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I have just been given some inside information that I find truly unbelievable.  At this point, I am not sure what to believe.  I am not sure if the information is credible.  And I have questions about the sources.

I have searched the online news for any indication that this story is true.   I have checked the Star Ledger, NJ.com, the Philly Daily News, the Philly Inquirer, Google, AP, CNN, WaPo. NYTimes, and hell...even Drudge.

There is nothing.  

But I think I will alert the Kos community to the information I have.  

According to my source, Democratic Governor James McGreevey of New Jersey will be resigning at 4 pm today due to new allegations concerning a homosexual or bisexual relationship with a former aide that led somehow to a sexual harrassment lawsuit, which was filed today.  There is apparently mass hysteria going on behind the scenes.  

Originally posted to Delaware Dem on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 12:10 PM PDT.

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  •  aoeu (none)
    You are the second person to claim something like this, the other diary was deleted (and said he was caught in sex with a man)

    If Dick had his way
    Mandela would still be jailed.
    Do you support Dick?

    by TealVeal on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 04:13:09 PM PDT

  •  More to the story.... (none)
    I just got more information.

    Apparently, McGreevey is gay.  He has been having relationships with a certain gay man.  This gay man filed a civil complaint today alleging sexual assault and rape.  

    McGreevey will resign at 4 pm and the President of the Senate of New Jersey will take over.  

    Senator Corzine will mostly likely run in 2005 for the governorship.  

    And, the story is now on Drudge.

    STRENGTH AND WISDOM ARE NOT OPPOSING VALUES

    by Delaware Dem on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 04:13:25 PM PDT

    •  WOW (none)
      it's all I can say right now

      Today vote Kerry and we'll send an awful President out of the White House. Then wait for 2012 and we'll get a good one.

      by FrenchSocialist on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 04:15:04 PM PDT

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    •  just a quick generic note (none)
      to add...I have nothing to say about this particular matter--but when someone who is married or in a relationship with someone of the opposite sex is then found to also have had or be having sex with someone of the same sex, it's not necessarily the case that the person is gay. It's also possible (and probably pretty likely) that the person is bisexual. Would just like to add that.

      I'm happy with my $20 of influence

      by JMS on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 04:19:28 PM PDT

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      •  True... (none)
        that is a good point.  At the very least, he is in a sexual relationship with another man.  

        STRENGTH AND WISDOM ARE NOT OPPOSING VALUES

        by Delaware Dem on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 04:21:02 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  not to worry... (none)
          it's just a matter of precision...but lots of people who are both straight AND gay tend to make assumptions like that. It's a little nuanced, but it's the difference between looking at something as a "sham" marriage to cover up one spouse being gay vs. a real marriage where adultery occurred.

          I'm happy with my $20 of influence

          by JMS on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 04:25:37 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  Yeah but (none)
        Somehow, that nuance is lost on the general public.

        That was a _big_ mistake, Bart. No children have ever meddled with the Republican Party and lived to tell about it. - R. Terwilliger

        by MrSnrub on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 04:22:53 PM PDT

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  •  it is being reporterd at freeperland (none)
    link who claim it's reported from NBC (channel 4) NY.

    "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

    by Greg Dworkin on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 04:13:33 PM PDT

  •  Somebody already (none)
    posted this rumor half an hour ago, and got insulted and troll-rated.
    If it is true, and it seems it is, I hope some people will give him an apology.

    Accusations of RAPE? A Governor? God, what's going on with this man!
    WHat does this imply? Is it dangerous for Kerry in NJ?

    Today vote Kerry and we'll send an awful President out of the White House. Then wait for 2012 and we'll get a good one.

    by FrenchSocialist on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 04:13:54 PM PDT

  •  Some guy wrote a diary below (none)
    saying that he was found in bed with another man. And then it was erased.
  •  *gasp* (none)
    OMFG

    In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for. As for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican. -HL Mencken

    by sq1 on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 04:15:31 PM PDT

  •  Wow (none)
    and I thought the other guy was a troll.  My bad.

