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Franklin County totals are inaccurate

by bonobo

Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 10:24:49 AM PDT

Franklin County, OH has posted the vote totals by precinct here.

In the Gahanna 1-B precinct, Bush is credited with 4285 votes out of 638 votes cast. This pads his numbers here by almost 4000. There are also 87 write-in votes, which is way out of line with the typical precinct, and the absentee ballots appear to have been counted twice, or the wrong totals given for half of them (reported at the very end of the document).

If anyone else can go over these totals, or try to find out if this happened in other counties, I'd be very appreciative. [Update] The Dispatch has a story posted below. However, there is still the matter of the absentee votes. They are on page 34 of the Franklin County PDF. The Dispatch did not mention these, but did mention that no other errors were found. Furthermore, the "corrected" totals involve changing Bush's numbers AND the write-in numbers, but leaving Kerry's numbers unchanged. I was pretty much willing to let this go, but I'm starting to get even more suspicious than I was yesterday. [Update] I have sent the following email to the Franklin County BOE: -------------------------------------------------- I'm having some difficulty interpreting the posted results of the Nov. 2 election. Rather than engage in irresponsible speculation, I was hoping that you could tell me what the difference between "Absentee 1" and "Absentee 2" is in the results, why the votes are separated in this way, etc. I know that this is an extremely busy time for you right now, but a number of people are poring over these results and it would be nice to spread truth rather than rumor, Thank you, -------------------------------------------------- Absentee 1 is a bin with 20680 ballots cast. These went 10158-10025 for Bush. Absentee 2 is a bin with 20680 ballots cast. These went 10159-10025 for Bush. Both bins are counted in the total. I just want to know what's up.

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  •  nice catch (none / 0)

    obviously an error.  Not sure that it appears in any other precincts though.

    by seamus on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 10:28:39 AM PDT

    •  hmmmm... (none / 1)

      look....i WANT to believe that election was stolen, but i need proof.

      this was the 1st catch -- but it accounts for 4000 votes.

      i'm sure the kerry group had access to these #'s & the lawyers were looking for any angle -- their lawyers after all.

      so, if we could get a # of these 4000 votes together to add up to a Kerry win FROM INDEPENDENT & PROBABLY GOVERNMENT SOURCES then we better do it quick.

      otherwise, it's over.

      either way, i do hope they continue to count the votes & fight for every vote -- we deserve no less.

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      Bush, What Price Did You Pay?

      by krazypuppy on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 10:41:32 AM PDT

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      •  yes (none / 0)

        4,000 isn't enough.  But remember, there are some 250,000 uncounted ballots in Ohio.  We expect those to lean towards Kerry so the real gap isn't 140,000.  IN any case, it is now 4,000 votes closer unless there is some other explanation for this.

        I wouldn't assume that Kerry's guys caught this.  There are a lot of numbers to crunch and they weren't the only ones looking at these but this is the first we've seen these.

        by seamus on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 10:51:46 AM PDT

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      •  I would not assume (none / 0)

        anything about what the Kerry campaign might have looked into. I think they saw 140k votes against them and decided to give up

        by fabacube on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 11:02:57 AM PDT

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    •  obviously an error.....but not isolated (none / 0)

      I'm busy playing catchup today, so I don't know if I have time to pore over all 144 pages of the .pdf, but the error in Gahanna 1-B is not
      "just a typo"; notice that the total in 1B is rolled  up in the total for all of Gahanna.  If these prelims are part of the total being reported for Franklin Co. to the SecState and the AP, there's about 4K of Bush's lead gone.  THIS REALLY COULD BE BIG, if it's not an isolated case, at the statewide level.  Greg Palast thinks Diebold did it http://www.tompaine.com/articles/kerry_won_.php
      but that may be harder to prove.  Go Bev Harris in your efforts to try to prove Greg's hypothesis!  Still, any chance of fixing the possible miscall of Ohio is dependent, not on Kerry (alas) or the DNC "leadership", but on grassroots efforts by people like us!  If any Buckeye Kossacks know the local ropes, can you get people on the ground poring over stuff like this pronto, so it can be brought to light?!?!?!?!
      PLEASE!  The world is begging us not to give up.  We run a B&B in Wash.  State, and just got an e-mail from guests from Switzerland who stayed with us in July, called "Switzerland in Grief".  

