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Sunday Talk Show Lineup (Terrorism Edition) - Open Thread

by DemFromCT

Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 05:00:31 AM PDT

Is anyone going to mention that the Dow dropped 324 points this week, oil prices are rising and that the corner we turned took us deeper into the maze...?

Guests to be interviewed today on major television talk shows:

FOX NEWS SUNDAY: Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.); presidential counterterrorism adviser Frances Fragos Townsend and Decision Economics Inc. president Allen Sinai.

MEET THE PRESS (NBC): National security adviser Condoleezza Rice, House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) and New York Times columnists Maureen Dowd and William Safire.

FACE THE NATION (CBS): Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D-Del.) and Townsend.

THIS WEEK (ABC): Former New York mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani; former White House counterterrorism director Richard A. Clarke; retired Gen. Tommy R. Franks, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and retired Gen. Merrill A. "Tony" McPeak, former Air Force chief of staff.

LATE EDITION (CNN), noon: Sens. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) and George Allen (R-Va.), New Jersey Gov. James E. McGreevey (D), New York City Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly and D.C. Chief of Police Charles H. Ramsey, former NATO supreme commander Wesley K. Clark, former Middle East ambassador Dennis Ross, Rice and Giuliani.

Update [2004-8-8 10:8:55 by DemFromCT]: Al Rodgers sez: Gov. Dean and Jon Stewart (along with Margaret Cho) will be doing "Topic A with Tina Brown" today on CNBC (8 p.m.).

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  •  Sunday talk show (none / 0)

    lineups are getting better (about time), better balance and fewer guests that need to be given a saliva test before you can believe them.
    Thanks Sunday shows, although I realize you are doing this not because you want to, but because you are being forced to by public opinion, isn't America great when it really works.
    PEACE!
    ABB&B!!!
    KERRY/EDWARDS 2004  

    by PC on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 09:12:01 AM PDT

  •  With prices like these (none / 0)

    Even Republicans had better hope that the Dems win in November.  After all, what is it that Clinton says?  "In order to live like a Republican, you had better vote like a Democrat."

    Peters for Congress (MI-09)

    by GOTV on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 09:13:50 AM PDT

  •  Condi who? (none / 1)

    Haven't heard her in a while.  Wonder what she will say?

    "Sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality, usually on a battlefield." Orwell

    by roo roo on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 09:15:57 AM PDT

  •  MoDo (none / 0)

    I sure hope MoDo got a good night's sleep.

    Privatize the Profits, Socialize the Losses. It's the republican way.

    by vicki on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 09:16:01 AM PDT

  •  Who is Allen Sinai, anyone know? (none / 0)

    n/t

    Strateg(er)y for Du(DEM)mies

    by daunte on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 09:16:08 AM PDT

  •  Oh, my goodness (3.66 / 3)

    MEET THE PRESS (NBC): National security adviser Condoleezza Rice, House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) and New York Times columnists Maureen Dowd and William Safire.

    Perhaps Timmy can ask Condi if she knows where Rummy has been. After months on end of all Donald all the time, one little prison scandal, and the dude vanishes from the face of the earth.  

    Have we been able to find Donald Rumsfeld?  No.

    Does that mean that he's gone forever?  No.

    Has he become a liabilty?  Well, you make up your mind.

    Peters for Congress (MI-09)

    by GOTV on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 09:20:30 AM PDT

    •  Russert (4.00 / 4)

      He should ask her what the hell her job is now that they are hiring a National Intelligence Director.

      He should also ask about the exposure of our al Qaeda double agent. That can't be a positive development for our national security.

      Speaking of the outing of spies, I wonder if Timmay will mention his testimony in the Plame case yesterday. It was buried in the NBC Nightly News last night (transcript here)

      by dirtgirl on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 09:40:30 AM PDT

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      •  and the followup question: (none / 1)


        He should ask her what the hell her job is now that they are hiring a National Intelligence Director.

        He should ask her what role she thinks her failure as NSA played in the 9/11 Commission call for a new NDI.  Kind of hard to portray her work as successful while at the same time acknowledging the fact of 9/11 itself and the massive intelligence overhaul that's needed.  

