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I can't find his post anymore, but some helpful Kossack posted a a link to the list of Bush's heaviest corporate contributors. I looked at the "worst of the bunch" sublist and found that it wouldn't be too hard to stop giving my money to a lot of those companies.

So, I think it would be great if this list got around and more people boycotted these companies.

I'm making an attempt to promote the boycotting in the form a meme:

OK, here's how this meme - let's call it the 'Punishing of Traitors meme' - works. Look at this list of the Bush's most prominent corporate backers, then list on your weblog or LiveJournal which companies you're no longer going to give your money to.

If you want, bold the stuff that will actually result in a significant change in your spending habits.

[ My personal boycott list. ]

Most of it shouldn't be too hard to do. If I print this and keep a list in my car, I should be able to remember.

It's kind of a call to action in a format that webloggers and LiveJournalers are pretty familiar with. If you have a weblog and post this meme (using whatever wording you this is best, naturally), maybe we can get others in the weblogging community to participate.

Update, 11/20/04, 4:20 PM: lindiana0 points out that it would be easier to get people into it if we just picked three visible corporations and stuck to those: Wal-Mart, McDonald's, and 7-Eleven. I'm going to still not buy from all the corporations I originally listed, but when I talk to others, I'm going to just go with these three.

I've started a petition for people to sign so that we can give Wal-Mart, McDonald's, and 7-Eleven an idea of how many are doing this. If you plan on avoiding these three companies, sign it to make it public.

If enough people do sign it, does anyone know the best way to contact these companies about it. I'm guess that than just using the feedback forms on their site aren't going to get through to anyone.

Originally posted to ignignokt on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 02:12 AM PST.

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  •  U said it so much more eloquently than I (none)
    and summed it up so much better -

    -thanks

    A little patience and we shall see the reign of witches pass over, their spells dissolve, and the people, recovering their true sight, restore their government.

    by maddrailin on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 02:07:05 AM PST

  •  recommended (none)
    the boycott starts now

    "I'm a president that stands up against power" George W Bush

    by Joe B on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 02:45:42 AM PST

  •  There Was A Good Post On This Last Week (4.00)
    Can't remember the poster, but he/she pulled data from Open Secrets, showing the level of political giving by a long list of corporations.  I applied a 70% rule to that list and came out with the following.  I know it's a tedious read, but reading it may leave some good vs. bad brands in your head for future shopping...
    --------------------------------------------

    Dear xxx,

    Personally, I'm going to apply a 70% rule to your list: if they're giving 70%+ to the GOP, I'm avoiding them, feeling anything less than that could just be corporate shifting with the political winds (and the pharmas on your list -- Pfizer, Glaxo, Wyeth, etc., are famous for that).  BTW, I had already stopped using Continental Airlines this summer, when I heard about Gordon Bethune's outspoken support of Bush and on your list, I see they're at 73% GOP, so good.  Still, this is not going to be easy (because of some of the great brands in the 70%+ list) or clear (because of the multiple PAC issue and individual contributions), but it's a damn good starting point.  

    And since we have so many options below 70%, let me suggest a Blue Alternative List for some point down the road.  If we went solely off your list from Open Secrets, a Blue Alternative List might look something like this -- though someone needs to firm up the info carefully since many of these are borderline (65-69%):

    Airlines: JetBlue, ATA, United, Southwest, Northwest, American -- but NOT AirTran, Continental, Delta, or USAir (for as long as they're functioning).

    Hotels: gotta check the double mention of Hilton, but can select Starwood (e.g., Westin, Four Points, Sheraton, etc.), or Marriott (Marriott, Courtyard, Renaissance, Fairfield Inn, etc.) -- but NOT Carlson's Radisson, Park Plaza, Park Inn and NOT Ramada (owned now by Cendant, an 80%er).  And definitely NOT Days Inn, Super 8, and Amerihost -- all Cendant properties (and careful of their mortgage services -- they denied joint mortgage rights to me and my partner, based on "shareholder policy" -- I think we know what that means).  But what about InterContinental's Holiday Inn and others?  IC is a British firm, but (as we well know from our experience with Tony Blair) that doesn't tell us anything about their Red-Blue orientation.

    Banks: we're well covered: HSBC, Bank of NY, JPMORGANCHASE, Citi, Wells Fargo -- but NOT Cendant -- e.g., when Cendant's PHH unit denied my joint mortgage, I went to JPMChase and was treated well, with dignity.  Also: Bank of America is duplicated good and bad -- what about their Fleet unit in the NE?

    Convenience Stores: Anything local/delis -- not 7-11.

    Dept Stores: Online Retailers w/Blue Mission Statements or Gap or Sears -- NOT JCPenney, Federated Stores (Macy's, Bloomie's, etc.), Saks, Mays (L&T, Foley's, Filene's, Hecht's, Marshall Field), The Ltd or other 70%+ers.
    Discount Dept Stores: join Costco -- certainly don't go to Wal-Mart, Target, or Kmart.

    Grocery Store: with no info on it, pick Stop 'n Shop -- not Kroger, Food Lion, Winn-Dixie, Wal-Mart, etc.

    Restaurants: Ugh, we're hurting here -- we've got Burger King (barely, 67%), but it'll have to be local restaurants or eat-in otherwise -- NOT Yum's KFC, Taco Bell, Long John's, A&W and NOT Brinker's Romano's, Chili's, etc. and NOT Carlson's TGIF and def. NOT Darden's Red Lob or Olive Garden and def. NOT McD's. or Wendy's.
    Video -- NOT Hollywood or Blockbuster, instead order online or via cable service.

    Gas Stations -- slim pickings here, looks like it's BP (thank goodness, I've got one of those near) -- BUT NOT ExxonMobil or Conoco or Shell or ChevronTexaco or Sunoco or Finast (Bi-Lo)

    Home Care/Cleaning Aids: CLOROX at only 37% is very good and loaded with great brands, from trash bags to food storage bags to cleaners and their social giving there in Oakland is exceptionally good -- BUT NOT SC Johnson or P&G.

    Home Improvement: GO LOCAL HDWE or LUMBER -- def. NOT Lowe's (100% GOP), or Home Depot (81%).

    Automotive: Dollar Rental, DaimlerChrysler, Bridgestone Tires, and NOT AutoZone, GM, or Ford, Goodyear or Avis and Budget (Cendant again).

    Electronics & Office Supplies: Microsoft, HP, Gateway and NOT Dell, Apple, Radio Shack, Phillips, Staples.

    Food, Beverage & other Consumables: Nestle, Anh-Busch, Coca-Cola (barely, 68%), Miller, Pepsico, Altria (barely, 68%), but NOT Coors, Cargill, RJ Reynolds.

    Personal Care Products & Retail Drugs: CVS, Gillete, Rite-Aid, Walgreen, J&J.  But NOT Eckerd and def NOT Avon.  But what about Colgate-Palmolive?  Gotta get toothpast from somewhere -- though Tom's of Maine might be an alternative.

    Telecomm: T-Mobile, AT&T, BellSouth, Verizon, Cingular, SBC (barely, 68%)--in that order since many of these float in the wind too.

    This is all based only on my reading of the list you posted from Open Secrets.  Hope someone with some time other than Sunday morning does a definitive list like this.  I think something like this can really catch on.

    - L Bailey

    •  Buy Blue! (none)
      I have been looking for a "blue list"...or at least a "not totally red" list.  Are you aware of any other sources for this information?

      Buying from companies that also support Democrats is a lot more positive and motivating than trying to avoid/boycott bad companies.

      It's like the slogan "Buy American".  That's going to be a lot more effective than "don't buy German, Japanese, or Latin American".

      So, let's get the "Buy Blue" slogan going.

      •  True (none)
        but one can do both. Especially we need to boycott 7 eleven and WalMart - the two biggest GOP donors and evil incarnated (low wages, harassing unions, buying products from exploited third world farmers and child workers etc)

        "I'm a president that stands up against power" George W Bush

        by Joe B on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 08:11:21 AM PST

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      •  True Blue Christmas! (none)
        Click my name for info on this.
      •  BuyBlue.org (4.00)
        The movement is already under way.

        We're working on getting a mailing list set up, but until the bookmark our page.

        Check out it out.  Right now we have about 25 very talented people creating the biggest tool yet to promote buying blue and boycotting red companies.

        We need dedicated volunteers for research work, and any help would be appreciated.  There is contact info at the site.

        http://www.buyblue.org

        Whatever you do, take care of your shoes... Visit my own blog, I'm Crushing Your Vibe!

        by rocketsauce on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 10:04:30 AM PST

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        •  Was waiting for that... (none)
          We discussed this at length in a diary entry here directly after the election and several of us banded together to make it happen.

          As Rocketsauce said, you can check out our homepage at http://www.buyblue.org and we do have a mailing list you can sign up for now.  

          Expect things to be moving very quickly in the coming weeks.  We'll be incorporating as a non-profit this coming week, getting fundraising and marketing going and we have a talented team working on the application behind the scenes.

          In the meantime, please do spread the word and get people to join the mailing list.  Hopefully we'll be fully up and running in a few weeks and we'll take it from there.  This will be a very community oriented site combining the best features of all the existing sites out there that are similar and learning from their mistakes.

          Take your country back one dollar at a time at BuyBlue.org

          by Raven Brooks on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 04:40:56 PM PST

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        •  BuyBlue.org (none)
          This is great!  Just signed up for the email list...

          But may I make a request?  PLEASE change the typeface and/or linespacing in the blog entries.  I have 20/20 vision and my eyes were screaming after reading half of this post from Raven's Blog.

          I know it's a nit-picky thing, but if it bothers me who happens to have a high pain threshhold, I can imagine what it does to others.

          Sorry if this is o/t, but I couldn't find a way to register on the BuyBlue.org site, and the only email seemed to be for people who wanted to volunteer as researchers.

