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Specific Tom DeLay Action Items for House Dems

Thu Nov 18, 2004 at 09:29:43 PM PDT

[From the Diaries - MB]

Democrats in the House of Representatives have an opportunity to use the small news splash made by the adoption of the "Tom DeLay Rule" to cause some targeted parliamentary mischief, designed to extend the coverage of this shameful power grab.

What, specifically, can Democratic House Members do?

I have six ideas.

1.    Be prepared to offer "Tom DeLay Amendments" to high profile bills, especially those dealing with law enforcement. Or perhaps better yet, to every single bill offered during some prescribed period. For our purposes, a "Tom DeLay Amendment" will grant a blanket exemption from the bill's provisions, whatever they may be, to Tom DeLay and only Tom DeLay. Because as we all know, Tom DeLay is the subject of a prosecutorial witch-hunt, and needs special protection from the law.

No such "Tom DeLay Amendment" will ever be permitted under the rule for any bill, of course, but that's not the point. Participating Members need only seek time to join the regular debate on the bill, and instead inform the Chair that they intend to offer their amendment. They'll be told by the Chair that they're not recognized for such a purpose, but they should be prepared to drone on about the merits of their "Tom DeLay Amendment" anyway, right over the gavel and protestations from the Chair. They won't be able to hear themselves over the noise, nor will other Members be able to hear them on the floor, but I can assure you that the C-SPAN microphones will be working just fine, and everyone watching will hear you loud and clear.

When the Member is finally gaveled down and ruled out of order, he or she should move to appeal the ruling of the Chair. They'll lose on a voice vote, but they should be prepared to "demand the yeas and nays." That will force a purely procedural (and therefore purely party line) vote that Republicans will claim was an effort to stamp out Democratic obstructionism, but Democrats may claim was in fact a party line vote to continue to protect Tom DeLay from equal application of the law, but only when it's done behind closed doors in a secret vote of the Republican Conference.

2.    Get to work early for some "one minutes" on the subject of special legal protections for Tom DeLay. Most working days in the House begin with the recognition of some agreed-upon number of Members from both parties to address the House for one minute each, on any topic of their choosing. Ten Democrats should be prepared each morning to rehash the whole shameful episode. But one of them should also be prepared to mention Mr. DeLay by name, and tie him by inference to outright criminality. This will most likely draw sharp and immediate objections from any Republicans on the floor, who will either give the Democratic Member an opportunity to withdraw his or her words, or demand that they be "taken down," or stricken from the record.

Some of you may remember when Rep. Corrinne Brown was involved in such an episode in July. She had just accused Republicans of having "stolen" the election in 2000, and when her words were taken down, it provoked a floor fight - and thus national news coverage.

A designated Democratic speaker should be prepared to commit the same infraction, and demand a similar recorded vote on whether or not the words ought to be taken down. And it ought to happen every day for a week.

3.    Stay late for some "special orders." Like "one minutes," only longer. Many working days in the House end with special orders, for which Members sign up at the beginning of the day, and which entitle them to either 5 minutes or one hour, depending on their request. The special order was an old favorite of Newt Gingrich, when he was a back bencher. He and his cronies would go to the floor, with Gingrich managing the time, and yield time to one another for "colloquies," or short, supposedly informative exchanges about the policies they were discussing. A well-organized special order would give Democratic speakers an hour to just toss the ball around, rhetorically-speaking, having a casual or perhaps seminar-like exchange about the stunning hypocrisy of the Tom DeLay Rule and its shameful history.

4.    Break up the monotony of boring legislative action with parliamentary inquiries about the "Tom DeLay Amendment." Even if there isn't one. In fact, especially if there isn't one. Any Member can approach a microphone at any point during any debate and simply break in. "Parliamentary inquiry, Mr. Chairman!" The Republican in the Chair will no doubt heave a sigh and ask the Member to state his or her parliamentary inquiry. Simply ask, "Does this bill contain a Tom DeLay Amendment, Mr. Chairman? Because it is my understanding that the Gentleman from Texas, Mr. DeLay, could use some help, being that he's under attack by a "crackpot" D.A. down in Austin, and I just think Members should know whether or not we're doing enough to protect him from the law." Not surprisingly, it won't be accepted as a proper parliamentary inquiry. But it'll get a few laughs, and frankly, we ought to be using every tool we have to mock DeLay mercilessly for this, especially on free national television.

5.    Can't get a recorded vote on the "Tom DeLay Rule?" How about the next best thing? Democrats should introduce a proposed change to the Rules of the House that would prohibit execution of the duties assigned in the Rules to the Majority Leader if the Member occupying that position comes under indictment. Changing the House Rules requires passing a resolution, of course, and Tom DeLay certainly won't permit you to bring such a resolution to the floor, but there's always PR value in introducing such a measure, especially if you also file a...

6.    Discharge petition. It's the only way to force a bill to the floor over the Majority Leader's objection. And in this case, there's added Bonus Irony: the names of Members signing a discharge petition are now a matter of public record, thanks to that other rules change forced through by Republicans in 1993. If you ask me, it's too sweet to pass up.

So there you have it. Six separate action items the House Democrats could take up tomorrow to strengthen and build on the "legs" produced by Republican shame over the "Tom DeLay Rule."

If we don't see action, it won't be for lack of ideas.

Well, we won't be able to rule out the three day Congressional workweek as a hurdle to implementing the plan immediately, either. But that's a story for another day.

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  •  Very good (4.00 / 12)

    I recommended it.