      "I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." --Thomas Jefferson

      by penncove on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 11:28:27 AM PDT

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  •  worked there. alarming. (none / 0)

    i worked out of the franklin co hq for the final 8 days. this is alarming. wonder if anyone else is reviewing these? also wonder if there's an explanation for the inaccuracies that we're missing.

    by rugbyrooki on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 10:28:43 AM PDT

  •  If Kerry Did Not Concede... (none / 0)

    We might have had a shot at getting these issues to the surface.

    From Greg Palast:

    "Bush won Ohio by 136,483 votes. Typically in the United States, about 3 percent of votes cast are voided--known as "spoilage" in election jargon--because the ballots cast are inconclusive. Palast's investigation suggests that if Ohio's discarded ballots were counted, Kerry would have won the state. Today,  the Cleveland Plain Dealer reports  there are a total of 247,672 votes not counted in Ohio, if you add the 92,672 discarded votes plus the 155,000 provisional ballots."

    http://www.tompaine.com/articles/kerry_won.php

    Any party that would lie to start a war would also steal an election.

    by landrew on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 10:31:16 AM PDT

    •  Concession is not legally binding. (4.00 / 3)

      It made him look like a statesman while the vote is still being counted.

      And it allowed Bush to say all those things about getting behind the pres ... whicj will work in the Dem's favor when/if things change.

      Edwards told us that it wasn't over until every vote was counted.

      If the numbers do give Kerry Ohio, he's won.

      That's what you have to get out to everyone.

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      by Bionic on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 10:47:57 AM PDT

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    •  I tried to to check Cuyahoga County (none / 0)

      All I found was 12,953 undervotes.  Cuyahoga went 67% for Kerry, so in a hanging chad recount that might be another net 4000 votes, assuming they are discernable.

      Actually, they could be under- or over-votes.  They were ballots cast that didn't go to a candidate.  This represents about 2% of the ballots, and could be "undecideds," too.

      I think I MAY NEED A BATHroom break?

      by marchmoon on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 02:45:10 PM PDT

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    •  Hm. (none / 0)

      I scratch my head over this number because not all 247,672 would go to Kerry. If they split evenly, that's 123,836 votes for each candidate. The vote does not change. If they split 75% for Kerry, he gets 185,754 and Junior 61,918. This makes a net gain of 123,836 for Kerry, who would need 136,483 (if the recent +4000 votes extra for Bush are removed, 132K instead), leaving him short. It's highly unlikely Kerry would get even 75% of those ballots, is it not?

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      by Decih on Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 01:27:18 AM PDT

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  •  How were these cast? (none / 0)

    On a Diebold machine?

    60% is 6 of 10 in a focus group. Change 1 mind, it's a dead heat. Change 2, it's a landslide. This campaign's a mechanism of persuasion. -WW

    by ssg012 on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 10:33:49 AM PDT

  •  4,000 (none / 0)

    is a good total of votes.  I went through about twelve more pages with no new findings (pages 9 to 21).  I thought there was a slight discrepancy in Columbus 45 but I was wrong after further review.  But it only takes a handful of these types of discrepancies to screw up the results in OH.

    by seamus on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 10:36:56 AM PDT

  •  What Page? (none / 0)

    I can't find what you're talking about.  Please let us know what page of the document it is on.  

    Voting rights are our most important rights because all the other ones depend on them

    by markusd on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 10:38:58 AM PDT

  •  I checked the rest of the document (none / 0)

    Asside from the noted problem this county seems to be square.  Not that there was no additional fraud, just that is is not obvious from this document.  Although the absentee ballots are quite strange.

    look at absentee 1 and absentee 2.

    Absentee 1 seems to include the ballots that include a congressional vote while absentee 2 does not include any congressinoal votes.

    Yet the number of votes for absentee 1 and absentee 2 are exactly the same.  Same number of votes for Kerry, same number of votes for Peroutka.  Bush and Badnarik traded one vote between the sets.  Similarly, The democrat and republican senator traded one vote between the sets.

    it is on page 34 if you care.

    Regards,
    Jamie

    --jamie "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism" - Thomas Jefferson

    by jamie ahmad on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 11:38:56 AM PDT

  •  It was reported into the Ohio totals (none / 0)

    234196 votes for Bush in Franklin county according to the franklin pdf as well as the ohio results here:

    http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/results/2004/gen/pres.htm

    I checked the Ohio site for county numbers to see if there were any counties that had more votes for president than total votes.  None of them (including Franklin) did.  This means nothing.  In Franklin's case there were 7000 total people that did not vote for president.  4000 of those were absorbed by the fraud and it appears that 3000 votes were not cast.

