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GREAT NEWS from the Washington Post.  GOTV is kicking ass:

There are no statewide totals of early voters, and votes will not be counted until polls close on Election Day. But some counties have made numbers available, and Democrats appear to be considerably outstripping Republicans in turnout -- significantly, in the belt of counties across the state's midsection, from St. Petersburg to Orlando, the prime battleground for swing voters.

In Orange County, home to Orlando with a 5 percent Democratic edge in registration, 50,839 early votes had been cast by Friday morning -- 48 percent of them Democrats and 33 percent Republicans. In Pinellas County, home to St. Petersburg, where Republicans have a slight edge in registration, Democrats have a slight edge in early voters. In heavily Democratic Broward County, almost 130,000 votes were cast, with no party breakdown; and in Miami-Dade, almost 180,000.

48-33 in prime battleground territory, folks.  More after the break.

Mindy Tucker Fletcher, a GOP strategist, said the Democratic advantage in early voters is irrelevant because Republicans have a bigger advantage in absentee ballots.  

But Colleen Murphy, a Republican official in Orange County, posted an alarmist message on the party's Web site about the intensity and numbers of Democrats casting early ballots there.  

"I want to tell you, it's been a culture shock," she wrote. "If you don't get yourselves out of your routines and your comfort zones and do what is necessary to support the president between now and November 2, I'm afraid we're all in for a little culture shock that will last beyond the next four years."

And check out this beautiful anecdote:

Knocking on doors in the upscale Pebble Creek neighborhood in northern Hillsborough County, two ACT canvassers found Wednesday that well over half their target audience had voted. One woman answered her door wearing an "I voted early" sticker, flashed a thumbs-up and said, simply, "Yes!"  

Republicans began an intensive canvass Thursday night, with swarms of volunteers deployed to GOP precincts. Matt Strength, who chairs the University of South Florida's College Republican chapter, knocked on more than two dozen doors in a precinct that voted 68 percent for Bush in 2000 and where the GOP hopes to get 72 percent this year. Only four voters were home, and all promised to vote, but none had voted early. "I went three times and the lines were too long," one woman said.

Fuck OBL. We're taking our country back.

Originally posted to existenz on Fri Oct 29, 2004 at 09:13 PM PDT.

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  •  I Love Good News (4.00)
    I hope you do too. Now GOTV!!!
    •  I can't believe this was recommended (2.38)
      No offense please, but there's a reason why pre-releasing those numbers is not good for us.

      GOTV. We don't need any news that allows folks to think they can stay home. They can't.

      We all love good news, but the only fucking news we need to hear is to vote cause your life depends on it.

      Also, this isn't even good news, it's misleading news. There is no indication that early voting samples reflect a trend. None.

      I know I sound like a buzzkill, but breaking champaigne before you've actually won is premature and generally bad luck. Save the elation for after we do win, if we win.

      This is a jinx. I would delete this diary and stop contributing to our defeat.

      "I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully." George Bush

      by TocqueDeville on Fri Oct 29, 2004 at 10:50:05 PM PDT

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      •  asdf (none)
        "GOTV. We don't need any news that allows folks to think they can stay home. They can't."

        I doubt the crowd reading this here is going to decide such a course of action.  Besides, the more people who've voted early, the more people are free on Tuesday to tell others to vote.

      •  Yeah, let's stick to bad news (4.00)
        Sorry, I guess I missed the memo about posting stories that might give "aid and comfort" to the enemy. In the future I will write diaries about how we are doomed.

        But really, if you want those stories, go to FreeRepublic. This is DailyKos. We know we're gonna win. We know it's not gonna be easy. But fuck -- when a major paper like Washington Post says our GOTV efforts are kicking butt, shouldn't we discuss it?

        You say early voting doesn't reflect a trend. What are you talking about? If Democrats are out there voting in massive numbers while Republicans keep putting it off, doesn't that tell you something?

        Why don't you go write your diary about how Bush has already won. That will keep Republicans home on election day, because we know they are reading this site and deciding whether to vote based on what is in the Recommended Diaries list. Then when your secret reverse-psychology plot works we will all praise your brilliance.

        •  Come on now (3.00)
          That's not what I was saying. Perhaps I'm too superstitious. But I just think it's bad luck to count your chickens before they hatch.

          But I know what you mean about the need for some cheer. And I'm one of the ones who thinks the video might actually help Kerry.

          It is a proven fact though that pre-releasing poll data affects turnout. This is why the networks and AP -who's conducting exit polling this year- have agreed to not release their results until all the polls close.

          You're right I'm a big buzzkill, but I'm right about Pug turnout. We want them to think they're winning.

          Then we spring from the darkness. Like a Cobra. Hsss. Hsss.

          No hard feeling I hope.

          "I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully." George Bush

          by TocqueDeville on Fri Oct 29, 2004 at 11:54:48 PM PDT

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          •  No hard feelings (4.00)
            We're all in this together. We're all entitled to our opinions. And as somebody who has been incredibly superstitious in the past, I understand where you are coming from.

            I'm not trying to claim victory or count chickens here. It's simply a progress report, not a final report card. That doesn't come until Tuesday night. But we are making progress, good progress, and I think it is worth noting.

            •  I hear ya (3.66)
              I really need to go back to the therapeutic cat blogging thread. I was so relaxed over there.

              Nothing but lovely kitties. George who? Diebold what?

              "I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully." George Bush

              by TocqueDeville on Sat Oct 30, 2004 at 12:08:13 AM PDT

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              •  Political Cats (Humor) (none)

                Dump Delay and Blunt - UnDelay and UnBlunt.

                by i dunno on Sat Oct 30, 2004 at 03:55:10 AM PDT

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              •  Puncture the Karl Rove Reality Distortion Field (4.00)
                Good news is good for us:

                Good news like this helps puncture the supposed "inevitability" of a Bush win.

                Good news like this helps puncture the supposed "invincability" of Karl Rove, et al.

                Good news like this helps puncture the "in the end, they'll steal it at any cost" meme.

                Good news like this helps puncture the whole "polling" farce.

                Good news wont hurt our GOTV efforts because nobody thinks it will be easy for Kerry to win.

                As for the enemy... they've already pulled out all the stops.... so it's high time for them to freak out --- let them dispair, let them try harder, let them get desperate, let them make even more mistakes -- as their con game crumbles and the rats flee the sinking ship. (Goopers endorsing Kerry (Eisenhower & Reagan heirs, and many others) and Goopers distancing themselves by giving luke-warm assistance (Terminator, McCain, and many others) foreshadow the benefits we'll reap.

                With less than 4 days to go, the timing is perfect for a rising momentum of good news.

