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  •  Kerry Meetup tomorrow (none)
    be there!

    Ryan, Rauschenberger, Ditka, who's next?!

    by Obamarama on Wed Jul 21, 2004 at 03:46:16 PM PDT

  •  Brownback (none)
    We all know what Santorum is.

    So what is Brownback, exactly?

    I need to know before the GOP convention.

  •  Are tax credits a euphemism for corporate welfare? (none)
    Many of Kerry's seem to involve tax credits which I oppose on principle.  I could be confusing terms and policies though.
    •  on principle? (none)
      you oppose say day care tax credits?  or offering tax credits to small companies if they provide health coverage for employees?  What about tax credits to companies who meet increased environmental or workplace standards?  

      I don't think tax credits are an issue of 'principle' they are a tool that can be used for good or for evil, like any tool (and over used as well).

      "You should run for office like you're one vote behind and if you get there, you should act like you won by one vote." - Tony Knowles

      by Snuffleupagus on Wed Jul 21, 2004 at 05:18:06 PM PDT

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      •  I suppose your right. (none)
        Usually I see tax credits as often things that special interests push to gain an unfair advantage, like various agribusiness subsidies and tax credits on certain manufactured products that can't compete as well here.  The more selective use of them makes more sense, you persuaded me about that, I just hope Kerry has other proposals that would have the same effect as tax credits.
  •  Black Hole (none)
    Stephen Hawking is a flip flopper.

    Hed:  "Hawking Says He Was Wrong About Black Holes"

    •  Why Does Stephen Hawking Hate America? (none)
      Fox News Special Report

      Never pet a burning dog.

      by El Payo on Wed Jul 21, 2004 at 04:07:09 PM PDT

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    •  The Bush Paradox (none)
      Hawking's theoretical paradoxes don't hold a candle to Bush's:

      • Our war president is now a peace president.

      • He is destroying Iraq in order to save it.

      • He will preserve democracy by canceling the elections (after receiving "credible information" about "imminent threats," no doubt.)

      Oh, and let us not forget that the world is much safer now.
      •  Bush Regime Paradox (none)
        I know this is something akin to armchair coaching; but seems to me that the Dems really, really, really need a consistent theme or two... and PARADOX is a masterful and particularly apt label.

        To the above, add:
        no child left behind vs. no behind left
        healthy forest vs. no tree left standing,
        "uniter" vs. two americas,...

        Of course more than a consistent theme, the Dems need backbone; but they could start with a theme and maybe a backbone would eventually grow?

        "A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves."

        by skeptic tank on Wed Jul 21, 2004 at 05:16:10 PM PDT

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    •  I wonder about (none)
      the political leanings of this man, if any.
    •  oh no (none)
      if 'information' can 'leak out' of black holes, does that mean my boss's Guard records might come back? </karl rove>

      without love, a hearbeat is just a clock marking time

      by Madman in the marketplace on Wed Jul 21, 2004 at 04:57:56 PM PDT

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    •  I know I read somewhere (none)
      That Hawking proved that small black holes eventually get ripped apart.
      I know I read this years ago.
      •  More like they evaporate (none)
        I think they had to form in the Big Bang or thereabouts, and in the intervening 15 (?) billion years even the tiny amount of information leakage that goes on would reduce their mass to nothing.

        Not being any sort of physicist I get my information from the magazines, but that's the way I understood the story. I remember thinking at the time that this ruined a lot of perfectly good John Varley stories. :)

        Where are we going, and why am I in this handbasket?

        by Xan on Wed Jul 21, 2004 at 08:48:33 PM PDT

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  •  BE VERY AFRAID: Vernon Robinson -- NC 5th (none)
    Just to give everyone an idea of the GOP candidate who got the most votes in North Carolina's 5th Congressional District, visit Vernon Robinson's web site.

    Better yet, for a short primer on him, listen to these three radio ads. They will give you enough information to know why this man is so repulsive.

