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I think I figured out the formula:
John Kerry sucks
John Kerry is a flip-flopper
No talk about domestic issues. No talk about jobs. Nothing on the economy.

Interesting, that. The war party peddles in fear, because that's all they have left to sell.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Mon Aug 30, 2004 at 08:06 PM PDT.

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  •  How long has this speech been going on? (none)
    any idea?

    "Our country right or wrong. When right, to be kept right; when wrong, to be put right" - Carl Schurz

    by RBH on Mon Aug 30, 2004 at 08:08:30 PM PDT

  •  They died so that George W. Bush would have someth (4.00)
    ing to run on.

    --- Re-elect Bush! He won't beat the terrorists but he'll fight 'em REAL HARD.

    by grytpype on Mon Aug 30, 2004 at 08:08:52 PM PDT

  •  F9/11 (none)
    Isn't that exactly what Michael Moore was telling us? At least those of us who would listen (ie, not these dipshits at MSG).
    •  exactly, (none)
      not that any of the coverage mentioned that.

      so now they're highlighting mccain's calling out MikeMoore and some col basically just threatened him "i'd really like to meet that filmmaker" oh please. stuff it back in your pants.

      i say again, if the dems had hit on 9/11 that much the repugs would have swarmed the media and tried to beat the shit out of Kerry Edwards. and they're conflating the war on terror with the war on iraq and the sclm are just playing right along.

  •  you can repeat (none)
    that the construction worker says you should cheney the terrorists

    Will James R. Bath reveal the secret behind George Bush's National Guard Service before it's too late?

    by pontificator on Mon Aug 30, 2004 at 08:09:44 PM PDT

  •  News Coverage: Does It Include Dems? (none)
    The Twin Cities' (MN) number-one news broadcast, on KARE 11, showed John Kerry saying the war on terror can "absolutely" be won and played the portion of Edwards' speech today where he says that terrorists will be destroyed. Anchor also mentioned that Kerry will give asylum to scientists who expose bio/chem weapons programs.

    Are your local news broadcasts covering the Johns and other Dems?

    Convention Special Edition Signature!
    "The party is more conservative than the speakers." --John Kline (R-MN), saying what we all know

    by punishinglemur on Mon Aug 30, 2004 at 08:09:54 PM PDT

    •  I haven't seen a single Democrat post-speech (4.00)
      After all of the Democratic speeches at the DNC, the cable news networks would cut right to a Rethuglican for comment.

      As we feared, the networks are not giving Democrats a chance to respond tonight.

      Fox News cut to a campaign chairman for his reaction.

      Chris Matthews (sitting with J.C. Watts and Andrea Mitchell) did an interview with John McCain.

      CNN's pundits talked amongst themselves, then kicked it over to Aaron Brown.

      No Terry McAuliffe.  No Tad Devine.  No James Carville.  No Paul Begalia.  No Stephanie Cutter.  No Hillary Clinton.

      No Democrats allowed to respond.  This makes me sick.

      •  Completely agree... (none)
        They're not even trying to make it look like they're impartial anymore.
        •  Why would they bother? (none)
          What does the corporate press/media have to fear?  If they are unfair, what bad thing will happen to the corporate entities or the employees?  Nothing, right?  There is no one, particularly no one in the Republican Party, who is ever going to do anything that would harm the interests of its masters.

          So what should we expect from them?

  •  All Negative (none)
    That was a 10 minute all-out assault of cheap shots (a lot of them bullshit) against Kerry.  Way more negative than the Dems ever were during the DNC.

    All negative all the time.

    Is that what you want America?

    •  didja see the.... (none)
      purple heart band-aids?

      a new fucking low.

      He who gives up liberty in exchange for security is deserving of neither

      by joby on Mon Aug 30, 2004 at 08:39:49 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Does it come with the complimentary Bush... (none)
        coke spoon?

        Or bottle opener?

        Seems like Bush is the one who needs all the band-aids, since the asshole can't stay on his bike--oops, I mean trike.

      •  disgusting (none)
        She can go f*** herself.  My great uncle died for his purple heart.  My father-in-law almost had his entire back blow off for his. screw her and her ilk.

        "We have to face the very real possibility that the President of the United States is loony tunes."

        by voltayre on Mon Aug 30, 2004 at 09:27:19 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  On CNN (none)
          They actually had someone condemning those bandaids for that very reason.  About damn time.

          One other report on CNN, they were talking about security and police precautions and it was pretty neutral -- but right at the end, the reporter talked to a woman who said she got a lei from the Hawaiian delegation because she "wanted to get "lei-ed" whlie in NYC, and the piece of shit reporter said "almost sounds like a democrat."  There is not one single name that I can think of bad enough for these puppet reporters.  So I will defer to the wisdom of my 8 year old daughter -- they are the biggest poopyhead mean idiots on the planet.  

  •  I agree (none)
    But lets add...

    repeat ad nauseam.

  •  CBS NYC (none)
    Covering the convetion.  Local NYC TV broadcasts in parts of Pennsylvania.

