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Jesus. Tom Coburn, X-Treme GOoPer.

From Atrios:

Listen to the Republican candidate for senator from Oklahoma say this:
You know, Josh Burkeen is our rep down here in the southeast area. He lives in Colgate and travels out of Atoka. He was telling me lesbianism is so rampant in some of the schools in southeast Oklahoma that they'll only let one girl go to the bathroom. Now think about it. Think about that issue. How is it that that's happened to us?"

Tom Coburn, 8/31/04

The guy is scary.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 11:50 AM PDT.

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  •  Give to Carson (none)
    Good reason to give to Brad Carson:

    •  PALFOUND Asks Carson to Pull Ad (none)
      PALPAC, the Political Action Committee of the Progressive Aliance Foundation (PALFOUND), a progressive Oklahoma political group has asked Brad Carson to pull an ad in which Brad Carson's wife equates Tom Coburn's calling Carson "liberal" with his calling Carson "evil."  

      Here's the text of PALPAC's e-mail to supporters:


       Many of us who identify as moderate to progressive in Oklahoma have had to deal with the reality that Brad Carson has chosen to run as a conservative in Oklahoma. We understand that despite the fact that he is not with many of us on important Democratic issues, he still is a better choice to represent us in the United States Senate than Tom Coburn.

       However, the Carson campaign has clearly crossed a line of decency with their latest TV ad. In the Ad., Brad Carson's wife insinuates that when Tom Coburn calls her husband "a liberal", that it's just as bad as when Coburn calls him "evil". This message is offensive and disrespectful to the many liberal Oklahomans who have been willing to support Brad Carson despite his politics not always aligning with the issues and principles of the progressive community.

       Please call the Carson campaign headquarters and demand that they pull this advertisement immediately. Their number is 1-866-897-2723, and press ZERO for the operator

       Many of us are willing to adapt and compromise to get the more qualified candidate in this race elected to the Senate, but we will not stand for our own political identity being demonized by someone who expects us to support him.

       Call the Carson Campaign immediately, 1-866-897-2723, and press ZERO for the operator.

      Thank You,

       Andrew Rice


       PALPAC (Progressive Alliance Political Action Committee)

      Please note that while their organization is formally non-partisan, the leaders of PALFOUND are active Oklahoma Democrats who have been generally supportive of Brad Carson's campaign.

      In a "safe" state? Consider a vote for David Cobb, the Green Party's candidate for President.

      by GreenSooner on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 07:02:05 PM PDT

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    •  He could use it (none)
      General Election Matchup
               All GOP Dem Ind Men Wom 9/29 9/23 9/16 8/30
      Coburn   40% 69% 21% 40% 47% 35% 37%  37%  35%  37%
      Carson   39  11  58  10  38  40  44   40   42   44
      Undec    21  20  20  50  15  25  19   23   21   20 (R) poll; conducted 10/7 for Fox 25; surveyed 330 likely voters; margin of error +/-5.4% (release, 10/8).

      For this poll, the likely voter sample was made up of 38%R, 59%D, 3%I/Other; In '00, the state's electorate broke down 42%R, 44%D, 14%I/Other.

      The Who-Dey Hotel-You owe it to me to read my blog for my pain and loyalty as a Cincinnati Bengals fan

      by E Goods on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 07:15:02 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  This looks better, i think/hope (none)
                 All GOP Dem Ind M W 9.29 9.23 9.16 8.30
        Coburn      40  69  21  40  47  35  37   37   35   37
        Carson      39  11  58  10  38  40  44   40   42   44
        Undec        21  20  20  50  15  25  19   23   21   20

        well i tried, hope you can line up the columns

        The Who-Dey Hotel-You owe it to me to read my blog for my pain and loyalty as a Cincinnati Bengals fan

        by E Goods on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 07:23:35 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Man I went to the wrong HS. (4.00)
    •  Apologies (4.00)
      For the piggish reaction. The quote was just so comic I couldn't help myself. I dated a girl from OK when I was in college. Out in the farm towns teens can pretty much find a secluded spot in the endless fields and break some commandments at will. As a result teen pregnancies aren't exactly rare. Neither are pretty wild parties, went to a couple of them. To say that the most dangerous thing teens are doing is kissing folks of the same sex so that they can shock their parents is absolutely comic.
      •  Ha. (none)
        There were two girls back at my high school who decided to "shock" everybody by holding hands in the hallways for a week or so. They got sent home and their parents were notified. Haha.

