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FOX: Kerry leads Bush by 5 in FL

by Tom Schaller

Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 10:52:59 AM PDT

ALL FLORIDA OPEN THREAD

Hey, you know it's gotta be both fair and balanced: According to Fox News -- boy, do I love starting sentences that way -- Kerry leads Bush by five points in Florida, and by two points nationally, 48-46 percent.

Funny, but when Bush was leading by two points nationally two days ago, the blurb on their homepage said Bush was winning by 2. Now it calls the results, more generously, "Polarized Electorate." Bush was leading in the Fox poll by five points nationally about a week ago. But I'm sure Fred, Mort, Bill K., Bill O., Sean, Brit and Tony will all lead tonight's commentaries with "Bush is surging" memes anyway.

Facts, as Reagan said, are stubborn things. So why let them get in the way? To be a Republican, you must be willing to ignore all contradictory evidence and blunder ahead. It's more liberating that way. Freedom, if you will, on the march.

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  •  well said (none / 0)

    I would love to be in the Faux News room tomorrow night around, say 9:30 PM EST

    by Maccabee on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 10:52:09 AM PDT

  •  Don't Believe Faux News.... GOTV (none / 1)

    I don't trust them..

    by EdwardsRaysOfSunshine on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 10:52:37 AM PDT

  •  Freedom is on the march alright... (none / 0)

    ...right back here starting tomorrow! I am so confident, nervous too, but confident. It's been a long-long ride since getting on the Dean bus in July, 2003 till now. Let's ride to victory!

    *John McCain is aware of the Internet*

    by MichaelPH on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 10:53:03 AM PDT

    •  I diaried on just this- down to the Dean Bus (none / 0)

      Here Yeah, I'm a ho.  But reading it will feel good and I promise you won't catch anything.  So I'm like a ho, only better.

      Might and Right are always fighting In our youth it seems exciting. Right is always nearly winning. Might can hardly keep from grinning. -Clarence D

      by Myrkury on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 11:02:14 AM PDT

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      •  cookies! (none / 0)

        you're doing a good thing. thanks for the inspiration.  tomorrow i'll be gotv for kerry, but in dean's name.

        then after a short hiatus we get to work taking back our country.  we're not going anywhere.

        the only way to fly, f

        by democat on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 11:45:11 AM PDT

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  •  Maybe we are seeing (none / 0)

    the much talked about effects of the incumbency rule ???

    by bruh1 on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 10:53:04 AM PDT

  •  A Fox Amongst (none / 0)

    the pigeons. By FIVE???? Nice.

    Canada - where a pack of smokes is ten bucks and a heart transplant is free.

    by dpc on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 10:54:10 AM PDT

  •  Freedom is on the march indeed (none / 0)

    directly to the polls tommorrow morning to elect John F Kerry.

    Let's be honest.

    by diplomatic on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 10:54:47 AM PDT

  •  Reverse Psyops (none / 1)

    Don't believe the hype! Faux is just pushing these numbers so that the freepers could get all riled up and run to the polls. They are trying to keep the base motivated, but believe me when the freepers see the lines tomorrow in Florida they are going to leave quickly. Believe that!!!

    by nada on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 10:55:02 AM PDT

  •  What about... (none / 0)

    Fox news people saying "hey, if we keep reporting Bush in the lead, some GOPers might think it's in the bad and stay home. What can we do to motivate our base? I know...say Kerry is edging up a few points!"  

    That's the true harbinger of spring, not crocuses or swallows returning to Capistrano, but the sound of a bat on a ball. ~Bill Veeck

    by MikeBaseball on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 10:55:04 AM PDT

  •  disinformation (none / 0)

    You can hear the whispers: "Kerry's looking certain to win, no need for greater turnout, stay home and watch the final numbers tonight on Fox"
    then later that night
    "More miraculous than Senator Kerry's so called home team the Red Sox, President Bush has won Florida according to our projections....."

