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Pittance hurts 'war on terror'

Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 10:54:42 AM PDT

It has repercussions in the "war on terror". Juan Cole remarks on the lost opportunity:
As John F. Harris and Robin Wright of the Washington Post cannily note, US President George W. Bush has missed an important opportunity to reach out to the Muslims of Indonesia. The Bush administration at first pledged a paltry $15 million, a mysteriously chintzy response to what was obviously an enormous calamity. Bush himself remained on vacation, and now has reluctantly agreed to a meeting of the National Security Council by video conference. If Bush were a statesman, he would have flown to Jakarta and announced his solidarity with the Muslims of Indonesia (which has suffered at least 40,000 dead and rising).

Indeed, the worst-hit area of Indonesia is Aceh, the center of a Muslim separatist movement, and a gesture to Aceh from the US at this moment might have meant a lot in US-Muslim public relations. Bin Laden and Zawahiri sniffed around Aceh in hopes of recruiting operatives there, being experts in fishing in troubled waters. Doesn't the US want to outflank al-Qaeda? As it is, the president of the United States is invisible and on vacation (unlike several European heads of state), and could think of nothing better to do than announce a paltry pledge. As Harris and Wright rightly say, the rest of the world treated the US much better than this after September 11.

Bush's own Pentagon released a report blaming the Iraq quagmire on negative attitudes toward the US in the Muslim world and weak presidential leadership in reversing that global hostility.
The information campaign -- or as some still would have it, "the war of ideas," or the struggle for "hearts and minds" -- is important to every war effort. In this war it is an essential objective, because the larger goals of U.S. strategy depend on separating the vast majority of non-violent Muslims from the radical-militant Islamist-Jihadists. But American efforts have not only failed in this respect: they may also have achieved the opposite of what they intended.
This unimaginable, horrible catastrophe, had the potential to demonstrate the "compassionate" side of the United States and reap goodwill in the Muslim world (much like Clinton's Kosovo liberation did for some time.)

Instead, we just handed Osama Bin Laden a PR bonanza. And you better believe Muslim charities -- many run by radicals like Hamas -- will fill the void and fan the flames of discontent.

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  •  How Would the World React to another 9/11 (4.00 / 6)

    Hard to believe there would be candlelight vigils across the world given the arrogance we have displayed these last few years.... coupled now with our own lack of expressed compassion.

    I keep coming back to the unhappy fact that this is OUR government, OUR face to the world, even though we worked so goddammed hard to avoid it!

    Fuzzy only works for pets.

    by NotFuzzy on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 10:47:58 AM PDT

  •  Why be compassionate when... (4.00 / 3)

    ...God is striking down our Muslim foes?

    (Before I get flamed, yes, that was sarcasm).

  •  uh (none / 1)

    At the risk of sounding like a freeper, can we at least wait and see what the US winds up doing before we start throwing stones. How much did France give so far?

    The 60s weren't that fricking great. Get over yourselves already, Boomers.

    by The Youthful Bede on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 10:48:21 AM PDT

    •  on the one hand - sure enough (4.00 / 2)

      the 35 mill is probably just a start.

      on the other hand, if bushco was sincerely interested in defeating terrorism it doesn't take a masters degree to realize our initial response helps the terrorists make us look like assholes.

      ergo.  bushco really isn't interested in defeating terrorism.

      •  Initial Offers Generally Run 10% of Total (4.00 / 3)

        as reported today in WaPo, anyway, but the point here is that we just missed this HUGE opportunity to win back some hearts and minds in Muslim Indonesia.  Remember that government communications report that came out a couple months back, castigating the government's diplomatic efforts and misguided messages?

        But this issue is more than world politics or diplomacy or appearances, it is the matter of showing the rest of humanity that we RECOGNIZE THEIR HUMANITY, and as a people aren't hopelessly drowning in our own hubris.  Yes, the American people will respond mightily through private donations to the Red Cross, Unicef and other relief agencies, but it would be nice if our government had been out in front on this one.

        Fuzzy only works for pets.

        by NotFuzzy on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 11:07:54 AM PDT

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      •  More Republican word/money funny stuff (3.80 / 5)

        As I understand it, the initial offer was for U.S. $15 million as a grant of aid. After shock from the international community, Dim Son allowed Colin Powell to prostrate himself once again on the world stage and increase the total to $35 million with a catch.

        The additional $20 million is as a line of credit, meaning the expectation is that it will be paid back.

        So, what we've really "given" is only $15 million. But now the headlines can make things look "better" by saying $35 mil.

        The degree to which you resist injustice is the degree to which you are free. -- Utah Phillips

        by Mnemosyne on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 12:33:16 PM PDT

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        •  LOL (none / 0)

          Dim Son is a great name.  And you are right about the "Line of Credit".  Freeping Jesus Freak doesn't even know how to be generous.  He's had it all and doesn't want anybody else to have any.  You know - what I got from the Christian religion must have been something different entirely from what they are dishing out now.  I got "what you do unto the least of these you do unto Me" and "judge not".  What the sam hill are they teaching these nuts?
        •  I couldn't help but comment on your line.... (none / 1)

          "The Bushie fever with Saddam left Osama free to scram."

          and the other night I was watching the National Geographic channel show "Seconds from Disaster" about Oklahoma City. It made me think....If Bush were president in 1995, Timothy McVeigh would still be free and America would be observing it's 10th anniversary of fighting in Iraq.

        •  Is this really my country? (none / 0)

          N/T

          If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison, fourth US president (1751-1836)

          by crkrjx on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 03:33:22 PM PDT

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          •  Time warp (none / 1)

            Some days, I think we've fallen through a rip in the time-space continuum and will find ourselves with Eckels, the protagonist of Ray Bradbury's great short story "A Sound of Thunder."

            Eckels is a time traveler who, against instructions, alters something in the past and returns to find his present unlike the one he left -- but scarifyingly like what ours is becoming. Read it and see.

            The degree to which you resist injustice is the degree to which you are free. -- Utah Phillips

            by Mnemosyne on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 04:36:22 PM PDT

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            •  I've posted an ObRef to that sometimes (none / 1)

              just "Who stepped on the butterfly, dammit?" not just to see who gets it but because it really does express so much about the present.