    Regards,
    Jamie

    --jamie "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism" - Thomas Jefferson

    by jamie ahmad on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 11:50:22 AM PDT

  •  I was in Columbus (4.00 / 6)

    on Election Day.  I was a voter protection precinct captain.  Two precincts voted at my polling place (Indian Mound Recreation Center, 3901 Parsons Avenue in Columbus):  49-A and 49-F.  I was there all day from 6:15 a.m. to about 7:45 p.m., with a half hour break for a McDonald's run.

    The precinct was described to me as very Democratic, but with a mixed white and black population.  I was wearing a ton of Kerry/Edwards buttons, stickers, etc., including one big button planted right on the middle of my hat.  I was greeted very warmly by the vast majority of people there.  My general thought was that if the first reaction from people was a smile, they were for Kerry/Edwards, if it was a frown or a glare, they were for Bush or just hostile.

    About 65-70% of the reactions were very friendly.  A lot of encouragement (it was cold and wet virtually all day), a lot of thanks for coming to Ohio, etc., etc.  One old guy cursed at me and called me a devil, but that was really it for negativity.  There were about five K/E buttons for every Bush one.  There were about 7 K/E bumper stickers for every Bush one.

    So imagine my surprise when I saw the vote totals:

    49-A  Bush 274, Kerry 266
    49-F  Bush 389, Kerry 339

    Now I know people can be friendly and then vote for the other guy, but I'm not a complete moron.  I deal with clients every day, and I know a thing or two about how to read them and figure out what they're thinking.  And I refuse to believe that these are accurate vote totals.  Either the books are completely cooked, or the machines were fucked up.  Period.

    There is simply no way that a majority of the voters I saw on Tuesday voted for Bush.

    by jsmdlawyer on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 01:19:10 PM PDT

    •  Oh and another thing (4.00 / 4)

      the 4:00 vote counts were 470 for 49-A and 502 for 49-F (I personally counted the list).  The final vote counts were 550 and 745, according to the Franklin County web site.  That means only 80 people voted after 4:00 in 49-A and 243 in 49-F.

      That's not possible, for several reasons.  First, the lines were basically equal for both precincts all day, and they were long.  At 4:30, when I checked the 4:00 voter lists, there were more than 80 people in line for 49-A, and there had been voting for 30 minutes since the list went up.  That's not to mention the continuing flow of voters into the voting place after 4:30.  While it tailed off between 6:30 and 7:30 (the weather got truly awful early in the evening), the line was still outside the gymnasium door for both precincts at 7:45 when I left.  There were at least 150-200 people still in line when I left.

      Something smells like shit here.

      by jsmdlawyer on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 01:26:09 PM PDT

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      •  If you were outside, (none / 0)

        you probably can't be sure how many people had to vote provisional ballots.  Am I correct in assuming that those aren't in the totals, since they aren't "votes" until they are verified?

        Noy suggesting the election was fair and square...just applying Occam's razor.

        "Same shit, Different Nixon." - Driftglass

        by roxtar on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 05:10:36 PM PDT

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        •  Good point (none / 0)

          I was outside.  However, I was in constant contact with the Democratic lawyer "inside" (I even brought him some McDonalds for lunch).  He told me at about 5:00 that only about 20 provos were voted.

          by jsmdlawyer on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 06:04:29 PM PDT

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          •  We counted and tallied provisionals (none / 0)

            The report sheets were faxed to the Boilerroom down at the Coleman HQ. If you want to doublecheck on this, that number should be available.

            Sincerely-
            Reynoldsburg 1-C and 2-A

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            by histopresto on Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 06:37:54 AM PDT

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  •  I've called the Dems and the Dispatch (4.00 / 3)

    I've reposted the info on the open thread, which I'm sure is a no-no, but I really want this followed up. I was volunteering for a 527 in Columbus, and the reason I pored over the totals was to see how the precincts I canvassed ended up voting. Some of the totals seem strange to me, too, but nothing that is so obvious as the Gahanna and absentee votes.

    Anyone can blog local races. Anyone can raise money.

    by bonobo on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 01:31:58 PM PDT

  •  If it was not stated allready (4.00 / 2)

    The error was on the number of votes for bush not the number of votes cast.  This is because the Senate race numbers agree with the number of votes cast.