    This is nice work and is parallel to something I've been thinking of doing.  I want to send Senators a prepared list of research and sample questions to ask of any appointees that might happen to come before them or their committees.  For instance, there's plenty of terrifically embarassing questions you could ask Condaleeza Rice, starting with "Were you the National Security Advisor on September 10, 2001?" and moving on from there.  The key being to provide actual research, facts, references and follow-up questions regarding a specific appointee's record.

    I think you should send your 6 ideas to your representative.

  •  Which Reps (4.00 / 3)

    I will fax a copy to Robt. Wexler here in Florida.
    I think the young man Ryan showed great strength with his blistering tirade before the election on the draft. Someone from Ohio should send it to him. Also Harold Ford would be another scraper I can think of. Get it circulating up there and we might see some action. Also Nancy Pelosi and Sheila Jackson Lee.
    •  He sure did (none / 0)

      Listening to him speak was a very happy moment for me. Now that's the way it's done!

      War is not an adventure. It is a disease. It is like typhus. - Antoine De Saint-Exupery

      by Margot on Thu Nov 18, 2004 at 11:37:47 PM PDT

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    •  Rep.-for-life Louise Slaughter (none / 0)

      (NY-28) probably has nothing to lose.  Let's send it to her, too.

      In fact, I think we should use this for a lot of ideas: ending red state welfare, articles of impeachment for Bush, etc.

      McCain: Less jobs, more war.

      by Unstable Isotope on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 03:35:32 AM PDT

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    •  Rep for Life (none / 0)

      Rosa Delauro (sp?) CT is as safe as they come as well...  The you would have to redistrict her to include just her house and all the Repubs in the state (and she still might win!?.
    •  Write your Congressman (none / 0)

      Just e-mailed this list to Martin Frost, who's still my representative, dammit. Many thanks for posting it!

      "You with your big words, and your...small, difficult words!" -- Peter Griffin
      ePluribus Media

      by Penny Century on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 09:44:17 AM PDT

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    •  Reps for Life on the Progressive Caucus (none / 1)

      Here's a more complete list of "reps for life" who are members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus on the D side who really have no chance of losing their district (far as I can tell):

      Neil Abercrombie, HI
      Tammy Baldwin, WI
      Xavier Becerra, CA
      Corrine Brown, FL
      Sherrod Brown, OH
      Michael Capuano, MA
      Julia Carson, IN
      William Clay, Jr., MO
      John Conyers, Jr., MI
      Danny K. Davis, IL
      Pete DeFazio, OR
      Rosa DeLauro, CT
      Lane Evans, IL
      Sam Farr, CA
      Chaka Fattah, PA
      Bob Filner, CA
      Barney Frank, MA
      Raul Grijalva, AZ
      Luis Gutierrez, IL
      Maurice Hinchey, NY
      Sheila Jackson Lee, TX
      Jesse Jackson, Jr., IL
      Stephanie Tubbs Jones, OH
      Marcy Kaptur, OH
      Dennis Kucinich, OH
      Tom Lantos, CA
      Barbara Lee, CA
      John Lewis, GA
      Jim McDermott, WA
      James P. McGovern, MA
      George Miller, CA
      Jerry Nadler, NY
      Eleanor Holmes Norton, DC
      John Olver, MA
      Major Owens, NY
      Ed Pastor, AZ
      Donald Payne, NJ
      Nancy Pelosi, CA
      Bobby Rush, IL
      Bernie Sanders, VT
      Jan Schakowsky, IL
      Jose Serrano, NY
      Hilda Solis, CA
      Pete Stark, CA
      Bennie Thompson, MS
      John Tierney, MA
      Tom Udall, NM
      Nydia Velazquez, NY
      Maxine Waters, CA
      Diane Watson, CA
      Mel Watt, NC
      Henry Waxman, CA
      Lynne Woolsey, CA

      Way back when, Rosa DeLauro organized the message for one-minutes on the floor.  Don't know if she does any more, though.  Hope this helps.

      •  defunct website for Progress Caucus (none / 0)

        The Progressive Caucus has a website but it appears to be pretty defunct. When you click on "issues," it tells you about the need to maintain affirmative action. That was posted about the time of the University of Michigan oral arguments before the Supreme Court.

        As I say, pretty defunct but might be of some help with getting members' names.

        Turn the Mountain West blue! Support Gary Trauner for Wyoming's only House seat!

        by kainah on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 05:34:42 PM PDT

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  •  Brilliant. . . (4.00 / 4)

    I've been waiting for someone to suggest using parliamentary rules and procedure back against the Republicans.  But I never expected the first effort out to taste so good.  There are other little-known procedural nooks and crannies to exploit as well --- such as private bill procedure.  But this is a very, very good idea.  I just hope someone's listening.
    •  Parlementary Inquiry & Senate Confirmations? (none / 1)

      This seems too good to confine to the House only.

      Couldn't such inquiries also be made a part of the upcoming Senate confirmation hearings?

      Might a judge or agency head nominee be asked what they think of the 'embattled' DeLay situation and the House attempt to shield him through weakening their ethics rules?  

      Perhaps asking if they approve of such shielding efforts in general, or in specific cases--and what would be the circumstances?

      Or would you hope to see the weakening of ethics rules governing the accountability of leaders in other areas of government, besides the House of Representatives?

      When life gives you wingnuts, make wingnut butter!

      by antirove on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 01:55:22 PM PDT

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  •  Legislating as Street Theater (4.00 / 7)

    I love it.

    The best part is using humor against something without any; when all else fails--and with the way DeLay runs the House, pretty much all else will fail--it's best to resort to mockery.  

