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President Bush has arrived in Canada today for his two day visit to our country. Yesterday, DemFromCT posted a main page thread about the visit and, since that has now fallen off the page, I've decided to offer this diary as a vehicle to follow the happenings during the visit.

Please post links to stories with a brief description of the article, photos, and personal experiences.

Here are some of today's stories so far:

Emcee for state dinner dies of heart attack

OTTAWA - The man who was supposed to emcee Tuesday's presidential dinner at the Museum of Civilization has died of a heart attack. He was in his early sixties.

Pierre McNicoll was a former host on Radio-Canada. He also played a part in the popular french-language series, Lance et Compte.

Bush reporters race to get flu shots
OTTAWA (AFP) - Flu shots trumped Cuban cigars as the most sought-after items for a handful of reporters covering US President George W. Bush first official visit to Canada.

'Like visiting your in-laws'
Briefing? What Briefing? Besides the fact that Scott McClellen goofed and called Halifax a "province" (it's a city), WH correspondents were left scratching their heads about the visit:

"It is quite unusual not to have a briefing," said one senior White House correspondent who called yesterday, wondering if we had any idea why Bush was coming to Canada. (We had to say, sorry, can't help there.)

The best the White House press corps could make of it, she said, is "it's kind of like visiting your in-laws -- you go because it's what you do. It is sort of a perfunctory visit."

Friends and foes greet Bush on Hill
OTTAWA - Protesters staged a small but noisy demonstration on Parliament Hill Tuesday as Prime Minister Paul Martin greeted George W. Bush to kick off the U.S. president's first official visit to Canada.

American Secret Service agents and RCMP officers equipped with rifles and video cameras kept watch over the placard-carrying crowd of about 200 as they shouted "Go Home" and other slogans at the Bush entourage.
...
There were reports that as thousands more anti-Bush demonstrators arrive at nearby Confederation Park for an afternoon rally, they will topple a large papier mâché statue of Bush, a reference to the role he played in invading Iraq and toppling leader Saddam Hussein in the spring of 2003.

The Ottawa rally was one of about 25 planned across the country to draw attention to Bush's policies and politics during the visit.

This link also provides a schedule of events which I've borrowed:


Tuesday - Ottawa

10:20 a.m. - Air Force One arrives at the Ottawa Airport. President Bush to attend short reception with Gov. Gen. Adrienne Clarkson and U.S. Ambassador Paul Cellucci.
11:05 a.m. - Bush arrives on Parliament for a photo-op with Prime Minister Paul Martin and a group of parliamentarians.
12:15 p.m. - Working lunch with Martin, followed by a meeting with Martin in the Pearson Building.
2:05 p.m. - Questions from the media at the Pearson Building.
2:55 p.m. - Tour of the National Archives.
3:55 p.m. - One-on-one meeting with Opposition leader Stephen Harper.
6:30 p.m. - Beef dinner at the Canadian Museum of Civilization.
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Wednesday - Halifax

6:30 a.m. - Depart for the airport. Martin and Bush to fly in separate planes.
10 a.m. - Prime Minister Paul Martin arrives at the Halifax International Airport.
10:35 a.m. -Bush arrives at airport. Martin and Bush attend welcoming ceremony.
11:15 a.m. - Martin, Bush deliver speeches at Pier 21.
12:15 p.m. - Farewell party for Bush. Leaves Halifax.

Anyone interested in what's going on in Parliament today and tomorrow during Bush's visit should visit CPAC. You can watch our infamous Question Period online (political jousting where the government is put on the spot by the opposition parties - duration ~1 hour, time 2pm ET/11pm PT, rebroadcast 10pm ET/7pm PT).

Your turn. Post what you have. Thanks.

Update [2004-11-30 14:20:19 by catnip]: If you have a diary about the trip, covering it from a different angle, please feel free to link to it here as well.

Update [2004-11-30 15:28:10 by catnip]: Police and Protesters Face Off in Ottawa A crowd of protesters has gathered, est. 5,000, near Chateau Laurier Hotel close to Parliament Hill in Ottawa. At this time, police in riot gear are in full force. Three protesters have been arrested. One police member was injured (according to CBC news). Riot police have donned gas masks. Unidentified smoke arose from the crowd - unclear if it came from the police or a protester. The TV pool feed only shows a very limited view of the crowd. It appears to be diminishing but it's hard to evaluate from what they're showing on CBC.

Update [2004-11-30 16:58:20 by catnip]: A plea: If you think this diary is worthy of staying in the Recommended Diaries section (it keeps bouncing in and out), please recommend it. My only motive for this plea is to maintain this diary as a venue for news during Bush's visit, so I hope it can stay visible. Thank you.

Update [2004-12-1 0:9:25 by catnip]: Have I mentioned how great all of you are? Here are some more links for you:
CBC: The protests for and against
Speaker lineup. Organizations involved (w/links).
Bush/Martin Press Conference Video (33 minutes) (thanks ppr!) and Transcript

Update [2004-12-1 15:41:3 by catnip]: Canadian Democracy Stifled
Several of our MPs (Members of Parliament) today are very concerned about the massive security effort in Ottawa in response to Bush's visit because many were actually held back from free movement and their ability to participate in yesterday's parliamentary business, including voting on issues, was blocked by the police. It appears, at this time, that the culprits were not the regular police force (ie. RCMP) who usually take care of security on the hill.

One longstanding MP, Bill Blaikie, quipped that, although he was stopped by security from entering the Parliament buildings because he did not have a "security pass", protesters on the hill obviously hadn't been issued these vague "security passes" either - but they were allowed access to the area.

Procedurally, this is a question of privilege. In the larger scheme of things, this is a muzzling of our democracy. As some Ottawa citizens pointed out in my breaking news roundup thread, the security in Ottawa was unprecedented. This is a serious matter and there will now be an investigation.

Originally posted to catnip on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 10:53 AM PST.

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  •  tip jar (4.00)
    Cuz searching for stories on the internets is "hard work".
  •  Canada, oh, Canada (3.80)
    Armed with rifles and video cameras? How very, very American of them.

    Hostage smiles on presidents, freedom scribbled in the subway. It's like night and day. - Joni Mitchell

    by jazzlover on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 10:50:37 AM PST

  •  The thought of (4.00)
    Bush in a Museum of Civilization gave me a brain cramp.
    •  heh (none)
      The thought of Bush in the childrens section at teh public library gives me a head cramp

      Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people... it is true that most stupid people are conservative - John Stuart Mill

      by Sarkasba on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 11:31:00 AM PST

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    •  Not really... that's where Bush put it (4.00)
      Civilization has been banished to musuems by Bush. He might as well visit one of the museums housing the memory of it to commemorate the occasion.
      •  Bush has his very own open air museum (none)
        Holocaust in Fallujah, a civilization destroyed.

        The Jews and minorities were called roaches by Hitler before extermination, the Muslims in Iraq are called thugs by Bush. Children are dying in the arms of their mother after surgical strikes. WHY? they cry. Who will explain to them it's because of WMD's, Al Qaeda and the nukes of Saddam. The horror of war does not end when peace has been achieved

    •  Take 66 POut of DC (4.00)
      and before you reach the beltway there is a sign to the GW Bush Center for Intelligence.