    Regards,
    Jamie

    --jamie "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism" - Thomas Jefferson

    by jamie ahmad on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 01:35:16 PM PDT

  •  i wonder (none / 0)

    if it's possible this happened in another closely contested state....

    by thekidwvu on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 03:06:19 PM PDT

    •  Yes, New Mexico (none / 1)

      Yes, New Mexico, where I was volunteering.

      If you were/are in a swing state, please download & archive any official election data you can find.

      For that matter, do it for every state, even if not swing -- GOP may have padded the popular vote in Texas and other states where they have even more control.

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      by ivote2004 on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 08:06:27 PM PDT

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  •  35,000 more (3.75 / 4)

    I just added up all the precincts in Butler county and the totals that I got are:

    BUSH: 84,707
    Kerry: 67,302

    The report from Butler as well as the Ohio SOS is:

    BUSH:  106,735
    Kerry:  54,185

    That is a net difference for Kerry of 35,000

    Checking two counties we have knocked off 40,000 votes.

    100,000 more to go.  At this rate, 6 more counties and we are done.

    Ok, here is the Ohio SOS figures:

    http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/results/2004/gen/pres.htm

    here is the butler county figures:
    http://www.butlercountyelections.org/pdf/canvas.pdf

    note that the butler county figures are very user unfriendly.  The data for each precinct is across multiple lines.  The formating of each line changes from time to time.  There are some "roll ups" where precincts reported are rolled up into other classifications (these must be deleted) and there are random inserts of different districts, like State house districts.  Everything except precincts must be deleted.  It is a bitch to do.  Took me about 2 hours, but well worth it.

    In the end I have less votes for BUSH and More votes for Kerry.  The total votes are about the same.  I don't think I double counted.

    Some one please double check me!!

    Regards,
    Jamie

    --jamie "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism" - Thomas Jefferson

    by jamie ahmad on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 03:07:30 PM PDT

  •  Does anybody know (none / 0)

    At what point does an automatic recount kick in?

    When are they REQUIRED to count the provisional ballots?

    I think I MAY NEED A BATHroom break?

    by marchmoon on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 03:18:40 PM PDT

  •  You're already close to winning the state. (none / 0)

    Someone who has the media and dnc knowhow needs to consider getting the information about the 35,000 and 4,000 vote count errors out there pronto.  This lowers the gap to 97,000, very close to the range of what is likely to be overcome by the provisional ballots.  If the provisionals go to Kerry at the rate that the 2000 provisionals went to Gore, then the provisionals lower the margin by almost exactly 97,000.  

    Add some Bush lawyers to the mix, and it would be worthwhile to find as many more tabulation errors as possible. But even if another 10,000 or 15,000 are found, if they are there to be found, that should at least be enough once the provisionals are done to get us into automatic recount territory.

    But it's important to get word of the errors that are already known out there, in order that this not come out of the blue on an untrusting public.

    by BleacherBum153 on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 04:55:21 PM PDT

  •  Obviously there are a lot of data to look over (none / 0)

    Perhaps it would be wise to divide up the data for Ohio's various counties so that we can look over it more efficiently.

    by NonemptySubset on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 05:27:08 PM PDT

  •  Download & archive all data; web not permanent (none / 0)

    Download & archive all data; dont depend on URLs being stable.  

    In other words, even if unscrupulous officials delete the data or change the data that has been available at a given URL, we want to have our own snapshots of what had already been posted.

    Let's catch them in the lie, and document it well.

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    by ivote2004 on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 08:02:24 PM PDT

  •  Please report this on the Kerry website (none / 0)

    They have set up an online form for reporting vote irregularities and complaints.

    It's the evote folks.

    4,000 here, 4,000 there and you have a winner.

    A single county in NC reported they "lost" 4,500 evotes on a single machine.

    http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041104/ap_on_el_pr/voting_problems

    Be The Media

    by wild salmon on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 10:01:53 PM PDT

  •  Gahanna 1-B (none / 0)

    A total of 602 votes were cast in the election for senator.  My best guess on the presidential totals is that GWB's total should be 425, not 4258.  Including the 260 received by Kerry, this adds up to 685.  Still, hard to believe that 83 people out of 685 would skip voting for senator.

    Yes, in fact, I do drive a Volvo.

    by KTinOhio on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 10:06:06 PM PDT

  •  Wow (none / 0)

    Do all counties report per-precinct results?  Not all states require their counties to do that.  Some counties release the data and then hide it again.  We should collect this data for all counties asap and then get in touch with the Democratic precinct captains and poll workers to see how the numbers match up...