          </bitch>

          Again, this is GREAT and will definitely spread it around.

          Insert trenchant political observation here

          by 40 and Fabulous on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 07:19:23 PM PST

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    •  P & G (none)
      I've said it before, I'll say it again, I personally will keep buying my toothpaste from P & G because they have a supportive domestic partnership/health benefits policy for same-sex partners of their employees.
    •  For banking (none)
       Try the local credit unions. They ususally have the same services as the larger bank but are based in the community and are more often than not a co-op.
    •  How about Long John Silver's? (none)
      They're not listed.
    •  something doesn't add up (4.00)
      Let's take Target for instance. Unless I completely missed something, they have some of the most liberal policies around with solid domestic partner benefits and way better pay and benefits for their employees than Appall-Mart, not to mention they give millions of dollars to charities and schools and told the Salvation Army to go away. There's even more than that.

      Something fails the BS test here. It seems like we should reward companies for treating their employees well, since that is a total rarity in this day and age. I can't prove anything about what Open Secrets says about their political donations, but I'm skeptical about a lot of things here. If I read this right, Gap is a blue store? Please. I think rewarding a company's actions to its own people and to the community as well as what products it sells is more meaningful than anything.

      Definitely Costco is better, but we can parse this down endlessly until we have nowhere left to shop. We need better and more refined critieria that just this. If we focus just on GOP donations and miss other factors, I think we are missing the point. If you can get a blue list with a great company, all the better, but sometimes you got to think beyond this.

      Remember, we are all complicit in something that leads to an injustice of some sort in our country and world. If you buy over a few gallons of gas a month, don't drive a hybrid, buy anything made in a long list of foreign countries who screw their employees, drink coffee not certified as fair trade, buy anything that is not recycled paper, don't recycle at least 75% of your waste output, do anything but bike to work, buy disposable diapers, and a whole slew of other things, you are at least partly complicit in something that leaves a mark on this earth and the people on it. We all leave a footprint of injustice on this earth. Our mission is to minimize that footprint, not indiscriminately throw stones based on one single thing when to do so ignores possibly dozens of other factors.

      We have to look at optimizing our shopping priorities. It's a complex process I've struggled with for years and years and I still haven't figured it out. I know I need to be more intentional about it and take a cheat sheet to the store when I shop, but I think it is much more complex than what we are talking about here. People can obviously disagree with this, but this approach is the one I feel most comfortable with. Bottom line with our example, I will continue to shop at Target.

      "If you want to say, 'Hey! Look at me! I wrote a sentence!' take up graffiti."

      by Aragorn for America on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 08:38:51 AM PST

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      •  BRAVO! (none)
        What an appropriate comment, unexpectedly so, since I was still digesting the whole boycott angle myself. But your logic is absolutely perfect and I find myself in complete agreement.

        To take your angle even further, what is the point of the red/blue distinction anyway? First, a red boycott would be short lived, lasting right up to the point at which the comparatively small number of pro-Dem corporations we have in this country are run out of business by a Repug boycott. And second, It essentially puts us in the same category as all the fundies who voted against gay marriage:  it makes us single-issue citizens. Press the ONE BUTTON WE CARE ABOUT, and you've got our business. That's as dumb as voting for Bush simply because you don't like paying taxes.

        I've been brewing an idea to address this problem for quite some time. I'm not ready to talk about it, but your post has reminded me that I'm on the right track.

        •  good points you make (none)
          it makes us single-issue citizens. Press the ONE BUTTON WE CARE ABOUT, and you've got our business.

          "Single-issue citizens" was the phrase I was searching for. Spot on.

          I've been thinking of an "index", sort of like the college football BCS I suppose only less screwed up, where you get so much good mojo or bad mojo for a particular category based on various pro-progressive themes.

          Such as:

          • Good treatment of employees
          • Participation in local community
          • Sells a good percentage of products made by companies who pay their workers a fair wage
          • Doesn't support offensive causes/Supports good causes
          • Makes political contributions consistent with good ethics
          • Has consistent good corporate ethics, fiscal responsibility, is generally a good partner in the business world
          • Is generally a good corporate citizen

          Bonus points for:
          • Active participation in fair trade products and sales
          • Actively banning products (and announcing it) made in sweatshops or other reprehensible circumstances
          • Actively makes public their policies in favor of providing domestic partner benefits, generous health insurance and family/maternity leave policies, etc.
          • Appropriate and balanced focus on domestic and foreign products
          • Women and minority participation in upper management, VP, CEO levels that actually represents what our country looks like
          • CEOs, VPs, etc. that refuse bonuses or take pay cuts instead of laying people off
          • Promotes environmental sustainability or environmentally friendly practices in manufacturing or other processes.
          • Does anything completely unusual that sets itself apart as a company we are proud to support (like Ben and Jerry's and Costco)

          Take points away for:
          • Eroding benefits plans based on corporate performance
          • Massive executive bonuses when employees are suffering
          • Not paying your employees a living wage
          • Giving money to right-wing causes
          • Treating customers as a nuisance
          • Scandals
          • Deceptive financial practices
          • Just generally not giving a shit about anything except money

          There are more I'm sure. I'm tired and not thinking clearly. Just getting some ideas down in a brainstorm.

          "If you want to say, 'Hey! Look at me! I wrote a sentence!' take up graffiti."

          by Aragorn for America on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 08:24:16 PM PST

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      •  Target (none)
        Why is my Rethuglican Father boycotting Target for being french owned while I am boycotting them for being Rethuglican contributors?
        •  French owned (none)
          I thought this whole French owned thing was a joke. I bought most of the clothes I own from there and whenever someone asks me where I bought something, I say I bought it from "Chez Target" (pronounce Target as a French pronunciation, rhymes with Chez). It's a running joke. I just thought that was where the whole French owned thing came from.

          I've read conflicting reports on the Net on the veracity of this Repub contributor issue. I don't know what's up with that.

          "If you want to say, 'Hey! Look at me! I wrote a sentence!' take up graffiti."

          by Aragorn for America on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 08:31:21 PM PST

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    •  Target... (4.00)
      Target does tremendously good things.  They donate tons of money and merchandise to the community.
      I looked at shopping according to political donations, but decided it was just too unwieldy and impossible to do.  Safeway is the only grocery store anywhere near my house.  Driving 20 minutes to avoid Safeway is hard to justify when I balance it against my concerns for the environment...WalMart I absolutely will not shop at, but I cannot give up Target, and I think that any negatives (GOP donations) are far outweighed by the good Target does.

      I guess this is just not one cause I can support -- especially because this is so nebulous...Are these donations to local republicans, too, or just national?  Not all republicans are the same, and state level politics are not all like the national.  Do we know the reasons these companies donate to the republicans? Perhaps some of these donations are made with the hopes of having some moderating influence over the them.  Do these lists factor in other things, like company policies toward domestic partners, charitable giving, environmental stewardship?  These things are much more important to me than political donations.
      I will be doing some more research and thinking about this, that's for sure...

      •  I don't understand Target (none)
        The company's founder's son is a Democratic Senator from Minnesota.

        Is someone seriously suggesting we should boycott Dayton?

        Looking at this list...
        http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.asp?strID=C00098061&Cycle=2004

        It appears as though they're donating largely to incumbents.  Greasing the palms.

        I guess if we're going to boycott, we'd better make it public.  You press hard enough and they'll stop donating all together, which wouldn't be a bad deal.

        "If any question why we died, Tell them, because our fathers lied." - Rudyard Kipling, 1918

        by Steve4Clark on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 09:12:54 AM PST

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        •  Target (none)
          and others:

          Check out this website then:

          Idealswork

          This site is awesome.  They rate brands according to social and enrivonmental issues.  Do the brands you buy treat women fairly?  Discriminate against minorities?  Support oppressive governments?  And more....

          Try not to become a man of success but rather try to become a man of value. - Albert Einstein

          by smugbug on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 01:35:29 PM PST

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        •  According to that site (none)
          Target donated less than $120,000 to republicans in 2004.  They donate $2 million a WEEK to schools and other charities.  I personally feel the good way way outweighs the bad in this case...
    •  Target (none)
      Target may not deserve inclusion on the boycott list. I don't have links, but a lot of commentary earlier at dKos on this exact topic mentioned Target as having very humane employee policies. Do you have an exact figure as to Target's political contribution ratio?

      In compiling a list of folks to keep our money from, an effort I heartily applaud, it is crucial that we be accurate, for obvious reasons.

      don't always believe what you think

      by claude on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 09:48:04 AM PST

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    •  Don't just boycott (none)
      If you really want to hurt the Republicans, you'll be more effective not just by boycotting, but in writing the companies to tell them you're boycotting because of thier heavy contributions to the Republican Party.  Corporate people really aren't moralists, and are only contributing to the Repugs because they think it will help thier bottom line.  In order for them to KNOW that contributions are hurting thier bottom line, you've got to tell them.  Hell, with the economy going down the shitter, most of these companies will probably be losing profits anyway.  A heap of letters will let them think at least some of this loss is due to thier campaign contributions, and hopefully end the Republican corporate sponsorship.
    •  Are you sure about Apple? (none)
      Steve Jobs is a Democrat.
    •  FYI (none)
      Bill Gates is a staunch Republican (why not, he benefited more from the tax cuts than anyone); Steve Jobs is not only a Democrat but was one of Kerry's campaign advisors.

      People get the government they deserve.

      by chase on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 01:44:25 PM PST

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      •  who was it that said (none)
        something along the lines of "I don't deserve a tax cut - I am already extraordinarily rich"

        "there is no fixed and constant authority, but a continual exchange of mutual, temporary, and, above all, voluntary authority and subordination."

        by Demosthenes on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 05:19:32 PM PST

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    •  Not Apple (none)
      Didn't Apple endorse Gore last time around?  It's a good liberal company, unlike Dell.  I worked there for years.  They're not giving money to Republicans.
  •  We need to pick a couple and make it obvious (4.00)
    I think the best tactic would be to pick a couple of these high contributors and make a noisy plea for all good progressives not to spend their money there.   Make it clear that there are many many people who will notice and will avoid these corporations.

