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Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 10:54:42 AM PST

It has repercussions in the "war on terror". Juan Cole remarks on the lost opportunity:
As John F. Harris and Robin Wright of the Washington Post cannily note, US President George W. Bush has missed an important opportunity to reach out to the Muslims of Indonesia. The Bush administration at first pledged a paltry $15 million, a mysteriously chintzy response to what was obviously an enormous calamity. Bush himself remained on vacation, and now has reluctantly agreed to a meeting of the National Security Council by video conference. If Bush were a statesman, he would have flown to Jakarta and announced his solidarity with the Muslims of Indonesia (which has suffered at least 40,000 dead and rising).

Indeed, the worst-hit area of Indonesia is Aceh, the center of a Muslim separatist movement, and a gesture to Aceh from the US at this moment might have meant a lot in US-Muslim public relations. Bin Laden and Zawahiri sniffed around Aceh in hopes of recruiting operatives there, being experts in fishing in troubled waters. Doesn't the US want to outflank al-Qaeda? As it is, the president of the United States is invisible and on vacation (unlike several European heads of state), and could think of nothing better to do than announce a paltry pledge. As Harris and Wright rightly say, the rest of the world treated the US much better than this after September 11.

Bush's own Pentagon released a report blaming the Iraq quagmire on negative attitudes toward the US in the Muslim world and weak presidential leadership in reversing that global hostility.
The information campaign -- or as some still would have it, "the war of ideas," or the struggle for "hearts and minds" -- is important to every war effort. In this war it is an essential objective, because the larger goals of U.S. strategy depend on separating the vast majority of non-violent Muslims from the radical-militant Islamist-Jihadists. But American efforts have not only failed in this respect: they may also have achieved the opposite of what they intended.
This unimaginable, horrible catastrophe, had the potential to demonstrate the "compassionate" side of the United States and reap goodwill in the Muslim world (much like Clinton's Kosovo liberation did for some time.)

Instead, we just handed Osama Bin Laden a PR bonanza. And you better believe Muslim charities -- many run by radicals like Hamas -- will fill the void and fan the flames of discontent.

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  •  How Would the World React to another 9/11 (4.00 / 6)

    Hard to believe there would be candlelight vigils across the world given the arrogance we have displayed these last few years.... coupled now with our own lack of expressed compassion.

    I keep coming back to the unhappy fact that this is OUR government, OUR face to the world, even though we worked so goddammed hard to avoid it!

    Fuzzy only works for pets.

    by NotFuzzy on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 10:47:58 AM PST

  •  Why be compassionate when... (4.00 / 3)

    ...God is striking down our Muslim foes?

    (Before I get flamed, yes, that was sarcasm).

  •  uh (none / 1)

    At the risk of sounding like a freeper, can we at least wait and see what the US winds up doing before we start throwing stones. How much did France give so far?

    The 60s weren't that fricking great. Get over yourselves already, Boomers.

    by The Youthful Bede on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 10:48:21 AM PST

    •  on the one hand - sure enough (4.00 / 2)

      the 35 mill is probably just a start.

      on the other hand, if bushco was sincerely interested in defeating terrorism it doesn't take a masters degree to realize our initial response helps the terrorists make us look like assholes.

      ergo.  bushco really isn't interested in defeating terrorism.

      •  Initial Offers Generally Run 10% of Total (4.00 / 3)

        as reported today in WaPo, anyway, but the point here is that we just missed this HUGE opportunity to win back some hearts and minds in Muslim Indonesia.  Remember that government communications report that came out a couple months back, castigating the government's diplomatic efforts and misguided messages?

        But this issue is more than world politics or diplomacy or appearances, it is the matter of showing the rest of humanity that we RECOGNIZE THEIR HUMANITY, and as a people aren't hopelessly drowning in our own hubris.  Yes, the American people will respond mightily through private donations to the Red Cross, Unicef and other relief agencies, but it would be nice if our government had been out in front on this one.

        Fuzzy only works for pets.

        by NotFuzzy on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 11:07:54 AM PST

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      •  More Republican word/money funny stuff (3.80 / 5)

        As I understand it, the initial offer was for U.S. $15 million as a grant of aid. After shock from the international community, Dim Son allowed Colin Powell to prostrate himself once again on the world stage and increase the total to $35 million with a catch.

        The additional $20 million is as a line of credit, meaning the expectation is that it will be paid back.

        So, what we've really "given" is only $15 million. But now the headlines can make things look "better" by saying $35 mil.

        If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.--A Boston cabbie, to Gloria Steinem, in the 1970s

        by Mnemosyne on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 12:33:16 PM PST

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        •  LOL (none / 0)

          Dim Son is a great name.  And you are right about the "Line of Credit".  Freeping Jesus Freak doesn't even know how to be generous.  He's had it all and doesn't want anybody else to have any.  You know - what I got from the Christian religion must have been something different entirely from what they are dishing out now.  I got "what you do unto the least of these you do unto Me" and "judge not".  What the sam hill are they teaching these nuts?
        •  I couldn't help but comment on your line.... (none / 1)

          "The Bushie fever with Saddam left Osama free to scram."

          and the other night I was watching the National Geographic channel show "Seconds from Disaster" about Oklahoma City. It made me think....If Bush were president in 1995, Timothy McVeigh would still be free and America would be observing it's 10th anniversary of fighting in Iraq.

        •  Is this really my country? (none / 0)

          N/T

          The God I know says no to H8...

          by crkrjx on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 03:33:22 PM PST

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          •  Time warp (none / 1)

            Some days, I think we've fallen through a rip in the time-space continuum and will find ourselves with Eckels, the protagonist of Ray Bradbury's great short story "A Sound of Thunder."

            Eckels is a time traveler who, against instructions, alters something in the past and returns to find his present unlike the one he left -- but scarifyingly like what ours is becoming. Read it and see.

            If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.--A Boston cabbie, to Gloria Steinem, in the 1970s

            by Mnemosyne on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 04:36:22 PM PST

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            •  I've posted an ObRef to that sometimes (none / 1)

              just "Who stepped on the butterfly, dammit?" not just to see who gets it but because it really does express so much about the present.

              We are down the wrong leg of the Trousers of Time...

              "Don't be a janitor on the Death Star!" - Grey Lady Bast (change @ for AT to email)

              by bellatrys on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 05:21:42 PM PST

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              •  wasn't (none / 0)

                that from a Bradbury story about time travel or some such?  At this point, would stepping on the butterfly be all that bad?

                It's still upsetting for some people to know that the hippies were the ones telling the truth about Vietnam and trying to help America. - Anonymous

                by eunichorn on Thu Dec 30, 2004 at 03:17:37 AM PST

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                •  How do we know somebody already hasn't? (none / 0)

                  I love alternate universe stories. One can only speculate what would have happened here if Al Gore would have been President...but it's fun to speculate, and it certainly could not have been any worse.

                  "It's said that the cream rises to the top. Unfortunately, so does the scum."

                  by Black Brant on Thu Dec 30, 2004 at 12:08:11 PM PST

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        •  Context (4.00 / 2)

          They're spending $40 million on a second term inauguration.

          Does anybody seriously think they're doing enough? This is the worst natural disaster in a lifetime. This is where America is supposed to step up. We're the richest nation in the world. Yet what I hear (News Hour tonight) are explanations about how we have been so generous in the past.

          And where is the loyal opposition on this? Senator Reid? Paging Senator Reid.

      •  It was my second thought (none / 0)

        when I heard of the $35 million - what a wasted opportunity - but, shame on me. How many dead now? Eighty thousand people and thousands  more missing and thousands predicted to die from disease, and still counting.

        Bush et al. are probably gleeful that the latest Iraq massacre - 30 Iraqi policemen lured into a building and then blown up - has been pushed to the back pages.

        It is indeed an ill wind.

    •  apples and oranges (4.00 / 4)

      What's with the France bashing?  Besides, the US is the "world's only superpower" not France.  That's an implied (self-proclaimed?) leadership in world affairs.  And that leadership is busy clearing brush while others suffer.  Hooray for moral values.
      •  one wonders (none / 1)

        if the Saudi crown prince got a hang nail how quickly junior would get his ass on a plane to massage his feet....
      •  I agree (4.00 / 5)

        These comparisons of who is giving what really are pointless. The real concern ought to be: is your government representing you in a way that makes you proud and to the extent you believe this disaster deserves?

        "I have lived with several Zen masters -- all of them cats." - Eckhart Tolle

        by catnip on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 10:58:40 AM PST

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      •  In a diplomatic sense, the money (none / 1)

        might not be as big a deal as the short shrift Bush has given this disaster in the whole "outpouring of public support" sense. International diplomacy is as much about appearances and public displays as it is about cash.
      •  Lack of leadership (none / 1)

        is really striking.  At a time like this, the region needs resources and coordination, plus sympathy.  Bush is the face to do the last one, and he failed.  We could also supply resources (which we have, a little) and organization.  The people who know how to deal with disasters, the command structures and the like.  There appears to be total silence on this front.

        It is always all about him (Bush) and all about us.  If it isn't, it doesn't exist.   That is something the rest of the world really, really resents about us.  

        Your new Democratic Party: Billions for the bankster boys and not one dime for abortions. Even if it's your dime.

        by Mimikatz on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 11:08:58 AM PST

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        •  Since when did the left (4.00 / 2)

          start looking to GWB for leadership?

          Have you all forgotten the GWB is a classic cheapskate?  He only dips into his federal piggybank when it will directly benefit him and his cronies.  Do you think the federal money allocated for the survivors of 9/11 had anything to do with those people?  No, it was primarily to shut off lawsuits against the airlines and secondarily to quell public opinion and sentiment that we all had to help the families of less than 3,000 people.

          GWB is also skilled at bargaining.  He lowballs his first offer because that is the best approach to getting what you need at the lowest price.

          "Dulled conscience, irresponsibility, and ruthless self-interest already reappear. Such symptoms of prosperity may become portents of disaster!" FDR - 1937

          by Marie on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 11:26:01 AM PST

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        •  What a real president would have said: (none / 0)

          "Our entire nation is saddened by the loss of life suffered by the people of many countries. I pledge that our country, the wealthiest, yet most generous in the world, will provide whatever aid is required. I have authorized an initial allotment of $100 million in aid and am prepared to authorize more if necessary. I also ask all American citizens to provide donations to the many relief organizations that are helping in the recovery effort."

          What we got:

          "Hey Dick, what's a Suenommy? Is that one of them lawsuits trial lawyers are usin' to bankrupt 'Merica?"

    •  fair enough (none / 1)

      But, in the meantime, your president is staying on vacation in Crawford and holding a video conference with the NSC instead of meeting with them in person.

      How big does a disaster have to be before he actually stops vacationing and starts working on behalf of all Americans?

      "I have lived with several Zen masters -- all of them cats." - Eckhart Tolle

      by catnip on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 10:56:20 AM PST

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    •  we're talking about our country... (none / 1)

      what the hell does France have to do with it?

      I expect the President to be generous and to behave like a world leader in a time of crisis. I have no control over what other countries do or how much they give.

      Sadly, the numbers show we are a stingy nation...

      Among the world's two dozen wealthiest countries, the United States often is among the lowest in donors per capita for official development assistance worldwide, even though the totals are larger. According to the Paris-based Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development of 30 wealthy nations, the United States gives the least -- at 0.14 percent of its gross national product, compared with Norway, which gives the most at 0.92 percent...

      Aid grows amid questions about Bush

      As an American, I am ashamed that our President will spend billions of dollars in a brutal war of choice, while offering only the tiniest token aid after the worst natural disaster in history.

      Guess its only worth the money if Little Georgie can kill him some 'terrists'...

      Mr. Bush, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

      by pacific city on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 11:01:23 AM PST

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      •  Speaking of France (none / 1)

        In addition to the charities Kos listed, you can give to Doctors Without Borders (Medecins sans Frontieres) here and if that doesn't work, type www.doctorswithoutborders.org and you will get to the site.  They are already on-site in Aceh with medical supplies and people.  They say half the place is destroyed.

        Your new Democratic Party: Billions for the bankster boys and not one dime for abortions. Even if it's your dime.

        by Mimikatz on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 12:07:32 PM PST

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    •  Other countries aid (none / 1)

      http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,11810352%255E1702,00.html

      This site has a list of other countries.  