              We are down the wrong leg of the Trousers of Time...

              "Don't be a janitor on the Death Star!" - Grey Lady Bast (change @ for AT to email)

              by bellatrys on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 05:21:42 PM PDT

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              •  wasn't (none / 0)

                that from a Bradbury story about time travel or some such?  At this point, would stepping on the butterfly be all that bad?

                It's still upsetting for some people to know that the hippies were the ones telling the truth about Vietnam and trying to help America. - Anonymous

                by eunichorn on Thu Dec 30, 2004 at 03:17:37 AM PDT

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                •  How do we know somebody already hasn't? (none / 0)

                  I love alternate universe stories. One can only speculate what would have happened here if Al Gore would have been President...but it's fun to speculate, and it certainly could not have been any worse.
        •  Context (4.00 / 2)

          They're spending $40 million on a second term inauguration.

          Does anybody seriously think they're doing enough? This is the worst natural disaster in a lifetime. This is where America is supposed to step up. We're the richest nation in the world. Yet what I hear (News Hour tonight) are explanations about how we have been so generous in the past.

          And where is the loyal opposition on this? Senator Reid? Paging Senator Reid.

      •  It was my second thought (none / 0)

        when I heard of the $35 million - what a wasted opportunity - but, shame on me. How many dead now? Eighty thousand people and thousands  more missing and thousands predicted to die from disease, and still counting.

        Bush et al. are probably gleeful that the latest Iraq massacre - 30 Iraqi policemen lured into a building and then blown up - has been pushed to the back pages.

        It is indeed an ill wind.

    •  apples and oranges (4.00 / 4)

      What's with the France bashing?  Besides, the US is the "world's only superpower" not France.  That's an implied (self-proclaimed?) leadership in world affairs.  And that leadership is busy clearing brush while others suffer.  Hooray for moral values.
      •  one wonders (none / 1)

        if the Saudi crown prince got a hang nail how quickly junior would get his ass on a plane to massage his feet....
      •  I agree (4.00 / 5)

        These comparisons of who is giving what really are pointless. The real concern ought to be: is your government representing you in a way that makes you proud and to the extent you believe this disaster deserves?

        "I have lived with several Zen masters -- all of them cats." - Eckhart Tolle

        by catnip on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 10:58:40 AM PDT

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      •  In a diplomatic sense, the money (none / 1)

        might not be as big a deal as the short shrift Bush has given this disaster in the whole "outpouring of public support" sense. International diplomacy is as much about appearances and public displays as it is about cash.
      •  Lack of leadership (none / 1)

        is really striking.  At a time like this, the region needs resources and coordination, plus sympathy.  Bush is the face to do the last one, and he failed.  We could also supply resources (which we have, a little) and organization.  The people who know how to deal with disasters, the command structures and the like.  There appears to be total silence on this front.

        It is always all about him (Bush) and all about us.  If it isn't, it doesn't exist.   That is something the rest of the world really, really resents about us.  

        "Do not forget that every people deserves the regime it is willing to endure." ---The White Rose, 1942

        by Mimikatz on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 11:08:58 AM PDT

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        •  Since when did the left (4.00 / 2)

          start looking to GWB for leadership?

          Have you all forgotten the GWB is a classic cheapskate?  He only dips into his federal piggybank when it will directly benefit him and his cronies.  Do you think the federal money allocated for the survivors of 9/11 had anything to do with those people?  No, it was primarily to shut off lawsuits against the airlines and secondarily to quell public opinion and sentiment that we all had to help the families of less than 3,000 people.

          GWB is also skilled at bargaining.  He lowballs his first offer because that is the best approach to getting what you need at the lowest price.

          What FDR giveth; GWB taketh away.

          by Marie on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 11:26:01 AM PDT

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        •  What a real president would have said: (none / 0)

          "Our entire nation is saddened by the loss of life suffered by the people of many countries. I pledge that our country, the wealthiest, yet most generous in the world, will provide whatever aid is required. I have authorized an initial allotment of $100 million in aid and am prepared to authorize more if necessary. I also ask all American citizens to provide donations to the many relief organizations that are helping in the recovery effort."

          What we got:

          "Hey Dick, what's a Suenommy? Is that one of them lawsuits trial lawyers are usin' to bankrupt 'Merica?"

    •  fair enough (none / 1)

      But, in the meantime, your president is staying on vacation in Crawford and holding a video conference with the NSC instead of meeting with them in person.

      How big does a disaster have to be before he actually stops vacationing and starts working on behalf of all Americans?

      "I have lived with several Zen masters -- all of them cats." - Eckhart Tolle

      by catnip on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 10:56:20 AM PDT

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    •  we're talking about our country... (none / 1)

      what the hell does France have to do with it?

      I expect the President to be generous and to behave like a world leader in a time of crisis. I have no control over what other countries do or how much they give.

      Sadly, the numbers show we are a stingy nation...

      Among the world's two dozen wealthiest countries, the United States often is among the lowest in donors per capita for official development assistance worldwide, even though the totals are larger. According to the Paris-based Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development of 30 wealthy nations, the United States gives the least -- at 0.14 percent of its gross national product, compared with Norway, which gives the most at 0.92 percent...

      Aid grows amid questions about Bush

      As an American, I am ashamed that our President will spend billions of dollars in a brutal war of choice, while offering only the tiniest token aid after the worst natural disaster in history.

      Guess its only worth the money if Little Georgie can kill him some 'terrists'...

      •  Speaking of France (none / 1)

        In addition to the charities Kos listed, you can give to Doctors Without Borders (Medecins sans Frontieres) here and if that doesn't work, type www.doctorswithoutborders.org and you will get to the site.  They are already on-site in Aceh with medical supplies and people.  They say half the place is destroyed.

        "Do not forget that every people deserves the regime it is willing to endure." ---The White Rose, 1942

        by Mimikatz on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 12:07:32 PM PDT

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    •  Other countries aid (none / 1)

      http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,11810352%255E1702,00.html

      This site has a list of other countries.  

