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by now most people have heard all about how my wonderful Senator Santorum was making the Penn Hills school district pay for his children to go to a cyber charter school.  this cost the school district about $38,000 a year.  he just decided to home school his children instead, but the teachers at the charter school offered to teach his kids for free.  ok scandal over right?

well not really.  there was a great editorial in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette today.

The two-bedroom house that the Santorum children called home for education purposes and that gives Mr. and Mrs. Santorum the right to vote in Pennsylvania lacks an occupancy permit. And the property tax break from the homestead exemption claimed by the Santorums on the Penn Hills house is allowed under law only if the dwelling is their "permanent home."

so let me get this right, he forced a school district to pay for his kids to go to school, based on his ownership of a house that isnt legally allowed to be lived in.  and he is breaking the law claiming a property tax break. loveley. this should piss off the hard working people of W. PA.

It's a strange case of political turnabout. In his initial House race against Rep. Doug Walgren in 1990, challenger Santorum attacked the incumbent from Mt. Lebanon for buying a house and raising his children in McLean, Va. Now Rick Santorum of Leesburg, Va., is saying that he is and he isn't a resident of Pennsylvania.

Well, which is it?

good question.  this better come back to bite you in the ass in '06.

All of which begs a much bigger question: Is Rick Santorum R-Pa. or R-Va.? No one should represent Pennsylvania in the U.S. Senate because he once lived here or because he visits all 67 counties every year. A traveling salesman can do that.

Article I of the U.S. Constitution says, "No person shall be a Senator ... who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen." Rick Santorum last won election in November 2000, when he owned the house at 111 Stephens Lane in Penn Hills plus a house in Virginia. Where he was an "inhabitant" at the time only he can say.

He faces re-election in 2006, but if that election were held today, the two-term Republican would be hard-pressed to convince voters that he inhabits a house on Stephens Lane. Sure, he and his wife pay taxes on the house. They also use the address for voter registration, but so do two other people. When a Post-Gazette reporter visited the house last Friday, a young man came to the door and declined to comment. He wasn't Rick Santorum.

so let me get this straight, Rick, his wife, the six kids, the unknown couple all "live" in a 2 bedroom house?  thats what i thought.

Update [2004-11-19 15:15:20 by juls]: googling by a fellow kossack reveals that the two individuals living in the house actually are Santorum's niece and nephew Bart and Alyssa DeLuca, according to Pittsburghlive.

Originally posted to juls on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 10:38 AM PST.

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  •  Hilarious diary title. (4.00)
    Do you know the meaning of "santorum" with a small s?  Deep santorum is right.  :)
    •  thanks (4.00)
      yeah i do. click the link on his name and it feeds right into spreading santorum site.  just doing my part to help the google bomb.
      •  Holy mother of @*$(! (none)
        Where the hell did that 'word' originate?

        That is beyond repugnant! Crikey!
        But how appropriate for him... he, the unholy blend of the government's exercise of 'prison love' on the average american, with the 'moral' lubrication to make it seem like a good idea.

        The opening of the site linked was enough to gag me... Foul, foul, funny... oops. Foul.

        "I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV."

        by zeitshabba on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 11:52:35 AM PST

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        •  its from (none)
          Dan Savage, the sex columnist.  he was po'd at Santorum's man on dog, sex comment so he started a contest for his reader to come up with an alternative meaning for the word Santorum.  this was the winner.  it is quite special isnt it.  it is the highest hit when you google Santorum because so many people have linked to it.
          •  Thanks for the etymology. (none)
            After seeing the 'splash' screen, I was too afraid to click on the link. Being at work and all, I don't want any red flags going up for visiting particular websites...

            But my manager is a Shrub-loving Republikkan, so maybe, to him, dailyKOS is a dirty site.

            If he looks it up with his sources, they would say we're funding insurgents against our troops in Iraq...

            "I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV."

            by zeitshabba on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 12:32:40 PM PST

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        •  Origin of santorum (none)
          Dan Savage suggested santorum be used for a previously unnamed by-product of gay sex.
      •  Right on dude (none)
        The only way to deal with santorum

        No more faith-based electronic voting machines: www.blackboxvoting.org

        by doug r on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 09:48:38 PM PST

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    •  santorum (none)
      Then senator Bob Kerrey said santorum is latin for asshole.

      This aggression will not stand, man

      by kaleidescope on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 11:13:21 AM PST

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      •  did he really? (none)
        I missed that.  Good for him.

        It makes up for that incredibly stupid joke he told to Clinton about Jerry Brown.

        We can't stop here! This is bat country!

        by hrh on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 11:17:40 AM PST

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        •  Do say? (none)
          Okay, now I'm hooked.  What joke about Clinton about Jerry Brown?
          •  The Killing Joke (none)
            It happened in 1991 when they were running for prez.  It was billed as a "lesbian joke" but it was in fact a "Jerry Brown is stupid and/or spacey" joke.  Kerrey didn't know the mike was on and CSPAN got it on tape.  It caused Kerrey to drop out of the race and there was much ado about whether Clinton laughed at it or not.  PC Follies.

            Here's some of a US News & World Report article I googled:

            Bob Kerrey's Dirty Little Joke

            by John Leo | Dec 09 '91

            Have you heard the one about Jerry Brown and the two lesbians

            Chances are you haven't, though you might have read a lot about it. This is the joke that Sen. Bob Kerrey told Gov. Bill Clinton at a political roast in New Hampshire. A crew from C-SPAN recorded the story, but the tape was shelved because the conversation was private and presumably out of bounds.

            The astonishing thing is that lots of people in Washington seem to know the story but no one is willing to tell it, even off the record to an earnest, high-minded columnist. One reason is that some are not sure they really have heard the original version. (For understandable reasons, Kerrey has not announced what he actually said.) And because the joke involves gays and women, others think it's just too toxic to say aloud. This was the position of Gregory King, an otherwise impressive spokesman for the Human Rights Campaign Fund, a gay lobby. King wouldn't come close to describing the story, though he told me, in hushed tones, the joke is so horrific that women in his office cried when they heard it.

            Get ready now. Send the children out of the room and brace yourselves. Having laboriously pieced together the wording of the actual joke, I am about to tell it, somewhat sanitized.

            Jerry Brown walks into a bar and ogles two women. A bystander tells Brown to forget about it--the women are gay. The man describes a sexual act that the woman with large breasts likes to perform on the woman with small breasts. Jerry Brown replies that he would enjoy performing this act too, and wonders if this makes him a lesbian. End of joke. Bring children and sensitive people back into room. Commence optional laughter.

            No whoops. Let us put this story through rapid joke analysis. It is remarkably unfunny. Washington jokes don't come any dumber. Two objectionable terms were used, the common vulgar term for breasts and the common vulgar phrase for oral sex performed on a woman. That's all. Many women may be offended by the reference to breast sizes, but there were no nasty terms for lesbians, no put-downs of gays or women. One of the more incensed critics of the joke, Patricia Ireland of the National Organization for Women, said: "I gather the statement was extremely and terribly degrading toward women." No, it wasn't. It was an ordinary off-color story with only one target--Governor Moonbeam--told in the normal language of dirty jokes.

            [...]

            ...gay organizations took the opportunity to explode in rage. "Kerrey is antilesbian" signs appeared. The board co-chair of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force complained of "sexist and homophobic implications." Lamentations and threats filled the air. Kerrey offered a brief statement of regret, calling the joke "inappropriate" and saying, "If it offended anyone, I apologize." A reasonable move. But gays immediately announced that Kerrey "needs to do more than send a one-paragraph apology." [...]Kerrey issued a stronger self-abasing apology, calling himself temporarily stupid and, "in a barely audible voice," according to one report, said "he had spent the previous 12 hours examining his own feelings and attitudes in an attempt to learn a lesson." This is the sort of straightforward groveling and embrace of official re-education that we have learned to associate with Chinese students apologizing for being in the vicinity of Tiananmen Square.

            Like many politicians, Kerrey doesn't know how to cope with the current wave of militant utopian puritanism. My favorite example of this expansive philosophy is the image of the press collapsing on Bill Clinton, demanding to know whether he had laughed at Kerrey's joke. This was no laughing matter. An Arkansas feminist, Kerry Lobel of Little Rock, announced gravely, "This is a clear example of Governor Clinton colluding in an act of bigotry." Clinton's campaign hung in the balance.
            [...]
            An aide emerged with crucial news: He hadn't laughed. So unless someone gets a court order to check the C-SPAN tape for bigoted smiling, the matter is closed. Welcome to big-time campaign politics.

            We can't stop here! This is bat country!

            by hrh on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 08:02:54 PM PST

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            •  oops (none)
              Sorry, that link doesn't work.  Try
              this.

              We can't stop here! This is bat country!

              by hrh on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 08:05:19 PM PST

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            •  wow (none)
              Wow, that's a really really really weak joke.  I guess it only works if one is uncomfortable with women's breasts, oral sex, and/or lesbians.
              •  yes, it's terrible, isn't it (none)
                I think it only works for people who think Jerry Brown is a fool.  I admit it's difficult to tell from a dry paraphrase, but it seems to me that the message of the joke is "Jerry Brown is so dopey he doesn't even know what a lesbian is."