      I damn near drive off the road every time I see it. There is only so much cognitive dissidence any human brain can handle while driving on the wrong side of the road.

      We know where he keeps it, why doesn't he visit it once in a while?

      "Till the Last Dog Dies"

      by Deep Dark on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 01:46:42 PM PST

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    •  It was esp. scary to me (none)
      Since that museum is a few kilometers from where I live, and Bush went even closer to my house when he visited the national archives which are a few blocks from here.

      I'm not used to having him around, it's scary.

    •  Ok, it's cruel (4.00)
      I know it's cruel, but my first thought when I read this:

      The man who was supposed to emcee Tuesday's presidential dinner at the Museum of Civilization has died of a heart attack. He was in his early sixties.

      was, 'wow, what some people won't do to not have to spend and evening with Bush.'

      I know.  I'm sorry.  I saw it as a reasonable escape.

      Speaking the truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act. -Orwell

      by TracieLynn on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 08:28:29 PM PST

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  •  Bush's limo (4.00)
    According to CTV television news, Canada had to fly in a bullet-proof limo for Bush. Who knew we didn't have one? I guess our politicians are pretty comfy and feel safe here.

    Reminds me of Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine where he found out that a lot of us don't even lock our doors (gasp!).

  •  well done (none)
    Great job! thanks!

    I'm looking forward to the spin over the next couple days. Should be fun.

    Thanks for the updates

    Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people... it is true that most stupid people are conservative - John Stuart Mill

    by Sarkasba on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 11:05:23 AM PST

  •  Why is Bush In Canada? (4.00)
    "It is quite unusual not to have a briefing," said one senior White House correspondent who called yesterday, wondering if we had any idea why Bush was coming to Canada. (We had to say, sorry, can't help there.)

    From CNN

    Hamilton said the co-chairs (of the 9/11 Commission) had hoped to meet with Bush to map out strategy on getting the legislation passed. But with the president traveling to Canada, Hamilton said, the co-chairs are happy to meet with Cheney instead.

    60% is 6 of 10 in a focus group. Change 1 mind, it's a dead heat. Change 2, it's a landslide. This campaign's a mechanism of persuasion. -WW

    by ssg012 on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 11:05:57 AM PST

  •  Back atcha Bushie! (4.00)
    White House press secretary Scott McClellan shrugged off suggestions that the president feared that sort of scenario, saying Bush had elected to speak "directly to the Canadian people" Wednesday in Halifax, Nova Scotia, where he will thank Halifax and other maritime provinces that received tens of thousands of Americans stranded after the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.

    Common, Hallifax.  We know you've got it in you.  Don't let the man who sat in Florida reading "The Pet Goat" while 3000 died pull any of his "images of 9/11" bullhorn bullshit on you.  Go get 'em!

    •  Halifax Protests (none)
      Hopefully this will help assure you that Halifax is not plannign to disapoint you. It gives the lowdown on the plans for Halifax tomorrow and also a tiny smidgen on recent instances of civil disobedience on the part of the good people of Halifax

      For US readers here, a person from Halifax is correctly called a "Haligonian" (For some reason)

      And Haligonians are big-hearted and socially aware folk, who have complex issues with Bush; I encourage folks to read this article for the sake of these good folks who often fall under the radar, but are planning to put up a good shout tomorrow.

      http://www.canada.com/national/story.html?id=95282066-15c2-4739-826a-1ff2a955a1ba

      Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people... it is true that most stupid people are conservative - John Stuart Mill

      by Sarkasba on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 11:25:16 AM PST

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      •  Shout it! (none)
        All right! I like the spunk I hear in that story.  Maybe Bushie will extend Haligonians the courtesy of greeting them with his fly zipped up!
      •  Coolest protest video I've ever seen from Canada (none)
        You saw the police in their standard riot gear in helmets and the clear shield were up, and a dark cloud between the police and the protesters so thick you could barely see the protesters on the other side. When the camera zoomed in, you could see that the cloud was in fact a dense mass of hockey pucks thrown by the protesters raining down on the riot police from all sides.

        I think it was from when the WTO met up there.

        •  Canadian protests (4.00)
          There was a confrontation between First Nations and the RCMP on a reservation in northern BC over logging rights. The men sent out the women and children armed with marshmallows. They pelted the RCMP with the marshmallows embarrassing the hell out of them until they turned around and left. This was told by a hereditary chief introducing a First Nation's art exhibition, Open Space gallery, circa 1994, Victoria BC.
          •  is there any way to give the rcmp a 4 (none)
            for having the decency to be embarrassed? embarrassed. a word that used to be part of the american vocabulary.

            We get a lot of advice. We tend to listen when somebody's won something. - Joe Lockhart

            by yankeedoodler on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 05:28:07 PM PST

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      •  We find it is easier to say ... (none)
        Haligonian has a much better sound than something like Halifaxian or the other primary variations.  Then again, despite being a born and bred Haligonian I do not know/recall the origin of the name myself...:)

        Rapturist: Someone that commits random acts of senseless kindness.

        by Haligonian on Wed Dec 01, 2004 at 07:50:09 AM PST

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  •  here's a link (none)
    How About (And this is the funniest headline I've seen all day) Bush Launches Global "charm" offenisve

    Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people... it is true that most stupid people are conservative - John Stuart Mill

    by Sarkasba on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 11:15:34 AM PST

  •  protest blog (none)
    Somebody at the Ottawa Citizen has a Bush Visit Protest Blog

    It kinda sucks, but it will at least keep you up to date.

    I have no idea what the political leaning of the Ottawa Citizen is, sorry.

    Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people... it is true that most stupid people are conservative - John Stuart Mill

    by Sarkasba on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 11:18:21 AM PST

  •  Update: LAW (none)
    Lawyers Against the War (LAW), an international group of lawyers trying to bar Bush from Canada on the basis of his war crimes*, has posted instructions on their web site for lawyers on how to proceed in the courts today.

    This page not only contains the procedural information, it outlines the crimes themselves, along with the US military personnel who have been charged and in some cases, already convicted. For anyone interested in these war crimes, this page provides an invaluable summary.

    * see my previous diary about LAW for an in-depth look at their attempt to bar Bush from Canada.

    •  That rocks (none)
      Thanks! Wish I'd seen it in time to actually file papers. Anything I do now will not be processed in time to actually mean anything, but I'll remember it for any other BushCo types who step over the border.

      What a shame - I totally would have done this if I had the info sooner

      Next time! and Thanks!

      Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people... it is true that most stupid people are conservative - John Stuart Mill

      by Sarkasba on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 11:37:22 AM PST

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    •  in-fucking-credible (none)
      what can we do with this that has glue?
  •  CNN (none)
    CNN is showing live pics from the Ottawa protest of people trying to push down the security fences. They actually interrupted Tom Ridge's news conference. Stay tuned. Lots of pushing and shoving going on and there will no doubt be arrests.
  •  CBC - a moment by moment account (none)
    CBC News Online's Ottawa journalist Paddy Moore reports by Blackberry and cameraphone from the streets of Ottawa on the sights and sounds of the Bush visit. Check back for updates throughout the day.