        Let us not become the evil that we deplore.

        by Worship Your Toaster on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 03:59:46 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  rural areas (none)
        I've found this to be true of rural areas, as well. Sex is easier to get away with. Booze is easier to get. Drugs are most definitely easier to get. Been that way for 30 years. So, yes, it is highly comical to hear a rural politician act as if this behavior is something new that must be dealt with before any more of that fancy big city behavior can infiltrate and corrupt the children further. Would someone think of the children?!?
    •  Excellent (none)
      But you're still a bad person...

      ...Just like me, on account I gave you a "4". :)

      Truth gone to seed hurts, but well-cultivated ignorance is deadly.

      by cskendrick on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 04:22:20 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Please don't apologize... (none)
      Funniest response I've read all day.  And there have been a couple that were laugh-out-loud funny already.

      O it is excellent to have a giant's strength; but it is tyrannous To use it like a giant--Shakespeare, Measure for Measure, Act II

      by ogre on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 07:05:20 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Southeast Oklahoma (none)
      When I used to have to drive through there every week, I was warned never to stop and go into the woods because the main cash crop is marijuana, and people who discover a cache don't ususally survive.

      My informatnats also warned me that the growers were the main contributors to the elections of the Sheriffs of those counties. So if the state or federal Narcs were to plan a raid, they had to inform those law enforcement agencies and rarely were successful.

      Somehow, rampant lesbianism was never a serious threat.

  •  they'll only let one girl go to the bathroom? (4.00)
    Are the other girls mad at her??  How long are they going to have to hold it?

    "We're makin' progress. It's hard work. We're workin' hard on freedom. And liberty. Hard work. ... Hard work. . . . um . . . is the light on yet?"

    by DrFrankLives on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 03:49:53 PM PDT

  •  i wish (none)
    there had been rampant lesbianism in MY highschool.
  •  But how does this address... (none)
    ... the problem of masturbation?

    Clearly, the solution is to install cameras in every restroom and send the tapes to Coburn's office, for him to review at his leisure.

    Oklahomans demand accountability in women's restrooms!

    Mission Accomplished: The ultimate in premature ejaculations.

    by stillnotking on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 03:52:48 PM PDT

    •  Just watch (3.50)
      In the closing days of the campaign, somebody is going to out Coburn. No man can be this anti-gay unless he's just extremely uncomfotable with his own sexuality.

      A reporter at a press conference should ask Coburn if he has ever mastrubated. If he says no, then he's an obvious liar. If he says yes, there goes Saint "Sex-Free" Coburn. If he says "That's an inappropriate question," that's as good as a yes.

      "I'm the Vice-President. They know it, and they know that I know it." --Dan Quayle

      by BaltimoreDem on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 04:25:21 PM PDT

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      •  Saw Coburn debate Carson at Russert's digs (none)
        He looks like he just might be a bit sweet...not that there's anything wrong with that.

        Lindsey Graham of SC, and Governor Rick Perry of TX just might be, too.

        All with impeccable fundamentalist credentials, of course.

        Truth gone to seed hurts, but well-cultivated ignorance is deadly.

        by cskendrick on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 05:46:38 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  comment (none)
          or man-on-dog santorium?

          i saw a pic on one of the blogs (i forgot which one). it was gop-wear-seersucker-clothing-to-congress friday, or something like that.

          frist and santorium were kneeling. frist had his hand on santorium's thigh, between the knee and the naughty part.

          i think frist was trying to yank santorium's chain. i used to do this to a (former) friend who was a homophobe supreme.

        •  You must read Robert Reich's (none)
          "Reason", where he methodically picks apart the sex-is-the-devil's-work crap that the fundiest of fundies are pushing.

          Personally, I refuse to recognize anything the fundies say on the matter of sex or gays as legitimate opinion. Spewing crap like this shows not only a lack of tolerance and a lack of education, but also an acute lack of maturity.

          At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if Coburn castrated himself because "it was making me think immoral thoughts".