    Will James R. Bath reveal the secret behind George Bush's National Guard Service before it's too late?

    by pontificator on Mon Aug 30, 2004 at 08:11:59 PM PDT

  •  So (none)
    So, why don't we have an ad showing the Seven Minutes/My Pet Goat/flying to a hole in Nebraska?  
    •  I can see the spot... (3.66)
      "On 9/11, George Bush was told America was under attack.  He sat there for 7 minutes until an aide told him what to do."

      "Then he backed down from the fight against bin Laden", (play clip of him saying he doesn't care where bin Laden is).

      "Now he has backed down from the war on terror" (play clip of him saying "we can't win).

      "I'm John Kerry and I approved this ad because I think we need a President who knows how to protect our nation."  

      •  Yes (none)
        Show Bush petrified in that FL classroom, with the second plane flying toward the tower.  Show the news footage immediately after the attacks, when no one knew where the president was.  Show news footage regarding our failure to send U.S. troops to Tora Bora.  Show news footage of NYPD and FDNY having to scrap for their funding, and GOP leaders calling NY "money grubbing."  Show it all.

        As with so many issues in this campaign, there's a veritable smorgasbord, but we seem to only nibble at the edges.

        •  Here's a daisy cutter of an ad (none)
          Start the ad with something like:

          On September eleventh 2001 when the United States was attacked by Al Qaeda, George Bush was visiting with a class of 2nd graders.

          show the F/911 video of Bush listening to the kids reading the story. Andrew Card leans to the president and whispers in his ear. The whisper is inaudible. Tight focus on Bush's face looking like a deer in the headlights. The children can be heard reciting "My Pet Goat". Cards whisper is repeated but is not quite audible. It is repeated again louder and louder and louder with the rising music from "A Day in the Life" till nothing else can be heard: "Mr. President, we're under attack." Extremely tight closeup on Bush's eyes. Then cut the sound and black the screen for 5 seconds.

          What if he's too late?

          paid for by Big Dogs - Not Porch Dogs

          Pop-gun president lying with impunity, soundbyte policies and photo opportunities

          by Dave the Wave on Mon Aug 30, 2004 at 09:25:53 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  Call me crazy, but... (none)
        When the WH was first making the case for war, didn't Cheney respond to a "what about Bin Laden?" question by remarking that Bin Laden was not presently a credible threat?

        I.e., sure he killed 3000 Americans, but he doesn't look like he'll do it again for a while, so why go after him?

        I swear I remember something like this --- and if true, it would also be valuable in confronting administration claims to being tough on terror.


  •  You forgot (none)
    "I love President you should too!!"
  •  No surprise there (none)
    Nmoreover, uh, Iraq/WoT is the #1 issue of this Election.

    "We're not criticizing Bush for going after terrorists, we're criticizing him for NOT going after terrorists." - Wes Clark (hopefully in the future J. Kerry)

    by Armando on Mon Aug 30, 2004 at 08:14:31 PM PDT

  •  Christ (none)
    how long is Rudy going to do this speech/stand-up act?

    "Our country right or wrong. When right, to be kept right; when wrong, to be put right" - Carl Schurz

    by RBH on Mon Aug 30, 2004 at 08:15:49 PM PDT

  •  when will this week end (none)
    this is Geobbels like propoganda

    this is your mission: TERMINATE the Bush presidency

    by nevadadem on Mon Aug 30, 2004 at 08:15:50 PM PDT

    •  Our Bush (none)
      Who said this:
      The mysterious magic that he exerts on all who come in contact with him cannot alone explain his historic personality. There is more that makes us love and esteem him. Through all the ups and downs of George Bush's career, from the beginning of his political activity to the crowning of his career as he seized power, he has always remained the same: a person among people, a friend to his comrades, an eager supporter of every ability and talent. He is a pathfinder for those who devoted themselves to his idea, a man who conquered the hearts of his comrades in the midst of battle and never released them.

      You'll never guess...

  •  shorter ed koch (none)
    Shorter Ed Koch: Only Bush wants to fight terrorism. Democratic Party leadership too weak and feeble to even begin to try. Will vote for Bush.

    Someone desperately needs to stop dead in its tracks this line of thought that hurling as many troops and as much firepower into the Middle East as possible does not necessarily constitute the only or best way to "fight terrorism," if it does at all (or, as it most frequently does, accelerates the precipitation of terrorism).

    But wait, that's a brain overload even for some Democrats apparently. Bad guys. Must kill bad guys. Must fight war against Arab country. Whichever is easiest.

    ...say what we will about Kerry and his war vote. He certainly would have never PROPOSED the madness. Elect sanity to the White House, 2004.

  •  Another way to express the formula is: (none)
    Red alert.  Red Alert.  Arghhhhhh.  They're coming.  They're coming.   Go about your business.  Remain calm.  Remain calm.  Arghhhhhhh.  They're coming.  They're coming.  Remain calm.  Arghhhhhh.
  •  Now (none)
    There are many frightening aspects of Rudy's speech, but I think the part that scares me most is the fact that we now have a 'Bush Doctrine'.  How on earth is George Bush allowed to have a doctrine.  This is scary stuff...and let's not even go into where Bush thinks that he gets the authority to have a doctrine.