    "Congressional Jeopardy -- Topic: Homosexual Rights"

    "Jesse Helms is Back"

    The Twilight Zone -- The Aliens Are Here

    Box turtle Ellen
    Knows how to pleasure snappers
    All the girls love her

    by John Campanelli on Wed Jul 21, 2004 at 03:57:31 PM PDT

    •  his ads are great (none)
      from a production standpoint. where he goes wrong is the content... if a democratic candidate had that much ingenuity in his ads, i'd be floored.

      Ryan, Rauschenberger, Ditka, who's next?!

      by Obamarama on Wed Jul 21, 2004 at 04:03:25 PM PDT

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      •  Easier to attract attention with negative ads (none)
        We can create really sharp, powerful ads by relying on divisive issues. Look at how the red meat diaries and comments on Kos generate the most comments. Look at how smutty humor gets the easiest laughs. But to what degree does that help sell the agenda for a candidate other than defining the candidate by what he or she is not or will not do?

        Think of a really powerful positive ad. It'll take awhile.

        I could think of a half-dozen powerful ads off the top of my head that were negative but did little to advance a candidates positive agenda:

        1. LBJ's daisy ad
        2. Dukakis in a tank
        3. Willy Horton Ad
        4. Jesse Helm's White hands crumbling a pink slip ad
        5. Saxby Chambliss' juxtaposing Max Cleland with Osama and Saddam Hussein
        6. Bush's "Coalition of the Wild-Eyed"
        If it were easy to run on a positive agenda, do you think the GOP would be resort to such cheap drivel?

        Box turtle Ellen
        Knows how to pleasure snappers
        All the girls love her

        by John Campanelli on Wed Jul 21, 2004 at 04:42:15 PM PDT

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        •  but there are plenty of other examples (none)
          of positive advertising... look no further than our presumptive nominee. Those Vietnam ads with his war buddies won him all but two primaries.

          And all hypocrisy aside, Reagan's "Morning in America" ads were a brilliant way to put an optimistic spin on his dreadful administration.

          When you're asking me what ads stick with me, they're the positive, upbeat ones- if only because good ones are so few and far between. Negative ads are a dime a dozen.

          "Mr. Bush, if you had to pick one word to sum up your campaign, what would it be?" "Strategery."

          by Strategery on Wed Jul 21, 2004 at 05:01:37 PM PDT

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          •  I don't think we disagree, at least entirely (none)
            I was simply trying to point out that it's easier to create negative ads, especially ones that will catch the viewers attention. I think that a campaign that overall is positive can be very powerful and attractive. Look how far it took Edwards. But if you look at George Bush I's 1988 campaign, you will see how a negative campaign of negative ads can be just as powerful and yet leave a candidate with no agenda. Obamarama was commenting on the quality of Robinson's ads and I was simply saying that it's easier to create memorable ads when they are negative.

            While I remember the "Morning in America" ads, I still think it's far easier to remember negative ads  from history. And while you may be swayed by positive ads, unfortunately I don't think that's the case for most people.

            Box turtle Ellen
            Knows how to pleasure snappers
            All the girls love her

            by John Campanelli on Wed Jul 21, 2004 at 05:18:58 PM PDT

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            •  well, (none)
              it wouldn't be the first time I was called a stary-eyed optimist. Agreed, neg ads can create a lasting impression. My point was, at least in the Kerry & Edwards case, positive ads left more than an impression. They defined two candidates: war hero and progressivist (if that's a word).

              The Bush ads have given us flip-flopper, which doesn't mean much unless you can point to the issues where Kerry has "flip-flopped". And God knows, no voter can ever point to issues and votes. They're much more concerned with "who I'd rather have a beer with".

              So, I guess you're right... we're in agreement. Strange, I couldn't figure that out the first time.

              "Mr. Bush, if you had to pick one word to sum up your campaign, what would it be?" "Strategery."

              by Strategery on Thu Jul 22, 2004 at 01:53:34 PM PDT

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  •  jeez (none)
    sorry guys, but am i the only one who's still reeling from that terror in the skies thing? i mean i just can't get over how stupid it is. i can't believe these peoeple would puff this up so friggin much.