    I'd buy that for a dollar [canned laughter]

    by SkipWalkDC on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 10:55:39 AM PDT

    •  I dunno (none / 0)

      Sounds good and all, but who watches Fox?  This might just have the effect of discouraging Bush voters, particularly when they see the long line.. you gonna wait 4 hours in line just to vote for a looser?  Hard to say it keeps one side from voting, but not the other... except the factor of who is watching.

      by DEA on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 11:19:03 AM PDT

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  •  Fox polls (none / 0)

    Do not believe them - its all a trick to slow Kerry GOTV

    by nap on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 10:55:52 AM PDT

  •  Not Reagan (4.00 / 4)

    "Facts are stubborn things" John Adams

    "Facts are stupid things" Ronald Reagan

    "Facts are simple and facts are straight
    Facts are lazy and facts are late
    Facts all come with points of view
    Facts don't do what I want them to
    Facts just twist the truth around
    Facts are living turned inside out
    Facts are getting the best of them
    Facts are nothing on the face of things
    Facts don't stain the furniture
    Facts go out and slam the door
    Facts are written all over your face
    Facts continue to change their shape" David Byrne

    by Blue the Wild Dog on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 10:55:57 AM PDT

  •  Holy Crap (none / 0)

    Luke Skywalker: I....I don't believe it!

    Yoda: That is why you fail.

    Well, now I believe it. If Bush is only pulling 46 nationwide in a FOX poll the day before the election, he is not doing that well at all. Not well. Nope. Forget the 2-point within the MOE spread.

    Incumbent Republican. 46. Fox Poll. Likely voters. God only knows what the Registered Voters look like, it must be a Bush disaster.

    by MC Hawking on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 10:56:49 AM PDT

  •  Couldn't Help Notice the Florida Paragraph (none / 0)

    Actually--I had to TRY to notice the Florida paragraph--it was very short...just one sentence!  Meanwhile, they're trying to play up Iowa (even though that one poll of early voters showed Kerry with an 11-point lead there over Bush).

    Bears hibernate for months. Congress hibernates for years. Is it "spring" yet?

    by westcornersville on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 10:57:29 AM PDT

  •  I'm glad for the positive data in FL (none / 0)

    but they also posted data today with Bush up in IA, WI and OH.  Good news is that only FL and IA are outside the MoE for their state polls.  We know OH is close, and WI is likely an outlier.  They didn't post any RV data that I could find for the state polls, so who knows how strong the effect of the LV screen was this time.

    by RickT on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 10:58:08 AM PDT

  •  Bush is still surging (none / 1)

    Funny, hasn't he been surging for several months now? And yet he still can't do any better than what, 48-49%

    Reminds me of the story of how the German people knew that the Nazis were losing the war - news reports of their many glorious victories in 1944-45 kept referring to places closer and closer to home.

    by maxentropy on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 10:58:41 AM PDT

  •  You got that wrong (none / 0)

    I would believe what they are saying folks. It is too late to motivate the base with the Kerry is "surging" meme. In fact historically that would depress turn out because the losing side of a surge gets demoralized.

    Also this is Fox's last poll so no more chance to reverse it.

    I think they are making sure they are a player no matter what the outcome.

    by virtuald on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 10:58:53 AM PDT

  •  Anybody hear what is up with the evacuation (none / 0)

    ... at the Florida Division of Elections headquarters that was mentioned in this diary?

    by Bob Johnson on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 10:59:02 AM PDT

  •  That's nice, however... (none / 0)

    That's nice, however the same poll shows us trailing in Iowa and Ohio.  Frankly, I'd rather be ahead in Iowa and Ohio and trailing in Florida.  Why?  I don't trust that much good can happen for Democrats in Florida, under the current regime of that state.

    Gimme OH!  Gimme IA!  Gimme PA!  Florida?  Whatever...

    by Dmitri in San Diego on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 10:59:55 AM PDT

  •  sounds like. . . (none / 0)

    they are planning for a loss or they are going to say "what a great comeback, bush relly energized the base. . ."

    We never listen to Faux B-4, why should we now?

    They are just making the faithful vote by, you guessed it, scaring 'em!