        When is Tenet going to come to his own defense in all this?  Or is part of the deal of being the fall guy that he keeps his mouth shut tell after the election?  What did they offer him to take the hit?

        -7.75,-7.54; The GOP stands for three things: thuggery, buggery, and skullduggery. America, watch your backs, and hide your wallets and your sons!

        by erik in grayslake on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 11:26:27 AM PDT

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      •  When she was spewing (4.00 / 3)

        her "Saddam was a threat" b/s, I was waiting for him to quote her and Powelll from Feb 2001 when they said that Saddam was contained and NOT a threat and to ask her if she was right then or if she is right now.  I waited, and waited, and waited.  Still waiting.

        "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag carrying the Cross" Sinclair Lewis -7.25, -7.23

        by Baseballgirl on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 11:36:22 AM PDT

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    •  Liability? Our Rummy? (none / 0)

      I read this week that he won't be attending the GOP convention in NYC; first convention he's missed in years and years.  I confess that on reading that, the L-word did come to my mind too.

      "When fanatics are on top there is no limit to oppression" -- H.L. Mencken

      by cinnamondog on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 11:08:59 AM PDT

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  •  Counterterrorism czar (none / 1)

    Anybody notice what has happened to the position of counterterrorism czar in the White House?

    First, Bush manages to chast away about 6 of them, starting with Richard Clarke, because he refuses to take them seriously or give them the tools they need to do their job. It seems Bush really doesn't want the annoyance of a counterterrorism czar hanging around.

    But finally he's found a use for one. Frances Fragos Townsend has been working the media this week, bigtime. If all the other lying shills are beginning to lose their magic (see also, Rummy hidden in an unidsclosed location), then you're going to need new ones.

    This is the way democracy ends Not with a bomb But with a gavel -Max Baucus

    by emptywheel on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 09:25:02 AM PDT

  •  Not a chance .... (none / 0)

    No chance of any other meaningful issue discussion now ... no Iraq, no economy, no corruption. (Err ... hold that ... maybe a little discussion of how gay marriage will cause the implosion of the universe.)

    We're in 24/7 fear mode now.

    (Looking at calendar)

    Attention Voters! Only 86 days of fear mongering until Election Day.

    "Self-respect is the keystone of democracy"

    by neverontheright on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 09:35:29 AM PDT

  •  This is fucked (none / 0)

    I was looking forward to hearing about Bush's results - Iraq is on the verge of blowing up and the economy is going down the pan - and we get to hear about a threat the administration hyped?

    Kerry simply must do something about the sycophant press.

    by PLS on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 09:42:27 AM PDT

  •  Brit Hume in for Wallace (none / 1)

    Rethugs everywhere sporting Sunday morning wood.

    by JoeyC on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 10:01:52 AM PDT

  •  "A Spare Piece of Dubya's Mind" (none / 0)

    A parody of what Bush is thinking that showed up in the Toronto Star:

    Excerpt:
    ------------
    My fellow warriors:

    I think we agree the past is over. We've turned the corner. Yet this is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses.
    ---------------

    http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&a mp;cid=1091743810961&call_pageid=968867495754&col=968705925735

    Canadian Progressive Bloggers

    by tribe34 on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 10:05:54 AM PDT

  •  Talk about FUCKED UP - or Cheneyed Up (none / 0)

    MTP= Meet The GOP. -  Cheney pieces of shit.

    Looks like ABC did the best job.  Gen McPeak will be BIG

    Hey, Dee:

    Please Put up an update, lettin everyone know that Gov. and Jon Stewart will be doing "Topic A with Tina Brown" today on CNBC.

    McCain: He's Constipated and Ready to GO

    by Al Rodgers on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 10:13:37 AM PDT

    •  On bright light on MTP (none / 0)

      is MoDo - she just published "Bush World", a blistering attack on Bushco.

