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How Democrats should woo Christians

Thu Dec 16, 2004 at 10:45:11 AM PDT

As a Christian, I have struggled hard with trying to understand why so many other Christians are fervent supporters of the Republican party.  (Note: this applies to only Christians who are American citizens.  Whenever you read "Christian", think "Christians who are American citizens")  After much thinking, I think it comes done to the conflict between the scientific community and Genesis chapters 1-11.  Genesis chapters 1-11 have the stories of creation, Adam and Eve, the flood and the tower of Babel.  Chapter 12 begins the history of the Jewish people with Abraham.
Now, it is hard to have a serious study of any topic and not come into conflict with the idea that the world was created in 4004 BC, that all of the earth's land-based species were put into a one large boat and that everyone spoke one language until an act from God.  You can't study biology without evolution.  You can't study geology without accepting that the earth is more than a several thousand years old.  You can't study much history without reading some reference to times earlier than 4004 BC.  It is hard to study a language without hearing a theory about language evolution that runs counter to your beliefs.  Almost every academic field has as it underpinnings something that conflicts with Genesis chapters 1-11.

So what is a Christian to do?  To me, Christian churches should be moving towards an interpretation of Genesis chapters 1-11 that is not completely opposed to modern day scholarship.  However, Christian churches have not done that, leaving individual Christians with the choice of either believing in the Bible or believing in modern scholarship.  Sadly, many Christians are choosing to ignore all modern scholarship.  That means trying to persuade such a Christian on a topic like global warming by talking about the consensus of the scientific community is pointless, because the consensus of the same scientific community is that Genesis chapters 1-11 is nonsense.

How are Christians deciding if something is a good idea if they are ignoring all academic experts?  It seems to me that they are using the "wise elder" approach.  If someone who is a strong Christian and has the status of a wise man says that an idea is good, then it is good.  Take for example the book "Dare to Discipline" by James Dobson.  I read it along with several other child rearing books when my son was young.  To me, I was amazed at how shallow the book is.  It is basically Dr. Dobbs saying, "Raise your kids this way because it is consistent with the bible and because I say so".  He doesn't cite any studies, any theories on child development and when he cites academic experts on child development, it is to mock their theories.  He rarely mentions that he has a Ph.D. in Child Development, served for fourteen years as the Associate Clinical Professor of pediatrics at the USC School of Medicine, and for seventeen years on the attending staff of Children's Hospital of Los Angeles in the division of child development and medical genetics.  Instead, he writes as if everything he suggests comes from common sense, study of the Bible and practical experience.  His style is a hit with the Christian community with his book having sold over 2 million copies since its release in 1970 and is still consider by many Christians as THE reference on child rearing.  As one reviewer on Amazon put it:

These smarmy, self-righteous reviewers who think an occasional spanking will devastate children for life need to get a clue. Certainly corporal punishment can be abused, but that is not what Dr. Dobson is advocating. I am guessing that those giving this book 1 star are: a) not parents b) haven't read the book or c) have children that run all over them. Limited spanking is a tiny part of this book, the focus is on common sense discipline.
If you want children that have tantrums in stores, roll their eyes at you at every opportunitity and end up resenting you trying to be their buddy rather than their parent, then leave this book on the shelf and read Hillary's treatise on child rearing instead(which is working so well with her oft soused daughter in England). If you are open to the common sense rules of parenting that worked well in this country for generations, give Dr. Dobson a try.

To me, the Republicans have embraced this rejection of academic authority.  They are very supportive of Christians who don't want their children taught something in school which contradicts Genesis chapters 1-11.  They have come to reject scientific evidence in favor of moral or religious arguments.  For example, they have supported "abstence only" sex education in schools despite studies that it is less effective than other types of sex education.  They repeatedly perform what I call "public religion", with frequent public professions of their faith.  Because of this support, many Christians think supporting the Republican Party is inherently good and justifies any action.  For example, my wife got on a women's e-mail list and the woman started forwarding to her e-mails citing examples of how evil the Democrats are.  My wife replied to one of these e-mails, "Do you have some link to a reputable source that verifies this story is true?"  The woman was incensed.  "I didn't realize that you weren't a supporter of President Bush....I want you to know that I pray for him every day."  Passing on stories that one doesn't know is true is gossip and as a sin it ranks up there in Paul's letters with sexual immorality.  However, this woman obviously sees passing on uncritically e-mails that criticize Democrats as a moral good.