    It will be a stronger force on all corporations if this could be effective (in actually reducing purchases and also in creating publicity).  

    The 1 to 3 chosen "targets" should be very high republican givers, sell directly to consumers (not institutions like banks or insurance companies), and well-known brands.

    I cannot remember all the percentages but if they are over 70%  McDonalds (not good for you anyway), General Mills, and 7-11 would be great choices.

    •  WalMart vs. Costco (none)
      I agree with you sentiment. Though I would avoid General Mills at least to start with because it's too much stuff. Make it really obvious to the consumer and simple. If it's a store, you can just not go there. I would love to see the target be WalMart myself, for a number of reasons.

      One is there is a clear alternative -- tell people avoid Sam's Club and shop at Costco. Obviously for people with no Costco nearby it won't work, but for a lot of people it means not only not supporting Republicans but supporting the most responsible grocery story employer that there is to my knowledge.  That fact makes it easier to sell, as well as helps support the company.

      Also, it taps into some negative WalMart sentiment that's already out there instead of just relying on the campaign contributions.

      Of course, the down side is WalMart is such a giant it's hard to have a discernible effect, but its size could also make it more vulnerable. In a company that large, if things start to go wrong they could multiply.

      Most of all though, you need to publicize it, and make sure the company knows you're doing it.

    •  Pick Your Targest and Save Amo (none)
      I agree.

      Pick a few of the worst offenders and give them the full treatment and let the fact be known.

      Suggestions:

      MacDonalds (who needs the carbs anyway?)
      Ford Motor Company
      ChevronTexaco
      WalMart

      Others?

    •  Agreed, boycotts must be narrowly targeted (none)
      Cull one company from the ignoble herd and target it -- preferably one that sells lots of stuff to liberal/lefties.

      I saw something done in a union campaign against Borders which worked very well as a way of drawing attention to their misdeeds while simultaneously diminishing their ability to do business. You organise a small group to show up, bring items up to the checkout lines at the same time and pay with small coins (this really slows down transaction time and results in long queues forming behind you). When you've bought the stuff, you do a double-take and say loudly and clearly 'Oh my God! I need a refund! I totally forgot that xxxx donated to the republicans (or in the case I'm thinking of, indulges in union-busting tactics)' I can't possibly buy this stuff, I'd never be able to sleep at night.'

      You have to be careful to make sure that it doesn't come across as being pissed off at the person on the checkout though. And obviously, it has to be a company that has a refund policy.

      I have no country to fight for; my country is the earth and I am a citizen of the world -- Eugene Debs

      by dove on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 12:37:53 PM PST

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  •  It won't work (none)
    If you want to choose one very partisan corporate contributor who sells a product that is easy to find elsewhere for the same price it might get some media attention, but if you want everyone to consult a list before they buy a can of soda it is a waste of time.

    similar post

    Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius

    by Blue Neponset on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 07:24:22 AM PST

    •  Funny... (none)
      It seems to work for the moral majority and NRA. Still, you are right that naming specific companies works better. So how about this:

      Boycott:

      General Mills
      Geico
      Shell
      Chevron
      McDonald's

      Start with those and add more later if you want.

      Delenda est Sinclair! http://www.dkosopedia.com/index.php/Sinclair_Broadcast_Group

      by mole333 on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 10:51:01 AM PST

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      •  WalMart (none)
        should be on top of that list. They're pure evil in all aspects

        "I'm a president that stands up against power" George W Bush

        by Joe B on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 12:58:30 PM PST

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      •  well (none)
        The campaign has to be very very narrow.  If you're not shopping someplace or 100 places, and nobody knows why, then what's the point?  Makes you feel good, but has zero impact.

        Wal Mart strikes me as the best, single target.  They give so much to republicans everywhere, even at the local level.  And because almost everything about the company goes against our core values as democrats.

        "For these things, too, and for a multitude of others like them, we have only just begun to fight." --FDR

        by markymarx on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 03:25:14 PM PST

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        •  Feel free (none)
          Feel free to start narrow. Wal Mart also has a good alternative in Costco. However I will point out that the anti-apartheid movement in no way stayed narrow. They targeted many companies, including many big companies. I don't think we have to be narrowly focused. Personally I plan on targeting a vairety of companies and urging others to do the same. I am sick and tired of the left being ineffectual and the right haveing the tenacity to win fight after fight. So I am prepared to go at it big time and boycott the companies that are at the core of this naiton's problems. My family has given up General Mills. Next time my homeowner's insurance comes up I am switching from State Farm. Etc. I am ready to do what it takes to put my consumption dollars where my values are.

          Delenda est Sinclair! http://www.dkosopedia.com/index.php/Sinclair_Broadcast_Group

          by mole333 on Sun Nov 21, 2004 at 04:56:44 AM PST

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      •  Bad targets & Boycotts normally don't work (none)
        General Mills makes a ton of products you would have to carry around a notebook to figure out what you could buy and what you are boycotting.  

        Geico wise...it is difficult to change insurance companies that is kind of a once a year choice and Geico isn't in all 50 states.  

        Shell & Chevron are better choices, but they are huge oil companies and we would have to hurt them extremely badly before they stop giving to oil company lovers like Bush, Cheney etc.

        McDonalds has the best french fries and I literally just went there 10 minutes ago.

        I am not a big boycott supporter anyway.  

        Corporations just want to make money.  They will donate to the people in power because the people in power can help them more than the people who aren't in power.

        Also, there are many innocent bystanders when you boycott.  Someone earning $35K a year to run a McDonalds doesn't deserve to be hurt because the corporation he works for likes to donate money to Rebuplicans.

        Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius

        by Blue Neponset on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 04:48:46 PM PST

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        •  Spoken like a true leftist (none)
          We are great at convincing ourselves that our efforts will fail. The right doesn't do that. They just act and they win far more often than we do. Personally I am sick of losing and I am willing to go all out to win. The anti-Aparteid movement, one of the more determined leftist efforts, had a broad focus, taking in a wide variety of companies. They had an impact. So it can be done if we have want to do it. You may not want to support it, but I come from the tradition of Cesar Chavez's grape boycott, the Coors boycott and the anti-Apartheid movement. Those all worked. I am also sick of the weakness of the left. We criticize the Dem Congress for being wimpy. Well, as consumers so are we. I am planning on fighting a winning game this time and what better way than going for their profit margins.

          It is about time the left stop telling itself to lose.

          Delenda est Sinclair! http://www.dkosopedia.com/index.php/Sinclair_Broadcast_Group

          by mole333 on Sun Nov 21, 2004 at 05:02:44 AM PST

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          •  Lighen up Francis (none)
            Why don't you show us all how smart you are by answering my argument?  

            Don't bother commenting on the points I made explaining why I think a boycott won't work or why I think it is a bad idea in general.

            Just accuse me of being a true leftists whatever that means.  

            If you want to compare Anti-Apartheid boycotts to boycotting McDonalds because they give 75% of their political contributions to Republicans go ahead.  

            You know what I am sick of?  People who make extremely broad generalizations about a person's motives when that person disagrees with them.  

            Do you know anything about business?  Have you ever tried to make a payroll?  Have you ever heard of supply and demand?  

            Boycotts don't normally work because they drive the price down and the market always finds an equilibrium.  If you want me to explain that. Tough shit.  Look it up yourself.  

            I am also sick of people who don't what the fuck they are talking about but get a head of steam up to do something regardless of whether it will be helpful.

            Another economic principle is all resources are limited.  If we spend time, money and effort doing something that won't work we are wasting our resources.  

            What is the ultimate goal of the boycott?  To stop corporations from donating to Republicans?  What will that do to help our chances in 2006 and 2008?  How is that going to get us back on a winning streak?  

            Also, if you are truly upset about corporations donating more to republicans than to democrats are you also upset that some corporations donate more to democrats than republicans?  Is that wrong too?  

            If your answer to this post is to whine more and call me names then you are the pussy.

            Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius

            by Blue Neponset on Sun Nov 21, 2004 at 06:57:00 AM PST

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            •  Lighten up yosself, Jack (none)
              Sorry dude, you started the high and mighty tone. Maybe I shouldn't have continued it, but I don't need you to tell me that a technique that has been used often with variable success by both the right and the left doesn't work. I have seen boycotts work whatever you might think. That was how I addressed your point was to point out that your premise is not necessarily correct.

              What is the goal? Sure, why not get them to think twice about where their money goes. If they donated to the KKK wouldn't that be something to boycott over? Not that I intend to directly equate the KKK and the Repubs, but we do have power as consumers and I don't care to have you lecturing me that we don't. If you choose not to use it, that is your choice. I choose to use it.

              One thing you pointed out that I did not address but should have is the issue of franchises. On the one hand I agree that the poor shmoo who buys a franchise is something of an innocent bystander. I feel that that doesn't change the fundamental need to use economic power to influence the market. However, you make a good point there.

              Delenda est Sinclair! http://www.dkosopedia.com/index.php/Sinclair_Broadcast_Group

              by mole333 on Sun Nov 21, 2004 at 05:49:08 PM PST

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  •  One more thought (none)
    A true Progressive could give up Lucky Charms for the cause
    •  General Mills not just cereal (none)
      Cheerios, Lucky Charms, Wheaties, Total, Chex, etc. but also anything Betty Crocker or Pillsbury, Nature Valley (granola bars), Betty Crocker Fruit Snacks, Yoplait Yogurt products, and Gold Medal flour.