    News Corp: We can't have a liberal bias because we don't know what the f*** we're doing!

    by scottesposito on Wed Jul 21, 2004 at 04:00:20 PM PDT

    •  You're not alone (none)
      If I didn't say much, it was because my jaw was on the floor.

      Oh right. I pointed out that Bin Laden was a multimillionaire, and that future terrorist plans might be thwarted if we subjected multimillionaires to some extra-special scrutiny. What--are the Republicans with america, or with the terrorists?

      George Bush's body is marching on, but his truth lies a-mouldering in the grave.

      by AdmiralNaismith on Wed Jul 21, 2004 at 04:09:29 PM PDT

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  •  Who's got the best Convention TV coverage? (none)
    cnn, msnbc, comedy central, cspan?

    Facts are a therapy of limited usefulness in cases of advanced delusion. -Michael Kinsley

    by Swampfoot on Wed Jul 21, 2004 at 04:04:07 PM PDT

  •  A question... (none)
    A question I've been meaning to ask for a bit.  No person or group of people or movement is perfect.  We criticize (rightly so) the right for flawed ways of thinking and acting, of bad policy or stupid statements.  What do you think is the liberals' (as a group) greatest flaw?  (I mean, we definitely have them and it's important to recognize them in order to attempt to correct them...)

    My thought: in our sense of aghast disdain toward some of the folks and policies to the right, we've started to look at the world, at politics and at people in black and white terms.  They're either evil or they're great.  The policy is horrible or it's wonderful. This attitude is absolutely stupid or it's brilliant.  I see this as a Bad Thing, because by making things so dichotomized, we've over-simplified what are often very complex, verygrey issues/policies/statements/attitudes.   This is one of my big problems with the Bush administration, and I fear that we, on the left, are doing much of the same.

    •  I'd say the opposite (none)
      I would say that wishy-washiness and too much willingness to see the other side is certainly one of the weakest points of "liberals" (whatever that means) these days.  

      I sort of share that tendency to consider the gray areas.  I have trouble with multiple choice tests because I rarely think the right answer is available in a 3-word choice, let alone in one of the 3-word choices multiple choice tests offer you.  I don't ever want to find myself turning into a Bush-type who sees everything in black and white.  

      At the same time, sometimes you just have to go ahead and act like dark gray is black, and light gray is white.  Otherwise you just don't get anywhere.  Privately, to yourself and among friends, you can discuss those shades of gray--indeed, your sanity would be in question if you didn't know they were there--but publicly, when it comes to gaining ground for a better world, I think liberals often need to just go for it.  Quit being so squeamish about attacking people.

      But then, I wasn't raised a liberal.  I was raised well to the left of that, and while non-violence was an important value in my family, so was revolution.  And I was raised with simultaneous idealism (the ideal being some form of democratic socialism) and pragmatism (fight for what you can get, celebrate when you win something even if it's less than the ideal, and keep fighting).  So what I want to see is a left that has ideals way left of where the current public discourse is, and a willingness to fight for them.  

    •  Even the Center. (none)
      "My thought: in our sense of aghast disdain toward some of the folks and policies to the right"

      A bigger problem is disdain for people in the center.  You can only win in a Democratic society with a majority.  And you can't win over the people you disagree with by insulting them.  Insulting fringe exrtremists won't hurt you.  Insulting people who might otherwise vote with you, despite some differences, is just dumb politics.

      The other problem is the oversimplification of issues which can be a part of all politics.  Political activists tend to respond emotionally to issues.  They want to take action and make a difference.  And voters also like to have a simple message they can understand.  But effective policy making requires recognizing a level of complexity in issues that requires certain compromises.  Utopian solutions often don't work in the real world.

      Centrist policy wonks don't always make the best candidates.  But they're essential if you want government to actually work at all once you win an election.  To me, alot of the criticism around here for the DLC, for example indicates that alot of folks are simply out of touch with reality.  And it often has no rational policy argument backing it up.  