What the Republicans have really mastered is selling their ideas to Christians by coming up with simple, plausible stories that justify their agenda and repeating them over and over again until they are accepted as truth.  My favorite example is the idea that cutting taxes for the wealthy will cause them to work harder.  How many times have you heard that?  I had a discussion with a well-educated friend the other day and he brought that up.  When I pointed out to him that every Economics text book would say that cutting taxes for the wealthy would result in them working less, he couldn't believe it.  As he had been an IT contractor and paid by the hour (as I still am), it was easy to give him an example.  If I make $200/hour gross and $150/hour net (I wish), then according to economic theory, I work a number of hours in a year that maximizes my utility at the $150/hour rate.  Cutting my taxes would increase my net rate, which would per economic theory lead me to substitute hours of leisure (i.e. vacation time) for hours of work.  I then cited that when we both worked together for a high hourly rate in the late 90's, we both passed on working overtime and took longer vacations.  Now that the rates are much lower, I take overtime whenever I can and am working the week between Christmas and New Years.  My friend had never considered this possibility and had just accepted the Republican story as true.

So, what are the Democrats to do?  What they shouldn't do is cite academic evidence to support their proposals and counter Republican ones.  They are also at a huge disadvantage because many churches have decreed that Republicans are wise elders and Democrats are evil baby killers, so anything Republicans say is generally believed and anything Democrats say is doubted.  What they should do is:

  • Use Republican words against them
  • Challenge the Republicans to show results consistent with their stories
  • Broadly challenge the Republican simple stories
  • Come up with their own simple stories

Use Republican words against them
Every time a Republican brings up making the Bush tax cuts permanent, the Democrats should read this part of the 2000 Republican Party platform:

The Social Security surplus is off-limits, off budget, and will not be touched. We will not stop there, for we are also determined to protect Medicare and to pay down the national debt. Reducing that debt is both a sound policy goal and a moral imperative. Our families and most states are required to balance their budgets; it is reasonable to assume the federal government should do the same.
The Democrats in 2004 should have introduced a non-binding resolution stating that part of the Republican party platform.  Because it is something that the Republicans themselves said, the Democrats don't have to worry about their low credibility.

Challenge the Republicans to show results consistent with their stories
The big example is Kerry should have challenged Bush to produce a plan for Social Security reform that would have created private accounts that wouldn't cut benefits.  Kerry should have said that such a plan was impossible without a huge infusion of general fund tax dollars that (a) we don't have and (b) if put into the current Social Security system would make it solvent forever.  Because Kerry never challenged him, Bush could kept telling his simple story about how privatizing Social Security would save it and put more money in everyone's pockets.

Another example is Bush's promise in 2004 to cut the deficit in half within five years.  Whenever Republicans bring up making the Bush tax cuts permanent, the Democrats should say, "Well, when President Bush and the Republicans make good on their promise to cut the deficit in half, then we can talk about making tax cuts permanent.  The Republicans have yet to show they can meet their promises on financial stewardship."  Again, because the Democrats are using Bush's own words, what they say has instant credibility.

Yet another is the Republican claims to want a simpler tax system.  The tax cuts that they have passed have made the tax code much more complex.  To me, the Democrats should come up with their own very progressive flat tax system and push that forward.  After the Republicans have spent years singing the praises of a simpler tax system, a progressive flat tax system would put them on the defensive.

Broadly challenge the Republican simple stories
One of the Democrats main themes should be, "We are the common sense party and the Republicans are the nonsense party".  If a few of the Republicans' simple stories can be proven false, then Christians' (and every other Americans') faith in their other stories will be shaken.  Keep bringing up really glaring examples of when Republican stories have no basis.  A great example is the Republican claims that the estate tax were forcing families to sell their farms to developers.  The Republicans have backed away from this one, so it is a great one to bash them over the head with.  Other choices are: the 2004 job creation projections, the "Iraqis will greet us as liberators", the "the invasion and occupation of Iraq will cost only a few tens of billions of dollars", etc.  If the Republicans have to start supporting their policies with some facts, they will lose to the Democrats every time.  Bush is a master of some a lot of generalities that can never be disproved, so the Democrats haven't been able to show that he was wrong.  When Bush puts forward a proposal with only a simple story to support it, the Democrats should say "Here we go again!" and bash Bush for his lack of details and facts.

Come up with their own simple stories
The Democrats need to come up with their own simple stories that they summarize what they believe and support their policies instead of the Republican.  The main one I would suggest is saying that if the government helps the working poor, then:

  • crime decreases
  • welfare decreases
  • the standard of living of the middle class increases
  • the economy grows more quickly
They don't have to have a solid economic theory worked out to support their claims because the Republicans don't have a solid economic theory to support their claims.  It just has to seem reasonable and be repeated by ALL Democrats.