      Things to do today: 1. retreat; 2. retrench; 3. lower expectations

      by Joan in Seattle on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 08:33:30 AM PST

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  •  Wait a minute... (none)
    How can Heinz be on the "worst of the bunch" sublist?? Am I missing something?
    •  YES! You are! (none)
      More filthy lies from the right. Heinz Kerry does NOT run that company, she is rich FROM the company.

      Yes, they're stockholders, and there is some irony here.

      "A riot is an ugly thing, and I think it's just about time we had one." - Young Frankenstein

      by Doug in SF on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 08:03:41 AM PST

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    •  Teresa was (none)
      married to a Repug Senator...This one had me scratching my head too.

      "Take the rag away from your face, now ain't the time for your tears." -Dylan

      by finkstah on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 09:00:27 AM PST

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      •  Just a note (none)
        I know a lot of people just use 'repug' to mean Republican, but it's still pretty harsh to see that applied to John Heinz.  I hate the Republican Party just as much as anybody, but John Heinz was a good man who really doesn't deserve to be lumped in with the scum that holds his seat now.  Remember, we here in Pennsylvania came to realignment late.
        •  The party fo Sen. Heinz (none)
          has been taken hostage.  It may yet be brutally behaded.

          These are not your father's Republicans we're dealing with.

          O it is excellent to have a giant's strength; but it is tyrannous To use it like a giant--Shakespeare, Measure for Measure, Act II

          by ogre on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 02:12:30 PM PST

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    •  That caught my attention too (none)
      John Heinz, as I recall, was a legitimate conservative, or moderate conservative.  He would not be down with the neocons.

      How much stock does Teresa own in Heinz corp? What's her percentage?

      "When you trade your values for the hope of winning, you end up losing and having no values, so you keep losing." -- Howard Dean, "You Have The Power"

      by Muboshgu on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 11:21:59 AM PST

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  •  A related idea... (none)
    How about if the 48% who voted for Kerry never watch FOX again?  They'd shivel up and die.

    Bush denies presidential timber.

    by Lumiere on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 08:04:25 AM PST

  •  Prefer NO political contributions (4.00)
    Just thinking....

    As much as I would rather buy from a "blue" company than a "red" company, what I REALLY want to see is these companies get out of the business of buying influence.

    I think corporations should not be allowed to donate to politicians at all. Corporations are NOT people and should not have the rights of people, like freedom of speech.  IMO (and also Thom Hartmann's).

    What do folks think about vigorously promoting any company that takes a public stand to NOT donate to politicians, PACs, etcetera?  Are there any companies that have done this?

    Evil is always well-funded.

    by blue secession on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 08:11:04 AM PST

    •  Corporate donations (none)
      are forbidden in most of Europe. Another reason to move there.

      "I'm a president that stands up against power" George W Bush

      by Joe B on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 08:13:14 AM PST

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      •  They were forbidden, by law... (none)
        in the early 20th century.  That was a major reform.  Unfortunately, since corporations claim to be persons, they claim the right to make donations.  Until corporate personhood is dealt with, there's no way to make them stop.

        Unfortunately, I think it would be a disasterous move now to take corporate personhood before the Court.  I think they'd affirm it, proving that they're even lower than the court that issued the infamous Santa Clara decision that helped promulgate the erroneous idea that corporations were persons, legally.

        O it is excellent to have a giant's strength; but it is tyrannous To use it like a giant--Shakespeare, Measure for Measure, Act II

        by ogre on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 08:49:08 AM PST

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        •  Guess what (none)
          We are all "persons" as well, and if we "persons" decide to stop purchasing from corporations that donate to political candidates I think they'd find some drawbacks to getting involved.

          So what you're saying is by not paying a union wage, by lowering the wages of those workers - you can cut my taxes - Terri Gross to Grover Norquist

          by The past is over on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 03:54:09 PM PST

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      •  It used to be against the law (none)
        here as well.

        So what you're saying is by not paying a union wage, by lowering the wages of those workers - you can cut my taxes - Terri Gross to Grover Norquist

        by The past is over on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 03:50:44 PM PST

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  •  Have also been thinking (none)
    about this -- but too much at one time is too overwhelming to be effective.

    50 months to go - one industry or company each month that we refuse to give our dollars to would be more effective.  In some cases, we will have to live with the least worst of the companies because we cannot go without the product or service.  For example phone service -- all of the CEOs contributed to GWB but some a lot more so than others.  Insurance will be similar (why is Geico the worst?  Warren Buffet is one of the biggest critics of the GOP.)  In many cases it will be a tough call to pick the least worst and this should be an individual choice based on the best information available.

    Not sure why HP makes it on the "good" list.  Carly Fiorina and her husband were contributors to GWB.  Dell should be completely boycotted.

     

    •  Sorry - I should have (none)
      reviewed the lists before posting.  These listings are based only on PAC money.  That is an important element, but we need to look closely at those who run these corporations and their major stockholders.  For example, Micheal Dell and his wife max out on the $2,000 individual contributions to GWB, but they also give tens of thousands of dollars to the RNC.
  •  I have been Boycotting (none)
    General Mills since the sinclair fiasco.
    I have also added to my list Wendys (damnit) because i had seen their big time giving to Reps, especially my local confressman.
    I am now also adding McDonalds.

    I am on a diet anyhow, so I wont miss the junk food one bit.

    Also had a rye smile when i noticed that Hienz was on the list, ROFL.

    •  Heinz (none)
      It is ironic. But keep in mind that the Heinz family sold the company a long time ago. So Teresa Heinz does not have anything to do with the Heinz company anymore.

      Delenda est Sinclair! http://www.dkosopedia.com/index.php/Sinclair_Broadcast_Group

      by mole333 on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 10:47:49 AM PST

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      •  I nkow (none)
        But just funny given all the crap about how rich she is and how heinz out sources all its jobs and the like, turns out it was a complete crock of shit, and the Repugs benefitted more from hienz than Kerry ever did LOL
  •  Tools... (4.00)
    First, if it actually flowers... www.buyblue.org is specifically dedicated to this objective.

    Second, http://www.freenortheast.com/thelist.php ... this provides an easy place to research where to buy and where not to buy.

    Third--and possibly best, I'd check http://www.coopamerica.org/ -- an organization that's existed for years supporting more ethical and responsible businesses.  

    Their site hosts a section on boycotts (how to know what to boycott, and why...) including advisory material on how to organize a boycott.  Hello?  Who's running buyblue.org?  This is a goldmine of information.

    Note this:

    You can learn about the social and environmental records of some of the largest consumer product companies, including whether or not they are the target of a boycott, by visiting Co-op America's Responsible Shopper site at www.responsibleshopper.org

    Supporting green, ethical and responsible business?  I don't think that sounds like the GOP model.  

    There's a search tool for a rante of considerations--but political donations are not one of the choices -- yet.  Maybe Coop American could be persuaded to add one.  But what's there allows you to check on things like worker's rights, antitrust, toxic waste dumping, predatory lending... a veritable litany of the things that progressives generally object to in companies that often support the GOP.

    What we need, in the end, however, is a wallet-sized card that can be printed out that lists the largest and most serious targets of such a boycott.  This would allow people to NOT remember every damned company that needs to be boycotted.  It would be a superb distribution device--hand 'em out; here's who to boycott for starters, there are the URLs to check for further information.

    O it is excellent to have a giant's strength; but it is tyrannous To use it like a giant--Shakespeare, Measure for Measure, Act II

    by ogre on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 08:45:46 AM PST

    •  excellent idea! (none)
      Replay:

      "What we need, in the end, however, is a wallet-sized card that can be printed out that lists the largest and most serious targets of such a boycott.  This would allow people to NOT remember every damned company that needs to be boycotted.  It would be a superb distribution device--hand 'em out; here's who to boycott for starters, there are the URLs to check for further information"

      "I'm a president that stands up against power" George W Bush

      by Joe B on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 01:02:17 PM PST

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      •  Consider them membership cards (none)
        in the VLWC.

        Your dollar is your vote.

        Just as most of the modern cancer cure schemes aim to cause the tumor to either starve--or to cause it to self-destruct--a well crafted boycott can do this, too.

        Take a cue from the enemy. Starve the beast.

        Grover Norquist means to starve us--We The People--into submission, to so burden our government with debt that it can't act.  Heh.  Little does he realize that the long arm of the government will just have to get longer when it comes time to feed it enough to recover from its long starvation.

        In the meantime, we really should be punishing those who feed the real beast, the creature of the shadows that hates the democratic republic, that does not believe in domestic tranquility or the common welfare, and which considers liberty and justice to be entirely optional for those not of the aristocracy.

        Those who do business with those who are dedicated to destroying the republic -- whether literally (this way to the Republic of Gilead...) or just gutting it and inserting something claiming to be the USA, but no longer a nation dedicated to the ideals of Jefferson, Paine and others -- are truly doing business with the enemy.  We ought not do business with them, at all.  There is nothing that gets the attention of corporations like money.

        Refuse them yours... and if enough of us do, they will come to heel.  They'll do whatever they have to do to get business back IF they're hurt badly enough.

        O it is excellent to have a giant's strength; but it is tyrannous To use it like a giant--Shakespeare, Measure for Measure, Act II

        by ogre on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 02:10:47 PM PST

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  •  Even better! (4.00)
    Simply Boycott the Christmas Season (Thanksgiving to New Year).

    Find charitable uses for the money.  

    Buy essentials only, which certainly may include gifts for kids.

    Think of everything that's gone wrong and close your wallet!  Till they "get it."

    After the Seasonal boycott, we can have targeted ones.

    Click my name below for diaries related to the True Blue Christmas!