    I'm not so liberal that I unwaveringly support capitulators.

    by hfiend on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 11:00:34 AM PDT

  •  FREEPERS freaking out (none / 0)

    [Posts re today's (Monday, 11/1/04) Fox News poll: K:49 / B: 47 | Florida: K: +5, etc.]
    [LINK to Free Republic posts]
    [initial post]: "This is getting whacky"
    [response]: "I hate polls."
    [response]: "Or a typo?"
    [response]: I may have to duct tape my head to keep it from exploding..

    faith is no substitute for empirical evidence

    by Rudyard on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 11:00:35 AM PDT

    •  There is another thread (none / 0)

      where people are compaing Gallup to CBS for their supposed crookedness in intentionally putting Kerry tied with Bush instead of the obvious huge lead Bush has.

      Mad Wombat

      by FleetAdmiralJ on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 11:08:36 AM PDT

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    •  HAHAHAHAAA! (4.00 / 2)

      I love the Freeper messages where now they want to call the networks and report voter fraud because of the "biased reporting". "But be sure to mask your call ID."

      The Repub line of battle is panicking, breaking and running...but all that means is it's time to unleash the cavalry to ride the bastards down.

      No quarter.

      "Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." -- Mark Twain

      by JDRhoades on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 11:16:17 AM PDT

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    •  Priceless (none / 0)

      I can't believe these comments.

      "I just called the hotline and told them the biggest fraud in this election is the mainstream media corruption. We deserve the truth about John Kerry lies!"

      "Great idea. CBS, ABC, NBC have committed voter fraud against America. Call and report the fraud!"

      And here I was thinking they only had a problem with Dan Rather & Ted Koppel. I guess Brokaw is one of their enemies too. Jennings has to be, because he's canadian. Those darn pinko, commie canadians with accesible health care and price controlled drugs.

      Oh my. At leat they have Fox News. We have nothing. Oh, excpet the Net and Air America. OK, I guess I'll forgive NPR. After the election of course.

      The Bush Administration: Delivering Pain, Suffering, Destruction and Death Worldwide since 2001

      by Jonesyboy on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 12:48:33 PM PDT

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  •  Beware (none / 0)

    This is typical Fox BS designed to get Dems to think they don't need to vote...

    Let's keep on working and GOTV!!!!!

    by jaybeck on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 11:00:49 AM PDT

  •  Rove flip flop? (none / 0)

    Normally I'd don my tin foil hat and comment on how Fox might be trying to work some wierd GOTV thing, but Rove's always been about how much people want to vote for the winner.   Remember the whole project the view you've already won spin?  Unless he's flip flopping and trying to cover his ass, the numbers in the poles must look bad...

    by Yil on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 11:05:00 AM PDT

    •  There is a tendency here (4.00 / 3)

      to look positives as negatives, and negatives as even worse than that. We say that we are reality based- and yet when push comes to shove it's al about what we feel rather than the facts. There is a bit of paranoia in thinking someone is ALWAYS out to get you as some people on this site feel.

      This is all to say that I liked your post b/c it went with some facts about who we are dealing with and their strategies rather than going knee-jerk into why we should despair and fear this result. I swear I agree with a lot of the people on here about policies, but I hope are a little bit more optimistic at parties :)

      I think this a sign of the realities of the race- Fox is at the end of the day a media company who wants to have good ratings. They will manipulate in the Rs favor as far as they can, but even they dont want  to look clueless to their audience

      by bruh1 on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 11:13:21 AM PDT

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  •  Cherry picking (none / 0)

    You shouldn't really cherry pick just the Florida and nationals polls.  If you think this is good news, and thus believe those polls, you must give credence to Fox showing Bush up 3 in OH and WI and up 4 in IA.

    by nebster on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 11:08:58 AM PDT

  •  Last last? (none / 0)

    Perhaps this is the last last-ditch ploy: attempt to suppress Democratic turnout by instilling over confidence. Who better than Faux? If so, they are truly to the bottom of the Rovian barrel. Parenthetically, I think the Kerry people have been very tight-lipped about their own, internal numbers so as to avoid any such effect...

    by jim in austin on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 11:10:10 AM PDT

  •  Palm Beach County Update (4.00 / 2)

    Mid-day Kos check in.

    Started the day in WPB at 7 to set up for a Betty Castor Rally with Bob Graham,Jimmy Buffett and local elected officials.  Good showing, about 200+ for the 8 am rally.