          "I'm the Vice-President. They know it, and they know that I know it." --Dan Quayle

          by BaltimoreDem on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 09:19:41 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Speaking of family values (none)

            Fox Broadcasting just got slapped with a fine almost three times larger than the one assessed to CBS for the, ahem, overexposed Nipplegate moment at last year's Superbowl. :)

            Oklaphobia - fear of coming too soon.

            by cskendrick on Wed Oct 13, 2004 at 09:34:40 AM PDT

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      •  Doesn't (none)
        "how dare you!" mean you're a virgin?     ;)

        "You're born naked and the rest is drag." -Ru Paul

        by cshardie on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 06:15:29 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Even in Oklahoma... (none)
    this sort of garbage is a sign of desperation. some of the schools in southeast Oklahoma ...they'll only let one girl go to the bathroom

    As someone said on Atrios's discussion board about this, I wonder who the lucky girl is who gets to go to the bathroom and why she travels from school to school ;-).  

    In a "safe" state? Consider a vote for David Cobb, the Green Party's candidate for President.

    by GreenSooner on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 03:52:56 PM PDT

  •  In his dreams! (none)
    WHat the hell is he talking about?  What does he think young nubile young girls are having orgies after gym class?


    What is wrong with these people?!

    •  It would relieve "Social Tensions" (4.00) judge Scalia would say.
      •  Wasn't that interesting? (none)
        It's all projection!  The people who are in fact most obsessed with sex are the most conservative about it.  They're conservative because they know that they themselves would be the first to indulge in whatever their fantasies are the minute society's rules relaxed! So they project that onto everyone else (because they can't attack it in themselves) and argue for strict rules against it for everybody.  Scalia is usually among the strictest, but his uncharacteristically permissive remark must have been made in an unguarded moment.  At least it shows he's human...
  •  I call bullshit... (none)
    I really wonder about this.  Has anyone called the school district to get a comment?  I don't think they'll be too happy hearing their schools talked about like that.

    List of districts & schools here.

  •  OT - Iowa news (none)
    Cate Edwards watched the debate at Drake University (Des Moines, IA).  She spoke after the event.

    More Information here:

    Wohoo! No one can say they arent trying to win Iowa and it looks like Iowa will be going blue.

  •  Great story... (none)
    So, I pulled up the Coburn audio and apparently, my cuckoo clock is set a few minutes fast. Right when the audio ended, the clock went off.

    Tom Coburn...a cuckoo that deserves to get clocked.

    Go Carson!!

    Democracy for America supporter!

    by Danno11 on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 03:56:42 PM PDT

  •  O-o-o-o-o-o-o-o! -kla-ho-ma (4.00)
    where the teenage girls play in the stalls ...
    And a right-wing kook,
    he takes a look
    Through a hole he bored right in the walls ...


    "Loyalty to the country always. Loyalty to the government when it deserves it." - Mark Twain

    by soultaco on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 03:56:55 PM PDT

  •  Here's where the data comes from (4.00)
    Coburn had just seen a move called "Horny Cheerleader, Volume VII"....
    •  I think (none)
      you're dead on. i think these freaks actually sit around, watching porn, and form their ideas of other people's sexuality from that. thus, when they meet real lesbians, they're angry and disappointed that they're not wearing cheerleader outfits and swooning "It's so hot out, let's take off our skirts!" or some bullshit. When they are normal people living their lives the thugs are pissed. they want dirty smut dammit!
  •  Heh, won't this boost Coburn's poll numbers? (none)
    I'm from OK and I've regularly bagged on that state in this forum.  Raging homophobia is the routine in Oklahoma.  If you go around with a bunch of guys and you don't crack at least one fag-bashing joke per day, you are probably gay.

    Don't mistake Coburn for an abberation.  When you use homosexuality as a scare tactic, you are appealling to the majority of Oklahomans.

    Also I understand Dr. Phil told the nation there's an epidemic of oral sex.  There's no telling what's going on in the boys' locker room.

    •  I don't know about OK (none)
      but in most parts of the country it's just two guys that creaps people out.
    •  A Pander to the Religious Right (none)
      I think you are correct, unfortunately.  It's probably a message that is reinforced in certain evangelical churches, etc.

      FYI - I just bought A PATRIOT ACT -  This is a vital new film about the real motives behind the Bush Administration. A must see!