      AUSTRALIA: Increased its aid to $US27 million ($35 million)

      BRITAIN: Pledged STG15 million ($37.2 million)

      DENMARK: Increased aid pledge by maximum 85 million Danish crowns ($20.05 million)

      EUROPEAN UNION: Ready to release up to 30 million euro ($52.6 million)

      Now for France:

      FRANCE: Foreign Minister Michel Barnier in Sri Lanka, then Thailand. Has earmarked 100,000 euro ($175,160) for relief

      But note that they're partly covered by the EU aid.

      •  US and Denmark (none / 0)

        It's pretty sad when we're in the same ballpark as Denmark.  Here's a quick comparison of the US and Denmark.

        US

        Population: 293,655,404
        GDP: $10,881,609 million

        Denmark

        Population: 5,397,640
        GDP: $155,000 million

        This isn't just a question of this disaster.  Our priorities are completely out-of-whack.  We can't help the poorest of the poor, keep our libraries open or provide basic health-care services, but we can spend $177 million a day destroying Iraq.

        •  Other sad thing (none / 0)

          It seems like our GDP has been stuck in the $10-$11 trillion range for, oh, 'bout four years.

          Which doesn't jibe with official reports of the wonderful, no, unsurpassed Bush recovery.

          I seem to recall that the former Soviet Union had a similar disconnect.

          pause

          Reality never seemed to get the message that the official economy was doing great. :)

          Watch out for the giant ground sloths.

          by cskendrick on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 05:05:23 PM PDT

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      •  Canada - went from 4 mil to 40 million $ Cdn (none / 0)

        ...today.
      •  The Vatican, (none / 0)

        a nation-state the size of a thimble, on Monday morning pledged approximately $3 million plus - as just an initial step in financial assistance.

        The Pope - a disabled, elderly man - spoke about the horrible tragedy on Monday or Tuesday, urging people to pray and give.

        Meanwhile, the Chimp-in-chief can't be bothered while bike-riding and clearing fake brush to even come out and say a few words of condolence and our government had to be shamed into increasing the financial assistance from $5 mil to $15 mil to $30 mil.

        And these people talk about 'moral values' and Christianity?  I'm amazed.

    •  uh (none / 0)

      France has problems with the world Muslim community -- particularly as it comes to grips with its own large Muslim minority -- but it's not embroiled in a major military effort where some good PR with Muslims would be a welcome relief; it's not the world's only superpower; it's a nation with 1/6 the population of the United States.

      It would have been far better to have left off a dollar figure on the amount of aid proposed than to put out $35 million. Hell, Rudy Guiliani refused a gift of $10 million from a Saudi prince for cleanup and recovery after 9/11. If a Saudi prince can offer $10 million to what is arguably the richest city in the world after a disaster that took 3,000 lives and we can refuse it, how does it look to people when we offer just a few times that (initially, even less) when the death toll is 60,000 and climbing?

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      by darrelplant on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 11:16:56 AM PDT

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    •  It don't matter (3.50 / 2)

      The question is not how much cash the U.S. eventually kicks in (and most of that $35 million, by the way, is in the form of loans anyway).  It's the impression Chimpy gave to the world by spending the day on his phony ranch, "clearing brush," having nothing to say, and making no display of leadership of the world community in responding to the crisis, etc. He didn't want to appear unmanly by acting all compassionate, y'know.

      What is it with these demented Republican presidents spending their free time "clearing brush," anyway? That was Reagan's favorite hobby too.  What's he proposing to do with the cleared area?  Plant cantaloupes?  

    •  who cares what france gave!!!! (none / 1)

      we are the richest country in the world and he's offered the worse catastrophe in 200 years what  turns out to be what we spend in Iraq for 2 and 1/2 hours.

      Can we as citizens do anything?  

      It is going to be a very long 4 years.

      Confucius say: Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves.

      by bluecayuga on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 11:45:15 AM PDT

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    •  No idea, but... (none / 0)

      ...Britian's opening offering was £15m, or between $28m and $29m, and the European Commission gave about $17m. So those two totals already eclipse the US total - now given the US's GDP is $10,990,000,000,000, and the UK's GDP is $1,666,000,000,000, so the US's economy is about 6.6 times bigger than the UK's. Yet it's only offering 1.2 times the UK's contribution. In those terms, it's pretty stingy.
    •  France has committed 15 million Euros (n/t) (none / 0)

    •  Spain has pledged $68 million... (none / 0)

      Yahoo news article on various nations' pledges.

      I think we're missing an important opportunity here - an opportunity both to do the right thing and to advance our interests.

      Bush lacks understanding and/or doesn't care about winning hearts and minds? Gee, who would've thunk?

  •  What makes anybody think (4.00 / 10)

    that GWB has any interest in reaching out to Muslims and undermine OBL?  OBL and fundamentalist Muslims will be the gift that keeps giving to the GOP for decades.  Why would they want to kill the golden goose?

    What FDR giveth; GWB taketh away.

    by Marie on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 10:50:17 AM PDT

  •  This is typical and so very, very sad (4.00 / 4)

    EVERYTHING Bush does perpetuates the conflict. EVERYTHING. Its all war, all the time.

    1984 in 2004.

    It's hard to be outraged when every day brings a further outrage.  

    I am running out of outrage.

    Freedom does not march. I saw an invasion. I see an occupation. I don't see a war. "Constant war is not a family value." Cindy Sheehan 8/22/05

    by ex republican on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 10:50:44 AM PDT

  •  Why win hearts and minds? (none / 1)

    As a GOP friend of mine quipped - Bush and his team have now "won" two presidential elections by refusing to work with a hostile SCLM or reach out to Democrats.

    They seem to have the same attitude towards the Muslim world. They don't like us anyway, so there's no point in trying to win them over.

    - "You're Hells Angels, then? What chapter are you from?"
    - REVELATIONS, CHAPTER SIX.

    by Hoya90 on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 10:50:52 AM PDT

  •  I've never been a fan of comparisons like this, (4.00 / 7)

    but you get the sense that if 76,000 white people died somewhere, the U.S. would be all over it.

    Just leaves a pretty bad taste.

    •  No Doubt (4.00 / 2)

      You can see it in the coverage. Yesterday, (I think it was on CNBC) they noted that this catastrophe may have left more orphans than any other in history. Then they showed two of them: both white.

