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Is China about to deliver Osama?

Thu Oct 21, 2004 at 09:06:00 AM PDT

Look, I don't know about the credibility of this source (El Mundo, http://www.el-mundo.es/cronica/2004/469/1097487207.html, translated by Information Clearing House, which seems to be a liberal "news" site, http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7077.htm).  But if it's true, this is the October Surprise.

Bin Laden is in China

This confirms Gordon Thomas, a journalist with contacts in the most important intelligence services. The terrorist had reached an agreement with China, which now negotiates its surrender with Bush. It is his greatest electoral trick.

Translated from El Mundo

Gordon Thomas

10/13/04 "El Mundo"  -- During the home stretch of the Northamerican elections, Osama bin Laden could prove to be the ace in the sleeve of president Bush. As we speak, Washington is negotiating a highly secretive agreement with Beijing, the Chinese capital, for the eviction of bin Laden from his sanctuary in the turbulent Muslim provinces of China, in the Northwest of the Great Wall nation.

More below the fold.

More than five million people, many of them fanatic followers of Osama, live in that region, which can be called one of the most volatile regions of Earth. Thousands of them work for the mafias who specialize in the trafficking of humans and drugs to the West. Last summer, Bin Laden sealed an agreement with the authorities in Beijing, in which he was granted asylum in return for his guarantees that the guerilla war of the Muslim Chinese against the Chinese nation would end.

Over the years, tens of thousands of troops of the Popular Liberation Armee had been sent to the region with the intent to squash the insurgents.

Since the arrival of the Saudi Osama Bin Laden, the region has been relatively quiet, and the Muslims who live there are allowed to continue their trafficking of humans and drugs.

However, Bin Laden could now see himself trapped in his refuge, if an extraordinary agreement between Beijing and Washington would come to pass, in which China would hand over to the United States the most wanted terrorist in the world.

The capture of Bin Laden would virtually guarantee the reelection of George Bush Jr., as it would confirm to the millions of undecided voters of the U.S. that the war against terrorism was judstified after Bin Laden had authorized the attacks of 9/11 against New York and Washington.

"A new administration Bush would present China as its great new ally in the war against terrorism. China would enjoy in Washington the status of a most favored nation with all of its facets. Contracts worth hundreds of millions of dollars would be approved by fast track. The history of human rights violations in China would be ignored," confirmed last week a high-level representative of the Pentagon. He added that only a small number of "members of very high rank" in the Bush administration knew about the plan to "seize Bin Laden in exchange for a special relationship with China." With almost certainty, among them would be the vice-president, Dick Cheney, and the defense secretary, Donald Rumsfeld.

Agreeing to speak under anonymity, the functionary offered details of the plan to capture Osama Bin Laden as a means to keep Bush in the White House. He explained that this is not the first time that an American administration has resorted to similar maneuvers during an electoral campaign.

Towards the end of the presidency of Jimmy Carter, a secret deal was signed between the then future president of the U.S., Ronald Reagan, and Iran, in which the American diplomats, who had been kidnapped in Teheran, the Capital of Iran, would be freed the very day that Ronald Reagan would be inaugurated to the White House.

According to Ari Ben-Menashe, the former national security advisor of the Israeli government of Yitzhak Shamir, " they paid an enormous sum of money to the Ayatollas of Iran." Ben-Menashe affirms that this deal formed a pivotal piece in the negotiations that later became known as Reagan's October surprise.

There is more to the article, but I won't bother reprint it.  You can follow the links to see the rest.

So, is this legitimate or am I worrying over nothing?

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  •  I think if China catches Bin Laden for us... (none / 0)

    it would deflate any chest pounding Bush could do.  China??!?
  •  Interesting (none / 1)

    It's interesting, but I doubt anyone here has any means of judging whether it's legitimate or not. It does read like it was written by someone with almost no understanding of American government, politics or history.

    But I don't know if that's a mark in its favor or against it.

    Act as if ye have faith and faith ye shall be given. In other words, fake it 'til you make it.

    by Cbal on Thu Oct 21, 2004 at 09:11:02 AM PDT

  •  China's Best Interest (4.00 / 2)

    Even assuming the above to be entirely true (and how could you, without some verification beyond personal paranoia?), how could it be in China's best interest to turn over bin Laden if he's keeping 5 million fanatic Muslims from starting a revolution?

    Done with politics for the night? Have a nice glass of wine with Two Days per Bottle.

    by dhonig on Thu Oct 21, 2004 at 09:11:36 AM PDT

    •  Unrest at Home (none / 0)

      Precisely. If the Chinese do this, they're going to be in serious trouble and they know it. Both domestic radical Muslims and foreign Islamic terrorists are going to be after them, and with their population density, they're going to be an even bigger target than the US. My crystal ball says "No way".

      Besides, isn't China currently really angry with the Bush administration over their refusal to initiate unilateral nuclear disarmnament talks with North Korea?

      •  Repression (none / 0)

        Of corse, the Chinese have always wanted to go into this region and crush it but have been held back in some part by fears of world condemnation of it's human rights violations and the subsequent impact those protestations could have on trade.

        Going after Bin Laden would give them a world acceptable reason to crush the resulting uprising.

    •  And why would they want to keep Bush... (none / 0)

      I am not sure the Chinese would agree that Bush is best for their relations with the U.S.  Clinton had much a more open relationship with China than Bush ever did.  I would think the Chinese would want a Kerry victory.

      George Bush is the architect of his own destruction.

      by lalawguy on Thu Oct 21, 2004 at 09:26:26 AM PDT

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      •  The Chinese government loves W (none / 0)

        due to his idiotic free-trade policies that give China a veto over the world economy.  