    Check it out here. It's worth following.

    Also, CNN reporter Suzanne Malveaux just announced that their street camera crew was asked to step back from the protests (I assume that was a police request). And, CNN has declined to show some of the more "vulgar" protest signs. You will, however, see them on CBC.

    •  update (none)
      It appears, from the CBC coverage, that one policeman has been injured. Three protesters arrested so far. Some police are now donning gas masks.

      Official police crowd estimate from CBC reporter (a while ago): 5,000

      This is happening near the Chateau Laurier Hotel in Ottawa. This could get nasty.

    •  The best of those 'vulgar' (aka from war) (none)
      signs was a little Iraqi girl (maybe 5yrs) covered in blood, head all injured, and a caption underneath that said "Am I free yet?"  I cried...
  •  Bush cracks a joke (none)
    During his afternoon news conference with Prime Minister Paul Martin, Bush said he was pleased with the welcome he received Tuesday morning. "I want to thank the Canadian people who came out to wave -- with all five fingers -- for their hospitality," he said with a chuckle.

    If only someone had a count of the ratio of one to five finger salutes.

    link

  •  video (none)
    I am saving and gif animating photos of the Parliament protests . The Hill cam showed a small swell at 2 ish that dwindled to allow a mini-riot down the street and out of shot ...

    anyone who wants to post my gif animation , please yell !I don't know how to post pics!

  •  more background (none)

    For readers gazing North for the first time, here's some of the sticking points in Canada-US relations. How Bush and Martin address these will be of interest to us. It could make or break Martin's fragile government, and will most certainly further define our opinions of Bush.

    This is from the CBC.

    Further posters, please note the request made yesterday by (I think) DemFromCT and provide very brief summary info on news agencies and key players for our American friends.
    Like this:

    The CBC is state-funded but operates at arms length from the government. It is usually quite critical of any government in power, and it comes just about as close to non-partisan as you can get, although they are more or less socially progressive.

    Paul Martin is our Current Prime Minister and he presides over a minority government. this essentially means that his Liberal Party has the most seats of all parties individually, but the other parties combined have more seats than his party

    There is a bit more info on some of the current players in the comments on my earlier diary about how Canadian conservatives are big crybabies

    Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people... it is true that most stupid people are conservative - John Stuart Mill

    by Sarkasba on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 12:38:29 PM PST

  •  Stephen Harper Press Conference (none)
    Stephen Harper, leader of the opposition Conservative Party of Canada, met with Bush Tuesday afternoon. During Harper's press conference that followed the meeting, upon fielding questions about possible discussions about the missile defense system (which Canada has not agreed to support - yet - and hopefully won't), Harper remained tight-lipped and would not elaborate on what he and Bush talked about. In fact, his entire press conference was filled with vague answers. So, what really happened behind those closed doors?
  •  This couldn't be funnier. (none)
    From CBC:  

    The U.S. president also made a tongue-in-cheek reference to the supporters he" saw among the protesters as his motorcade drove through Ottawa.

    "I want to thank the Canadian people who came out to wave, with all five fingers, for their hospitality," he said.

  •  Thanks for the update.... (4.00)
    And keep those protests going!

    Say.....as long as you've got him, why don't you just keep him up there? He could build a ranch out west somewhere. He loves ranches. No, really, you keep him.

    "The country we carry in our hearts is waiting" --Bruce Springsteen.

    by bdizz on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 02:36:26 PM PST

  •  Protest in Vancouver (none)
    "Several hundred" outside the US consulate in downtown Vancouver, apparantly.  They pulled down a papier-mache statue of the President, a la Hussein's in Baghdad.

    My favourite comment was by Rick Cluff on CBC Radio's Vancouver morning show, who response to the comment that crews were sweeping the red carpet from the plane, said, "they don't want him to trip on a pretzel."

    "The state has no place in the bedrooms of the nation." - Pierre Trudeau

    by fishhead on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 02:47:31 PM PST

  •  Thanks catnip for your hard work! (none)
    Did you mention that Bush met with Stephen Harper?
    (conservative leader of the opposition).
    That's the part that annoyed me the most. Is this the usual protocol?

    Alexa McDonough refused to have dinner with Bush but she will be at the candle light vigil in Ottawa tonight.

    The demonstration against Bush included thousands of protestors. It was not described as 'small' on the CBC.

    Good work, carry on.

    •  Ottawa protesters estimated at 5,000+ (rowdy!) (none)

      "The state has no place in the bedrooms of the nation." - Pierre Trudeau

      by fishhead on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 03:03:04 PM PST

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    •  Harper (none)
      Yes, I posted a synopsis of Harper's news conference above. As for protocol, I'd have to check on that. Anyone?

      And kudos to Alexa and Jack Layton.

    •  Can you imagine (none)
      what would happen if Paul Martin went on an official visit to Washington on October and met behind closed doors with Kerry?

      My blood boiled when I read about shithead meeting with Harper, yet not even speaking to Parliament. It's beyond rude.

      Then again, let's not forget that Harper and David Frum are buddies from way back in Calgary forming the Unite the Right movement. Who's David Frum??? Can you say writer of the Axis of Evil speech? Worked in the Bush White House, co-wrote a book with Perle (aka PNAC Perle).

      I could go on, I think it's obvious what sort of conversation Bush and Harper had. We Canadians have GOT TO KEEP HARPER OUT OF POWER!!!!!

      Canadians care too...

      by jbalazs on Wed Dec 01, 2004 at 05:09:28 AM PST

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      •  Well... (none)
        ....the fact of that meeting will be like an anchor around Harper's neck come next election. I think I can guess why he was the only opposition leader to be invited to talk to Bush. He couldn't refuse, even though if he's in his right mind he must know it is about as popular a gesture as pardoning a pedophile priest.

        Kiss of death. Harper's toast.

        "Salvation is by way of the truth, not by way of the fatherland" -- Chaadaev

        by sagesource on Wed Dec 01, 2004 at 09:59:19 AM PST

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  •  How many police and soldiers were lurking? (none)
    I have a feeling that the security outnumbered the protestors in Ottawa four to one. Any numbers?

    We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.

    by southlib on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 03:12:49 PM PST

    •  no numbers yet (none)
      Will post as soon as they are available.
      •  hey kids (4.00)
        Spent nearly 12 hours in Gatineau>Ottawa>Gatineau today. (Disclaimer; I live in Gatineau).

