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Kerry is no Nixon or Reagan

Tue Nov 09, 2004 at 04:57:36 PM PDT

The cat's out of the bag.  Rumors have been flying for the past few days that Kerry is planning to run again in 2008, and now Cam Kerry has come out and publicly acknowledged that it is "conceivable" that Kerry will run in 2008.  I've actually heard, from a close friend of mine who worked on the Kerry campaign, that Kerry told him that he is "strongly keeping that option open."  Kerry mentioned to my friend that Ronald Reagan ran three times for the Presidency before he won, and sounded like he was leaning towards another run.

To my surprise, now that the speculation is public, apparently most people want Kerry to run again.  Kos said that he hopes that Kerry won't run in 2008, but most of the comments went the other way.

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Personally, I think Kos is right--Kerry had his chance and lost.  I don't think he was the best candidate--he's not as charismatic or warm as Clinton or Edwards, his long record in the Senate was a weakness, he's from Massachusetts (easy to parody), and he's somewhat aloof.  Plus if we nominate Kerry again, we're nominating someone who has already been the target of hundreds of millions of dollars of negative advertising--he's been defined by the Repugs already.  Far better to start over with a clean slate.

To their credit, the "Kerry in 2008" supporters had a compelling argument for a second Kerry run--the same one that Kerry himself made to my friend.  Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan both lost tough battles for the Presidency and came back to win, the argument goes, so why not John Kerry?

The answer is simple:  Kerry is no Nixon or Reagan.

I don't mean this simply in the flippant "he's not as good of a politican" way.  I mean that Kerry's present situation is far different than the situation that Nixon and Reagan were in, if you look back at history.  Let's take a look:

First, while it's true that Ronald Reagan ran for President twice (1968, 1976) before he won in 1980, he never won the party's nomination until 1980, when he won the Presidency.  In 1968, Reagan belatedly threw his hat in the ring for the Republican nomination, but he wasn't really a serious challenger--he had barely been in office for a year, and Nixon had already won most of the primaries by that point.  In 1976, Reagan mounted a very serious challenge for the nomination--against a sitting President, Gerald Ford, and almost won.  Reagan's success in 1976 set up his 1980 run and eventual victory over Carter.

Reagan's story doesn't suggest anything about John Kerry's chances after losing a tough race against Bush.  The right parallel would be:  if Reagan had narrowly lost to Jimmy Carter, would he be a viable candidate in 1984?  That's the situation Kerry is in right now, and I doubt the Republicans would have wanted to try again with someone who couldn't beat an unpopular President like Carter.

As for Nixon, the parallel is closer there, because Nixon did narrowly lose to Kennedy in the 1960 election and come back to win in 1968.  How did he do it?  Well for one thing, the Republican Party was dejected after one of the worst losses in American history--LBJ wiped the floor with Goldwater, winning 486 electoral votes.  The Republicans were divided, with the Rockefeller and Goldwater factions battling it out.  No one wanted to face Johnson in 1968, at least at first--Nixon was the only major candidate in the race by the time the New Hampshire primary rolled around.

Of course the results of the 1968 New Hampshire Democratic primary are what everyone remembers--Eugene McCarthy almost beat Johnson, who decided not to run for re-election.  With Johnson out of the race, a Republican victory looked possible, but by the time Reagan and Rockefeller entered the race, Nixon had already won most of the primaries and the race was effectively over.  Nixon got the nomination for the same reason that Clinton got it in 1992--most of the perceived "big guns" sat out.

Nixon got lucky in the general election, too.  The Democratic Party was bitterly divided, and news coverage of the Democratic Convention focused on the protests and police brutality.  More importantly, George Wallace left the Democratic Party and launched a successful third-party bid that took 46 electoral votes and 12.9% of the vote from Humphrey.  Even with Wallace's help, Nixon only beat Humphrey by less than one percent of the vote (43.4% to 42.3%)--one of the closest elections in U.S. history.

Nixon, I think, is the exception that proves the rule.  For Kerry to follow in Nixon's shoes, all of the leading Dems would have to sit out of the race, leaving the nomination to Kerry ... who faces a Republican Party that suddenly implodes from within.  I can only wish!

Most likely, we'll be facing a Republican Party that's as strong (and evil) as ever.  If that's the case, we're going to need a better candidate.  To everyone who is enthusiastic about Kerry in 2008, why?  I voted for him, donated to him, and worked for him, but let's face it--we can do better.  Kerry's not particularly charismatic, and he appeared aloof and was hard for most Americans to relate to.  Plus he has that long record in the Senate and is from a state that is easy to parody.  Why not give someone like Mark Warner or Bill Richardson or even John Edwards a look?  Kerry is an okay backup plan, maybe, but I can't be enthusiastic about him as a first or even second choice.