    After all, Gingrich got his majority by, among other things, mocking the good intentions and credulity of Democrats.  Maybe we can get back the majority in part by mocking their contempt for the law.  

    The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

    by DHinMI on Thu Nov 18, 2004 at 09:04:48 PM PDT

  •  Hey, What About Reading the Bills? (4.00 / 3)

    I was once involved in a legislative pissing match where our side--the minority party--was getting railroaded, and knew it was going to happen, but managed to pull a fast one where the Repubs had to read--literally read, not say "the bill having been read a second time," but literally read--a ninety page bill.  I don't know the rules of the House, but what about something like that for the actual DeLay bill, and anything else that could be characterized, fairly or not, as a "DeLay Bill?"

    The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

    by DHinMI on Thu Nov 18, 2004 at 09:07:23 PM PDT

    •  Should this be called the... (none / 0)

      DeLay Delay Strategy?

      Political Protest Techno by gee dub bee. Yes, techno. No, really.

      by geedubbee on Thu Nov 18, 2004 at 11:01:15 PM PDT

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    •  Yes. Easy to do. (4.00 / 11)

      At various stages of progress through the House, by rule bills are technically supposed to be read aloud in their entirety. It is almost always bypassed by unanimous consent.

      The Speaker, or the Chair, depending on whether the House is meeting as the House or as the Committee of the Whole, announces, "Without objection, the readig of the bill will be dispensed with."

      Just stand up and say, "I object, Mr. Speaker."

      Even better, "Mr. Speaker, reserving the right to object, and I do not object at this time, I would pose a parliamentary inquiry. Does the bill we are about to have read to us, word for word, page for page, for hour after hour, contain a 'Tom DeLay Rule?' Because if not..."

      They'll let you go on for a while before demanding to know whether or not you really object to dispensing with the reading.

      Then, when you can't hold the microphone anymore, you simply make your objection formal.

  •  LOL!! (none / 0)

    Too tired to say more.  I too like "street theater"/"performance art".

    John McCain is so (Ned) Divine!!

    by Glinda on Thu Nov 18, 2004 at 09:15:12 PM PDT

  •  Nice tactics (4.00 / 5)

    I bet even the SCLM couldn't avoid covering it.
    "Dems invoke Delay Amendment for the 66th day in a row, Speaker objects from home detention in TX."
  •  DeLightful DeLovely DeLay (4.00 / 4)

    The House changes the rule so that leadership can retain their posts after being indicted.

    After DeLay is indicted they can change the rule so that he can retain his post after conviction, pending appeal for politically motivated prosecutions.

    During appeal, they will change the rules so that he can retain his post after being sentenced for politically motivated prosecutions.

    However, after he is finally sent to prison and becomes somebodies BIATCH, they won't do anything because they don't pass laws that protect sodomists.

  •  Great Post (1.88 / 9)

    Check out Bluest State for more thoughts on what we can do about Tom DeLay's latest ethical failing.  linked text

    Bringing the country together by turning every state Blue. Bluest State

    by Tim from VA on Thu Nov 18, 2004 at 09:28:53 PM PDT

  •  Tom Terrific (none / 0)

    I put up a diary yesterday inviting us to name the "Tom Delay Rule" and some good titles were posted.  But I think it makes sense to stick him and the GOP with the name.  Forever.

    Although, if asked to explain the rule to non-political types, I use an analogy to criminal law: One Strike and You're In.

    Great set of recommendations.

  •  35645 (3.25 / 4)

    no no no!  they should be much more mischevious about it!

    just like the "gay" and "straight" sign prank in honor of banning gay marriage, someone should get a bunch of signs made up that say "tom delay" and "not tom delay" or some such.  and put them places, like senate library chairs, water fountains, toilets, etc.

    it'd be hysterical!

    seriously...this needs to be a stealth assault - a barrage of scathing humor.  like, make up crazy photoshop pieces of delay and leave them in random spots around the government buildings.  or better yet - yes, i am evil - if anyone is in a position to abuse postal priveleges, we could print up a wicked delay card and mail it to all of them! hahahaha!

    i'll be in the d.c. area soon and would be glad to help with any mischief1

    "Government, like dress, is the badge of lost innocence; the palaces of kings are built upon the ruins of the bowers of paradise." Thomas Paine, Common Sense

    by Cedwyn on Thu Nov 18, 2004 at 09:31:04 PM PDT

  •  I love these! (4.00 / 27)

    These are GREAT ideas.

    Tomorrow morning, I will be speaking with Congresswoman Marcy Kaptur.  I'll send your 6 ideas on to her (she's a pistol....she'll LOVE them)

    Nothing to see here, move along

    by Jeff Seemann on Thu Nov 18, 2004 at 09:33:15 PM PDT

  •  Wonderful Ideas - DeLay delays. (none / 0)

    As others have commented, the theater aspect of it is wonderful, a constant reminder of what a sleaze DeLozer is.

    An added bonus will be if under constant provocation by dems in the house his head explodes.

    the third eye does not weep. it knows. Political compass: -9.75 / -8.72

    by mijita on Thu Nov 18, 2004 at 09:33:24 PM PDT

  •  oh man (none / 0)

    it would feel so good if Dems had the guts to put this program into action, and just might get the word out. The Republicans would accuse them of making a mockery of the House of Reps and wasting time and being mean and that sort of thing, but so what?
    •  A mockery? (4.00 / 2)

      As opposed to what the Republicans are currently doing in the House?
    •  Mom, make them stop! (3.77 / 9)

      I'm sorry, but the fact that they'd be whining about our use of procedure when it's because of THEIR egregious use of procedure that we're in this mess-- that's fucking hysterical. :D

      Also, rules of House procedure are pretty incomprehensible to the normal person.  Or even the reasonably educated person.  To whip up outrage, they'd have to explain to Joe Sixpack what happened in the first place.  And if Joe is still listening after that, they'll have to explain what they were teasing DeLay about.  DeLay and indictment will be constantly linked in everyone's minds.  

