Daily Kos

Disorganization in Ohio

Wed Nov 10, 2004 at 09:12:21 PM PDT

I just read a really interesting (and disturbing) post on The Leiter Reports, recounting one volunteer's experience in Ohio working on the Voter Protection Program.  It reminded me a lot of the stories I heard from friends who went to Iowa for "The Perfect Storm," and helped me understand how we could lose Ohio and Florida even though we spent more money and had more people than the Republicans.

We need to do a better job next time.  Any ideas of how we could do it?  My take is that the jumble of 527s was our problem.  We weren't as organized and centralized as the Republicans, unfortunately.

(more in extended entry)

Here's the link, and the text is below:

I am an attorney from a safe Democratic state who went on a campaign trip to Ohio this election day. I wrote the following email for a list to which I contribute about my experiences there.

* * *

A factor that has not been widely discussed as an issue in the Bush victory is the totally disorganized state of the Democrats as campaigners.  Will Rogers said, "I don't belong to any organized political party -- I'm a Democrat."  But they were winning back then when he said that. Now it's not funny any more. As they used to say in Chicago, "Votes Count But Organization Decides."  I saw little organization in Ohio.

We saw the disorganization from a distance with the Kerry campaign's inability to figure out how to present the candidate and what stand he was going to take on the issues, but I want to give a short personal account based on my anecdotal experience.

In the past I had been a long-time advocate of a "We Don't Do Democrats" position. In the 2000 election, I supported Ralph Nader. However, I put my independent politics on hold for this election, and actually not only voted for Kerry and gave him a lot of money, but also volunteered for him, going down to Columbus, Ohio, for Election Day and the previous Monday, to do whatever the Dems had for me to do.  I also brought a friend on this expedition. I stayed with other volunteers at a hotel that, being an overpaid lawyer, I paid for. And there were hundreds of volunteers from as far away as NY and Calif.

As far as I could tell from the worm's eye view, the Dems had no idea what they were doing in Columbus. I'm a lawyer, so they put me in touch with something called the Voter Protection Program (VPP), to fight expected GOP challenges to minority voters.  (Although intensely litigated and finally permitted by the federal appeals court, these did not emerge in a large scale in Columbus, anyway, so far as I heard.)

The VPP people planned and then canceled "mandatory" teleconferencing training, sent me emails saying I had not sent them my information (I had).  In the end participation in the program didn't require a law degree anyway because out-of-state voters couldn't campaign closer than 100 feet from the polling place, and out-of-state lawyers can't practice law in Ohio.

The VPP scheduled a meeting for Sun., which I missed because when I got into town I decided to visit friends, but it emerged at the training meeting held the next night  that on Sunday before the
VPP kept scores of mostly out-of-state mostly lawyers there from 7 to 10 without accomplishing anything concrete (or so many of them felt), and told them to come back the next day.  People who had traveled a distance were sort of mad about that.

Monday it was not easy to find something to do. I went down to DP HQ, which was in a  hard-to-find union hall on the south industrial part of town, and was a total zoo. It took me almost an hour to get assignments for myself and my friend. Other people in my hotel room reported similar frustration. My friend's assignment turned out not to exist, and then when we got another one, the directions to the place where they wanted to send her were wrong and incomprehensible. So she contacted Rock the Vote, which she located on her computer, stayed in her hotel room and called people in Pennsylvania using her cell phone. She said Rock the Vote was pretty good, by the way, actually organized. (Another friend reported that MoveOn was good in Ohio.)

My Monday assignment was to canvas known Democratic voters who had already been visited, supposedly, anyway. I did one minority-working class housing complex where it was hard to get into the buildings (locked outside doors), and not surprisingly few people were home during the day. I did, however, get into the buildings.  Many of the addresses were bad, despite there having been recent(?) visits. Then I canvased a middle-class suburban neighborhood, again visiting known Kerry supporters to remind them (again) to vote and to reconfirm addresses.

The woman directing the operation at the branch office I went to said she knew the guy who was coordinating the Ohio campaign and that he had coordinated state campaigns for Gore in 2000 and Clinton in 1996, and so was supposed to know what he was doing. She said that the job I had was necessary because they'd check at the polls on Election Day to see whether these people had voted and call them to make sure that they got to the polls if they hadn't yet. However, in the suburban areas 9at least)  it was a pretty good bet that people with Kerry yard signs were going to vote. The working class people, if they had the right address, were probably not at home during Tuesday (most of them were not at home on Monday).  I do hope some of them were encouraged to go to the polls by last minute phone calls.