      However, Rice is sucking big time.... Blasting Dean and trying to spin Ridge's comments backing the pres. She denies that Ridge was making a campaign pitch... "He works for the pres and the pres deserves credit".

      Well at least that is over!

      by PLS on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 10:20:12 AM PDT

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    •  done n/t (none / 1)

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by DemFromCT on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 11:10:03 AM PDT

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    •  Just fired off a letter to MTP... (none / 0)

      ...asking for a little more balance in the future.

      mtp@nbc.com

      by Jonathan on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 11:17:16 AM PDT

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    •  Loyalthy Oath? (none / 0)

      Maybe MTP has borrowed the new rule for Bush-Cheney Lie-Like-A-Motherfucker Events and is making the guests sign endorsements of the Chimperor before they let them on.  

      by Spideysense on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 12:03:02 PM PDT

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      •  why no news on the loyalty oath? (none / 1)

        I saw a riff on the Daily Show regarding the Cheney loyalty oath for one of his speaking event, but I haven't seen any news coverage of this.  Where is it?

        I say, why not just hire Hollywood extras for the task?  Seriously, making people sign a loyalty oath to ATTEND a political rally is just one step short of some of those "great" political propaganda films produced in Germany, circa 1937-41.

        "In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." --Thomas Jefferson

        by frisco on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 01:56:59 PM PDT

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  •  E-voting lead story on CBS Sunday Morning (none / 1)

    I'm watching it right now and they're doing a pretty through job discussing all the problems and opposition (go John Lewis!) to the touchscreen machines.  Somewhat a fluff job, but at least it's getting more mainstream attention.  

    by Southern Bird on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 10:19:14 AM PDT

  •  "textbook sharing of information" (none / 1)

    That's what Condi called last week's terror alert.

    Russert follows up with a Dean quote about it being impossible to know what's politics and what's real.

    "I wish that Governor Dean had been able to sit with us last weekend when we were going through these terror threats."

    So do I!

    Seems like a good opportunity for Tim to ask Condi a question about the potential outing of a double-agent....but no, Tim just lets her blather on and on with her empty phrases.  

    "The government is us, you and me." - TR

    by Chance the gardener on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 10:20:40 AM PDT

  •  Condi on MTP (none / 1)

    I just wathced the segment. Basically, Russert allowed her to spew her lies for 20 minutes without really being challanged at all. Russert seemed unusually subdued - I was hope he would make her squirm at least a bit, but no dice.  Obligatory Dean-bashing towards the end.

    Very disappointing...

    Dialog macht Sinn / Dialogue makes sense

    by DowneastDem on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 10:23:57 AM PDT

    •  Melon head Russert always bends over (none / 1)

      ...can anyone ever recall him being tough on a Thug??  Even with Shrub, this year, he was soft.  shrub screwed himself in that interview.

      McCain: He's Constipated and Ready to GO

      by Al Rodgers on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 10:28:22 AM PDT

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      •  russert - Krugman - o'reilly (3.50 / 2)

        Did anyone catch the "debate" that russert supposedly "moderated" between o'reilly and Paul Krugman?

        It was all but unwatchable. I'm trying to track down a transcript, but suffice it to say that o'reilly was o'reilly squared, and russert just let him "debate" (i.e., whoever screams loudest and speaks the most slanderous non-point bullshit, is "right") uninterrupted.

        Lots of tiny ugly remarks from b.o., who revealed himself, yet again, as a tiny, small man who was unbelivably intimidated by Krugman's intelligence. So he yelled a lot. And Russert just let him go on and on and on.

        From the WaPo's TV Column:

        Fox News Channel's chief talking head was invited to "chat" with Paul Krugman, New York Times columnist and author of "The Great Unraveling," after one of the "Tim Russert Show" producers learned that O'Reilly had issued a challenge to any New York Times reporter or columnist to engage in a debate with him.

        "Eureka!" we're sure this producer must have shouted -- at least in his or her head -- knowing that Krugman was scheduled to appear on Russert's CNBC show anyway this weekend to discuss his book. The producer offered Krugman the opportunity to be that person; he agreed, a show rep assured the TV Column.

