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How to obliterate the United States Constitution in a single stroke.

Tue Mar 16, 2004 at 09:02:51 PM PDT

I found the following in a friend's LiveJournal.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:HR03920:@@@L&summ2=m&

The consequences of allowing Congress to overturn, by vote, a decision of the Supreme Court?  The Constitution of the United States would mean exactly what the legislative branch wants it to mean, and the Supreme Court becomes absolutely powerless to change it.  The ironic part?  If the law were unconstitutional, who would strike it down?

Representative Lewis of Kentucky on introducing the bill:

The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a previous order of the House, the gentleman from Kentucky (Mr. Lewis) is recognized for 5 minutes.

Mr. LEWIS of Kentucky. Madam Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to speak about judicial activism, a grave and growing problem in our current national discourse that is threatening our democratic principles, eroding the consent of the governed, and radically altering the social fabric of our American society.

It should be of little surprise that the impetus of this debate, and the modest solutions I intend to set forth, stem from the November ruling by the Massachusetts Supreme Court to allow same-sex marriages and the subsequent rulings on the constitutionality of the Defense of Marriage Act that have followed.

I am a strong supporter of numerous legislative measures currently being considered by this Congress, aiming to define marriage as an exclusive union between one man and one woman. However, I believe a more comprehensive solution is necessary to address the broader, troubling trend toward judicial activism, a development with definitive implications beyond just the issue of marriage.

America's judicial branch has become increasingly overreaching and disconnected from the values of everyday Americans, many of whom I represent in the Second District of Kentucky. The recent actions taken by courts in Massachusetts and elsewhere are demonstrative of a single branch of government taking upon itself the singular ability to legislate. I believe these actions usurp the will of the governed, circumvent representative government by allowing tribunals of a select few, not elected or otherwise politically responsible, to conclusively rule on issues that are radically reshaping the societal traditions of our great Nation.

Clearly, this issue is one about power, not in the raw political sense but in terms of the allocation of government authority between each branch of government, specifically between Congress and the Judiciary, in a federal system that relies on checks and balances to protect our liberty. This is a debate that has been taking place since our founding.

At no point is the tension between Congress and the courts greater than in the realm of constitutional interpretation. The Constitution does not expressly provide for judicial review. Instead, the right of judicial review is a practice with origins from the bench
itself, established in 1803 when Chief Justice John Marshall ruled, ``It is emphatically the province and duty of the Judicial Branch to say what the law is.''

The Marbury v. Madison case decision provides an extraordinary recognition of judicial power in a constitutional form of government. The exercise of such broad authority, expanded over time through political tradition, clearly has a growing adverse effect on the relationship between coequal arms of our national government. As judicial power expands, congressional power contracts. This is especially true when the power to interpret the Constitution rests in the hands of activist judges anxious to find the latest ``right'' hiding between the lines of our founding document.

Our Founding Fathers created three separate branches of government, each with equal checks and balances on the other. Our founders also ensured that each branch, including Congress, play a role in constitutional interpretation, requiring officials in each branch to take an oath to support and defend the Constitution.

The framers did not give authority to one branch over the other. Certainly each branch has its separate functions, but debating, defending, and upholding the tenets of the Constitution involve the decision and duties of each branch. As a Congress, we must change our thinking and reaffirm our authority to interpret constitutional issues in concert with, and independent from, the courts.

The framers of the Constitution were advocates of serious debate who believed that the deliberation of the political process should always be open to the people. If the courts continue their dramatic move toward self-proclaimed interpretive power, I believe Congress, as the people's branch of representative government, should take steps to ensure equal balance and authority to check the final results.

I am introducing legislation today to address these serious, pressing issues in a direct and forceful manner. The bill that I have authored, if enacted, will allow Congress, by a two-thirds majority of each House, to reverse a judgment of the Supreme Court. This additional check may only be enforced on rulings concerning the constitutionality of an act of Congress following the enactment of this bill.

In his first Inaugural Address, Abraham Lincoln warned, ``The candid citizen must confess that if the policy of the government upon vital questions affecting the whole people is to irrevocably fixed by decisions of the Supreme Court, the instant they are made, the people will have ceased to be their own rulers, having practically resigned their government into the hands of that eminent tribunal.''

It is my hope that the people and the courts will see my position and recognize the serious problems arising from this growing imbalance of constitutional authority. I urge my colleagues from both sides of the aisle to redress judicial activism, protect the equal dignity of this governing body, and preserve the majority will of the governed by supporting this legislation.

In the name of protecting the sanctity of marriage as defined by one particular religion, it is apparently necessary to obliterate the Constitution of the United States?

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  •  Except... (none / 0)

    The Constitution gives the Supreme Court of the United States plenipotentary jurisdiction.

    Art. III, Sec. 2
    The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States...

    No Supreme Court, not even this one, would stand for its power being taken away by an activist Congress - if solely for selfish reasons, it would render the court virtually irrelevant if allowed to stand as Constitutional.

    It's just a piece of red meat for the GOP base to chew on for a bit to keep them from realizing how little of their agenda is actually passing.

  •  Judicial Review (none / 0)

    Judicial review is not in the Constitution anywhere.  Congress actually has broad power over the Court, such as setting the number of justices and determining the Court's jurisdiction.  So, regardless of the marriage issue, taking away judicial review would not 'obliterate' the Constitution.  It's actually debatable whether or not the Court was ever intended to be able to invalidate laws at all.
    •  That is a stretch. (none / 0)

      When you have a constitution that tells the federal government what it can and cannot do, a major change from the British system that preceded it, it is hard to imagine that the Supreme Court wouldn't play a referee role in that process.  It is specifically given jurisdiction over constitutional disputes which sounds like judicial review to me. And 1803 was not far removed at all from the enactment of the Constitution in 1789 (and bill of rights in 1791 which was expressly designed to limit the powers of Congress), so it is hard to think that judges appointed from and seeped in the political culture of the founding would be so off base about that issue.