      AUSTRALIA: Increased its aid to $US27 million ($35 million)

      BRITAIN: Pledged STG15 million ($37.2 million)

      DENMARK: Increased aid pledge by maximum 85 million Danish crowns ($20.05 million)

      EUROPEAN UNION: Ready to release up to 30 million euro ($52.6 million)

      Now for France:

      FRANCE: Foreign Minister Michel Barnier in Sri Lanka, then Thailand. Has earmarked 100,000 euro ($175,160) for relief

      But note that they're partly covered by the EU aid.

      •  US and Denmark (none / 0)

        It's pretty sad when we're in the same ballpark as Denmark.  Here's a quick comparison of the US and Denmark.

        US

        Population: 293,655,404
        GDP: $10,881,609 million

        Denmark

        Population: 5,397,640
        GDP: $155,000 million

        This isn't just a question of this disaster.  Our priorities are completely out-of-whack.  We can't help the poorest of the poor, keep our libraries open or provide basic health-care services, but we can spend $177 million a day destroying Iraq.

        •  Other sad thing (none / 0)

          It seems like our GDP has been stuck in the $10-$11 trillion range for, oh, 'bout four years.

          Which doesn't jibe with official reports of the wonderful, no, unsurpassed Bush recovery.

          I seem to recall that the former Soviet Union had a similar disconnect.

          pause

          Reality never seemed to get the message that the official economy was doing great. :)

      •  Canada - went from 4 mil to 40 million $ Cdn (none / 0)

        ...today.
      •  The Vatican, (none / 0)

        a nation-state the size of a thimble, on Monday morning pledged approximately $3 million plus - as just an initial step in financial assistance.

        The Pope - a disabled, elderly man - spoke about the horrible tragedy on Monday or Tuesday, urging people to pray and give.

        Meanwhile, the Chimp-in-chief can't be bothered while bike-riding and clearing fake brush to even come out and say a few words of condolence and our government had to be shamed into increasing the financial assistance from $5 mil to $15 mil to $30 mil.

        And these people talk about 'moral values' and Christianity?  I'm amazed.

        Cheering when America loses 2016 Olympics, jeering when our President wins Nobel Peace Prize: Do Republicans hate America???

        by RobertInWisconsin on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 08:50:17 PM PST

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    •  uh (none / 0)

      France has problems with the world Muslim community -- particularly as it comes to grips with its own large Muslim minority -- but it's not embroiled in a major military effort where some good PR with Muslims would be a welcome relief; it's not the world's only superpower; it's a nation with 1/6 the population of the United States.

      It would have been far better to have left off a dollar figure on the amount of aid proposed than to put out $35 million. Hell, Rudy Guiliani refused a gift of $10 million from a Saudi prince for cleanup and recovery after 9/11. If a Saudi prince can offer $10 million to what is arguably the richest city in the world after a disaster that took 3,000 lives and we can refuse it, how does it look to people when we offer just a few times that (initially, even less) when the death toll is 60,000 and climbing?

    •  It don't matter (3.50 / 2)

      The question is not how much cash the U.S. eventually kicks in (and most of that $35 million, by the way, is in the form of loans anyway).  It's the impression Chimpy gave to the world by spending the day on his phony ranch, "clearing brush," having nothing to say, and making no display of leadership of the world community in responding to the crisis, etc. He didn't want to appear unmanly by acting all compassionate, y'know.

      What is it with these demented Republican presidents spending their free time "clearing brush," anyway? That was Reagan's favorite hobby too.  What's he proposing to do with the cleared area?  Plant cantaloupes?  

    •  who cares what france gave!!!! (none / 1)

      we are the richest country in the world and he's offered the worse catastrophe in 200 years what  turns out to be what we spend in Iraq for 2 and 1/2 hours.

      Can we as citizens do anything?  

      It is going to be a very long 4 years.

      Confucius say: Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves.

      by bluecayuga on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 11:45:15 AM PST

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    •  No idea, but... (none / 0)

      ...Britian's opening offering was £15m, or between $28m and $29m, and the European Commission gave about $17m. So those two totals already eclipse the US total - now given the US's GDP is $10,990,000,000,000, and the UK's GDP is $1,666,000,000,000, so the US's economy is about 6.6 times bigger than the UK's. Yet it's only offering 1.2 times the UK's contribution. In those terms, it's pretty stingy.
    •  France has committed 15 million Euros (n/t) (none / 0)

    •  Spain has pledged $68 million... (none / 0)

      Yahoo news article on various nations' pledges.

      I think we're missing an important opportunity here - an opportunity both to do the right thing and to advance our interests.

      Bush lacks understanding and/or doesn't care about winning hearts and minds? Gee, who would've thunk?

  •  What makes anybody think (4.00 / 10)

    that GWB has any interest in reaching out to Muslims and undermine OBL?  OBL and fundamentalist Muslims will be the gift that keeps giving to the GOP for decades.  Why would they want to kill the golden goose?

    "Dulled conscience, irresponsibility, and ruthless self-interest already reappear. Such symptoms of prosperity may become portents of disaster!" FDR - 1937

    by Marie on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 10:50:17 AM PST

  •  This is typical and so very, very sad (4.00 / 4)

    EVERYTHING Bush does perpetuates the conflict. EVERYTHING. Its all war, all the time.

    1984 in 2004.

    It's hard to be outraged when every day brings a further outrage.  

    I am running out of outrage.

    Freedom does not march. I saw an invasion. I see an occupation. I don't see a war. "Constant war is not a family value." Cindy Sheehan 8/22/05

    by ex republican on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 10:50:44 AM PST

  •  Why win hearts and minds? (none / 1)

    As a GOP friend of mine quipped - Bush and his team have now "won" two presidential elections by refusing to work with a hostile SCLM or reach out to Democrats.

    They seem to have the same attitude towards the Muslim world. They don't like us anyway, so there's no point in trying to win them over.

    - "You're Hells Angels, then? What chapter are you from?"
    - REVELATIONS, CHAPTER SIX.

    by Hoya90 on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 10:50:52 AM PST

  •  I've never been a fan of comparisons like this, (4.00 / 7)

    but you get the sense that if 76,000 white people died somewhere, the U.S. would be all over it.

    Just leaves a pretty bad taste.

    •  No Doubt (4.00 / 2)

      You can see it in the coverage. Yesterday, (I think it was on CNBC) they noted that this catastrophe may have left more orphans than any other in history. Then they showed two of them: both white.

      I get a sense that if the damage had been confined to Sumatra that we wouldn't even be talking about this, even if it killed 10,000.

      •  You better beleive it (4.00 / 2)

        This has been a typical response.  The Swedish boy that survived has bee all over the TV at least on CNN.

        Many Whites do not care about Blacks not having their votes count, or non whites dying in the Southeast, or non whites seeking work in America.

        And it goes further in our domestic policy like the shift of the tax burden to the middle and lower class and the reduction in Medicare and Medicaid funding; the reduction in Pell grants for poorer students, and the biggest shift of all the dismantling of Social Security in the way of a privatization money grab for corporate cronies of the GOP.

  •  One of my first thoughts (4.00 / 6)

    Was that Bush, by failing to commit to a massive, coordinated aid effort, financially and logistically, was missing out on a chance to make good with Indonesian Muslims.

    This thought was followed by another that pretty much answered the first thought.

    Bush does not operate by reaching out to those who (in his own eyes) are not on his side. This is how he treats Democrats; this is how he treated Old Europe and the U.N.; it is how he treated high-ranking generals in our armed forces who opposed the "war on the cheap" plan for Iraq. . .

    . . .the list goes on and on.

    The best Bush can do is a little lip service and the loose change in his pocket because those people on the other side of the planet are not on his side.

    they sentenced me to 20 years of boredom
    for trying to change the system from within

    by wanderindiana on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 10:52:40 AM PST

    •  it's the old state of mind that says (none / 1)

      when your enemy is treading water, you throw him a freaking anchor....
    •  The Third Thought (4.00 / 4)

      I remembered that last November, a U.S. Army inspector general auditing Halliburton's work in Iraq determined that Halliburton had not provided enough details to support at least $1.82 billion out of $4.3 billion of logistical work. We withheld payment from Halliburton for two days, I believe it was, for their failure to account for $1.82 billion.

      $1.82 Billion--the tip of the Halliburton iceberg, the lining in Dick Cheney's pockets--could have been summoned to help human beings in need, in dire but arbitrary circumstances.

      But instead. . .well, we all know how the story goes.

      When Congress reconvenes, they need to legislate the appropriation of some funds for the Tsunami victims and drop it right in Bush's lap.

      they sentenced me to 20 years of boredom
      for trying to change the system from within

      by wanderindiana on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 11:06:28 AM PST

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      •  Inauguration Donors Should Be Challenged (4.00 / 8)

        to match party fund donations ($40M and counting)with aid donations.......

        Fuzzy only works for pets.

        by NotFuzzy on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 11:11:06 AM PST

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        •  Speaking of the (4.00 / 3)

          inauguration, can't you just imagine the taxmarked millions going into the coming celebration of vulgarity? How much more crass it will be amid full disaster and war.

          Dancing in the palace while outside the Plague rages and hundreds of thousands die horribly and alone - am I thinking of the Decameron or of E.Poe?

          Why can't he just take the oath of office - if it's absolutely necessary - quietly and in private. Maybe in Crawford with just the family gathered around. They can toast one another afterward with cookies and kool aid. And thank their Personal Philosopher, Jesus.

    •  These are ordinary people and not all Muslims (none / 0)

      Thailand is very pro-US (at least it used to be) and the people are Buddhist.  Sri Lanka (where the second highest casualties were) is also Buddhist, with a Tamil minority.  South India isn't Muslim either, although there are Muslims throughout South and Southeast Asia.  Malaysia, yes, and the Islands, Indonesia and also the Anddamans and Nicobars, IIRC.  But this tragedy dod not happen in a perticularly "Muslim" part of the world.  

      I think its racism and self-centeredness.  Brown and "other".  

      Your new Democratic Party: Billions for the bankster boys and not one dime for abortions. Even if it's your dime.

      by Mimikatz on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 11:14:56 AM PST

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      •  Anddaman and Nicobar islands ... (none / 0)

        have mostly Christian tribals. Non-tribals (i.e. immigrants from mainland India) are I suppose mostly Hindu.
      •  The Tamils are Muslim (none / 0)

        which is why they are seeking separation from Sri Lanka, a la  Pakistan from India.  The Tamil Tigers are the armed insurrection movement.  The Phillippines, which has had its share of force of nature tragedies lately, also has a Muslim separatist movement.

        I feel for all of these people.  Bush's actions have been so sluggish and reactive, there's no real reason to think that he gives a shyt about people who are not Christian and most definitely not white.

        An untypical Negro...since 1954. More @ This Black Sista's Page.

        by blksista on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 02:59:55 PM PST

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      •  Thank you for your comment (none / 0)

        I did not mean to slight the other non-Muslim victims of the arbitrary cruelty of nature. I understand that human beings were killed and lives upended, regardless of race, color, or creed. I mentioned "Indonesian Muslims" specifically and did not intend to claim that all victims were Muslims.

        I intended to point out that from a policy standpoint, our government could have helped itself in a part of the world where it is hurting right now by spreading some good will towards humanity.

        I am ashamed of our government's failure to lead the relief effort, both financially and logistically, regardless of policy.

        they sentenced me to 20 years of boredom
        for trying to change the system from within

        by wanderindiana on Thu Dec 30, 2004 at 08:29:20 AM PST

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  •  Bush (4.00 / 2)

    Yes, being the president of the United States is "hard work" and that includes cutting short your vacation sometimes. But, he didn't do that when he read the August PDF so why would he do it now?

    As for the larger picture, that involves thinking about the international consequences, something this president abhors. A video conference with the NSC? What's so damn important out there at Crawford that he can't take the time to get on a plane and meet with them in person?

    Once again, this president has let down the citizens of the USA by refusing to represent them as they should be on the world stage. That is unforgivable. You deserve more than that. Let the WH know what you think. E-mail, call, do whatever you can to express your disgust. This is your country and your president has failed you yet again.

    "I have lived with several Zen masters -- all of them cats." - Eckhart Tolle

    by catnip on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 10:52:44 AM PST

  •  Nobody's in charge (4.00 / 2)

    Aceh is where the gas and oil fields are, along with a long-running Muslim insurgency.  If there were even one competent person in the WH or cabinet such a fact would be noted and acted upon.  