  •  Shell gas (none)
    I read somewhere else that Shell was okay, just not Exxon-Mobil or BP.  So which is it?
    •  BP (none)
      I thought BP was the green one.
      •  BP (none)
        BP(Amoco)is British-owned. They are heavily-invested in renewable energy. Shell also has renewable investments, having recently purchased Siemens Solar. Single out ExxonMobil above all others, since they are still in denial over global warming and attempting to continue the obfuscation of this issue.
    •  Gas companies (none)
      All are bad, of course, but the WORST in terms of social and environmental record, the highest percentage of donations going to Repubs, AND the most amount of oil bought from the Middle east are:

      Shell, Chevron/Texico, Exxon/Mobil and I think Unocal

      BP is not good but DOES have some alternative and clean energy stuff going and gives somewhat less to the Repubs than the others. Plus they don't buy Middle East oil. So they are better than most.

      Delenda est Sinclair! http://www.dkosopedia.com/index.php/Sinclair_Broadcast_Group

      by mole333 on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 10:46:20 AM PST

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      •  Unocal (none)
        It will be difficult, if not impossible, to have a direct consumer boycott of Unocal.

        Unocal is now only in the exploration and pipeline business.  The old Unocal 76 stations are now owned by ConocoPhilips.  Notice that 76 hasn't used the Unocal name in years.  It's just "76."  Of course ConocoPhilips is on that list...

        •  Hard to keep track of! (none)
          I manage to avoid the whole business by not having a car. We only have to worry about it when we rent. And once we even rented an electric car!

          Delenda est Sinclair! http://www.dkosopedia.com/index.php/Sinclair_Broadcast_Group

          by mole333 on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 06:40:25 PM PST

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  •  This is great (none)
    the only way executives and shareholders will listen is if you hit the companies in their bottom line---we need to promote this
     
  •  personally, (4.00)

    I think it would be much more effective to target Sinclair advertisers.  Why?

    First, companies that are "Republican contributors" don't actually give money to Republicans. It's the employees that give money to Republicans, and the company can't legally tell the employees to stop.  So putting pressure on one of these companies doesn't necessarily give them the power to change their ways.  If they feel like they couldn't stop supporting Republicans even if they wanted to, they'll ignore the boycott.

    Second, I believe that the threat from conservative media networks is much greater than the threat of a campaign contribution.  So proctor and gamble gave Bush $100,000.  Okay, but Sinclair gives a free half-hour advertisement to the Bush administration every night: they call it the "nightly news."  That's worth a hell of a lot more than $100,000.  I'd much rather see Sinclair die than, say, Seven-Eleven.

    Third, it's important to ask: how hard is it for companies to comply with us?  If we ask them to do something easy, they're more likely to do it.  If we ask them to do the impossible, they're less likely.  Asking companies to stop their employees from giving to Bush is impossible.  Asking them to pull their ads from Sinclair is quite feasible.

    •  Truth is (none)
      I noticed a strong overlap between the Sinclair boycott list and this one. We could do a fair amount targeting those Sinclair advertisers who also send most of their PAC money to the Repubs. Almost all of them would fit the bill except Progressive and maybe one or two others.

      Also interestingly I noticed that the gas station companies that give the highest percentages to Repubs are also those companies that import Mideast oil. The companies that don't import Mideast oil still favor the Repubs but by nowhere near the same amount.

      So if you focus on Sinclair advertisers and oil companies that import Mideast oil, you are probably targeting many of the Repub donors.

      Delenda est Sinclair! http://www.dkosopedia.com/index.php/Sinclair_Broadcast_Group

      by mole333 on Sun Nov 21, 2004 at 05:26:05 AM PST

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  •  What about pickets? (none)
    It's one thing for us to boycott, but word needs to spread beyond the blogosphere to have impact. Especially during the upcoming holiday buying season, how about some picketting, with handbills explaining why?
  •  If you live in NYC - Chelsea Piers (none)
    In the NYTimes last week - the owner of Chelsea Piers, the recreational facility on the Hudson River at 23rd St, is a big Bush supporter and has been tapped to organize the Bush Inaugural this year.

    So if you are in NYC - there are OTHER places to ice skate, play golf, work out, have birthday parties . . .

    •  Sears (none)
      Merging with K Mart.  Quote by Sears CEO, "there are four or five more intelligent, driven workers in China than there are here."  or similar, BIG proponent of outsourcing jobs.  Shouldn't that be a consideration?  Choosing local/non chain stores wherever possible always helps.  Or corporations with employee friendly policies, a rapidly dwindling group, though.
    •  if you live in NYC, move (none)
      If you live in NYC, move. NYC hosted the Republican National Convention this year.  They made money off Bush and the Republicans. You really shouldn't live there.
      •  No way (none)
        do I have any reason to move, because the Republicans stormed into our city.
        Most of them had a pretty bad time due to daily, numerous protests. I am proud to have done my part
        •  fold the money (none)
          Don't forget to fold the money before you put it in your pocket.  

          Look, I'm just saying everything is interrelated. You want to boycott a company for giving money to the Republicans, go ahead. But the Republicans spent a lot of money in your city this summer. You folks made money off them.  If you get into the "whose hands are cleaner" game, you better have clean hands.  

          •  Only a few made money (none)
            Because of the huge security apparatus, lots of stores and restaurants, especially in the area around Madison Square Garden, had hardly any business that week.  Traffic into Manhattan was held way down, major cross-streets and avenues were shut down to normal traffic, or four lanes reduced to two so cops could speed around in hordes, by car and motorcycle. Trucks had to make deliveries in the middle of the night, the central post office was shut down for a week, all those workers had the week off.   LOTS of people deliberately took vacation, cleared out of town, didn't schedule any meetings or visits, avoided mid-town so as not to get caught up in any goings-on.  Manhattan was NOT its normal self, it was horrible.  Sure, some venues that hosted functions made out - but how many delegates were there, and how large is the population of NYC?  
               I believe it COST the city money to have the RNC here - and Bloomberg put in $5 mill of his own money to pull it off.
  •  Fantastic! I love you meme. (none)
    Two comments:

    1)The meme takes root I think a file (maybe one for each state or geographic area) needs to be created that both lists the boycotted companies and the acceptable alternatives for each organized in terms of prioritized catagories according to the such as : Grocers, Food Producers, Gas Stations, Toy store and makers , Drug Companies, Insurance Companies Pharmacies.

    2) Promote the meme in terms of a special Xmas Season Gift Buying Boycott that way certain companies would get the hint right away. The end of a Xmas Boycott would lead right into the If You Only Make One New Year's Resolution in 2005: Let It Be  To Boycott These Companies- Followed by the  meme/list.

  •  further ideas on boycotting (3.50)
    I have made a personal list of companies to boycott and sent out emails to all my email list urging boycotting. I would like to make a suggestion to all you readers on how we can take this further though. I just read a piece by Paul Rockwell in CommonDreams about boycotting. Apparently it is starting to take place in europe and other countries. American goods are being boycotted and it is  very effective. Boycotts need to be  organized, though, otherwise they tend to fizzle out. How can we help get them organized? First, if you haven't already check out Indymedia.org. Secondly, send an email to all the organizations that you can promoting an organized boycott of certain companies (Wal Mart would be a good first). If groups such as Moveon and ACT and codepinkalert were to organize and advertise boycotts it would be much more effective then just piecemeal boycotts that we're all starting to do. One other thing I am doing:-I will start to organize "girl's nights out" where taking action and promoting that action is the theme. I will have a once a month wine and cheese get together at my house with like minded, but maybe less active women. I'll promote my get togethers as a place to meet new people have some fun and learn about what you can do to help change events. I'll print up articles and hand them out, and start promoting boycotting as the 21 century "civil disobedience" of choice. What do you think? Can you help get these boycotts more organized and widespread?

    it's the corporations, stupid!

    by Pier1 on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 10:09:15 AM PST

  •  This is a great idea. (none)
    This is something we can all do.  There would also be a big impact if we all get together and start an email or letter writing campaign and tell these people we won't be doing any business with their companies until Bush's policies change or we have a fair election or words to this effect.  I already sent one to Citizens Bank and Circuit City, who won't want to hear this at Christmas time.  Emails from right wing nuts are beginning to change what we will see on television and what we hear on radio.  We have 56 million voters on our side.  We just have to corral this big group of voters and use it to push our agenda.
  •  asfd (none)
    how about getting these 527's to go after these red companies by taking out ads on tv to get the blue masses involved?

    and how about distributing this list internationally.  i'm sure most of these companies are mutli-nation companies so a boycott abroad might be effective as well.

    my 2 cents.

    •  It might have the Opposite Effect (none)
      If there is an ad running telling people to boycott Red companies, it probably would send all the Red people to buy from those companies.  And they seem to be a lot of people.  Better to keep it internal (like the Repubs do) until we convert those people to Blue.
    •  Pension funds & other ideas (none)
      Are funds like Calpers allowed to consider domestic policies in their investment decisions? (How does that affect their fiduciary duties?)  The way to really affect these companies is at the institutional level -- whoever their big investors, suppliers, vendors, etc are.  (eg, CVS and their pharmacists -- if the institutional investors pull out, they're toast.)  Unions also need to start screaming -- they have a critical mass (well, kindof), and should be willing to help get their members on board.  Finally, there are social responsibility funds that should provide a good starting point for id'ing companies that we would want to support (check out the website http://www.socialfunds.com for more details).

      This is energizing!

      •  Fiduciary Responsibility (none)
        The fund managers have a duty to maximize returns for the pension fund.  If they are invested in a company's whose stock value starts to decline because of a boycott (as Sinclair's did)then they would be inclined either to dump the stock or to tell the company to stop taking the action that are detrimental to the bottom line.  
  •  I posted a long diary.... (none)
    ....on this topic last week.  It includes numerous resources for the ethical consumer, the website with the top 25 list of Republican donors and a list of my ideas how we can stop letting our hard earned money work against our political beliefs, our communities, our country and our Constitution.  If you're interested in this subject, please consider sending the link to my diary to your e-mail list.  Even 50 Kossaks sending out the link could mean exponential growth in the number of eyes who see it and think about the possibilities of growing a movement.  Here's the link:

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/17/161838/40

    Cheers!