              •  Hoffmania did cute cat-blogging (none)
                Back during the debates, did a great piece on cat blogging. Every time Cheney said something ridiculous, the author would put up a picture of a cute kitty (to reduce the blood pressure). But it went so bad he finally photoshopped the photo into a crazed cute kitty. Great fun.
          •  yes, but (none)
            It is generally the case that whoever is losing has their voters turnout depressed and whoever is ahead doesn't.  I understand, I'm pretty superstitious about things like this too.  But I don't think it will hurt Kerry and it might hurt Bush.

            Rules are good. Break them.

            by KariQ on Sat Oct 30, 2004 at 04:42:00 AM PDT

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          •  I'm jumping in late for what it's worth, (none)
            but this election is going to be determined by those with a real passion for their candidate. Those willing to get out early, those willing to stand on line. Nothing is going to stop those that really want to cast their votes this year. The Dems have the passion, the Dems will stand on the long lines, the Dems will continue to vote no matter what the early polls are saying.

            In fact talk of long lines or Kerry leading in the early polls will probably work to keep the fence sitting repubs at home.

            This news from Florida just excites like crazy and I live in CA where I'm dying to cast my one little vote in a state that's going to show very deep blue.

            I am angry that so many sons of the powerful and well-placed ... managed to wrangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units - Colin Powell

            by Pescadero Bill on Sat Oct 30, 2004 at 08:54:10 AM PDT

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      •  This is public information .... (4.00)
        It is in the friggin Washington Post. Its not information which came out of internal Dem polls.   IMHO its easiest to run fast when you think the wind is kissing your back.
        So I'm recommending this diary.
      •  What??? (none)
        This shows the positive resutls of the massive gotv effort down here.

        I voted yesterday in Tampa in the Heart of the African American community.  People waited 3 hours to vote - there was a HUGE turnout.

        I talled to an election official - as of Thursday night about 80,000 has already voted in Hillsborogh County.  In 2000, 250,000 voted in the general election - so about 25% had already voted.  By election day, my guess more than half will have voted - and turnout will be way over 2000.

        Its all good news.  It will make our people work harder!

      •  I don't know about recommending it but (4.00)
        just because you are confident about the game doesn't mean that you don't play it.

        I'm 51 yo teacher, and donated way more money than I could afford, have health problems for which I was hospitalized a month ago,  but I volunteer last week in the evening, and now I'm waking up (albeit slowly) to gotv in south Broward county, FL.

        Stories like this one are just stating facts. Here in Florida, we are dead serious about voting. What is not being televised is just how strong the support is for Kerry.  Kerry gets huge crowds and Bush's numbers do not even come near them. With slight editing, this story needs to get out.  The press sure isn't reporting it. Well gotta go canvass.

    •  Oh yeah, (none)
      Thanks for contributing to Republican turnout. You wanna get Pugs to the polls in Florida? Tell em we're winning.

      Geez, think people.

      "I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully." George Bush

      by TocqueDeville on Fri Oct 29, 2004 at 10:52:15 PM PDT

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      •  hey, go easy on existenz... (4.00)
        This is published in the freaking Washington Post, for christ's sake! The data are out there  all over the public domain. And if the Repugs think this will stimulate higher GOP turnout, they will use it themselves.

        No one is celebrating early, no one is getting complacent. There are many caveats in the comments here.

        But we can use a little good news around here (OBL is the new Mary Cheney...)

        This is also great feedback that the GOTVE (Get out the vote early!) efforts are working and so we should keep using this strategy.

        Oh, and then there's the possibility that this will demoralize the fuckhead wingnuts and possibly depress their turnout. Never know...

        Cowboy George's a major player in the cowboy scene, goes to the Reservation, drinks and gets mean, he's gonna start a war...--borrowed from Modest Mouse

        by pacific city on Fri Oct 29, 2004 at 11:19:16 PM PDT

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        •  Thanks (4.00)
          I guess DeToqueville wants to keep talking about how OBL has ruined our chances for victory. That kind of loser mentality will only lead to ruin. Go read TPM and see Josh Marshall's analysis of this mindset to see what I mean.

          Not once have I stated in this diary that the race is in the bag or that Florida is locked up. I'm just reporting that so far, we are ahead.  Turnout is at record levels, which helps our side. This is what we've been hoping for all year. I don't think we should wait until Nov. 3rd to reflect on our winning strategies. If you visualize winning, you make yourself a winner.

          As far as my motivation for posting this diary, it was simple. Today has been plagued by OBL panic, all of it uncalled for. This WaPo article was a breath of fresh air. Obviously this diary received quite a few recommendations, not because this gives motivation to lazy Republicans in Florida but because it gives motivation to thousands of Kossacks engaged in GOTV efforts across the nation.

          •  Ya'll might be right (none)
            Maybe I'm being overly cautious. I just have a rule. Never take the victory dance until the victory.

            I didn't realize this was a Post story. If I had, I would have been pissed at the post for helping turn out Republicans in Florida.

            But you guys are right to point out that this is not a big deal and perhaps I'm over-reacting. I should have been on meds weeks ago.

            I'm sure this election will end up killing me. No matter who wins.


            "I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully." George Bush

            by TocqueDeville on Sat Oct 30, 2004 at 12:04:05 AM PDT

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            •  That's just ridiculous (none)
              When the Repubs think they're winning they don't keep it under their hats, but we should?

              This "don't jinx it!" mentality is silly.  Nobody's counting their chickens, but there's nothing wrong with celebrating good indications.

              I also think there is a giant motivational difference between the repugs and the dems this year and good dem news isn't going to motivate the way good repug news motivates dems (oh wait, DOES it?  Or does it discourage democrats?)

      •  That is just a silly post (none)
        Dems are working their butts off - and it is all over the news down here.  Its the LEAD story on the evening news.  It's on the front page of my paper.

        You think this diary is going to make one bit a difference?

        Here is the message of the diary - GOTV works.  And we are doing it in a major way.

        Get off your couch and grab a phone or a clipboard and help!

  •  Love it love it love it (4.00)
    Hot damn I cant wait for all this to be over so I can quit popping pepto bismol.

    In the midst of life we are in debt, etc.

    by ablington on Fri Oct 29, 2004 at 09:13:35 PM PDT

    •  Recommend (4.00)
      If you want to share this great story with others, recommend the diary. I think many here on Kos need a pick me up after the behavior of the pundits today.

      This is GOTV weekend. The final stretch. Nothing like a success story to get us all more motivated.