                I don't see anything mean or derogatory about women's breasts, oral sex or lesbians.

                But the most offensive aspect is that the joke is NOT FUNNY.

                Maybe ya had ta be there.  But I'm not surprised Clinton didn't laugh at it.  He was probably thinking "WTF??"

                We can't stop here! This is bat country!

                by hrh on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 06:11:19 AM PST

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            •  wonder why (none)
              the GLBT community can't ignite that much ire and action when homophobic ballot measures appear, championed by the bigot in chief? And when NOW is going to kick it up?
              •  the glory days of PC-ness are over (none)
                And unfortunately this kind of stupid stuff may have helped to bring on our current plague of angry, aggressively-bigoted Jesus Freaks.

                We can't stop here! This is bat country!

                by hrh on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 06:01:09 AM PST

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    •  People....!! (none)
      For the love of God, it's almost dinner time!!

      EEEWWWW

      You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. ~Anne Lamott

      by getmeoutofdixie on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 01:59:27 PM PST

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  •  Great Work (none)
    Recommended.

    This is something the Democrats can really use against the Republicans.  

    They want to have a values mandate?  Let's hold them to their values.

    Thank-you Lord for teaching me humility -- Friar Tuck

    by bonddad on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 10:39:32 AM PST

  •  well...I hope it comes back to bite him (none)
    just like the dog...

    Santorum is a hypocrite of the highest order, to be sure...

    However... I wonder how many other senators are in similar circumstances? It seems like most house members leave their families back in their home states, but a lot of senators move their families out to the DC area.

    Did Al and Tipper "live" in TN when Al was in the senate?

    Abortions go up under Republicans. Business is better under Democrats. Pass it on.

    by JMS on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 10:39:40 AM PST

    •  They Had A Home (none)
      In Tennessee and they did not ask the taxpayers to pay to send their kids to St. Albans.
    •  The Bush's had a hotel room in Houston for (none)
      close to 20 years. I'm talking Senior and Barb.

      "Ironic points of light Flash out wherever the Just Exchange their messages." W.H. Auden

      by upstate NY on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 12:10:25 PM PST

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    •  no matter (none)
      It's more than just not living there.  It's that he is treating it in two incompatible ways to suit his own purposes.  For his personal gain, Santorum is using his house as a rental property.  In every other way, he is claiming it as a primary residence to get (a) tax breaks and (b) free school, and (c) the right to call himself a Pennsylvania senator.  Plenty of congresscritters spend most of the year in DC, but don't cynically use their home districts like that.
  •  When is he up for reelection? (none)
    Four more years, right? Are there criminal possibilities here?
    •  nope (none)
      he is up in 2 years in 2006.  if the Dems figure their sh*it out they will run a very strong opponent against him.
      •  absolutely (none)
        I keep saying that getting rid of Santorum should be national priority #1 in 2006 for the Dems.  We ought to name whoever his opponent is a pre-ordained dKos dozen candidate now.

        But who will it be?  Hoeffel again?  I like him, but he's a bit lacking in the charisma department.  I keep hearing Barbara Hafer mentioned -- what are her chances?

        -- Stu

        •  Bob Casey (none)
          I think it will be Bob Casey.
          •  Bob Casey? Why? (none)
            He's already run for Congress 2 or 3 times and lost. And then this will be more of the 2000 Klink hysteria where a lot of people won't vote for him because he's pro-life. National Review said that he seemed to be backing away from running. I think Hafer is the best bet.

            We can win this seat if we have a strong, well-organized campaign. But Dems haven't been great at that in the past decade or so.

          •  Not Casey guys, read the papers (none)
            Because Casey has explicitly and repeatedly said he is aiming for the Gov's mansion after Rendell. Plus, he as yet has no statewide record; he *just* won the treasurer's office less than a month ago. Here are Hafer facts: Hafer won statewide office comes from W PA is a pro-choice moderate (was a Repub for years) is owed by Rendell, who will certainly back her oversaw the delivery of a balanced budget w/good services and tax breaks in PA over and 8 year period
          •  NO. (none)
            The last time we nominated a pro-life, pro-gun, anti-gay uncharismatic jerk to run against Sen. Anal Froth, we lost because no one saw the difference between the two.
          •  Bob, Jr. (none)
            Bob is not his father.  Bob is loyal to the party and would never do the damage that his father did.  I've met Bob Jr. since '02(when I supported Rendel) and get the clear impression that he's not the pro-life crusader his dad was.  Bob, Jr. is also no Klink (I don't think that we could find a candidate as bad as Klink, but I'm sure that the Pa. Dem Committee is looking).  Bob is very attractive across the Pa. political spectrum.  And it's quite a spectrum - remember, Pa. is Philly and Pittsburgh with Mississippi in the middle.

            I supported Rendel in '02 and now think that was probably a mistake.  It was a knee-jerk reaction on my part to Casey's pro-life views.  Rendel hasn't done much in the last two years and has been outmanuevered at every turn by the GOP General Assembly.  Casey has been a loyal soldier working hard for Dem candidates.  Casey has huge support in his home Scranton/Wilkes Barre area (upstate) as well as in the Philly suburbs and Western Pa.  As it stands now, he would easily beat Santorum.

        •  Here, here (none)
          I'm with you.  Let me know where and how. If the Dr. Evil (Frist) doesn't go back to cracking open the rib cages of any small furry creatures he adopts, he's priority 2.
          •  Dr Evil is number 1 on my list (none)
            Said he won't run again which could be a good time for our governor to run. Phil Bredesen has been the mayor of Nashville and now gov with  good name recognition. Also there is Congressman Harold Ford from Memphis but he has some baggage with his family's business and the state probably isn't ready for a black senator but he did back Kerry so there might be some funds waiting for him. Tennessee needs to get back into the dem fold, we haven't had a dem senator since Gore and even though all you Yankees think we are all dumb hillybillies down here, we do have a long history of good dem senators, Gore Sr, Estes Kefauver, & Cordell Hull. But we are the buckle of that bible belt and that is a huge problem, any ideas?

            "I'm not going to be your monkey"

            by gabie on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 03:37:47 PM PST

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            •  Hey (none)
              I hear ya.  I'm your neighbor to the east, North Carolina.  I don't know anything about Frist on the state level, only his national evil presence.  How'd he dodge the whole HealthSouth debacle and what's his appeal to moderates in TN? Where's he been weakest?
          •  Dr. Evil wants to be President (none)
            Or so the story I've seen implied.  It was in the context of the whole Arlen Spector leadership thing this week.
            He's ruled out running for Senate in four years, but he's pandering to the Republican base like crazy.  I ain't the brightest guy around, but I can add 2+2.
            •  More Evil (none)
              He'll be up against McCain who has a wider appeal, so it will be interesting to see what power play happens between the two of them. I've never seen Dr. Evil in person, but thru my TV he doesn't appear to have much going on in the charm department.
        •  gots to be hoffel (none)
          Its got to be Joe.  I mean he did well against a moderate, almost won the election.  Against a pyscho like Santorium he would do well.

          The Kohlman Observer: If you don't know you better ask somebody...or go to www.kohlmanobserver.com

          by kohlmanobserver on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 09:31:02 PM PST

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      •  Can he still run? (none)
        It was my understanding that if Santorum isn't a PA resident he can't run for the Senate seat. Wouldn't that be interesting? If this story has legs, and Santorum is found not to be a resident, we may not have to worry about him in 06.
    •  Sorry, should have read to the bottom. (none)
      Two years is a very long time at any rate.
      •  Klink was an embarassment (none)
        If we get a somewhat decent candidate we can beat santorum.  We almost beat him with Klink four years ago, and he was a horrible candidate with no money.  

        The dems cannot do what they did four years ago.  They had 6 candidates ruinning from the Philadelphia area for the primaries and they split the eastern vote leaving Klink as the lone westerner the winner by default

        You can have someone from the eastern part of the state win look what happened with Rendell.  
        I was hoping for Allison Schwarts, but I don't know if she will run after just winning a rep seat this month.

        •  To add insult to injury (none)
          Kilnk endorsed Specter for reelection this year.
        •  no Schwartz (none)
          She actually got her ass kicked by Klink 4 years ago, so I think we should avoid her.

          Casey, as has been said, clearly wants to be the guv post-Rendell, which will be fine.  He is pro-life, which obviously knocks a lot of the base out of whack.  But, fundamentally he is a good man, and will probably make for a decent Guv.

          Barbara Hafer is running in 2006, will have the support of Rendell and his organization in the East, and the support of her own organization in the West.  The nomination is hers if she wants it, which I think she does.

    •  My wishful thinking: (none)
      Why wait until 2006?  Can Pennsylvania do Senatorial recall elections?  (I'm trying hard to avoid looking this up).
    •  nice diary on possible opponents (none)
      good discussion here
      http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/19/153055/79
      althouh it does show how thin the Democratic bench is outside Philadelphia.  And it would be really helpful to have a non-Phildelphia opponent.
  •  We don't want this nutjob, either. (none)
    As a resident of Loudoun County, Virginia -- by which I mean that I actually occupy a primary residence here -- I'd like to know what Senator Santorum thinks is so wrong with our schools.