      I get a sense that if the damage had been confined to Sumatra that we wouldn't even be talking about this, even if it killed 10,000.

      •  You better beleive it (4.00 / 2)

        This has been a typical response.  The Swedish boy that survived has bee all over the TV at least on CNN.

        Many Whites do not care about Blacks not having their votes count, or non whites dying in the Southeast, or non whites seeking work in America.

        And it goes further in our domestic policy like the shift of the tax burden to the middle and lower class and the reduction in Medicare and Medicaid funding; the reduction in Pell grants for poorer students, and the biggest shift of all the dismantling of Social Security in the way of a privatization money grab for corporate cronies of the GOP.

  •  One of my first thoughts (4.00 / 6)

    Was that Bush, by failing to commit to a massive, coordinated aid effort, financially and logistically, was missing out on a chance to make good with Indonesian Muslims.

    This thought was followed by another that pretty much answered the first thought.

    Bush does not operate by reaching out to those who (in his own eyes) are not on his side. This is how he treats Democrats; this is how he treated Old Europe and the U.N.; it is how he treated high-ranking generals in our armed forces who opposed the "war on the cheap" plan for Iraq. . .

    . . .the list goes on and on.

    The best Bush can do is a little lip service and the loose change in his pocket because those people on the other side of the planet are not on his side.

    And as things fell apart
    Nobody paid much attention
    -- Talking Heads, (Nothing But) Flowers

    by wanderindiana on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 10:52:40 AM PDT

    •  it's the old state of mind that says (none / 1)

      when your enemy is treading water, you throw him a freaking anchor....
    •  The Third Thought (4.00 / 4)

      I remembered that last November, a U.S. Army inspector general auditing Halliburton's work in Iraq determined that Halliburton had not provided enough details to support at least $1.82 billion out of $4.3 billion of logistical work. We withheld payment from Halliburton for two days, I believe it was, for their failure to account for $1.82 billion.

      $1.82 Billion--the tip of the Halliburton iceberg, the lining in Dick Cheney's pockets--could have been summoned to help human beings in need, in dire but arbitrary circumstances.

      But instead. . .well, we all know how the story goes.

      When Congress reconvenes, they need to legislate the appropriation of some funds for the Tsunami victims and drop it right in Bush's lap.

      And as things fell apart
      Nobody paid much attention
      -- Talking Heads, (Nothing But) Flowers

      by wanderindiana on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 11:06:28 AM PDT

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      •  Inauguration Donors Should Be Challenged (4.00 / 8)

        to match party fund donations ($40M and counting)with aid donations.......

        Fuzzy only works for pets.

        by NotFuzzy on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 11:11:06 AM PDT

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        •  Speaking of the (4.00 / 3)

          inauguration, can't you just imagine the taxmarked millions going into the coming celebration of vulgarity? How much more crass it will be amid full disaster and war.

          Dancing in the palace while outside the Plague rages and hundreds of thousands die horribly and alone - am I thinking of the Decameron or of E.Poe?

          Why can't he just take the oath of office - if it's absolutely necessary - quietly and in private. Maybe in Crawford with just the family gathered around. They can toast one another afterward with cookies and kool aid. And thank their Personal Philosopher, Jesus.

    •  These are ordinary people and not all Muslims (none / 0)

      Thailand is very pro-US (at least it used to be) and the people are Buddhist.  Sri Lanka (where the second highest casualties were) is also Buddhist, with a Tamil minority.  South India isn't Muslim either, although there are Muslims throughout South and Southeast Asia.  Malaysia, yes, and the Islands, Indonesia and also the Anddamans and Nicobars, IIRC.  But this tragedy dod not happen in a perticularly "Muslim" part of the world.  

      I think its racism and self-centeredness.  Brown and "other".  

      "Do not forget that every people deserves the regime it is willing to endure." ---The White Rose, 1942

      by Mimikatz on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 11:14:56 AM PDT

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      •  Anddaman and Nicobar islands ... (none / 0)

        have mostly Christian tribals. Non-tribals (i.e. immigrants from mainland India) are I suppose mostly Hindu.

        As a resident of a low quality, insignificant state I need no president.

        by nataraj on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 01:40:49 PM PDT

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      •  The Tamils are Muslim (none / 0)

        which is why they are seeking separation from Sri Lanka, a la  Pakistan from India.  The Tamil Tigers are the armed insurrection movement.  The Phillippines, which has had its share of force of nature tragedies lately, also has a Muslim separatist movement.

        I feel for all of these people.  Bush's actions have been so sluggish and reactive, there's no real reason to think that he gives a shyt about people who are not Christian and most definitely not white.

        An untypical Negro...since 1954.

        by blksista on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 02:59:55 PM PDT

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      •  Thank you for your comment (none / 0)

        I did not mean to slight the other non-Muslim victims of the arbitrary cruelty of nature. I understand that human beings were killed and lives upended, regardless of race, color, or creed. I mentioned "Indonesian Muslims" specifically and did not intend to claim that all victims were Muslims.

        I intended to point out that from a policy standpoint, our government could have helped itself in a part of the world where it is hurting right now by spreading some good will towards humanity.

        I am ashamed of our government's failure to lead the relief effort, both financially and logistically, regardless of policy.

        And as things fell apart
        Nobody paid much attention
        -- Talking Heads, (Nothing But) Flowers

        by wanderindiana on Thu Dec 30, 2004 at 08:29:20 AM PDT

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  •  Bush (4.00 / 2)

    Yes, being the president of the United States is "hard work" and that includes cutting short your vacation sometimes. But, he didn't do that when he read the August PDF so why would he do it now?

    As for the larger picture, that involves thinking about the international consequences, something this president abhors. A video conference with the NSC? What's so damn important out there at Crawford that he can't take the time to get on a plane and meet with them in person?

    Once again, this president has let down the citizens of the USA by refusing to represent them as they should be on the world stage. That is unforgivable. You deserve more than that. Let the WH know what you think. E-mail, call, do whatever you can to express your disgust. This is your country and your president has failed you yet again.