    But remember folks, he's a uniter not a divider.  Except this whole doctrine thing, which is easily the most divisive American policy in my lifetime.  

  •  also (none)
    five second delay between applause line and applause unless it involves bush:good, moore:bad, or kerry:worse.

    if ron reagan dyed his hair, and i'm not sayin' he did, it was only to show his strength to the communists - hank hill

    by leif on Mon Aug 30, 2004 at 08:20:26 PM PDT

  •  Getting pretty sick of cheap comparisons to WW-II (4.00)
    Saddam/Hitler, Bush/Churchill, I think apologists for the Iraq war would just rather change the subject to WW-II instead.

    This is not World War II. We did not start World War II, and we did not botch World War II.

  •  open season (4.00)
    9/11, and Bush's handling of it, is now officially fair game for KE04. When we, gloves off, start talking about "My Pet Goat" and PDBs, all we have to do is say, "Well, it's Bush's fault because he based his whole convention on 9/11 so he had to expect that people would question his character on this issue." Thank you Swift Vets.
    •  Bush can only talk about two things (none)
      Things that happened at the very beginning of his term (9/11 and the Taliban) or at the very end of his term ("the economy is just starting to pick up -- look at the last three months -- but don't look too hard at the last month").

      What about most of the time he was president?

      •  sick to my stomach (none)
        This was a scary evening, on a variety of levels. This was rhetoric from a party that is smugly confident that it won't be called to task for its cynicism, bile, or dishonesty.

        How dare they make 9/11 a Republican holiday? How dare they wrap their horrors in the shrouds of the 9/11 dead? How fucking dare they?

        It's contemptible and horrifying. I feel ill.

  •  WMD: Found! (none)
    Is this going to be the new GOP talking point? "Saddam Hussein was the WMD!" Cute, Rudy.

    Of course then he goes on to say that invading Iraq was never really about WMD. It was about democracy.  Funny, I kinda remember Smirky going on and on and on about WMD. And didn't Colin Powell say something about those too?

    Aargh. Well, Rudy did give a good speech. Too bad most of it was bullshit.

    How many more days of this?

  •  convention theme: fear factor (3.50)
    that's what it looks like alright, at least based on tonight's display. out of my six options they've obviously chosen
    Fear Factor Be afraid! Be very afraid! There's no time to think about the economy and healthcare and education and the direction the country is heading.  Still less to harbor unpatriotic thoughts about the long string of missteps this administration has made on terrorism since January 20, 2001!  Just listen to the Minister of Fear! And for God's sake don't throw your vote away appeasing the terrorists, because Osama wants you vote for Kerry!

    and here's mccain: john kerry served his country honorably, and would make a good president.  and the democrats want to fight terrorism too.  but i think we should vote for george bush because... um... 9/11!!!.  good night.

    get US troops out of iraq and into sudan

    by zeke L on Mon Aug 30, 2004 at 08:22:20 PM PDT

    •  I think I heard this (none)
      Didn't Giuliani also say "you're with us or against us."  Actually, I'm sure I heard him say it. My ears picked up at the end.  I did not hear the context or the beginning of the sentence.
      •  correction (none)
        No - I remember, he said "you're either with us or you're with the terrorists!" - (Still didn't catch the whole sentence.)
        •  with the terrorists? (none)
          did he really say that?  it's what bush said right after 9/11 you'll recall.  in a geopolitical context it was taken as arrogant but somewhat understandable under the circumstances at the time.

          but for someone to say that in a political context is nothing less than slander.  the only way to interpret that statement being part of their convention rhetoric is that the democratic party supports terrorism. sure many wingnuts actually believe that, but we should raise a stink about it.

          don't let any smears go unanswered.

          get US troops out of iraq and into sudan

          by zeke L on Mon Aug 30, 2004 at 09:01:03 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  So if those who oppose Bush are pro-terrorist (none)
            Why didn't the storm troopers round up protestors on Sunday and send them to Gitmo?  For that matter, how can Bush continue to let John Kerry and John Kerry run free?  Shouldn't they be imprisoned?  
  •  Now (none)
    There are many frightening aspects of Rudy's speech, but I think the part that scares me most is the fact that we now have a 'Bush Doctrine'.  How on earth is George Bush allowed to have a doctrine.  This is scary stuff...and let's not even go into where Bush thinks that he gets the authority to have a doctrine.

    But remember folks, he's a uniter not a divider.  Except this whole doctrine thing, which is easily the most divisive American policy in my lifetime.  

  •  i'm trying to listen to this and i can't even (none)
    figure what the fuck guli's on about.

    and of course fauxfox immediately starts talking about what wonderfuly oratory it was. just because the crowd yelled. give me obama any day over that drivel. jesus fucking christ.

    btw how much am i allowed to cuss on this blog??

  •  Don't forget Iraq! (none)

    I have to disagree a bit with you Kos.  I'm seeing:

    Random Fear

    I think the Republicans are counting on the same kind of fear and confabulation that worked so well in convincing the general population that Saddam was behind 9/11, to try and link the two again.  It will provide an impetus for the voters; fear is always a good motivator to those who refuse to think. And it will innoculate him a bit for the failures in Iraq (albeit with the less informed of the listeners).