      •  No, I think many here (4.00)
        need a swift kick in the ass to stop acting like the sky is falling each time something is not perfect. B/c frankly good news is bad here, bad news is worse and horrible news is the end of the world- still this is some excellent news coming out of FL and all that needs to be said is Lets Keep it Up
      •  I recommend (4.00)
        if for nothing else but to push the Osama story out of the recommended sections. I don't want him scaring the children any more than they already are. I was in NYC on Sept 11th. It was a horrible day. Most of us were immobilized by grief. But I'll never forget that there were 3 immigrant Mexican construction workers feverishly across the street from me that didn't stop working for a minute that day to look at the burning buildings. They had their job to do. They knew the world was not ending that day but their job might if they stopped working.  I often think of them when I get distracted. Keep focused, keep positive and keep working folks. The finish line is a couple of days away and the reward is nothing less than the endurance of democracy.

        We're not scaremongering, this is really happening

        by Karma Mechanic on Fri Oct 29, 2004 at 11:42:57 PM PDT

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  •  I love Ms. Fletcher's comment (4.00)
    about how Republicans have an advantage in absentee ballots.

    Hmmm-- is she so confident because the repubs are planning massive absentee ballot fraud this year, which repub elections officials in certain counties will conveniently overlook?

    Far be it from me to doubt the integrity of a republican!

    •  Republicans are too lazy (4.00)
      They are too lazy to make it to the polls, and to be honest half of them aren't that enthused about Bush. That last anecdote showed that, with the woman too tired to go vote.

      If one side is tired and the other side (our side) is energized, guess who's gonna win?


      This will be a major reality check for the pollsters and pundits. MAJOR reality check.

      •  Pollsters and Pundits (4.00)
        This will be a major reality check for the pollsters and pundits. MAJOR reality check.

        I am a strong believer in Vedic (Indian Astrology).  The woman who wrote her prediction (Kerry Win) also said that (without the major reality part, but you get the drift).

        She also said that nothing short of a bin Laden capture - a tape doesn't count - could save Bush this time.

    •  We're winning FL by too much. (4.00)
      GOP fraud tactics, at most, only amount to tens of thousands. Sounds like we might win by hundreds of thousands, if not millions. Gallup, ABC, FAUX, etc. are going to be in for the shock of their lifetime.
    •  Not a huge deal (none)
      Republicans always have a pretty large advantage in absentee voting - but they also historically have an advantage in early voting too. The fact that we're beating them there - handily - is a great sign.

      -- Help put this ad on the air! --

      by fwiffo on Fri Oct 29, 2004 at 09:31:38 PM PDT

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      •  Do we even know they have an absentee advantage? (4.00)
        There's no evidence of it, just some person saying it.  Does she even know?  Sounds like blowing smoke to me.  

        In Britain they admit to having royalty. In the United States we pretend we don't have any, and then we elect them president.

        by Asak on Fri Oct 29, 2004 at 09:42:44 PM PDT

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        •  I think they figure (none)
          on an overwhelming majority in military absentee ballots. It may not happen this year. Lotta troops are pissed off.

          "If I pay a man enough money to buy my car, he'll buy my car." Henry Ford

          by johnmorris on Fri Oct 29, 2004 at 10:42:46 PM PDT

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          •  aoeu (none)
            Yes, but their ballots are being faxed in the open to the DoD who then pass them onto the several States.

            Sounds like a great plan eh?

            Gleeful Box Turtles
            finally get to see the
            Red Sox win it all.

            by TealVeal on Fri Oct 29, 2004 at 11:16:03 PM PDT

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            •  Given everything else (none)
              that has been leaking from the Pentagon this year, any  hanky panky with the absentees will be headline news on Monday morning. Some Major in the AG corps will slip it to the Washington Post and Rumsfields spokesman will be forced to re do the whole thing in the light of day. They would dare but they won't get away with it. Witness the Tora Bora story yesterday. Tommy Franks is out saying Kerry got it wrong and the intelligence report saying he got it right hits the papers the next day. Its not just 11B PFC's who are pissed.

              "If I pay a man enough money to buy my car, he'll buy my car." Henry Ford

              by johnmorris on Sat Oct 30, 2004 at 07:26:28 AM PDT

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    •  Yeah (none)
      I've been wondering what they'll do with all those absentee ballots they bagged...
      •  Yeah (none)
        I hope voting officials take a close look when they start receiving tens of thousands of ballots that contain a vote for Bush and Martinez and nothing else. Tom Delay's staff only has one week to get through filling out 58,000 stolen absentee votes.
    •  Is she talking (none)
      traditionally or this election?  I think a lot of Dems have voted absentee this year.

      Proud member of the reality-based community.

      by Unstable Isotope on Sat Oct 30, 2004 at 06:14:27 AM PDT

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  •  Whom are the other 19% voting for? (none)
    Nader? Badnarik? Other random local candidates? No one? Or are they misvotes that won't be counted?
    •  It's party ID (none)
      That means the people voting are broken down as follows:

      48% Democrats
      33% Republicans
      19% Independents

      Even if Independents split 50-50 for each candidate (unlikely, since they will probably swing towards Kerry), that would break down to:

      58% Kerry
      42% Bush
      1% Other

      Even if Republicans do have the absentee advantage (which isn't certain), there's no way they can overcome a sixteen point deficit.

      •  Caveat (none)
        But remember this is just one county, Orange County. And it's early voting. But it clearly demonstrates that we are getting out the vote like gangbusters.
        •  But this is the swingiest county of the State (none)
          The I-4 corridor has been repeatedly named as key.

          "the Interstate 4 corridor, a group of 14 counties, including Polk, that stretch across Florida's center and often hold the key to success in statewide elections. The theory is if you can rise to the top in the I-4 corridor, a rapidly growing region that is highly competitive for both parties and is notorious for its swing voters, you should be able to do well elsewhere in the state."
          - from a local newspaper the Lakeland Ledger

          "Orlando is slap-bang in the middle of the so-called "I-4 corridor", the line of Florida cities running along Interstate Highway 4 from Daytona Beach on the Atlantic coast to Tampa Bay on the Gulf of Mexico. The I-4 corridor is regarded as the hinge on which the outcome of the presidential election in Florida will swing, and Orlando - with surrounding Orange County - is considered the corridor's bellwether city.

          So this is the key swing city in the key swing region of the key swing state that will determine whether or not George Bush wins another four years in the White House"
          - from the Independent 10/27


          •  I agree (none)
            a 16% gap with 25% of eligible voters already voted is almost insurmountable.  We need to make sure we have massive turnout in the Dem areas too, to overcome Republicans, absentee (if indeed it favor Republicans, which I don't buy) and Jeb antics.