Monday night I went to the VPP meeting. It may have been the worst organized meeting I have ever been to in my life, in a long life of attending badly run left and liberal meetings. It was chaired by a New York lawyer who had lots of experience and was the national VPP coordinator for the Dems, I think. There was an Ohio lawyer co-chair who could not answer a straight question or talk for less than 15 minutes at a time.  There was no agenda that I or other could discern.

There was also no parking, I will add --this was at the Seafarer's Union -- are there seafarers in Columbus, Ohio? -- and it had a parking lot that would just about fit the seafarers in Columbus. I illegally parked at a pizza place across the street and had to keep running out to check to make sure they had not towed my car. Which they did not, fortunately.

After a while they had all 100+ people in room introduce themselves, state where they were from, what experience they had, etc. Why was unclear. This would be OK in a 20 person meeting.  We wanted to know what we were supposed to do and where were supposed to go.  After the introductions and various digressions the NY lawyer gave us an inspirational speech and the Ohio lawyer explained in general and lengthy terms what we were supposed to do (which turned out in my case not to match what I did very closely at all). This repeated the stuff that they had already sent us in out emailed packets about the VPP. Then they mysteriously read off some names of people to be sent down stairs for some purpose. After a  bit one of this came up to rant about how disorganized everything was, he resented having flown 1000 miles and being subjected to pointless chaos. (Thereby irritating everyone else in the room who felt the same way.)

Then they  read off the names of everyone remaining one by one, and many who were not there because they had not come back after the previous night, sending us downstairs to get our assignments. There we waited in a single file line in a basement hallway for at least an hour while people got their locations and assignments. I was literally last in line, having lost my place when I went to the bathroom.

When I got to the assignment room, they asked me if I was a group captain. I said, "No one told me if I was, what's involved?" "You get the registered voter lists so you can see if people are listed, and you act as a sort of counsel to the community organizer at the polling place," said they. "OK," said I. I got back to the hotel at 10.30, needing to wake up at 5.15 am. The process could have taken an hour if they had been organized. Everyone was teed off, as you can imagine.

The assignments were for 13 1/2 hour days, 6 am to 7.30 pm -- although many of the volunteers were older and retired lawyers. Standing at the polls. Outside in the chilly  rain.  Despite there being more people than they could easily use, we were told. This was not thoughtful. We were told that sandwiches would driven around on election day -- none were, I went across the street to eat at Subway. Fortunately there was a restaurant near my polling place. Lots of polling places didn't have one.

On Election Day I stood alone -- no community activist, no other volunteers, no one but me -- all day from 6 am to 7.30 pm, with my pad (they didn't have clipboards either), my literature and my voting list, saying, "Hi, I'm an attorney from the Ohio Democratic Party Voter Protection Plan, and I'm here to help if you have any problems inside."  (I had to make up my own script, none was provided.) I did manage to save about four or five provisional ballots (which were not counted because Kerry conceded before they became an issue). When I called in at 7.30 p.m. there was still a 2-3 hour wait and they wanted me to stay anyway even though no one could come ion any more and I could not enter myself. Supposedly also there was an Ohio lawyer inside. I said to hell with it it and went back to the hotel to take a hot shower and sleep.

My friend reported that she had been assigned to drive people to the polls, she had been sent to about five houses, but had not in fact been needed at any of them. After a bit she went back to calling people through Rock the Vote. Others in my room said the deal was the same, pointless assignments that were hard to get, no support, confusion, lack of consideration.

That was how I spent Election Day and the day before in the battleground state of Ohio. People in my room bitterly reflected that if we had wanted work that mattered and reasonable organization we bet that we could have gotten it at Republican Party HQ. So, anyway, maybe my experience was atypical. But I doubt it. I think this lack of professionalism and seriousness was a factor in Kerry's defeat. I agree with my fellow volunteers who came to Ohio from NY and California and Kansas and Illinois and Oklahoma -- this was my room -- that the Republicans could not have been worse and were probably a lot better.


Daily Kos

Tags: (all tags) :: Previous Tag Versions

Permalink | 18 comments

  •  Two things: (none / 0)

    1. Thank you for trying, and doing what you could.  I sat outside a white, suburban, republican-leaning precinct just north of Columbus, in the rain, for 12 hours.  The only satisfaction I got was in pissing off 3 or 4 republican bullies who were annoyed by my MoveON sign.

    2.  I worked with MoveOn.  They were somewhat more organized, but their database was still broken.  We had three volunteers taking turns with canvassing and standing in the rain, waiting for voters who never checked in with us before voting.  Why were'nt we helping with the downtown precincts - bringing food, holding umbrellas, finding folding chairs - for the folks in 7-hour lines?