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  •  No need to get Kerry'ed away (none / 0)

    I concur that Kerry wouldn't be a particularly strong cadidate in 2008. But I think that will be plainly obvious to most voters in the Democratic primary next time around if he runs.
  •  I was enthusiastic about Kerry (none / 0)

    so I don't mind if he ran again.  But a lot can happen in 3-4 years.  We probably have to wait and see how things pan out.

    I'll be keeping an open mind though.  The choice might become obvious between now and then by the actions and passion exhibited by that individual whoever he/she may be.

  •  I think he is better than either of those men (none / 0)

    I spoke to my grandmother this afternoon.  She voted for Bush in spite of my pleas and entreaties.  She says if Kerry were to run again, she would vote for him and she hopes he'd win.  She'd want to him to have 'his turn'.

    That now makes three Bush voters in my immediate circle.

    This is only anecdotal, but I believe it taps into Americans' fundamental conservatism.  They were getting to know John Kerry, they were getting to like John Kerry.  They were afraid to vote for him.

    Nixon was not popular with the Republican "base" so much as he was respected.  John Kerry is respected.  He is a statesmen.  

    But I remain open to his run with a gladdened heart.

    Stephanie Dray
    of Jousting for Justice, a lefty blog with a Maryland tilt.

    by stephdray on Tue Nov 09, 2004 at 05:02:24 PM PDT

    •  One of the things we had to run against (4.00 / 2)

      this year that we wouldn't have had 9/11 not happen is the comfortability factor.  The fact that people knew GWB (good or bad) worked in his favor, because of the electorate stockholm syndrome (of course, that Americans don't vote out incumbant war Presidents probably worked against us too).  When Kerry got free media (conventions and debates), he always polled better afterwards and people were getting more comfortable with him as time went on.  
  •  Reply (none / 0)

    I like Kerry and right now he does have my vote in the 2008 Primary. BUT...my mind can change if the right candidate comes along and inspires me more and has more to offer than Kerry.

    I love Mark Warner, but he has to show us what he's got to offer us. He has to show that he's able to stand up and put up a fight, etc. So I guess...let the best man win.

  •  NOOOO!!! From a Kerry supporter (none / 0)

    Hey, I even gave the guy money and I don't normally give to candidates.

    But if Kerry couldn't win against George W...I just don't think he can do it.

    He needs to clear the path for others...Edwards, Obama, even Hillary or Chris Dodd.

    Please, please Kerry we love you, but don't put us through this again...

    "The revolution's just an ethical haircut away..." Billy Bragg

    by grannyhelen on Tue Nov 09, 2004 at 05:05:44 PM PDT

  •  Fortunately... (none / 1)

    ...we have about three years before then.  Unless someone said we had to decide this week, and forgot to IM me about it?

    I admire Kerry, and would vote for him again.  I think he'd make an outstanding president.  BUT, losing candidates rarely come back, for the simple reason that they often carry the stigma of "loser" with them.  And one of the admitted problems with Kerry is that he's a Massachusetts liberal.  I like that, but I think it created barriers to reaching a lot of people (especially the way the GOP played up supposedly "out-of-touch" aspects of his personality.

    Kerry basically won half the electorate this time around, so he obviously appealed to a lot of people.  So I certainly don't think it's reasonable to say "No Way!" to the idea of him running again.  But let's wait a little bit, remember that three years down the road is a long time, and see what happens between now and then.

  •  Guardian confirms rumor (none / 0)

    check out this article:

    Defeated Kerry refuses to go quietly

    "The revolution's just an ethical haircut away..." Billy Bragg

    by grannyhelen on Tue Nov 09, 2004 at 05:09:42 PM PDT

  •  "I told you so" (4.00 / 2)

    kerry will definitely have the "I told you so" advantage. he can list all the things the republicans said and promised this year and call them on not doing them. he can lambast them as flip-floppers, etc.
  •  I personally believe that in the end (none / 1)

    he will choose not to run (unless of course, there are no other viable candidates).  

    I just think that some of these stories are being used to push Kerry as the public face of the Dems (as much as it may be to test public opinion for Kerry in '08), while Reid/Durbin deal with the floor manuvering.  Let's face it, as the minority party, we need a visible face to fight for this side....might as well be Kerry.  The Dem. Party may need to be reborn again and may need a new leader, but Kerry's the best guy for being the public face of the Dems for the foreseeable future.

    If Kerry is actually thinking about '08, well...
    There was some really positive polling for Kerry regarding the election...it suggested that 55 million was not Kerry's ceiling.  The more that I read about the odds of a challenger winning against an incumbant war President (never happens: http://www.thehill.com/mellman/110204.aspx), the more I feel that Kerry has ground to legitimately run again in '08 even though he lost this time around.  