    •  Yeah, I heard (none)
      that bottled water is getting more and more popular in SE Oklahoma, too.

      I love my dead, gay son!

      P.S. Eskimo!

      Choose your enemies wisely -- for they are the ones you will imitate most.

      by Pesto on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 05:04:09 PM PDT

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      •  Heathers (none)
        A gold mine of one-liners.

        My faves  -

        This is Ohio; if you're not throwing down a brewski, you might as well be wearing a dress. :)

        And then -

        I'm going to have to send my SAT scores to San Quentin instead of Stanford!

        Truth gone to seed hurts, but well-cultivated ignorance is deadly.

        by cskendrick on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 05:16:46 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  In South Carolina too (none)
        Seems to be their platform

        Congressman Jim DeMint (R) created more controversy for his US Senate campaign this week, although he still remains the frontrunner. After saying in a debate a few days ago that he would not favor allowing any openly gay educators to teach in the public schools, DeMint added on Tuesday that he also would not want to see "a single woman who was pregnant and living with her boyfriend" teaching in the public schools. On Wednesday, DeMint apologized for the comment about unwed pregnant teachers: "Sometimes my heart disengages from my head and I say something I shouldn't and that's what happened yesterday ... and I apologize." DeMint's campaign spokesman also clarified that he would not work to enact a law barring gay persons from working as teachers -- although DeMint did not retract his comments opposing out gay teachers.

      •  "I don't patronize bunny rabbits!" (none)

        Mission Accomplished: The ultimate in premature ejaculations.

        by stillnotking on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 06:04:17 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  The thing these wingnuts never consider... (none)
    These idiots never think about the fact that many people in SE Oklahoma don't exactly want to be told that there is "rampant lesbianism" in their schools. They want to hear that it is in OTHER areas--that's always the way it is. People want to hear that they are fine, and that others have the problem. But, no, this jackass is basically telling these folks that their daughters are a bunch of big 'ol lesbians.

    My guess is that this won't play too well.

  •  Wait, wait! I saw this in a movie a while ago... (none)
    I remember watching some movie many years ago about the sexual goings-on at some southern school...something about a corrupt cop, and a whorehouse, and a Jewish kid...I remember there was a shower scene involving guys watching girls shower together...a weird, sort of prison-matron with the girls scene....

    Oh, THAT'S right.  It was "Porky's"!  I didn't know it was REAL!

    Man, MY high school life was dull.

    After all, it would be 'safer' than allowing same-sex bathrooms.

    The mind is not a vessel to be filled, but a fire to be kindled. - Plutarch

    by El Payo on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 03:59:19 PM PDT

    •  Lesbian + Co-Ed bathrooms = End to male truancy! (none)
    •  After my Baptist Grandma in (none)
      Oklahoma got in-door plumbing, she wanted us to leave the bathroom door open when we used the facilities. When I, as a teenage girl, asked my Mom "What's wrong with Grandma"? Mom said, "Well, your Grandma thinks people do bad things behind a closed door"  

      This from a woman who emotionally abused her children and who was and is referred to even today, as "Grandmother from Hell". Scariest woman I ever met in my life!    

  •  Scary thought is... (none)
    Coburn appears to have erased his earlier deficit (its an R poll, but an R poll that had showed him down big) after two debates.  From Politics1:

     OKLAHOMA (KOKH-TV/SoonerPoll): Former Congressman Tom Coburn (R) - 39.8%, Congressman Brad Carson (D) - 39.2%. After two debates, Coburn has eliminated his deficit and the two are essentially tied. Toss-Up.

    From Baltimore County? Volunteer for the local party!

    by Lavoisier1794 on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 03:59:34 PM PDT

  •  Man, I think all the girls in my High School (none)
    were lesbians too.  Explains why I got so few dates

    who in the what now?

    by slapshot57 on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 03:59:42 PM PDT

    •  excuses excuses (none)
      to bad there werent more out lessies in my h.s.  i was the only one called he-she or shim.

      funny story from my mom's h.s. she went back to her 25th reunion and the prom queen, cheerleader, miss perfect was a raging bull dyke.  just goes to show, ya never know.

      Check out PPipes 42 progressive email lists in one place.

      by juls on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 05:19:37 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Just like OBGYNs (4.00)
    Too many high school seniors aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country.