    "I have lived with several Zen masters -- all of them cats." - Eckhart Tolle

    by catnip on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 10:52:44 AM PDT

  •  Nobody's in charge (4.00 / 2)

    Aceh is where the gas and oil fields are, along with a long-running Muslim insurgency.  If there were even one competent person in the WH or cabinet such a fact would be noted and acted upon.  

    We can't expect Bush to act out of compassion or his supporters to want to spend more on foreign, heathen victims of a catastrophe than will be spent on the coronation of the divinely chosen one in DC in January. But their collective short-sightedness suggests a profound ignorance about the importance of Indonesia in the world-energy picture.  No surprise there.

    Bush to world:  Apres moi, le deluge.

    The IPCC predicts average global temperatures to rise enough by 2050 to put 20-30% of all species at risk for extinction.

    by Plan9 on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 10:54:28 AM PDT

  •  coronation vs tsunami relief (4.00 / 4)

    No wonder Dub has been so quiet lately, especially in regards to the evolving disaster in Asia! He's bristling at the comments from the UN that the US and other "rich countries" in the world are cheapskates when it comes to relief funding, and so grudgingly has Colin Powell cough up another $20 million to a grand total of $35 million.

    I wish that I had caught this, but I have to credit Michael Moore... the inauguration/coronation cost alone stands at $40 million! Compassionate Conservatism at its best! A one day celebration is worth more to Dub than helping with 70,000 plus dead and growing; a stark equation.

    He stands with a pretty easy choice here, in my opinion:

    1)       Do the "Christian", altruistic thing and pare down the "coronation" to a simple $1 million or so swearing in ceremony. Then, pass on those corporate donations to where they can do the most good and immediately raise America's ante to $70 or $80 million for disaster relief. There's not a corporation that would dare fault him for it, and in fact, with leadership on the issue from the White House, they may be willing to contribute even more money, goods, or services. This would also go a long way to extending an olive branch to the half of the country that feels he has stolen another election, and demonstrate in a symbolic way what things he is willing to sacrifice for the unity of America.

    Or

    2)       Have the "coronation" as planned and do the "Compassionate Conservative" shuffle... "These people should have should have known better to build homes and resorts along the coast in the first place." "They should have had good insurance." "It's their own fault for not investing in a Tsunami warning system." "We'll just be harming them by bailing them out temporarily." "Sure, it's a tragedy, but they're all dead, and no amount of money will ever bring them back." "We're just opening the doors wide to future frivolous disaster claims and further waste"

    Rarely in history does anyone ever get a chance in one lifetime at a real "do-over". One could view this as a 9/11 redux. You've got an opportunity to step up and show the world what America really stands for without an ulterior motive. What's it going to be, Dub?

    Dudehisattva...

    "Generosity, Ethics, Patience, Effort, Concentration, and Wisdom"

    by Dood Abides on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 10:55:48 AM PDT

  •  Muslim populations (4.00 / 5)

    Indonesia
    Total Population: 206,611,600
    Muslims Percentage:  95%
    Number of Muslims: 196,281,020

    Maldives
    Total Population: 270,758
    Muslims Percentage: 100%
    Number of Muslims: 270,758

    World Map

    Dark green is 100-70% Muslim population.

    Bush lost an incredible opportunity to show compassion to the Muslim world.  

    •  Earlier (4.00 / 7)

      I (clumsily) reported on conservative reaction to the calls for disaster relief.

      Per the Cons: Eff 'Em, in as many words.

      For Bush to send billions to aid victims of natural disaster is going against the Republican grain these days...

      The Tsunami relief effort, in Republithink

      1. It's giving away tax dollars.
      2. It's giving away tax dollars to poor people.
      3. It's giving tax dollars to poor, foreign people.
      4. It's giving tax dollars to poor, foreign Muslim people.
      5. It's giving tax dollars to poor, foreign Muslim people who criticize American policies.
      6. It's giving tax dollars to poor, foreign Muslim people who criticize American policies and therefore hate America.
      7. It's giving tax dollars to poor, foreign Muslim people who criticize American policies and therefore hate America, therefore they probably support America's enemies.
      8. It's giving tax dollars to poor, foreign Muslim people who criticize American policies and therefore hate America, therefore they probably support America's enemies, therefore they're just as bad as terrorists.
      9. It's giving tax dollars to poor, foreign
      Muslim people who criticize American policies and therefore hate America, therefore they probably support America's enemies, therefore they're just as bad as terrorists, so if anything we should be sending an aircraft carrier and Marines to make sure they know who's boss.

      Take a deep breath, start with new paradigm...

      1. It's giving away tax dollars.
      2. It's giving away tax dollars to people in need.
      3. And that's what civilized people do: help each other in time of need.

      Watch out for the giant ground sloths.

      by cskendrick on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 12:05:12 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Too complex for Bush Repubs (none / 0)

        I like your two lists, but the first one is way too subtle to be weasel-think.

        I think it gets down to just this:

        1. "It's giving my money away to people who want to kill me and all other Americans."

        A lot of Bush supporters indeed believe that every Muslim wants to kill us.  And as soon as you think someone else might be in need, well, that might distract you from your usual self-worship and interfere with plans about feeding your greed.  

        So it must have been God's will to destroy the unbelievers (whereas mishaps that befall Christian communities are the work of Satan).

        The IPCC predicts average global temperatures to rise enough by 2050 to put 20-30% of all species at risk for extinction.

        by Plan9 on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 01:58:07 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  What's so right on about this post (none / 0)


          ... well, that might distract you from your usual self-worship and interfere with plans about feeding your greed.  

          CNN is running almost nothing but tsunami coverage.

          FoxNews is doing everything it can to get the world's attention back on Iraq.

          Watch out for the giant ground sloths.

          by cskendrick on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 03:30:09 PM PDT

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        •  that's what Jesus said to do (none / 0)

          Love your enemy as yourself.

          Not hard to understand, but apparently Bushites have a real problem with it.

          So much for following Jesus.

  •  in the war to win hearts and minds... (none / 1)

    the prerequsite is that you actually have a heart and a mind.

    0 and 2 for Bushie....

  •  Precisely (4.00 / 13)

    Over the break, I had occasion to talk with my conservative-leaning family members in the OC. They're not wingers, and they like to tell themselves they actually think through issues - but in reality, they prefer gut feeling over reason.