        According to a transcript of their "conversation," a copy of which was given to the TV Column, it was everything you'd expect.

        O'Reilly called Krugman a "quasi-socialist"; Krugman called that "slander" and said if he is a quasi-socialist then O'Reilly is a "quasi-murderer"; O'Reilly pronounced Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11" a bit of "Nazi propaganda" that reinforced all of Krugman's "paranoid delusions"; Krugman insisted Moore's flick was "flawed" but was made by "a guy who really does love this country"; Russert hardly got a word in edgewise; and a good time was had by all. One of those exchanges that make you so proud to be a journalist.

        During their give and take -- okay, maybe it's more accurate to say push and shove, or slap and smack -- O'Reilly would periodically accuse Krugman of not letting him get in a sentence, or words to that effect.

        So we counted and, according to The Washington Post TV Team Transcript Tally, O'Reilly actually got in 321 sentences during the "debate," to Krugman's 258.


        at one point, b.o. said (paraphrasing) "if i were being an asshole (paraphrasing, remember?), russert would cart me out of here."

        Krugman's reply was a simple, effective , "Would he?"

        Camera cuts to russert's shit eating grin.

        why do i punish myself so often?

        The Thorn Papers
        Y'all come by now.

        by mitch2k2 on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 10:52:57 AM PDT

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        •  I caught just a bit, (none / 1)

          the ending segments a little before the first commercial and then the end.

          What struck me is as usual, Democrats are polite.  Nice guys finish last, and our guys are always nicer.  

          Krugman politely sat and listened to O'Liely rant and did not interrupt.  Tim said to Krugman, "when we return, I'll give you a chance to reply in full."  Then they come back and it's Krugman's turn, and every sentence he says, O'Liely interrupts and ends up pretty much taking the segment.  

          Help end world hunger by providing rice to hungry people for free.

          by OLinda on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 11:10:07 AM PDT

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        •  Turn the tables (none / 1)

          If it was Howard Stern shouting and screaming at Bill Safire or George Will in some "debate," would Melon head just sit through such bad behavior?  Nooooooooo.

          McCain: He's Constipated and Ready to GO

          by Al Rodgers on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 11:11:03 AM PDT

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        •  O'Reilly (none / 0)

          Is such an fun character. He says a lot of things which 99% is complete crap. I think Krugman probably just was tired. I know i am.

          If i had to debate O'Asshole, i think i would just vomit on his shoes and exit the building.

          Tim Russert was on his usual mode. Has anyone read his book? Does it reveal anything interesting about him, like the fact he's a semi-fascist right-wing knucklehead? Oh wait. We already know that...

          The Bush Administration: Delivering Pain, Suffering, Destruction and Death Worldwide since 2001

          by Jonesyboy on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 11:36:51 AM PDT

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          •  O'Reilly (none / 1)

            I think it's really just a matter of time before BO loses his cool enough to assault somebody on the air.  I eagerly await the scene on the news where he's led from his own studio in handcuffs.  It's gonna happen.  

            by Spideysense on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 12:05:57 PM PDT

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            •  i dunno (none / 0)

              i think he's all bluster, and honestly and inwardly a wholehearted punk and coward (folks like that usually are). i don't think he'd ever have the nerve to lift a hand against someone, for fear of having his ass handed to him in reply. can't you tell from his attitude how frightened and scared the little man really is?

              The Thorn Papers
              Y'all come by now.

              by mitch2k2 on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 02:53:38 PM PDT

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    •  Then I think I'll go garden instead... (none / 1)

      don't want to ruin my day. Thanks for the heads up.

      by Southern Bird on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 10:30:34 AM PDT

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  •  changing the subject, but (4.00 / 6)

    it did say open thread, and I thought this was veddy interrresting.