    "Somehow 'we told you so' just doesn't say it"

    by Rp on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 03:59:45 PM PDT

  •  And here's another one from that neck of the woods (none)
    From a State Leg race in Arkansas.  You may remember this gentleman's father, the former U.S. Senator:

    Abuse victims deserve apology after remark, Hutchinson rival says

    Posted on Saturday, October 9, 2004


    ROGERS -- Timothy Hutchinson's legislative opponent said she was offended by his comment this week that he didn't know why pregnant women had increased chances of being abused but that "maybe it's the hormones."

    Robbyn Tumey of Rogers, the Democrat running against Hutchinson in Benton County's District 95, said that Hutchinson owes abuse victims an apology. "The only people to blame for domestic violence are the people who hit, not the people who get hit," Tumey said in a statement released Friday.

    She was referring to comments that Hutchinson, a Republican from Lowell, made at a forum Thursday sponsored by the Rogers-Lowell Area Chamber of Commerce. Asked what type of legislative experience he had, Hutchinson said he helped draft and testified in favor of a bill that enhanced criminal penalties against people who abuse members of their families.

    Hutchinson, a lawyer and former Benton County deputy prosecutor, said he and other prosecutors thought a misdemeanor domestic battery charge was insufficient for beating a pregnant woman. A maximum sentence of a year in jail is not enough for a beating that could result in birth defects, Hutchinson said. "When it comes to pregnant women, maybe it's the hormones, but for some reason, it seems like violence -- domestic violence -- seems to escalate when the female in the household is pregnant, and [there's] a terrible situation where the womb is injured," Hutchinson said during the forum. "It's usually a kick to the womb."

    •  Wow, what a moron (none)
      How strange that the man can't consider either of these possibilities:

      • the prospect of another child is seen as a threat by the father
      • a pregnant woman is more vulnerable and can't run away easily

      Instead, he declares the woman's hormones responsible for the man's behavior!

      How weird, also, that he portrays himself as an expert ("It's usually a kick to the womb") right after he effectively admits himself to be speculating based on ignorance ("maybe it's the hormones").

      Looking for Kerry fun south or west of Boston?

      by AlanF on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 04:32:38 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Hasnt this (none)
    guy learned to shut up? I mean, he is a Doc right, isnt he supposed to be smart? Well, Im glad he doesnt shut up actually. :). I was watching the Carson-Coburn debate on MTP. And my roommate was walking by the TV and paused to watch Coburn "defending" his "kill all the abortionists stand." And as far as I know, he could care less about the OK senate and hasnt paid attention to it. He turned to me and said, "this guy's a nut, isnt he?" I nodded and laughed. He was shocked someone like that could be a doctor.
    Had to be said, ya' know. ;)

    "President Bush now says his Iraq policy is a catastrophic success. He's half right." - John Edwards

    by nyetsoup4you on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 04:00:12 PM PDT

  •  "How is it that that's happened to us?" (none)
    a)  Mary Cheney

    b)  Susan Molinari (GOP Keynote speaker 1996)

    c)  Republican <wink> "control" <wink> of Congress, Prez., S. Ct.

    d)  Rupert Murdoch's Fox TV (Buffy - Willow)

    e)  Schindler's List

  •  asdf (4.00)
    The reason they only let one person go to the bathroom is to prevent excessive socializing. It has nothing to do with lesbianism.  In my high school a teacher would sometimes make students go one at time because the teacher felt that students going in pairs were going to gossip and avoid class rather than actually use the bathroom.

    The fact that the senator sees this as runaway lesbianism is comical.

    What a joke!

  •  Well (none)
    If Coburn wins this race it will be an indictment against Carson, who should be way ahead of this crazy man.
    •  bullshit (none)
      It's an indictment of Oklahoma that slime can run like this.  Carson's run hard....

      O it is excellent to have a giant's strength; but it is tyrannous To use it like a giant--Shakespeare, Measure for Measure, Act II

      by ogre on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 08:49:14 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Send Mary Cheney to investigate (none)
    This never happened while Clinton was President!  