    Who would become Governor if McGreevey resigned?  And what would this do to the national race, would it put NJ in play?

    I just hope that this is not true.

  •  Doing Drudge's job for him??? (none)
    And there are so many stories floating around about the reason, if any, that its not even worth speculating.

    Memo to all Democratic campaigns: We already know about the problems. Where are the creative solutions? (Extra credit if it fits into a sound bite!)

    by Matty NYC on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 04:15:59 PM PDT

    •  Found this out before Drudge. (none)
      I had this diary typed up for two hours.  I first heard about this at 1 pm.  I searched everywhere for confirmation.  

      My source is reliable, but there were questions as to the story since it seemed so unbelievable.

      STRENGTH AND WISDOM ARE NOT OPPOSING VALUES

      by Delaware Dem on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 04:22:37 PM PDT

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  •  How much will this hurt Democrats in NJ? (none)
    Will the state go to Bush now? Will Democrats lose the legislature and the governor's office in 2005? What about Democrats in Congressional seats? Holt?

    The worst part, aside from the allegations, is that this will be used by the national media to demonize gays, to trash them for political gain, and to make the Democratic Party look like perverts and criminals. It also reinforces the idea that if you're gay, then you must be sick and twisted. And it reinforces that if you push for gay rights, like McGreevey did, you must be a pervert and have dark secrets.

    I think I'm going to go vomit.

    •  What does. . . (none)
      the post have to do with being gay, or gays?

      Bush and his Dad as playing Oedipal Loop-De-Loop. (M. Dowd)

      by Lords on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 04:24:20 PM PDT

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    •  Calm Down (none)
      It will maybe help Bush, but ti won't "give the state to Bush". This incident won't cause the moon to fall on earth or anything so dramatic.
      It is sad to see, yes; but let's not dramatize it too much. We don't even know the details for now. This could just be a Drudge rumor.

      Today vote Kerry and we'll send an awful President out of the White House. Then wait for 2012 and we'll get a good one.

      by FrenchSocialist on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 04:24:59 PM PDT

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    •  have no fear (none)
      McGreevey approval ratings were already pretty low. It should make no difference.

      Breathe.

    •  This is going to be major (none)
      I think this has the possibility to send NJ to the red side. The national media will jump on this too (they love sex scandals, but they will LOVE a gay sex scandal, espically with gay marriage on the agenda), and the Rethug pundits are going to have a feild day.

      Geez.

      Article Online. Unfair and Unbalanced since 2002.

      by Stone on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 04:25:34 PM PDT

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      •  So you think NJ will support Bush now? (none)
        I think they will as well. And NJ just started domestic partner benefits, which was pushed by McGreevey.

        The worst part is that as you said, this will tie into the same-sex marriage furor the media and the GOP have been pushing and pushing and pushing. This will cause such an ugly backlash in NJ against gays and lesbians. A DOMA, or an anti-gay amendment, who knows.

        I can't believe that we're so likely to lose NJ now. All thanks to this. I'm so tired of the media and their gay-bashing. Once again everyone in every state will believe that if you are a Democrat and you support gays, then you're sick and twisted and evil and must be purged. This will cause the GOP to have more success with their anti-gay platforms and probably cause the Dems to become more anti-gay as well. It's awful, because NJ is such a tolerant state, mostly. Now they will be bigots and homophobes and the media will encourage them all the way.

        •  No (none)
          Bush will not win New Jersey.  Not because of this.

          Give to the Daily KOS 8!

          by Aaron Gillies on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 04:31:50 PM PDT

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        •  Turn the Volume Down Pardner (none)
          No one knows what this might mean.

          Relax dude. The Gov's numbers were in the toilet anyway. This might be a blessing in disguise.

          Wait for the press conference at 4.

          I listen to wingnut radio so you don't have to!

          by Sharon on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 04:34:17 PM PDT

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        •  Not Happening (none)
          I think you're over reacting.  NJ is a pretty safe blue state, and McGreevey is pretty hated there already.