    A microcosm of our divided nation:  ;)

    "About 5,000 people turned out in La Junta Saturday at a rally for Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry."
    http://www.koaa.com/news/view.asp?ID=2558

    La Junta is a growing city on the High Plains of scenic Southeast Colorado. Located strategically on the historic Santa Fe Trail, La Junta is a community (in the traditional sense of the word) of about 10,000 friendly people who are looking to build into the future.
    http://www.lajuntachamber.com/

    Help end world hunger by providing rice to hungry people for free.

    by OLinda on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 10:47:35 AM PDT

  •  You guys have stronger constitution than me (none / 0)

    I can't watch that pathetic lineup on MTP.

    Sunday Morning on CBS instead, even though I have to sit through an interview w/ Robert Rauschenberg, who I can't stand. Seems like an interesting guy, but I can't stand his 'art'.

    Not very wonky, but a nice straightforward piece on computerized voting, with extra credits for featuring John Lewis in it.

    Of course, here in WI you get assaulted w/ political ads. The 'fairvote.org' simpleminded appeal to antichoice activists to bother Kohl & Feingold to 'allow' a 'simple up or down vote' on those poor fine upstanding judges that the evil liberals are blocking was especially annoying. Shit like that makes me miss NYC.

    One Tin Liberal Street Fighter Rides Away ...

    by Madman in the marketplace on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 10:51:28 AM PDT

  •  Speaking of political ads (none / 0)

    Here in Minnesota Bush has gone "positive."  Yup, he is trying to paint a rosy picture of him and America.  Shows lots of people working and playing, beautiful color, beautiful music, don't hear a word about Bush until the end, and then a soft reassuring voice says something like Vote for Bush and keep moving this country forward.

    That's it.  Going forward ... around the corner? over the cliff? what?  Don't who is targeted with this ad.

    by GrandmaJ on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 11:08:55 AM PDT

  •  Good interview (none / 0)

    with John Mellencamp on 'Sunday Morning' ...

    Talking about his politics, describing himself as 'marginally talented', he seems to much more comfortable in his own skin that he has in interviews I've seen w/ him in the past.

    One Tin Liberal Street Fighter Rides Away ...

    by Madman in the marketplace on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 11:12:52 AM PDT

  •  The 7 Minutes (4.00 / 2)

    "he did not want to alarm the 3rd-graders or the American people"

    Condi Rice today on Bush 9/11.

    Hell, it's alarming when the President freezes for 7 minutes in a school classroom upon learning that America has been attacked!

    Hillary '08.

    by Athena on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 11:13:35 AM PDT

    •  He didn't want to alarm the American people? (none / 1)

      Seriously, she said that?  Wow.  I was on my way to work on 9/11/01 when I heard about the planes hitting the WTC (I work in the financial district in Chicago) and no, I wasn't alarmed at all.  Nope, not a bit.  What's to be alarmed?  Even when I got to work and within minutes, the Sears Tower was being evacuated and the CME and the CBOT closed and evacuated, I wasn't alarmed, or anything.

      They are really reaching now, if stuff like that is actually coming out of their mouths.  You ask me, Bush sat there for 7 minutes mustering all the physical control he could in order to not pee his pants in front of a classroom full of 3rd-graders.  And I'm impressed that he did manage to control his bladder until he made it to the limo.

      "When fanatics are on top there is no limit to oppression" -- H.L. Mencken

      by cinnamondog on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 11:21:30 AM PDT

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      •  Yes she did... (none / 1)

        Poor Bush. He had to wait until Rove, Rumsfeld and Cheney made up a plan what the chimp sould do next when over 3,000 people were getting slaughtered on American soil. A feature that hasn't happened since Pearl Harbour.

        Could we bring back Roosevelt? Pretty please?

        Basically all the best things people can say about Bush are the fact that he could do much worse. "Oh sure, so he invaded Iraq by misleading and creating a fascist climate, while dooming hundreds of american soldiers to death and making americans the most hated people EVER, but at least he didn't trip on his shoes". Oh dear. This guy can get away with anything.

        Maybe i should start looking for a place to live in Toronto.