    I feel like I wasted my day.
    •  correction (none / 0)

      I was addressing the quoted writer, but my thanks applies to all of you who stood in the rain all that long, shitty day.
    •  Nice Theory (none / 0)

      And it would apply in any other election year, but not this one.

      There were three reasons to vote Democratic in 2004:

      1. John Kerry
      2. John Edwards
      3. NOT BUSH

      Any Democratic organization or lack thereof affected #1 and #2.

      Any candidate mishaps or successes affected #1 and #2.

      The biggest factor in Democrats' favor was the vote against Bush.

      The ABB VOTE is where you have to look for fraud, because it is the single largest and most determined voter block, one that did not care about long lines and database synchronization or GOTV vans or ACT/MoveOn/DNC incompetence or KKK costumes.

      The ABB VOTE was going to vote if it killed them and they turned out in force - early.

      Now the only question remaining is -- where are the ABB votes in the reported results?

      Why do early and absentee ballot votes have almost precisely the same kerry/bush ratio as votes cast on election day?

      These are the only two questions needed.  Neither traditional Dem GOTV successes or Republican sand-in-the-wheels dirty tricks are remotely comparable to the tidal wave of force that was the ABB Vote, because the ABB Vote was an immune response to the media machine of BC04.

      The fact is that Dems couldn't lose this election even if they wanted to.  

      So, were did the ABB Vote go?

  •  what a disaster (not everyone found it that bad) (none / 0)

    I answered the phones and did some other errands on election day for ACT-MN. (I had expected to doorknock with everyone else, but I spent much of the preeelection week volunteering in their office and they wanted me to answer phones.) Compared to anyone's ideal of organization, ACT was a bit frantic and a bit rushed. Compared to every other actual experience I have had with any other large organization ever, ACT was fantastic-- clear lines of authority, clear tasks for volunteers (and paid staff), sufficient resources (phone lines, food, cars, etc). My earlier experience volunteering for the MN DFL was not as good as my ACT experience (duplicative tasks, more volunteers than they knew what to do with, poorly-designed forms which produced hours of needless work for volunteers) but far better than your OH Dem nightmare (clear lines of authority, clear tasks with immediate benefits, decent division of labor).

    The Bush people seem to have done so well in part because they had a model (emailed instructions, neighbors talking to neighbors) which proved easy and cheap to implement; it didn't require large command-trees to be implemented fast among relative strangers.

    I hope the 527s stick around.

  •  Sounds like stories I've heard (none / 0)

    I went to Minnesota for a month as a volunteer for ACT. They had a pretty good organization. But I know some of the staff had had meetings and contacts with Ohio ACT and some of their stories sound like yours. FUBAR. That's why I was never confident about Ohio.
  •  What a Waste (none / 0)

    I am sorry that your dedication resulted in few results. These issues must be addressed whether by the Dem Party or the 527s immediately to ensure it doesn't happen again.

    Guys - we donated a lot of money, time and effort and we need to do it again - more effectively.

    At least let us screw up with new problemsm, not the same ones.

    "Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph." (T. Paine)

    by dmmteacher on Wed Nov 10, 2004 at 09:22:08 PM PDT

  •  The most rational explanation so far (none / 0)

    All of a sudden it is very clear and finally makes sense as to why Kerry lost. It wasn't morals and though I think the probability of fraud is real, the popular vote gap is just too big.

    I know that despite having donated to Kerry and a couple other campaigns the only contact I had from the Democratic party was the video Kerry's campaign sent out as a thank-you and a written letter of thanks from a congressional candidate. I realize that living in California just makes me an ATM for national contests, but, still.

    No calls, no visits, nothing. The Republicans stopped by and in my congressional race we got several pieces of mail. My republican coworkers all got robocalled by Arnold Schwarzne-I-don't-know-how-to-spell-it to get out to vote.

  •  asdf (none / 0)

    It sounds to me like they were overwhelmed, which is what I heard from a NYC lawyer friend who also went to OH.  I know she experienced the same things, so I know this person's experience was pretty typical.  

    Despite the disorganization, I know she saved some voters from having provisional ballots forced on them unnecessarily.  In the end, what else can you do?

  •  As for fixing... (none / 0)

    The biggest problem was the broken database and duplication of effort.  We were pissing people off with too many contacts and too little follow up.

    We have two years until midterm elections.  We need to fix the databases to make sure our efforts aren't wasted by trying to talk to non-existant people.  I can't get over the feeling utter futility I had on Tuesday afternoon, going door to door in pouring rain trying to find people who weren't home or apparantly hadn't lived at that address in years.