      •  are the republicans centerists? (none)
        seems like they have been successful with radical, far right strategies... on abortion, military spending, the Patriot Act, pre-emptive war, tax cuts primarily benefiting the richest 1%, unraveling environmental regulations and so on.  none of this is middle of the road, cautious stuff.  
  •  You'll never get on the plane if you're 'packing' (4.00)
    ... Kos.

    You'll miss the whole damn convention.

    Leave the "hardware" behind.

  •  Stocks tanking again (none)
    July has been a wretched, wretched month for the stock market.  Big drop almost every day.

    Does this mean the economy is totlly out of Bushcorp's control, or are they setting things up to "make big gains" (meaning go back to June levels) just in time for the election?

    George Bush's body is marching on, but his truth lies a-mouldering in the grave.

    by AdmiralNaismith on Wed Jul 21, 2004 at 04:12:09 PM PDT

    •  No one (none)
      controls the stock market.  They are just a collection of animals running on raw greed and fear.  You can attempt to manipulate it by appealing to these two primary drivers, but you can't control it.  This is out of Bush's hands.
    •  Market's in great shape....for 2005 (none)
      Looking at it long term, we're seeing a gradual pullback in 2004, after a big runnup in 2003.  It's basically consolidating for a good runnup in 2005.  The bear likely won't be back until around 2006-2007.  After which the market will have likely worked off it's excessive valuations and might be ready for another near 15 year long term bull.
  •  Jim Jeffords is (none)
    raising money for the Democrats in Boston. How interesting.

  •  Kabul Bounty Hunter accuses U.S. (none)
    Just saw a clip of this on the Lehrer NewsHour.
    When asked to comment on the U.S. Govt's distancing themselves from this case, Idema said that he would be willing and ready to show daily email and faxed contacts with high level officials at the Pentagon.  Apparently, Rumsfeld's name also came up in the questioning.

    •  Jesus, I hope not (none)
      I doubt Idema is telling the truth - the guy strikes me as a small-dicked Soldier of Fortune reader with delusions of grandeur.  He may well believe that he had ties with the DoD, but I'm guessing that they're entirely hallucinatory.  My picture of him is influenced by a guy I work with who knew him in high school-even then he was telling stories.

      But Christ, if he was working for DoD - or was even working "with" them - you really gotta wonder how low the threshold is to become a halfway successful merc.

  •  Hey Markos - (none)
    Are there any plans for a Boston area dKos beer & pretzels meetup (the former because beer is good, the latter in 'honor' of the incumbent)?

    Seriously, I'm good for buying a round for all the Kossaks who want to do it.

    To announce that there must be no criticism of the President is unpatriotic and servile - Theodore Roosevelt

    by Dr Dive on Wed Jul 21, 2004 at 04:31:23 PM PDT

  •  Kos, it's really hot here (none)
    Bring your swimsuit and we can all go swimming out at Walden Pond over the weekend! :-D

    But seriously - it's supposed to be totally crazy weather.  Maybe that's why it's taking you so long to pack...

  •  Anyone have any poll numbers, (none)
    especially those of swing states, to report?
  •  When Will Girlie Men Pass Budget? (none)
    Interesting diary entry from Pacific John -

    Apprently the Democrats in the Califrnia Senate cane just 3 votes short of the 2/3 needed to pass a budget.  And apprently it's a budget which the Governor has agreed to.  

    So who are the girlie men holding it up?  The 11 who voted against it? The 5 who didn't vote?  Breaking news...

    •  need typing practice. (none)
      obviously, Apprently= Apparently (both times), and Califrnia = California.
    •  who held up the budget vote (none)
      The Republicans held it up - the same bunch who sliced the brake line on the last budget deal, bringing up these two laws about "sue your boss" and privatizing school buses, which have nothing whatsoever to do with passing a budget, just more California Rethuglican bullshit.