    Distributed Castor yard signs for polling places, then headed out for  visibility at the Supervisor of Elections office on Congress in Delray Beach.  My first thought was that things must be going well since there was no line outside the building...first time in over 2 weeks.  Then I find out that the lines are all inside the building, snaking up and around the 2nd floor.  The reason?  A woman passed out from heat stroke (it's mid-80's here today) so they moved the entire line inside, according to the Legal Rep onsite.  

    Today was the first time I've seen more than 1 Bush supporter. Most of the time it's been 1 Bush supporter for every 3 or 4 Kerry supporters.  One of the local stations (12) was there.  Did visibility on the street for 90 minutes.  Then off to check out the EV site on Atlantic Ave. Lines around the bldg there.  Heading back out to do visbility there.  Afterwards canvassing for Castor, then Betty and John Edwards tonite in Pompano Beach.

    Kerry/Edwards/Castor fever is STRONG!

    More later tonite!

    "Obama in 2008"

    by calichick on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 11:11:36 AM PDT

  •  Freeper shows intellegence (none / 0)

    Here is their post title:

    IRAK WAR THE RIGHT WAR.Terrorists hate and fear FREEDOM overhall

    Mad Wombat

    by FleetAdmiralJ on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 11:12:41 AM PDT

  •  Trick? (none / 0)

    Could it be possible that Fox is trying to get the Dems to ease up, with victory all but assured?

    by aristoi78 on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 11:14:17 AM PDT

  •  Already voted numbers... (none / 0)

    According to this diary, Kerry leads nationwide among early voters 48-43 in this Fox poll.

    If those already voted numbers are anywhere close to accurate, they're fucking awesome. There is more early voting in red states (Bush won states with early voting by 8 points in 2000) and Republicans tend to do quite a bit better in early and absentee voting historically (Bush went into election day with a something like a 10 point lead in 2000).

    I expected that Kerry would go into election day behind by 5-8 points nationally in early voting numbers (due to the two factors above), but maybe tied or ahead in some of the swing states like Florida.

    According to the PDF, the people who've already voted are 27% of the likely voters (out of 1200 total LV) or 24% of the registered voters (1400 RV). That's 324 likely voters or 336 registered voters (I doubt "already voted" people are not being considered likely voters; the difference is probably due to rounding). That's a MOE of 5.5%, and an 83% chance that the lead is "real" and not due to sampling error.

    -4.25, -6.56

    by fwiffo on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 11:14:51 AM PDT

  •  I don't trust Fox at all.. (none / 0)

    I'd love to believe this is true but I suspect it's a really lame, desperate, GOTV effort. They've been trying to scare voters all along, this is just another attempt.

    "Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere"

    by Morbo on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 11:15:47 AM PDT

  •  FREEP THIS POLL... (none / 1)

    ...yes, freep the freeping freepers...they have their own poll up...it would be hilarious if Bush were losing in it.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/browse

    "There is nothing false about hope." -- Barack Obama

    by DC Pol Sci on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 11:16:23 AM PDT

  •  Why does Fox News Hate America? (none / 0)

    by guynnyc on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 11:26:14 AM PDT

  •  FORGET IT GOTVGOTVGOTV (none / 0)

    Forget it. Forget the polls. Forget Fox. Forget the Freepers.

    Forget 'em all.

    GOTVGOTVGOTV

    It's been too long. We've come too far.  

    We distort; you infer.

    by elbow on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 11:26:26 AM PDT

  •  PROF SAM WANG (none / 0)

    Prof sam Wang says
    Professor of Maths and Stats at princeton SAM WANG

    his MODEL is run 3000 times

    http://synapse.princeton.edu/~sam/pollcalc.html

    Electoral prediction with undecideds and turnout: Kerry 323 EV, Bush 215 EV (probability map)

    Popular vote prediction with undecideds and turnout: Kerry 50.3%, Bush 47.7%, Nader/other 2%

    With undecided voters assigned. Undecided voters typically end up voting against the incumbent. In previous presidential races this has given a 2.5 ± 2.0% advantage to the challenger. I currently estimate that 3.0% of voters are undecided. A 3-1 Kerry-Bush split gives a +1.5% net advantage to Kerry. This leads to a median EV estimate: counting undecided voters, Kerry 280 EV, Bush 258 EV, and a nominal Kerry win probability of 71%, or 2.4-1 in Kerry's favor.