    The conservative definition of "right-sized" government: Somewhere between big enough to fit in a corporate boardroom and small enough to fit in a womb.

    by cls180 on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 10:34:46 AM PST

  •  I just posted a diary... (none)
    Sorry folks, I didn't immediatly see this diary. Should have included my diary as part of this one.

    I wanted to point out that those who, during the Sinclair boycott, said we shouldn't target Geico because they are Dem friendly are wrong. On the website covering Repub contributers, it lists Geico as giving more than 90% of its political contributions to Repubs.

    Sinclair advertiser and Repub contributer. I say we nail them. Boycott and write them:

    http://www.geico.com

    My family has mainly been targeting General Mills because we used to buy lots of their products. Now we don't. General Mills is also a Sinclair advertiser and heavy contributer to Repubs.

    Another thing I added to my diary that I should plug here is that there is a good site for comparing companies:

    http://www.responsibleshopper.org/

    Combine the Sinclair boycott list with the Repub donor list, find the companies you hate most, then find alternatives using responsibleshopper.org. And don't forget to write the companies you are boycotting!

    Delenda est Sinclair! http://www.dkosopedia.com/index.php/Sinclair_Broadcast_Group

    by mole333 on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 10:41:38 AM PST

  •  Boycott list (none)
    I appreciate this diary and the list - I found a couple of corporations on there that I do business with - but in the future, I will boycott.
  •  Dell Computers (4.00)
    How many of you are typing your messages on a Dell keyboard? Unfortunately, I am, but my new laptop is a Sony.

    Dell is a major contributor to Bush and the GOP. When I discovered that I called their sales department and asked to removed from their mailing list because of their devotion to the Repugs. The sales person I talked to sounded surprised to learn that Dell supported Bush.

    Then I wrote a letter to Dell headquarters with the same complaint.

    I did a web search and found that Sony has donated primarily to Democrats so my newest computer is a Sony.

    DON'T BUY DELL COMPUTERS!

    www.rof.com Fighting the relgious right for more than a decade.

    by fishwars on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 11:36:13 AM PST

  •  We need to be careful... (none)
    Not to post a pro-blue list because of GOP copycat boycotting.
    We should only have a list of places to boycott so that we can somewhat protect the good more liberal friendly businesses.

    We all know how crazy those right-wingers are and they're a lot meaner than we are...
    Sharon

  •  Dollar General Not On List (none)
    The retailer Dollar General is not on the list. However it's Executives are BIG Bush supporters. I find it sort of sick that the typical customer that shops at Dollar General is mainly at or below poverty (this is one of a few general retailers that advertises that it takes Food Stamps), who then pay the wages of these executives that in turn give money to Bush who in turns keeps those customers in poverty.

    That I teach a class at a local literacy program for adults, I brought this up. Needless to say, my 10 students were not happy about this and vowed to stop shopping at Dollar General. By the next class, my students had each told atleast 3 other people, so as far as I know I personally probably eliminated 40 of this company's customers. Hey atleast it is a start!!

  •  Thanks for the list (none)
    I think boycotting is a great idea. I like to know who my corporations are giving their money to.

    But regarding Dell and the GOP - how depressing. (She says as she types on a Dell laptop).

    As for Wal-mart - I remember hearing that right before the election, Wal-mart decided to broadcast Fox News in its stores so shoppers could get the latest election info. Interesting choice of cable news networks. I'll be buying my Harry Potter DVD elsewhere next week.

  •  Anybody know about Lowes hardware? (none)
    It looks like my money isn't going to Home Depot anymore.  What about Lowes?  Does anyone know who/how much Lowes contributed to campaigns?
    •  Doesn't matter (none)
      It doesn't matter what Lowes' corporate record is. They sell lumber, which means they cut down trees.  They are evil, and must be destroyed.
    •  Lowe's alas... (none)
      is better as far as labor practices--but as bad, or worse, in regards to funding Bushco.

      Boycott.

      I am.  Which is a real PITA for me, since they're close, convenient....

      But so it goes.

      O it is excellent to have a giant's strength; but it is tyrannous To use it like a giant--Shakespeare, Measure for Measure, Act II

      by ogre on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 02:16:33 PM PST

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  •  Here's another good site for reference (none)
    http://www.followyourmoney.com/

    There's a search function to look up any company you want.

    Note: the Top Givers they list refers to absolute money given, not proportionality. Sadly, of the top ten Democratic donors, 8 give more money to Repoblicans...

  •  YOU ARE A MORON (1.33)
    This is just going to piss people off.

    Corporations are entitled to give to their party of choice.

    We didn't lose because corporations gave money
    to Bush.  We raised plenty of money.

    We lost because the Republicans are savvy
    in publicity and mass communication.  
    Our TV advertising was amateurish and scattershot.

    Working people voted for Bush because we failed
    to reach them effectively.

    A campaign against companies should be initiated if they are actively doing something bad - not for exercising their right to support their party of choice.

    Or if there is evidence that the Republican majority is out to hurt blue companies.

    That being said, Fox News has no qualms about pointing out which companies are republican.

     They obviously do this to get their viewers to patronize these companies.  But of course they don't say that.

    There's nothing wrong with letting people know which companies are blue and which are red.  

    But an all-out boycott should only be for legitimate reasons.

    A boycott against Sinclair advertisers because Sinclair lied and played fast and dirty would make sense.

    So would boycotting companies that have an enormous stronghold on our media. (GE controls Universal pictures, NBC, MSNBC, USA, & CNBC)

    But if we launch a full boycott because of party affiliation, we can count on the Repugs coming back at us tenfold.

    I have both republican clients and democrat clients -
    and they are all great business people and nice to work with.

    So this kind of thing hurts my business relations.
    And that really pisses me off.

    •  ah "boycott" (none)
      Such an ugly word, n'est-ce pas?  But I'm sure you would agree that as a consumer, I have the right to spend my money where I wish, and that I also have the right to tell my buddies about corporate interests that are supporting a reactionary agenda with which I have nothing in common?
    •  Fuck 'em. (none)
      (he said, channeling MaryScott)

      Piss 'em off?  Hell yes.  Good.

      No.  Corporations are NOT entitled to donate.  In fact, federal law banned it almost a century ago.  

      They do so, however, by having claimed that they have the same rights as human beings, and thus can donate to anyone they please.

      And -- so far -- government has rolled over and begged.

      Guess what?  There are MORE Democrats.  Which means that as long as many of them--and like-minded folks--boycott, a counter-boycott won't hurt (as much) as a boycott by the left.

      Guess what?  It's a long-standing American tradition.  There's a REASON that tea remained a drink that was consumed by very few, for a very long time, in the USA.  The Boston Tea Party was only the most aggressive rejection of that product--there was a huge, widespread boycott of tea in the colonies.

      Let those who have supported Bush suffer the consequences.

      So, in closing, I repeat... Fuck 'em.

      O it is excellent to have a giant's strength; but it is tyrannous To use it like a giant--Shakespeare, Measure for Measure, Act II

      by ogre on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 02:22:45 PM PST

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    •  The 2 is for the extremely rude subject line. (none)
      If I could rate the body separately (ignoring the last two lines and the fact that there are way too many paragraphs) it would be a 4.
    •  Mutually Assured Destruction (none)
      sounds good to me.  Think about it.  We have Costco and Ben & Jerrys.  They have.. well, just about every other big company.  Who has more to lose through boycotts?
    •  The 2 (none)
      -is for the derogation in the subject line.

      Europeans are to Americans what Greeks were to Romans. Educated slaves. - Luigi Barzini

      by Sirocco on Sun Nov 21, 2004 at 12:26:01 AM PST

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  •  Why boycotts are generally bad (none)
    Imagine you boycott a company because its corporate execs gave money to Bush.  Let's pick an easy company to boycott -- Diebold.  Now, you don't buy touch-screen voting machines, but I bet every one of you uses an ATM. Diebold makes ATMs.  

    OK, so we are going to boycott ATMs made by Diebold.  First of all, this will hurt Diebold Corporation (we'll just assume this, for sake of argument).  What does that mean?  Sales are off, profits are down.  Diebold execs have to take action. SO...they have to lay off employees. Perhaps shut down an entire division or manufacturing plant.  Hundreds, maybe thousands of employees lose their jobs and benefits. Serves them right, because their erstwhile bosses gave to Bush.  Fuck 'em.  

    Uh oh, problem here. Those employees...they might not have given to Bush. Some of them might have given to Kerry. Indeed, they might have voted for Kerry.  They might be Democrats. But fuck 'em anyway, for working for Diebold.  Have they no integrity, no sense of shame????

    And let's not forget those banks, the banks that buy Diebold ATMs.  They're going to suffer too, but hey, I'm sure their execs gave money to Bush. So fuck them too. And fuck their employees, because some of them are going to have to lose their jobs too. After all, if you aren't using the ATM, that means you are going in to use the teller. That raises the bank's costs.  The bank is less profitable.  They have to cut somewhere.  Lay off the janitorial staff, maybe, or someone in the clearinghouse operation.  Fuck 'em, for working for a bank that (a) gave money to Bush, and (b) bought from Diebold.

    So be careful with your boycotts -- the people who get hurt usually are NOT the people who you want to hurt. They are just working stiffs like you or me, trying to pay the rent, put food on the table, raise a family.

    •  That's just plain (none)
      wimpy democratic thinking.  Look at what NAACP did in South Carolina with their boycott.  Did it effect black people in South Carolina who worked there?

      Of course - but it worked didn't it.

      Republicans would not hesitate for second.  They're cut throat.

      A little patience and we shall see the reign of witches pass over, their spells dissolve, and the people, recovering their true sight, restore their government.

      by maddrailin on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 01:53:55 PM PST

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      •  I'm just saying consider the consequences (none)
        I'm just saying consider the consequences of your actions. Who are you really targeting? Who gets hurt? Is this the most effective way to achieve your goals?