    We can't expect Bush to act out of compassion or his supporters to want to spend more on foreign, heathen victims of a catastrophe than will be spent on the coronation of the divinely chosen one in DC in January. But their collective short-sightedness suggests a profound ignorance about the importance of Indonesia in the world-energy picture.  No surprise there.

    Bush to world:  Apres moi, le deluge.

    Amory Lovins: "Coal can fill the real gaps in our fuel economy....." IPCC: Anthropogenic greenhouse gases will cause extinction of up to 70% of species by 2050.

    by Plan9 on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 10:54:28 AM PST

  •  coronation vs tsunami relief (4.00 / 4)

    No wonder Dub has been so quiet lately, especially in regards to the evolving disaster in Asia! He's bristling at the comments from the UN that the US and other "rich countries" in the world are cheapskates when it comes to relief funding, and so grudgingly has Colin Powell cough up another $20 million to a grand total of $35 million.

    I wish that I had caught this, but I have to credit Michael Moore... the inauguration/coronation cost alone stands at $40 million! Compassionate Conservatism at its best! A one day celebration is worth more to Dub than helping with 70,000 plus dead and growing; a stark equation.

    He stands with a pretty easy choice here, in my opinion:

    1)       Do the "Christian", altruistic thing and pare down the "coronation" to a simple $1 million or so swearing in ceremony. Then, pass on those corporate donations to where they can do the most good and immediately raise America's ante to $70 or $80 million for disaster relief. There's not a corporation that would dare fault him for it, and in fact, with leadership on the issue from the White House, they may be willing to contribute even more money, goods, or services. This would also go a long way to extending an olive branch to the half of the country that feels he has stolen another election, and demonstrate in a symbolic way what things he is willing to sacrifice for the unity of America.

    Or

    2)       Have the "coronation" as planned and do the "Compassionate Conservative" shuffle... "These people should have should have known better to build homes and resorts along the coast in the first place." "They should have had good insurance." "It's their own fault for not investing in a Tsunami warning system." "We'll just be harming them by bailing them out temporarily." "Sure, it's a tragedy, but they're all dead, and no amount of money will ever bring them back." "We're just opening the doors wide to future frivolous disaster claims and further waste"

    Rarely in history does anyone ever get a chance in one lifetime at a real "do-over". One could view this as a 9/11 redux. You've got an opportunity to step up and show the world what America really stands for without an ulterior motive. What's it going to be, Dub?

    Dudehisattva...

    "Generosity, Ethics, Patience, Effort, Concentration, and Wisdom"

    by Dood Abides on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 10:55:48 AM PST

  •  Muslim populations (4.00 / 5)

    Indonesia
    Total Population: 206,611,600
    Muslims Percentage:  95%
    Number of Muslims: 196,281,020

    Maldives
    Total Population: 270,758
    Muslims Percentage: 100%
    Number of Muslims: 270,758

    World Map

    Dark green is 100-70% Muslim population.

    Bush lost an incredible opportunity to show compassion to the Muslim world.  

    •  Earlier (4.00 / 7)

      I (clumsily) reported on conservative reaction to the calls for disaster relief.

      Per the Cons: Eff 'Em, in as many words.

      For Bush to send billions to aid victims of natural disaster is going against the Republican grain these days...

      The Tsunami relief effort, in Republithink

      1. It's giving away tax dollars.
      2. It's giving away tax dollars to poor people.
      3. It's giving tax dollars to poor, foreign people.
      4. It's giving tax dollars to poor, foreign Muslim people.
      5. It's giving tax dollars to poor, foreign Muslim people who criticize American policies.
      6. It's giving tax dollars to poor, foreign Muslim people who criticize American policies and therefore hate America.
      7. It's giving tax dollars to poor, foreign Muslim people who criticize American policies and therefore hate America, therefore they probably support America's enemies.
      8. It's giving tax dollars to poor, foreign Muslim people who criticize American policies and therefore hate America, therefore they probably support America's enemies, therefore they're just as bad as terrorists.
      9. It's giving tax dollars to poor, foreign
      Muslim people who criticize American policies and therefore hate America, therefore they probably support America's enemies, therefore they're just as bad as terrorists, so if anything we should be sending an aircraft carrier and Marines to make sure they know who's boss.

      Take a deep breath, start with new paradigm...

      1. It's giving away tax dollars.
      2. It's giving away tax dollars to people in need.
      3. And that's what civilized people do: help each other in time of need.
      •  Too complex for Bush Repubs (none / 0)

        I like your two lists, but the first one is way too subtle to be weasel-think.

        I think it gets down to just this:

        1. "It's giving my money away to people who want to kill me and all other Americans."

        A lot of Bush supporters indeed believe that every Muslim wants to kill us.  And as soon as you think someone else might be in need, well, that might distract you from your usual self-worship and interfere with plans about feeding your greed.  

        So it must have been God's will to destroy the unbelievers (whereas mishaps that befall Christian communities are the work of Satan).

        Amory Lovins: "Coal can fill the real gaps in our fuel economy....." IPCC: Anthropogenic greenhouse gases will cause extinction of up to 70% of species by 2050.

        by Plan9 on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 01:58:07 PM PST

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        •  What's so right on about this post (none / 0)


          ... well, that might distract you from your usual self-worship and interfere with plans about feeding your greed.  

          CNN is running almost nothing but tsunami coverage.

          FoxNews is doing everything it can to get the world's attention back on Iraq.

        •  that's what Jesus said to do (none / 0)

          Love your enemy as yourself.

          Not hard to understand, but apparently Bushites have a real problem with it.

          So much for following Jesus.

  •  in the war to win hearts and minds... (none / 1)

    the prerequsite is that you actually have a heart and a mind.

    0 and 2 for Bushie....

  •  Precisely (4.00 / 13)

    Over the break, I had occasion to talk with my conservative-leaning family members in the OC. They're not wingers, and they like to tell themselves they actually think through issues - but in reality, they prefer gut feeling over reason.

    When we discussed the 'war on terra' or Iraq, I kept explaining that the reason I opposed both was that you couldn't have a military solution to what was a fundamentally political problem. My interlocutors wanted to see terrorists as people you should just go out and shoot, a town like Falluja as a city that should be leveled. When I said this would all be counterproductive, they asked, reasonably, 'well, what's your solution?'

    And the answer is we must win the trust and allegiance of the moderate Muslims.

    This is the case with any guerrilla conflict, which is basically what we are facing. If you go about it like a bull in a china shop, indiscriminately shooting people who you suspect might could be terrorists or rounding up and torturing innocents along with suspects, or razing a city of 300,000, you will alienate the vast middle strata of Islam.

    These are the folks who want democracy, who want to simply be allowed to live a free and decent life. They may have varying opinions about how much religion should be in their politics, and how much politics should be in their religion, but they're certainly not the type to send their kids to a madrassa or strap on the bombs themselves.

    They are the ones who want conflict to end and to live in peace. And, by and large, they have no objection to letting the American people live in peace, so long as we let them live in peace.

    The way to win the 'war on terra' then is to cut deals. Force a solution to the Israel/Palestinian thing, stop construction of the 14 permanent bases in Iraq, cease propping up repressive dictators, stop mistreating Muslims at home, and go out and make it impossible for those moderates to ignore our numerous acts of good works (here the latent Catholic in me comes out).

    If the moderates see the US as at worst a neutral force, then they will be receptive to incentives we might give them - from massive amounts of aid to a recognition of Islam's positive contribution to global society - in exchange for information about terror and their own efforts to isolate radicals.

    This would be the smart and logical thing to do. So of course we won't do it.

    The US wants to fight and win this struggle on its terms. It wants its cake and wants to eat it, too. It wants to impose its will on others and have them like it. It wants to continue to reorder the Middle East according to its own political wishes, damn the consequences.

    And our conservative wing at home, always xenophobic and intolerant, wants to use this conflict to attack Islam, to cast the whole religion and all its adherents as bloodthirsty murderers.

    In such a climate, compromise and deal-making with the essential local forces who will ultimately provide the keys to ending terror is impossible.

    It is why we WILL lose the 'war on terra'. And suffer the damnable consequences.

    I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day

    by eugene on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 10:56:46 AM PST

    •  Actually... (none / 1)

      ...Just to clarify, the Bush administration is just so clueless on the middle east, they thought they could win the support of Iraqi's by proxy; Just because they eliminated Husseins rule. The people who knew what they would be up against, the Generals who knew what you are saying were fired before going into Iraq. This tells me that democratization of Iraq has never been a goal of the Bush administration. They just wanted to set up another U.S. puppet government and call it a democracy.

      As Iraq fell apart, as it was bound to do, the Iraqi people realized we were just occupiers, not liberators. As a result of the Bush administrations miscalculation we have been losing many lives. Granted, the terminally ignorant wingers jumped on board as a result and now call for leveling the place because those damned Iraqi's are just ungrateful, right?

      I should also state, there are those in Iraq who don't want a democratic Iraq and are working to prevent democracy, in direct contravention of the will many of the moderate people there. We could have kept those people in check if democratization had been our real goal. But George Bush's little mid east experiment in empire has gone horribly awry and we are all going to pay the price for it for years to come.

      It really just reaches down to the depths of cluelessness that inhabits every thought within this administration and its supporters. Has there ever been a U.S. administration, SCLM, and electorate so devoid of any concept of consensus reality in our history?

      The sleep of reason produces monsters.

      by Alumbrados on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 11:46:57 AM PST

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  •  No, We Are Not Our President (4.00 / 10)

    This is the opportunity to show that American people are not the same as the President of the country.  Rather than focus on what Bush will not do, we should focus on what the American people will do in spite of their President.

    Let's focus attention on all of the relief efforts that really reflect who Americans are - Red Cross, Doctors Without Borders, Americares, etc.  Let's pay attention to the massive donations that American citizens will make on their own.

    There is a significant relief effort from the American people, even if not their government.

    •  This is what the Democratic leadership (4.00 / 2)

      should be saying.  

      "We are not our president.  Not all Americans are callous conservatives."

      They should get on with it and shout it from every rooftop.

      Right before they propose a billion dollar aid package.  Fully supported by every congressional Democratic party member. Surprise the ship out of the Republicans and force them to either table it or veto it or vote for it (Which they will hate to do, what will the militant conservatives think?).  How do you like them apples?  

      F***, It's only 0.5% of what we're spending in Iraq.  Why not?  They shoot it down, they'll end up paying for it in 2 years.  They pass it, America gains a minor victory in the war on terror.

      And this act will actually be constructive towards ending the war on terror.

      Sadly, much of the damage is probably already done and any attempt to send more will be seen as just more political maneuvering by America, not to be seen as compassionate, but just not to be hated as much.  (Very much like the difference between playing to win or playing not to lose.  BushCo plays not to lose.)  Though if it comes from people who say that they are not our president, then very likely it will be seen positively.

  •  He Doesn't Care (none / 0)

    I wonder whether he has any interest in peace.  He has not shown any interest in the real root causes of events like 9/11, so why try to remedy them?  And if he did do the right thing and win over the Muslim world, he wouldn't have his big bad enemy anymore.  For Bush, diplomacy is counterproductive to his goals.

    100,000 dead?  Whatever.  But they damn well better have his shiny new cowboy boots shined for his $40 million inauguration.

  •  W will never be considered a statesman (none / 0)

    Ws scowl and pettiness aside, I see little to no good in comparing what one country 'officially' gives or doesn't.

    As a Canadian I would've liked to have seen a minimum of a $1 per person as a first government gesture but I know it will be tenfold in private money, clothes, food, medicine and peoplepower.

    Watching the news footage reminds us that we are all the same, human beings of significance that can be taken at a moments notice.

    ~ have a powerful day ~

    by moeman on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 10:58:45 AM PST

    •  As a Canadian (none / 1)

      I'm somewhat alright with our initial contribution of $4 million but I will certainly be writing to my prime minister, the minister of foreign affairs, and my local MP (Stephen Harper, leader of the opposition, who'd better not make this political), to increase our contributions as we find out what's needed.

      We're a giving nation and I trust that my government won't let us down. The people of Canada would not stand for that.