        The Bush Administration: Delivering Pain, Suffering, Destruction and Death Worldwide since 2001

        by Jonesyboy on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 11:48:25 AM PDT

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      •  Have mop & Babo, will travel (none / 0)

        You ask me, Bush sat there for 7 minutes mustering all the physical control he could in order to not pee his pants in front of a classroom full of 3rd-graders.  

        At least Bush was in an elementary school, where the janitors are generally prepared for the eventuality of someone peeing themselves.

        DailyKos for 50 States -- Let's Build It!

        by DavidW in SF on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 10:46:19 PM PDT

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    •  Exactly - (4.00 / 2)

      So he "alarms" a classroom of third graders! Imagine he had immediately stood up and said thank you and purposely strode from the room. When those third graders grew up, they would have remembered a real CCIC. As it is now, they'll have nightmares about the strange frightened man who seemed kind of like another third grader, except he was in a grown-up body and wearing a suit.

      -8.38, -8.00 Obama '08! Math beats myth.

      by hyperstation on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 11:23:53 AM PDT

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  •  From the Sunday papers (4.00 / 3)

    --specifically the Chicago Sun-Times, the opening lines of William O'Rourke's column, which is titled "Bush Campaign Is Crying Wolf":

    "The first thing to notice about the elevated orange terror alert is that it is confined to Democratic stronghold cities and states.  The next is to realize that no battleground states will be subjected to formal elevated alerts, lest the security interruptions sour the swing voters residing therein.

    "Terror alerts are mini-'October surprises' for this administration, ready to be employed any time President Bush wants to move the Kerry-Edwards campaign off the front pages for a few days.  The 'cry wolf' factor is high.  Tom Ridge's claim that his Homeland Security Department 'doesn't do politics' rings hollow, given his political background and the boss he is beholden to.  Bush can shout, 'We're a nation in danger' in the Rose Garden anytime he wishes, but the public may yet conclude that the danger is in the President's judgement."

    Yes indeed!  Also in the Sun-Times, Mary Mitchell's column is headlined "Keyes Just Carrying White Folks' Water in Senate Race."  (Mitchell is black.)  A good, cogently-written piece follows, and concludes with these words:  "For those of us who have argued consistently that black conservatives have something worthwhile to contribute, Keyes' presence in the Senate race represents a step backward, not a step forward."

    Not a good day for the Rethugs in this paper!

    "When fanatics are on top there is no limit to oppression" -- H.L. Mencken

    by cinnamondog on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 11:17:08 AM PDT

  •  where oh where is the info about the terror alert. (none / 0)

    i'm looking for an article where it says that the recent terror alert was based on 4 year old info and not about anything imminent.  i've found the links to news articles about the exposed probably indispensible operative, a cnn thing from two years ago which said that they thought financial institutions were going to be attacked, but nothing that says that there was no new info this time and that it was all based on old info.

    and yet people say this in lots of the posts.  i'm perfectly willing to believe it, but is there any hard evidence for it or is it just the extreme plausibility that people are banking on?

    any links would be much appreciated
    thanks

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    by delphis on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 11:19:02 AM PDT

    •  Google News (none / 1)

      is your friend.

      here are a few...

      Bloomberg: "U.S. Terror Alert Was Based on Old Intelligence, NYT Reports"

      BBC: "US terror plot intelligence 'old'"

      AP: "Ridge defends terror warning despite old intelligence"

      Al Jazeera: "Data on Terror Alert Years Old, US Officials Report"

      by dirtgirl on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 11:31:41 AM PDT

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      •  I love Google news (none / 0)

        a conservative friend I've been torturing for a year or more just emailed me for a list of polling sites and news sites where I get all my info ...

        I put www.news.google.com as the first link

        threw in Pollkatz, electoral vote and polling report ...

        I'm doing my best to coax him slowly into the light ....

        One Tin Liberal Street Fighter Rides Away ...

        by Madman in the marketplace on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 11:36:31 AM PDT

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        •  good polling article (4.00 / 2)

          apropos of nothing in particular, your post reminded me that i just read an excellent article on salon.com (members-only, sorry) about polling organizations.

          In it, the author consulted experts in public opinion research, and rated the various polling organizations.