            Proud member of the reality-based community.

            by Unstable Isotope on Sat Oct 30, 2004 at 06:16:36 AM PDT

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    •  asdf (none)
      we don't know who anybody voted for. The other 19% are independents. However, it is not unreasonable to assume that an overwhelming majority of D voters voted for Kerry (as Rs voted overwhelmingly for "Bush), if FL polling is any guide.

      Ben P

      The United States has a conservative political culture defending a liberal heritage. The modern Republican Party's problem is that it is neither.

      by Ben P on Fri Oct 29, 2004 at 09:24:44 PM PDT

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      •  Loyalty (none)

        Nationally, typically, Bush pulls 12% of Democrats, Kerry pulls 9% of Republicans.

        So move 3 points from the K to the B column here ... still an impressive jump from a 5% to a 10% lead ... and that's benchmarking it with the final vote last time, not last time's early vote (which likely leaned R).

        If Rs don't want to line up for an hour now, are they going to want to wait in line 4 hours on Tuesday. Nope.

    •  They're independents (none)
      The reports are by registration, not by who they voted for. The votes aren't counted up until election day.
  •  Execution in Central Florida (3.83)
    If you're not here, you can't begin to understand the incredible precision with which our strategy is being executed.  I would not be surprised to see Orange and Osceola Counties go 54% or more for K/E.

    I just sat in on a strategy meeting with two dozen staffers working the I-4 corridor.  The number of events and voters being reached is astounding.

    You can send the lawyers home - we're going to win comfortably here.  (But let's keep the lawyers around just in case...)

    Bottom line: You should feel great about what is happening here in Florida.

    ~Liberal in the best sense of the word~

    by Lucky Ducky on Fri Oct 29, 2004 at 09:20:27 PM PDT

    •  Awesome...just don't get overconfident (none)
      just go back a few weeks...remember the Yankees?

      The better the numbers, the harder we need to work to GOTV.

      Thanks for your efforts.

    •  Same story in Tampa (none)
      Awesome excecution in Tampa.

      Yesterday the campaign was drving a number of people to the polls for early voting.  They handed out water and cookies to people waiting in line.

      Just awesome.

  •  Just the beginning (4.00)
    "...that will last beyond the next four years."

    She's got that right! We are swarming everywhere! Kossacks can't be stopped!

  •  Not to rain on the parade... (none)
    but there's some sampling error here.  

    Democrats are much more likely to visit Florida polls early than Republicans are.  This is because we were the ones who got shafted in 2000 by Republican election-day shenanigans in Florida.  This explains why Democratic turnout is so much higher than Republican turnout for the early voting.

    It is encouraging, though, to see that many of our people are hitting the polls early and avoiding the crew of GOP intimidators that will be making trouble on Election Day.  

    •  Sure (none)
      But I think that just speaks to how much more motivated Democrats are in this election in general.  And that can only be good for turnout.

      If you're a moderate Republican, on the other hand, can you see yourself getting too excited about waiting in line to vote for this guy?

      •  Exactly (none)
        If we are more motivated to go vote early, I think that translates into extra motivation on Election Day. It's not like Nov. 2nd will arrive and Democrats will say "ah, who cares?" while those Republicans storm the polling places.

        Enthusiasm is key to GOTV. And this shows it is definitely on our side. Only fringe wingnuts are as enthused to vote as the large majority of Democrats.

    •  Actually, several posts from people there (none)
      say that you are wrong- belief don't make it true. From what they say the numbers are such that if Kerry is lucky he will have racked up 100 k in places like Miami above what Bush will get and this means Bush will have to make up those votes somewhere in the state- mostly int he less populated areas- and the turn out on election day itself is expected to be high. I remember for myself Bush won in FL (forgetting all teh Gore won v. Bush won b/c of the ct) b.c. of absentee ballots by th emilitary and the like. Also, this time more of the AA vote gets counted. a lot of factors why you are wrong but its late so trust me :)
      •  The military vote (none)
        Actually, the military vote only netted Bush a few hundred votes, maybe a few thousand total. Only in an election decided by a few hundred votes would that make a difference again. I think the difference will be much larger this year, whichever way it tilts.
        •  And many of those military votes were hinky (none)
          but thanks to Joe Lieberman, re-allowed after being disallowed.

          Do you honestly think the military vote will be greater for Bush this time around after the way these guys have been shafted?

          The cabal may very well screw with them, but at least they're paper records which can be verified.

    •  Different (4.00)
      It's different than the norm.  Democrats do not beat Republicans in early voting when using past years as a guide, the fact this year we are showing signs of beating them mightily is reason for a parade.  It doesn't matter that there aree reason it was expected, it matters that it's happening.

      "But your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore"--Prine

      by Cathy on Fri Oct 29, 2004 at 10:52:29 PM PDT

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    •  also, all these early votes (4.00)
      are votes in the bank

      people who can be checked off

      less of a burden on election day

      We could wind up with a situation where, with 3 hours left to polling, there's no one left to get out the vote.  Just ACT people sitting around, looking for stray democrats.  would be beautiful

      We gonna charge, we gonna stomp, we gonna march through the swamp. We gonna mosh through the marsh, take us right through the doors

      by slapshot57 on Fri Oct 29, 2004 at 10:56:30 PM PDT

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    •  Not to downplay your wounds ... (4.00)
      "Democrats are much more likely to visit Florida polls early than Republicans are.  This is because we were the ones who got shafted in 2000 by Republican election-day shenanigans in Florida."

      The plain fact is that we all got shafted by those Repub shenanigans.  And there are 1100+ dead Americans and (according to The Lancet) 100,000+ Iraqis who got shafted far worse than we did (death being the ultimate shafting).

  •  Absentee ballots (3.83)
    Republicans have historically had a big advantage in absentee ballots in Florida because they've always stressed them.

    But this year, Democrats stressed absentee ballots just as much if not more than the GOP (because they want there to be a paper trail).

    I doubt those absentees will result in much of a gain for the GOP... they could even result in a loss.

  •  Question.... (none)
    because every state does it a little different from others. Are they counting absentees and early voters already so their votes will be available Tuesday night?

    If they aren't being counted until after polls close then the initial vote totals could very well be pro Bush because so many Dems have already voted but not yet counted. Exit polls are already inaccurate because of the tremendous early vote this year.

    In Nebraska we count the absentees during election day and thus have most of them reported when the polls close.

    •  Possible (none)
      But I doubt it. Do you mean that after polls close on election day, the initial returns will show a Bush win?

      That's only possible if they count absentee ballots, but not the early voters.  If they include pro-Republican absentees and these pro-Democratic early voters, then it will either be a tie or a Kerry advantage.

      But I don't care what the initial returns say. As long as the final numbers are in our favor, that's all that matters.