      We are also very sensitive to members of the South Asian community within our midst and will do what we can to support them as well. In Calgary, my mayor has declared that the next ten days in Calgary are Southeast Disaster Relief Days so we can all focus on providing aid.

      "I have lived with several Zen masters -- all of them cats." - Eckhart Tolle

      by catnip on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 11:09:40 AM PST

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    •  Increase in Canadian aid, use of DART (none / 0)

      I think a few others have mentioned it, but Canada dramatically increased its aid to $40 million today, up from the $4 million.  DART is also sending an advance team to the area tomorrow to determine where additional help is needed.  No one's said yet whether all of DART will be deployed.
  •  2 billion a week in Iraq.. (3.50 / 2)

    and the best we can do is in the millions pricetag?
    Certainly this is the EPIC CRISIS OF THE DAY!

    Right now Iraq is broken arm in the middle of a twenty car flaming highspeed interstate pile up compared to this emergency.

    I see George on my TV this morning saying what humanitarians we are the US, when all he is really doing is just pissing on a forest fire and saying "look how helpful I am!"

    He'll probably give himself a fucking medal next week for his prompt response to this crisis.

    Sorry, no, you can't have your country back. You broke it and can't be trusted with it anymore.

    by God loves goats on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 11:00:13 AM PST

  •  let us not forget Africa (4.00 / 3)

    East Africa's body counts may not have reached the thousands or tens of thousands, but they are suffering too:

    Tsunami devastates Somali island

    Most buildings on the Somali island of Hafun were swept away by the deadly Indian Ocean tsunami, an emergency aid relief team has revealed.
    Roads washed away by the sea are hampering the delivery of food aid to some 4,500 islanders affected.

    Waves which swept 7,000km (4,000 miles) from the epicentre left a trail of smashed buildings and boats along the East African coast.

    More than 130 people in East Africa are known to have died in the floods.

    Cholera fear

    "Almost 95% of Hafun's buildings have been destroyed," the UN World Food Programme's Ali Issay - part of the first relief team to reach victims of the tsunami - told the BBC's Focus on Africa programme.

    Dazed inhabitants have moved to higher ground and are wandering about asking for help, as there is no food and no fresh water on the island, he said.

    "We have nothing," destitute people told him.

    . . .

    Countries along the East African coast are still trying to assess the total loss of life and damage caused by the tsunami.

    Ten people drowned in Tanzania and more than 1,000 people have been made homeless in Madagascar.

    Three people died in the Seychelles, where a bridge linking the main airport and capital, Victoria, was destroyed while a village in northern Mauritius was submerged for almost three hours following the surges.

    •  The AID epidemic in Africa Has Been Ignored (4.00 / 5)

      Panic reigns in the press over this from time to time, but no real work or money is being devoted to the African AIDS Pandemic -- not anywhere commensurate with the need anyway.

       So, after a couple weeks of horrifying pictures and stories of humanitarian crises, the news focus on the Asian Tsunami will also pass and they will be left essentially to fend for themselves with whatever resources the long-suffering private aid agencies can muster.  Yes, Americans will send a lot, especially within the next few weeks, but just wait until the next Lorena Bobbit, or OJ Simpson, or Scott Peterson comes along to titillate the entertainment-media-junkies....

      Fuzzy only works for pets.

      by NotFuzzy on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 11:21:48 AM PST

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    •  The Somali tragedy... (none / 0)

      Of course, they don't want to focus on the place where a Black Hawk helicopter went down.  And besdies, like Nick Nolte's character said in Hotel Rwanda., Europeans and Americans don't give a shyt about African disasters, natural or otherwise.  Not no more.

      Of course, the SCLM would rather focus on white, shivering children who have lost their parents or mild looking Thais losing it over the bodies of their loved ones.

      This was a far-reaching tragedy.  How has the BBC handled this sorrowful occasion?  Or is it harder for newspeople to reach these areas?

      An untypical Negro...since 1954. More @ This Black Sista's Page.

      by blksista on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 03:11:50 PM PST

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  •  Perspective (4.00 / 2)

    As I have indicated in prior posts, we are willing to spend over $100 million just to capture Saddam, Uday, Kusay and Osama alone.

    Kind of shows the values of these right wing fanatics.

  •  "We'll Give A Lot More Later" (none / 0)

    seems to be the message from Powell and Bush.
    That sounds familiar, like the massive amount of funds for AIDS in Africa that GW promised in his State of the Union address. But so far only a small percentage of that has been actually spent. Once the world spotlight is off, the Bushies decide that saving that dough for future tax cuts suits their supporters much better.

    We are the ones we've been waiting for

    by jpgod on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 11:04:13 AM PST

  •  Any Fundies Comment Yet? (none / 0)

    So, have the likes of Farwell and Robertson made any connections between this horible catastrophe and the sins of the muslins?

    Guy Andrew Hall a.k.a. Rook

    by Rook on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 11:04:52 AM PST

    •  Half of the affected people (4.00 / 4)

      are not Muslims.  They are Buddhist or Hindu, most probably.  We should not identify this multi-national tragedy with just one group.  The whole area needs our help.

      In the early 1980's I visited many of the affected areas in Thailand, Sri Lanka and surrounding islands.  In addition to horror and sadness, one thought I had is that this is what the global rise in sea level will look like.  The Maldives are just a few feet above sea level. In parts of Bangkok high tide reached into the streets even then.

      The other thought is that this may be the prelude to increased vulcanism under the Indian Ocean.  The area of the earthquakes was huge--600 miles long.  The area needs warning systems for rising sea levels for many reasons.  Humanitarian aid is just the beginning.

       

      Your new Democratic Party: Billions for the bankster boys and not one dime for abortions. Even if it's your dime.

      by Mimikatz on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 11:30:11 AM PST

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      •  Sorry, (none / 0)

        I should have qualified it with a "in the same manner that they condemned liberals/heathens after 9/11."

        I certainly don't believe this was the act of a vengeful God. Just an act of nature.

        Guy Andrew Hall a.k.a. Rook

        by Rook on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 01:31:22 PM PST

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      •  Climate change effects (none / 0)

        I agree that the tsunami, though geological in origin, is a prelude to the kind of damage that will become more frequent as oceans rise and storms increase, causing storm surges that will wash inland. The Maldives will certainly be underwater, along with a lot of other islands and atolls. Most of the world's population lives on coasts.

        The cause of this accelerated global climate change, as we all know, is greenhouse gases from tail pipes and smokestacks.

         Not only are they changing the climate and setting off a series of events that are resulting in the melting of ice caps and glaciers, these pollutants are killing people around the world at the estimated rate of nearly 3 million deaths per year (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease and lung cancer; if you add cardiovascular disease, the number grows to nearly 9 million).

         A lot of these deaths are preventable.  They're caused by the burning of fossil fuels and biomass.

        Amory Lovins: "Coal can fill the real gaps in our fuel economy....." IPCC: Anthropogenic greenhouse gases will cause extinction of up to 70% of species by 2050.

        by Plan9 on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 02:30:01 PM PST

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      •  All of the affected people (none / 0)

        are human beings.
  •  BUSH JUST DOESN'T GET IT (none / 0)

    I agree completely with the WAPO comments.  I couldn't believe that Bush - himself - wasn't immediately on a plane to Indonesia with bags of money for relief.  What a fucking fool!!

    I guess he thinks the only way into the hearts and minds of Muslims is by being consistent...with death and destruction delivered by our kids while he hides out in Crawford.  Of course, he's not welcome in Iraq with any more plastic turkeys.

  •  Once upon a time... (4.00 / 7)

    ...the source of this country's greatness was not only its strength, but its generosity.  Granted, that generosity wasn't always apparent (just ask the Native Americans), but when it came out it was pretty decisive.  Consider World War II -- first we marshalled an overwhelming force, then we rebuilt friend and foe alike.  Never in the history of the planet had such a thing happened.

    Heck, our generosity was such that it could even be satirized.  Remember "The Mouse That Roared", starring Peter Sellers, Peter Sellers, and Peter Sellers? A small, bankrupt country declares war on the US so that when they lose they can get lots of foreign aid.  (Hilarity ensues when they accidentally win.)  Can you see that as a viable premise for a comedy today?

    One more thing they have take away from us, these fools who claim God blesses America.

    Now we are in the hands of people who think only in terms of strength.  Might and only might makes right, and there is simply no room in their calculus for any other consideration.  I am less troubled by our "stinginess" -- which is very troubling -- than I am by the nagging suspicion that for our good friends in the Bush administration, this is something other than a catastrophe.

    If ever there was a moment for someone who claims his favorite political philosopher to be Jesus to  demonstrate his commitment to that political philosophy, this is that moment.  Sadly, I believe Mr. Bush has in fact demonstrated graphically just how committed he is to that philosophy.

    When you punch a lot of holes through steerage, the first-class cabins sink with the rest of the ship.

    by Roddy McCorley on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 11:05:44 AM PST

    •  Now, let's use some common sense (none / 0)

      why do you think we were so "generous" after WWII?

      a) the pure goodness of our hearts.

      b) to keep Europe from turning to the only other superpower, and going all communist instead of partly communist.

      Nations do not have ideals, only fiscal interests. Individual citizens may act out of sentiment or ethics, but governments do not. They act from [perceived] best interest to their most valued supporters, who since before 1898 have been the Titans of Industry, who sell steel and fuel and other things very necessary to building and running an empire.

      Turning our backs on Germany would have given all of Germany instead of half to the SSSR. Turning our backs on England/France/Belgium/Holland/Denmark would have given us no place where we could put our cold war bases, and then what would Union Steel and the rest of the Scaife buddies have done, without their Forever War investments.

      This is as obvious as the fact that the presence of oil is what makes one country's dictator unacceptable, another's ignorable, or that straddling a waterway is a good way to both get rich and invaded, by turns.

      But nobody ever uses cold reason when looking at history...

      "Don't be a janitor on the Death Star!" - Grey Lady Bast (change @ for AT to email)

      by bellatrys on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 05:38:53 PM PST

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      •  Yeah, and...? (none / 0)

        Generosity and altruism are not synonymous, anymore than are force and power.  Of course we acted in our own interests.  The point is we understood how to do that in a way that didn't involve killing and destruction -- just the opposite.  

        And now our "leaders" are only willing to employ "shock and awe."  By so doing, they are acting against our own interests.  

        When you punch a lot of holes through steerage, the first-class cabins sink with the rest of the ship.

        by Roddy McCorley on Thu Dec 30, 2004 at 08:03:56 AM PST

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  •  excuse me, but (none / 1)

    they are brown and they are not cuban nazis, so george bush and the republicans don't give a rat's ass about them.
  •  It's even worse (3.66 / 3)

    Bush announced that he is sending an aircraft carrier and a Marine expeditionary force to the affected region, and has formed a 'core group' with India, Australia and Japan to oversee disaster relief (of a similar nature?) in the region.

    The omission of Indonesia, ally in the War on Terror and epicenter of the cataclysm, from this group of insiders sends a clear and clearly insensitive message: Muslims are not members of the country club, have never been members of the country club, will never be members of the country club.

    But we're sending troops to Sumatra. That should count for something.

  •  In normal times (none / 0)

    ...A child dies every 15 seconds of diarrhea.
    In the aftermath of the tsunami, waterborne diseases are expected to rise, due to lack of clean water, etc.
    Horrible.  I just heard on MSNBC that the death rate (from the tsunami) is likely to double due to these diseases.

    War is not an adventure. It is a disease. It is like typhus. - Antoine De Saint-Exupery

    by Margot on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 11:10:38 AM PST

  •  Undercurrent of conservative opinion on this (3.80 / 5)

    Why should we help them? They all hate us.

    I've heard or seen variations on this theme a dozen times already out here in meat space.

    •  "They 'All' Hate Us"? How Do You Know? (none / 0)

      There are hundreds of millions of muslims in Indonesia and Africa, and somehow you know that they "all" hate us and conclude that therefore we shouldn't care what happens to them?

      First of all the premise is way wrong, and even if you were dead-on, it is EXACTLY that sort of bigoted mind-set that led the 9/11 hijackers to think that we "ALL" hated them and deserved their attacks on us, and that Allah would reward them in heaven for their martydom.  