    When we discussed the 'war on terra' or Iraq, I kept explaining that the reason I opposed both was that you couldn't have a military solution to what was a fundamentally political problem. My interlocutors wanted to see terrorists as people you should just go out and shoot, a town like Falluja as a city that should be leveled. When I said this would all be counterproductive, they asked, reasonably, 'well, what's your solution?'

    And the answer is we must win the trust and allegiance of the moderate Muslims.

    This is the case with any guerrilla conflict, which is basically what we are facing. If you go about it like a bull in a china shop, indiscriminately shooting people who you suspect might could be terrorists or rounding up and torturing innocents along with suspects, or razing a city of 300,000, you will alienate the vast middle strata of Islam.

    These are the folks who want democracy, who want to simply be allowed to live a free and decent life. They may have varying opinions about how much religion should be in their politics, and how much politics should be in their religion, but they're certainly not the type to send their kids to a madrassa or strap on the bombs themselves.

    They are the ones who want conflict to end and to live in peace. And, by and large, they have no objection to letting the American people live in peace, so long as we let them live in peace.

    The way to win the 'war on terra' then is to cut deals. Force a solution to the Israel/Palestinian thing, stop construction of the 14 permanent bases in Iraq, cease propping up repressive dictators, stop mistreating Muslims at home, and go out and make it impossible for those moderates to ignore our numerous acts of good works (here the latent Catholic in me comes out).

    If the moderates see the US as at worst a neutral force, then they will be receptive to incentives we might give them - from massive amounts of aid to a recognition of Islam's positive contribution to global society - in exchange for information about terror and their own efforts to isolate radicals.

    This would be the smart and logical thing to do. So of course we won't do it.

    The US wants to fight and win this struggle on its terms. It wants its cake and wants to eat it, too. It wants to impose its will on others and have them like it. It wants to continue to reorder the Middle East according to its own political wishes, damn the consequences.

    And our conservative wing at home, always xenophobic and intolerant, wants to use this conflict to attack Islam, to cast the whole religion and all its adherents as bloodthirsty murderers.

    In such a climate, compromise and deal-making with the essential local forces who will ultimately provide the keys to ending terror is impossible.

    It is why we WILL lose the 'war on terra'. And suffer the damnable consequences.

    I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day
    Neither is California High Speed Rail

    by eugene on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 10:56:46 AM PDT

    •  Actually... (none / 1)

      ...Just to clarify, the Bush administration is just so clueless on the middle east, they thought they could win the support of Iraqi's by proxy; Just because they eliminated Husseins rule. The people who knew what they would be up against, the Generals who knew what you are saying were fired before going into Iraq. This tells me that democratization of Iraq has never been a goal of the Bush administration. They just wanted to set up another U.S. puppet government and call it a democracy.

      As Iraq fell apart, as it was bound to do, the Iraqi people realized we were just occupiers, not liberators. As a result of the Bush administrations miscalculation we have been losing many lives. Granted, the terminally ignorant wingers jumped on board as a result and now call for leveling the place because those damned Iraqi's are just ungrateful, right?

      I should also state, there are those in Iraq who don't want a democratic Iraq and are working to prevent democracy, in direct contravention of the will many of the moderate people there. We could have kept those people in check if democratization had been our real goal. But George Bush's little mid east experiment in empire has gone horribly awry and we are all going to pay the price for it for years to come.

      It really just reaches down to the depths of cluelessness that inhabits every thought within this administration and its supporters. Has there ever been a U.S. administration, SCLM, and electorate so devoid of any concept of consensus reality in our history?

      The sleep of reason produces monsters.

      by Alumbrados on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 11:46:57 AM PDT

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  •  No, We Are Not Our President (4.00 / 10)

    This is the opportunity to show that American people are not the same as the President of the country.  Rather than focus on what Bush will not do, we should focus on what the American people will do in spite of their President.

    Let's focus attention on all of the relief efforts that really reflect who Americans are - Red Cross, Doctors Without Borders, Americares, etc.  Let's pay attention to the massive donations that American citizens will make on their own.

    There is a significant relief effort from the American people, even if not their government.

    •  This is what the Democratic leadership (4.00 / 2)

      should be saying.  

      "We are not our president.  Not all Americans are callous conservatives."

      They should get on with it and shout it from every rooftop.

      Right before they propose a billion dollar aid package.  Fully supported by every congressional Democratic party member. Surprise the ship out of the Republicans and force them to either table it or veto it or vote for it (Which they will hate to do, what will the militant conservatives think?).  How do you like them apples?  

      F***, It's only 0.5% of what we're spending in Iraq.  Why not?  They shoot it down, they'll end up paying for it in 2 years.  They pass it, America gains a minor victory in the war on terror.

      And this act will actually be constructive towards ending the war on terror.

      Sadly, much of the damage is probably already done and any attempt to send more will be seen as just more political maneuvering by America, not to be seen as compassionate, but just not to be hated as much.  (Very much like the difference between playing to win or playing not to lose.  BushCo plays not to lose.)  Though if it comes from people who say that they are not our president, then very likely it will be seen positively.

  •  He Doesn't Care (none / 0)

    I wonder whether he has any interest in peace.  He has not shown any interest in the real root causes of events like 9/11, so why try to remedy them?  And if he did do the right thing and win over the Muslim world, he wouldn't have his big bad enemy anymore.  For Bush, diplomacy is counterproductive to his goals.

    100,000 dead?  Whatever.  But they damn well better have his shiny new cowboy boots shined for his $40 million inauguration.

  •  W will never be considered a statesman (none / 0)

    Ws scowl and pettiness aside, I see little to no good in comparing what one country 'officially' gives or doesn't.

    As a Canadian I would've liked to have seen a minimum of a $1 per person as a first government gesture but I know it will be tenfold in private money, clothes, food, medicine and peoplepower.

    Watching the news footage reminds us that we are all the same, human beings of significance that can be taken at a moments notice.

    ~ have a powerful day ~

    by moeman on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 10:58:45 AM PDT

    •  As a Canadian (none / 1)

      I'm somewhat alright with our initial contribution of $4 million but I will certainly be writing to my prime minister, the minister of foreign affairs, and my local MP (Stephen Harper, leader of the opposition, who'd better not make this political), to increase our contributions as we find out what's needed.

