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OK-Sen: Brad Carson campaign stop in El Reno

Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 02:04:25 PM PDT

I went to a lunchtime campaign stop by Brad Carson in El Reno. It was very well attended -- not enough food or chairs. Good mix of people.

My purely personal take on the event follows. Bottom line: I left reassured that Brad is solidly Democrat, even if a lot more conservative than I'm used to voting for.

Brad started off talking about, and really made it his major point, the honor of the office, by which he meant that the person in the office should serve as a model of the type of person in the state. Implying -- well actually coming right out and saying -- that Tom Coburn would not lead the nation or the world to think that Oklahomans are very smart or responsible people. He went over some of the best known of Coburn's wacko statements, and said that was just the tip of the iceberg. He also emphasized how bad Coburn's record in the House was, how he did absolutely nothing for the state. "I'm not saying he could have done more," Brad said. "I'm saying he didn't do anything." He said unlike Coburn, he would not go to DC to promote his own agenda or mission, or think that he was right and the folks back home were wrong. He also quoted Coburn saying how getting more and better jobs for Oklahoma was not his (i.e., an elected official's)job. Jobs and roads are two big issues here.

He talked about the campaign being negative, with attack ads on both sides. He seemed sincerely to regret this, but said proudly "We gave as good as we got."

He highlighted how close the race was, and how we needed to talk to everyone about the stark contrast between the candidates. He talked about his mother who was a Yellow Dog Democrat, who only voted for a Republican once in her life, for Nixon instead of McGovern. Using her as an example, he said Republicans who wouldn't otherwise vote Dem should consider their vote carefully this year. They'll tell their grandchildren that they always voted GOP except in 2004 when for the good of the state they voted for the Democrat. This tickled folks in the audience quite a bit.

During the q & a session, a woman told a story about her sad situation, as an elderly widow of a recently deceased veteran who won't be eligible for his SS for five years, and who has to live on $550 a month. She's got a mental disorder and her treatment at a nearby health center has been dehumanizing and there's no monitoring of the services, which are not good. She started crying and so did a lot of the audience, including me. Brad listened carefully and promised he would do everything he could to help her situation. He went to her and hugged her before moving on to other questions.

Iraq, US intelligence gathering and security, health care coverage and jobs were other topics raised by questioners. He spoke on all of them briefly, but displaying understanding of the issues and concern. The last questioner asked if he would be strong enough to stand up to the idealogues -- on the left (Barbra Streisand and Steven Spielberg were her examples). Obviously he answered in the affirmative, but in a way that to me seemed to imply that he understood the question from another perspective (maybe I was reading into it??).

Quite a few folks wanted to take literature and yard signs with them as they left. They used all the yard signs they had brought and were giving people the signs that had been taped to the walls of the room.

As I walked across the parking lot to my car, I passed a white truck with Carson stickers and "Support our Troups" stickers on it. I thought, well, good, he's pulling in the ultra-patriotic conservative crowd. After almost two years here in Oklahoma now, I should have known better (99% of Oklahomans fit that description), but apparently I'm still thinking like an East Coast liberal. As I got in my car, I saw Brad walking alone to that truck, and getting in the driver's seat.

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  •  Support my big rightward stretch to vote for Brad (4.00 / 4)

    i.e. Tip Jar

    Okie? Join Sooner Kos. | Why Obama? Because we've never had a president whose name started with O.

    by gypsy on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 02:06:45 PM PDT

  •  I know this can be a tough case to support... (none / 0)

    ...but I also know Oklahoma isn't Washington state.  (My did some postgrad work at Oklahoma State when I was a kid...)

    Best of luck.

    God gave us his own child as a sacrifice. Bush wants to take yours...

    by Palamedes on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 02:14:25 PM PDT

  •  Thanks for the report (none / 0)

    and the nice pic!

    As another East Coast Liberal (I grew up on OK and returned last year after 13 years), I'm starting to warm up to Carson. I was always going to vote for him (must retake Congress), but he always looked a little too conservative to me on paper.

    Out of curiousity, you mentioned that the event was well-attended. About how many people were there? Press?

    "Science is defined by how you ask the question, not the question you ask."

    by themis on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 02:16:12 PM PDT

    •  Attendance (none / 0)

      I'd say there were about 60-70 people, including about 15-20 students (the event was at Redlands Community College) who were "forced" to attend for extra credit (which Brad joked about). There was one guy there with a professional quality camera taking pictures, but I talked to him after and he was just a citizen, not press. If there was a reporter there from the local bi-weekly paper, the El Reno Tribune, I didn't see them. I saw one young person taking notes, who may or may not have been with the school paper.