      Moral majority indeed.

      You can't tame the white supremacist power structure with cheese!

      by andlorr on Thu Nov 18, 2004 at 10:22:09 PM PDT

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      •  C-SPAN needs... (none / 1)

        concurrent color commentary, just like sports broadcasts. Complete with graphics showing the seats occupied currently in the Congress. Graphical representations of votes. Even "bubble ups" or a ticker at the bottom, explaining procedure.

        Might be viewed as demeaning and juvenile by some, but who cares. It might even attract more viewers.

        People in Eurasia on the brink of oppression: I hope it's gonna be alright... Pet Shop Boys: Introspective

        by rgilly on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 02:41:46 AM PDT

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      •  Fun for all (none / 0)

        Let's focus some fun on:

        Instead of "Tom DeLay Rules", how about "Felony Rules"?

        Send a felon to Congress.  It's DeLonely at the top!

        Ethics?  We don't need no stinkin' ethics!

        Felony is NOT a family value.

        What's the difference between Ken Lay and Tom Delay? DeLay already rules da big house.

    •  Newt Gingrich (none / 0)

      came to power by giving fiery speeches to empty rooms.

      McCain: Less jobs, more war.

      by Unstable Isotope on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 03:38:53 AM PDT

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  •  Nice Work (4.00 / 10)

    House Democrats should proceed... without delay!

    Full Disclosure: I am Chair of the Darius Shahinfar for Congress Campaign Committee in NY-21.

    by Andrew C White on Thu Nov 18, 2004 at 09:38:43 PM PDT

  •  The guy who sits in the cube next to me (4.00 / 9)

    is a republican, and is disgusted by DeLay, the "Moral Majority".  He even told me he was listening to Air America the other day.

    He even told me you "can't legislate morality".  I diared about that somewhere once.

    Dems 2006, 2008... kick the GOP bombs out.

    Don't diss Bush...  he will go away.  Diss all republicans.  Bush hate doesn't win elections.

    "Cynicism is a sorry kind of wisdom" - Barack Obama

    by pacified on Thu Nov 18, 2004 at 09:40:32 PM PDT

    •  Excellent point.... (4.00 / 3)

      especally at the end.

      If the Dems, and us supporters in the 'real world', can spend more time degrading the Repug party, with less focus on individuals per se, it makes it harder for the Repugs to characterize it as a vicious personal attack by a bunch of snotty elitists.  

      Those who fail to learn from history...are invited to submit an application for a position in the Bush administration.

      by Timoteo on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 03:21:24 AM PDT

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      •  You guys are great.. (none / 0)

        I just hope they listen to you and implement your ideas. I've been saying the same thing- forget Bush, he'll hang himself. It's time to hit the Repubs fast and furious.
      •  Kick ass and take names (none / 0)

        I say we stick with the worst individuals and make our case that way.  We can't convince those "swingers" and "undecideds" that the entire party is bad - we need those border republicans.  

        What we can do is press the individual cases and then make it cumulative.  Kickin' ass AND takin' names.  Death by 1,000 cuts.

        The overall party will get stained by BuchCo.  Where we can help is leaving little wiggle room for them to distance themselves from BushCo. come 06, 08.

    •  Good thinking! (none / 0)

      I gave you a 4 because your post is simple, elegant, and brilliant.  Why waste the time trashing individuals, when they can come back and say we're "elitist snobs who just can't stand a Gawd-fearin' good ol'boy with a "mandate" from the Big Beard in the Sky?"  They've made party loyalty the number one focus for their members...so even the ones who think for themselves still pay dearly when they don't toe the party line.  So let's make fun of the party.  Tie them to something ridiculous.  If Joe sixpack won't respond to the seriousness of the situation, maybe he'll respond to the ridiculousness.

      He Lied. He Spied. He Must Be Tried!

      by athenap on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 07:21:10 AM PDT

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  •  And boy! (none / 0)

    Would it ever piss him off. He is not known for his sense of humor.

    Full Disclosure: I am Chair of the Darius Shahinfar for Congress Campaign Committee in NY-21.

    by Andrew C White on Thu Nov 18, 2004 at 09:40:52 PM PDT

  •  Intriguing (3.71 / 7)

    This is really intriguing. I'm especially jazzed about the idear that Tom Delay might be the only person permitted to perform an abortion while retaining complete immunity from the death penalty (no mean feat, considering he ain't even a doctor like Bill "Cat-Killer" Frist).

    You folks are just a bunch of low-down, dirty rabble-rousers. That's why I luv y'all so much!

    In loving memory: Sophie, June 1, 1993-January 17, 2005. My huckleberry friend.

    by Paul in Berkeley on Thu Nov 18, 2004 at 09:43:51 PM PDT

  •  George Delay Rule (none / 0)

    This is a prelude for allowing Bush to keep his job after impeachment.
  •  Love this (4.00 / 2)

    and am sending to my rep, Jim McDermott. If you have a Dem House rep, send them a link to this diary!

    "There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty." - John Adams.

    by mcjoan on Thu Nov 18, 2004 at 09:48:56 PM PDT

    •  Wish I saw your comment earlier (none / 1)

      ...Before I sent McDermott a copy of this diary. :)

      On the other hand, if enough of us sent copies his way, I'm sure that'd just encourage him.