          If he does step down the Democratic party may just jettison him as quickly as possibly in favor of Codey.

          I'd worry slightly more if McGreevey looked likely to cling to the office for months, but that's looking unlikely (and even then, I might worry about the governorship, but not the presidential race).

          But I think the speculation is all a bit premature at the moment, lets wait for the 4pm press conference (CNN is carrying it live, and a few others probably will too) and get the full reason behind the lawsuit and how McGreevey is going to play it.  The NJ Dems are obviously working on this so I'd expect that we're going to see a moderately organized response to whatever is going down, they're not just going to sit there and watch the republicans walk over them.

          The lever is easy, it's finding a place to stand that's the hard bit.

          by Nick on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 04:44:52 PM PDT

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      •  No way NJ is going red... (none)
        Gore won 56%-40% with 3% for Nader, and recent polls (except for some outliers from Fairleigh Dickinson University [sp.?], which I believe historically has not been entirely reliable)  haven't been all that much better for Bush.  There's no reason why a personal scandal involving a Democratic governor should make that many Gore Democrats vote for Bush, given how most Gore Democrats-- especially Northeastern Gore Democrats-- feel about Bush these days.
      •  I think that you're over reacting (none)
        This is just NJ's Jack Ryan moment, without the weak party structure element.  In New Jersey, Democratic party and Democrats in general will be fine.  What will the people do, turn the state over to the fundys in the NJ GOP.  I don't think so.  

        "Reality" is the only word in the English language that should always be used in quotes.

        by LionelEHutz on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 04:33:25 PM PDT

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        •  A fundie only lost in 2001 by (none)
          about 300,000 votes out of 2,300,000 votes cast. Running on a platform of "morality", it could happen in 2005.

          I just hate to see what the national media and the GOP are going to do. They eat this stuff up. Not only is this involving gays, but it involves sexual harrassment, which of course implies that all gays must be involved in sordid and unethical activity, blah blah blah.

      •  no I don't think so either... (none)
        NJ politics is rough and full of scandal. NJersyites have thick skins, and they aren't exactly a bunch of bible thumping rubes. Remember, this state just enacted a domestic partnership law with minimal fuss (seems almost ironic now, doesn't it). While they may be disgusted with McGreevey personally, it's not going to send people to Bush.

        I'm happy with my $20 of influence

        by JMS on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 04:34:39 PM PDT

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      •  Its not going to be such a blow to Dems (none)
        but it will certainly be a blow to Gay Marriage Rights and Activists.  The FMA crowd is going to flag this as the classic "threat to marriage":

        "See, we told you gays were a threat to our marriages".....

        I expect we'll be hearing a lot of that and GLBT rights folks had better be prepared.

        I'd say this injects new life into FMA.

        "Consult the genius of the place in all things" - Alexander Pope

        by a gilas girl on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 04:40:34 PM PDT

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        •  Well I'm most worried about (none)
          NJ getting a DOMA, or NJ's domestic partnership law being repealed. Do you think that will happen?

          The FMA is already a major issue and will be voted on in the House in September. I think this will be a factor in media coverage, but more in terms of the media telling everyone that all Democrats are closet homosexuals, and forcing Democrats to gay-bash for political survival. Since McGreevey is married, they really tie the FMA to him, because married men or women have gay affairs regardless of whether or not same-sex marriage is banned. But they will certainly use this as an example of Democrats having no morality.

          This is coming at an awful time. This is the ultimate weapon for the GOP leading into their convention. Not to mention for the struggling NJ GOP.

          •  A Counter To That Meme (none)
            Personal policies aren't party policies.  If Jack Ryan didn't sink the entire Illinois GOP (and he didn't, just that particular race) McGreevey's not going to sink the NJ Dems.

            Or is that just wishful thinking?

            •  In some ways, he did sink them. (none)
              But the real story I'm thinking of is how Paul Patton gutted the Dem Party in Kentucky. I know that NJ is not KY (although McGreevey may not know that), but this is the kind of sleaze story that has legs and is fodder for every ugly smear the media and Republicans use against Democrats and gays.
          •  No (none)
            existing laws aren't going to be in danger, there will be no repeal of domestic partnership laws.

