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Im just wondering.. I am so confused about this Ukraine thing with the election. I know that their election may have, and likely was, stolen, and their citizens are acting the way Americans should have acted in 2000.

But what candidate is good? I mean what candidate better reflects our views? The one who is right now the "opposition leader", or the one who was elected.;

Whoever our guy is, whoever got the most votes deserves the spot.
Hey, maybe soon Ukraine will join the US and Iran on the "unfair election list"

Originally posted to weathercoins on Wed Nov 24, 2004 at 08:13 PM PST.

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  •  If I could field that question..... (none)
    In a word: Yushenko.

    Sorry, big fan and former resident of Ukraine here.

    If you substitute the names (Howard Dean) as (Yushenko) and (Tom Delay) as Yanukovich, you would pretty much get the picture here.

    The Book of Revelations is not a foreign policy manual.

    by Dont Just Stand There on Wed Nov 24, 2004 at 08:20:23 PM PST

    •  Howard Dean's good (none)
      but Delay doesn't go nearly far enough to desribe Yanukovich --- there's simply no comparison in American politics; after all, Yanukovich is funded/supported by Putin -- we don't have foreign interference here --it's against our national sovereingty and election laws.

      If Yanukovich does win this -- as a 1st Gen Uke, I'm praying he doesn't -- he'll be Putin's puppet -- again, not applicable to our politics.

      •  I forgot to ask (none)
        where did you live in Ukraine??

        I've been to Kiev, and in western Ukr., my mom's hometown, Lviv; Dad's Ternopil, and a few smaller towns.

        •  True, you can't compare... (none)
          I mean in the former USSR you can still do what Cheney and Delay can only dream about. And it was worse!  

          Personal note by way of reply to PhillyGal, I have lived in a lot of places in the former USSR and Eastern Europe including St. Petersburg, Novosibirsk, Kyiv and spent a lot of time in Odessa and Bucharest.

          The Book of Revelations is not a foreign policy manual.

          by Dont Just Stand There on Wed Nov 24, 2004 at 08:38:29 PM PST

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  •  With all due respect.. (none)
    ...This question might have been able to be posed in one of the other Ukraine diaries, or story on the main page.

    That being said, here is an answer for you, with the briefest of background from the NY Times...

    At a tumultuous meeting of the Central Election Commission, the government declared Prime Minister Viktor F. Yanukovich the winner of the presidential runoff, giving him 49.46 of the vote to 46.61 percent for Viktor A. Yushchenko. People in the chamber heckled the reading of the results.

    Yanukovich is the candidate of Putin's choice.  He is part of the old guard, advocating close ties with the former Soviet Union.

    Yushchenko is the "opposition" candidate you speak of.  He advocates, among other things, building Ukraine's relationship with the West, while recognizing the importance of their relationship with Russia.

    Since this diary is here, I might plug a blog, live from Ukraine.  Read it HERE.  This person is close enough that people from the protests are urinating in her back yard.  Hows that for first hand perspective?

    Tim

    Don't waive your rights with your flags.

    by ttagaris on Wed Nov 24, 2004 at 08:23:15 PM PST

  •  Alright someone fill in the long-view (none)
    I do not think Putin is going to back down. I think his plan is to ride this thing out, or to do another election and fix it again.

    So Ukraine remains in the Russian orbit. This time, he won't take the chance with a future election and seek to annex Ukraine in the near future. This I'm sure off.

    After that what happens? Its weird for a country to have imperalist ambitions when its own domestic affairs are in such bad shape.

    •  "It's weird..." (none)
      Its weird for a country to have imperalist ambitions when its own domestic affairs are in such bad shape.

      Actually, I think that's backwards.

      It may make not seem to make sense, but it's the way that things usually work.  Imperial ambitions provide a huge distraction and a lever on domestic affairs--just think... after 9/11, everything changed.

      O it is excellent to have a giant's strength; but it is tyrannous To use it like a giant--Shakespeare, Measure for Measure, Act II

      by ogre on Fri Nov 26, 2004 at 11:36:28 AM PST

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