    I'm just wondering, how many will buy such a fear strewn convention from a President that says he's made us so safe?

  •  Any Dem. surrogates on TV? (none)
    Rudy pretty much lied everytime my TV caught a bit of his speech.

    8/30: McCain squirms and resolutely says that Kerry's "strong" and "resolute," and would make a "fine president"

    by Newsie8200 on Mon Aug 30, 2004 at 08:24:37 PM PDT

  •  Please everybody (none)
    write to your local paper with your observations of the first night.  Fear, fear, fear.  Respond to the articles that show up in the paper tomorrow!
    Alternately write on a domestic issue - the economy is what the Kerry campaign suggested writing on.  If you see an article in your paper on the economy, respond to it.

    We need to keep us remembered and in the news this week.

  •  Is Rudi on drugs? (none)
    My God, I thought the man would never shut up!
    What in the hell was he doing with his hands?
    I saw some people actually yawning. Boy, you sure didn't see any of that when the Big Dog or Obama were speaking.
    •  Oh, that was that heart-warming tale... (none)
      One of soooooooo many. Yes, indeed. It was one of sooooooo many tales of his tonight. Made the evening fly by, didn't it?

      This time, I think he was using those hypnotic hand motions to show how big the arms ("bigger than his legs") were of "the firefighter that leaned over and gave the President a massive bear hug and started squeezing..." after 9/11.

      The Secret Service got into his face and said, "That guy hurts the President, Giuliani, and you're finished."

      Oh, dear. If only...

    •  that's why... (none)
      That's why I was cracking up when Mo Rocca (in a toga, nonetheless, said "Giuliani made Castro look pithy" on Larry King.
  •  and now to complete this strange acid trip (none)
    we have a video of frank sinatra (may he rest in peace) singing new york, new york.  i'm actually surprised that they didn't patch bush into the video a la forest gump.
    •  It's an omen! (none)
      "Start spreading the news / I'm leaving today" are the first two lines of the song.

      We can only hope! Anyone else catch this bit of Freud?

      Kerry/Edwards 2004!

      by Helical on Mon Aug 30, 2004 at 09:13:56 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Bush Sr. and Van Halen's "Jump" (none)
        Another late many things to read here.  I'm flipping through the cable channels--I think they're re-running their earlier programs.  

        On CNN, a brief clip of President Bush Sr. and his wife entering the convention hall, shaking hands, hugging people. He looks relaxed and happy.  But the music!  Atrocious!  Have the Republicans been able to upgrade from Foghat to Van Halen?  Who picked this music?  Who castrated this song?  Is this another omen for helical?  "Might as well jump.."  Or is it sick, twisted foreshadowing for Giuliani's speech?

  •  And Never Shall OBL Be Uttered (4.00)

    Marching Towards A Landslide

    by BrooklynBoy on Mon Aug 30, 2004 at 08:27:40 PM PDT

    •  or (none)
      Saudi Arabia




      AQ Khan


      Kim Jong Il

      Are you more bitter now than you were four years ago?

      by CountAsterisk on Mon Aug 30, 2004 at 09:13:02 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  No, Giuliani -- Saddam Was Not a WMD (none)
      He is:

      Too bad the media, our President, and half of America seem to have completely forgotten about Osama bin Laden. I guess the endless mentioning of 9/11 tonight still didn't jog this group's memory banks...

      What's it going to take? Another attack?

      Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. -- Margaret Meade

      by ilona on Mon Aug 30, 2004 at 11:57:15 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Remember Judy Woodruff (none)
    Working herself into near apoplexy after Kerry's speech going on about "but he said nothing about his record! nothing about his record!  nothing about his record!"

    Well, so far this evening, we've heard nothing about Bush's record -- his actual record, you know, with policies and strategies and such -- other than his "unwavering leadership" on the subject of 9/11.  Whatever that is.  It's a frickin' one-note symphony.

    Nothing requires a greater effort of thought than arguments to justify the rule of nonthought. -- Milan Kundera

    by Dale on Mon Aug 30, 2004 at 08:30:01 PM PDT

    •  One note? (none)
      Might be the only one they need. Rove is a fucking genius.

      I'm not feeling very well after Rudi. That guy is good. He will be president in 2009.

      Time for a Kerry hailmary, best of luck to Team Kerry.

      My new bumpersticker
      "Don't blame me, McAuliff didn't let me vote for Dean."

      •  Hey Grondom (none)
        I found your remark that Rove is a genius to be tiresome. Yeah sure. Let's all praise dishonesty for it's cleverness. Didn't you figure out that was wrong when you were 12?
         The Rude Dude is going to be hitting the Rich Whale/Lamprey Feed circuit for the foreseeable future. I guess he's coming off another proud triumph of cleaning up the Mexican police force. Another feather in the 'Tude's cap.

        Your bumpersticker should read: I like being a pusillaminous jackanapes

        Pop-gun president lying with impunity, soundbyte policies and photo opportunities

        by Dave the Wave on Mon Aug 30, 2004 at 09:57:45 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Giuliani President? (none)
        Only if:

        *Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Ralph Reed, Randall Terry, and assorted other neo-fundies go down to meet their Maker in the next 4 years.