        Observations:

         - lots of security, various police forces on virtually every corner

         - headed to Parliament Hill around 9am, nearly empty, a couple dozen people with signs, security outnumbered protesters 5 to 1

         - could've gone down to Confederation Park for the mass gathering but decided to wait for the motorcade

         - typical security headfake, cops go one way, motorcade sneaks up the other side

         - security increases twofold, no sight of the chimp

         - head up to the rally about 6 blocks south, greeted by a nice big crowd, Bob Marley and Neil Young blaring, not huge but definitely 10000, a good mix of folks and noticeably young, this, my friends,  is a good thing

         - multiple speakers state their issues for about an hour, Naomi Klein spoke well, she talked about Iraqi Resistance

         - lots of newstypes hovering around

         - march to Parliament Hill begins, this for me is the highlight of the day, 10>12k wound their way through the streets of downtown Ottawa, peacefully screaming that we want bush to go home

         - I lucked out and helped carry/wave the biggest banner on the steps of our Parliament 'Liberte, Equalite, Fraternite'

         - the crowd was energized but I feel could've used some leadership/direction, no matter, united, the message was loud and it was clear

         - a few rowdies in the crowd, probably the same dozen that pushed down the barricades and started the altercation

         - the police over-reacted with their one teargas can but the idiots that threw paint on them deserved to be yanked out of there

         - security measures kept access limited and forced us to stay put or find a way to our next target

         - things quieted down somewhat, half the protesters left to rest, eat or just go home

         - bush and his people went to visit our National Archives, a 5 minute jaunt from my home, I stayed in Ottawa and bought some candles, a quick bite and headed up to the Hill

         - approx 5000 or so spilled into the area, most candles were lit by 5pm, some speakers spoke, it was a vigil for Ws war dead

         - meanwhile the 700 well groomed and expensively dressed invitees were 'security checked' at the Guertin arena, about 10 minutes from the Museum of Civilisation, where their tax paid dinner was served

         - security for this got even tighter, bridges, ramps, roads, even bikepaths were chock full o' cops, again paid by our taxes

         - the day for me wrapped up with a long walk back to my car, I parked nearly 3km away as I wanted to check out the scene to and fro

         - emotions came in waves today, a beautiful clear, sunny, blue-skyed day marred by the presence of the world's most hate man, I live near a national capital so major events are expected, I've been here nearly two decades and never in my wildest imagination did I think I'd see a police presence like I did today, it is truly saddening to think that the leader of my nation's neighbour has lead the charge to this pathetic moment in our lives

         - I enjoyed talking with the younger generation, I'm only 43 but seeing sub-20 year olds marching and chanting in unison gave me energy, knowing that many came on buses from 100s of kms away showed dedication to their beliefs of peace and brotherhood

         - when I got home I turned on the tv to see what was being reported, sadly the focus was on bush's trivializing our one finger salutes and of course the lame mini riot

         - today I saw genuine anger in the eyes of my fellow citizens, I saw bush/cheney sticker-wearing US embassy employees mocking us, I saw women and men of all ages, greeds, colours and costumes marching together peacefully, reminding each other and the world that there is much good in humanity

         - a good friend of mine suggested (in an email this AM)  that I give ol' W the one finger salute for him, I did and it felt good

        Fuck You George W Bush

        Peace

    •  They were brought in from as far... (none)
      as Calgary. I saw many hundred. I'm sure they were in the thousands.

      "In the event of the rapture, I'm taking your car."

      by shaking my head in Ottawa on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 05:04:02 PM PST

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    •  It was *infested* (none)
      and I'm not even kidding, I've never seen so many cops... it was ridiculous, police state-like... this doesn't happen here... ugh, it was so depressing that such measures are necessary.... would've been a good day to rob a bank I tell ya... every street corner from confed. park to parliament had at least 6 cops, sometimes 12 and they were pulling up in unmarked SUV's and vans all over the place... it was so creepy... can you guys keep him down there next time, I don't like him fowling up our democracy...

      thanks...

  •  dear canada protesters (none)
    if you want our respect, i wanna see some blood, some college kids getting hammered by cops, and a high pressure hose.

    it's not a protest without a high pressure hose.

    chop chop!

  •  Pierre Berton dead at 84 (none)
    :-(
    •  thanks for posting this (none)
      We've lost one of our national treasures.
      •  Canadiana Today (none)
        First a huge THANK YOU to catnip and the Canadians (sounds like a rock band)for this middle finger salute to Smirky McAsshat.

        Some protest signs and my fav is number # 6!

        1. Buck Fush
        2. Bare feet, no arms
        3. I support fair trade: Bush for anyone.
        4. Bare feet, not arms
        5. Don't arrest me, I'm not the war criminal
        6. No Bush, know Peace
        7. The Emperor has no brains
        8. Evil-lution equals Bush
        9. Do not prey for America
        10. America, it's time to shave your Bush

        Pierre Breton remembered:  Him showing how to roll a doobie on TV. I never knew him before. I want to know a lot more.

        Catnip's pick for greatest Canadian was The Winner!  He would be a winner in any country but Canadians had the wisdom to pick HIM!  Good work.

        Thanks for every thing including this diary.

        What a truly great country and people.

        You can't always tell the truth because you don't always know the truth - but you can ALWAYS be honest.

        by mattman on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 05:38:43 PM PST

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    •  RIP, Pierre Berton (none)
      A Canadian institution - I loved "Klondike" and "The National Dream."  What a loss!

      "The state has no place in the bedrooms of the nation." - Pierre Trudeau

      by fishhead on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 05:56:23 PM PST

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  •  ABC World News (none)
    Canadians need to get along with the US economically. Even small things like searching every vehicle, finerprinting along the border, let alone beef and timber issues, can have a huge economic effect... so (interviewing the editor-in-chief of Maclean's) 'get over the personal attacks on bush... to much is at stake" or words to that effect.

    Not a very helpful report, but they did have some scant shots of protesters.

    "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

    by Greg Dworkin on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 03:44:25 PM PST

    •  one could make a counter argument (4.00)
      Canada is the US' largest trading partner. The US economy is fragile, its debt is growing. I wonder what might happen if Canadians just decided to play tough for a change -- but that is a pipe dream under this, a minority, government.

      Still, you have to admire NDP leader Jack Layton for using his state-dinner face time with Bush to put in a plea for keeping misiles and other weaponry out of 'outer' space.

    •  Yes "too much" is at stake (none)
      like Bush testing missiles over Canadian territory
      and having our troops sent to Iraq.

      Very big issues to most Canadians.

  •  Evening News Digest (4.00)
    Here's some updated news:

    Bush says Canada, U.S. 'standing together'
    Bush thanks Canada for its' contributions in Afghanistan and...

    Bush either thanked Canada or expressed gratitude on behalf of the American people several times during his opening statement at the news conference. That could help soothe still-lingering bitterness that he did not mention his northern neighbour in a long list of nations he thanked for helping the United States in the wake of the 2001 attacks against his country.
    ...

    Bush also said the two leaders had discussed:

    • The future of North American Aerospace Defence Command and continental defence plans such as the controversial missile defence shield.
    • Plans to crack down on illegal activity along the border between Canada and the U.S. without creating roadblocks on vital trade routes.
    • Ways of fighting infectious disease in Africa.
    ...

    Bush would not be drawn into discussion on Canada's gradual move towards the decriminalization of marijuana, and promised no quick action on reopening the border to all Canadian beef and cattle in the wake of the mad cow crisis.
    ...

