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Anyone else considering it? I'm a Catholic only because my parents baptized me when I was a baby. I'm also one of those Catholics who only goes to mass to make my mother happy. My attendence record has dwindled from nearly every Sunday down to just midnight mass (x-mas eve). I may break that tradition and not join my family for tonight's "celebration." After everything the Church has done including their involvement in the 2004 presidential election in which their candidate of choice was a lying, mass-murdering THUG over a devoted Catholic who happened to disagree with the Church on one major issue, I don't think I can take it! Does anyone think I'm making too big of a deal about this and just endure the hour for my mother's sake?

I'm sure my situation isn't unique and I'd appreciate it if my fellow Catholics take my poll. Thanks!

Originally posted to Rome890 on Fri Dec 24, 2004 at 08:16 AM PST.


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  •  Depends (4.00)
    is going to church on Christmas eve important to you for family reasons, or for spiritual ones?  If so, I'd encourage you to think of this: The members of your parish are probably a normal assortment of people who voted some for one candidate and some for the other.  The parish priest may be a Kerry voter.  Or maybe he isn't.  If it were me, I'd suck it up and go for my mom if I didn't have any spiritual reason.  You can't associate any individual church too much with the decisions of the church hierarchy.  Of course, if you think your mom wouldn't care all that much AND it does nothing for you spiritually, then by all means don't go.  And I wholeheartedly agree with you, it is appalling what the Church hieararchy did in the 2004 election.  But it has little to do with one parish and one christmas eve mass.  I personally know a catholic priest who voted for Kerry, so it's important not to tar everybody with the same brush- something I am often guilty of.  But I'm going to stop now, since I've used your diary to post one of my own inadvertently :)

    Merry Christmas!

    "The quality of mercy is not strained. It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven upon the place beneath."- Shakespeare, "Merchant of Venice"

    by tubalefty on Fri Dec 24, 2004 at 08:12:52 AM PST

  •  My bishop didn't back Bush (none)
    Our pastor, associate pastor, and pastoral council didn't either.

    Maybe if you were to get involved things would change.

    Let's get some Democracy for America

    by murphy on Fri Dec 24, 2004 at 08:13:49 AM PST

  •  I voted with my feet years ago (none)
    And I wish every baptized Catholic who disagrees with the reactionary Pope John Paul II and his bishops would do the same. Europeans did that years ago.

    In politics, sometimes the jackasses are on your side.

    by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Fri Dec 24, 2004 at 08:21:36 AM PST

  •  8 years of Catholic school (none)
    8 years of Catholic school taught me not to be Catholic (I was not raised a Catholic and was segregated from the others at certain times, assigned to do "other work" in the hallway during certain times of the day).

    In 7th and 8th grades, Sister Nancy taught us all about religions of the world.  She told us how it didn't really matter what religion you had, or if you had one at all.  The rules of the various faiths we studied were created by human beings for historical and political reasons, but at the heart of the teachings were some universals: do some good deeds, don't harm others, don't always think of yourself, and marvel at the universe from time to time.  


    I always thank Sister Nancy for pointing me towards my current secular humanism.  While I can appreciate the beauty and power of ritual as an occasional participant (at weddings, funerals, etc.), I will never be able to adhere to the dogmatic rules of any organized religion.

    "Democracy is coming ... to the U - S - A." - Leonard Cohen

    by Gearhead on Fri Dec 24, 2004 at 08:40:05 AM PST

  •  No wonder Catholics voted for Bush (none)
    over Kerry. It's threads like this which are why Catholics, who once voted 2-1 for Democrats back in the New Deal era, now are a swing group.

    I am a Catholic, and I go to church on a regular basis. That doesn't mean that I support everything the Church does, for I don't. I disagree with the church on abortion, gay rights, and stem cell research.

    But I so resent the Catholic bashing that all too many "progressives" engage in. The Catholic Chruch has done a lot for the poor through its charitable work. It also was opposed to the war in Iraq.

    Not all Catholics support everything the church does. But again the level of hatred toward Catholics here does not suprise me.

    •  Sorry I offended you... (none)
      And I didn't intend to imply that all Catholics are bad - my mother's a practicing Catholic and so are some of my best friends. I was referring to the Church as an institution marred by corruption. Take the child molestation scandal and the fact that the church refused to address it until parishioners in droves withheld their contributions from the collection basket. I'm sorry, but the Church's silence on the crimes Bush has committed against humanity was just the last straw. Maybe I missed the headlines stating that voting for pro-death penalty politicians and warmongerers was a sin.
      •  One more thing.... (none)
        I doubt Catholics voted for Bush because of the Catholic bashing...but if that's the case - that they'll override serious decision making with something as petty as my "bashing" thread, maybe they should be bashed.
    •  Denver's Archbishop: Democrats=Antichristians (none)
      It depends, at least for now, on which diocese you reside in.  In Denver, Archbishop Chaput has made it clear that by the very ACT of voting for a politician who is not anti-choice, you are no longer "in Communion with the Holy See."  Nevermind that the opponent supports the slaughter of tens of thousands of innocents:  hey, they're not Christians, and we are in the New Crusades.

      ANd, for those old enough to remember Catholic Mass back before 2000, when the hell did Catholic Priests start prattling on about the "End Times?"  Next thing you know, "Left Behind" will be required reading in CCD!

      Things are dark and grim in the Colorado Archdiocese.  Gone is any concern for social justice.  Gone are the days of Father Woody, who opened the doors of his church to all people.  Back are the days of hatred of gays, divorced people, pro-choice persons, and anyone who disagrees with the Preznit.  I lost hope for the Church when JP I died (and with him died liberation theology).

      That said, I have immense respect for those who stick it out and realize that the Roman Catholic Church is bigger and more important than the pronouncements of its windier gasbags in the hierarchy.  

  •  Go (4.00)
    Go to Mass. Think of it as a Christmas present to your Mom.  If you're not a believer, then what's the difference between spending 45 minutes staring at a guy on a cross and standing in line for 45 minutes to let your kid sit on Santa's lap?

    If you really aren't comfortable with being part of the ceremony, just don't take Communion. If somebody asks you about it and you're feeling nice, explain that you understand the significance of the transubstantiation and respect it enough not to pretend to believe in it.

    If you're feeling snarky, explain that you, like John Kerry, aren't comfortable with an old Polish virgin telling women they have to die for the sake of their anencephalic fetus.  That makes you part of the culture of death, not like that nice George Bush person who is the defender of life (except for Iraqi life).

  •  Only a few wingnut bishops got press ink (none)
    Many other bishops were complicit by their silence, but a lot of them never were heard or quoted in the press.  Cardinal Ratzinger, a very conservative cardinal and speaking for the Vatican, made it clear that Catholics could vote for whomever they wanted, in good conscience and still take communion, so long as they weren't voting entirely on the "pro-choice" issue.  

    That's not really great news for pro-choice Catholics, but it's good news for Catholic Democrats who were floored by the right wing bishops' comments in Denver and St. Louis.

    Of course, pro-choice Catholics can still follow their conscience.  And there is a very strong, if somewhat stupified, left wing Catholic body in this country.  If you look for them, you'll find them.  They may be a great relief to you.  Here are a few:

    Catholic Worker
    Pax Christi
    Call to Action

    As well as the Jesuit and Franciscan orders.  There are a ton more, but these are groups I'm most familiar with.

    Speak truth to power, it's a sin to tell a lie.

    by queen on Fri Dec 24, 2004 at 11:38:12 AM PST

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