    I posted more here: http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2004/11/9/133331/691/167?mode=alone;showrate=1#167

  •  It all depends... (none / 0)

    I would support Kerry over many of the Dems who intend to run.

    But, I would prefer someone new. For instance, I would support Richardson over Kerry.

    I'm one of the biggest Kerry backers on this board, and i do believe in the one and done rule.

    But I'm also cognizant of the fact that we don't have a lot of heavyweights lined up.

    If Richardson or some others don't grab the mantle, I'd rather Kerry take it than Clinton. I'm of two minds with Edwards. Love the message. Very concerned about gravitas.

    Look at these people! They suck each other! They eat each other's saliva and dirt! -- Tsonga people of southern Africa on Europeans kissing.

    by upstate NY on Tue Nov 09, 2004 at 05:25:33 PM PDT

  •  I for one.. (4.00 / 2)

    Would whole-heartedly support Kerry. One, this isn't reality tv, this is reality, and I don't need my president to be 'one of us' or to 'talk like me'. As was said by someone on these boards earlier, I want him to be better than I am, since he's representing my country, me, to the rest of the world. I don't have to like the guy or sit down and have a friggin' beer with him (although I'd love to). I want him to be the best man for the job, and he is.

    Secondly, Kerry is smart. You can bet he's learned a hell of a lot from this race, and with no Rove and no Bush to compete against in '08, I don't see a Rebupilican out there today that can beat him simply because he's a Republican. I believe there are a lot of advanatges for a second Kerry presidential bid. Also, as mentioned above, a lot of those who voted for Bush this time around would more than be willing to vote for Kerry simply for the fact that it won't be Bush running against him, it'll be someone else who's name they may or may not be familiar with, and they'll recognize Kerry. The new Republican runner however will have Bush's republican failures, record, and hopefully no disaster to fall back on for political purposes.

    While he may have a lot of crap to be dredged up against him, he's got the next four years to lay out how to counter it, and not only he knows what will come, but the rest of us will too. Those same attacks will be tiresome to the general population as they've already heard them before. There won't be any nasty 'Swift Boat' type of surprises out there, and that will work hugely in Kerry's favor as well.

    Until someone comes along that shows me that they care as much, have planned and worked their asses off for it as much, Kerry will have my complete support. If Kerry loves this country enough to give the people a second chance to vote for him, I for one am willing to give him a second chance to let him try again.

    John Edwards in 08. Accept no substitutes!

    by Disillusioned on Tue Nov 09, 2004 at 05:38:17 PM PDT

  •  Way too Early (none / 0)

    It's way too early to handicap Kerry's chances in 2008.  Over the next two years, for all we know, he could return to the senate and serve as an effective leader of the opposition.  He could use the experience that he has, and he alone has, to hone the Democratic message and as a result, earn the nomination in 2008.  Point is, the Kerry we nominated in 2004 may not be the same Kerry who may emerge in 2006 as a candidate for the 2008 nomination.  It's impossible to know.

    Kerry grows on you, in my opinion.  He was basically an ABB candidate at the outset, but once the debates rolled around, he took on the image of future president.  He was by most accounts more "presidential" than the president.  

    The man won 55 million votes.  Why count him out?

  •  let's not forget that there is every (none / 0)

    possibility kerry can do something reagan did which has not been mentioned: sew up the nomination early by using the connections he now has and working with the local party organizations. he would then be in a position to call in his chips when the primaries come along.

    before anyone has a heart attack at this thought, let me point out that the idea is emerging that while moral values or terrorism may be the surface reasons being spouted for bush's win, the real issue is the ground game. without a strong, disciplined and united party organization, any new contender would have to be concerned about both name recognition and building the right organization. i am not opposed to having someone in place who has already shown once he can bring out 55 million voters in less than ideal conditions and who, in the next two years, can concentrate on expanding name recognition and putting in place the party apparatus we need to win.

    reinventing ourselves from the outside in, as everyone seems to want to do in this search for a new "narrative," is fine, but you better have a solid mechanism and candidate in place to move that narrative forward if you are serious about winning.  

    We get a lot of advice. We tend to listen when somebody's won something. - Joe Lockhart

    by yankeedoodler on Tue Nov 09, 2004 at 07:10:19 PM PDT

  •  Wouldn't spend five minutes working for a guy (none / 0)

    who I think did EVERYTHING wrong and didn't have the political sense to make it right.  We waited and waited and expected him, at least I did, to show that he has some backbone...but he never did.

    "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis

    by cpa1 on Tue Nov 09, 2004 at 07:13:08 PM PDT

  •  I forgot to say, (none / 0)

    His charisma was fine, it was his stupid strategy that lost it.

    "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis

    by cpa1 on Tue Nov 09, 2004 at 07:14:18 PM PDT

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