      Okie? Join Sooner Kos. | Why Obama? Because we've never had a president whose name started with O.

      by gypsy on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 02:22:31 PM PDT

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  •  Carson's seat: OK-2 (none / 0)

    I haven't lived in OK for 2 years.  Am I correct in assuming that State Sen. Dan Boren (son of OU President, former Oklahoma Baptist University professor, US Senator and governor and longtime allegedly closeted homosexual David Boren) will easily keep OK-2 blue?

    -6.88, -6.72. The truth will set you free. But first it will piss you off.

    by Lucky Ducky on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 02:18:48 PM PDT

  •  Good recap, thanks (none / 0)

    Since Zell is retiring, think of a Carson win as a Dem to the left of Zell taking over for him.

    Between Breaux and Zellot retiring, even if Knowles and Carson win, our delegation would actually move a bit left.

    (-2.38, -3.28) Independent thinker

    by TrueBlueDem on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 02:20:09 PM PDT

  •  Damn (none / 0)

    I wish I ... Well, no, I don't wish I lived in Oklahoma.  Already put in my first 18 years in Texas.  But I sure as hell wish I could vote for Brad Carson.

    NB to non-Southwesterners - the progressives in that region are amazing.  They have to be, because they've been fired in a truly hot kiln.  Remember Congresswoman Barbara Jordan?  She represented a district in Houston.  Remember Sarah Weddington?  She argued Roe v. Wade.  Texan.  And there's Ann Richards and ...

    You can tell you have created God in your own image when it turns out that he or she hates all the same people you do. - Anne Lamott

    by javelina on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 02:20:23 PM PDT

  •  the clothspins for Carson campaign (none / 1)

    some people I know here are voting for Carson but they are letting the Carson people know through an email campaign how they feel about some of his positions.  So far 199 people have sent emails to the campaign following the instructions at  this site.
    •  Interesting (none / 0)

      I know that another progressive group, RRDP, was really upset by an ad Brad ran in which he pretty much labeled liberals as dangerous and evil. I found the ad disheartening and it made it impossible to convince my progressive friends to vote for him; they will be making their vote for the independent, Bilyeau.

      I spoke to his staff about it and they tried to convince me he didn't believe it. But I've heard them do the same tap dance while talking to conservative Republicans about Brad. That's politics, I guess, but it's really put me off.

      I'm still voting for him, but in the future, I'm putting my time and energy in building a progressive community here and not putting too much hope in the Democratic Party per se.

      Okie? Join Sooner Kos. | Why Obama? Because we've never had a president whose name started with O.

      by gypsy on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 02:43:28 PM PDT

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    •  Wow (none / 0)

      I had no idea about this group - excellent link. If nothing else, it's great to know that there are more than 6 progressives here in OK :)

      I've bookmarked the link and will peruse it in depth. But at first glance, even the tag line is fantastic... "Hold your nose and be counted"

      "Science is defined by how you ask the question, not the question you ask."

      by themis on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 02:57:41 PM PDT

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      •  OK progressive movement (none / 0)

        I'm going to start collecting names and info. I've seen quite a few on Kos and we need to band together and get to work.

        Okie? Join Sooner Kos. | Why Obama? Because we've never had a president whose name started with O.

        by gypsy on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 03:03:39 PM PDT

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        •  Count me in (none / 0)

          And my hubby.

          Given the general disorganization of the state Dem party here, I've even had trouble finding a way to volunteer. Its amazing.

          If I'm going to continue to live here (need to find job), I want to continue my activism.

          "Science is defined by how you ask the question, not the question you ask."

          by themis on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 03:09:59 PM PDT

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      •  Dodd and Sullivan (none / 0)

        I'm the author of the Clothespins for Carson site.  Yes, we need to vote for Carson (pee-yew!), but there is another race that has heated up, thanks to the idiocy of the incumbent and the decency of the challenger.  Doug Dodd (d) is running for the seat held by John Sullivan (r).  Sullivan has stuck his foot in his mouth repeatedly, and now faces a run for his money.

        I went to a Halloween parade in Tulsa yesterday, and got photos of his sophomoric behavior.  Take a look!  And spread the word.

  •  Chesapeake Energy funding Coburn (none / 0)

    I just remembered something Brad pointed out: Two owners of "Chesapeake Energy" are funding the worst of the Coburn ads attacking Carson. Anyone know what this company is? He suggested that if Coburn wins, they will pretty much own him. If the worst happens, we need to follow that lead.

    Okie? Join Sooner Kos. | Why Obama? Because we've never had a president whose name started with O.

    by gypsy on Thu Oct 28, 2004 at 03:28:15 PM PDT

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