Right now, the Democrats don't have much in the way of simple stories to support their policies and nothing loses to something every time.

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  •  Tip jar (3.81 / 11)

    Let me know what you think!
  •  Simple Stories (none / 0)

    I agree that simple stories are important.  I talked to a Bush supporter who voted for Bush because "Kerry did not have a plan for the war in Iraq."  I was amazed.

    I asked, "Okay, what is Bush's plan?"
    "Stay the course."
    "This is a plan? Actually, Kerry does have a plan."
    which I then recited.

    The response: "Why would Bill O'Reilly say Kerry doesn't have a plan then?" (Oy, my head hurts).

    I also recommend Sean Gonsalves' approach for the reasons detailed in this diary.

     

  •  We've been trounced on for 30 years (4.00 / 2)

    We're the party of bleeding hearts that don't make logical sense.

    And we're also the party of intellectual elites that have no COMMON sense.

    The right says our peace-mindedness is too bleeding heart, and that we need to invade Iraq.

    And the right says that the intellectual elites have rationalized away any sense of moral authority, and that terrorism is justified.

    They've hit us with a two prong attack -- heart and mind. We're too much heart and too much mind at the same time.

    I propose a third alternative:

    balls.

    Balls is to just be a straight talker, and say something that just makes sense. This is harder for liberals not because of the way we sometimes speak, but because we don't see the world that simply. But it's a matter of distilling the message down to basics:

    "If a rich guy wants something, he's gonna go out and buy it! Giving him a tax cut isn't gonna make him buy more, or work harder. Take that money and spend it on health care! If people don't have to worry about their medical bills, they have more financial freedom!"

    In fact, if you repeat that logic enough, you won't even have to say that anymore. You just say "tax cuts aren't what the economy needs. health care will benefit the economy." And people know what you mean.

    This is easier said than done. To do this, we need our own echo chamber, instead of a few special interest groups working independantly.

    It's not a campaign. It's a movement. Will you stand up?

    by danthrax on Thu Dec 16, 2004 at 11:01:19 AM PDT

  •  Aristotelian worldview (1.66 / 3)

    To me, I was amazed at how shallow the book is.  It is basically Dr. Dobbs saying, "Raise your kids this way because it is consistent with the bible and because I say so".  He doesn't cite any studies, any theories on child development and when he cites academic experts on child development, it is to mock their theories.

    This, in a nutshell, is "science" as defined by Aristotle and Ptolemy.  Aristotle was a great scientist, who based everything on observation and reasoning based upon the observation.  He was also wildly, wildly inaccurate.  Same with Ptolemy.

    The difference between Aristotle and Ptolemy and modern science is that instead of working with a defined conclusion and reasoning the observations to fit that conclusion, we work with a hypothesis, or what we expect to find at the end of the experiment, and then conduct our experiments and then reach a conclusion (which, more often than not, will be that our hypothesis was inaccurate).

    Ptolemy came up with some amazing convolutions in order to fit the theory of the planet's orbits around the earth into a fixed system of crystalline spheres.  It was not until Copernicus when someone said, "Wait a sec..  it makes more sense to do it this way".  And Copernicus, contrary to popular belief, didn't reject the Ptolemaic system of fixed crystalline spheres -- he just changed the object at the center of the system from the Earth to the Sun.

    It really does seem that there is a movement in this country to return our moral system to that of Victorian England ("Do as I say, but not as I do"), our economic system to the Robber Barons of the 1890s (did you know that John Travolta bought an $11 million dollar zeppelin for Christmas?), and our scientific method to Aristotle ("I will set out to prove creationism, so therefore all of my observations will be made to support my final conclusion -- anything that suggests otherwise is either false or misleading).

    •  you don't know jack, cuntwhistle. (2.50 / 4)

      If you have a passing familiarity with Ptolemy, you would know his methodology is essentially modern. Hell, you also don't know jack about Aristotlean astronomy, though you are closer to correct about him.

      viz: Aristotle's proofs that the heavens are spherical start with the statement that the sphere is the most perfect and appropriate shape for the heavens. Ptolemy, however, argues immediately from empirical evidence - how it appears etc. God! Just look at the Almagest! It is essentially modern methods of hypothesis and falsification, the only problem is that he had no predecessors and nobody who understood him completely 1000 years after his death. Copernicus was most emphatically not an improvement over Ptolemy because his model did not produce an improvement - Ptolemy's mathematical model is, predictively, the best you can get without Kepler's law. Zam! Just look at the math! Arrogant modern bastard! You've bought the lies of the Enlightenment!