      Fuzzy only works for pets.

      by NotFuzzy on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 11:27:22 AM PST

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    •  They didn't all hate us (none / 0)

      See my posts above.  Half of this area is Buddhist.  (Thailand, Sri Lanka and Myanmar (Burma).)  At least the Thais used to be our friends.  The Islands and Malaysia are mostly Muslim but India is not.  Don't identify a multi-national tragedy with just one group.  Anyone who knows anything about history/geography knows that this area is where the Indian and Chinese influence met, and was then heavily influenced by Muslim traders.  It is a quintessential multi-cultural crossroads.

      Your new Democratic Party: Billions for the bankster boys and not one dime for abortions. Even if it's your dime.

      by Mimikatz on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 11:35:50 AM PST

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    •  Is no one (none / 0)

      Going to read the second line of this post before responding/rating it?

      I'm going to gult a lot of good mojo out of this congregation before this is over.

      I just know it. :)

  •  Bush Needs Muslim Terrorists (none / 1)

    Otherwise the enormous military budget would be ripe for cutting. And GE, Boeing, Lockheed, et al did not contribute the big bucks to Bush and the Repugnicans to see that happen. At least our feckless leader isn't putting on the pretense of compassion when he actually feels none. At some point Karl will tell him to warm up the generousity in return for political favors from foreign governments.

    The moral arc of the universe is long, but it bends towards justice. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

    by easong on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 11:12:05 AM PST

  •  the Guardian (none / 0)

    is reporting that the death toll in Aceh could exceed 80,000:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/tsunami/story/0,15671,1380618,00.html

    As I commented elsewhere, we might be seeing more of the devastation in Aceh if journalists weren't kicked out of the region 2 years ago.

  •  Bush's real thoughts- (none / 1)

    9/11-NYC-"There just bunch of damn yankees"

    12/26-Indonesia-"Just a bunch of damn Muslims"

  •  This is unChristian (none / 0)

    If Bush was really to show his Christianity, he would be the first person to give and give when there is obvious human suffering. The "Millennium Challenge" idea is a start.
  •  Wrong fight (none / 1)

    Let's take this time to help out the people in need, and forget about chimpy.
    As long as the US govt stays ahead of the EU in donations ... and ahead of the extremist charities of any stripe ... we're golden.
    In fact, I would recommend that we send the aid under our own flag and not the UN.  It's not callous.  People should realize when we do hand out aid ... I'm looking for secular American charities this time around.
  •  One more thing (none / 0)

    A coworker of mine pointed out that our initial pledge of 15 million wouldn't even get a low budget movie made.  Even now we're well below the cost of Terminator 3.

    When you punch a lot of holes through steerage, the first-class cabins sink with the rest of the ship.

    by Roddy McCorley on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 11:26:55 AM PST

  •  Aid in PPM (4.00 / 6)

    First, it's not true that ranked by GDP the US is at the bottom. We're just near it. Here are the figures for the countries that I can get aid data on:

                Pledge        GDP [millions]   Pledge Quotient
    Australia    7,800,000       579,662       13.45
    Britain        907,000     1,606,853        0.56
    Canada       4,000,000       963,550        4.15
    China        2,600,000     6,435,838        0.40
    EU           4,000,000    35,175,761        0.11
    Japan       30,000,000     3,582,515        8.37
    Kuwait       1,000,000        37,993       26.32
    Singapore    1,200,000       104,042       11.53
    UAE          2,000,000       Unknown       Unknown
    US          15,000,000    10,871,095        1.37

    In this chart the GDP is in millions of international dollars (dollars corrected for purchasing power parity--PPP). The "Pledge Quotient" is the pledged dollars divided by the GDP. In other words, it's a measure of the number of dollars pledge per million dollars of GDP, or parts per million. (I think this is an easy way to see just how small a contribution it is. In other words, for every dollar we earn on average per year we are spending 1.37 millionths of a dollar in aid.)

    NOTE: These are very rough figures and don't take into account individual contributions, only government contributions. These figures are based on the best data I could research off the Web last night and they've probably already changed. Also, the amount for the EU is just for the EU itself and does not include contributions already pledged by many countries within the EU (Britain, France, Germany, Italy, The Netherlands, Spain, etc.) It also doesn't include non-financial aid, such as assistance by the military (especially the Indian navy and no doubt our own) nor pledges of doctors, airplanes, etc. Also, I didn't count the $20 million loan that the US put up because it's not in the same class as a grant. I can't tell if it's more of a help or a burden to give someone a loan in a country that's just been devastated. How are they supposed to pay it back?

    Looking at the data it is clear that certain countries have been particularly generous. I wouldn't say that it's a rich-country-bad/poor-country-good trend, however. In the generous category I think Australia, Canada and Japan stand out among the "rich" countries. The large immediate pledges from UAE and Kuwait are particularly noteworthy and I hope are a trend for the rich countries in the ME. But I think the real surprise is China, which I don't think of as "rich" by any stretch, and yet they came up with millions already.

    So, is the US being stingy in its aid? It remains to be seen what kind of individual contributions are given, but by government standards we are off by a factor of 5 or 10 based on our GDP.

    References:

    The best list of donors I found was at Sympatico. The GDP values are from Wikipedia, where you can find a reference for PPP.

    I copied this from the earlier discussion because the discussion seems to have moved on to a new thread.

    •  Chinese not surprising (none / 1)

      There are overseas Chinese all over Southeast Asia.  Malaysia is about 40% Chinese descent, IIRC.  (The Chinese control the bsuiness and the Malays, who are Muslims, control the politics.)  Also, this is a near market area for them.  The Dutch used to "own" Indonesia and still have ties there.  The Australians are very close by and vacation in that area quite alot.  

      We are really isolated here and don't know much about the Western Hemisphere, let alone the countries on the eastern rim of the Indian Ocean.  It is a beautiful part of the world and this is a deep, multinational tragedy.

      Your new Democratic Party: Billions for the bankster boys and not one dime for abortions. Even if it's your dime.

      by Mimikatz on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 11:40:52 AM PST

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    •  yes, out of date ... (none / 0)

      Here's below is a more up to date list. It's important to note that for all of the countries, including the US, initial pledges were made when the scale of the disaster just hadn't been realised. Figures in brackets below are in Australian Dollars.

      Source: http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,11810352%255E1702,00.html

      AUSTRALIA: Increased its aid to $US27 million ($35 million) and said it, the United States, Japan and India were considering setting up a group to coordinate help. Also sent five air force transport planes with supplies and medical specialists to Sumatra, and two 15-member emergency medical teams and 12 police to Phuket.

      AUSTRIA: Pledged 1 million euro ($1.75 million) in aid to the countries hit.

      BELGIUM: Military plane due to stop at Dubai to load most of its cargo - UNICEF aid such as tents, vaccines.

      BRITAIN: Pledged STG15 million ($37.2 million) to the devastated area and has sent plastic sheets and tents worth STG250,000 ($620,350) to Sri Lanka. Contributing STG370,000 ($918,110) to EU aid and $US100,000 ($128,500) to World Health Organisation.

      CANADA: Initial contribution of $C1 million ($1.05 million) to appeal for $US6.5 million ($8.35 million) by the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies (IFRC).

      CHINA: Offering 21.6 million yuan ($3.3 million) of aid to India, Indonesia, Thailand, Sri Lanka and Maldives.

      CZECH REPUBLIC: Sent planes to Sri Lanka and Thailand with drinking water and medicine, part of pledge of aid worth 10 million crowns ($573,120).

      DENMARK: Increased aid pledge by maximum 85 million Danish crowns ($20.05 million) after spending almost all initial 10 million crowns pledged. Aid will cover immediate needs - medical supplies, food, water, shelter - and reconstruction.

      UNICEF flight from its Copenhagen depot taking 45 tonnes of supplies to the area, including oral rehydration salts and medical supplies for 150,000 people for three months.

      EGYPT: Egyptian Red Crescent Society sending a plane with 500,000 Egyptian pounds ($104,090) worth of medicine and other aid as initial step.

      EUROPEAN UNION: Ready to release up to 30 million euro ($52.6 million) on top of 3 million euro ($5.25 million) already allocated to IFRC.

      FINLAND: Pledged 2.5 million euro ($4.38 million) spread among World Food Program, UNICEF, WHO and IFRC. Local aid groups contributed further 75,000 euro ($131,370). Finnish Red Cross has sent a field hospital with 15 staff to Sri Lanka and 31 aid workers to Thailand.

      FRANCE: Foreign Minister Michel Barnier in Sri Lanka, then Thailand. Has earmarked 100,000 euro ($175,160) for relief, sent 16 rescuers to Thailand, 10 tonnes aid to Sri Lanka.

      GERMANY: Doubling emergency aid to 2 million euro ($3.5 million). Air force medical evacuation plane to set off for Phuket, two more planes chartered to take disaster relief teams, medicines and consular officials there. Germany's largest utility E.ON to donate 1 million euro ($1.75 million).

      GREECE: Sending C-130 transport aircraft carrying 25 rescue workers to Phuket tomorrow to help with rescue operations.

      Has sent plane to Sri Lanka carrying five tonnes of food and clothing, and offered 150,000 euros in aid to each of the two countries.

      ISRAEL: Sent one medical team to Sri Lanka, one to Thailand.

      Military search and rescue team due in Sri Lanka, held up by coordination problems.

      ITALY: Will send 2 Hercules aircraft, one to Sri Lanka, one to Thailand.

      JAPAN: Pledged $US30 million ($38.6 million) in aid, sent three navy vessels to Thailand to help rescue survivors.

      KUWAIT: Pledged aid supplies worth $US2 million ($2.6 million), sent $US100,000 ($128,500) immediate aid.

      NETHERLANDS: Contributing 2 million euro ($3.5 million) to Red Cross-Red Crescent appeal, plus participating in EU aid program.

      NORWAY: Preliminary contribution of 50 million Norwegian crowns ($10.5 million) for emergency relief, including basic necessities, medicines, food, clean water and shelter.

      POLAND: Earmarked 1 million zlotys ($431,770) for Polish NGOs involved in relief.

      SAUDI ARABIA: Pledged $US10 million ($12.85 million) aid package - $US5 million ($6.4 million) of food, tents and medicine to be distributed via Saudi Red Crescent, $US5 million ($6.4 million) for international aid groups such as the Red Cross and UN High Commissioner for Refugees.

      SINGAPORE: Contributing some $US1.2 million ($1.5 million) to global effort, military medical teams and supplies ready to fly to Indonesia.

      SOUTH KOREA: Raises aid to $US2 million ($2.6 million), may send military cargo plane to move aid workers and supplies.

      SPAIN: Sent aircraft to Sri Lanka with first aid, sanitary equipment and 19 volunteers, promised 1 million euro ($1.75 million).

      SWEDEN: Sent 2 communications specialists to help UN relief efforts in Sri Lanka. Sending tents and communications equipment to the Maldives. Swedish Red Cross to contribute $US750,000 ($963,760) to IFRC appeal.

      TAIWAN: Pledged additional $US5 million ($6.43 million) to South and Southeast Asian countries, after giving $US100,000 ($128,500) to Indonesia, $US50,000 ($64,250) each to Thailand, India and Sri Lanka. Sends more than 100 relief workers.

      UNITED ARAB EMIRATES: Pledged $US2 million ($2.6 million) in aid and its Red Crescent society will donate 30 tonnes of food, blankets and clothing to earthquake victims to be transported over this week.

      UNITED STATES: Pledged initial $US35 million ($45 million). Pentagon ordered 12 vessels to region, though no decision taken on their role.

      INTERNATIONAL COMMITTEE OF THE RED CROSS: Cargo plane flying from Kenya to Sri Lanka carrying 105 tonnes of supplies, provide aid to 150,000 people in north and east. Trying to raise more than 50 million Swiss francs ($56.5 million).

      IMF: Intends to provide assistance, no specific pledges.

      UNHCR: Initially distributing $US380,000 ($488,310) of non-food relief items, including 23,500 plastic sheets for shelter, 24,500 plastic mats, clothing, towels and 20,000 kitchen sets.

      UNICEF: Delivered 50 water tanks to southern India, 45-tonne shipment of water purification tablets and water systems due to reach Sri Lanka on Thursday. WHO and UNICEF said they were providing four emergency kits to Indonesia to cover 40,000 people for three months, providing shelter, food and clothing.

      UN WORLD FOOD PROGRAM: Sends 168 tonnes of commodities to Sri Lanka, plus more than 4,000 tonnes of rice, wheatflour, lentils and sugar, enough to provide 500,000 people with emergency rations for two weeks.