      Der Gropenator was out defending the special interests who he represents by attacking the Democrats for having special interests, and couldn't be bothered to try and twist arms on a couple of his boys.

      More typical California politics - the Repubes out trying to convince everyone they haven't had their heads up their asses for the past year.

      William Goldman was right when he said the three rules of Hollywierd are "1) Nobody, 2) knows, 3) anything." Works in the real world, too.

      by HollywierdLiberal on Wed Jul 21, 2004 at 11:49:54 PM PDT

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  •  Senator Seabiscuit? (none)
    Is that what Miles is calling himself in the blog ads? Is that supposed to be like the horse in that boring Tobey Maguire movie?
    •  we've got a (none)
      street (well, a lane) and several stores and drinking establishments named after seabiscuit in my town (as well as at least one bronze statue out by the track).  poor horse actually was something, before the movie came out...
    •  hardly a boring movie (none)
      "Seabiscuit" and "Master and Commander" were the only two products of the local swamp last year that I took the time to go see in a theater and actually recommended to friends as being worth the cost of the raw film stock.

      And I've even watched Seabiscuit twice this year on DVD - it was a good metaphor for what I hoped would happen to the Democrats, in fact if you look at it, it is written as a political metaphor for our side.

      William Goldman was right when he said the three rules of Hollywierd are "1) Nobody, 2) knows, 3) anything." Works in the real world, too.

      by HollywierdLiberal on Wed Jul 21, 2004 at 11:53:21 PM PDT

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  •  Rove revealed (none)
    I don't know if it's already been discussed somewhere but I have a theory on why Bush is threatening that al Quaida may attack on Election Day. Most rural voters do not see themselves as being as personally vulnerable to an act of terrorism the way urban voters might. These rural voters, who would be unaffected by such dire threats, would go to the polls and vote GOP. The voters who could be scared away from the polls with these warnings are those voters in urban areas where the majority of votes favor Democrats. This is one of the most sinister, blatant campaigns of suppressing turnout I have ever seen. Frankly, why would al Quaida seek to influence the election in favor of Kerry? An attack would probably help Bush by allowing him to cancel the elections while the public rallies behind the flag and the Jack Palance meets Ronald Reagan impression that we hate to admit is our Commander in Chief.
    •  That seems a little too devious, even for Bush. (none)
      •  Let me clarify my position (none)
        I hope you understand I'm not actually suggesting they will create an attack or let one occur if they are warned about it. I just think that the conventional wisdom that an attack would help Bush because it supposedly did in Spain is complete bullshit. Aznar lied about who attacked them and the truth got out. Perhaps Bush has reason to fear the wrath of voters, but not for the reason he and the SCLM suggest.
      •  Never Under Estimate Karl Rove! (none)
        There is absolutely no such thing as too devious for Karl Rove... and don't be fooled: Bush is the puppet; Rove is the guy pulling the strings.  

        If in doubt, just watch the puppet when he learns of the second plane hitting the WTC in Fahrenheit 9/11.

        "A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves."

        by skeptic tank on Wed Jul 21, 2004 at 05:42:00 PM PDT

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  •  Air America (none)
    Is anyone else streaming it right now and having problems?  My feed has cut out like eight times in the past 10 minutes.  I can get it right back but it's annoying.
  •  Hoeffel Statement on his Protest Arrest (none)

    We should send him some of our love for this act of courage.


    by Delaware Dem on Wed Jul 21, 2004 at 05:06:59 PM PDT

    •  Set up a page on ActBlue (none)
      Man, I'm getting shameless with these plugs, but what the hell...

      If you want people to send some turkee his way, set up a page on ActBlue just like we did for Ginny Schrader.

      You can write the text to specifically highlight his protest, e-mail your friends and associates, post a diary, and get reports on how much you've raised.  Then you can post a diary with updates your progress.

      Shoot me an e-mail if you have questions.