    Leesburg, where Santorum and his family actually live, is the Loudoun County seat. We have perfectly nice schools, both public and private.

    And Loudoun County is Republican territory. A red county in a red state.

    So what I'd like to know is, what makes the Santorum children too good to go to school with our children?

  •  organize (4.00)
    Is there any place out there already to collect this type of information about individual politicians?  It would be nice to have some place to put it as a resource to those who wish to oppose the politician in their next election.  The SCLM only seems interested in things for a few news cycles, then it is lost to the collective knowledge base.  It would be nice to have an organized repository so that this information is readily available for use as the election draws close enough to bring it back to the collective conscious.
    •  That's a really good idea (none)
      Something I remember from the Clinton campaign was they had a negative operation where they dug up the dirt.  

      A central source for the Democrats to use would be a great idea.

      Thank-you Lord for teaching me humility -- Friar Tuck

      by bonddad on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 10:49:30 AM PST

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    •  Put it on the dKosopedia. (4.00)
      You'll find the link in the "menu" box, in the right hand margin of every page.

      You can just sign up like you did here, and then plug anything you learn into that politician's page.

      I like to put tidbits like this in a "Fun Facts!" section of the page, just for chuckles.

  •  Mike Oxley (none)
    Morons, they've been doing it for years and it doesn't get anyone anywhere.  

    Mike Oxley hasn't "lived" in his home in OH-4 for years.  In fact, his water was shut off for nearly 18 months to his "residence".  It didn't help Ben all that much.  Oxley's still representing OH-4 eventhough he barely sees the district and actually lives in Virginia.

    Media in general needs to do a better job of ensuring people in office have their two residencies and that they are LEGAL!!  And we have to do a better job of making sure the media knows when this has gone wrong.

    •  yep (4.00)
      it shouldnt take a scandal like this for us to figure this out.  this could be a great grassroots project for the blogosphere. we should investigate the residences of the Republican legislators, especially the ones up in the next cycle.  a lot of this kind of information is available online from the counties.
    •  That's a district, not a state (none)
      Districts can be gerrymandered to never, ever go against an incumbent. Whole states cannot. Santorum is already out of whack with a good portion of his state and this type of nonsense, if handled correctly, would alienate some of the supporters who don't care one way or the other about his being so far to the right.

      And don't forget that Konop got closer than anyone else got in the OH House races -- he got over 40%.

      •  Ben (none)
         Got close because of Route 30 (local issues are huge issues) and because he won Allen County.  Oxley had to work for this, that's a good thing and it means he's vulnerable next cycle.  That's my favorite right now.
  •  Cheney (none)
    Didn't Cheney have to do something like this (he chose Wyoming), as President and VP can't both come from the same state?  There was some debate around the last election about whether he was voting in Wyoming purely for this reason.
    •  Yeah, he changed his residency. (none)
      It was soon after he selected himself as VP candidate after the extensive nationwide search.

      Sad thing is, Bush and Cheney are no doubt prime examples of the very reason the president and VP can't be from the same state. They represent the same very narrow set of interests and people.

    •  WY residency (none)
      WY has no general residency statutes.
      For voting purposes, the applicable statute is very lenient.
      Cheney qualifies as a Wyoming "resident" for voting purposes

      In contrast, the statute for obtaining a resident hunting license is very strict.
      Cheney does NOT qualify as a Wyoming "resident" for hunting purpose.

      We know what's important here!

      ;-)

      •  Hunting permit (none)
        You know, I bet he has one. I know he spends a lot of time in Jackson Hole fly fishing and, I think, hunting (well, not IN Jackson Hole). There was a stink about how much disruption the Secret Service caused during the summer, they cleaned out the entire Snake for Cheney.

        So if he really doesn't qualify for a WY hunting permit, let's bust him on it. Illegal use of a firearm and whatnot.

    •  Cheney Wyoming! (none)
      Sorry, couldn't resist. Anyway, yeah, Cheney changed his residency to Wyoming before the 2000 election, but I couldn't understand why the Dems didn't make a stink about this. Because the Constitution does not use the word "resident."  What it says is this (12th Amendment):

      The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves;

      I couldn't see how Cheney could have claimed that he was not an "inhabitant" of Texas, since he had lived there for years and was living there at the time of the election. Therefore, the electoral votes for VP from Texas were invalid. Had such been ruled in court, no one would have had a majority for VP, throwing the election to the Senate, which was 50-50. So Gore would have had the deciding vote for VP, which would have given it to...

      Lieberman.

      Ok, well, maybe it's not SO bad they didn't make a stink.

  •  Tom Daschle was pillaried (none)
    for a similar type of living arangement. the Repugs hit him hard.
  •  Santorum (none)
    I think that Santorum is going to try to get the nod from the Christian Coalition for a run for Presidency in 2008. I guess he can'tdo that if he loses in 2006 but he would be a pretty vile enemy.

    Ask not what your country can do for you....

    by khirkhib on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 11:12:16 AM PST

    •  I thought (none)
      Dobson and that crowd was pissed at Santorum cuz he supports his fellow senator Specter.

      More people voted for a liberal senator from MA than voted for Ronald Reagan in 1984.

      by JP2 on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 02:17:18 PM PST

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  •  aoeu (none)
    Hypothetically speaking, who would bring the suit and where would they bring it to get Santorum out of office as not being an inhabitant of Pennsylvania?

    no haikus now,
    join your local democratic party.
    There are fights in 2005 coming up.

    by TealVeal on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 11:12:28 AM PST

    •  Nowhere (4.00)
      The Constitution provides that each House, in this case the Senate, be the sole judge of its elections.  The Senate could vote to expel Santorum.  This could be a big opportunity for the Dems to introduce an expulsion measure because the clown doesn't live in the State he purports to represent and won election by fraud.  It will fail, given the GOP majority, but let's make them defend this indefensible slime.
  •  Perhaps the house in PA (none)
    has something to do with his "man on dog" reference awhile back.  Have any reporters seen in canines entering and leaving smoking a cigarette?

    "We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." - Louis D. Brandeis

    by VA6thDem on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 11:15:44 AM PST

  •  Ripping of the school (none)
    district in PA is more likely to be what sits less well with the voters than where he lives.  The GOP may have been able to hit Daschle on this, but the fact was that Daschle didn't represent the views of a majority in SD.  Constitutional residency requirements went out the window when Cheney was able to claim WY as his home in 2000, Hillary was able to carpetbag to NY and Keyes was the IL GOP Senate nominee in 2004.  All Santorum needs to do between now and 2006 is to get Scaife to put his family in a house in PA for a few weeks before the next election.
    •  i agree with you (none)
      but i think that the combination of getting tax breaks, not having the proper permits adds to the sense of outrage.

      if he is gonna own the house than at least pretend to live there.  Bill actually lives in Hillary's house and i have no idea what Cheney does with his or Keyes.

      i am sure Scaife would be more than happy to help the man out and i am sure he can arrange for some lovely coverage from the Trib.

      •  From my perspective.... (4.00)
        and I live here (pity me - he's my Senator) I think that most people were shocked to read or hear that he owned a home in Penn Hills!  

        Why Penn Hills?  Cheapest neighborhood he could find?  I think that this goes a bit further than just ripping off the school district, using the homestead exemption for tax savings, not having the proper permits like regular people have to, etc.....

        This ENTIRE episode should be skillfully spun into a tale of how OUT OF TOUCH he is with his constituency.  This should be the BOTTOM line campaign focus much like = "Its the economy stupid."  

        It should be said over and over in Rove like fashion that Santorum thinks he's above everyone else.  Why shouldn't his kids rip off the Penn Hills taxpayers?  Why shouldn't he pay as little tax as possible when all these poor working class blue collar stiffs are just trying to get by?  Why should he have to worry about silly little municiple rules like the average Joe?

        They need to point out the ARROGANCE and insensitivity to the everyday lives of the average Joe and just never let it go.  This will bury him in W. PA and he knows it.  This is seriously the worst thing that has happened to this creep in his political career and I love the fact that its self inflicted.

        People around here won't put up with his being a high fallutin carpetbagger skipping out on his taxes and sticking the little guys with the education bill for his brats.  W PA is a blue collar, hard working type of town where an absentee Senator living in a $700,000 Virginia home taking money from Penn Hills is just NOT going to fly.  

        God I HATE this guy.  I can't wait for 2006.  BRING IT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        •  Out of Touch - EXACTLY (none)
          That was my thought when I heard this story last week.    I actually dreamt of a campaign commercial showing pics of Santorum listing how out of touch he was with Hall & Oates "You're Out of Touch" song as the soundtrack.

          Scary that I dream of politics, Huh?

          You're confused again, George. More Americans voted against you than anyone in history. The only "Man-Date" you'll have is if Dick takes you out for dinner.

          by Jeff in PA on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 02:10:11 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  Not scary at all!! Wish I had thought of it! (none)
            Thats funny...now that tune will be in my mind all night.  He is totally out of touch or touching himself if he thinks this will blow over.