      UN DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM: Provided $US100,000 ($128,500) each to Sri Lanka, India, Indonesia, the Maldives and Thailand to help assess damage and coordinate emergency needs.

      UN POPULATION FUND: Earmarked up to $US1 million ($1.3 million) and extra staff to help health needs of pregnant and nursing women.

      Give us back the America we trust and respect!!!

      by icerat on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 02:49:11 PM PST

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    •  Canada increases aid (none / 0)

      Canada's government heard their peoples cry for more relief aid and is now pledging 40 million dollar.  Please call your congressional member, the White House and State Dept. and pressure them to increase the aid.

      "There's nothing in the middle of the road but yellow stripes and dead armadillos." - Jim Hightower

      by Hanna for Change on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 05:38:24 PM PST

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    •  Aid in PPM Update (none / 0)

      Here is an update to the aid based on the latest figures I can find on the Internet. I've removed the GDP column (you can get these figures from Wikipedia) and added a column with the source of the aid pledges.

      CONSOLIDATED AID
                                                       Pledge
      Country            Pledge [US$]    Source        Quotient
      -----------------  --------------  ------------  --------
      Australia           27,000,000     news.com      46.58
      Cambodia                40,000     Al Jezeera     1.36
      Canada              33,000,000     Al Jezeera    34.25
      China                2,600,000     Sympatico      0.40
      EU                  45,000,000     news.com         --
        EU Countries      77,863,086     --               --
        Total EU         122,863,086     --             3.66
      India               23,000,000     Al Jezeera     7.42
      Japan               40,000,000     Al Jezeera    11.17
      Kuwait               2,100,000     Sympatico     55.27
      Norway               8,170,000     news.com      48.34
      Qatar               10,000,000     Al Jezeera    Unknown
      Saudi Arabia        10,000,000     news.com      35.57
      Singapore            1,200,000     Sympatico     11.53
      South Korea          2,000,000     news.com       2.33
      Taiwan               5,250,000     news.com      Unknown
      UAE                  2,000,000     Sympatico     Unknown
      US                  15,000,000     Sympatico      1.38

      INDIVIDUAL EU COUNTRIES
      Country            Pledge          Source
      -----------------  --------------  ------------
      Austria              1,360,000     news.com
      Britain             28,930,000     news.com
      Czech Republic         445,760     news.com
      Denmark             15,590,000     news.com
      Finland              3,410,000     news.com
      France              20,442,000     Al Jezeera
      Germany              2,720,000     news.com
      Greece                 204,345     news.com
      The Netherlands      2,720,000     news.com
      Poland                 335,821     news.com
      Slovakia               231,660     Al Jezeera
      Slovenia               113,500     Al Jezeera
      Spain                1,360,000     news.com
      -----------------
      Total               77,863,086     --


      The "Pledge Quotient" is the pledged dollars divided by the GDP (not shown).

      Note: All of the caveats from the original post apply, especially that these are still very rough figures and bound to change. I should add that I had to convert a number of these to US dollars. In doing that, I used Yahoo exchange rates for Euros and the implicit exchange rates on news.com for Canadian dollars. I used the most current figure that I could find where it was significantly different from the previous ones. (The order is Sympatico, news.com and Al Jezeera.)

      I put this up mainly because I think that we need to have good basic data from which to draw conclusions and back up our talking points. If we are going to press the U.S. government for more funds, for example, it helps to know where we stand relative to other countries. I think GDP is one of the fairer ways to do this, even if it's not ideal.

      Also, I still give the U.S. no credit for a line of credit. But even if you fed that in, it wouldn't give you a pledge quotient of 46.58, to name a specific value.

  •  lets see (none / 1)

    some angry men kill 3000 citizens and it like the end of the world, must declare war blah blah blah, your god kills 100,000 innocent people including 40,000 children and.......    lets still worship him/it and you wonder why we live is such a f--ed up world.  Humans are stupid creatures.
  •  Donate, don't grouse about Chimpy (none / 0)

    Or at least donate BEFORE Chimpy grousing.  

    http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/12/27/quake.aidsites/

  •  Compare the $15M (none / 0)

    ... to the pledge of IMMEDIATE help of EUR 100M the EU made. that plus some EU states declared national mourning and are offering virtually any other help the affected countries can use. from what i heared on radio, not only are teams from govts in the EU looking for their citizens but there are also many NGO and private efforts. a sizable part of these people would probably stay and somehow help to bring some order into the mess.

    dubya and his team must be braindamaged to scrounge up all of $15M for disaster help and at the same time send $40B to the war. BTW i read somewhere that one of the affected countries turned down israeli help.

    •  Co-ordination (none / 0)

      There was a report on BBC and the lessons learned from other disaster relief is that co-ordination is the BIGGEST problem and outside countries NOT listening (or trusting) the local government to do the right thing.

      They have the people what they need more is supplies, they have turned away Canada, UK so it is not a matter of disrespect that the wingnuts like to proclaim...they are trying to be pragmatic...way too many cooks in the stew.

      DLC Centrism assumes that if Democrats move to the right the Republicans are going to stand still.

      by Genf on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 01:40:48 PM PST

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  •  So What? (none / 1)

    I mean, why should bush care?  Most of the victims were poor, and as he has told us, the poor are responsible for their own misery.

    What a horrible, horrible human being he is.  To think, the president who was called a "scumbag" was the first to speak up in America, while the one who actually resembles that remark was slumbering in decadent ignorance.

    "Milton Friedman's misfortune is that his policies have been tried."

    by el fuego on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 11:55:20 AM PST

  •  Pittance... (none / 0)

    I agree. Not only should we give, not millions, but billions, we should establish a Marshall-Plan type project for rebuilding Southeast Asia. It helped us rebuild Europe. It could do the same for Southeast Asia. And at the same time reduce the number of Muslims that volunteer to become suicide bombers.
    •  But! (none / 0)

      Ashcroft ended crime and terrorism forever, remember?

      Of course it would be good for the U.S. to bring aid to Indonesia (the largest Muslim nation for those who don't know . . . I'm looking at you, Mr. Preznit) as a valid counter-terrorism strategy. But the administration is not at all interested in valid counter-terrorism strategies. This is about power, not security. And we need to drive that point home as often as possible.

      If this were about terrorism, you'd hear the words "Saudi Arabia" in the news a lot more.

      If it were about terrorism, OBL would be rotting in Gitmo by now

      If it were about terrorism, Madrid would have never happened.

      "Let us not seek the Republican answer or the Democratic answer, but the right answer." -John F. Kennedy

      by Vestal Vespa on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 01:05:34 PM PST

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  •  Bush is not only destroying the U.S. from w/in (3.50 / 2)

    He's making the country irrelevant on the world stage. He plays upon the fears and the worst isolationist tendencies of Americans and appears callous to human suffering.

    Just shameful.

  •  Why the hell would Bush care? (none / 0)

    Remember, he is the President. People have to explain their thoughts to him. He doesn't have to explain his ideas to others. Why does everyone here keep forgetting that? He just won/stole re-election based on his core Christian (Bush's version of Christianity) belief of the "Golden Shower." Piss on everyone else and they will love you forever. His supporters love it. Why can't you people just learn to love the abuse? He wouldn't hit you if he didn't love you. Besides, those people over near the Indian Ocean wouldn't have died if God didn't want them to. End Sarcasm

    What's scarey is, based on how they have responded to this, we had better hope they don't allow another terrorist attack over the next four years. The responses would be, "Well, Bush wanted to protect us, but the people wouldn't listen and see what happened? That's why we have to let the President do whatever he wants and get those obstructionist Democrats out of Washington." The truly, truly sad part isn't that that is how they behave. The really sad part is the SCLM allows them to get away with it.

    The sleep of reason produces monsters.

    by Alumbrados on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 12:03:36 PM PST

  •  not that we didn't know this (none / 1)

    but this is further evidence that BushCo just doesn't "get" terrorism. some have said it since 9/11, that we must understand the root causes of terrorism and work on those things - poverty, undemocratic regimes, etc - but we still don't get it. if we can't bomb it, Bush can't solve the problem.
    •  And what's worse . . . (none / 1)

      Anybody who challenges the practices of the administration who DOES actually "get" terrorism is run out of town on a rail.

      This will get a whole lot worse before it gets better.

      "Let us not seek the Republican answer or the Democratic answer, but the right answer." -John F. Kennedy

      by Vestal Vespa on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 12:58:54 PM PST

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  •  I'm surprised... (4.00 / 2)

    no one has mentioned the REAL reason why Bush doesn't give a shit about this tragedy...it's part of his whole apocalyptic end-time religious delusion...the Armageddon folks are all about floods and fires and earthquakes and whatever else can hasten the end of the world and the coming of the ridiculous "rapture." They just see this tsunami catastrophe as a wonderful harbinger of the final battle to come. There is nothing to worry about. It is all good! Of course these people are nuts, but they're running the country (into the ground, that is).
  •  I emailed this to a Republican friend (none / 1)

    I get riled up, because this small, mean little man represents America to the world.

    This tsunami is the WTC attack times 30.

    After 9/11, the world opened it's arms and gave America a big hug.  After the tsunami hit, Bush cleared brush.  There are his Christian values, right there.  As I said, what an asshole.

    He's got a heart of coal, but at least it's "clean-burning".

  •  It's times like these when statesmen make bold (none / 0)

    dramatic gestures. Take the horrible twin earthquakes in Greece and Turkey in 1999. Both countries aided the other more than any other country in the world. This from two enemies that almost went to war in 1996. The citizens of both countries thawed the ice between them in mutual exclamations of solidarity. The people were focused on what they had in common. That inital response to tragedy formed a bridge between the governments, a bridge which is still being developed even today.

    On the other hand, I'm not in favor of shows of solidarity with Muslims just for the sake of taking the Muslim side for once (in Kosovo, Cyprus, but not in Israel, etc.). There's altruism and then there's altruism with a price tag.

    There are two kinds of people in this world. The kind who divide the world into two kinds of people, and the kind who don't.

    by upstate NY on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 12:23:18 PM PST

  •  Meanwhile... (none / 0)

    our adventure in Iraq costs $177 million a day.
  •  Great Wave (none / 0)

    George W Bush is a true believer, a cult leader. He is on a Crusade. Crusaders don't see gray. He only sees black and white. They are black. They are his tribal enemy. George W Bush has no thoughts or views about those evil doers. His only concern is Haliburton and his friends. His buddies can't make millions off a Tsunami that wiped out a few thousand improvised fishing villages. Clearing brush in Crawford, TX is a higher priority.
    •  I dunno (none / 0)

      I personally believe his Christianity to be a pretty tacky PR move. He knows he can get the fundies on his side if he puts on the Christian face, but I don't think that he's a true believer in anything other than his own infallibility.

      But if you mean a Crusade in the more "drunk with power" than "drunk with righteousness" sense, I agree 110%.

      "Let us not seek the Republican answer or the Democratic answer, but the right answer." -John F. Kennedy

      by Vestal Vespa on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 12:57:33 PM PST

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  •  Long-term effects (none / 1)

    Bear with me for a moment, while I muse about something I've been thinking about for the last couple of days:

    It's clear that Bush has, as usual, been found wanting in any number of categories. We're agreed on that.

    This tsunami and its aftermath are a huge humanitarian disaster, also agreed.

    The far corners of my mind are sitting around and muttering things like, What will be the longer economic impact, as well as political and societal? The Bushies clearly have no concept of it, but the U.S. is completely, utterly, and irrevocably intertwined with the fortunes of the entire globe. Thus, the devastation there is going to start showing up in our economy, especially as so much (all) of our IT and manufacturing capabilities have been offshored.

    I'm guessing that there will soon be shortages in -- what? -- items that we never thought about before but that will no longer be available. And there may be many other shortages, changes, difficulties for us that we cannot foresee just now.

    So, this awful disaster may in a strange way be the force, or one of them, that begins the downfall of the shrub. I know that's not very specific, but specifics aren't there yet; I'm trying to think about sweeps and trends. Better historians than I have written about how seemingly impregnable regimes have been brought low by unexpected and uncontrollable events. We can but hope.