  •  Awesome!! Recommended! n/t (none)
  •  Oregon Report (4.00)
    It isn't just Florida.  I'm in Oregon, where we're all vote-by-mail.  Half of Multnomah (Portland) County voters' ballots have already arrived at the elections office.  Multnomah is overwhelmingly Democratic.  The second big Democratic county, Lane (Eugene), has already gotten 54% of their ballots to their elections office.  There's no breakdown by party, but this is huge.  Expect well over 80%, possibly 90% turnout in Oregon.  And Oregon is definitely going for Kerry.

    By the way, our streets in my Democratic neighborhood are positively festooned with big "VOTE NOW!" signs, which have replaced all the giant "VOTE EARLY!" signs posted before.  I've gotten three telephone calls and two door-knocks already, asking me to vote early.  I just did.

  •  "Matt Strength"? (none)
  •  Intensity ... (none)
    Is the key message here.  The big unknown in this election has not been which way the handful of remaining undecideds will jump, but which side will be more energized to bring out its base.

    This is a way positive indicator!

    -- Rick Robinson

    John Kerry - Elitist New England Liberal Mekong Delta River Rat

    by al Fubar on Fri Oct 29, 2004 at 09:55:28 PM PDT

  •  Winning Bigger in Miami Dade? (4.00)
    According to a Miami Herald/Zogby Poll, Dade County, Florida's most populous county, went 53-46 for Gore in 2000. It's polling now at 54-41 Kerry, MOE 3.6%.  This approximates a 90-100,000 vote differential, far more than Gore's 40,000, and difficult for Bush to pick up elsewhere in the State.

    Feel free to ignore the articles conclusion 53-46 and 54-41 means "the numbers remain almost the same."

    •  Just read that poll (4.00)
      Some juicy quotes...

      "The Herald poll shows Sen. John Kerry winning Miami-Dade County with 54.3 percent of the vote to 41.5 for Bush. Four percent are undecided....Splitting those undecided voters down the middle, Kerry goes to 56 percent, Bush to 43 and Ralph Nader will end up with less than 1 percent."

      Falls right in line with the Diary

      "If Kerry wins Miami-Dade County 56 to 43, then the likelihood of him winning Florida is very high....A margin that large in Florida's most populous county would be hard for Bush to make up across the rest of the state.Now I realize if the poll's margin of error were to fall in the president's favor, Kerry would beat Bush, 53 to 46 percent (instead of 56-43). But even then, because of new voters, Kerry would still walk away with 50,000 more votes than Bush."

      You could see this coming all summer with all the registrations. that's why the GOP is going to try to clog up the polls. It may not work out so well for them if there continues to be a huge turn out.

      Maybe just maybe there won't be a Jeb!-job this time.

  •  You can be sure... (none)
    ...that the evil empire is redoubling its efforts. No matter where you are, get out and do it. I'm in safely-blue California, and I'm going all out for a congressional candidate with a double-digit registration disadvantage.

    If we see this kind of nationwide groundswell from Democrats, we'll get seats like these and take back the damn House, too. We just have to make it happen.

  •  The Republicans screwed up on early voting. (none)
    I have friends who live in Seminole county, next door to Orange.  They have 1 early voting site in the whole county.  Orange has several.  We're beating them to the punch here.  
  •  Counting Absentee Ballots (none)
    Here in California we must have our absentee ballots received at the Registrar's Office by 5 PM Election Day, so they should be mailed by Saturday to be sure they are delivered by Tuesday.  The voter can also turn the absentee ballot into any precint on election day. The paper absentee ballots are hand placed through scanners, which can take days, so the actual vote count for California will not be completed Tuesday night.  Only the electronic votes will be completed soemtime Tuesday night.

    In the past, results for local election races have taken days to be announced when the count is close.

    Visit and volunteer at the Dem Club of West OC Campaign Office at 18912 Beach Blvd in Huntington Beach, CA to help elect Kerry, Boxer and Jim Brandt! 714 965-4121 and 965-4550.   Join us at the Victory Party at Disneyland Hotel Tuesday Night

    •  WTF, days? (none)
      All they do is feed them into the scanning machine.  It's not like it's that hard to do.  Optical scan is electronic-- it's the same way we're voting everywhere in SD county.  The only difference is at the polls you put the ballots in yourself.  

      Your statement that it will take days to count the absentees is just ridiculous though.  It will be much easier to count these absentees than if you had to hand count them.  And we've always used machines before (the punch card ballots) and it's never resulted in the absentees taking especially long to count.  

      In Britain they admit to having royalty. In the United States we pretend we don't have any, and then we elect them president.

      by Asak on Fri Oct 29, 2004 at 10:46:56 PM PDT

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      •  Right (none)
        I have a hard time believing it will take DAYS to count the optical scan ballots in CA. Those workers are going to be up all night feeding those things into scantron machines. It won't take any longer than the old punchcards.

        Speaking of CA turnout, I voted early here in L.A. at one of about 12 early voting locations. All Diebold machines, but since our Sec. of State is a Dem I wasn't too worried about shenanigans. Anyway, the polling worker said turnout had been very high so far. She compared it to the recall election, which also had high turnout. Not bad for a state that isn't a swing state!

        •  Absentee Ballots (none)
          The envelopes have to be opened, names matched with the ballot and envelope, and any irregularities as deemed by the registrar of voters have to be investigated.  This means verifying the signature and address with the voter's registration form.  Of course this can take days, especially in Republican controlled Orange County!  They want to throw out all of the Democratic votes possible.  Thus the possible delays.
  •  I am so filled with bile (4.00)
    for these people.
    If by Wednesday morning Rethuglicans aren't literally killing themselves over their drubbing, I'll be disappointed.
    If Rash Slimeball doesn't down the, oh I don't know, ten thousand Oxycontin it would take to override his tolerance and send him to the elephant's graveyard, I'll feel cheated somehow.
    If that fucking evil bitch Barbara Bush doesn't slump over and expire from a lack of icewater to her brain upon learning that yet another Bush male has failed, my elation will be tempered.

    Whew!  Wow, felt good to let that out.  I feel much better now.

    Hey Crawford! You're about to get your idiot back!

    by jazzmaniac on Fri Oct 29, 2004 at 10:04:49 PM PDT

    •  the sour look on David Brooks' face (4.00)
      will be enough for me.

      by kate mckinnon on Fri Oct 29, 2004 at 10:22:09 PM PDT

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      •  David Brooks (4.00)
        Is there a rule that all neoconservatives have to smirk at you?  

        I would love to send DB out on a recon patrol in Iraq with our military.  We will see how long he is smirking.

        •  Da smirk (3.75)
          "Is there a rule that all neoconservatives have to smirk at you?"