      Join the battle against cosmic evil!

      by gzt on Thu Dec 16, 2004 at 11:35:59 AM PDT

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  •  The simplest story (none / 0)

    See this diary on how the right views the Iraqi war as a simple war.  The diary reminded me of some of the things Bush said in the first debate collected here.  
  •  Christians and the Bible (none / 0)

    Not all Christians view the Bible the way described in this diary.

    The fundamentalists generally view the Bible as "the words" of God.  Most progressive Christians and Catholics view the Bible as the Word of God.

    The difference is basic.

    The words of God mean just that.  God in effect wrote the Bible using the hands of men, and therefore every word in it is 100% true, with no wiggle room.  This, of course, ignores all the contradictions and inconsistencies in the Bible, but also leaves no room for argument or even discussion.

    The Word of God means that the Bible is a means of passing on to humans the basic truths of God.  The creation story and the other stories in Genesis therefore represent truth, but are not necessarily true in a factual, this is what really happened sense.  They are more representations of God's relationship with the world and all its inhabitants.

    Truth, therefore represents values, morals, appropriate ways of living, etc.  It is not a mere recital of how things happened.

    And it is in this area that the Democrats can press their advantage, as most of what the Bible states in those areas, both Old and New Testaments, are in line with Democratic thinking.  

    The simple stories mentioned above can be expanded upon in terms of those morals.  It is senseless to try to argue the validity of the Bible, but the meaning in terms of values is fair game, and one the Democrats can use without jeopardizing their principles or seeming to be religious zealots.

    Bush, so incompetent, he can't even do the wrong things right.

    by JAPA21 on Thu Dec 16, 2004 at 11:42:44 AM PDT

    •  I am not quite certain what you are saying... (none / 0)

      To me, there are three choices:
      • Genesis chapters 1-11 are literally true like the rest of the Bible.
      • Genesis chapters 1-11 are myths that tell fundamental truths, therefore evolution and the Big Bang are compatible with Christian theology.
      • We don't know what happened long ago so there is no way of proving right Genesis or any scientific theory about the past.

      I believe in the second choice.  I am not sure which you belive or if you believe in a fourth choice.

      In my writing, I tried to be clear that not all Christians believe that belief in the Bible means disagreement with modern scholarship.  However, I think there are a large number of Christians in the US how do believe so and that they represent the largest part of the Republican base.

      •  #2 (none / 0)

        My comments point to number 2, though most Christians of all types would possibly object to the word myth.  Most of what we call myths were at one time thought of as being true.  The Christians I refer to in my comments view the Bible as representing thruths about God and His relationship with His Creation as being more like parables.  We highly doubt if the early Jewish people viewed them as a representation of literal reality.  (By the way, I use the word His purely for convenience without any gender role issues involved).

        I agree with you that there are many Christians who do take the literal approach, and most vote republican, although I doubt if they are the majority of the Republican base.  They may be the most vocal, however.  

        The Democrats job is to workon those Republicans who are not of that group and help them to identify with Democratic values from a Christian point of view, where that is their identified religion.

        Bush, so incompetent, he can't even do the wrong things right.

        by JAPA21 on Thu Dec 16, 2004 at 12:21:40 PM PDT

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        •  Myth, parable, whatever you prefer (none / 0)

          I heard an interview on NPR long ago of a Jewish expert on Hebrew and the Old Testament and my recollection of what he said is that the verbs and other parts of language change dramatically when you go from the first eleven chapters of Genesis to the rest of the book.  What he said was that it was clear from the way the first eleven chapters were written that they weren't intended to be taken literally.  The word he used to describe the stories in the first 11 chapters was "myth" so I repeated it here.  I have never seen anything remotely like that interview and I don't know if I remember it correctly.
          •  You are correct (none / 0)

            Sometimes we can get too caught up in semantics.  For me it is not a major issue, and I am a devout Catholic.  My comment was more in a sense of how others would react to the terminology.

            Bush, so incompetent, he can't even do the wrong things right.

            by JAPA21 on Fri Dec 17, 2004 at 07:34:57 AM PDT

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      •  myths? (none / 0)

        While I'm no literalist, it sounds like this would give you a rather arbitrary hermeneutic.
  •  Why do the Iraqis fight? (none / 0)

    Here are two views: here, and here.

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