            Most likely the rabid fundies will grab this incident and we will hear about it for a while, they'll incorporate it into their talking points and various GLBT activist groups are going to need to be prepared for that, as they will have to be countered. It will give some FMA advocates a little more fuel for their rabid fires, but it isn't going to turn the tide on anything, just put it in the spotlight more often and through a different angle.

            "Consult the genius of the place in all things" - Alexander Pope

            by a gilas girl on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 05:09:24 PM PDT

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        •  I guess so, in the (none)
          sense that such people are so threatened by the existence of gays or same sex relations in all forms (and perhaps of their own secret desires)--but for rational people one has nothing to do with the other. IF any of the various rumors are true, then McGreevey put his own marriage in jeopardy, period--doesn't matter whether he did it with a box turtle. Which has nothing to do with whether other people want to get married. But somehow I don't even see it really changing the debate much. McGreevey isn't identified as "gay" at this point.

          But as a general point, unzipped zippers are such a distraction in politics. I wish people would stop giving in to the temptation, knowing what they know about what our society expects from politicians.

          I'm happy with my $20 of influence

          by JMS on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 04:49:06 PM PDT

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        •  Threat to marriage? (none)
          Seriously, I think this is the most ridiculous argument the fundies ever came up with. Anyone who espouses it should be immediately challenged with variants of "What, do you have so little faith in your wife/husband that you're afraid she/he will abandon your marriage and run off with another woman/man?"

          I'm not gay or bi. My wife's not gay or bi. So I don't worry a lot about my wife running off with another woman. Of course, I don't spend any time worrying about her running off with another man, either. That's what that whole commitment part of marriage hinges on, after all -- better or worse, sickness and health, richer or porrer, til death do us part.

          Unless, of course, we're Newt Gingrich and we divorce our spouses while they're on their sickbeds so we can legitimize our adultery.

          My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right. Sen Carl Schurz

          by Bill Rehm on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 05:25:30 PM PDT

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    •  Nah (none)
      James, don't get sick about this.

      New Jersey politics is extremely dirty business.  We are talking extremely dirty business.  New Jersey voters are used to it and won't use anything they learn about McGreevey as prejudice against other Democrats.

      Case in point:

      The mayor of my town, Jersey City, recently passed away unexpectedly.  The deputy mayor, acting apparently under instructions from our Congressman, Bob Menendez, who runs the Hudson County Democratic political machine, fired just about everyone he could get his hands on in city government, without cause or notice.  The reason was that the former mayor, Cunningham, had been trying to create an alternative Democratic party infrastructure in the county, and anyone who served with him was considered "tainted."

      No one is even sure whether or not this guy had the authority to fire them.  Bob since the order came down from Godfather Menendez, the dead was done and not questions (not even really in the press).

      And I don't even think they were fired.  They were intimidated into resigning.

      I don't know.  I thought that dismantling the city administration in a town of 250,000 people was a pretty big deal.

      Still, this kind of crapola happens all the time out here and it doesn't seem to steer Democrats into the Republican camp in too large of numbers.  Maybe someone else has a better perspective.

      As far as McGreevey's private life is concerned ...  No clue.  This has been rumored for the entire two years he has been in office.  If he is really being charged with the crimes suggested, I'm horrified.

      Give to the Daily KOS 8!

      by Aaron Gillies on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 04:25:53 PM PDT

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    •  The Congressional seats should be safe... (none)
      because of the incumbent-protecting nature of the 2000 redistricting.  Even Rush Holt, elected in a relatively close race in 1998 and reelected in 2000 by a few hundred votes, now has a district in which Bush only got 40% in 2000, and he was reelected 61%-37% in 2002.