          There's also the sneer ... y'know, the one that says if you disagree with them you should go Cheney yourself.

          They're best exemplified by their Glorious Leaders(tm), the heads of Smirk and Sneer, LLC.

          BTW, David Brooks needs to see an orthodontist in a bad way.

      •  I want to see Hannity's mug (none)
        I want to see Hannity's dumb mug when he sees Kerry cleaning up. The only way we can get past the OBL crap, the Swift Boat crap, the constant fear, the intimidation, all of that, is for Kerry to win. If Bush wins we continue the reign of terror and life sucks for us all.

        O'Reilly would pretend that he knew Kerry was gonna win all along. But Hannity -- I'm not sure how he'd react since he is Bush's butt-boy.

      •  No, the true reward will be hearing this: (none)
        "Fox News now projects John Kerry has been elected as the 44th President of the United States."
  •  More on absentee ballots in FL (4.00)
    Jeb Bush and the Republicans not only stress absentee ballot voting but they have made a VERY agressive and organized effort to effect this...I know...I work at the Post Office. For months now I've had to put up with Jeb's face on hundreds and hundreds of fliers which are mailed out to, it would seem, all registered Repubs here in SouthWest FL. Hundreds of these came through each day though they are now down to a trickle. These fliers, which are mailed more than once to voters it would seem, all contain what they call a "vote by mail" request form. I have NEVER seen anything similar from the Dem Party. Nothing.

     I know certain Dem leaning groups have suggested absentee voting but I have not seen an attempt to make it so easy to do. I think that the Repubs will have an advantage when these votes are counted on election day. So don't be surprised if Kerry's lead seems very large at first. When the absentee votes are counted it will shrink. It won't shrink enough and Kerry will win but it will shrink.

    Democrats should look into organizing such a "mail-drive" in the future.

    •  I disagree. (none)
      The stats indicate that record absentee ballot requests are being submitted by Democrats.  I think the absentee ballot gap will be even.  The Republicans will need to make up the gap at the polls on Tuesday.  With independents going for Kerry by 6-10 points in most surveys, I don't see how they get there.
      •  Sounds good to me (none)
        You may be right. In fact, I hope so. I know that there will be more Dems voting absentee over on the east coast. The fact that most of the vote by mail request fliers are being mailed out more than once to each voter may indicate that, for the most part, they are being thrown in the garbage. I hope so but I still can't believe they would spend all the effort and money on these if they were not getting some benefit. Like I said, I hope you are right. But to be honest, I still think that the Repubs will have an advantage with the absentees due to this huge GOTV by mail program. They used this mail program extensively in the 2002 midterms so I'm assuming that it must have worked to some extent.
        •  They won the midterms by only 41,000 votes (none)
          despite a low Dem turnout,an uninspired Dem campaign.  They won two seats against candidates who had died (Wellstone, Carnahan (defended 2 years later by his less politically skilled wife)), and others in deep red states where they have a natural advantage, so I think their absentee ballot turnout is overrated.  They got a lot of rednecks to the polls on the confederate flag issue in Georgia to oust Max Cleland, suppressed the vote in NH to give Sununu the edge.  

          In 2000, Gore broke the conventional wisdom by using absentee and early voting to eek out victories in Washington, Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, New Mexico, Oregon and PA, even with Nader on the ballot.   I'd say the Dem operation was far more impressive despite a lackluster campaign, no money, poor press coverage, and a debilitating 3rd party candidacy.  

        •  I wouldn't be surprised (none)
          Yes, the Republicans in Florida have definitely emphasized absentee balloting. Partly because they don't trust voting machines, and partly because Republicans aren't motivated enough to wait in line to vote for Bush.

          Republican will probably win the absentee vote, since they have put their focus there. If they lose the absentee vote, they will be blown out. Our GOTV has to continue at this pace so that we blunt whatever success they have there.

          •  At the risk of being cynical (none)
            Also because they have these voter suppression plans relying on making it inconvenient for voters on election day.

            Wouldn't do to send their own voters away along with their targeted opponents.

            I'm jus' sayin'...

            A ship in port is safe, but that's not what ships are for. Rear Admiral Grace Murray Hopper

            by boadicea on Sat Oct 30, 2004 at 04:21:30 AM PDT

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        •  Another consideration (none)
          Many DEMS are voting on absentee ballots but not using the post office to do it.  You can pick up an absentee ballot in person and deliver it in person, therefore assuring your vote gets where it needs to be.

          I think DEMS have been encouraged to do this.  One of the Zogby questions on the latest Florida poll had to do with how much the 2000 election has motivated you in this one -- 65% said not at all, but the 35% who did were (just about) all Democrats.

  •  A Naive Question (none)
    Yeah, I know that there are lawyers all over the friggin' place, but I still gotta ask: Exactly how is the counting/reporting/tallying of the votes actually done?

    I'm not just talking about the dreaded Diebold machines, I mean all of 'em--are we covering all the bases, all the steps?

    If 60% of the Florida (or other states) votes actually go to Kerry, but the official tally is reported as 51% Bush, do we have ways of knowing that it's bullshit? That is, beyond anecdotal "more Dems showed up at the polls than Repubs" and such?

    Not trying to be a hand-wringer, just wondering.

    •  Whistleblowers (4.00)
      If Republican operatives in county elections offices were systematically changing vote totals or tossing out Kerry votes, you can believe that somebody would talk to the press. Such massive, widespread fraud would not be kept secret. I wouldn't worry about it too much. Jeb Bush and Tom Delay only have so many rabid followers who would go to such extremes. And Delay's guys are going to be stuck in Texas making sure Morrison doesn't win.

      Most election workers are honest people. Only the higher ups like Theresa LePore are really crooked.

  •  CAIR had buses (none)
    to take Muslims to early voting today in Boward and Hillsborough counties.

    Can anybody give an on-site report?

  •  Quinnipiac poll: More Great News (4.00)
    "Quinnipiac's Oct. 22-26 poll found Bush and Kerry tied with support from 44 percent of registered voters and Ralph Nader with 1 percent.

    Among Floridians deemed likely voters, Bush led 49 percent to 46 percent, a statistical tie.

    More than 1-million people already have cast their votes in Florida, either with in-person early voting or by absentee ballots. Quinnipiac found that among the 16 percent of voters who said they had already voted, Kerry led Bush 56 percent to 39 percent."

    This poll was reported in Friday morning's St Petersburg Times.  Note that it apparently includes early and absentee voting, and the poll dates are Oct 22-26.  I would bet that early voting is pushing 20-25 percent of the vote by now.