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    by tunesmith on Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 01:34:51 AM PDT

  •  The Ohio Democratic party is on this. (4.00 / 3)

    Here is a letter that I got from them.  I will attempt for the first time to do the nice block quote:


    DIspatch story in Today's paper:

    In one precinct, Bush's tally was supersized by a computer glitch
    Friday, November 05, 2004
    Jim Woods
    THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

    A computer error involving one voting-machine cartridge gave President Bush 3,893 extra votes in a Gahanna precinct.

    Franklin County's unofficial results gave Bush 4,258 votes to Democratic challenger John Kerry's 260 votes in Precinct 1B, which votes at New Life Church on Stygler Road. Records show only 638 voters cast ballots in that precinct.

    Matthew Damschroder, director of the Franklin County Board of Elections, said Bush received 365 votes there.

    The remaining 13 voters who cast ballots either voted for other candidates or did not vote for president.

    Damschroder said he received some calls yesterday from people who saw the error when reading the list of poll results on the election board's Web site.

    "It's why the results on election night are unofficial," Damschroder said.

    The error would have been discovered when the official canvass for the election is performed, he said.

    Election workers will start certifying the official election results later this month. The final, official tally will be available by the end of the month.

    This is what happened, Damschroder said:

    Gahanna Precinct 1B has three voting machines. After the polling station closed, the cartridges were taken to a computerized reading station.

    When one of the cartridges from the precinct was plugged into a reader, it generated the faulty number.

    The reader also recorded zero votes in the race between Arlene Shoemaker and Paula Brooks for county commissioner.

    Damschroder said the cartridge was retested yesterday and there were no problems. He couldn't explain why the computer reader malfunctioned.

    When workers checked the cartridge against memory banks in the voting machine yesterday, each showed that 115 people voted for Bush on that machine. With the other two machines, the total for Bush in the precinct added up to 365 votes.

    So far, Damschroder said, no other problems have surfaced.

    When election workers do the official canvass, all cartridges from voting machines are rechecked.


    and the democratic party director wrote me:

    Jamie,

    We will be asking our local Democratic officials to look for similar errors. We usually have a number of changes from the unofficial to the official count, but  they generally are errors that tend to balance out. Nevertheless, we will review the unofficial tallies for possible errors. Thank you once again for your efforts.

    David L. Duffey
    Director of Operations
    Ohio Democratic Party

    Again, I am sorry for all the people that may have wasted time on my 35,000 vote dead end.  but the 4,000 vote error seems to be getting corrected.  The Democratic party of Ohio will be checking others.  That is their job.

    Regards,
    Jamie

    --jamie "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism" - Thomas Jefferson

    by jamie ahmad on Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 06:12:01 AM PDT

    •  Jamie, I know you feel bad (none / 0)

      But you went to a whole lot of effort to check this. I know how hard it was to clean up the Butler data. You got the Dems and the Dispatch to respond to you, whereas they pretty much brushed me off. I asked for help, you helped, I appreciate it.

      Anyone can blog local races. Anyone can raise money.

      by bonobo on Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 07:26:22 AM PDT

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    •  Gold star. (none / 0)

      This is translating information into action at its finest, and it's one of the key reasons I have continued to hang on here at dKos through all the "Dean or Bust" mania, through all the "Shut the Fuck up" mania, and everything else.

      For every hundred diaries shedding real light on a subject of important (without mentioning the thousands that don't), we still only see one or two in which someone picks up the phone or gets out of their chair and does something about it.

      Yours is one of those, and I thank you for doing it.

      I love reading the dKos, but I don't know how much longer I can stand reading comments that merely mouth the words, "someone ought to do something about this."

      Waste more of your day at The Next Hurrah.

      by Kagro X on Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 08:22:44 AM PDT

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    •  I appreciate it too (none / 0)

      I was discouraged about wading through all that data, but you inspired me to be more diligent.

      I think I MAY NEED A BATHroom break?

      by marchmoon on Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 08:30:36 AM PDT

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  •  RE: Your update (none / 0)

    I don't know that I understand.

    Was there a problem with Kerry's numbers?  Removing the absentee votes will remove a net 134 votes from Bush.  A similar mistake in all 88 counties would be about 12,000 votes.  Not enough to make a difference.  Still, they could add up.  We need to keep working.

    Tell us more about your suspicions.

    These are unofficial, and hopefully they will catch more of these mistakes before the results are certified.  But you are right, we will have to be ready when they are certified.  We will only have a few days to contest them.