    Oh, and you'll like this quote:

    He also acknowledged that some Canadians don't like his administration's stance on Iraq, but pointed out: "We just had a poll in our country that decided that the foreign policy in our country should stay in place for four more years."
    ...

    On Tuesday night, 700 invited guests will join the U.S. president at a dinner featuring Alberta beef at the Museum of Civilization in Gatineau, Que., just across the Ottawa River from Parliament Hill.

    A more right-wing news roundup from CNEWS

    Assorted pics and stories from Yahoo!

    (And a big thank you to those who've contributed to this diary and recommended it too.)

    •  Just for the record.... (4.00)
      "We just had a poll in our country that decided that the foreign policy in our country should stay in place for four more years."

      I voted "no" in that poll. ;)

      "The country we carry in our hearts is waiting" --Bruce Springsteen.

      by bdizz on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 04:12:40 PM PST

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    •  Bush and premature aging (none)
      He also acknowledged that some Canadians don't like his administration's stance on Iraq, but pointed out: "We just had a poll in our country that decided that the foreign policy in our country should stay in place for four more years."

      A study just came out that found stress causes premature aging.  Does his health plan pay for plastic surgery?  Oh right, he doesn't have a friggin' health plan.  

      "If we cannot name our own we are cut off at the root, our hold on our lives as fragile as seed in a wind." Dorothy Allison

      by caliberal on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 06:19:08 PM PST

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  •  Gotta love Dana Millbank (none)
    The WaPo lede says it all:
    OTTAWA, Canada, Nov. 30 -- Even before President Bush arrived in the Canadian capital for meetings with Prime Minister Paul Martin, all signs were that the session would be a bust.
    •  from the WaPo story (4.00)
      This is rich:

      Aboard Air Force One, press secretary Scott McClellan quarreled with the notion that Canadians do not like the U.S. president.

      To reduce Ugly American incidents, the Office of the Chief of Protocol on Air Force One provided "Protocol Essentials" to passengers. The pointers reminded Americans that Canadians enjoy firm handshakes for people they meet and customary hellos upon greeting, although the French speakers go with "Bonjour." Diners can rest elbows on the table after meals, the protocol office declared. Also, the Canadian expression "eh" -- pronounced "AY" -- means "you know?" or "isn't it?" but is "used mostly in rural areas."

      In Quebec, the protocol tips advised, don't give thumbs-down gesture, as it is "considered offensive." This information came in use when U.S. reporters who might not otherwise have understood the significance of the thumbs-down gesture spied a man who presented a downward pointing thumb as Bush's motorcade passed.

      Holy protocol crap, Batman! Who wrote that up for them? David Frum?

      • doesn't everyone enjoy "firm handshakes"?
      • how will Bush pronounce "bonjour"? He has enough trouble with English!
      • "elbows on the table"? My mom would kill me for that - still.
      • eh "used mostly in rural areas"? eh? (which also means "wtf?")
      • "thumbs-down gesture"? Hello?? Siskel and Ebert, American guys? No?
      •  I couldn't help wondering (none)
        why the Quebec specific protocol didn't include something about 'heaters' and poutine.
      •  Should have clued Tucker Carlson in (none)
        From last evening's WOLF BLITZER REPORTS!

        BLITZER: Tucker Carlson, what do you think of this latest twist in the U.S.-Canadian relationship?

        TUCKER CARLSON, CO-HOST, "CROSSFIRE": Oh, well, I mean, it's part of an ongoing sort of battle that the U.S. doesn't really participate in. I think you get the sense that Canadians think much more about the United States than the United States thinks about Canada.

        I think, you know, Canadians are nice people, it's a nice country, but it's a country in the grip of a national insecurity complex. Canada needs the United States for trade, for a lot of reasons. Without the U.S., Canada is essentially Honduras, but colder and much less interesting. And I think that that makes Canadians -- the dependence that Canada has on the United States makes Canadians understandably resentful.

        We exploit your natural resources, that's true. But in the end, Canadians with ambition move to the United States. That has been sort of the trend for decades. It says something not very good about Canada. And I think it makes Canadians feel bad about themselves and I understand that.

        Well, you have the benefit of being protected by the United States and you can say that. But I think if Canada were responsible for its own security -- you would be invaded by Norway if it weren't for the United States and so you...

        My only point is as a matter of trade, Canada is far more dependent on the U.S. than the U.S. is on Canada. That's simply a fact, again, not even a value judgment. But of course the United States needs a good relationship with Canada and I suspect it will always have one unless some separatist government comes to power and the country splits into two, which is always possible. But short of that, no, absolutely the countries will remain allies and there will always be politicians who see it to their benefit to stomp on Bush dolls. But no, I don't think the average Canadian feels -- the average Canadian is busy dogsledding. You know that.

        http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0411/30/wbr.01.html

        •  FUTC (4.00)

          A big shiny Fuck You to Tucker Carlson; Let's see how mcuh your fucking bowties cost if Canada decides to take 25% of YOUR international business elsewhere.

          Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people... it is true that most stupid people are conservative - John Stuart Mill

          by Sarkasba on Wed Dec 01, 2004 at 08:28:26 AM PST

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    •  Globe and Mail reports on Milbank (none)
      it can be found here
  •  While Bush gulps Alberta prime rib (none)
    Hong Kong lifts its embargo on Canadian beef.
  •  4000 in Montreal march up St Catherine's Street (4.00)
    A friend just phoned in that he just saw a huge protest in Montreal at around 6pm Eastern. He said bystanders joined up with the group as they passed by. The protest was led by a large jeep with 4 bullhorns reciting anti bush slogans. Signs ran the gamut from "Stop US World Imperialism" to "F*** Bush." All cross traffic was stopped by the police. It appeared to be very well organized and the police seemed to be protecting the protestors. Very Democratic. Sitting here in NYC, I wonder what THAT feels like...
  •  I have photos... (none)
    but don't know how to post them. Sigh. Anybody out there who can help me?

    "In the event of the rapture, I'm taking your car."

    by shaking my head in Ottawa on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 04:59:14 PM PST

  •  Vancouver (none)
    here is the CBC story on the protest here....sounds pretty small scale compared to others.

    There is a group that protests in front of the consulate building pretty much year round.

  •  Tom Ridge (none)
    Has any one else noted that Ridge waited until Bush was out of the country to announce his resignation?  Is he that afraid of the guy?  Or were they preemptively trying to provide distraction for Bush's less than (luke)warm welcome?
  •  Bush Press Conference (none)
    Didn't see this posted yet (I apologize if it's already linked).  Here's a link to the Bush/Martin Press conference (33 minutes)

    Video

    •  adsf (none)
      I'm still watching it, but 12 minutes in, the reporters get to ask questions.  Always fun to watch Bush without a speach.  First question was something about some people not necessarily for the war anymore and whether he's responsible for that change in opinion.
      •  That should be fun (none)
        "responsible" doesn't exist in Bush's vocabulary (I know I know, there are lots of words that don't exist there).  Could even form one coherent sentence or did he give up and throw a temper tantrum?
    •  transcripts abound (none)
      Transcript from LA Times

      The transcipt lacks the 2 - 3 minutes of Global/Canada.com commentary afterwards, basically taking a critical stand on the conference/meeting, noting how it was more or less an empty meeting.  But that was expected.