        *He can pay off his ex-wife to get her to praise him royally despite how he kicked her ass out of Gracie Mansion (am I remembering the name of the mayor's residence right?).

        I'm getting a whiff of troll, but I'm feeling charitable (just got an unexpected raise!) so I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here...

        "If this be treason, make the most of it." -- Patrick Henry

        Prune the Shrub!

        by Cali Scribe on Tue Aug 31, 2004 at 11:53:03 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Objectively, I'll have to grant... (none)
    Giuliani is a gifted orator.  

    How telling, then, that his speech was completely unoriginal:  9/11, terror, FUD FUD FUD, oh, and Kerry's a flip-flopper, God Bless America.  

    Sheesh.  Follow the template, why don't you?

  •  Fear Minus Zero -- No Limit (none)
    The Republicans' attitude toward the terrible day of 9/11/01 remains as it has been right from start:

    Milk it, Baby, milk it.

    OT technical question for anyone who's posted a diary: when I click on the thing for new diary is has options for Preview but not for Post. Is my computer that old that it's not showing up or am I missing something?

    Never ride a pig-eyed horse or trust a pig-eyed man. Their brains don't work right.

    by Julian on Mon Aug 30, 2004 at 08:31:07 PM PDT

  •  filleted (none)
    Chris Matthew just said "Giuliani filleted John Kerry tonight."

    excuse my spelling - you know like a fish.

    Do we have anyone on the shows speaking for our side???

    I have not seen anyone yet, but the tv is in the other room and I'm doing a little going back and forth.

    •  And Chris was right (none)
      If the repugs can do this schtick for 3 more days, its over.  SBVT and the "if I knew what I know today I would still" comment allowed the reps to come in and set a tone -- unimpeded by policy -- that they never could have imagined 3 weeks ago.  Does anyone really think Kerry can / win beat Bush in the debates?  10 more weeks of closed rallies for Shrub, 1 maybe two debates, hide Cheney and keep the DOD on message by delaying the release of casualty figures (anyone else noticing the recent trend toward delayed release?) and this election is over.  4 more years of this?  Bend over.  Don't know who I'd rather puke on W or JK.
      Mambo . . . its a brave new world  
      •  Nah... (none)
        ...nobody is watching this crap.  And those that are and are undecided aren't going to be pleased with the praising of the Iraqi war, or the use of 9/11 for political gain.
        •  Undecideds aren't watching (none)
          the only way you can be undecided at this point is to be willfully undecided by avoiding any possibility of considering the race.

          Which means - hey, isn't the Home Shopping Network on?

          Can we expect security from the insecure?

          by PSoTD on Tue Aug 31, 2004 at 04:57:11 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  Spelling... (none)
      Let me fix it for you.....

      "Chris Matthews Fellated Rudy Giuliani tonight...."



      "Deserves got nothing to do with it"-William Munny, "Unforgiven"

      by GDoyle on Mon Aug 30, 2004 at 10:30:22 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Pickpockets (none)
    When I was in training for Peace Corps Kenya, all those years ago, they taught us about the pickpockets in Nairobi.

    The way they worked was quite simple: they'd follow you down a crowded street and wait until the crowd was thick. Then, one of the guys would give you a bump. As he was apologizing to you, or berating you, a second would come and pick your pocket. That second guy would then hand off your wallet to a third, who would disappear into the crowd. You wouldn't know what hit you until quite awhile later.

    This, for me, is what the Republican Party is about. Distract, pick your pocket, get berated for protesting, then handing off what little you had.

    Fear, Smoke, Mirrors...

    God have mercy on all of us.

      "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."        
    -- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

    by Skubwa on Mon Aug 30, 2004 at 08:32:12 PM PDT

  •  Dumping Cheney? (4.00)
     I heard that Bush might be in the market for a new Veep candidate.  I don't know if old Herb is still available, but he's probably better than anyone else they can dig up.  So, I took the liberty of making up a few campaign posters for the ticket.

    Image Hosted by

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    Come out to the CrashPad, politcal (and other) commentary with a bit of humor: CrashPad

    by Crash on Mon Aug 30, 2004 at 08:32:36 PM PDT

  •  A brief conversation I had yesterday (none)
    Me:...Well that's what you get when you elect an actor for governor.

    Republican woman: Yeah but the other guy was really bad.

    Me: I heard that. He was elected though. That's what I don't like about Republicans these days. They won't accept defeat in an election. They have to try a recall or an impeachment or overturn the election result. You know - just anything to win.

    Republican woman: Yeah but nobody wanted the other guy.

    Me: So who you voting for?

    Republican woman: Bush.

    Me: I thought so. So what do you like about Bush?

    Republican woman: He cut taxes and he protected us from terrorism.

    Me: Oh yeah? When?

    Republican woman: When he got Saddam.

    Me: Well what did that do? I don't remember being threatened by Iraq.

    Republican woman: He was going to give weapons to Al Qaeda.

    Me: What weapons?

    Republican woman: He supports terrorism. He gives money to Palestine terrorists.