    Is there going to be any audit of the voting machines to see that the reported results match the backup results (if there are any) in memory?

    That is what I am more suspicious of.

    I think I MAY NEED A BATHroom break?

    by marchmoon on Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 10:26:46 AM PDT

    •  The point of my update (none / 0)

      All along, I've thought that the computer error explanation that they gave was the most likely explanation. When the story finally broke nationally, I was ready to go back and catch up on everything that I blew off yesterday to pursue this. Then, I read the story, and the quote was:
      "So far, Damschroder said, no other problems have surfaced." And I thought, that's strange, because even though the absentee thing is only a couple hundred votes, it seems to be an anomaly that has surfaced already. Then they said that the machine screwed up every vote total except Kerry's. I would find it more believable that Kerry's total decreased, than to find out that it, alone, was accurate. There might be simple explanations for these things, too. I just want to know what they are.

      Anyone can blog local races. Anyone can raise money.

      by bonobo on Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 10:43:32 AM PDT

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      •  clarification (none / 0)

        Not every vote total: The write-in vote for president, and one entire house race. It is unclear whether or not any of the other presidential candidates (Badnarik, Peroutka) vote totals were affected.

        Anyone can blog local races. Anyone can raise money.

        by bonobo on Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 10:58:15 AM PDT

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      •  OK (none / 0)

        That is true.

        They are probably blowing off anything that is below 1,000 votes as insignificant.  They shouldn't.  100 votes here, 17 votes in Butler County, above...

        The 4000 votes was a great catch, but it seems isolated at this point.  Too bad.  I am glad you are not giving up yet.

        I am not ready to, either.

        I think I MAY NEED A BATHroom break?

        by marchmoon on Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 11:07:20 AM PDT

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  •  There is a paper trail (none / 1)

    Fortunately, Franklin County is one of the few places in Ohio that already uses a paper-trail system.
    http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/11/02/biz_biz2a.html

    by MrGeneHa on Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 11:25:01 AM PDT

  •  Totally OT (none / 0)

    This is totally off topic, but I just wanted to say I think your pseudo is great.

    I'm sure you know this already, but for those who don't, bonobos are great apes that are very similar to chimps (some classify them a subspecies of chimps, some classify them as a different species--I'm not sure which is right). They have very different social structures and behaviors, though. Chimps are typically very patriarchal and violent, while bonobos have a much more equal social structure and make love, not war (seriously, they have virtual ape-orgies).

    This a perfect name for a democrat in opposition to Bush, the chimp.

    Bravo, and thanks for your work on this voter fraud issue.

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    by mrboma on Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 01:30:48 PM PDT

    •  Thank you very much (none / 0)

      You've got it exactly right.
      Now, if anyone wants to have some on-topic fun, 'Power' posted the raw Cuyahoga canvass on another diary. the link is here. There are strange votes for Badnarik and Peroutka in some precincts, but what I find interesting is the turnout figures. Either we really f'ed up GOTV, the registration rolls are wrong, provisional ballots aren't counted in turnout, or something's wrong.

      0205 BEACHWOOD E     29.73     106-13
      0210 BEACHWOOD J     34.20     200-47
      1604 CLEVELAND 2D    39.92 .    99-4
      1614 CLEVELAND 2N    35.63 . .     94-22
      1903 CLEVELAND 5C    28.97     195-29
      1904 CLEVELAND 5D    39.45     243-7
      1907 CLEVELAND 5G    39.13     415-14
      1910 CLEVELAND 5J    32.91     127-20
      1912 CLEVELAND 5L    35.06     218-9
      1913 CLEVELAND 5M    39.04     406-8

      every precinct I've come across with a sub 40% turnout went overwhelmingly Kerry. Hopefully someone here can find the next actual smoking gun. (p.s. the turnout figures and votes are listed in separate places in this huge document).

      Anyone can blog local races. Anyone can raise money.

      by bonobo on Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 01:43:36 PM PDT

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      •  I feel a sudden urge to go buy Catcher in the Rye (none / 0)

        I just posted a new diary with a rudimentary statistical analysis of the correlation between turnout and kerry percentage across precincts in cuyahoga county. After finding a real piece of worthwhile data yesterday (and thanks to all y'all who've pointed out that I found it), I think I've gotten a hardy boys complex. I think it's time for me to take a step back. Happy hunting.

        Anyone can blog local races. Anyone can raise money.

        by bonobo on Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 03:02:26 PM PDT

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