      If DeLay is the Hammer, and as someone suggested, Peolsi is the Icepick, maybe we can start calling McDermott the Monkey Wrench?

      The mind of the bigot is like the pupil of the eye; the more light you pour upon it, the more it will contract. -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

      by lilithvf1998 on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 04:12:15 PM PDT

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    •  off-topic (none / 0)

      Say, mcjoan, are you going to any of the MoveOn parties on Sunday?

      The mind of the bigot is like the pupil of the eye; the more light you pour upon it, the more it will contract. -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

      by lilithvf1998 on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 04:12:53 PM PDT

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      •  Didn't know about them (none / 0)

        Did you know about the dKos get together tomorrow night at Pike Brewery? Plutonium Page is going to be in town, so we're hosting her. 6:00 pm at Pikes, 1st and Union.

        "There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty." - John Adams.

        by mcjoan on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 07:56:53 PM PDT

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  •  After a Truth in Voting act... (none / 0)

    ... Tom Delay is the next menace that needs to be dealt with.  #1.. and #2.

    Obstruction of Justice: Most people are idiots... But don't tell them. It'll spoil all the fun for those of us who aren't.

    by d3n4l1 on Thu Nov 18, 2004 at 09:50:07 PM PDT

  •  Excellent Post (none / 0)

    Thank you very much for this extremely well-thought-out post.  It would be great to see some or all six of your suggestions made real.

    I actually liked number one the best.  Just slap a DeLay Amendment on to everything -- genius!

  •  asdf (none / 0)

    It would make the C-SPAN coverage of the House proceedings less of a snooze and really entertaining!  

    ... like the BBC coverage of the House of Commons.  I always tune in when I visit across the pond.

    John McCain is so (Ned) Divine!!

    by Glinda on Thu Nov 18, 2004 at 09:54:37 PM PDT

  •  Nah (none / 0)

    The GOP rule change will mean very little unless Delay is actually indicted.  The Dems could get a little traction on it, but not for very long.  

    The rule change will only be significant if Delay is actually indicted, because he will remain House Majority Leader.  If that happens, then the House GOP will have shot itself in the foot.  They will be led by an accused felon, and all of the details of his prosecution will be magnified.  That would be a tremendous opportunity for the Dems.  Everytime they discuss new piece of Republican corruption and dishonesty, they could frame it in terms of the GOP House Majority Leader and accused felon, Tom Delay.  The Republicans can whine about politically motivivated prosecutions all they want, but they will still be whining.  

    Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

    by johnny rotten on Thu Nov 18, 2004 at 09:54:45 PM PDT

    •  Actually. . . (none / 1)

      The Republicans-in-the-minority got a lot of milage out of just this sort of stuff during the early ninetees.  It would just be pleasing as punch to make them eat it now that they're in charge.
      •  But you're right. . . (none / 1)

        real damage will only come once that grand jury produces and indictment.
        •  Can't wait for this to be suddenly nullifed (none / 0)

          should a Dem rise to a position of power and get indicted. This will change back so fast, it will make your head spin.
        •  DeLay will say (none / 0)

          that the indictment is political, as he did in his press conference today.

          A case of the R's relying on Americans to know nothing about civics...

          For an indictment to be political, there would have to be a grand jury that was political...

          If we don't believe in juries then the justice system is more f'ed up than we care to admit.

          De Lay is an ass.  Period.  End of discussion.

          I hated Bush before it was cool.

          by daveriegel on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 08:06:53 PM PDT

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      •  Absolutely (none / 0)

        Many people blame the 1994 Republican takeover on Clinton, but I think it was Rostenkowski and the Post Office scandal, more than anything, that allowed the Republicans to mount a "throw the bums out" campaign.  They played it beautifully.  

        Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

        by johnny rotten on Thu Nov 18, 2004 at 10:03:15 PM PDT

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    •  The rule would still be in effect (none / 0)

      The rethugs would still be making a fuss.  And that is the least hypocritical thing that they would be doing.  As long as the rule is in effect, it shows that they are a group of unethical hypocrites, or worse.
  •  The real power behind this great diary: (3.92 / 14)

    It plays upon the popularist notions of the made for television drama.  
    It has all the merits of the proven network formulas: 1. pretense of comedy which can masquerade as satire, while 2. providing a gripping suspense brought about by an 3. emphasised good versus evil morality dichotomy.  It is a way to  position our cause as the protagonist in the drama.

    We, and our chosen representatives, might admit the fact that political celebrity is a thinly veiled, while elevated, form of the celebrity of entertainment.  Today's opening ceremonies at the Clinton Library call this pseudo-distinction into question.  As a culture in such a time as warrants a more aggresive association with political discourse, we are soon coming upon a reality in which more and more individuals garner their evening entertainment from tuning into c-span drama instead of tuning into the other cable options available.  

    I've been forced to watch the major network dramas starring the likes of William Shatner on Sunday night, and as gripping as they can make them with token shock value and sex appeal, I would rather tune into the drama that was laid before us in this great Kagro X scenario.  

    This is the true nature of "reality television".  You can delete the quotation marks.  It really does affect your life.  How much more gripping can you get, really?  This is the language that we have chosen for ourselves by our voting with our collective remote control.  

    Let us demand that it work in the favor of the common good, rather than squander the opportunity by sacrificing the medium to the gods of commerce and greed.  Let's vote Delay off the island already!  The future is in our hands.  
    If we all watch c-span every day and never tune into the networks, they will be forced to adopt the new paradigm of advertisement success.  In this new paradigm lies the salvation of the party of minority representation and majority viewership!  