    If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.--A Boston cabbie, to Gloria Steinem, in the 1970s

    by Mnemosyne on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 12:51:36 PM PST

    •  Here's the thing... (none / 0)

      Bush is not really pro-business.  In the long run, his policies and his shortsightedness are going to hurt the businesses (even corporations) that think they have him in their pocket.  Already some of the companies that due business abroad are seeing business dropping off substantially, or a lack of cooperation from the governments of the countries where they are trying to do business.  

      The people who run these business aren't stupid.  At the moment, they lack the foresight of a Henry Ford (there's a scary thought) who realized his work force was also his customer base.  They, too, will eventually wake up.  We had some very unexpected endorsements for Kerry, don't forget.

      So I think you're right.  This is gonna hit our pocket books in ways we're not anticipating.  And I wouldn't be a bit surprised if conversations to that effect take place in some board rooms in the very near future.

      When you punch a lot of holes through steerage, the first-class cabins sink with the rest of the ship.

      by Roddy McCorley on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 01:16:22 PM PST

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  •  Faux news - touchy touchy! (none / 1)

    Anyone see last night's Faux Special Report?  Krauthammer absolutely shitting a brick at the 'thought' that the US was 'stingy.'  His point was that the US doesn't have to provide aid since the US provides so many other things that the international community gets a 'free ride' from.  And his reasoning for this was that the US spends so much on defense which itself provides 'security' for the rest of the world.  Seriously, no shit.  Um, I wonder how secure Iraqis feel right about now under our 'security' regime?  

    But, boy, do these jackoffs get defensive when someone questions the generosity of the US.  It's like they're little kids and their country is their parents: NO, don't say that, mommy and daddy can do NO WRONG!  They're all really just insecure crybabies, when you get past the fascist veneer.

    Can I get another Amen? (Amen!) There's a flag wrapped around a score of men (Hey!) A gag, a plastic bag on a monument

    by iowasteele on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 12:52:39 PM PST

  •  Can't you just hear W.... (none / 1)

    When they interrupted his bike ride to tell him up to 100,000 people were dead?

    "Who the fuck cares? Buncha wogs. Get outta my way."

  •  A coalition of the redundant (none / 0)

    Bush just announced that he has assembled a Coalition of "regional core group" nations to lead the relief efforts.

    Uh, isn't that what the United Nations is not only there for, but what they are actually good at?

    It seems as if the United States is a participating member of the UN during Democratic administrations and a reluctant, tardy-dues paying, hold-our-nose member during Republican administrations.

    We need to decide -- the Red, Blue and Bruised Purple Staters -- are we in, or are we ain't.

  •  I think what says it all... (none / 0)

    ...was his trip to Ireland.  A friendly country to the USA, and yet Bush and his gang of outlaws demanded a level of security and deference that has damaged relations there for years to come.

    Imagine what their reaction would be to even thinking about the possibility of Bush's physical presence to show his public support in a place like Aceh, or Jakarta, or Bangkok.

    As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals.

    by Palamedes on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 12:59:30 PM PST

    •  Britain Too! (none / 0)

      His trip to the UK back in 2003 was almost as bad. Public opinion of him couldn't go much lower, but he managed to piss the Queen off by filling her palace with annoying, incompetent security guards who proceeded to make life hell for her employees, and did incalculable damage to the palace grounds when his men cleared fire zones and a helicopter landing pad without permission, killing some incredibly ancient and historic trees and damaging some historic stonework in the process.

      I'll be literally amazed if we have any allies left by 2008.

  •  The War on Water (4.00 / 2)

    The Bush Administration announced earlier today that it is declaring War on Water. :-)
  •  I was just thinking about this last night (none / 0)

    as I watched the news from the disaster. I thought it would be a great opportunity for Bush to get these nations--many of which are predominantly Moslem--on our side. I figured the idea was so far out in left field that nobody would post anything about it. And here it is. Nice to know I'm not so crazy.
    And instead, Bush blew it. Of course.

    Fritzburgh An'at--Politics, Culture, and Whimsy from a Chipped Chopped Mind

    by Bob Quixote on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 01:49:10 PM PST

  •  Canada increases its relief money 10-fold... (none / 0)

    I'm pleased to hear Ottawa announce today that it is increasing its contribution to the Tsunami catrosophe from its initial 4 million $ to 40 million.

    I'd have liked that total from the start.. but no matter.. a welcome development.

    http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2004/12/29/dart-tsunami041229.html

  •  I remember during the 'press conferance' (none / 0)

    when Bush was trying to make a point about U.S. generousity he said:

    "First of all, we provide immediate cash relief, to the tune of about $35 billion".

    He emphasized the word "billion"... "thirty-five BILLION dollars" he said.

    Later they reprint it as though it was a slip of the tongue, but I think he really didn't even know the facts... why?  Because he surely wouldn't have put on his best Texas drawl to brag about "thirty-five MILLION dollars".

    The fact he doesn't even know the amount pledged so far is the best evidence that our president really doesn't care.

    "documented, schmocumented" -- overheard at the LARGEST protest in U.S. history

    by DoDi on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 01:59:29 PM PST

  •  Beyond Bush Please (none / 0)

    The point Kos makes is right but it is beyond party politics. It is an opportunity for us to show the world the good side of America. We need to put an effort into this that we as a country have not done since the belin airlift.

    We need to convince ourselves that we are who we profess to be as a people. This is not a conservative vs. liberal issues it is human on a scale that is hard to imagine.

    Extra stash or Holiday money ...

    http://www.doctorswithoutborders-usa.org/donate/index.cfm?msource=AZD0408H1001

    If bush will not lead then maybe we need to as people...

    By the way I have heard our government is going to send more money as of today. We have six ships that can produce 90,000 gallons of water a day each and a medical ship moving in.

  •  Humanitarian Aid Framing (4.00 / 2)

    I've always wondered why Democrats push words like "moral" and "compassion" when advocating foreign aid instead of insisting it is a defense issue and that Republicans who oppose it are "weak on defense."

    -Hope never cost Corporate America a dime

    by DWCG on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 02:13:00 PM PST

  •  "Their" President and "Them" (3.66 / 3)

    Athena said it right:

    No, We Are Not Our President

    I live in North Texas and for eight years I had to listen to all the suburban fundie claptrap against Bill Clinton. I had to see all the "He's Not My President" and "Impeach President Clinton-And Her Husband, Too" bumperstickers on the same vehicles (big trucks and SUVs in suburban and urban settings) that now have "W'04" and "Support the Troops" ribbons on them.

    Well, as I've been saying since 2000, you ignorant folks with those stickers can have YOUR President, because George W. Bush certainly isn't mine. He sure as hell wasn't my President in his first Supreme Court-annointed term and he's even further from being my President now. The fundies, the selfish Wall Streeters and the imagery suckers are all in this with their President.

    Everything they do (or they do not do) is theirs; they own it. Giving less to the crucial initial allotment of aid than will be spent on Bush's coronation is theirs. It's their bigotry, it's their selfishness, it's theirs. All theirs. And they better pray to the Holy Trinity at night that we never get hit again like 9/11, because if they think the rest of the world hates us now, wait until no one comes running to the front door to help us if such a sad day should come again.

    As to why it took Bush three days to get his thumb out of his butt and say something, just think about this: Seychelles, Tanzania, Kenya, Somalia, Sri Lanka, India, Bangladesh, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia: It took his handlers three days to teach him how to pronounce all these places and to teach him where they are! The poor, poor President had a lot to learn on his vacation...that's just not fair to a guy, is it?

    •  Dang! Why Can't They Call It Ceylon? (none / 0)

      As to why it took Bush three days to get his thumb out of his butt and say something, just think about this: Seychelles, Tanzania, Kenya, Somalia, Sri Lanka, India, Bangladesh, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia: It took his handlers three days to teach him how to pronounce all these places and to teach him where they are! The poor, poor President had a lot to learn on his vacation...that's just not fair to a guy, is it?

      Don't worry. Bush probably had loads of fun doing imitations of Sri Lankans being swept away by flood waters. So it wasn't all hard work.

  •  Aid for victims (none / 0)

    If Kerry had been elected, he would have pledged $1.0 billion at least and would be on a plane to Asia.
  •  Reagan and Bush (none / 1)

    My aunt has always said that Reagan made the US feel comfortable with their prejudices, but Bush takes its even further-He (and his mouthpiece Faux) EMBRACE and perpetrate bigotry and prejudice with every action (or inaction).  

    It would have done a great deal of good for Bush to implore his minions to donate because we're all human beings, and we're a good country. Instead, he reinforces their ideas that those who are not "us" are inferior.

    There's no point for democracy when ignorance is celebrated...insensitivity is standard and faith is being fancied over reason.-NoFx

    by SairaLV on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 02:45:58 PM PST

  •  Americans will die (none / 1)

    Just a reminder that this is more than just an annoyance; the policies of this administration will, ultimately, result in our deaths here at home. Many Americans will die because of what Bush does and has done. Keep that in mind as we talk about this.

    Bush kills.

    Drive-by commenting is such fun!

    by galiel on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 03:09:25 PM PST

  •  Donate via Amazon (none / 0)

    Don't think this was up yesterday, but today you can donate to the American Red Cross on Amazon.  As of about 6:15pm, there was nearly 3 million donated.  Probably take a week before donations there exceed what the U.S. government is willing to spare.  I donated through Oxfam America.

    We already have "death panels". They are called health insurance companies.

    by ohiolibrarian on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 03:11:50 PM PST

  •  asdf (none / 0)

    The CNN instapoll seems to show that there won't be any political capital repercussions for Bush's stinginess, both in money and spiritually, in this country at least -- if these numbers hold, he's just reflecting what his subjects seem to be feeling:

    Have you donated money for the tsunami relief efforts?  

    Yes      15%  17731 votes  

    No      85%  99088 votes  
    Total: 116819 votes  

    sigh. (or are we all still just in too much shock?)

  •  And when Clinton showed Bush (none / 1)

    how it should be done, the White House complained that he was rushing to get in front of the cameras. Hardly a "rush" when the world waited for 2 days for Bush to say something, anything, in person.

    Thing is, I really think that Bush personally is not prejudiced against Muslims or non-Whites. But that's on a personal level. Politically, everything he does is geared toward maintaining his personal power and the wealth of his friends. And the world knows this. His initial allotments of aid are actually not out of line with standard practice, which is to dole out money and supplies as they are needed, not just to rush into it. But because Bush has a reputation as a tightwad with everything except lowering taxes, he has only himself to blame when the world starts calling him cheap.

    As opposed to Americans in general. One point that should be made more often is that Americans individuals and groups, as opposed to the gov't, do give generously in times of need. The world should remember to compare that, rather than Bush, to its 9/11 response.

    It is not the responsibility of the state to help its citizens get into heaven nor to save them from hell.

    by Dan K on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 03:28:29 PM PST

    •  Oh, yeah, one other thing: (none / 0)

      Bush should not go there right now. Maybe he could go back to DC, though there's not much he can do there that he can't do in Texas. It's more important that he be seen be DOING something about the tragedy, not clearing brush.

      But a presidential visit is incredibly disruptive and taxing on the local security forces in the best of times. The locals have their hands overflowing already with finding the dead and cleaning up; they shouldn't be pulled off that to guard Bush's photo-op.

      It is not the responsibility of the state to help its citizens get into heaven nor to save them from hell.

      by Dan K on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 03:32:24 PM PST

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  •  SCLM continues to prop up Dubya (none / 0)

    NBC Nightly News this evening features a report by Andrea Mitchell that talks up Dubya increasing the U.S. support to $35 million.

    The report mentions the controversy surrounding the 3 day delay for Dubya to say anything at all, but ends up being a puff piece typical of this "reporter" and her employer.  Controversy is brushed aside, and Dubya comes off with credit for giving and being generous, as well as an organizer for getting the international community working together.

    I'm going to have to take a shower now to try to scrub off the stench.

    He has oil. He tried to kill my daddy.

    by kensa on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 03:33:49 PM PST

  •  Still winter in the Northern Hemisphere (none / 0)

    In simple words: it's still flu season.

    Are people with

    (a) inadequate rest, housing, water and nutrition in

    (b) a condition of extreme distress and

    (c) in proximity to other distressed and displaced persons more or less likely to become ill?

    Rightly so, health officials are concerned about cholera and other waterborne diseases.

    I'd keep my eyes on airborne contagion, as well. That risk hasn't gone away, just because the media coverage has.