    "Of course the President's a nitwit. But he's our nitwit. My golly, he'd have to be a nitwit to let us run things." Rumsfeld to Cheney in THE DICK CHENEY CODE

    by Plan9 on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 04:03:29 PM PDT

  •  Raging (none)
    It's happening, Tom, because raging homophobes like you see your own shadow and jump out of your own skin.

    God help us if two girls might actually like or associate with one another!  They might be having affectionate thoughts for one another, and just like marijuana leads to crack, affection leads to....OMG, OMG!  I can not even think of it!

    If you think Bush really is (he is!) the worst president ever, go to and spread the word.

    by Long Haul on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 04:03:35 PM PDT

  •  I think (4.00)
    what Mr. Coburn is trying to say to high school girls is that they need some wood.
  •  asdf (none)
    If all Republican candidates said what's on their mind like Coburn, we wouldn't have to spend a dime.  They'd just defeat themselves.

    He probably was watching some stupid porno minutes before making that stupid ass comment.

  •  List (none)
    A list:

    Coburn thinks the gassing of naked, elderly Jews in Nazi death camps is akin to pornography.

    Coburn sterlizes women without their consent.

    Coburn thinks that lesbianism is so rampant in schools in southeast Oklahoma - arguably the most conservative portion of the state, where the Klan is a way of life.

    My question is: how can any human being with an IQ greater than that of a pigeon actually think this person would make a good Senator?  Who actually thinks this person needs to be let out of his cell when he's not in some Hannibal Lector-like cage?

    Seriously - Coburn needs to be committed, not be in the Senate.

    Pick up a gun and learn how to fight.

    by JasonMical on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 04:07:18 PM PDT

    •  The Schindler's List Story (none)
      The Part that gets me is at the bottom, where the FCC Chairman praises NBC airing the movie.

      Can you imagine what Michael Powell would do if a newtwork tried to air Schindler's List?

      If you're going to vote for Kerry for no other reason, we need to get ourselves an FCC Chairman who isn't off his nut.

  •  I bet Coach Switzer is to blame for this too (none)
    quick.. send Dr. Strangelove's team to investigate

    "Our country right or wrong. When right, to be kept right; when wrong, to be put right" - Carl Schurz

    by RBH on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 04:07:55 PM PDT

  •  What would O'Reilly say about this? (none)
    I just read a great review of Bill O'Reilly's new book for kids. It's at my new favorite niche web site de jour.


    The O'Reilly Factor for Kids
    A Review

    By Tom Breuer

    My favorite quotes from the review:

    "The entire book is little more than an assortment of dull anecdotes from O'Reilly's childhood alongside regurgitated bromides from elementary school health classes and old `50s hygiene films. The thing makes Reefer Madness look cool."


    "It looks like he lifted stuff straight out of a 1946 copy of Boy's Life and then removed all the edginess."


    Page 6: "If a kid lies to his parents, he or she will lie to you."

    (OK, Bill? I haven't used the word gaywad in probably 25 years. Please don't force my hand.)


    Plane Crazy
    Who also seems to have missed the rampant lesbianism in high school. Generation gap?

    "It is hard to fight anger, for a man will buy revenge with his soul." Heracleitus, 500 BCE

    by PlaneCrazy on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 04:10:04 PM PDT

  •  Holy Double Entenuendres, Samantha!! (none)
    Tom Coburn is Son of Ed Heaney!  He surely ounds homo-naustic to me.

    We need a better president.

    by GOTV on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 04:12:41 PM PDT

  •  Damn those scary lesbians (none)
    More likely only one kid can go to the bathroom at a time because the toilets aren't working.....have those Senators taken a look lately at the state of our public schools? about priorities....

    Oh, I forgot, gays and lesbians are responsible for the downfall of American society......we've probably got WMD hidden somewhere.