    •  how's that good news (none)
      when compared to the thread header? Am I too tired and missing something?
      •  here's my math (none)
        Figure that turnout will be 80 percent.  16 percent of voters had voted by the 10/26.  Hence, 20% of votes that will be cast had been by 10/26.

        And Kerry is leading by 17% among the 20% of votes that had been cast by 10/26.  For Bush to win, he would need to win the remaining vote by a margin of approximately 5%.  And I would bet that early voting has continued to favor Kerry through 10/29, further increasing the margin that Bush needs to win on election day.

        Note that this poll (unlike the data at top of thread) captures how independents are voting, whereas registration data just captures how many registered Dems are early voting.

        And also note that Quinnipiac is a Rep-leaning poll, and it is showing Kerry behind Bush among all likely voters even though its internals show him ahead among independents.

        •  I don't understand (none)
          People who have ALREADY VOTED seem like the most likely of all voters. I mean, they aren't just likely -- they are DEFINITE voters. And Kerry is up by almost 20 points there. Yet they think that Republicans are more likely to vote than Dems based on their likely voter model.

          Either things really tighten up from here with massive Republican turnout, or these pollsters are going to have to explain themselves on Nov. 3rd.

        •  Indication of Kerry's eventual win? (none)
          Plus wouldn't the assumption be that a poll sample of the 16% that have already voted be a possible indication of which way the race is going in FL in general?  If Kerry is winning 56%-39% amongst the votes cast so far, that's pretty damn huge in a state that we've all been told is a 'dead heat'.
          •  Quinnipiac is awful (none)
            Agreed.  Quinnipiac is the same polling firm that is showing New Jersey as tied.  Seems like they are counting on some election-day miracle to drive the Republicans to the polls.
          •  I dont think (none)
            it necessarily suggests the final vote percentages, but it does highlight the level of enthusiasm and energy for the respective camps.  I would think the more energized and excited the side, the better they  are at actually taking the time to go out and vote early (or at all) - and the current numbers suggest who the energized side really is.

             dKos has known for awhile that polls this year are so poor as to be nearly useless, but it will be nice to hear the sputtering from the SCLM when they have to explain why the polls were all so very wrong.

            bloggers: we watch the watchmen.

            by Ugluks Flea on Sat Oct 30, 2004 at 08:11:42 AM PDT

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  •  Questions (none)
    The 58,000 missing absentee ballots.
    What's the status of that?  Did the people get new ballots or choose to vote at the polls?  Also, could someone actually steal/use those ballots or is the address/name/signature enough to ensure folks only vote once?
  •  discouragement effect (none)
    get the news of early voting victory out there; the trends in certain states could discourage potential republican voters from leaving home on election day.

    yeah, I know, it's THEIR sort of tactic, but it's only perceptory. we wouldn't be physically ripping up ballots or anything.

  •  "a little culture shock..." (4.00)
    "...that will last beyond the next four years."

    I LOVE it!

    And I'm recommending this diary!

    Participate in the Authentic Journalism renaissance at Narco News

    by Al Giordano on Fri Oct 29, 2004 at 10:41:19 PM PDT

  •  Passed thru Tallahassee yesterday . . (4.00)
    Passed by the voting building across from the Capitol complex in Tallahassee and saw HUNDREDS of people in line waiting to vote @ 3:30 on a FRIDAY!! If the old adage that high turnout = dem win is true, I don't think that ole Jeb! will be sleeping well tonight!

    Also heard two Media Fund commercials on 96.1 near Tallahassee, both were very good and serious in tone (as opposed to the very good and nonserious NDN commercial). Good that our $$ is going to effective orgs.

  •  GOP shill Colleen Murphy's comment... (4.00)
    "I want to tell you, it's been a culture shock," she wrote."

    Is it just me, or is that a clear reference to either the culture wars or racism (or both, I don't know that area of Florida)?

    Translated from conservative-speak, that sounds to me like: 'Do you want welfare queens getting your money? Do you want the wild-eyed lunatic left banning your Bible?'

    In a way, I almost wish I didn't know as much as I do about conservative framing -- it makes me question every word they say. Then again, it's nice to have the scales off my eyes and understand what the heck they're talking about when they foam at the mouth....

  •  Very Inspiring (4.00)
    I know it's early but the quote from the Republican official made my day. A "culture shock". She wouldn't say this unless she was concerned. The huge turnout is no hype. It's happening.
  •  Fuck OBL. We're taking our country back. (4.00)
    Fuck OBL. We're taking our country back.

    Exactly right.

    There was a cold war joke (mid 1980s).  A Pole is confronted with a chance to kill a Soviet or a Nazi.  He kills the Soviet, of course: business before pleasure.

    Not to be blood-thirsty or anything, and I certainly don't advocate killing Bush (Secret Service take note!)  But we have business to attend to: taking our country back.

    When we have it back, we can turn it towards nailing the guy actually responsible for killing over 3,000 of our countrymen.

  •  The Confidence Effect (4.00)
    It works.  Confidence, absolutely.  Complacency or cockiness, never.  GOTV.

    Democracy depends on informed activism.

    by Juan Pablo on Sat Oct 30, 2004 at 01:03:15 AM PDT

  •  so i asked my mom tonight (4.00)
    about the obl video, the 380 tons of explosives, etc. and how she thought it was impacting her and her friends as they prepare to vote.  

    btw, my mom lives in clearwater, which is part of pinellas county along with st petersburg.  oh, and i should point out that gore carried pinellas county by about 16,000 votes in 2000.

    her answer?  not at all.  

    why? i asked.

    she says -- > because we've already voted. the video today was kind of too late to change anyone's mind, don't you think?  anyway i waited in line for quite a long time -- in front of me was a woman with her 89 year-old mother -- who had her mom stay in a nice shady spot until we got to the door whereupon she ran back, grabbed her mom and then both voted.

    she was genuinely struck by how long the lines were in clearwater for early voting and about how resolute folks seemed to be about making sure they got in their early and that they voted.

    i asked her if she thought it was a reaction to the 2000 debacle.

    no one likes to be the laughingstock of the nation, she said.  and i do not like being associated with the state that helped bring those crazy and evil men into power.

    i wondered if she could sense a more democrat early voter presence than republican presence.  no, she said.  at least not when she was there.  she said that folks were cordial, not doing any kind of politic-jockeying and just passing the time in line discussing this and that.

    with one exception -- apparently, the martinez stump and ads against castor have been pretty ugly.  my mom was happy that a good number of folks she saw in line to vote were discussing how "evil" (both my mom's word as well as a word that is apparently featured prominently in one of castor's recent ads) martinez has been.

    the MOE on my mom's data is incalculable, but it is indeed nice to hear her first-hand observations, especially given that she is a registered republican  who is voting for both  kerry and castor.