        I have no idea what happened in S. Carolina -- who the NAACP was boycotting and why.  Perhaps you could provide more details?

        •  they boycotted the state (none)
          because they were flying the confederate flag over the state house.  It's no longer flying over the state house.

          A little patience and we shall see the reign of witches pass over, their spells dissolve, and the people, recovering their true sight, restore their government.

          by maddrailin on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 01:59:19 PM PST

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          •  How? (none)
            That's a different situation than boycotting a for-profit business.  Businesses have a lot more freedom to lay off workers, and can act a lot faster than a state bureaucracy.

            Also, I'm sure there were other forces at work to change the S. Carolina flag position.  

            So before you begin your boycott, go to the company you are boycotting and tell a few of the employees, including the lower-paid ones, what you are doing and why.  Ask them if they are OK with that.  Don't be a wimp -- be very upfront about it.

            •  It's the same thing (none)
              they were basically telling all black people not to go to south carolina - don't travel there - don't buy there.  By boycotting the state - they effectively boycotted every single business.

              Even the democrats avoided staying in hotels in SC during the primaries because of this boycott.

              A little patience and we shall see the reign of witches pass over, their spells dissolve, and the people, recovering their true sight, restore their government.

              by maddrailin on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 02:09:52 PM PST

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              •  Indirect (none)
                That's more of an indirect boycott, but the impact still hurts lots of people. For example, after the dotcom bust and 9/11, tourism and travel to San Francisco was way off. It still hasn't rebounded. Lots of businesses had to close, and thousands of people lost their jobs.

                That's why I say, if you are going to boycott a business, you should go up to the employees of that business and tell them what you are doing. Stand by your convictions, and let them know that you are so incensed over their CEO's contributions to Bush that you are willing to sacrifice their job for it!

                •  But - (none)
                  i'm not calling for a boycott of a particular red company.

                  I think they should all be boycotted.

                  I'm saying it's time for liberals to begin shopping smart over the course of their lifetime, because the money they are are spending in many cases is going into the pockets of the very candidates they are attempting to unseat.

                  Do you think the right wing christians would hesitate for a second in doing something like this?

                  Ask em - they boycotted disney because of gay days.

                  A little patience and we shall see the reign of witches pass over, their spells dissolve, and the people, recovering their true sight, restore their government.

                  by maddrailin on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 02:31:10 PM PST

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                  •  my preference (none)
                    My preference is that if you are going to boycott a company, boycott that company because of the way it operates, treats its employees, etc., rather than because its execs give to Republicans.  I think it makes far more sense to boycott Wal-Mart because of its awful trade practices.  
                    •  as i said in another post (none)
                      What is wrong with me choosing not to buy from company A who has 300 employees and gives heavily to republicans -

                      and instead replacing what I would buy from that company with a product from company B who has 300 employees and does not contribute heavily to repubs?

                      I'm still supporting working america - my money is just going where I would much rather see it go.

                      A little patience and we shall see the reign of witches pass over, their spells dissolve, and the people, recovering their true sight, restore their government.

                      by maddrailin on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 11:04:31 PM PST

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              •  This has all the logic (none)
                Of saying we should worry about Raytheon employees losing their jobs if suddenly missiles are no longer needed.

                -doug

    •  Given the price (none)
      of not doing anything to hurt companies that are hurting US, it really doesn't begin to rate.

      Tough.  Find a different job.  Create one.  I've worked for some of the corporations that I now wholeheartedly support boycotting.  I personally know people who might be innocent bystander victims.

      Sad.  

      Too bad.

      Life's a bitch.

      I'm more concerned with saving their country than I am with the integrity of their comfortable lifestyle.  Or mine.

      O it is excellent to have a giant's strength; but it is tyrannous To use it like a giant--Shakespeare, Measure for Measure, Act II

      by ogre on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 02:31:02 PM PST

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      •  sounds like...sounds like... (none)
        "Tough.  Find a different job.  Create one.  I've worked for some of the corporations that I now wholeheartedly support boycotting.  I personally know people who might be innocent bystander victims.

        Sad.  

        Too bad.

        Life's a bitch."

        Sounds pretty heartless. Someone might mistake you for a Republican around here.

        •  I'd say the same thing (none)
          were I still working for one of those corporations.

          In fact, having decided to take the step of not buying from such businesses is what lead me to stop accepting employment from them, too.

          I've been mistaken for a Republican in person (the people around me laughed hysterically, since I'm one of the more liberal folks in a very liberal community...).  Being mistaken for one here is hardly going to upset me.  Boo-hoo.

          You can't use the excuse that something bad shouldn't be opposed because some decent people might be hurt too.  That simply encourages the bastards to take hostages, and use people as hostages.

          O it is excellent to have a giant's strength; but it is tyrannous To use it like a giant--Shakespeare, Measure for Measure, Act II

          by ogre on Sun Nov 21, 2004 at 02:54:19 PM PST

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    •  Iraq has been good for Halliburton's workers. (4.00)
      Still, we protest.

      More importantly, a boycott is not simply a withdrawal of capital from one corporation, it is a shift of capital to its competitors, who will benefit along with their employees.  Theoretically, at least, they would (would in fact need to) absorb those workers let go by the companies hurt by the boycott.  

      More importantly still, an effective boycott will force the targeted companies to change the behavior that led to the boycott in the first place.  That's why boycotts are effective, but only when they are organized and widespread.  

      •  Exactly (none)
        given to choice between company A that employs 300 people and donates heavily to replubicans and company B that does not - I'd much rather give my money to company B.

        That's the whole jist of it

        A little patience and we shall see the reign of witches pass over, their spells dissolve, and the people, recovering their true sight, restore their government.

        by maddrailin on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 03:39:15 PM PST

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    •  and then.. (none)
      Diebold's less red competitors find their business picking up.  They need new workers.  Net job loss minus creation = 0.  

      That's assuming that it goes so far as to seriously hurt Diebold's business in the first place.  It's more likely that Diebold's executives, if they are pragmatic businessmen and not (first and foremost) drooling wingnuts, would cave in long before that happens.  Profits come first, not people, even when the people in question happen to be Tom DeLay and GW Bush.

    •  Diebold layoffs (none)
      ... can go to work for comepetitors.  

      I work in health insurance, and will gladly find other work if/when we get single-payor or national health coverage.

  •  Here's what we've already begun to do, (none)
    *Shop only at the local co-op (and we've joined, too), and Farmers Markets for produce and any other grocery item.

    *Shop only at Costco for more groceries as well as household hardware (better than Home Depot, another major GOP contributor), home office (Staples is closer to us, but they're also GOP contributors), etc.

    *Shop only at local retail/boutiques and gift stores

    *Shop only at local art/craft supplies (I'm an artist).

    *We're starting not just one, but two gardens (become more self-sufficient)

    *Shop "extras" like cosmetics via, www.idealsworks.com

    *We very rarely ever use canned or boxed "stuff" in our cooking.  My sig other is a Chef and we're both Asian decent (he Japanese, me Chinese), and we maintain a good amount of perishibles around.  We also shop at the local Asian markets.

    *Buy our meat from local beef, pork, lamb, poultry growers ONLY now.  (But we will buy from Costco occasionally)

    Sure, a lot of this may be a bit more spendy in the end.  But it's sooo much more worth it.  In so many ways.

    Boycott!  Do it!!!!  Start Now!!!!!  Shop Local!!!!

    Try not to become a man of success but rather try to become a man of value. - Albert Einstein

    by smugbug on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 01:52:51 PM PST

    •  Another obvious (none)
      alternative to Home Depot; which I forgot to mention, is the local hardware stores.

      There's one in town that we've begun to frequent quite a bit for the usual nails, etc. (we're on the road to small home improvement stuff).

      Again, a bit more expensive.  But so what?  

      Also, here in Corvallis there's a push for a Home Depot to be built.  Right behind a huge Safeway, K-Mart and Staples.  Scary.

      Try not to become a man of success but rather try to become a man of value. - Albert Einstein

      by smugbug on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 01:55:48 PM PST

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    •  Hear hear! (none)
      I wholly agree that supporting the local economy is the way to go.  I try to put my money in the hands of small business owners whenever possible.  

      Speaking of groceries, one of the main things I appreciate about Whole Foods is that they let me know where my produce comes from.  So, whenever possible, I choose produce that is from New England (where I live) and organic.  By doing this, I only eat what is local and in season, and this has really changed my cooking habits for the better.  I've been eating a lot of native squash and leafy green vegetables this fall, and they're really delicious!

  •  Heinz? The Worst of the Bunch? (none)
    Really, really find that hard to believe. Let me put on my silver aluminum cone hat. Kerry is a repub operative in secret communion with the bushies, and he has convinced Teresa to use her money.
  •  Wow (none)
    All I can say is, I've been working on mouth-to-mouth for the new blog on http://www.freenortheast.com and didn't expect an alligator-sized thread speaking directly to what I've been working on this week,

    First off, boycott is the wrong term, absolutely.  Do not frame any of this as a boycott - that is expected by corporations and they won't blink because boycotts fail.  Think of it as a campaign of attrition, responsible consumerism.

    I've got over 3000 brands in our database now, and based on this thread will try to track down more of them mentioned here.

    Point by point.  Several people have said about various companies, they do good works, they treat their employees well, etc.  That really boils down to buying into their BS.  Companies do good things simply to make themselves look better.  In my blog post, I mention that they feed dolphins and orphans to distract from bad Q4 numbers or the NYTimes article coming out about them dumping toxic waste into the Hudson.  They treat their employees well for the same reason they pay them well: to attract a better candidate who can make them lots more money.