        John McCain's Something for Everyone Plan: Military draft for youth, SS benefit cuts for elderly, Middle Class destruction, stock market plunge for wealthy.

        by IhateBush on Thu Oct 21, 2004 at 10:48:52 AM PDT

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  •  Northwest China? (none / 0)

    60 for the Senate. Obama 08.

    by bornadem on Thu Oct 21, 2004 at 09:12:43 AM PDT

  •  Well..... (none / 0)

    The Weekly World News has all kinds of articles about China, but didn't pick this one up.

    Life ain't nothin' but a funny funny riddle- Thank God I'm a Unitarian!

    by scott on Thu Oct 21, 2004 at 09:13:02 AM PDT

  •  No (none / 0)

    See all the times this has previously been diaried.
  •  This Rumor Has Been Around (4.00 / 1)

    For a week now, and has been the subject of a number of diaries.  There is no reason to think there is anything to to this.  Personally, I find it extremely unlikely that the Chinese would find it necessary to placate restive Muslims.  Look at how they've treated the Tibetans, or the students in Tianeman(sp?) Square.  Aside from this, I tend to doubt that the Muslims in that region are particularly well disposed to Osama, or that it's even likely he could get there.  It's a long way from Tora Bora.

    Assuming he's alive, OBL is most likely in the tribal regions of Pakistan, where he does have millions of devoted followers, including members of the army and security services.  Alternatively, he might actually be in Saudi Arabia, under the protection of his family (no matter what they might think of him, blood is blood), and where the government undoubtedly does feel the need to placate both him and his followers.

    "L'enfer, c'est les autres." - Jean Paul Sartre, Huis Clos

    "L'enfer, c'est le GOP!" - JJB, from an idea by oratorio

    by JJB on Thu Oct 21, 2004 at 09:20:03 AM PDT

    •  OK, Thank you (none / 0)

      for calming me down a bit.  I hadn't seen any diaries on this so I wanted to make sure it got out there.

      Isn't a centrist just someone who doesn't have the balls to be a fanatic? -- Stephen Colbert

      by Muboshgu on Thu Oct 21, 2004 at 09:25:44 AM PDT

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      •  Rumor makes no sense at all (none / 0)

        Leave aside the "what would China's motivations be?" issue.  The simple logistics and functionality of it make no sense at all from anything bin Laden might conceivably want to do.  While we can't get into his head very well about many things, we certainly can about physical actions he would or would not take to ensure his own physical self-preservation (there's no reason to think he's suicidal as he urges on others to be).

        Bin Laden has no incentive whatsoever to want to get into China.  The westernmost provinces do indeed have substantial Muslim populations, but diluted somewhat by determined efforts at immigration of majority Han Chinese by the Beijing government in recent years -- specifically to keep down the Muslim percentages in that region, as they have done with Tibet (only more so).  Beijing has been ruthless at suppressing any sign of Islamic fundamentalism in those provinces, so bin Laden has to know there is nothing like a safe haven for him there.  And to get there, he would have had to go through anti-Islamic fundamentalism states like Kazakhstan.  

        As JJB pointed out, bin Laden already has a refuge which is as hard to penetrate and as welcoming as he's likely to find anywhere, in northwestern Pakistan.  As far as anyone in the West knows, he's been secreted there very effectively for the  past 2 1/2+ years.  What possible reason would he have to leave there, and go through countries hostile to him to get to one whose consummate hostility to the Muslim faith, let alone Islamic fundamentalism, has been so effective?

        Like I said, the whole story seems to have no basis in any rational motive bin Laden might have for his own self-preservation.  Even if he wants Bush to win because BushCo's policies are such effective recruiters for al Qaeda, that would hardly include turning himself over to the US for Bush's benefit.

        •  Chinese activites in Afghanistan circa 2001... (none / 1)

          I really don't think the China has Bin Laden, but I think that someones tied together other important things to draw this conclusion.  

          There have been persistent, and believable rumours that the Chinese paid Bin Laden to see Tomahawk missiles that failed to explode in Afghanistan.  I'm not sure it was Bin Laden, but it wouldn't suprise me the least if Chinese came into to Afghanistan to get a look a cruise missile technology.  The Chinese are experts at backengineering stealing technology.  The story was that Bin Laden and the Chinese had something like a Non-aggression pact over the Uighurs.  Maybe like the Saudis, the Chinese thought that sending their bad seed overseas was better than dealing with it at home.  Back in 2001, Chinese speaking Muslims were found fighting with Bin Laden in Afghanistan.  

          We don't know the full extent of Chinese dealings with Al Qaida, and its possible that the Chinese are playing with us and Bin Laden.  I don't trust the Chinese, and to tell you the truth I think that Beijing is a far greater danger to this country than Bin Laden ever will be.  People forget that the Chinese held 24 American servicemen hostage in April 2001.  When we ship jobs overseas we help the Chinese build up their war machine.  The Chinese like the North Koreans will sell almost anything to a customer with the money. It's this backstory that probably helped feed the idea Bin Laden is in China, and the Chinese are willing to give him up.

  •  OBL is dragging dialysis machine around China? (none / 0)

    Not bloody likely.

    My guess is OBL is dead, his body was burned, and his ashes were scattered so nobody could later find his remains and use it to "declare victory" over Al Queda.

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    by nyetsoup4you on Thu Oct 21, 2004 at 09:30:47 AM PDT

  •  Delete this (none / 0)

    This has been cited previously, and is unsubstantiated nonsense.   One could equally argue that the Burmese Govt was going to get the world to lift its sanctions by turning over OBL, or that...    etc.

    This is National Enquirer stuff, equivalent (or worse than) "UFOs ate my baby"

  •  Why? (none / 0)

    It seems pretty out there, but it certainly is within the realm of plausibility. Why delete it?
    "Let a hundred flowers bloom. Let a thousand schools of thought contend."

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