  •  Top story on Google News... (4.00)
    is currently Canadian Authorities Arrest U.S. President Bush On War Charges - and before you get all excited, it is of course a spoof.

    However, it's pretty cool to see it at the top of Google News. Is is entirely possible that this might occur naturally, or has it perhaps been gamed somehow? Is there a way to rate Google News stories? I know Google are very proud of their robot-generated news, but I would have thought they'd have humans at least somewhere in the chain to weed these things out.

    Still, enjoy it while it lasts.

  •  Canadian Blogs (none)
    The BlogsCanada directory lists some 9,000 Canadian blogs. Here's their Political Index.
    Have some great Canadian blogs to recommend? Please add them here.
    •  thank you catnip! (none)
      for posting the canadian blogs link...
      was hoping to find some cancon as we in BC prepare to unseat our convicted drunk driver premier
      •  best of luck (none)
        I can't believe that guy calls himself a Liberal. Good thing about BC - you guys are willing to change your government when it needs changing. Albertans need to learn that lesson.
        •  The only reason the BC "Liberals" exist (none)
          is because the Socreds flamed out (remember Bill Vander Zalm).  So Gordo and co. took over the BC Liberals, booted their leader, Gordon Wilson, out, and replaced him with Campbell (the former mayor of Vancouver).

          "The state has no place in the bedrooms of the nation." - Pierre Trudeau

          by fishhead on Wed Dec 01, 2004 at 01:59:16 PM PST

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  •  Keep it up! (4.00)
    My mother was born in Nova Scotia, grew up in Halifax, and has relentlessly disenfranchised herself by retaining her Canadian citizenship for more than 50 years since she entered this country and married an American (twice).  But she is also relentless in her torment of me for my liberal views.  So this is all very heartening.  We need Canada to make a strong and uncompromising statement about the principles and human values underlying democracy.  And we need it now!

    So, thank you.  And please.  Keep it up!

    •  I'm flying to Nova Scotia next week to (4.00)
      buy a farm. Love that place!
      •  Buying land in Canada (none)
        I'm actually considering doing this myself.  We're contemplating moving to Nova Scotia or New Brunswick, buying land with some relatives, and hanging on to it just in case.  Also for vacation purposes. :)

        Could you maybe post a diary about your purchase?  Did you have to pay HST?  Are there restrictions or special hoops for foreigners who buy Canadian land?  

        We were marching for the children, we were marching for the poor. Now we're marching for self-interest-- we'll march forevermore.

        by andlorr on Wed Dec 01, 2004 at 08:52:02 AM PST

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        •  Thank you. I'll think about a diary after the trip (none)
          I'm doing this in a blur of emotion, and we haven't studied all the details yet. We're looking at 7 different properties, and perhaps we won't commit right away. But I think we probably will. My research so far indicates that there is NOT a special restriction on foreigners buying Canadian land (there used to be). Not sure yet about HST, although a Nova Scotia lawyer I consulted says there is a huge exemption for transfer of personal property from the U.S. to a residence in Canada (I have some Canada customs regulations I haven't studied yet). Also, immigration is easy, compared to the U.S. (at least for me, I qualify under all kinds of different Canadian national and provincial immigration programs). They need people and capital.

          Incidentally, I personally think Nova Scotia is lovely from top to bottom, while I always found New Brunswick to have a bad atmosphere. But it's a huge province, and no doubt there are many nice places there I haven't seen. I would definitely not recommend St. John. Something about that place is not right. But I like most all of the rest of Canada I've seen.

      •  wish I could... (none)
        ...move to Canada, too!  I did the survey on their website and did not get nearly enough points on their immigration scorecard.  Too bad!  Would love to live in Nova Scotia!
  •  peepul roundup (4.00)
    FYI, here's a brief roundup of people mentioned in these threads and in linked articles.

    First; some major players I discussed earlier, copied verbatim from this comment

    • Jean Chretien: former Liberal Leader, Prime Minister for most of the nineties up till 2004
    • Paul Martin: Current PM and Liberal leader. has a minority government which means that his party has the more seats than any other party, but all the other parties combined have MORE seats than they do.
    • Jack Layton: Head of the NDP which is further left than the Liberals; not the official opposition, but usually a strong voice for the downtrodden. Has never been ruling party or official opposition, unfortunately. Since the Iraq war the NDP have more accurately represented the inclinations of Canadians, but old habits die hard, and our small-L liberal Canadians who should be voting NDP will probably keep voting for the Liberals for a while yet
    • Gilles Duceppe: Leader of the Bloc Quebecois, the party that was formed in order to facilitate Quebec sovereignty, but have been increasingly quiet during the Bush admin. The BQ may be realizing that they have it pretty good in Canada, but still fighting for various concessions for Quebec. Traditionally oppose war, especially wars based on lies.

    Here are the names I didn't mention earlier because they weren't relevant to that discussion. They are names that have come up in this thread and in linked articels without sufficient explanation for the interested observer.

    • Stephen Harper - Crybaby Conservative. Leader of the Conservative party, the official Opposition. No detail here, I'm sick of talking about them today. Find more from me on them upthread.
    • Alexa McDonough - Former leader of the NDP through much of the 90s. Now just a lowly MP, but people still look to her as a sort of elder stateswoman for the farther-left
    • Ed Broadbent - See Alexa McDonough. Same story, different decade. Substitute 80s for 90s.
    • Governor General Adrienne Clarkson - The official representative of the Queen in Canada. At state functions, for all intents and purposes, she is the Queen. Be nice to her. Diplomacy and decorum dictate she has to be nice to you. Even if you're Dubya. Is the final approval stage for all federal laws, but this is mostly ceremonial and she never actually vetoes a law that has passed parliament. Is a great Canadian success story - arrived in Canda as a child on a Chinese refugee boat.
    • John Ralston Saul - Clarkson's husband. Canadian political philosopher and academic writer. Errs on the side of controversy whenever possible in his writing. Wrote a great book criticising US foreign policy and Canada's role in it that was released just after 911. Came under fire from Crybaby Conservatives (upthread) when the book was released. Shook hands with GWB this morning (See note on Decorum, above - but I know what he WANTED to say)

    Please add if I've missed any major players.

    And now a note on "EH" mentioned upthread. I don't say it. I don't know anyone who really says it. Much. Pisses me off when Canadians and Americans alike paste it onto something to imply something is "Canadian." Kind of like trying to summarize the totality and complexity of Italian-American culture with "Fuggedaboutit." I find it obnoxious. Has anyone reading this ever said "Hey!" or "what's up?" or ended a sentence with an affirmation-seeker like "right?" How would you feel if the world, including your own people, thought they could summarize your entire existence by tacking "Right?" onto anything written about your people and then laughing about it, just because it happened to be a verbal tick that was regionally more pronounced in the region you're from, even though it is used only occasionally? You'd feel annoyed anytime you saw it, right? eh?