      As for the legislature and the governor's office, I'm less sure about those, but I think an absent McGreevey is actually less likely to hurt than if he had run for reelection.  McGreevey doesn't have that much charisma-- he's kind of Gray-Davis-ish-- and I believe his popularity was low even before whatever this scandal or rumor is.  A ticket with Corzine at the top will probably do better.  And then Corzine can appoint his own replacement, a la Frank and Lisa Murkowski in Alaska, though I don't think Corzine's going to pick a relative.

    •  It won't be bad (none)
      The state is safe in the Kerry column. About 4 polls have come out in recent weeks that show Kerry leading from 9-20 points.

      The State Senate doesn't come up for election until 2007 and the governor's race was probably more vulnerable w/ McGreevey on the ballot. Whoever is replacement is as the nominee will probably have a better chance.

      Rush Holt is very safe and Democrats have a lock on their 7 seats.

    •  The scandal is connected to McGreevey's past (none)
      problems with illegal or suspicious contributions somehow.  However, that contributions story has not been hurting Kerry.  Kerry's polls have gone up in the last few weeks in New Jersey.

      Therefore if the scandal is completely contained to McGreevey, who has resigned, the party will not be hurt that much.  

      Remember, Bill Clinton's scandals never hurt the party all that seriously.  Indeed, we won seats in 1998.  

      STRENGTH AND WISDOM ARE NOT OPPOSING VALUES

      by Delaware Dem on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 04:30:23 PM PDT

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    •  From the PoliticsNJ site: (none)
      http://www.politicsnj.com/
      (from one of the sidebars)

      For those who are wondering just how big a "blue state" New Jersey has become, consider this: only New Jersey and West Virginia have a Democratic Governor, two Democratic United States Senators, more Democrats than Republicans in the congressional delegation, and Democratic majorities in both houses of the legislature.  But while West Virginia supported George W. Bush in the 2000 presidential election, New Jersey voted for Al Gore -- by sixteen percentage points.

      From the Rasmussen Report, August 6:

      New Jersey: Kerry 51% Bush 38%

      So NJ prefers Kerry by a big margin. Don't panic.

      "Right here, right now, watching the world wake up from history" - Jesus Jones

      by AlanF on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 05:08:04 PM PDT

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  •  link (none)
    www.njn.net
    www.politicsnj.com
  •  Golan Cipel (none)
    http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/wabc_081204_golan.html

    There were rumors a few years ago because McGreevey was seen w/Cipel when Cipel was looking for an apartment. All kinds of talk that Cipel had only been hired because of his looks, and because of a sexual relationship.

    This will drag out so many ugly and unfair stereotypes about gays, and about Democrats. This is a GOP fantasy come true.

    I hope we didn't wind up losing NJ for Kerry just now.

    The media loves nothing more than gay-bashing. This is going to be gigantic. And a wet dream come true for the NJ GOP and their gay-bashing brigades.

    •  Hear me. (none)
      Everyone around here must know by now that the Kerry campaign concerns me from time to time.

      That being said, one thing i know for sure, Bush ain't carrying NY or NJ, no matter what. Take it to the bank.

      Bush and his Dad as playing Oedipal Loop-De-Loop. (M. Dowd)

      by Lords on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 04:33:03 PM PDT

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  •  This is good news (for Democrats) (none)
    McGreevey was the worst Democratic governor in the Union next to Gray Davis. His approval ratings are in the low 30's, if you can believe that.

    I'm pretty sure the party pressured him to step down, so Democrats can put up a candidate who has a chance to win the seat next year.

    Militant Agnostic. I don't know and neither do you.

    by cioxx on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 04:26:02 PM PDT

    •  The party may have pressured him to step down (none)
      but it doesn't seem to be the reason he is resigning. Sexual harassement... the party has nothing to do with the suit.

      Today vote Kerry and we'll send an awful President out of the White House. Then wait for 2012 and we'll get a good one.

      by FrenchSocialist on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 04:31:59 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Actually (none)
      A poll came out today with his approval in the 40s.  And in terms of policy, he has done many good things.  But I've heard the rumors of his personal life for a while now.

      Kerry-Edwards '04

      by Paleo on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 04:37:32 PM PDT

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      •  Link to the poll? (n/t) (none)
        .