  •  Get Your Head Out of Your Mashed Potatoes (none)
    From the AP:

    Linda Ronstadt said she'll continue to praise Michael Moore and his film "Fahrenheit 9/11" on stage despite an angry reaction at a Las Vegas concert. "This is an election year," she told the Los Angeles Times Tuesday. "I want people to get their head up out of their mashed potatoes and learn something about the issues and go and vote. ... I'm not telling them how to vote. I'm saying, get information about the issues."

    Don't understand NY politics? Try The Nor'Easter

    by jd in nyc on Wed Jul 21, 2004 at 05:09:43 PM PDT

  •  Aladdin Press Release Announcing Ronstadt (none)
    They loved her in May, but now they hate her.

    Patridiot Watch
    The best blog ever written by Poppy McCool.

    by poppymccool on Wed Jul 21, 2004 at 05:22:53 PM PDT

  •  Gotta order one of these (4.00)

    I'm thinking of getting some.  It would be nice to put them in every rest-stop urinal between Florida and Arizona.

    This post is just a preview. Get the full effect at

    by TrentL on Wed Jul 21, 2004 at 05:22:57 PM PDT

  •  a journey through the land of the wingnuts (none)
    over at the Village Voice:

    The Church of Bush by Rick Perlstein

    Here are some things that Christopher Nunneley, a conservative activist in Birmingham, Alabama, believes. That some time in June, apparently unnoticed by the world media, George Bush negotiated an end to the civil war in Sudan. That Bill Clinton is "lazy" and Teresa Heinz Kerry is an "African colonialist." That "we don't do torture," and that the School of the Americas manuals showing we do were "just ancient U.S. disinformation designed to make the Soviets think that we didn't know how to do real interrogations."

    Chris Nunneley also believes something crazy: that George W. Bush is a nice guy.

    It an interesting read about meeting people who otherwise seem like nice people. All of us here probably know people just like them.

    So what does a conservative say when such "nice guy" jazz is challenged? Say, when you ask whether a nice guy would invade a country at the cost of untold innocent lives on the shakiest of pretenses? Or, closer to home, whether he would (as Bush did in late 2000) go on a fishing trip while his daughter was undergoing surgery, and use the world's media to mockingly order her to clean her room while he was away? Doesn't signify with Chris. "If you're in one camp, the idea of being firm, 'tough love,' is very popular. If you're in another, you can say, 'Well, that's just mean!' On my side, well, I like the whole idea of 'tough love.' "

    This is a journey among the "tough love" camp. The people who, even in the face of evidence of his casual cruelty, of his habitual and unchristian contempt for weakness, love George Bush unconditionally: love him when he is tender, love him when he is tough—but who never, ever are tough on him.

    This is of course, one of the frustrating thing about the current political climate; the other side won't even listen. We might as well be speaking another language.

    Like many here though, I'm seeing anecdotal signs of hope. A coworker of mine has, for months, responded to my tentative attempts to try to show her the damage Bush was doing by declaring "I'm a Bush person!!"

    Today, she told me that she was looking again at Kerry. An elderly aunt had visited over the weekend, and spent both days tearing Bush apart, and speaking highly of Kerry & Edwards. She comes from a Michigan/Wisconsin 'Reagan Democrat' family, but having one of her own tell her much of what I'd been saying was able to turn her around in one weekend.

    I hope this is a trend observed throughout the country.

    without love, a hearbeat is just a clock marking time

    by Madman in the marketplace on Wed Jul 21, 2004 at 05:26:53 PM PDT

  •  Another instance of huge underestimation of costs. (none)
    It seems to be a pattern - once again the GAO has said that the Bush administration greatly underestimated the cost of their policies.  In this instance, they report that the Iraq war will cost 12.3 billion dollars more in FY'04 than the Bush administration said that it would.

    MSNBC has the story here

    Certainly the Bush administration is incompetent on many, many levels...but this habitual underestimation of the costs, selling their policies as cheaper than it will actually cost the US public borders on criminal.  It's a damned or damnder (new word!) situation - either they're perpetually incompetent in an absolutely vital aspect of policy proposals or they're deliberately misleading congress and the US public.  Or both.  I'm leaning toward both.