  •  N T T I A W W Tom (none)
    "The gay community has infiltrated the very centers of power in every area across this country, and they wield extreme power ... That agenda is the greatest threat to our freedom that we face today. Why do you think we see the rationalization for abortion and multiple sexual partners? That's a gay agenda." ~ Rep. Tom Coburn

  •  Lynne (3.50)
    we should plant copies of Lynne Cheney's Sisters in the Oklahoma high school libraries and blame it on her.
  •  weird social changes (none)
    I went to the movies on Friday night in the phila suburbs and this particular theater always has hordes of teenagers hanging out all night on the weekends.  I commented to my husband that a lot of the girls seemed to be touching/hugging/holding hands in a way neither my friends nor I did in highschool in the late 80s.  I think what may be mistaken for lesbianism is just girls doing alot of touching in an attempt to get boys to notice them.  They're not stupid, they know it's every boy/man's fantasy.
  •  Oklaphobia (none)

    I haven't worked out exactly what that is, but Coburn's got it. :)

    Truth gone to seed hurts, but well-cultivated ignorance is deadly.

    by cskendrick on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 04:24:27 PM PDT

  •  Oh Please (none)

    Oh boy, rampant lesbianism?  My goodness don't they get it?  

    Not for anything, but given a choice between a right wing SOB, and my high school girlfriend,  the choice would be clear.

    Really it's all about sex now, isn't it? Gay marriage, abortion, birth control, pornography, the right wing websites are full of  the fear of "uncontrolled" sex.

    •  What's Wrong with Oklahoma (4.00)
      Not to crap on midwesterners, but this is ridicolous. You actually vote for these people? Well, not anyone here, but someone.

      "Rampant lesbianism"? OK, so that's the biggest problem Mr. Coburn can find in OK? I'd say you're in a much better state than most of the country. The rest of us actually have to worry about such things as jobs, health care, education and that damn war.

      Obviously, Oklahoma is located in another dimension.

      Republicans best friend is ignorance.

      by Jonesyboy on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 04:45:20 PM PDT

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      •  Lesbianism beats incest (none)
        Sound like Oklahoma school girls would rather have sex with other girls instead of their Fathers and Brothers

        Maybe that is the problem in Oklahoma

        My daughter is a lesbian and I aint gettin any

  •  ...snarf... (none)
    ...all over my keyboard.  You get a 4 from this rampant lesbian...oh and my lesbian OB-GYN too!
  •  More Proof, I think... (none)
    That Republicans just don't know how to screw!

    Think about it, Republican are miserable at sex, the girls can't get satisfy their budding hormones because the sex they're getting is dreaful, sothey turn to each other.

    is there nothing Republicans can do well?

  •  Hey.... (4.00)
    I think I found one of his campaign posters:

    Actually, that's the cover of a rather sordid masturbation aid from the early 1960's (written by a "doctor"), full of lurid descriptions of lesbian sex. A perfect symbol for Coburn's mind, I'm sure.

    Where were his hands when he made these remarks? "Searching for some change"??

    "Salvation is by way of the truth, not by way of the fatherland" -- Chaadaev

    by sagesource on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 04:30:38 PM PDT

  •  Coburn's Latest Charge (none)
    I fully expect that Coburn will soon charge that the Carson and the Democrats have a plan to to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.

    I try, believe me I try, not to fall into the trap of blindly hating the Republicans.  It's not a healthy way to be and it harms the democratic process.  But then guys like Coburn come along to remind me that the most hateful politicians not only find a home in the Republican Party, they are its leadership.

  •  In South Carolina (4.00)
    The Republican candidate for Senate, Jim DeMint, doesn't believe that gays should be allowed to teach.  To prove that he wasn't anti-gay, he also argued that unmarried pregnant women shouldn't be allowed to teach, either.

    Democratic candidate Inez Tenenbaum described his positions as "un-American."

  •  I knew a few women that may be moving... (none)
    to Oklahoma. My goodness is this man serious? He acts like it's "catching".

    If you repeat a lie, it becomes your truth. And if you repeat a lie often enough, you become a Republican. - Betty Bowers

    by fabooj on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 04:38:50 PM PDT

  •  It's obvious... (none)
    He's just pissed off because he can't watch.


  •  Tom Coburn is scared (none)
    of teenage girls.  Poor loser.

    "How is it that that's happened to us", Tom?  Well, I'm a heterosexual woman but I gotta say, if I found myself among males who were all of your ilk, I  could become a lady who likes ladies in about two seconds.  Maybe that's how it is that that's happened to you, Tom.

    "Good pitching will always stop good hitting, and vice versa." (Casey Stengel)

    by cinnamondog on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 04:47:47 PM PDT

  •  Wow (none)
    And I thought this whole anti-gay was just borne out of a fear of gay men. I mean really, I would think the idea of a few women in the sack wouldn't turn them off. Turns out they really DO fear lesbians!