    Me: Everybody does that: Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Kuwait, Egypt, Jordan...think we should attack all those countries?

    Republican woman: Well what about Kerry? What's he going to do?

    Me: Well first restore the tax on people making over 200,000 to pay for healthcare and keep the other tax cuts. He's going to tax business that send jobs overseas and cut taxes on businesses that keep jobs here. He's going to fight Al Qaeda - not countries that aren't any threat. He's going to restore alliances like NATO.

    Republican woman: Well those countries all hate us anyway. At least Bush won't take shit from them. He's trying to protect us.

    Me: From what? I mean if it's okay to bomb countries that scare us why don't we just kill everybody else on the planet? Then we'll feel safe.

    Republican woman: Yeah well... I gotta go.

    Pop-gun president lying with impunity, soundbyte policies and photo opportunities

    by Dave the Wave on Mon Aug 30, 2004 at 08:55:05 PM PDT

  •  Media Matters is on the ball (none)
    FOx News spent 33 more minutes covering Repubs speeches than they did for Dems speeches on the first night.

    Will James R. Bath reveal the secret behind George Bush's National Guard Service before it's too late?

    by pontificator on Mon Aug 30, 2004 at 08:55:16 PM PDT

  •  My post on McCain/Giuliani (none)
    I've posted my thoughts re McCain & Giuliani's speeches here:  Enjoy!


  •  PBS floor interview (4.00)
    PBS interviewed an older white woman after Giuliani was done speaking. She was all teary-eyed and giddy and just beside herself at all the amazing sights and sounds! She said that both speeches "said everything they needed to say." The interviewer asks her to elaborate, and all she says is "freedom!" with those eyes glazed over in tears. Then my mouth falls open as she says (direct quote, I wrote it down) "we have a free country because we have a president by the name of George W. Bush." I hope to god she isn't a delegate... delegate's aren't allowed to be THAT mindblowingly stupid. As if that wasn't enough, she starts babbling about how nice everyone in New York is and how everyone smiles and again how nice all the people have been.

    At that point, the interviewer started to lose control and gave this really subtle look like "holy cow lady, you're nuts!" before turning it back over to Lehrer.

    I'd kill for a tivo of that.

    Kerry/Edwards 2004!

    by Helical on Mon Aug 30, 2004 at 09:27:47 PM PDT

    •  From Marion, Iowa (none)
      (which is sort of a suburb of Cedar Rapids). Sadly, it was the second time today that I felt ashamed for having been born in Iowa.

      Here was the first:

      "I left God's country," said Leon Mosley of Waterloo, Iowa, co-chairman of his state party. "They could use a bunch of people from Iowa to come here to show New Yorkers what life is all about, what being patriotic is all about, and what country is all about. I'm as confident about Bush being re-elected as I am that eggs are going to be in New York tomorrow morning.''

      PS: Yes, she was a delegate. Do you think they'd let a nutkebab like her in if she weren't?

    •  Two words... (none)

      and one more:


      to grow on.

      'nuff said.

      No, the Sultan's demands are still not sufficiently rational; the only lasting peace is one based on reason and scientific principle -- Horatio Jackson

      by rgilly on Tue Aug 31, 2004 at 05:16:04 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Giuliani flip flop (none)
    Did anybody notice the sentence after Giuliani's bashing of Kerry and democrats?  He talked about unification, there are no democrats, there are no republicans, there are Americans.  Umm...then what did you just say 20 seconds ago?

    I also love the quote where he said he is not criticizing John Kerry as a person.  Give me a break.

    I guess those 1.3 million people who moved into poverty in 2003, and the 6 million people who moved into poverty since Bush took office only care about terror.  As long as Bush gave a speech during 9/11 and attacked a country that had nothing to do with 9/11, then I guess its ok to drive millions of people into poverty.

  •  Rallying the Press (4.00)
    Reading over these comments, one thing strikes me: The performances do point to potential weaknesses, but are hardly likely to pursuade the undecideds.  So what's the point?

    Answer: The press sychophancy, also widely commented on.

    Getting the press back firmly on board Team Bush appears to be the main point of this whole first night--and probably of the whole convention. If they can get the press back in the tank, they are back on Rove's turf, and they know how to play. Kerry will "lose" the debate because he coughs, or blinks his eyes, or hiccups or something. Etc.

    The solution, I propose, is simple: attack the press. Something along these lines: Kerry wants a debate on the issues.  Bush wants to run away and hide. And the media thinks that's just fine.  This isn't America.  But it can be, again. Vote Kerry.

    Where to take this messages?

    Why, to the LOCAL media, of course. To the papers with op-eds and letters to the editor, to local radio with ads, etc. The national elite media really is limited in what they can do at this point. They've been at it so long that they've worn out their welcome.  Yeah, they can steam roller people for a little while, but that little while is growing shorter and shorter.  It really does come down to a handful of swing states, and on that local turf, we can still defeat them.

    I mean--look at the size of that anti-war march.  Horizontal organizing is gaining on top-down organizing a little more every day. So don't mourn--organize!