            I personally love the fact that his spokesperson is on record saying that he & his wife split their time between the Va and Pa residences.  Yeah, right.  I'm sure he stays in Penn Hills when he's in town, too.

            what a joke.

    •  Great column in Philadelphia Daily News about it (none)
      Hey Rick, you know where to put your money by John Baer

      It's all about screwing the taxpayers. He says Santorum should pay it back.

      Resist much, obey little. ~~Edward Abbey

      by willyr on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 01:16:11 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Thank you Dan Savage (none)
    For helping to make this the funniest diary title in some time.

    Be proud. YOU'RE A LIBERAL.

    by changingamerica on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 11:25:36 AM PST

  •  Senate Ethics Committee (4.00)
    Ok Kossacks, sharpen your pencils and lambast this sleezy behavior! (C'mon, you know the reactionary right would do it if it were a Dem... It's time to take a page from their playbook!)

    Here they are:
    Republicans
    George V. Voinovich, Ohio, Chairman
    Pat Roberts, Kansas
    Craig Thomas, Wyoming
     Democrats
    Harry Reid, Nevada, Vice Chairman
    Daniel Akaka, Hawaii
    Blanche Lincoln, Arkansas

    email forms are thru the website, http://www.senate.gov.

    And who knows? Maybe there's at least a scintilla of a violation, ESPECIALLY if the teachers provided free services:

    WHAT IS A GIFT?
    The word ``gift'' is defined broadly and includes any ``item having monetary value.'' Specifically,
    paragraph 2(b)(1) of the Rule states:
    [T]he term ``gift'' means any gratuity, favor, discount, entertainment, hospitality, loan,
    forbearance, or other item having monetary value. The term includes gifts of services,
    training, transportation, lodging, and meals, whether provided in kind, by purchase of a
    ticket, payment in advance, or reimbursement after the expense has been incurred.
    WHO IS RESTRICTED?
    By its terms, Rule 35 covers current Members, officers, and employees of the Senate (¶
    1(a)(1) and (2)). Unlike the previous Rule 35, spouses and dependents are not separately subject
    to the gift limitations. Rather, under the current Rule, a gift to a family member (or any other
    individual) is considered a gift to the Member, officer, or employee only if it is given with the
    knowledge and acquiescence of the Member, officer, or employee and the Member, officer, or
    employee has reason to believe the gift was given because of the official position of the Member,
    officer, or employee.

    From the Senate Ethics Manual, http://ethics.senate.gov/downloads/pdffiles/manual.pdf.  

    Even if it's OK to our ethically-challenged congressfolks, that shouldn't stop us from raising a ruckus.....
     

    •  oh, and here's mine: (none)
      Dear Senator Reid:

      I am appalled that Senator Santorum would take advantage of Pennsylvania taxpayers by home-schooling his children in Virginia through a Pennsylvania-funded program -- especially by using what appears to be a specious Pennsylvania home address.  As Vice-Chair of the Ethics Committee, I assume you are closely examining this breach of trust for any ethical violations under Senate Rules and will take all action necessary -- including, if applicable, a referral to the appropriate law enforcement agency.

      Very truly yours,

      "silverleaf"

  •  What unkown couple? (none)
    From the article it mentions the unidentified young adult male as presumably being a resident at the house, but where are we getting the "unknown couple" from?

    Want to get some more meaty facts to support that assertion if it true.

    cheers,

    Mitch Gore

    Nobody will change America for you, you have to work to make it happen

    by Lestatdelc on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 11:32:41 AM PST

  •  Freaky deaky Richard "Dick" Santorum (4.00)
    So let me get this straight, Rick, his wife, the six kids, the unknown couple all "live" in a 2 bedroom house?

    What kind of bizarro, polyamorous, swinging lifestyle is Rick Santorum living, anyways? Hypocritical Fundies want to know...

  •  What?! Santorum's gay lover answered the door? (none)
    (Not really true, but thought it would be good fun to start the rumor about the most homophobic of Senate members.)
  •  I wonder if (none)
    the unknown couple pays rent, and if Santorum claims it as income on his taxes. Ought to be easy enough to find that out.

    If the Feds can figure out if a marriage is legit regarding citizenship applications, they should be able to figure out who is actually residing in this house.

    •  Legit marriage? (none)
      Yeah, but do you know how the INS decides if a marriage a legit. First, the green card applicant has to submit a lot of documents, like tax returns and gas bills, to prove the couple co-habitate. They are encouraged to show pictures of their wedding and the related celebration. And they are directed to have their friends submit affadavits attesting to the validity of the marriage.

      My husband and I just submitted this stuff. It was actually pretty fun for our friends (I hope). I didn't know they were up to that level of schmaltz. But the whole process is remarkably intrusive.

    •  Maybe fraud (4.00)
      If Santorum claims a homestead exemption (as a personal primary residence) on his Penn Hills taxes, but also depreciates the house as a rental property (on his federal taxes), he has committed tax fraud against one or the other.

      Also: If he doesn't collect rent, the IRS should be requiring the young couple living in the house to declare the imputed rent as income.

  •  Reality Check (none)
    As much loathing as I have for this asshat, I think if we checked all 535 Congresspeople/Senators we would find that the vast majority live under the same circumstances.  It's the way the system works -- and always has -- and it's not a bad thing.

    We elect a Rep/Senator who lives in the district/state and we send them to represent our interests in DC.  They spend an average of five days a week (sometimes more, sometimes less) on the Hill.  They come home to the district/state for three or four extended (1-3 week) scheduled district office visits.  

    The Congress and the Senate meet in Washington DC, not Mt. Lebanon, PA or Gainesville, FL.

    How, exactly do we expect them to handle their residences?  Commute home to their families from DC every night?

    Again, I'm ready to send a check to Santorum's next opponent.  I think he's a bad guy and should NOT be a United States Senator.  But we have no "high ground" from which to fight this battle.

  •  I believe (none)
    that it was mr. santorum who held a funeral in his own home for his wife's prematurely-miscarried fetus, and took his children in to look at it before it was buried. In the NPR report I heard, he explained that "he wanted them to know their little brother."

    In other societies, in other times, such behavior would result in institutionalization. In America, we elect the delusional jesusmonkeys to public office.

  •  Oh, it will (none)
    As a member of a hardworking Western PA family, let me me say that this will certainly piss us and many others off.  I'm already working on spreading the news amongst my family members, to disseminate to their co-workers, and so on.

    Anything I can do to bring down Greyhound Ricky is a-ok with me.

    "We will fight them, sir, until hell freezes over. And then, sir, we will fight them on the ice."

    by Raybin on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 11:51:28 AM PST

    •  Get ready for 2006... (none)
      Please, somebody, register www.santorumforvirginia.com. Maybe it'll end up being him vs. George Allen in the Virginia Republican primary in 2006?

      A senator's family living in Washington part-time might make sense if we were talking about someone from west of the Mississippi, but really-- Pittsburgh can't be more than an hour or so from Washington by plane.

  •  A man of the people? (none)
    Rick Santorum's kids go to a cyber public charter whosit whatsit? That ought to play well in the heartland. Not only does Rick Santorum think he's too good for Pennsylvania, he thinks his children are too good for public school. In fact, he thinks his kids are too good for a private Christian school. Or, would it be that his kids are too good to even be taught by humans and instead don't go to a real school but go to a cyber charter school online and what the hell does that even mean?
  •  I (none)
    I met this guy at a private meet and greet last year and in one of my finer moments, when he extended his hand to me as we met in a hall way, I gave him a "F U look" and simply walked away.
  •  More form the Post Gazette (none)
    Penn Hills studying Santorum residency issue

    Residency question fans debate on cost of cyber-educating senator's 5 children

    Sunday, November 14, 2004
    By Eleanor Chute, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

    The Penn Hills School District, which is paying about $38,000 a year for five of U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum's children to attend a cyber charter school, is looking into whether the Republican senator resides in the district.

    School board member Erin Vecchio, who is chair of the Democratic party in Penn Hills and lives near a two-bedroom house owned by the Santorums, said, "I live right down the street from the man. He's never there. ... He doesn't live here."

    Lake Fong, Post-Gazette

    This house at 111 Stephens Lane in Penn Hills is owned by U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum.
    She thinks the district shouldn't have to pay for the Santorum children to attend the Western Pennsylvania Cyber Charter School. It is based in Midland but serves more than 3,100 pupils from nearly 400 school districts statewide who attend via computer.

    Under state law, the district in which the pupil resides must pay for each resident who attends a charter school. While the fee varies by district, Penn Hills must pay $7,551 for each pupil.

    Neither parents nor a school district outside the state can pay charter school tuition in Pennsylvania.

    Penn Hills Superintendent Patricia Gennari said the school board had asked the administration to investigate Santorum's residency.

    Santorum's communications director, Robert Traynham, issued a statement Friday pledging cooperation, but it did not clarify his residency status.