      We're a giving nation and I trust that my government won't let us down. The people of Canada would not stand for that.

      We are also very sensitive to members of the South Asian community within our midst and will do what we can to support them as well. In Calgary, my mayor has declared that the next ten days in Calgary are Southeast Disaster Relief Days so we can all focus on providing aid.

      "I have lived with several Zen masters -- all of them cats." - Eckhart Tolle

      by catnip on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 11:09:40 AM PDT

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    •  Increase in Canadian aid, use of DART (none / 0)

      I think a few others have mentioned it, but Canada dramatically increased its aid to $40 million today, up from the $4 million.  DART is also sending an advance team to the area tomorrow to determine where additional help is needed.  No one's said yet whether all of DART will be deployed.
  •  2 billion a week in Iraq.. (3.50 / 2)

    and the best we can do is in the millions pricetag?
    Certainly this is the EPIC CRISIS OF THE DAY!

    Right now Iraq is broken arm in the middle of a twenty car flaming highspeed interstate pile up compared to this emergency.

    I see George on my TV this morning saying what humanitarians we are the US, when all he is really doing is just pissing on a forest fire and saying "look how helpful I am!"

    He'll probably give himself a fucking medal next week for his prompt response to this crisis.

    Liar. Liar. Pants under fire.

    by God loves goats on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 11:00:13 AM PDT

  •  let us not forget Africa (4.00 / 3)

    East Africa's body counts may not have reached the thousands or tens of thousands, but they are suffering too:

    Tsunami devastates Somali island

    Most buildings on the Somali island of Hafun were swept away by the deadly Indian Ocean tsunami, an emergency aid relief team has revealed.
    Roads washed away by the sea are hampering the delivery of food aid to some 4,500 islanders affected.

    Waves which swept 7,000km (4,000 miles) from the epicentre left a trail of smashed buildings and boats along the East African coast.

    More than 130 people in East Africa are known to have died in the floods.

    Cholera fear

    "Almost 95% of Hafun's buildings have been destroyed," the UN World Food Programme's Ali Issay - part of the first relief team to reach victims of the tsunami - told the BBC's Focus on Africa programme.

    Dazed inhabitants have moved to higher ground and are wandering about asking for help, as there is no food and no fresh water on the island, he said.

    "We have nothing," destitute people told him.

    . . .

    Countries along the East African coast are still trying to assess the total loss of life and damage caused by the tsunami.

    Ten people drowned in Tanzania and more than 1,000 people have been made homeless in Madagascar.

    Three people died in the Seychelles, where a bridge linking the main airport and capital, Victoria, was destroyed while a village in northern Mauritius was submerged for almost three hours following the surges.

    The president is Lucy, and he's holding a football. We're Charlie Brown. - Bob Herbert

    by djinniya on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 11:00:30 AM PDT

    •  The AID epidemic in Africa Has Been Ignored (4.00 / 5)

      Panic reigns in the press over this from time to time, but no real work or money is being devoted to the African AIDS Pandemic -- not anywhere commensurate with the need anyway.

       So, after a couple weeks of horrifying pictures and stories of humanitarian crises, the news focus on the Asian Tsunami will also pass and they will be left essentially to fend for themselves with whatever resources the long-suffering private aid agencies can muster.  Yes, Americans will send a lot, especially within the next few weeks, but just wait until the next Lorena Bobbit, or OJ Simpson, or Scott Peterson comes along to titillate the entertainment-media-junkies....

      Fuzzy only works for pets.

      by NotFuzzy on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 11:21:48 AM PDT

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    •  The Somali tragedy... (none / 0)

      Of course, they don't want to focus on the place where a Black Hawk helicopter went down.  And besdies, like Nick Nolte's character said in Hotel Rwanda., Europeans and Americans don't give a shyt about African disasters, natural or otherwise.  Not no more.

      Of course, the SCLM would rather focus on white, shivering children who have lost their parents or mild looking Thais losing it over the bodies of their loved ones.

      This was a far-reaching tragedy.  How has the BBC handled this sorrowful occasion?  Or is it harder for newspeople to reach these areas?

      An untypical Negro...since 1954.

      by blksista on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 03:11:50 PM PDT

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      •  BBC (none / 0)

        I don't know what BBC is doing on TV, as I don't have it, but I wouldn't know anything about East African losses without the BBC website.

        The president is Lucy, and he's holding a football. We're Charlie Brown. - Bob Herbert

        by djinniya on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 03:26:09 PM PDT

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  •  Perspective (4.00 / 2)

    As I have indicated in prior posts, we are willing to spend over $100 million just to capture Saddam, Uday, Kusay and Osama alone.

    Kind of shows the values of these right wing fanatics.

  •  "We'll Give A Lot More Later" (none / 0)

    seems to be the message from Powell and Bush.
    That sounds familiar, like the massive amount of funds for AIDS in Africa that GW promised in his State of the Union address. But so far only a small percentage of that has been actually spent. Once the world spotlight is off, the Bushies decide that saving that dough for future tax cuts suits their supporters much better.

    We are the ones we've been waiting for

    by jpgod on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 11:04:13 AM PDT

  •  Any Fundies Comment Yet? (none / 0)

    So, have the likes of Farwell and Robertson made any connections between this horible catastrophe and the sins of the muslins?

    Guy Andrew Hall a.k.a. Rook

    by Rook on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 11:04:52 AM PDT

    •  Half of the affected people (4.00 / 4)

      are not Muslims.  They are Buddhist or Hindu, most probably.  We should not identify this multi-national tragedy with just one group.  The whole area needs our help.

      In the early 1980's I visited many of the affected areas in Thailand, Sri Lanka and surrounding islands.  In addition to horror and sadness, one thought I had is that this is what the global rise in sea level will look like.  The Maldives are just a few feet above sea level. In parts of Bangkok high tide reached into the streets even then.

      The other thought is that this may be the prelude to increased vulcanism under the Indian Ocean.  The area of the earthquakes was huge--600 miles long.  The area needs warning systems for rising sea levels for many reasons.  Humanitarian aid is just the beginning.