    Turnout estimates and other corrections. The principal factor not measured by polls is turnout. Pollsters ask respondents questions to determine if they are likely to vote. *However, this cannot capture efforts by voter turnout organizations. In addition, newly registered voters have no track record. ** Finally, telephone polls may not accurately sample the voting population. I estimate that these factors sum to an advantage in battleground states of 2 to 3% for Kerry. As I am sure you are all aware, this number cannot be known with certainty. With that caveat in mind, I use +2.5% as my turnout figure. Combined with the +1.5% undecided allocation this makes a +4.0% bias as plugged into the MATLAB script. This leads to my final prediction. Predicted electoral outcome (11/1/2004 noon EST): Kerry 323 EV, Bush 215 EV, nominal Kerry win probability near 100%.

    http://synapse.princeton.edu/~sam/ev_prediction_1nov.jpg

    "Obviously we are dealing with limited mentalities" -- Daffy Duck

    by wxdave on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 11:29:49 AM PDT

  •  So now FOX is unbalanced toward Kerry? (none / 0)

    My favorite Freeper posting of the day:

    "This is just Garbage--all last week Fox seemed to be stumping for Kerry--his ads were aired 3 to 1 against Bush--they constantly allow the democrat "guests"to buttin and overtalk any of the conservative guests.someone at fox is slowly turning fox into another MSM democrat sounding board.--could be wrong just my observations."

    Left at the Gate

    by ckck94 on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 11:33:21 AM PDT

  •  Does anyone think anyone here is going to stop (none / 0)

    their plans to help with the Kerry campaign? for instance, regardless of the polls, I am going out tommorrow to do poll monitoring (my little bit)

    by bruh1 on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 11:33:31 AM PDT

  •  The TREND is your FRIEND (none / 1)

    FOLKS
    The bottom line is that a massive turnout IS happening. Do we ALL agree?

    does anyone see a 51 or 52% turnout? I see a 61% turnout (130 million votes cast)

    we see PROOF of this massive turnout in several sates -- FL OH IA and NC. 2 hours long lines at Midday.  

     the  MSM  can spin it all they wantt... The massive turnout comes from 3 sources and ONLY three sources.

    1. 18-29 years old who fear a draft
    2. 1st time voters
    3. occasional Voters

    all three groups heavily favor Kerry. To be sure the 18 - 29 year old voters are often 15% of the overall vote... but this time it appears to be different.

    In FL dems and GOP Both registered the ame amount of voters. But nader who got 100,000 votes in 2000 might get 10-15,000 this time. All those other votes are going to Kerry.

    There is NO "hidden" right wing or Christian conservative vote out there for Bush to pull to counter 1 2 and 3.
      If  we   assume  Bush takes  NM and Kerry takes   NH     then    IF   Kerry  takes  Fl... Bush   needs  IA and WI  just to get a  tie...

    Remember folks even a dolt like Mike Dukakis carried IA and WI in 1988 and these states have democratic ever since.

    "Obviously we are dealing with limited mentalities" -- Daffy Duck

    by wxdave on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 11:33:56 AM PDT

    •  Bush Approval the LOWEST in Florida (none / 0)

      of all the battlegrounds states according to the FOX polls!. It is at a measly 44%. How the hell can anyone expect Bush will will this state with that kind of number?

      "Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph." (T. Paine)

      by dmmteacher on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 02:35:32 PM PDT

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  •  I want that Kerry victory (none / 0)

    I want it so bad that right now I could play a porn star welcoming the pizza delivery boy.

    OVER HERE: AN AMERICAN EXPAT IN THE SOUTH OF FRANCE, is now available on Amazon US

    by Lupin on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 11:47:37 AM PDT

  •  I'm tired of the Florida-bashing we have (none / 1)

    endured during the past four years.

    Tomorrow we show that we are not part of the disease, we are the part of the cure.