    At least their consistent.  :rolleyes:

  •  He's scary, but at he seems to have integrity (none)
    I watched parts of that Meet the Press debate between Carson and Coburn.  I couldn't help being sympathetic to Coburn in some ways for being more of a straight shooter and less of a weasel.  Carson attacked Coburn for saying the Patriot Act was more dangerous to our liberty than terrorists are.  I agree with that--don't most of us here?  Then there was the issue of pork.  Coburn showed McCain-like bravery in saying he would oppose pork-laden spending bills even if they narrowly benefited Oklahoma--and Carson raked him over the coals for this, saying he'd always put Oklahoma first.  (An Oklahoma political reporter who appeared on Capital Gang noted that a lot of conservative Oklahomans would love to have Coburn in the Senate, just not representing their state!)

    And let's face it: in a state that goes so heavily for Bush, you have to be kind of a scam-artist weasel to win as a Democrat.  And Democrats like that will be good for voting for leadership positions, but are likely to let you down on a lot of votes.  Frankly, I'd rather let the GOP have states like those, if we could have properly blue states like Rhode Island and Maine in our camp.

    •  Disagree (none)
      I'll take every Dem I can get - there will be at least two new Supreme Court Justices appointed this term coming up.

      Canada - where a pack of smokes is ten bucks but a heart transplant is free.

      by dpc on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 04:59:41 PM PDT

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    •  agreed (none)
      I said this last week and got flamed massively.  Having people like Carson is what killed the Democratic majority of years past.  When Democrats failed to stand up for workers' rights or universal health care, the American people had no reason to keep them in power.
  •  OK I figured it out :) (none)
    Oklaphobia - [n]  prejudice against (fear or dislike of) Oklasexual people and Oklasexuality

    Truth gone to seed hurts, but well-cultivated ignorance is deadly.

    by cskendrick on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 04:59:53 PM PDT

  •  Is it true (none)
    that Coburn was the instigator of a plot to defraud medicare? I saw that line in one of the articles posted and I am kind of curious.

    "I distrust who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." -- Susan B. Anthony

    by Mouse85 on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 05:02:36 PM PDT

  •  That's not scary (none)
    that's laughable!

    I may not be that crazy about Carson but Coburn is a more out of touch with reality then Bush.

    "Do what you can, with what you have, where you are." - Theodore Roosevelt

    by Andrew C White on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 05:11:08 PM PDT

  •  How? (none)
    He says, "...How is it that that's happened to us?"

    I'll tell you how... Those boys in Oklahoma haven't been taught how to please a lady...

    Cheney those Cheneying Cheneyers!!!

    by Dmitri in San Diego on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 05:13:55 PM PDT

  •  My first thought was ... (none)
    don't tell Dr. Coburn about Northampton, MA ... :-)

    "Bush too evil even for me", Great Old One says

    by Jon Meltzer on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 05:14:53 PM PDT

  •  "How is it that that's happened to us?" (none)
    Excellent question, Tom -- exactly how is it that homophobic morons have been put in positions of power to implement inane policies like allowing only one girl to go to the bathroom at a time?
  •  Oklahoma and Texas are practically identical. (none)
    Oklahoma is Texas, just without major league sports teams.  Football and religion are tops, in no particular order.  You can't drive a block without seeing a Jesus fish and/or a OU football sticker on a bumper.  It is an ongoing battle against ignorance and we are losing.  We are in the top 3 in many dubious categories, like teenage pregnancies, divorce rate, lowest teacher pay.  

    We have arguably the worst Congressional delegation in the country.  All of them set the standard for wingnuttery.  I challenge anyone to name a worse senator than Jim Inhofe, but we keep re-electing the guy.  Amazing.  

  •  Wingnut 101 (none)
    Hate, lie and scare, stand for nothing and be against everything you don't understand or know first hand, its pure stupidity because there is an excuse for ignorance but not this type of attitude and agenda.
  •  Wait till he meets Santorum (none)
    You folks in OK owe it to the good Dr. Coburn not to send him to the U.S. Senate.  If he's that worked up about the local teenagers, he's going to have a real tough time dealing with all that man on dog action in the Senate's Republican caucus.

    Then again, I could be wrong, if you get my drift.

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