    Anyway, this is a great thread; I am glad that Canada is getting this great chance to personally flip Bush the mighty bird today and tomorrow, and more importantly, to make our attempt to speak out for theose in the US who feel like they aren't being heard. Never let it be said that Canadians won't stand up with their neighbours in a JUST cause. And I still have my black hoodie to remind me.

    Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people... it is true that most stupid people are conservative - John Stuart Mill

    by Sarkasba on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 07:28:27 PM PST

    •  asdf (none)
      You're a great source of info! When it comes to choosing responses though, I'll pick "eh" over "whachoo talkin' bout Willis?" every time.
    •  I do say 'eh?' (none)
      but usually only after a few beers and never before the middle of the second period :)
      sigh... I miss hockey
      usually in kamloops we could just turn to the blazers, but they are in serious danger of missing the playoffs for the first time in over 20 years
  •  Canadian Press: Bush Unrepentant (4.00)
    According to a Canadian Press Report, Bush was described as unrepentant when asked about Canadian distaste over his policies and cites his recent electoral win as justification for his invasion on Iraq:

    "I'm the kind of fella who does what I think is right and will continue to do what I think is right," Bush said. "I'll consult with our friends and neighbours, but if I think it's right to remove Saddam Hussein for the security of the United States, that's the course of action I'll take."

    He conceded some Canadians and Americans disagree with the war..But there was no moderating his administration's unilateralist rhetoric on the path to war. He merely pointed to his election victory back home when asked about Canadian attitudes.
    "I haven't seen the polls you look at," Bush replied. "We just had a poll in our country - where people decided that the foreign policy of the Bush administration ought to be in place for four more years."

    The Canadian Press commentated on this quote by saying:

    It was not exactly the message many had been expecting from a second-term president reputed to be eager to win back allies alienated by his decision to invade Iraq.

    Defiant Bush Stands By Foreign Policy

    Our hopes are high. Our faith in the people is great. Our courage is strong. And our dreams for this beautiful country will never die. - Pierre Trudeau

    by tribe34 on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 07:28:54 PM PST

    •  Dumb Talk in Canada (none)
      I find it so dumb for Bush to talk a mandate of his uncompromising policies. He won by the skin of his teeth at best in the electoral College, which determines the election and the GOP had to extend themselves to much, much, much  more effort than they ever had before, with control of the government,  to win. He does anything to win elections and does  what he thinks is best and not what the people think is best in foreign policy. That sounds like a dictator to me.  
  •  US coverage as seen by the CBC (none)
    Neil Macdonald, CBC's Washington correspondent, filed an interesting report on how Bush's visit was covered south of the border.

    Seeing the right-wing talking assholes on Faux News won't surprise anyone on this blog, but this kind of coverage on The National, CBC's flagship news program, will probably reinforce the continental divide north of the border.

  •  Quick! Bar the door! (4.00)
    Bush has left the country, people. Bar the door, bar the door!!!

    Kerry/Edwards: For a reality-based America

    by Em on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 08:11:26 PM PST

  •  Bush/Martin (4.00)
    How appropriate!

    •  need a caption contest for this one (none)
      Are they symbolically going in different directions or is Martin like a chattery alien coming out of Bush's neck?

      Bush: "where's that voice coming from?"

      Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people... it is true that most stupid people are conservative - John Stuart Mill

      by Sarkasba on Wed Dec 01, 2004 at 05:46:22 AM PST

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  •  bring back memories? (4.00)

    I'm not sure if they rolled his head down the street as they did with Saddam's.

    •  If only (none)
      this could be shown on ANY of our newscasts here in the US!!! What a powerful image and message sent by our allies to the north!  Why aren't more of us doing that here????  (Fear of Guantanamo not withstanding).
  •  Bush explains elections to Canada - Lucky Canada (none)
    This is the comment that got me going.

    "I'm the kind of fella who does what I think is right," he told a joint news conference with Prime Minister Paul Martin.

    "We just had a poll in our country where people decided the foreign policy of the Bush administration ought to stay in place for four more years."

    Condescending little @#&$@!

    I thought he didn't care about polls.

    Beware the person who offers simple solutions to complex problems. IBE

    by JimG 103 on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 09:19:23 PM PST

    •  I think his reference to the "poll" (none)
      was to the election. Or did you already know that?

      Resuscitate investigative journalism! Reality-Based does NOT mean investigations are wrong - it means investigations are essential.

      by nephalim on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 11:35:44 PM PST

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    •  There's that MANDATE again... (none)

      We just had a poll in our country where people decided the foreign policy of the Bush administration ought to stay in place for four more years.

      Yeah...the 49% that disagreed aren't worth mentioning... or is that closer to 50-52% once we account for all the rigged votes and disenfranchisement.

      Freedom is on the march... in the Ukraine perhaps..

      GRRRR....

      •  Great way to decide the right thing to do (none)
        Dubya. So now we have middle American FOX viewers deciding if our foreign policy is sane. Aren't these the same people who also believed overwhelmingly that Saddam was involved in 9/11. Hmmmm What is that spin number 342334539458734 for Orwell?

        So what you're saying is by not paying a union wage, by lowering the wages of those workers - you can cut my taxes - Terri Gross to Grover Norquist

        by The past is over on Wed Dec 01, 2004 at 11:03:25 AM PST

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  •  one last thing (none)
    One of best signs yesterday read;

    'Go to firefox.com'

  •  Don't go away! (4.00)
    Canada isn't done with Wonderboy yet!

    It's a beautiful snowy morning here in Southern Ontario, but my thoughts are wandering to Halifax, where Dubya is currently creating trafffic problems and polluting the harbour with his foul secretions.

    For those of you who have never given Halifax much thought; let me just briefly say that Halifax is on of the most kickass cities I've ever been too. It's small, but its got a lot of life in it. And it's beautiful (well, not Sackville, but y'know). Halifax ranks high in my list of favourite places.

    Now, before we get to the meat of the issue, jsut a quick reminder for readers here that a person from Halifax is correctly called a "Haligonian." (No, I don't know why, they're Maritimers, they do weird things)

    ANY-hoo, The Haligonians are not planning to disappoint you this fine wednesday; they have their own personal beefs with Dubya that go beyond the regular stuff.

    The actual NUMBERS may be lower in terms of demonstrators, but remember to loook at the numbers in the context of the size of Halifax -  Only about 360,000 people. This is no Toronto or New York. They also don't have larger centres in easy travelling distance like Ottawa.

    Their personal issue with Dubya? Haligonians are a VERY hospitable people, but like any good host, they don't take kindly to wilfully ungrateful guests.

    On September 11, 2001, scores of planes carrying mostly US citizens were redirected to this tiny city, (and to Gander, Newfoundland). Halgonians did not even have to be asked; without hesitation, citizens threw open their homes for shell-shocked US citizens.

    I don't presume to cast aspersions on the gratefulness of those guests; it was Dubya who, rattling off the list of countries that had sent messages of support, totally ignored these good people who allowed, what was it, about 40,000 strangers into their homes. Not just into their city, into their private homes.

    Dubya is visiting Halifax today to rectify his error - three years late.