    Awake ye consumers of hypocrisy!  Unto thee the new world shall be born!

    Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear. ~William E. Gladstone, 1866

    by intrados on Thu Nov 18, 2004 at 10:04:36 PM PDT

    •  Of course, I'm already there. (none / 1)

      Joe Sixpack, however, won't be tuning into C-SPAN anytime soon.

      Nevertheless, shenanigans like this will make the evening news and, if done enough, will eventually sink into Joe's consciousness.

      I love this diary! Between this and scotch, I'm feeling much more optimistic right now.;-)

    •  Wow. (none / 1)

      Hopefully it's not too far outside the boundaries of etiquette to give a 4 to a post that calls your own post "great." Truth be told, I hadn't given the societal implications that much thought!

      But you've got something there.

      •  Now I've really done it. (none / 0)

        I give you a 4 back because I think that giving mojo to someone who gives you mojo is perfectly acceptable as long as they have something legitimate to add.  So, to add something legitimate to this reply, it seems to me that society should give more "reciprocal 4's" in real life.  Smiles and good nature are contagious after all.  Maybe sessions of the UN should have a mandatory mojo session and round of handshakes where everyone has to say something positive about each other country.  I would love to see that on C-span when they come around to Israel, and Ambassador Gillerman or whoever has to compliment all of their neighbors on at least one issue.  
        Thanks again for your diary.

        Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear. ~William E. Gladstone, 1866

        by intrados on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 09:13:51 AM PDT

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  •  Better yet, (none / 0)

    why not just get a group of articulate representatives and senators, both moderates and liberals, who are in safe seats to bust his balls for his shitty proposals and to offer sensible Democratic counter proposals. (Conservatives can participate, too, but I imagine many would not, since their seats might be a lot less safe than others.) Have them make the rounds of talk shows and such. This will take care of a lot of the aura and message problem from which we usually suffer.

    "But Democrats mustn't give up the fight. What's at stake isn't just the fate of their party, but the fate of America as we know it."-Paul Krugman

    by theprogressivemiddle on Thu Nov 18, 2004 at 10:35:13 PM PDT

  •  maybe in Bizarro Congress (3.87 / 8)

    I hate diaries like this one, because my first thought is always "why the hell isn't Kagro X my congressperson? Then we'd see some serious action." As it is, though, these are great ideas that will never see the light of day, because our new, weakened minority party is striking a "conciliatory" tone with the opposition.

    JUST ONCE, I'd like to see some of the brilliant ideas cooked up here in the DKos labs come to fruition. As it is, though, it's like writing a sermon that no one will hear. No one comes near.

    Like many who are trapped in the Bush economy, I'm not exactly living large, but I'd empty my wallet for the reelection campaign of any Congressperson who stepped up and took Kagro X's advice. Come on... stick it to Tom DeLay and fill your own coffers. What do you say?

    The Constitution may not be perfect, but it's a lot better than what we've got!

    by buddhistMonkey on Thu Nov 18, 2004 at 10:53:58 PM PDT

    •  Take a look upthread ... (none / 0)

      do a Find on "Marcy Kaptur".

      From your lips to god's ear.

      It could happen.

      John McCain is so (Ned) Divine!!

      by Glinda on Thu Nov 18, 2004 at 11:03:57 PM PDT

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      •  marcy (2.14 / 7)

        So someone who failed to get a rep seat will call another rep. Or did you think Seeman won?  Well, he didnt.

         Err, so what? Its not like Marcy said yes and she's going to do any of this.

        Man, the blogosphere needs to realize its own impotence.  It didnt win the election for Dean or Kerry and it wont pull this off.

    •  dKos Labs... (none / 0)

      Better Living through Blogging.

      <mental image of Dr. Bunsen Honeydew from Muppet Labs won't leave my brain now.  I volunteer to play Beaker.>

      Yes, I'm an Angry Homo. Now get a ladder and get over it.

      by 40 and Fabulous on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 01:56:11 AM PDT

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      •  Nicely done. (none / 0)

        And by the way, I think the blogs have a huge impact.  

        Kerry's call for health care for all American kids may not have come from a blog, but it's the KIND of thing that many of us here on Kos have been saying...

        We need to set the agenda, lay out our values in terms of policy, force the R's to deal with us.  They CAN'T ignore this bill once Kerry writes it, and if they do they show how mean spirited and hypocritical their professed Christianity is.

        So Kargo's suggestion may not come to fruition exactly as it is stated.... But if we keep talking about these kind of tactics I definitely believe it will have an impact.  

        We keep talking about fighting back ferociously... and people in Congress will listen.

        I hated Bush before it was cool.

        by daveriegel on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 08:13:35 PM PDT

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  •  I Couldn't... (4.00 / 3)

    agree with you more!   This is the exact type of thing that teh Dems need to look strong again.   When they look strong they will be thought of as strong and they will not only be a party that fights the other party, but they will be able to draw in a lot of those who only voted for bush because he is "strong".   When the Dems fight, they will win votes.   When they play it safe, they will lose.   GREAT diary.  
  •  Extend the concept to Messrs Chaney, Bush, and Rov (none / 1)

    Since it now appears that the source of the Plame disclosure was near the top ....

    Since we have elected these folks to run the country ...

    Since it would cause a constitutional crisis if one of them were indicted ...

    I propose:

    That the Congress pass an exemption form prosecution should the President or the Vice-president be indicted for disclosing the identity of a CIA officer.