    The Structure of Lies In A Land Without Silence--Let's put the information back in the information age!

    by Paul Rosenberg on Mon Aug 30, 2004 at 10:47:30 PM PDT

    •  Op-eds and letters to the editor (none)
      It's easy, relatively speaking, to get these published if you're from the newspaper's coverage area, follow the guidelines, and write reasonably well.

      Another possibility: calling radio stations (mainstream shows, not the Limbaugh echo chambers) when they open the lines. Just remember to keep it short.

      In politics, sometimes the jackasses are on your side.

      by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Mon Aug 30, 2004 at 11:09:10 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Oh, they have domestic issues. (none)
    It came out a bit during the morning session. Tax cuts (but they don't mention the distribution, and your left to assume it's fair), less regulation (because business that can produce things the dirty&cheap way are good for the economy, and someday more than just pollution will trickle down to us all, right?), tort reform (damn those lawyers and their frivolous law suits, but I have a feeling a few legitimate grievances might get thrown out if the R party has their way), and so on.

    And they present all the "good" numbers and say that they'll deliver more of the same.

  •  Pathetic (none)
    Tonight's featured speeches by McCain and Guiliani were utterly pathetic, to say the least. Longwinded, uninspired and incredibly tepid in their delivery.

    I'm hoping for much more of the same!!!!

    Wonder if they'll gin things up a few pegs for the networks...?

  •  I didn't watch it (none)
    ...and I feel fine this am.  My thanks to those brave folks who went into harm's way for me, however.

    I just don't see a wave of pro-bush sentiment rising outside the convention hall.  I see what I experienced on Sunday in NYC, as I walked with 400,000 people of all ages and types who are going to crawl to the voting booths in November if necessary.  It's payback time.  Take back the country time.  You'll see patriots then - doing the only thing they can to reclaim their lives.

    They're gonna vote.  And it isn't gonna be for this guy.

  •  9-11 (none)
    People are not buying it:

    August 30 , 2004

    Poll: 50% of NYC Says U.S. Govt Knew
    Half of New Yorkers Believe U.S. Leaders Had Foreknowledge of Impending 9/11 Attacks and "Consciously Failed" To Act; 66% Call For New Probe of Unanswered Questions by Congress or New York's Attorney General, New Zogby International Poll Reveals

    Read this free story here:

    Time for Democrats to wise up. Get Bush on the big lie.

    Compare Bush's seven minutes of silence to Cheney's being whisked off to a bunker or wherever by the Secret Service.

    Moore is showing you guilt. A guilty conscience, plus the Secret Service not Andy Card would whisk the President off for his own protection.

    Bush is in a Booker Elementary School second-grader classroom. His chief of staff, Andrew Card, enters the room and whispers into his ear, "A second plane hit the other tower, and America's under attack." [New York Times, 9/16/01 (B)] [9:05, New York Times, 9/16/01 (B), 9:05, Telegraph, 12/16/01, 9:05, Albuquerque Tribune, 9/10/02, 9:07, Washington Times, 10/8/02, ABC News reporter Ann Compton, who is in the room, says she is struck "So much so that I [write] it down in my reporter's notebook, by my watch, 9:07 a.m.," ABC News, 9/11/02] Intelligence expert James Bamford describes Bush's reaction: "Immediately [after Card speaks to Bush] an expression of befuddlement passe[s] across the President's face. Then, having just been told that the country was under attack, the Commander in Chief appear[s] uninterested in further details. He never ask[s] if there had been any additional threats, where the attacks were coming from, how to best protect the country from further attacks.... Instead, in the middle of a modern-day Pearl Harbor, he simply turn[s] back to the matter at hand: the day's photo op." [Body of Secrets, James Bamford, 4/02 edition, p. 633] Bush continues listening to the goat story. Then, in an event noticeable in its absence, as one newspaper put it, "For some reason, Secret Service agents [do] not bustle him away." [Globe and Mail, 9/12/01] Bush later says of the experience, "I am very aware of the cameras. I'm trying to absorb that knowledge. I have nobody to talk to. I'm sitting in the midst of a classroom with little kids, listening to a children's story and I realize I'm the Commander in Chief and the country has just come under attack."[Telegraph, 12/16/01] Bush continues to listen to the goat story for about ten more minutes (see (9:06-9:16 a.m.)). The reason given is that, "Without all the facts at hand, George Bush ha[s] no intention of upsetting the schoolchildren who had come to read for him." [MSNBC, 10/29/02]

    Guilty! Every second he sits in that classroom those kids are in grave and present danger. What if an attack had targeted Bush? The school is moments away from an airport.

    Just like the Kennedy assassination where the obvious is overlooked and a phony investigation starts on false pretenses, (there were 4 shots at least that day, three in the car and one that hit the sidewalk down the street and caused an injury to a bystander. Four shots = conspiracy,) the 9-11 commission assumes that we were attacked by Al-Qa'Ida and never questions what really happened only why we didn't prevent what we don't know happened from happening. The fact that there is no credible case and there have been no 9-11 related covictions doesn't seem to bother the Whitewash commission or Kerry.

    Indeed Kerry is not even bothered by the fabricated evidence for Iraq saying he'd vote for Bush all over again. Weak.