    "Sen. Santorum looks forward to working with the Penn Hills School District and the municipality of Penn Hills to make sure that he is in compliance with all residency requirements," Traynham's statement said.

    Santorum's press secretary, Christine Shott, who issued the statement, declined to elaborate on it.

    The case mixes politics, money, education and technology.

    With cyber schools, pupils can attend by logging on to their school-provided computers no matter where they are. There are 11 cyber charter schools statewide.

    When the Santorums bought a two-bedroom house on Stephens Lane in Penn Hills in 1997, they already owned a house in Virginia, and cyber schools didn't exist.

    The Santorums, who have six children, home-schooled their children and did not send their children to the regular Penn Hills public schools.

    But they and some other home-school families chose cyber charter schools, which offer flexibility both in place and in curriculum.

    In Penn Hills, the number of pupils who are home-schooled has fallen from 87 in 2001-02 to 39 this year while the number of cyber charter school pupils has grown from 30 to 66.

    It's not unusual for school districts to check out whether pupils really are residents, but some of the tried-and-true techniques, such as staking out a house to see whether the pupil leaves for school, won't work with a cyber school.

    James Chavis, home and school visitor and coordinator of pupil services in Penn Hills, told the board last week that he did 136 residency checks last school year, resulting in 44 pupils being removed from the district because they weren't residents.

    The Santorums use the Penn Hills address for voter registration as do two other people, Bart and Alyssa DeLuca, both 25, according to Allegheny County records.

    When a reporter went to the house on Stephens Lane on Friday, a young man who came to the door declined to comment.

    But what does it mean to be a resident?

    Sean Fields, associate counsel for the Pennsylvania School Boards Association, did not comment on this particular case, but he said there were "very few" court cases addressing the residency question.

    State law says, "A child shall be considered a resident of the school district in which his parents or the guardian or his person resides."

    Just having two homes doesn't in itself mean the person isn't a resident, Fields said. He noted a 2000 case in the Cumberland Valley School District in which the regular family home was outside of the school district but the mother and her two children spent five days a week at a townhouse in Cumberland Valley. The court ruled the mother and the children were residents of the school district, even though their primary home was elsewhere.

    In the case, the court noted: "She and the children actually live there. They stay there during the days and sleep there at night. Mail and phone calls are received there. Clothing, books and supplies are kept there as well."

    The court said that was the "classic definition of 'residence.' "

    A U.S. senator must be an "inhabitant" of the state that elects him or her.

    Brian McDonald, spokesman for the Pennsylvania Department of State, was not aware of any formal definition of that term.

    When Santorum ran for Congress, he lived in Mt. Lebanon and criticized then U.S. Rep. Doug Walgren for buying a house and raising his three children in McLean, Va.

    For two terms in the House, Santorum commuted back to Mt. Lebanon. But after he became a senator, he sold his house in Mt. Lebanon and bought a home in Herndon, Va., for $292,184, in 1995.

    In 1997, he and his wife bought the Penn Hills house for $87,800, now with a market value of $106,000 but, with a homestead exclusion, taxed at $91,000.

    In 2001, they sold the Herndon house for $429,900 and bought a house in Leesburg, Va., for $643,361, according to Fairfax and Loudoun County records. That house now is assessed at a market value of $757,000.

    One other issue has arisen in the controversy.

    Bob Hunter, Penn Hills director of code enforcement, said the Santorum house lacks a required occupancy permit, which calls for a municipal inspection for any code violations and a dye test of the sewer system. Hunter has sent a letter asking them to seek an occupancy permit.

    cheers,

    Mitch Gore

    Nobody will change America for you, you have to work to make it happen

    by Lestatdelc on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 12:02:23 PM PST

    •  I'm just saying... (none)
      This house at 111 Stephens Lane in Penn Hills is owned by U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum....

      The Santorums use the Penn Hills address for voter registration as do two other people, Bart and Alyssa DeLuca, both 25, according to Allegheny County records.

      Apparently, the house is technically listed as a Verona, PA address.

      I wouldn't know what to do with such information. I just know it.

      •  Good catch (none)
        The town is Verona, PA, and the school district is Penn Hills.

        cheers,

        Mitch Gore

        Nobody will change America for you, you have to work to make it happen

        by Lestatdelc on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 12:16:19 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  No... (none)
          its in the Municipality of Penn Hills.  Its just a Verona mailing address.

          That sort of thing is common around here.  If the Verona Post office handles your mail...then thats your address but it hasn't a darned thing to do with your municipality or school district.

          I know, confusing to those not from the area but thats how it works here.  Its Penn Hills all the way.

          •  yeah (none)
            i have a Mars mailing address a Cranberry phone number (both of which are in a different county from my address), vote in Gibsonia and went to the Pine-Richland school district.

            it is confusing.

            oaktav you are exactly right about the reactions of the people in the area. W. Pa is not exactly a transitional region.  lots of people grew up their raised their kids, paid their taxes and rely on social security to see them through.  an arrogant politician who doesnt pay his share is sure to piss them off.

            •  Nexis search on Santorums (3.00)
              Here is people search on Santorum's wife - - it lists her primary residence as Leesburg Va.  Can't tell the transfer date.

              Santorum, Karen Garver
               17650 Tobermory Pl
              Leesburg, VA 20175-7052
              County/FIPS: Loudoun

              Click to visualize this report

              Addresses Associated Entities Attributes Bankruptcy
              Judgments Licenses Liens Names
              Personal Property Real Property Sources Telephone

              Name Variation(s) As Found:
              Garver, Karen Anne  Source Document(s)
              Santorum, K  Source Document(s)
              Santorum, Karen  Source Document(s)
              Santorum, Karen Anne  Source Document(s)
              Santorum, Karen G  Source Document(s)
              Santorum, Karen Garver  Source Document(s)

              Telephone:
              703-443-8010  Source Document(s)
              404-3767  Source Document(s)
              798-1388  Source Document(s)

              Address Variation(s):
              * * * ORIGINAL * * *
               17650 Tobermory Pl, Leesburg, VA 20175-7052
                Source Document(s)

              * * * POSTAL STANDARD * * *
               17650 Tobermory Pl, Leesburg, VA 20175-7052
              County/FIPS: Loudoun
              MSA: Washington, DC-MD-VA-WV - 8840
               Owner Indication

              Previous Address(es):
              * * * ORIGINAL * * *
               127 Seminole Dr, Pittsburgh, PA 15228
                Source Document(s)

               127 Seminole Dr, Pittsburgh, PA 15228-1528
                Source Document(s)

              * * * POSTAL STANDARD * * *
               127 Seminole Dr, Pittsburgh, PA 15228-1528
              County/FIPS: Allegheny
              MSA: Pittsburgh, PA - 6280
               Owner Indication

              * * * ORIGINAL * * *
               301 Halket St, Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3104
                Source Document(s)

              * * * POSTAL STANDARD * * *
               301 Halket St, Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3104
              County/FIPS: Allegheny
              MSA: Pittsburgh, PA - 6280

              * * * ORIGINAL * * *
               707 Amberson Ave, Pittsburgh, PA 15232-1401
                Source Document(s)

              * * * POSTAL STANDARD * * *
               707 Amberson Ave, Pittsburgh, PA 15232-1401
              County/FIPS: Allegheny
              MSA: Pittsburgh, PA - 6280

              * * * ORIGINAL * * *
               111 Stephens Ln, Verona, PA 15147
                Source Document(s)

               111 Stephens Ln, Verona, PA 15147-3035
                Source Document(s)

              * * * POSTAL STANDARD * * *
               111 Stephens Ln, Verona, PA 15147-3035
              County/FIPS: Allegheny
              MSA: Pittsburgh, PA - 6280
               Owner Indication

              * * * ORIGINAL * * *
               4711 31st St, Arlington, VA 22206-1606
                Source Document(s)

              * * * POSTAL STANDARD * * *
               4711 31st St S, Arlington, VA 22206-1606
              County/FIPS: Arlington
              MSA: Washington, DC-MD-VA-WV - 8840

              * * * ORIGINAL * * *
               1101 Landerset, Herndon, VA 20170
                Source Document(s)

               1101 Landerset Dr, Herndon, VA 20170
                Source Document(s)

               1101 Landerset Dr, Herndon, VA 20170-2083
                Source Document(s)

               1101 Landerset Dr, Herndon, VA 22070
                Source Document(s)

              * * * POSTAL STANDARD * * *
               1101 Landerset Dr, Herndon, VA 20170-2083
              County/FIPS: Fairfax
              MSA: Washington, DC-MD-VA-WV - 8840
               Owner Indication

              ATTRIBUTES:

              Gender: Female
              Date of Birth: 04/1960
               Source Document(s)

              Roles and Occurrences in Data:
              Name Variation(s) As Found: 6
              Real Property Owner: 2
              Mortgage(s): 0
              Aircraft Owner: 0
              Boat Owner: 0
              Bankruptcy Petitioner: 0
              Other Bankruptcy Party: 0
              Judgment: 0
              Debtor: 0
              Creditor: 0
              Executive: 0
              Registered Agent: 0