  •  This is excellent not only (4.00 / 7)

    for the specific suggestions it gives for what the Democrats in the House should be doing to needle them about this as much as possible, but also as a general template for the next two (four) years.  There is very little Democrats will be able to affect substantively at this point, and our only weapons will be creative protest and a determined willingness to expose their hypocrisy and hubris.

    Kagro X, you should be designing strategy for the House Dems.  Assuming someone's already forwarded this to Pelosi, who just may be game, I'm sending it off to my former congressman in Austin, Lloyd Doggett, who is one of the best, as well as my very good current congresswoman, Anna Eshoo.

    -- Stu

  •  Hmm. (3.00 / 2)

    Those are beautiful idea's and I'd love to flip on CSPAN some time and see it.  But Democrats definitly need to think of themselves as the opposition party and do what every self respecting opposition party does, bring every interesting idea any congressman has thought of and start making speech's.  Nothing is going to get passed so why not go for broke, there is nothing to lose.  

    Shoot we can help.  If you have a creative idea about policy or anything that doesn't have a chance in hell of passing and can score some political points, send it to whatever democratic congressman is in your state, or send them to every democratic congressman.  This post is brilliant and I'd love to see more like it.

    And as this post showed me, I have almost no knowledge of procedure in either the senate or the house and so it might be a good idea for all of us , though mostly me, to get a good understanding of those rules as a better way of reaching out to the poor democrats who have to live in the days of delay.

    Our virtues are usually only our vices in disguise. La Rochefoucauld

    by Parmenides on Thu Nov 18, 2004 at 11:34:29 PM PDT

  •  great ideas (3.75 / 8)

    But why wait for just any old bill?

    Introduce a "Tom DeLay Campaign Finance Reform Bill" that specifically and in great detail prohibits any House member from engaging in those activities for which Tom DeLay is under investigation. Then introduce an amendment to exempt Tom DeLay from this law.

  •  I emailed this to... (none / 0)

    Diana DeGette, CO-1, she's my House Rep,
    Mark Udall, CO-2. He's not, but he's from Colorado. And,

    Nancy Pelosi.

    It will be interesting if any of them actually do this.

  •  Good Entry (none / 0)

    I think maybe I should send some of these ideas to my US Rep. The guy's seat is safe as it gets, so I don't think he'll be to worried about going out on a limb.
  •  Hell just whine and complain... (none / 0)

    ....that he's the victim of a "vast left-wing conspiracy."

    So, I guess this would be the sign-up sheet?

    "Same shit, Different Nixon." - Driftglass

    by roxtar on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 01:11:14 AM PDT

    •  A conspiracy for justice (none / 0)

      I'll sign up for that.

      And, let's see what we can do to keep Ronnie Earle (Travis County DA) from being slimed. He's a tough old bird, but I don't want to let these whiners get away with this as a warning for the future.

      Before you win, you have to fight. Come fight along with us at TexasKaos.

      by boadicea on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 08:48:20 AM PDT

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  •  you made me laugh until i just about peed (3.50 / 2)

    i will make sure that these are communicated to mrs pelosi's office tomorrow (friday). she has shown no fear of the hammer.  

    btw, i nearly died when thinking about how #4 would play out in the house. just nearly peed my pants thinking about henry waxman or rahm emmanuel or rosa delauro pestering withtheir rejoinder "excuse me, mister chairman, but does this bill contain a tom deLay amendment?"

    and you know what, since it is all about tom deLay anyway (the poor persecuted man), why don't the dems just get one step ahead of the inevitable and call for the 109th congress to be re-named the "1st deLay congress" in a sign of solidarity with the man whose name symbolizes more than just a tactic.

    WWDD?  what wouldn't deLay do?

    _______________

    it's their screen name because they couldn't figure out how to spell "moran."

    -9.75 (e), -7.18 (s)

    by dadanation on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 01:14:22 AM PDT

  •  How about (4.00 / 4)

    a bill to exempt DeLay from any present and future bans on gay marriage?
  •  Only in the fantasy world (none / 1)

    I like the idea, but it would only happen in the fantasy world. The Democrats are too meek to do something this ballsy. Their reaction to the Nov. 2 defeat is to compromise and give in to everything the Republicans demand. My reaction, to quote Winston Churchill, "We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills;we shall never surrender." This proposal to show the recent rule change for what it really is, a partisan measure to protect a crook, is what we need. Make them look bad, get there names on the record, and make sure the public knows exactly what is going on. Screw PR. I'm tired of being nice so the 51% that voted for Bush will like the 49% who didn't. They don't like us, in fact, they loathe us and will do anything to destroy our way of life. I find it interesting that the South (who eventually secede) prior to the Civil War opposed a national day of Thanksgiving because they thought it imposed the VALUES of New England on them. Interesting, eh?
  •  Why not copy them? (none / 0)

    Didn't the Republicans implement the indictment rule back when they were in the minority in order to embarrass Democrats with questionable ethics? Why don't Democrats do something similar now (i.e. implement a rule that house Democratic leadership would have to step down if indicted)?
    •  Yes... (none / 0)

      I had the same thought. No matter how slimy this rule change is, it's kind of hard for the Democrats to criticize it when their caucus has no rule that would hold their own leaders to this standard.  If the Republicans are going to cede the moral high ground, the Democrats shouldn't be afraid to step in and claim it.