    Short of a miracle (a terrorist attack would give Bush a landslide), why can't Kerry win? Because when he was asked whether he would still vote to give Bush the authority to invade Iraq if he knew then what he knows now, he said yes. He lost the election at that moment, not because some higher power decrees it, but because the Americans who were willing to forgive him for his calculated vote in the Senate lost their dwindling faith in him.

    Kerry has politically calculated himself into a pretzel. By refusing to take a stand against this needless and wrongheaded war, he has made himself indistinguishable from Bush on the defining issue of this election. He figures that he speaks the language of the majority of Americans, who see no reason they can't have things both ways.

    Thus Kerry sees no contradiction in voting for the war, but saying he would wage it in a different way; no weakness of character in denouncing Bush's recklessness, but refusing to renounce his policies. And the Republicans know that Bush's phony character will trump Kerry's evidently nonexistent one.

    Kerry's basic claim is that he would have done a better job of waging the war against Iraq. Does that mean he would not have killed thousands of civilians? No, of course not. Rather, by virtue of his presidential aura and untested diplomatic skills, he would have `gotten our allies on board, and not alienated the world.'

    Martin LeFevre: Pray for Kerry, Prepare for Bush

    Time for Dems to get off the "conspiracy theory" meme and win this damn election. Bush is guilty for 9-11! Booker is a planned photo op. That's why Bush needs those little black kids to stick around even though by the Bushites own scenario those kids are sitting ducks for a terror attack the entire time.

    The war on terror is a well devised plan outlined by Cheney's PNAC for global domination of fossil fuel reserves.

  •  GOP Convention Drinking Game (none)
    For heavy-duty, alcoholic types:

    Take a shot every time:

    - someone mentions 9/11
    -you hear the words "terror" or "courage"
    -you see a white, male delegate

    For lightweight, teetotaler types:

    Take a shot every time:

    -someone mentions Vietnam
    -you hear the words "Osama" or "AWOL"
    -you see a minority delegate

    GOP: All 9/11 All The Time

    by wry twinger on Tue Aug 31, 2004 at 05:48:24 AM PDT

  •  Was anybody really watching? (none)
    Besides Kossacks and the right-wingers who give Faux news most of its ratings, were many people really paying attention last night? Remember that the broadcast networks (ABC, CBS, NBC) didn't cover the speeches live, with the exception of the MNF break on ABC. So, I don't think all that many people actually saw the "great show" the GOP put on last night.

    So, the convention, for all intents and purposes, begins tonight--and is only on for two days. [Does anybody really believe that Cheney will appeal to anyone outside the base?] The only chances the GOP has to appeal to swing voters and moderates are tonight (with Ahnuld) and Thursday. However, Ahnuld's popularity is clearly with him as an individual, and clearly hasn't shown major signs of seeping into the general populace. Moreover, I don't think Ahnuld can convince anyone who's already made up his or her mind about Dubya to switch their votes, one way or another.

    Which brings us to Thursday. What does Bush say or do that will bring in large numbers of voters? Any major new initiative will be easily parried by the question "and how exactly are you going to pay for that, Mr. President?" Pandering to the base with issues like the FMA, anti-abortion rhetoric, or slams against stem cell research will only serve to drive away the moderate vote. He can't talk about creating jobs without making that a viable issue, and he can't really talk meaningfully about drug benefits, deficit reduction, or saving Social Security as his credibility on those has been totally shot. So, the only real alternatives he has left are to pick on Kerry and to play the terra-fear card.

    I predict we're not going to like Thursday's speech much, but I just can't see how he can really do much to convince people outside of his base that he's the better candidate. All he can do is hope that people will be reluctant to vote him out of office.

    •  Item-by-Item Anger Bites On Each Policy (none)
      Here's the rhetoric I use on each of the talking points you mention above:

      FMA -- "Why do the Republicans hate the Constitution? Why isn't the Constitution good enough for them? Why do they want to write discrimination into the Constitution? Do you support the Hate Amendment?"

      "PBA" -- "Why do the Republicans hate women? Is a woman a citizen or is she an instrument of delivery for children? At what point during pregnancy does a woman lose her rights through birth?"

      Stem Cell Research -- "Why do the Republicans want to discriminate against Alzheimer's victims and victims of cerebral palsy?"

      They want to divide us from the middle of the political spectrum; why sit by and let them draw the lines of division? Let's start dividing them from the middle of the political spectrum by emphasizing what they are: The party of authoritarian belief, the party of the wealthy (at your expense, not for your opportunity), the party of hate, the party of the patriarchy, and the party of the corporation (the same corporation that offshores your jobs, cuts your health benefits, and wants to vest you with worthless options instead of a real retirement portfolio).

      See, the thing that too many leaders on the left have ignored for too long is that the Fox News model cuts both ways: They crap on us for being diverse so why not crap on them for hating anything and everything?

  •  The GOP convention (none)
    sure looks benign, but as we know all to well appearances can be deceiving, and this picture is meant to hide the real agenda from an unsuspecting American public.
    Left is right and right is wrong for America.
  •  gooper speech (none)
    How about?

    Kerry flip-flop

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