              ASSETS

              Real Property

              Property Address:  111 STEPHENS LANE, VERONA, PA 15147
              State: PA
              County/FIPS: ALLEGHENY
              Estimated Roll Certification Date: 02/28/2003
              Sale Price: $87,800
              Assessor's Parcel Number: 367-G-75
               Source Document(s)

              Property Address:  17650 TOBERMORY PL, LEESBURG, VA 20175-7052
              State: VA
              County/FIPS: LOUDOUN
              Estimated Roll Certification Date: 01/01/2003
              Sale Price: $643,361
              Assessor's Parcel Number: 270-46-5343-000
               Source Document(s)

              And here is one on Richard J. Santorum

              Santorum, Richard J
               17650 Tobermory Pl
              Leesburg, VA 20175-7052
              County/FIPS: Loudoun

              Click to visualize this report

              Addresses Associated Entities Attributes Bankruptcy
              Judgments Licenses Liens Names
              Personal Property Real Property Sources Telephone

              Name Variation(s) As Found:
              Santorum, Richar J  Source Document(s)
              Santorum, Richard  Source Document(s)
              Santorum, Richard J  Source Document(s)
              Santorum, Rick J  Source Document(s)

              Telephone:
              703-443-8010  Source Document(s)
              561-6965  Source Document(s)

              Address Variation(s):
              * * * ORIGINAL * * *
               218 W Beaver Avenue 21, State College Borough, PA  
                Source Document(s)

              * * * POSTAL STANDARD * * *
               218 W Beaver Ave, State College, PA 16801-4818
              County/FIPS: Centre
              MSA: State College, PA - 8050
               Owner Indication

              * * * ORIGINAL * * *
               17650 Tobermony, Leesburg, VA 20175
                Source Document(s)

               17650 Tobermory Pl, Leesburg, VA 20175-7052
                Source Document(s)

              * * * POSTAL STANDARD * * *
               17650 Tobermory Pl, Leesburg, VA 20175-7052
              County/FIPS: Loudoun
              MSA: Washington, DC-MD-VA-WV - 8840
               Owner Indication

              Previous Address(es):
              * * * ORIGINAL * * *
               120 Russell Senate Off Build, Washington, DC 20510-0001
                Source Document(s)

              * * * ORIGINAL * * *
               127 Seminole Dr, Pittsburgh, PA 15228
                Source Document(s)

               127 Seminole Dr, Pittsburgh, PA 15228-1528
                Source Document(s)

              * * * POSTAL STANDARD * * *
               127 Seminole Dr, Pittsburgh, PA 15228-1528
              County/FIPS: Allegheny
              MSA: Pittsburgh, PA - 6280
               Owner Indication

              * * * ORIGINAL * * *
               PO Box 10495, Pittsburgh, PA 15234
                Source Document(s)

               PO Box 10495, Pittsburgh, PA 15234-0495
                Source Document(s)

              * * * POSTAL STANDARD * * *
               PO Box 10495, Pittsburgh, PA 15234-0495
              County/FIPS: Allegheny
              MSA: Pittsburgh, PA - 6280

              * * * ORIGINAL * * *
               456 Beaver Ave, State College, PA 16801-5653
                Source Document(s)

               456 E Beaver Ave, State College, PA 16801
                Source Document(s)

               456 East Beaver Ave, State College, PA 16801
                Source Document(s)

              * * * POSTAL STANDARD * * *
               456 E Beaver Ave, State College, PA 16801-5653
              County/FIPS: Centre
              MSA: State College, PA - 8050
               Owner Indication

              * * * ORIGINAL * * *
               1101 Landerset Dr, Herndon, VA 20170
                Source Document(s)

               1101 Landerset Dr, Herndon, VA 20170-2083
                Source Document(s)

              * * * POSTAL STANDARD * * *
               1101 Landerset Dr, Herndon, VA 20170-2083
              County/FIPS: Fairfax
              MSA: Washington, DC-MD-VA-WV - 8840

              ATTRIBUTES:

              Gender: Male
              Date of Birth: 05/1958
               Source Document(s)

              Roles and Occurrences in Data:
              Name Variation(s) As Found: 4
              Real Property Owner: 3
              Mortgage(s): 1
              Aircraft Owner: 0
              Boat Owner: 0
              Bankruptcy Petitioner: 0
              Other Bankruptcy Party: 0
              Judgment: 0
              Debtor: 0
              Creditor: 0
              Executive: 0
              Registered Agent: 0

              ASSETS

              Real Property

              Property Address:  218 W BEAVER AVENUE 21
              State: PA
              County/FIPS: CENTRE
              Estimated Roll Certification Date: 09/01/2002
              Assessor's Parcel Number: 36-012-,068-,0304-
               Source Document(s)

              Property Address:  456 E BEAVER AVENUE, STATE COLLEGE, PA 16801
              State: PA
              County/FIPS: CENTRE
              Estimated Roll Certification Date: 09/01/2002
              Assessor's Parcel Number: 36-013-,211-,0603-
               Source Document(s)

              Property Address:  17650 TOBERMORY PL, LEESBURG, VA 20175-7052
              State: VA
              County/FIPS: LOUDOUN
              Estimated Roll Certification Date: 01/01/2003
              Sale Price: $643,361
              Assessor's Parcel Number: 270-46-5343-000
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              ASSOCIATED ENTITIES

               ASSOCIATED REALTY PROPERTY MANAGEMENT
              456 E Beaver Ave
              State College, PA 16801-5653
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               TOLL LAND IX L P
              17650 Tobermony
              Leesburg, VA 20175
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              WESTMINSTER MTG
              VA
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               Garver, Karen Anne
              17650 Tobermory Pl
              Leesburg, VA 20175-7052
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               Slager, Barbara L
              19213 Racine Ct
              Montgomery Village, MD 20886-3900
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               Slager, James R
              19213 Racine Ct
              Montgomery Village, MD 20886-3900
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              PA Tax Assessor Records - Centre County 3  Source Document(s)
              P-FIND - Person Locator (Region 3) 1  Source Document(s)
              P-SRCH - Person Locator (Eastern Region 3) 1  Source Document(s)
              P-TRAK - Person Locator (Region 18) 1  Source Document(s)
              P-TRAK - Person Locator (Region 38) 1  Source Document(s)
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              Load Date: 10/22/2004

              From the links it appears that the Santorum's purchased the house in November of 2001 and the current assessed valuation of the house is 796,800 (actually this was the market value in 2002, so it appears that the Santorums got a great deal on the house).

              Other source documents show that the Santorums acquired the Verona Pa house in September 1997 for $87,000.

              http://www.lexis.com/research/retrieve/frames?_m=266ce5d322a20afdc12a7a8fb3f68110&csvc=bl&cf orm=bool&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=1&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVtz-zSkAW&_md5=ffd954bd0eceb a0c6a948c0002d8877a

              •  Tax Records Tell The Tale... (none)
                ...they bought it new in 2001. The assessed valuation is definately on the low side - recent sales are close to cracking $1,000,000. As this house is more than 5,000 square feet, it's one of the largest models in the Shenstone development, one of Leesburg's most expensive developments.

                Loudoun County Tax Database:

                http://inter1.loudoun.gov/cgi-bin/db2www.exe/webpdbs/re.d2w/INDEX

                Saved your pennies and want to move in next door? Here you are:

                http://www.tollbrothers.com/homesearch/servlet/HomeSearch?app=community_description&comm_num=159 1

                •  Sniff. Sniff, sniff. Hmmmm... (4.00)
                  Toll Brothers, eh? Bought it new for a sweetheart price, eh?

                  Isn't Toll Brothers a Pennsylvania-based corporation? Why, yes it is! My word, look at that!

                  Do you think the Toll Brothers themselves are fans of the Senator?

                  Why, yes they are! My word, look at that!

                  I must confess, it's got me wondering.

                  I'm also curious as to how the Santorums found the gem they own at 111 Stephens Lane.

                  I wonder if his wife, Karen Garver Santorum, did the house hunting. It couldn't have been all that hard to find, given that one Dr. Kenneth L. Garver lives at 101 Stephens Lane. Oh yeah, and he's something of a Santorum fan. Not much, but the Garver family's good for some cash. In fact, head on over to opensecrets.org and look up every listed donation made by anyone named Garver, anywhere in the entire state of Pennsylvania, since 1990. There are 37 of them, and 36 of them went to Rick Santorum.

                  It's not that I wouldn't expect Santorum's in-laws to pony up, of course. I just wanted to be as sure as I could that the Garvers of 101 Stephens Lane were who I thought they were.

                  But I digress. I think there's a Toll Brothers connection here somewhere. I did discover via opensecrets that there's a Toll Brothers executive by the name of Vincent DeLuca, a surname shared by the current residents of 111 Stephens Lane, though there were no direct contributions to Santorum. A few odd-looking commitments to the state Republican parties of Michigan, Nevada, Missouri, Ohio and Minnesota, though. Odd, that is, for a Pennsylvania resident.

                •  Also interesting: (4.00)
                  Bought a new $700K house in 2001, right after Karen settled her medical malpractice lawsuit against her chiropractor for $350K.