    •  WRITE IT DOWN (none / 0)

      Have your friends write down what went wrong and what went and most importantly, how you would go about fixing it. This is one of the biggest problems with ANY volunteer organization -- its all volunteer, noone is doing any of it for a salary and chances are they don't have actual experience in it. But we really need stuff like this documented so it can be fixed next time! The Dean campaign in Iowa was the same damn way. Too many volunteers, not enough work, too many duplicate databases. (I'm not really sure how this can work, honestly, since 527s and volunteer groups aren't allowed to coordinate with the parties. Could it be the Republicans cheated by coordinating any old way and saying to hell with the rules? It wouldn't surprise me). Maybe we need a third-party clearing house for things like databases. At an rate, we need to clean up those databases starting with the new year (noone wants to be bugged about shit like this between Thanksgiving and new year's).
  •  Institutional memory (none / 0)

    All these organizations are new, and coordination between 527s and parties/campaigns were not permitted, so there's plenty of refining to be done.

    ACT is asking its volunteers to record their experiences on this page, which will presumably be used to improve procedures in the future.

  •  my experience w/ Voter Protection (none / 0)

    in Michigan was just the opposite. They were extremely organized, offered about 10 different training sessions that you could pick from during the 2 weeks before. We all also had to do on-line training and pass a test. The on-line stuff was done by the DNC and they had a different course for each state, which I found impressive. Perhaps Ohio didn't join up with the DNC for this? Our little group came from Chicago to help.
    We got our precinct assignments the Sunday before, which gave us time to do our own mapquests. I was also offered about 4 people's homes to stay in if I didn't want to stay in a hotel. On election day, state and county dem volunteers were at the precinct all day and had runners to take calling sheets back to keep the voters coming. I'm from Chicago, and I was impressed by their organization.
    I am sorry to hear about Ohio's disorganization. I thought we had a chance there, and I am very disappointed that more Ohio lawyers didn't join voter protection, since in Ohio, unlike Michigan, only Ohio licensed attys could go inside the precinct, which IMO is key.
    I definitely think the Voter Protection Project is worthwhile. I brought a group of five, and I think all of us would do it again. I hope the next DNC Chair keeps this program, and I would be glad to help iron out the problems experienced in some areas.

    60 for the Senate. Obama 08.

    by bornadem on Wed Nov 10, 2004 at 09:45:31 PM PDT

    •  How hard is it (none / 0)

      and how long does it take as a lawyer to get licensed to practice law in another state? Maybe we should arrange to have a Voter Protection Bar Association to provide funding for lawyers who want to get licensed in swing states?
      •  It takes a while and it's costly (none / 0)

        Very good idea, but it takes a while and it's quite costly.  State Bar Associations are great at sucking up money--that's basically their only function. :)

        The good news is that even if you aren't licensed to practice in a state, as an out-of-state attorney you can still do a lot of good ... if you're properly utilized.

        I know three lawyers from my firm who went to Florida and they had a similar experience to this poster.  Sad, isn't it?  We need better organization next time.  Every time I think about how we lost despite spending more money and having more people than the Repugs, it makes me sick. :(

      •  Depending on the state (none / 0)

        you might have to re-take a portion of your bar exam, which is not something anyone would do, or you could get reciprocity if you can get some in-state sponsors and the court approves.
        That is a great idea. We need sponsor attorneys to start getting other lawyers licensed in swing states.

        60 for the Senate. Obama 08.

        by bornadem on Wed Nov 10, 2004 at 09:57:27 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Very rapid growth has pro's and con's (none / 0)

    I'm in a red state, so everything Dem is small scale.  

    They've had a county Dem party for ages, but I had never heard from them.  So there has always been a few people carrying on.

    When I started volunteering in September, the flood was building.  They increased their membership 10 times in those last 2 months.  Yeah, it was often crazy.  I think we over-called some people and never reached some core groups.  They never did figure out a good way to move the volunteer info around quickly or keep it organized.

    I don't think they've ever had those wonderful problems before, but they're a great sign of growth.

    But Ohio around the election? What a loss!  We should have had paid, seasoned staff in such a critical area.  These seem like rookie mistakes.

    •  Plausible Deniability 101 (none / 0)

      One caveat with "volunteer organizations" is that anyone can "volunteer", including the organizers of the organization.

      The consequences of sufficiently competent malice (bottom right quadrant) are indistinguishable from those of benevolent incompetence (top left quadrant).

      Trust Matrix

      High Benevolence, Low CompetenceHigh Benevolence, High Competence
      Low Benevolence, Low CompetenceLow Benevolence, High Competence

Permalink | 18 comments