        Militant Agnostic. I don't know and neither do you.

        by cioxx on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 04:50:00 PM PDT

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        •  Star-Ledger/Eagleton poll (none)
          "Gov. James E. McGreevey continues to struggle for voter approval as New Jerseyans grow increasingly concerned with political corruption and identify him with the problem, according to a new Star-Ledger/Eagleton-Rutgers poll.

          Forty-three percent of the registered voters surveyed approve of the job the Democrat is doing while 44 percent disapprove. The remainder are undecided, the poll shows. That marks an improvement since McGreevey's low point in January, when 37 percent approved of his job performance and 49 percent disapproved."

          Kerry-Edwards '04

          by Paleo on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 06:23:28 PM PDT

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  •  press conference 4 pm (none)
    announced on CNN;likely on CNN and elsewhere

    "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

    by Greg Dworkin on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 04:26:48 PM PDT

  •  OK, its true. He is resigning. (none)
    Don't bother to respond to my questions about being gay.
    Got the picture.

    Bush and his Dad as playing Oedipal Loop-De-Loop. (M. Dowd)

    by Lords on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 04:28:08 PM PDT

  •  For the panic-mongers (4.00)
    Notice what happened in California when Gray Davis collapsed (though for utterly different reasons): a Republican became governor, and Kerry leads Bush by double-digits.

    State politics and federal politics are not always seen as the same in the minds of many voters.

    I would be shocked if this impacted the prez race.

    "you may say I'm a dreamer - but I'm not the only one" - Lennon

    by eugene on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 04:30:08 PM PDT

    •  It will be used as a bludgeon against (none)
      Kerry and the whole party, because of the gay issue. The media hears "gay" and they froth at the mouth. This ties into same-sex marriage (since he pushed for domestic partner benefits) and into the meme that Democrats have no morals and have some kind of dirty sexual secrets.

      I'm just glad that the state legislature isn't up for 3 more years. Hopefully it will all be over with by then.

      •  I doubt that (none)
        The only voters who would be influenced by that are already voting Republican. And as others have noted, McGreevey wasn't exactly a popular governor. They already use the gay issue as a bludgeon against the Democrats and we're still up in the polls.

        "you may say I'm a dreamer - but I'm not the only one" - Lennon

        by eugene on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 04:37:56 PM PDT

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      •  The state assembly is up in 2005 (none)
        The State Senate is up in 2007.
        •  Do you think this will hurt those races? (none)
          •  Not really (none)
            First of all, the seats are so gerrymandered that Republicans would have to really go amazingly well to win back control (Dems now lead 47-33). Second of all, the state GOP and the Dems have millions so the Democrats outsend Republicans so much that the GOP can't win races. Thirdly, one poll showed a majority of New Jerseyans support gay marriage and another showed a plurality. NJ is a very tolerant state and a gay governor isn't going to destroy the Democratic party.
    •  Exactly (none)
      Especially in these circumstances when 2003 elections showed that NJ voters support the policies of state Democrats. Their dislike of McGreevey didn't affect other races there and it is very unlikley it will afffect any races for federal office.
  •  doesn't change a thing (none)
    New Jersey doesn't have a governors race this yr.Did Texas change from red to blue when their governor was caught with another guy.Lighten up James.

    WE LOST, GET OVER IT

    by ctkeith on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 04:34:31 PM PDT

    •  That was only a rumor. (none)
      There were no public revelations, no press conferences, no resignations. It's not the same thing.
      •  What country do you live in (none)
        I'll bet 85% of Texans still believe he has a boyfreind.

        WE LOST, GET OVER IT

        by ctkeith on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 04:39:21 PM PDT

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      •  I'm Sick Of James b3's (none)
        constant defeatist posting about how every Republican talking point is going to slaughter the Democrats.

        He and a number of other posters are quick to spread despair about the effectiveness of Republican smears -- and even quicker to soft-pedal Democratic attack points. I wish there was a way to filter posts by name.