                  No wonder he's for tort reform. It's the new redlining. They don't want to live next to the riff-raff, after all.

              •  Give him a call (none)
                Telephone:
                703-443-8010  Source Document(s)
                561-6965  Source Document(s)

                right around dinner time.

                I'm sure he'd be glad to hear from you!

                Resist much, obey little. ~~Edward Abbey

                by willyr on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 04:25:50 PM PST

                [ Parent ]

              •  Wow, cool. (none)
                He's practically a neighbor. Maybe I'll drop by and see the place.

                A hundred bucks says there's a "Beware of Dog" sign.

            •  Zoned for rentals? (none)
              Great diary entry juls! In our college town, you have to be careful not to break zoning regulations if you sublet or have too many people living at one address that are not immediate family. Keep up the good work.
      •  The lights are on but (none)
        nobody's home?

        'Christine Shott, Santorum spokeswoman, yesterday said, "They divide their time between the Penn Hills residence and the house in northern Virginia.''

        She could not detail how often he stays in Penn Hills.

        Santorum was unavailable for an interview.'

        http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04324/414263.stm

        Resist much, obey little. ~~Edward Abbey

        by willyr on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 01:34:44 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  Renting it out? (none)
        I wonder if they are renting the place to these folks.  I have no doubt they are receiving some consideration for letting them stay there, it just doesn't seem like Rick to let people not pay rent because he's being nice.

        The PA Homesteading rules came into being in 1999, meaning he had to go and fill it in deliberately (as opposed to when he bought the house.)  If he just filled it in when he bought the house and never really lived there he may be able to plausibly claim he intended to live there, but if he filled it out after he was not living there then it is a deliberate fraud.

        I also wonder if he has claimed any residence benefits in VA, if so he has also deliberately violated the Homestead Exemption.

        This is a small thing, but it is indicative of his little scheming criminal hypocrit self.  It would be great if he gets nailed on it.  If we can bring down mad-dog Al Capone for Tax evasion, why not use the same thing for man-on-dog Rick Santorum?

    •  who runs the cyber school? (none)
      Just who was getting the $30k per year from the good citizens of Penn Hills?

      It would be worth looking into, since that's a lot of "cyberschooling" value.  

      Maybe a big donor? Cousin? In-law?  

  •  Withdrawing kids from cyberschool (none)
    This article says they'll homeschool now.  I guess he doesn't believe in public education.  

    In a statement issued late Wednesday and posted on the senator's Web site, Santorum said they would withdraw their children from the cyber charter school.

    "The school district has just informed us that after reviewing our situation, only children who live in a community on a full time basis are eligible to be educated in a public cyber charter school program," Santorum said. "Karen and I believe it is important for our family to be with me when I am working in Washington; as I always say the most important job I have is as a husband and a father."

  •  This is not the only case... (4.00)
    Santourum only cares about himself. (Surprise!  But we have to make sure every Pennsylvanian knows this too.)

    For example, he supports capping pain & suffering lawsuits to $250,000.   Yet his wife sued her chiropracter for just that reason for half a million dollars and won $350,000.

    And make sure every wingnut in PA knows that the only reason pro-choice, "liberal" Arlen Specter is still Senator and likely Chairman of the Judiciary Committee is because of Santorum.   Santorum cares more about his reelection than "saving the babies." </wingnut>.   According to Specter, "My number one priority in the next two years is to re-elect Senator Santorum."  

    You're confused again, George. More Americans voted against you than anyone in history. The only "Man-Date" you'll have is if Dick takes you out for dinner.

    by Jeff in PA on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 12:10:40 PM PST

    •  Pain and Suffering? (none)
      The lawsuit was in Virginia, of course.
      •  Which highlights another red state hypocrisy... (none)
        Although it's a story for another day.

        Tort reform fans! Medical malpractice reform fans! Which states' juries, on average, return verdicts with the highest awards for damages?

        If you guessed "Red States," give yourself a cigar!

        Then sue yourself for giving yourself cancer! Just be sure to do it in Mississippi!

  •  Robber-baron senators (4.00)
    This reminds me so much of a Brad deLong rant
    "...of Nozick's Anarchy, State, and Utopia. I also assigned this--and generated a ferocious discussion about whether Nozick's use of state power to break his contracted word and extort $30,000 from Eric Segal was or was not something that should affect one's interpretation of and confidence in ASU."

    http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/movable_type/2003_archives/001281.html

    Republicans swear by capitalism but never have the guts to walk-the-talk! Trash welfare-moms for not striving and living by the judeo-christian work ethic of this very moral nation during the day; and by sunset when the lights are out, come out and suck the government dry so that there's nothing left for those less crafty, less shifty, less immoral than you - for the poor are only poor because they were not sharp enough to catch on to the immeasurable, brazen-faced gall with which you would come out to rob them; they are only poor because they are not quick enough to grab on to what's perpetually falling off your Halliburton-and-Enron-style 'lorry'; they are only poor because, they, poor suckers, thought the commandments were something the both of you would follow; they are and will continue to be poor because as this election showed us inspite of it all, they are willing to give you shiftless, bait-and-switch vote-robber Republican barons the benefit of 4 more years of doubt!!!

  •  As a PA resident... (none)
    I can't stand Santorum...it all came to a head with that whole homosexuality leads to incest and bestiality thing.

    Personally, I hope this brings Rick down.

    It woulnd't hurt either in 2006 if Pat Toomey decided to run in the primary against him - two conservatives battling it out.  Toomey almost brought down Specter.

    All we need to do is find a good, solid Dem candiadate to run against him.

  •  "Is Rick Home?" (4.00)
    What we need to do: Get people with video cameras to drop by Mr. Santorum's house periodically to check if he's home. Just checking.

    Reporters need to request interviews, and tell his office that they'll meet him "at home."

    Send him cards and letters by certified mail.

    Were I more enterprising, I'd make it into a feature film - kind of a combination of "Roger & Me" and "Waiting For Godot."

  •  Rick Santorum (none)
    Is a racist devil! I know cause I had the pleasure of dealing with him.....Oh, and not to mention he has the eyes of Michael Meyers: A psycho with no soul.
  •  Cyber School's Admissions requirements: residency (4.00)
    From the school's website requiring a face-to-face meeting with the children's parents as part of the admissions process.
    http://www.wpccs.com/School/admin.aspx

    "You will need to bring the following documents to your appointment:

    • student's birth certificate
    • student's Social Security Card
    • student's immunization records
    • student's academic transcripts or report cards
    • proof of residency, such as a utility bill
    • copy of parent's driver's license
    • IEP and ER, if applicable"

    Uh..and I'm wondering how come you need proof of immunization to sit home in Virginia while you attend school through cyberspace.

    Sure, that's a bit picky. Maybe they'd pick up a..err..virus?

    Resist much, obey little. ~~Edward Abbey

    by willyr on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 01:23:33 PM PST

  •  Is this any way . . .? (4.00)
    Is this any way for a United States Senator, his wife, and their six children to live?

    Here is the house at the center of the controversy:

    I think of your children, Senator.  I think of them sleeping dormatory-style in the house's second and only other bedroom.   How sad that we as a nation cannot afford to house our devoted public servants with any more dignity and respect for the personal lives and privacy of their family members.  

    I weep for the Santorums.

    I don't live in my country any longer.

    by GOTV on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 01:31:50 PM PST

  •  I posted this above but.... (4.00)
    not thinking that it wouldn't really get commented on if it weren't posted as its own comment.  Sorry for the beginners mistake by repeating this post but I think I might have a salient point and would love some feedback on it.  

    ******

    From my perspective:  I live here (pity me - he's my Senator) and I think that most people were shocked to read or hear that he owned a home in Penn Hills!

    Why Penn Hills?  Cheapest neighborhood he could find?  I think that this goes a bit further than just ripping off the school district, using the homestead exemption for tax savings, not having the proper permits like regular people have to, etc.....

    This ENTIRE episode should be skillfully spun into a tale of how OUT OF TOUCH he is with his constituency.  This should be the BOTTOM line campaign focus much like = "Its the economy stupid."  

    It should be said over and over in Rove like fashion that Santorum thinks he's above everyone else.  Why shouldn't his kids rip off the Penn Hills taxpayers?  Why shouldn't he pay as little tax as possible when all these poor working class blue collar stiffs are just trying to get by?  Why should he have to worry about silly little municiple rules like the average Joe?

    They need to point out the ARROGANCE and insensitivity to the everyday lives of the average Joe and just never let it go.  This will bury him in W. PA and he knows it.  This is seriously the worst thing that has happened to this creep in his political career and I love the fact that its self inflicted.

    People around here won't put up with his being a high fallutin carpetbagger skipping out on his taxes and sticking the little guys with the education bill for his brats.  W PA is a blue collar, hard working type of town where an absentee Senator living in a $700,000 Virginia home taking money from Penn Hills is just NOT going to fly.  

    God I HATE this guy.  I can't wait for 2006.  BRING IT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!