      Taking away judicial review would obliterate the constitution and leave Congress without limits in an system where it was intended to have limits.  Of course, what is proposed is short of that.  Requiring a two-thirds majority in each house to overturn a judicial decision isn't that different from a constitutional amendment.  But, why not have the states ratify something as big as overturning a constitutional ruling.  After all, one of the Supreme Court's jobs is to protect states rights vis Congress.  And, most proposals with two-thirds support in both Houses (although not all) pass fairly swiftly.

      "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities" -- Voltaire

      by ohwilleke on Tue Mar 16, 2004 at 09:40:28 PM PDT

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  •  What a stupid bill. (none / 0)

    So when the Supreme Court strikes down that bill, what happens? Will Congress reverse that decision?

    (I'll save my rant about the conservative foisting of the "judicial activism" meme on the public in another post somewhere.)

    "Loyalty to the country always. Loyalty to the government when it deserves it." - Mark Twain

    by soultaco on Tue Mar 16, 2004 at 09:13:41 PM PDT

  •  Marbury v. Madison established judicial review ! (none / 1)

    These idiots obviously have no knowledge of the history of the country, the judiciary, their own branch, or common sense.

    The quicker this nonsense is scotched, the better !

    Let's get some Democracy for America

    by murphy on Tue Mar 16, 2004 at 09:24:35 PM PDT

  •  Anti-evolution (none / 0)

    Not in the biological sense only.
    These clowns are against all forms of progress.  They want to be forever frozen in time.
    The Founders intended for evolution.  Even if they couldn't foresee Marbury vs Madison ... THEY WERE STILL AROUND!!!!!!!!!
    Nobody said, "Um, that's not what we had in mind."
    They just went with the flow.
  •  Troubling (none / 0)

    Madam Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to speak about judicial activism, a grave and growing problem in our current national discourse that is threatening our democratic principles, eroding the consent of the governed, and radically altering the social fabric of our American society.

    Does anyone else find it more than a little disturbing that bits of this argument are worded quite similarly to arguments in favor of invading Iraq? Are judges the next group of terrorists?

    Damn it all, when Bush loses in November, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he declared the voting process "UnAmerican" and decided to start prosecuting Democrats.

    Power attracts pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it is magnetic to the corruptible. - Frank Herbert

    by Severian on Tue Mar 16, 2004 at 09:59:30 PM PDT

  •  Actually... (none / 0)

    President Jefferson was quite livid at Marshall about Marbury v. Madison.  The only reason he didn't fight the decision is because Marshall crafted it such that he could establish judicial review but still rule the way Jefferson wanted him to rule (saying the Supreme Court could not issue Marbury a writ of mandamus for Secretary of State Madison to deliver his judicial appointment).Jefferson thought the Court had overstepped its bounds.  Presidents against judicial review: Jefferson, Jackson, Lincoln and FDR.

    Moreover, while it was established in Marbury, it wasn't used again for about 50 years until Dred Scot v. Sandford, which was obviously a horrible decision.

    Most people just like judicial review when the Court strikes down something they don't like, but dislike it when it strikes down something they do like.  No scholar says judicial review is in, or even implied by the Constitution.  It being used only twice in the first 75 years of the Court's existence is pretty good evidence of this.

    •  Nonsense (none / 0)

      It is the only logical reading of the Constitution, how else can you explain the Supreme Court's original jurisdiction?

      Moreover, while it is true that the Supreme Court did not again review the constitutionality of a federal law for some time, the principle was used in review of state law many times between those two instances.

      BTW, Lincoln did not challenge the Supreme Court's jurisdiction of Constitutional interpretation, he ignored Taney's ruling as an appellate judge, the grant of a writ of habeas corpus.  He invoked the power he believed the Constitution granted him in time of "insurrection."  Eventually, the person was released, mooting the case.

      Everybody dies alone.

      by Armando on Tue Mar 16, 2004 at 10:45:51 PM PDT

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  •  it would be funny... (none / 0)

    if it weren't so tragic.

    take this together with the bill (HR 3799) which was recently introduced to remove from SCOTUS' jurisdiction:

    ...any matter to the extent that relief is sought against an element of Federal, State, or local government, or against an officer of Federal, State, or local government (whether or not acting in official personal capacity), by reason of that element's or officer's acknowledgement of God as the sovereign source of law, liberty, or government.

    and it's pretty clear that that bill provides cover for a bill like this one.  two bills pass, and suddenly presto!  no more coequal judicial branch.

    it's weird, really.  the House GOP in particular seems to have gone completely and entirely off the rails. and if you read the link that I chose for the Orwellian "Constitution Restoration Act of 2004" you'll see that the wingnuts know how important it is.

  •  Bummer (none / 0)

    "I am introducing legislation today to address these serious, pressing issues in a direct and forceful manner. The bill that I have authored, if enacted, will allow Congress, by a two-thirds majority of each House, to reverse a judgment of the Supreme Court. This additional check may only be enforced on rulings concerning the constitutionality of an act of Congress following the enactment of this bill."

    Bummer, so we can't overturn the Florida 2000 election results if this passes...

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