  •  Neo-Cons Disgust Me (none / 1)

    I brought up the aid issue with a few neo-cons I know today. Their main complaint was about the people who weren't happy with the USA's generous $20 billion loan to these debt-stricken countries - they thought the people should be grateful that they had been given any money at all. Their second complaint - and the louder of the to, and the one that has dominated their thinking about this disaster was that their taxes would be going up to pay for this humanitarian foolishness. When I asked them what they thought we should do about the biggest natural disaster in recent history, their response was that Saudi Arabia should handle it, because they have "the same religion".

    I just gave up at that point, because I couldn't tell if they were advocating making the situation worse or if they were simply so stupid that they didn't realize what increasing Saudi Arabia's foreign influence would do.

    •  Don't even give them legitimacy by using 'neo-con' (none / 0)

      Call them out on what they are; misanthropic, reactionary bigots.

      'neo-cons' love that their hate is gaining legitimacy through institutionalization; like 'kill all the a-rabs' counts as a legitimate political view.

      there will always be some notion of left vs right in manstream politics, but at some point the right will have to shed the extremists from their ranks

      Fixing Republican screw-ups: it's what Democrats have been doing for 100 years

      by SonofFunk on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 04:33:06 PM PST

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  •  A true Christian (none / 0)

    would have gone over there personally. Bush should have been the first to speak, not one of the last, taking his "precious time". I would loved to see him slap 2 billion op the table and said "ante up ya'll!" Then he could be a cowboy too.
  •  Let's Have an Anti-Inaugural (none / 0)

    To protest the callous inaugural and stingy donations to the tsunami victims, let's fight back by:

    1.  Ask the President to cancel the festivities and donate the booty to the tsunami victims. Email is www.president@whitehouse.gov.  Mail is The White House, 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., N.W., Washington, D.C. 20500.

    2.  Email or write to the major donors (listed at www.inaugural05.com) and ask them to make an in-kind charitable donation to offset the self-interest of buying influence.  I'm putting together a list and anyone interested can get it from me by emailing me at maebe@pacbell.net.

    3.  On January 20th, do something for someone else, donate money or your time to a worthy cause (you can investigate and donate online for a 3% admin fee and www.justgive.org) or do something kind for someone else.  

    Let's not be silent about the callousness and the influence peddling.

    And, I'm sorry, I don't know how to post links.

  •  Says it all (none / 0)

    CNN Headline:

    Help for Tsunami Victims

    FoxGnus Headline:

    New Iraq Offensive

  •  More Republithink (none / 0)

    Thousands of foreigners, many of them Muslims, are dead.

    How can we take credit for it, and win with our base?

  •  Editorial at Star-Tribune (none / 0)

  •  The conspiracy theorist in me says (none / 0)

    we don't want to win the hearts and minds of Muslims, and we don't want to find Osama, because threats on us are necessary to fuel public support for the neocon's agenda of never-ending war.

    Clearin' brush and bike riding are right up there with continuing to read My Pet Goat in our hour of need.  I'm afraid this time at least indifference is precisely the reaction Bush wants to show.

    Please tell me I'm wrong.  I just have absolutely no confidence in this administration anymore. Gen. Boykin shows their true colors.

  •  let the poor of the world keep what they make (none / 0)

    The idea of bumming even more money from Asian central banks and then donating it to Asians is ridiculous.

    Our clothes are sewn in Bangladesh, our doctors come from India, and our oil from Muslim countries like Indonesia.

    What do we have to give to these people? IOUs?

    The only real things still produced in the United States are housing and food. This is done with migrant labor from places like Mexico.

    A teenager with a credit card is not rich.

    A country with a $7 trillion debt is not rich, it is poor.

    Let Bangladesh keep its clothes and Indonesia her timber. They'll need it.

    It is time for the US to act responsibly by making sure the hard working poor of the rest of the world get to keep what their hard work makes possible.

    This is about $450 billion a year.

     

  •  After... (none / 0)

    the 911-attacks, our prime minister declared a national mourning day and a silent minute in Sweden to honour those who died in New York. Now that 100 000 people have been killed in Asia (among them probably hundreds of Swedes) Bush doesn't feel it is important enough even to comment. Instead he stays on vacation on his ranch, clearing brush and gives a pathetic 15 million dollars in support for all victims to share. 15 million dollars is about 0.5% of the 3 billion dollars that the US donated to Israel this year.

    Of course we take this complete lack of compassion and action from the US government as an outrageous insult and of course this will affect the way the rest of the world will react the day that the US is hit by a new terrorist attack.
     

  •  "If Bush Were A Statesman...." (none / 0)

    When pigs fly--literally.
  •  Bush reaction (none / 0)

    Thinking about this makes perfect sense in Bushworld. The cheaper and careless we are will make the Muslim world even more distant from us even though the public has been sold on our generosity. Every dollar this administration has pledged like the 15 billion for AIDS has been just that a pledge or PR certainly the money has not been forth coming. So next year when its time to invade another Muslim country the public has been pre programmed to believe they are godless terrorist. See how easy it all is when you base your ideas on clever sloganeering.
  •  "It's hard work" (none / 0)

    and costly too -- trying to liberate people to death!   Geez, I am so misunderestimated in my compassion.  

    Happy holidays.  Now, watch this drive...

    Love, Dubya.

  •  Doing Well by Doing Good (none / 0)

    In the wake of the devastating tsunami that killed thousands and threatens hundreds of thousands more across Asia, much of the coverage and debate in the United States has centered around whether or not the initial U.S. $35 million aid package is, in the words of U.N emergency coordinator Jan Egeland, "stingy."  Lost in the petty bickering and wounded American pride is a unique opportunity for the United States to change its badly weakened global image by leading and funding a massive relief package. Ushering in a new era of altruistic and on-going  foreign aid to rival the post-war Marshall Plan, the U.S. can start winning back the hearts and minds worldwide lost over the past four years.

    Unfortunately, and as usual, the Bush administration has been reflexively defensive and disingenous in its response to Egeland's "stingy" comment.  Rather than merely treat the U.N. official's comments as unfortunately worded call to action for the international community, the Bush team launched a full PR counter-offensive to show the generosity of the United States.

    Starting Monday, USAID head Andrew Natsios defended his agency and the U.S., citing America's disproportionate 40% contribution of all 2004 humanitarian relief.  He repeated the claim that the United States is the world's largest provider of foreign aid. Natsios also boasted that foreign assistance for development and emergency relief rose from $10 billion in President Clinton's last year to $24 billion under President Bush in 2003. By Tuesday, Secretary of State Colin Powell said that over time, American aid to the tsunami-devastated Asian nations would over time approach $1 billion. And on Wednesday, President Bush, no doubt stung by the "stingy" comment, announced the U.S. would lead a "coalition of the billing" with Japan, Australia and India to coordinate relief aid.

    As USAID's own data shows, however, these numbers are both deceptive and largely besides the point...

    For the full story, see:

    "Doing Well by Doing Good: The American Opportunity in Global Tragedy."

    •  I wondered where the $24 billion came from. (none / 0)

      It is typical Bushite smoke and mirrors. The yardstick is normally taken as the percentage of GDP given as development aid. Against the UN target of 0.7%, the USA "donated" $14.4 billion in 2003 or 0.14%. The was the lowest percentage of GDP of any of the 22 OECD nations, even if it is the highest in cash terms. I understand $5 billion was allocated as military credits so the grateful recipients could but guns, tanks and aircraft from the ailing US industrial base.

      "That's an entirely valid point" - MBNYC

      by londonbear on Thu Dec 30, 2004 at 07:33:08 PM PST

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  •  Not stingy, just a meanhearted liar. (none / 0)

    First of all, the figures in all the tables are incorrect. France has increased its contribution to 42 million euro ($57 million) and the UK to £50 million ($96 million). Individual multi-nationals have given large sums and I believe Pfizer has agreed to give $35 million. Here in the UK emergency aid is co-ordinated by 12 big charities as the "Disasters Emergency Committee" each takes on specific roles such as Oxfam specialising in clean water provision to avoid the duplication of effort and specialism. They launched a public appeal on Tuesday and as at 15.00 GMT they had received £25 million ($48 million) by phone and internet. Their site is taking $1 million an hour and no account has been made of money paid into banks and post offices. The phone and site are almost impossible to contact so people are paying into other charities (I made mine to Unicef which is not part of the committee). I mention this to put the amount in context that the people of a country with a fifth the population have rushed to give double what Bush has pledged from government funds. It is less  than he wants to pay for his re-coronation, a tenth of the amount it cost to bury Reagan and maybe a twentieth the amount he spend on his election campaign.

    Of course much play is made of the use of the US's floating forces (the army is too busy in Iraq to help). They have been moved from target practice, sunning themselves or torturning a few Iraqis on Diego Garcia or exploring the whorehouses of Bangkok. The actual cost of doing this is confined to extra fuel and wear and tear on the equipment yet the (albeit welcome) effort is puffed out of all proportion.

    We have also seen another Bush lie. He claimed that his "coalition" included India when it now transpires that their Prime Minister said thanks but no thanks to maintain their non-aligned stance. Now where did we first see a country declared a member of a Bush "coalition" when it turned out they were less than willing? India by the way has sent some of its navy's ships to Sri Lanka to help out there.

    "That's an entirely valid point" - MBNYC

    by londonbear on Thu Dec 30, 2004 at 07:16:30 PM PST

  •  More to this "Coalition" ? (none / 0)

    This has been running around in my mind since Bush announced his coalition with Australia, Japan, and India to coordinate aid efforts in south-east asia..

    Just before this tragedy happened, I remember reading Russia and China had announced their plans to conduct joint large scale military exercises together. Of course, with the recent events and the media being the way it is - not too much was made of this in the press.

    Then Dec 26 happened and Bush announces this "coalition". It seems to me that, given the location of these countries and the size of their militaries (or non-military military in Japan's case), Bush is using this tragedy more to send a message to Russia and China. If this is the case, you can rest assured that will start doling out the cash and forgiving debts, and I wouldn't be surprised to see a good increase in US and "coalition" military presence in these countries in the guise of aid.

    Has anyone else picked up on that, or am I reading too many of these blogs and becoming a conspiracy theorist by osmosis?

    •  Bush motives (none / 0)

      No you are not wrong in suspecting dubious motives from Bush about this. The similarity with the "coalition of the willing" is un-nerving, even down to one of the members he named, India, not taking part.

      More on the context of the paltry sum Bush has pledged from the US government. As I am sure with many around the world, the British public have come out and have been phoning a 12 charitiy "Disasters Emergency Committee" and paying on their web site. So far £45 million ($95 million) has been collected via these two methods but payments are also going into banks and post offices. Other charities like UNICEF are taking contributions. The public in one country with a sixth of the wealth of the USA has volunteered three times the money Bush has pledged from the most powerful nation in the world.

      The following are the latest government pledges. Much is being made by Bushites of the in-kind help from the navy. Other countries have also sent their navies. In additon, the UK government has agreed to pay the transport costs of any materials purchased from the DEC appeal.

      World Bank: $250m
      UK: $96m
      Sweden: $75m
      Spain: $68m
      China: $60m
      France: $56m
      EU $44m
      Netherlands: $36m
      US: $35m
      Canada: $33m
      Japan: $30m
      Australia: $27m
      Switzerland: $23m
      Norway: $16.6m
      Denmark: $15.6m
      Saudi Arabia: $10m
      Taiwan: $5.1m
      Finland: $3.4m
      Kuwait: $2.1m
      UAE: $2m
      Source: Reuters, United Nations

      Not all of these are OECD countries but I have used their 2003 figures of development aid to calculate the proportion of GDP the donation represents. I have then used the $35 million or 0.00031% of GDP as the base unit for my index. The table of government generosity by GDP is:

      Sweden    0.02500%    80.6
      Spain    0.00837%    27.0
      Netherlands    0.00718%    23.2
      Switzerland    0.00674%    21.7
      Australia    0.00546%    17.6
      UK    0.00535%    17.2
      Canada    0.00388%    12.5
      France    0.00313%    10.1
      Finland    0.00204%    6.6
      Germany    0.00113%    3.6
      Japan    0.00067%    2.2
      USA    0.00031%    1.0

      "That's an entirely valid point" - MBNYC

      by londonbear on Fri Dec 31, 2004 at 08:26:44 AM PST

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