     

    •  As a Penn Hills taxpayer (none)
      I am disgusted with this whole situation. And he took a stillborn fetus home for his children to hold? I'm sorry, but that is just sick.
      And he's mulling a 2008 Presidential bid? Rick Santorum, leader of the free world? Pleasant dreams tonight, folks.
  •  I almost forgot.... (4.00)
    some times things come to me a little late but to give you all a little background on this to understand how much this issue is a touchy subject around here....

    In 2000, Allegheny County launched a reassessment on all county properties.  It hadn't been done in decades and it was very controversial.  They hired an Ohio Company, Sabre Systems to reassess all properties.  Sabre went about completely screwing it up royally.  Everyone's taxes went through the roof and as you know, your school taxes are the majority of your property tax.  

    To give you an idea of the tax hike and its severity - mine wnet from a total of $1700 to almost $6000 in one year!  People were freaking and everyone appealed.  So, the appeals process became very politicized.  Then, once it was discovered how screwed up the whole thing was, the County sued Sabre Systems and hired another company to fix the mistakes.  The new company went about reassessing everyone again.  So, for most people, their taxes went up yet AGAIN.  

    The entire county is set for another reassessment in 2006.  This is a political hot potato and Santorum has stepped in it bigtime.  

    I love it.  Love that he's in the middle of this and his re-election campaign will have to answer this question over and over and over just as everyone is set to get screwed by this tax sting again.

  •  niece and nephew....are they married? live in sin (none)
    maybe we need a bit more info on the niece and nephew.....you know,  people in glass houses ....
  •  "Now class, please pay attention!" (none)
    "In today's cyber-lesson we will learn about the meaning of the word "fraud".  Gabriel, can you spell fraud and use it in a sentence for your brothers and sisters?"

    "You don't lead by pointing and telling people some place to go. You lead by going to that place and making a case." - Ken Kesey

    by Glinda on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 02:33:00 PM PST

    •  I'm tempted to troll rate this (none)
      If you're using the name "Gabriel" because you know it't the name of Santorum's stillborn son.   Because that would cross the line.

      However, I do think it is alright to point out how creepy Rick Santorum is that he took home the stillborn fetus to have his other children to hold.   I understand mourning a stillborn child, but to take it home to have his little children hold it?   That's beyond creepy.

      You're confused again, George. More Americans voted against you than anyone in history. The only "Man-Date" you'll have is if Dick takes you out for dinner.

      by Jeff in PA on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 03:32:28 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Oh my! (none)
        I thought that was the name of one of his living children!  I had no idea!  So the book "Letters to Gabriel" is to a stillborn child?  Oh, my.  

        I guess I will have apologies to make to Rick and his wife.  That was unintentionally tasteless.  

        "You don't lead by pointing and telling people some place to go. You lead by going to that place and making a case." - Ken Kesey

        by Glinda on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 06:35:23 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  Can some kind trusted user hide my above (none)
      comment?  My faux pas is making me ill.  Thanks.  It will be greatly appreciated.

      I just realize I can't even troll rate myself!  One should really be allowed to give oneself a 1 or a 2

      "You don't lead by pointing and telling people some place to go. You lead by going to that place and making a case." - Ken Kesey

      by Glinda on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 03:44:35 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  I see his wife's a nurse and an attorney ... (none)
    How convenient!

    She can attend to his wounds when his constituents beat him senseless and she can represent him in court when the inevitable trial comes.

    Gee! Will the Repugs be needing a "Rick Santorum Rule" soon?

    "You don't lead by pointing and telling people some place to go. You lead by going to that place and making a case." - Ken Kesey

    by Glinda on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 02:38:54 PM PST

  •  Doubt much will come of it (none)
    There was a bit of a fuss about Cheney and Bush both living in Texas, though Cheney maintained some kind of residence in Wyoming. I think this will probably subside, but such a scandal couldn't happen to worse guy.

    Three Way News following the Freepers, so you don't have to.

    by jimdscott on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 05:20:08 PM PST

  •  Who answered the door? (none)
    These puritanical bullshit artists like Santorum are often overcompensating for some radically perverse sex life.  I wonder what this young fellow's relationship is to Santorum?  Maid?  Servant?  Butler?  Fluffer?  Live-in threesome partner?  

    Could this perhaps be the guy who's into man-on-dog sex that we keep hearing about from Santorum?  

    It's pretty fun to just imagine the sort of debauchery that takes place in Santorum's home.

    "You go to your TV to turn your brain off. You go to your computer to turn your brain on." - Steve Jobs

    by Subterranean on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 05:31:13 PM PST

  •  if we want it to be an issue (none)
    then we have to keep it on the front burner. Follow the suggestions above. Run a mock reward for "Santorum raking leaves" spottings in Pittsburgh. Write letters to your editors at regular intervals. Get on the PA DNC - that bastion of sporadic misorganization - to get someone running NOW.

    As a native Pennsylvanian, deep in central PA, I cannot for a second understand the appeal of this guy. Even my Republican friends call him the devil.

    I guess it goes without saying who I think would be a good candidate. The name appeal is there, huge in PA. The western part of the state would be a cinch. Running as a Dem would pretty much lock up Philly. And there's still enough goodwill here for Jack Heinz that the midstate would be contestable.

    I staffed for Harris Wofford -- an eminently decent man, with very little political suave unfortunately -- in 1992. Wofford was selected by THK to fill Heinz's Senate seat. Santorum smeared that family, drug them through the mud. There's probably enough rancor there to propel a run. And it would be such poetic justice.

  •  Santorum leaks continue...... (none)
    The (ahem)  poop on Chateau Santorum, courtesy of the Allegheny County Tax Department.

    And if you have any more questions, ask Alyssa!

    A proud member of the reality-based community!

    by roxtar on Fri Nov 19, 2004 at 05:46:20 PM PST

  •  Santorum won't reimburse district - email from (none)
    PA Democratic Party:

    Virginia's Third Senator Still Refusing to Pay PA Back

    Senator Santorum, a Virginia Resident, Mum on Repaying $100,000
    in Cyber-School Costs

    HARRISBURG, PA: For the second time this week, Rep. T.J. Rooney, Chair of the Pennsylvania Democratic Party, is calling on Sen. Rick Santorum to repay Pennsylvania taxpayers for the exorbitant costs, to the tune of $100,000 that Rick Santorum has selfishly taken from Pennsylvania students to pay for the cyber-school education of his own children who live in Virginia.

    Rooney said today, "It's amazing to me that Senator Santorum thinks he can duck this bill.  He owes this money to the taxpayers and to the children.  He wants to call himself a public servant, but apparently he has just been using the public to serve his own needs."

    According to the Associated Press, the Penn Hills School District in suburban Pittsburgh has spent $100,000 on the Internet-based education of Santorum's children since 2001-2002.  Santorum purchased his two bedroom residence in the school district in 1997 for $87,800.  His Leesburg, Virginia home was assessed at $757,000 this year.

    "Talk about skewed priorities," Rooney followed.  "When residents of western Pennsylvania needed his help to clean up massive flood damage, he said there weren't enough federal funds available.  The arrogance it takes for him to refuse government aid to help local business people in need but use the government to overpay for his children's education is simply amazing."

    In that case, Santorum counseled that the business people should have bought flood insurance. [Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, October 6, 2004]

    ###

  •  This diary should somehow be kept alive. (none)
    There is a tremendous amount of good information here that can be used against him in 2006.

    That said, I was struck by a couple of paragraphs from Friday's Post-Gazette article on the free schooling being offered to Santorum by the Western Pennsylvania Cyber Charter School. Could this be Santorum's Cybergate?:

    The cyber school responded yesterday by saying that teachers are willing to donate their time to the children. The Santorums, though, would have to pay for computers, Internet access and material. There was no immediate response from the Santorums.

    Nick Trombetta, chief executive officer of the cyber charter school, said the school "stands behind the Santorum children."

    He said, "This is not about politics or special treatment. This is about going to bat for our students, something we do every day for every child enrolled in our school.''

    "Going to bat for our children?"  I wonder how often Mr. Trombetta offers free services to Pennsylvania students whose parents can't vote on "No Campaign Contributor Left Behind" education appropriations bills.  

    Could someone with more knowlege than I of Senate ethics rules and election law comment on whether this would be construed as a campaign contribution? At least, one must admit it is the softest of soft money contributions.  

    I checked on www.opensecrets.org and found that while Mr. Trombetta hasn't personally donated to Santorum in the past, his politics can be ascertained from his contributions to Melissa Hart.

    BTW: The Western Pennsylvania Cyber Charter School has an impressive website. Looks like some bucks were spent building the site. It is apparently a school for "gifted children". Coming from NYC I am aware that "gifted" is often a eupemism for "white" and "upper-middle class".

    This infuriates me as a public school parent, former PTA president, and strong proponent of improving public schools for all children.  How much money per pupil is being spent per year on each Pennsylvania child taught in a classroom while the "gifted" Santorum children are bilking a school district they don't even live in for around $8000 per child?

    "You don't lead by pointing and telling people some place to go. You lead by going to that place and making a case." - Ken Kesey

    by Glinda on Sun Nov 21, 2004 at 08:00:28 AM PST

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