        On topic, hello? Remember how Robert Torricelli left the Senate race? Did that destroy the Democratic party in New Jersey? Hello?

        •  This isn't a talking point. (none)
          I guess you're too "sick" to notice that.

          And Toricelli will be used by the media and the GOP to point to a long pattern of corruption among NJ Dems, while making NJ Republicans look like saints. So you are actually strengthening the talking points you (falsely?) claim to dislike.

          •  Well, the Republicans have had (none)
            some fishy dealings.  One reason why McGreevey won the governorship in the first place, is because the NJ GOP played funny business to get a specific candidate in.  

            Winners play to win; they don't play to "not lose."

            by Newsie8200 on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 05:01:01 PM PDT

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          •  Nope (none)
            I doubt people think that the NJ GOP are saints either. They are...um...New Jerseyites, or something. All of them. This is not Vermont! Tom Keane was well respected, of course, but he's hardly a fire-breathing fundie.

            I'm happy with my $20 of influence

            by JMS on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 05:09:37 PM PDT

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  •  And what about the Texas Governor? (none)
    Based on rumors reported at burntorangereport.com, I think Gov Perry will be paying very close attention to how the media treat Gov McGreevey.  

    If it turns into a political lynching from Republicans, expect some leaks concerning Gov. Goodhair.

  •  Please recommend this diary. (none)
    As this is important, relevant, and late-breaking news, please click on the "Recommend this diary" button to the right of this column so that this diary won't scroll off into the ether.  

    (This is not my diary so I don't have a personal vanity stake in the matter, but I'd like for people to be aware of the news.)

  •  Please Edit Diary, Del (none)
    We don't know the reason yet.  

    Unless it's confirmed, such Incendiary grounds should  be Embargoed

  •  Oh Dear (none)
    Is it wrong that my first thought is "Boy, Wonkette is going to have a field day with this"?
  •  I posted the previous diary (4.00)
    I scooped you, DD :P

    It was my first diary and apparently I wasn't clear on all the proper etiquette and such. Again, I apologize.

  •  Here's some stuff (none)
    http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/news/81204-mcgreevey.html

    So far the only thing is a vague mention of a lawsuit.  No details about the lawsuit.

    Winners play to win; they don't play to "not lose."

    by Newsie8200 on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 04:47:40 PM PDT

  •  More on how it affects governorship... (none)
    http://kyw.com/news/wcbskyw_story_225145034.html

    A source close to Gov. James E. McGreevey has told The Associated Press the governor is considering options including his resignation.

    Should McGreevey leave office he would be succeeded by Richard Codey, the current president of the state senate, due to the fact that there is currently no lieutenant governor.

    If McGreevey were to resign before September 15th political experts say an election would be held. If he were to resign after that date Codey would reportedly govern the state until November 2005.

    Winners play to win; they don't play to "not lose."

    by Newsie8200 on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 04:52:08 PM PDT

  •  CNN isn't mentioning gay angle (none)
    They are only focusing on corruption (Candy Crowley is scarier than ever). And at least their analyst said that Kerry isn't likely to lose the state. Too bad he didn't mention any of Whitman's scandals. He seems to think that this will be a help to Republicans in NJ as long as they frame the issue properly.

    I wonder if the media is waiting until later in the day to mention the gay stuff, so the story will have legs.

    •  well this is one case where (none)
      if McGreevey resigns quickly, there won't be any legs. If he dragged it out, it would give his enemies more incentive to dig up details--the more lurid the better. So no, the hysteria seems contained for now.

      I'm happy with my $20 of influence

      by JMS on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 05:11:46 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  for example (none)
      way before Jack Ryan had to withdraw, it was an open secret what was in those divorce procedings. It was only after he stubbornly pushed ahead that they became public.

      I'm happy with my $20 of influence

      by JMS on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 05:12:38 PM PDT

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    •  typo? (none)
      Did you really mean to write "at least" or did you mean to write: "needless to mention" their analyst said that Kerry isn't likely to lose the state - since no one with any kind of grip on reality would say otherwise?

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