    "We are the boys of old Florida
    Down where the old Gators play
    In all kinds of weather we'll all come together
    For F-L-O-R-I-D-A!!!"

    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro" - Hunter S. Thompson (RIP)

    by redfish on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 12:19:30 PM PDT

    •  Also keep in mind that people who have (none / 0)

      ALREADY voted, like moi, beat the hell out of that "likely voter" stuff.

      Nobody is more likely to vote than someone who has already voted.

      "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro" - Hunter S. Thompson (RIP)

      by redfish on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 12:23:21 PM PDT

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  •  Media reporting (none / 1)

    Walter Cronkite's interview where he answered the question about doing hard reporting.
    I paraphrase this: "on editing straight news, I just go through and delete the adjectives".
    I never thought about it before, but that is the way they skew the reports.

    by xerico on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 12:25:38 PM PDT

  •  Admission from Washington Post (none / 0)

    Their chief polling guy admits that "In some surveys, less than one in five calls produces a completed interview -- raising doubts whether such polls accurately reflect the views of the public or merely report the opinions of stay-at-home Americans who are too bored, too infirm or too lonely to hang up."

    What a surprise.

    by Trilby on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 12:29:42 PM PDT

  •  Anecdotal evidence: My grandmother (none / 0)

    who lives in a neatly kept golfing community (trailer park, but not the scumbag kind you are thinking of), says her and ALL her eldery friends are voting for Kerry. Most specifically because of SS, healthcare, and what they deem a useless prescription drug bill.

    Just thought some anecdotal evidence might help.

    by Adrock on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 01:27:25 PM PDT

  •  My first post from texas (3.66 / 3)

     Well this is my first post on Kos after lurking for many days. I am a fiscally conservative, socially Libertarian Texan, who would not vote for GDuuuuhbya if he were the last "man" ( and i use that term loosely)  on earth. Last election I voted for Harry Brown, but this time i have already voted for John Kerry after waiting 2 hours in line to vote early. And this wait was in a small Texas conservative town, and as someone else has pointed out " no-one waits in line in the hot Texas sun for two hours to vote for the incumbant". I don't think Bush will lose Texas, but he better watch out, its gonna be close.
       I was gonna vote Libertarian again until i read several articles about Kerry, especially the one from the daughter of the fellow vietnam vet who'se family he has watched over these many years since their fathers death in Vietnam.  And listening to his daughters talk about him at the convention sealed the deal for me. The story about him and the hamster said more about the heart of the man, than anything Gduuuuhbya has done in his entire pathetic existence.
        I take an informal "pick-up" poll on my 45 mile drive home through Austin every day, and I have been nothing but astonished at what I have observed. The pick-up poll consists of reading the bumper and back window stickers on pick-em-up trucks while i am driving. The poll so far is running 75% Kerry, 25% Bush with a margin of error, of whether or not I'm about to rear-end someone. I can't tell you the number of time I Have seen a Kerry sticker on the window of a beat-up pickup with guns in the back window, and a redneck at the wheel ( of which I number myself). I think the world is gonna be pleasently pleased tomorrow.

    " I want a President who is smarter than I am"
         

    by samsdad on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 03:47:04 PM PDT

  •  Why would Fox suddenly post these? (none / 0)

    Old saying, hold your friends close, but hold your enemies closer.  I know Kerry is going to win and the oil markets know Kerry is going to win and we all can feel the Kerry Wave coming to wipe out the frauds from our White House. BUT I'm a worrywart and cannot figure out why Fox would publish these figures now.

    Do they hope to suppress the Democrat GOTV?  Folks will think we are going to win anyway and they don't need to go stand in line to vote?

    Our... constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds. Thurgood Marshall

    by bronte17 on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 04:52:52 PM PDT

  •  Rove's positive end-game spin could backfire (none / 0)

    I live in ultra-conservative Utah, and just came back from voting early. The lines are not that long, about a 20 minute wait. And I didn't find one person admitting to voting for Bush. They were holding their nose and voting Kerry, or vehemently voting Kerry.

    Pretty surprising around here...

    "In the end we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends." MLK, changed to this during the 2008 FISA fight

    by bewert on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 05:14:59 PM PDT

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