       

      "Do not forget that every people deserves the regime it is willing to endure." ---The White Rose, 1942

      by Mimikatz on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 11:30:11 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Sorry, (none / 0)

        I should have qualified it with a "in the same manner that they condemned liberals/heathens after 9/11."

        I certainly don't believe this was the act of a vengeful God. Just an act of nature.

        Guy Andrew Hall a.k.a. Rook

        by Rook on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 01:31:22 PM PDT

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      •  Climate change effects (none / 0)

        I agree that the tsunami, though geological in origin, is a prelude to the kind of damage that will become more frequent as oceans rise and storms increase, causing storm surges that will wash inland. The Maldives will certainly be underwater, along with a lot of other islands and atolls. Most of the world's population lives on coasts.

        The cause of this accelerated global climate change, as we all know, is greenhouse gases from tail pipes and smokestacks.

         Not only are they changing the climate and setting off a series of events that are resulting in the melting of ice caps and glaciers, these pollutants are killing people around the world at the estimated rate of nearly 3 million deaths per year (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease and lung cancer; if you add cardiovascular disease, the number grows to nearly 9 million).

         A lot of these deaths are preventable.  They're caused by the burning of fossil fuels and biomass.

        The IPCC predicts average global temperatures to rise enough by 2050 to put 20-30% of all species at risk for extinction.

        by Plan9 on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 02:30:01 PM PDT

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      •  All of the affected people (none / 0)

        are human beings.
  •  BUSH JUST DOESN'T GET IT (none / 0)

    I agree completely with the WAPO comments.  I couldn't believe that Bush - himself - wasn't immediately on a plane to Indonesia with bags of money for relief.  What a fucking fool!!

    I guess he thinks the only way into the hearts and minds of Muslims is by being consistent...with death and destruction delivered by our kids while he hides out in Crawford.  Of course, he's not welcome in Iraq with any more plastic turkeys.

  •  Once upon a time... (4.00 / 7)

    ...the source of this country's greatness was not only its strength, but its generosity.  Granted, that generosity wasn't always apparent (just ask the Native Americans), but when it came out it was pretty decisive.  Consider World War II -- first we marshalled an overwhelming force, then we rebuilt friend and foe alike.  Never in the history of the planet had such a thing happened.

    Heck, our generosity was such that it could even be satirized.  Remember "The Mouse That Roared", starring Peter Sellers, Peter Sellers, and Peter Sellers? A small, bankrupt country declares war on the US so that when they lose they can get lots of foreign aid.  (Hilarity ensues when they accidentally win.)  Can you see that as a viable premise for a comedy today?

    One more thing they have take away from us, these fools who claim God blesses America.

    Now we are in the hands of people who think only in terms of strength.  Might and only might makes right, and there is simply no room in their calculus for any other consideration.  I am less troubled by our "stinginess" -- which is very troubling -- than I am by the nagging suspicion that for our good friends in the Bush administration, this is something other than a catastrophe.

    If ever there was a moment for someone who claims his favorite political philosopher to be Jesus to  demonstrate his commitment to that political philosophy, this is that moment.  Sadly, I believe Mr. Bush has in fact demonstrated graphically just how committed he is to that philosophy.

    "The Romans brought on their own demise, but it took them centuries. Bush has finished America in a mere 7 years." -- Paul Craig Roberts

    by Roddy McCorley on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 11:05:44 AM PDT

    •  Now, let's use some common sense (none / 0)

      why do you think we were so "generous" after WWII?

      a) the pure goodness of our hearts.

      b) to keep Europe from turning to the only other superpower, and going all communist instead of partly communist.

      Nations do not have ideals, only fiscal interests. Individual citizens may act out of sentiment or ethics, but governments do not. They act from [perceived] best interest to their most valued supporters, who since before 1898 have been the Titans of Industry, who sell steel and fuel and other things very necessary to building and running an empire.

      Turning our backs on Germany would have given all of Germany instead of half to the SSSR. Turning our backs on England/France/Belgium/Holland/Denmark would have given us no place where we could put our cold war bases, and then what would Union Steel and the rest of the Scaife buddies have done, without their Forever War investments.

      This is as obvious as the fact that the presence of oil is what makes one country's dictator unacceptable, another's ignorable, or that straddling a waterway is a good way to both get rich and invaded, by turns.

      But nobody ever uses cold reason when looking at history...

      "Don't be a janitor on the Death Star!" - Grey Lady Bast (change @ for AT to email)

      by bellatrys on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 05:38:53 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Yeah, and...? (none / 0)

        Generosity and altruism are not synonymous, anymore than are force and power.  Of course we acted in our own interests.  The point is we understood how to do that in a way that didn't involve killing and destruction -- just the opposite.  

        And now our "leaders" are only willing to employ "shock and awe."  By so doing, they are acting against our own interests.  

        "The Romans brought on their own demise, but it took them centuries. Bush has finished America in a mere 7 years." -- Paul Craig Roberts

        by Roddy McCorley on Thu Dec 30, 2004 at 08:03:56 AM PDT

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  •  excuse me, but (none / 1)

    they are brown and they are not cuban nazis, so george bush and the republicans don't give a rat's ass about them.
  •  It's even worse (3.66 / 3)

    Bush announced that he is sending an aircraft carrier and a Marine expeditionary force to the affected region, and has formed a 'core group' with India, Australia and Japan to oversee disaster relief (of a similar nature?) in the region.

    The omission of Indonesia, ally in the War on Terror and epicenter of the cataclysm, from this group of insiders sends a clear and clearly insensitive message: Muslims are not members of the country club, have never been members of the country club, will never be members of the country club.

    But we're sending troops to Sumatra. That should count for something.

    Watch out for the giant ground sloths.

    by cskendrick on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 11:09:16 AM PDT

  •  In normal times (none / 0)

    ...A child dies every 15 seconds of diarrhea.
    In the aftermath of the tsunami, waterborne diseases are expected to rise, due to lack of clean water, etc.
    Horrible.  I just heard on MSNBC that the death rate (from the tsunami) is likely to double due to these diseases.

    War is not an adventure. It is a disease. It is like typhus. - Antoine De Saint-Exupery

    by Margot on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 11:10:38 AM PDT