  •  Silva! (none)
    How'd he miss that?
    •  election night parties! (none)
      just wanted to see what the general consensus was for the idea of having a house parties around the country on election night for us to celebrate the election of kerry and also for our
      favorite senate/ house candidates. i cant host myself as i rent but would donate time and resources if enough ppl thought it was a good idea. i live in philly and would love to hang with other like minded ppl looking to end the evil that is the bush administration. :)  
  •  Ronstadt Invited Back To Aladin by new Owners (none)
    It appears that Planet Hollywood is buying the Aladdin and that they have issued an invitation to Linda Ronstadt to appear, and to have Michael Moore introduce her.

    This may be one of the shortest boycotts in history!

    Patridiot Watch
    The best blog ever written by Poppy McCool.

    by poppymccool on Wed Jul 21, 2004 at 06:31:24 PM PDT

  •  BIll O'Reilly says --"Shut Up!" (none)
    Again and again and again (flash animation)

    Will James R. Bath reveal the secret behind George Bush's National Guard Service before it's too late?

    by pontificator on Wed Jul 21, 2004 at 07:32:53 PM PDT

  •  classic (none)
    'I hereby find that the furnishing of defense articles and services to Iraq will strengthen the security of the United States and promote world peace'

    That's our beloved leader in a memo to the state department which
    okays the sale of weapons to Iraq.

    Um, does this make sense?

  •  How can we offset the repub disinformation machine (none)
    I am as sick as anyone, hearing the syncronised lying of the rethugs. Like with Berger, suddenly they all pop up with the same lies and innuendo. At least on this list, I think it would be helpful to post the addys of the misinfos, and where they said their lies, so that we can respond en mass, to show our strength. And cross post on other blogs. We have to stop any lie, no matter how small or where. We have to respond in strength. We have to stand up and say we are not going to let the lies go unchallenged. And, like the rethugs, we need a common meme to respond with- not as hysterical, but tight and focused, and laced with threats of economic boycott. Some of my faves are: "there you go again, lying like a sandbox bully", "been into Rush's stash again?", "you should make syncro'd lying an Olympic event, you do it so well!", "can't you make a case for yourself without name calling and half truths?". Of course none of these address the facts, but they are all good introductions that call out the liars. We have no mouthpieces, so we have to make our own, to counter Faux, WP, WSJ, and all of the sock puppet reporters out there. And we need to make out own messages of distraction: certainly not like the Berger herring, but distractions from the Rethug propaganda that keep focused on the truth. We can post here all we want, but this is preaching to the choir, and it may help some. But what if all  kossacks jumped on every lie? that could turn into the slashdot effect- overwhelming the servers, fax machines, phone lines, mailboxes, etc. This is how the neocons got into power, people- let's take a page from their playbook and use it against them,  only many times stranger.
  •  Want Bigger Breasts? Join the Army... (none)
    The U.S. Army has long lured recruits with the slogan "Be All You Can Be," but now soldiers and their families can receive plastic surgery, including breast enlargements, on the taxpayers' dime.

    The New Yorker magazine reports in its July 26th edition that members of all four branches of the U.S. military can get face-lifts, breast enlargements, liposuction and nose jobs for free -- something the military says helps surgeons practice their skills.

    "Anyone wearing a uniform is eligible," Dr. Bob Lyons, chief of plastic surgery at Brooke Army Medical Center in San Antonio told the magazine, which said soldiers needed the approval of their commanding officers to get the time off.

    Between 2000 and 2003, military doctors performed 496 breast enlargements and 1,361 liposuction surgeries on soldiers and their dependents, the magazine said.

    The magazine quoted an Army spokeswoman as saying, "the surgeons have to have someone to practice on."

    Man did not weave the web of life, he is merely a strand in it. Whatever he does to the web, he does to himself. -- Chief Seattle

    by jillian on Thu Jul 22, 2004 at 12:53:54 PM PDT

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