    <Let those I love try to forgive // what I have made (ezra loomis pound)>

    by dadanation on Sat Oct 30, 2004 at 01:25:36 AM PDT

  •  Absentee Ballots (none)
    Why do more Republicans use absentee ballots? Is that because it's easier to commit fraud when you don't have to show up in person?
    •  No, I don't think so... (none)
      Absentee ballots are subject to more scrutiny and verification so in that sense fraud is more difficult.

      But I'd bet that absentee ballots have a higher rate of actually being counted than at the polling place, where votes are often lost as the result of damaged, miscast, or miscounted ballots.

      It's really a reflection of the fact that Republicans have mastered the system.  They do everything they can to make sure every Republican vote is counted, while making sure that the Democratic vote count is as low as possible.

      That's why in Florida there were punch card machines in Democratic counties, which have much higher error rates than the optical machines in Republican counties.  They have replaced the punch card machines with electronic machines, but these are still more error prone than the optical machines, so the Republican counties still have an edge.

      More Republican voters vote absentee simply because Republicans have mastered the art of maximizing the vote count, and have educated their base about the absentee process.  Democrats are finally catching up with Republicans on this, so this year the Republicans may be in for a rude awakening when the absentee ballots are counted.

  •  Lazy Republicans (none)
    "I went three times and the lines were too long," one woman said.

    Yeah, I can see how the Republicans might be less motivated to go stand in line to vote than a bunch of pissed off Florida Democrats who have been waiting for FOUR YEARS to get some payback.

    All these stories of lines & high turnout are convincing me that I need to get up way early on Election Day to get in line before the polls open. I really wish PA had early voting.

    "The Democratic Party has a great tradition of leading this country with strength and conviction in times of war." --President George W. Bush

    by YT on Sat Oct 30, 2004 at 04:32:28 AM PDT

    •  That quote cracked me up. (4.00)
      Yeah, she was going to vote, but the lines were too long.  Waah.  I can just see here on Election Day, when the lines are likely to be immensely longer.  That's the difference between us and them - I think that woman will probably take one look at the line, think 'Screw this,' turn around, and go home.

      Dems?  No way.  If we haven't already early voted, we'll be camped out in line, waiting our turn.  It'll be just like buying concert tickets!  Someone on Kos made this point a few days ago, and I thought it was brilliant - 'Democrats are used to waiting in line.'  We wait in line everywhere.  It's second nature to us. We're perpetual line-standers.  We may not like it, but it's almost second nature to us.  It can be a zen experience!  It can be a chance to chat with people you don't know!  And you know the payoff for standing in line almost always (except when you're waiting at the DMV) makes up for the time spent in line.

      Republicans waiting in line just get angry, pissed, and loud.  So let them get frustrated by the lines and leave.  It just makes the line shorter for the rest of us.

      Bush/Cheney - in your guts, you know they're nuts.

      by Lufah on Sat Oct 30, 2004 at 05:33:41 AM PDT

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      •  Queuing up (none)
        You're so right! I mean, I waited in line for, like, three hours to see the Star Wars Special Edition on opening night; I can sure wait in line to vote for John Kerry, John Edwards, and Joe Hoeffel!

        "The Democratic Party has a great tradition of leading this country with strength and conviction in times of war." --President George W. Bush

        by YT on Sat Oct 30, 2004 at 07:42:09 AM PDT

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      •  I am reminded of a experience (none)
        from my yoot.  When I was about 11 or 12 or so, the family went to florida to visit my mother's relatives, and my dad and brother and me went to Epcot for a day (they were cheaper than disneyworld, and my dad was, and still is, cheap).  Standing in line for some lame-ass exhibit or another, snaking up and down those line containment baracades, we noticed a few hundred people back a group of four obvious republican types - late middle age, pasty, women with big "Texas" hair, men in golf shirts, etc. - slowly, but determinedly, pushing their way thru the line.  They would gently nudge the person in front of them, the person would obligingly shift to give some space, and they would sneak forward a few more feet.  We watched them do this as they steadily crept forward for 10 minutes, and my dad, always willing to engage in a little passive-agressive activism, got my brother and me to stand three abreast in the "cattle shoot" and agree not to let them pass.  Even though I was 12 or so, and my brother was 15, we were big midwest boys, and stood taller than the pasty republicans coming up from behind.  When they finally came up from behind, we stood firm.  They avoided my father, 6'4" 250 lbs, but pushed a bit on my brother and me.  We stood firm, and they eventually seemed to give up and grumble.  Unfortuanatly, I let down my guard for a few seconds to look at a cool bug that landed on the railing, and they slipped past.  By this time we are almost at the front anyway, so they didn't gain much.  Pissed my dad off though, he wanted to stick it to them till the bitter end.

         Just goes to show - eternal vigilance is the price of justice/liberty/freedom in the face of rethug pushyness and self importance.  Huzzah!

        bloggers: we watch the watchmen.

        by Ugluks Flea on Sat Oct 30, 2004 at 09:22:38 AM PDT

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  •  I think this is great (none)
    Personally, it makes me want to vote more than if I learned that the Republicans were ahead. It feels great to ride the freaking wave, man! Yeeeahhhhhhhhhhhh!
  •  Out of curiosity (none)
    The data is from the Orlando area, Orange County that has a ton of imported democrats that is good news. I believe this is based on party registration. I would like to know how many registered democrats are voting for Kerry, especially in the South (witch in Fl is the North). I mean Gainesville, Live Oak, Lake City, Jax, etc.

    Those anybody knows how will the brit expats vote? they are a good number in FL.

  •  I figured Florida would shock the GOP... (none)
    and this pretty much says it's already happening.  Delightful news!  Katherine Harris, baby brother Jeb, and all the usual suspects can't hand the White House to W. on a plate this time, depsite their best efforts to mangle the voting count and scare off the Kerry faithful.  Tuesday night will be a spectacular, crushing blow to their collective egos.
  •  The Problem Is (none)
    that the Republican officials will have a good idea Tuesday how far behind they are, and what they have to do to the voting machines to fix it.
    Is there any way we can monitor the actual total number of voters in Republican areas?
  •  Renquist (none)
    is reportedly dragging himself back to the SCOTUS on Monday.....hmmmm, what's the hurry?
  •  not only (none)
    do I think this is great stuff to post to pump up Kossacks - I'd also love to hear the numbers for early voting tallies in Ohio and Nevada.

    Has anyone seen any press clippings on that?

    Thanks existenz!

    "If anybody ever tells you that one vote doesn't count, you tell them to come talk to me." - Al Gore

    by Prog Grrl 68 on Sat Oct 30, 2004 at 11:55:00 AM PDT

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