      "You must be the change you wish to see in the world."--Gandhi

      by H Mac on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 07:55:22 AM PDT

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  •  DeLay Tactics (none / 0)

    I just sent this diary off to Rep. Jim McGovern from MA.  I'd love to see someone try this!
  •  I think the time has come (4.00 / 2)

    for the dem caucus to have one specific staffer (assuming they dont already) who is well versed in parliamentary rules, the personal foibles of the other side's members and is a viciously partisan, down and dirty SOB for the post of dem caucus ratfucker.  They would plan out strategy, write talking points, etc for overall house floor and media takedowns whenever an opportunity arises, or better yet, manufacture some.

    Like Digby says, we need a better show, and nothing gets ratings like a cat fight.  Unfortunatly, I dont think the current democratic party leadership has enough fire in the belly to do this yet.

    Wingnuts hate Big Media cause it sometimes tells the truth.
    We should hate it for the rest of the time when it don't.
    Oh, also when they eat brains.

    by Ugluks Flea on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 06:11:12 AM PDT

    •  I agree. We need an Offensive Coordinator. (4.00 / 5)

      We can't seem to get a decent Head Coach, but we can get a coordinator.

      I used to work on the Hill, a fact which might be obvious from the the specificity of the suggestions I made, and I can't recall ever running into someone who had this portfolio, though God knows I begged the people I worked for to let me take it.

      One of the big things standing in the way of such activity is that the primary obligation of leadership still appears to be raising money for other Members. That's how you get elected to the leadership. It's not your capacity for inspiring the ranks, it's your ability to raise and pass out money. Of course, a well-coordinated blitz like this might well improve your stature as a fundraiser, but most Members don't like taking these kinds of risks.

      So it's been my experience that this is the kind of advice that Members and Leaders don't particularly appreciate getting. It's mostly considered a distraction, and is usually received very coldly. Which is why I'm not there anymore, though I am available for weddings and bar mitzvahs.

      •  Since you are an (none / 0)

        old inside hand, what do you think it would take to change this?  Is it that the dems were for so long in the majority in the house that they had no idea how to act otherwise, and think that if they just wait long enough they will get majority again?  

        You would think after ten years they would get the hint that playing nice don't get you the keys to the speakers office.  If what they care about is $$$, seems even they would figure out that alot more moolah is there for you if you are in the majority.

        Clearly, if Vilsack becomes chair of the DNC, there is no possibility this mindset would change.  Unfortunatly, while Dean is a scrapper, I dont know if he would be willing to push the house leadership to throw mud, either, assuming the leg leadership even listens to the party chair.

        Wingnuts hate Big Media cause it sometimes tells the truth.
        We should hate it for the rest of the time when it don't.
        Oh, also when they eat brains.

        by Ugluks Flea on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 06:58:10 AM PDT

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        •  Change. (4.00 / 4)

          There's a lot at work here. Nothing's likely to change the basics behind getting elected to a House leadership position. Money will still be a major factor there, and I'm not even saying it shouldn't be. There's something to be said for choosing leaders who actively support the election and reelection of members of the caucus.

          But one thing that might change how top leaders are selected would be having some success with a plan like this. That is, if it were well received among the general public, and really moved voters to our side, that'd be a pretty good proxy for money.

          Democrats are, for the most part, just not inclined to these sorts of stunts. Many of them take their legislative responsibilities so seriously that they couldn't even imagine degrading themselves or the institution with such actions. And these are good, solid Democrats. They just don't go in for this sort of thing. Others are treading on thin ice as it is, and have to worry about whether or not this sort of obstructionism will cost them politically. Others are willing to fight, but have only a rudimentary understanding of House Rules and parliamentary procedure, and don't know how to use them. Still others are just busy, juggling a million things at once, and the internal politics of the Congress is not a top priority for them. They can't be bothered with attacking someone they think they can't budge anyway, especially when their constituents want health care coverage and that new bridge project is in jeopardy.

          I don't think, by the way, that the selection of the DNC Chairman is likely to have any effect on this. Each Congressional District is like its own fiefdom, and every Representative is its prince. The DNC exerts little or no direct influence over them. The DCCC is slightly more important to them, but to most Members, it's just a place to go to find a phone to use to make fundraising calls so they don't get in trouble for using their office lines. Other than that, it's a nice place to get a couple thousand bucks for reelection every few years, or another leadership post they can run for if they already have enough money that they can afford to give most of it away.

          Democrats just don't seem disposed to this sort of thing, though. Making trouble for trouble's sake is apparently a Republican trait. Democrats want to be seen as serious-minded and reality-based. Which is admirable, but sometimes that's the best that can be said about it.

          The only thing I can think of that might generate enthusiasm for participating in this kind of campaign, and for changing Democratic minds about its value, is if a good core group of vocal, eloquent and safe Dems were assigned the task of regularly initiating this activity. If it worked, and we made a splash with it, those Members would have a shot at leadership posts themselves, and might boost the stock of plain old outspokenness as a desirable trait in House leaders.

          Central Casting is calling, folks. I'm talking to you:

          Barney Frank
          Charlie Rangel
          Lloyd Doggett
          Peter Deutch
          Rosa DeLauro
          Earl Blumenauer
          Alcee Hastings
          Pete Stark
          Jim McDermott
          Sheila Jackson Lee
          Neil Abercrombie
          Jerry Nadler
          John Conyers
          Ben Cardin
          Peter DeFazio
          Henry Waxman
          Norm Dicks
          Lane Evans
          Luis Gutierrez
          George Miller
          Bobby Rush
          Bernie Sanders
          Maxine Waters

          And many more. But that's a good start. These people are good start on a great mix of fearless fighters, eloquent speakers, and parliamentarians. For these purposes, their policy stances won't matter.