    Now, don't get the idea that Haligonians have been waiting breathlessy for this for the last three years; their initial response was "oh. Well, fuck you too. Moving on." Their response today will be more like "Too little, too late. Fuck you again." only they'll say it louder this time.

    But, I assure you, the next time international flights are reditrected to teh good city of Halifax, these peopel will open their homes again. They really are the best kind of people you can find.

    Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people... it is true that most stupid people are conservative - John Stuart Mill

    by Sarkasba on Wed Dec 01, 2004 at 06:48:29 AM PST

    •  I couldn't agree more! (none)
      ....from a proud (and, yes, a little weird!) Maritimer.

      Canadians care too...

      by jbalazs on Wed Dec 01, 2004 at 07:05:15 AM PST

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    •  Bingo! (4.00)
      "Dubya is visiting Halifax today to rectify his error - three years late.

      Now, don't get the idea that Haligonians have been waiting breathlessy for this for the last three years; their initial response was "oh. Well, fuck you too. Moving on." Their response today will be more like "Too little, too late. Fuck you again." only they'll say it louder this time.

      But, I assure you, the next time international flights are reditrected to teh good city of Halifax, these peopel will open their homes again. They really are the best kind of people you can find."

       Sarkasba on Wed Dec 1st, 2004 at 06:48:29 PST

      The above captures general sentiments around here perfectly.  When I heard Bush was gracing us with his presence to thank us my own first words were "Too fucking little, too fucking late, shithead!"  That was a feeling I found very common around town the past two weeks since this visit was announced.  The irony though is that if it has to be done again, we will do the exact same as we did during 9/11/01.  People are people, and anyone in need should not be turned away from, regardless of nationality/ethnicity.  

      It is ironic though that the sentiment behind the Canadian responses on 9/11/01 is also what kept us out of Iraq.  We could not sanction a pre-emptive invasion of a country unless there was some imminent threat (or in response to an attack, which is why we are in Afghanistan) because of the collateral damage that would be done to innocent civilians.  People are people before they are anything else.

      Rapturist: Someone that commits random acts of senseless kindness.

      by Haligonian on Wed Dec 01, 2004 at 08:13:56 AM PST

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      •  Well said (none)

        And I hope to visit Nova Scotia again soon. It's on the shortlist for my honeymoon. Because my fiance has never been east of montreal and she knows I think highly of the east coast.

        Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people... it is true that most stupid people are conservative - John Stuart Mill

        by Sarkasba on Wed Dec 01, 2004 at 08:35:27 AM PST

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      •  Where are you in Hfx? (none)
        I'm in Clayton Park West.

        Pssst ... there are mad men in the White House.

        by banjon on Thu Dec 02, 2004 at 12:22:22 AM PST

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    •  Not so! (none)
      The numbers were probably greater in Halifax than in Ottawa, and certainly less confrontational. There were no riot police in evidence, just normal cops who weren't anymore threatening than crossing guards. Leaflets were handed out to protesters by police detailing the rights of the protesters and the expectations made by the police (no violence, no vandalism,etc). All very polite. And despite the overwhelming smell of marijuana wafting throughout the entire downtown no one was bothered for that. On one of the major streets a "mosh pit" of sorts broke out, with drums and other instruments playing to a largely younger crowd of dancers, making for a festive atmosphere.
  •  Canada urged to sign on to Bush's crusade. (none)
    Not my title.. but the one of the CBC reporting this story:
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    U.S. President George W. Bush suggested that Canada should take a more active role in his "war on terrorism," as he gave a major foreign policy speech in Halifax on Wednesday.

    He said Canada had a duty to step up its part in offensives against potential threats to North America, three years after the worst-ever attacks against civilians on American soil.

    Bush raised the example of a former prime minister, William Lyon Mackenzie King, who did not wait for Hitler's Nazis to attack Canada before sending troops to fight in the Second World War.

    He quoted King's words directly: "We cannot defend our country and save our homes and families by waiting for our enemies to attack us. To remain on the defensive is the surest way to bring the war to Canada."

    Bush also took the opportunity to deliver a rebuke to the United Nations, and suggest it and other multinational institutions should be reformed.

    "The objective of the UN and other institutions must be collective security, not endless debate," said the American president. "For the sake of peace, when those bodies promise serious consequences, serious consequences must follow."

    Canada Urged to Join Bush's Crusade

    So lets see...  lecture Canada that it has a duty to do more on the WOT (what exactly does he envision us doing more of?) and then takes a shot at the UN, in a country that is known for priding itself at doing things multilaterally..

    Yup... the trip sure is a sign of a reconciliation tour (sarcasm).

    Our hopes are high. Our faith in the people is great. Our courage is strong. And our dreams for this beautiful country will never die. - Pierre Trudeau

    by tribe34 on Wed Dec 01, 2004 at 09:16:18 AM PST

    •  Weird (none)
      Bush raised the example of a former prime minister, William Lyon Mackenzie King, who did not wait for Hitler's Nazis to attack Canada before sending troops to fight in the Second World War.

      This is surreal coming from the leader of a country that DID wait until Hitler declared war on it before sending troops to fight in the Second World War.

      I can't decide whether Bush is really that stupid, or whether he's just maliciously fucking with our heads.

      "Salvation is by way of the truth, not by way of the fatherland" -- Chaadaev

      by sagesource on Wed Dec 01, 2004 at 09:46:26 AM PST

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  •  Royalists (none)
    Funny how, early on, Canada was the royalist/loyalist alternative to the democratic USA -- and 200 years or so later, the poles have switched.
  •  Another protest in Ottawa this morning (none)
    Protesters stormed the lobby of the Chateau Laurier and outside burned an efigy of Bush

    linked text

    Protesters were also out early in Ottawa, in the midst of a snowstorm, to make their presence felt before Bush's departure from the capital region at about 8:30 a.m. EST.

    As many as 120 demonstrators scuffled with Ottawa police early Wednesday, surrounding a limousine being used by the American delegation.

    The group, whose numbers were matched by the same number of police officers, gathered in front of the city's Chateau Laurier hotel.

    Bush was not at the hotel. He passed the night at the official residence of U.S. Ambassador to Canada Paul Cellucci.

    The motorcade eventually got through and left for the airport in blustery, snowy weather.

    The protesters then burned Bush in effigy in front of the hotel.

  •  I think we are witnessing in Canada (none)
    what civilized people do when they actually get the truth from their news organizations. I think we need to start a movement of spitting on the sidewalk whenever any of us sees a news personality on television to give them the message that we don't respect what they (don't) do.

    So what you're saying is by not paying a union wage, by lowering the wages of those workers - you can cut my taxes - Terri Gross to Grover Norquist

    by The past is over on Wed Dec 01, 2004 at 11:09:29 AM PST

    •  ew. rude. (none)
      how about something for those of us who don't spit. Can I just make a "ptew" noise? Or actually say "I spit on your mockery of journalism?"

      "i'll show them! i'll prove that i can be hardcore!" Bubbles

      by Lexicon on Wed Dec 01, 2004 at 08:01:57 PM PST

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