    From our blog, my post sums this up:


      Ever see "The Firm?"  That's exactly what happens.  Businesses give wonderful packages, and then the next thing an employee knows Wilford Brimley is on their ass trying to "check their blood sugar and check it often."

    Heinz is a classic example of non-denial denial.  They have a statement I linked earlier saying they're non-partisan, when the three-cycle record is strongly pro-Republican.  Neither Theresa Heinz nor John Kerry according to this release is involved in or significantly owns any part of them.

    BP is probably the best, if my memory serves, of the gas companies.  That's not saying much, and it's probably because they are not an American company at the top, so corporate has to contend with tighter EU rules as a matter of course.

    Grocery stores, we have a huge list at http://www.freenortheast.com/ - searchable, also.  I'd recommend in honesty a local food co-op, though, links coming.

    Sinclair will be in our database soon enough, I'm still recovering from entering all of Clear Channel's blue state stations.

    I'll check up on Dollar General.  Please, please, I need everyone's help here: go to http://www.freenortheast.com/search.php and type in all the brands you can think of.  If one is missing, e-mail info@freenortheast.com and I will track it down.  The more data, the better.

    thanks!
    -doug

    •  Thanks again (none)
      great work, use your site daily
    •  After reading more, (none)
      I have come to the conclusion that I will not in any way support this idea.  I was pretty much decided when you accused me of buying into Target's bullshit -- so I will continue to recommend that friends and family  shop at stores that have the best records for environment, employee treatment, charitable donations, etc.
      •  Your decision (none)
        If you are convinced that $500 to Greenpeace outweighs $500,000 to the RNC, go ahead.  ANWR will be thrilled...
        •  What the hell are you talking about? (none)
          I am not talking about some token donation to Greenpeace.  Target donates over $2 million a week to schools and charities across the country.  In 2000 they donated $111,000 and change to republicans, according to opensecrets.com.  Hmmm,   $104 million a year to charities and schools, $111,000 to politics.  Easy call there.  

          I realize this is important to you, and you are putting alot of effort into this.  I would like to see this as an organized effort toward the worst companies, rather than slamming some of these companies that are on the good side.  

           

          •  Mark Dayton (none)
            the most progessive senator, is a member of the family that founded Target and the Dayton Hudson Corp.  Dayton Hudson has been sold off but the Dayton family still owns a significant amount of the Target Corp.

            "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."   --  Margaret Mead

            by gloever on Sun Nov 21, 2004 at 05:33:47 PM PST

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  •  You may want to rethink your ketchup choice (none)
    Hunt's is owned by none other than ConAgra . . .
  •  If this became widespread. . . (none)
    It would be an incredibly effective political weapon.  Boycotts have historically been one of the most effective tools of political protest and civil disobedience by a minority group.  Think U.S. Civil Rights and South African anti-apartheid movements.  In this case we are talking a "minority" of 48%, 57 million.  Just think of the possibilities.
  •  The rest of the world is already boycotting . . (none)
     . . . US companies.

    For example - in Turkey, Coke and Pepsi were always #1 and #2, the Turkish cola company was a distant 3rd.
              But since Iraq, the situation has reversed.  The Turkish co. has launched a big ad campaign urging people to buy Turkish, support the native cola - even with ads featuring Chevy Chase I think - and it's now #1, Coke and Pepsi a distant #2 and #3.    Check out Coke's most recent earnings report too - I think they are down overseas.

    •  It's my money (none)
      and I will spend it as I wish.  To date, I have stopped watching television and cancelled my Time Warner Cable (savings = $52.76/month), I no longer buy the Sunday NYTimes (savings = $14/month) and I finally got rid of AOHell (net savings = $2/month, but satisfaction from doing this is immeasurable).  Time Warner is responsible for CNN and as long as they allow it to sink into the abyss, they are losing about $1,000/year from me.  Which is just a way of remembering that we should not overlook media companies in a boycott effort.  
  •  Boycott list / boycott target research (none)
    Timbuk3 has it
    http://timbuk3.com

    I've been getting a lot of questions about boycotting companies that fund the former Republican party (you know, the party that was recently taken over by the Militant Christian Right?), so consider this an attempt to answer them.

    Please understand that this is a work in progress, and as people send me information I'll be updating these things often. Note that there are comments links on every page. Please make suggestions, or just let everyone know you're participating. There IS strength in numbers.

    Hopefully, it will be useful to some of you... to hold our heads high and use our economic clout to make the point, loud and clear, that we are NOT an insignificant "fringe group" in America.

    http://timbuk3.com/Do.htm
    On this page there is a FAQ with answers to some of the specific questions that have been raised regarding where best to spend our money. I should caution you that the long list of "good" and "bad companies was lifted pretty much verbatum from a web posting and may change as more accurate information comes it.

    http://timbuk3.com/faq.htm A couple of things you can do are so obvious that it bears repeating, here. BUY YOUR GAS AT CITGO! Here is the store locator: http://www.citgo.com/CITGOLocator/StoreLocator.jsp  If you just can't find a Citgo anywhere nearby, the "least evil" oil company is Shell. Look for one of those. They have a store locator, too. http://www.shell.com/home/Framework?siteId=home&FC2=/html/iwgen/shell_for_motorists/station_loca tor/zzz_lhn.html&FC3=/html/iwgen/shell_for_motorists/station_locator/station_locators.html

    Budweiser and Coors qualify as top 25 most evil companies. If you want to drink beer, why don't you try a nice imported German beer? They taste better, and they're not really any more expensive. And if you'r addicted to cigarettes (no shame in that, I am) try switching to one of the Ligget "generic" brands like USA or Pyramid. They're cheaper, and smoking isn't "cool" anymore, anyway. Ask yourself why you have such loyalty to Marlboro, when they have no loyalty to you

    There are simply too many potential targets, and many corporations are far too diversified for any "list" to be complete. You'll need to investigate yourself, sometimes, and you need resources to do that. This page is filled with direct links to data sources and like-minded groups. http://timbuk3.com/fundlinks.htm

    Finally, with the Christmas season upon us, there is a page designed to present and accept ideas for how to have a Merry Christmas without supporting people who, by way of who they fund and what legislation they are pushing, have proven that they basically hate us. http://timbuk3.com/xmas04.htm

    Two EASY choices that shouldn't be overlooked: If you have to ship a package, ship it by US Mail. UPS and FEDEX are NOT our friends. If you're wondering about the "vigilance, perseverance, & justice" line in the header, it's what the blue in the Great Seal of the United States stands for. http://www.usflag.org/colors.html

    Although it's probably not accurate, this description of what the colors in the flag stand for is ironic. http://www.county.allegheny.pa.us/veterans/colors.asp

    And last but not least... Propogation by email will get this going faster than anything. PLEASE feel free to forward this far and wide. Thank you for your support of America.

    "Timb"

    U.S.S Fundie Empire - (die)Boldly going where no one has gone before... in the last 500 years

    by lawnorder on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 03:42:23 PM PST

  •  Fellow warriors against the red tide... (none)
    Why don't we see if we can form a united front here?  Between all of us it would seem we have the tools, talent and time to wage a successful campaign and get as many people involved.  Drop me an e-mail.

    info@freethenortheast.com

    -doug

  •  Bye, bye JC Penney. (none)
    I'll be cutting up my JC Penney card and sending it back to them. Most of my clothes have come from them.

    Scorn and defiance; slight regard, contempt...

    by thinkdouble on Sat Nov 20, 2004 at 04:48:23 PM PST

  •  Forget about the others... (4.00)
    ...nail WAL-MART.

    Two bulls were on a bluff overlooking a herd of milk cows. The young bull said to the old bull: "Whaddya say we run down the hill and bang one of those cows?"

    The old bull snorted and said, "Sonny, why don't we just walk down the hill and bang 'em all."

    Advising millions of people, much less expecting them, to boycott a huge list of companies is absurd. Why not focus all of our energy on taking down one company at the very heart of our nation's pathetic race to the bottom and, in doing so, send the rest of the companies on your list into an utter panic. There is no company more responsible for lowering the standard of living of the average American than Wal-Mart.

    I defy anyone to prove otherwise, and I'd like to hear a counter-argument to the idea that taking down a giant first wouldn't soften each successive target.

    Accomplish that, and you don't even need to worry about who's red and who's blue!

  •  let's hope the republicans retaliate!!! (none)
    I think this is just BRILLIANT. If we can pull this off
    (I just forwarded the web page to 20 people) and get this
    to actually affect sales, and garner some media attention, that would be terrific.

    Imagine what would happen if the Rethuglicans were to get
    enraged and retaliate against the Democratic contributors. Corporations as a whole would get gunshy of contributing
    to political parties! why risk getting the blues and reds mad
    at them? and thus they will lose influence. Sweet.

    If the Rethuglicans decide not to retaliate, mbahahahaha.

    I can't think of anything better happening to American
    Democracy.

    •  I'm with this combined with.... (none)
       ....alysheba's (start with WalMart only).

      Most fundamentally, the problem is excessive corporate power, from corporate personhood.

      If corporations aren't able to exert power through the Republican Party, they'll just switch to exerting more through the Democratic Party.

      So imho (in my humble opinion), the focus should be on corporate power, not what party it currently happens to be most exercised through.

  •  Hey, Moron (none)
    Adobe is on your best list?

    Do you know that your heros sponsored an extreme right wing
    show on MSNBC last spring?   Both the moderators AND the guests were republican and were bashing all of the dem candidates.

    They only pulled out after customers watched the show and complained repeatedly.

    By your reasoning we should all buy Microsoft which is the industry mafia - and doing everything it can to destroy its competitors and become a monopoloy.
    And we should boycott Apple.  For years Apple has been fighting against Microsoft's attempt at corporate monopoly.

    And your hero Adobe is in tight with Microsoft, doing all sorts of crud things to hurt Apple.

    Folks, this guy Ikignfuck is either a big time troll or a bigtime idiot.

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