          His take - Gallup is the gold standard, and you can trust most major networks & newspapers. Fox is alleged to be biased, but the experts said their methodology is solid, it's just their analysis that is lacking.

          He also said watch out for:

        • Zogby (internet sample not representative)
        • Rasmussen (interactive voice technology is easier to screw around with)
        • tracking polls (volatile and unreliable)
        • Rasmussen tracking polls (see 2 & 3)
        • ARG (won't disclose who pays for its polling)
        • local state polls (often done on the cheap)
        • polls sponsored by a political campaign or interest group (duh)

          I wonder if this year won't play according to the rules. Seems like 9/11 produced a lot of interest in politics where it didn't exist before. So I distrust any rating among "likely voters."  I also wonder if discrediting Zogby for recruiting on the Internet is going to hold water much longer.

by dirtgirl on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 11:51:07 AM PDT

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  •  excellent (none / 0)

    thanks

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    by delphis on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 11:39:25 AM PDT

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  •  o'reilly vs krugman (none / 0)

    augh!  is there a transcript of this anywhere????

    US Citizen Overseas? REGISTER TO VOTE ALREADY!

    jabberhawkie.com

    by kevin lyda on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 11:19:06 AM PDT

  •  Refill coffee (none / 0)

    then settle in to watch McPeak smack down Bush .... <rubhandsingleefulanticipation>

    leading w a piece about the birth of our new pet dictator.

    It's a full-out civil war a'birthin ...

    One Tin Liberal Street Fighter Rides Away ...

    by Madman in the marketplace on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 11:32:47 AM PDT

  •  Tommy Franks (none / 0)

    is sitting there defending the Afghan campaign ...

    un-effin-believable

    One Tin Liberal Street Fighter Rides Away ...

    by Madman in the marketplace on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 11:37:50 AM PDT

  •  Iraq: Americans trying to ignore it? (none / 1)

    I find the hypothesis that Americans dont want to talk about Iraq right now interesting.. it does seem to have hit the back-burner.. except when full-scale clashes erupt like they did a day or 2 ago.. it appears only that, or a day where an unusually large # of American soldier casualties happens, will it re-appear.

    By contrast in Canada,  on my ISP's homepage, which provides a summary of "Top Stories" from CBC News, the following Top 3 stories  show up in "World News" as this:

    "Allawi urges militants to quit Najaf"
    "Iranian diplomat kidnapped in Iraq"
    "Iraqi PM signs amnesty deal"

    Canadian Progressive Bloggers

    by tribe34 on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 11:39:08 AM PDT

  •  Tommy Franks (none / 0)

    shilling for Bush - "I cannot believe that America would not respond with evey tool in the kit bag" - equating Bush's responce with America.

    He did say Kerry is qualified to be CIC though.

    by PLS on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 11:41:58 AM PDT

  •  Franks (none / 0)

    just conflated F911 w/ the Swift Boat Liars ...

    Moore used facts and framed those facts ... you can argue w/ his conclusion, BUT HE USED FACTS, INCLUDING VIDEO.

    SBV's hurl easily refutable LIES told by people who weren't even there ...

    How in any way, shape or form are those two things both the same?!?!

    One Tin Liberal Street Fighter Rides Away ...

    by Madman in the marketplace on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 11:43:15 AM PDT

  •  Tommy Franks - swing voter! (none / 0)

    Hasn't made up his mind yet - about whether he'll speak at GOP convention nor whether he'll support Bush with his own vote.

    by musing graze on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 11:51:56 AM PDT

  •  McPeak (none / 1)

    was great.

    "I was a Veteran for Bush in 2000. It's this administration that's moved away from me."

    He made very strong points throughout the interview. Franks was all self-justifications, talking around issues ...

    I do want to know why Steph. asked McPeak about the WSJ editorial comparing the Generals to 'Pole Dancers' but not Franks. Isn't Franks politicking too? Oh, that's right, he's just shilling a book that HAPPENS to offer support for the pResident.

    One Tin Liberal Street Fighter Rides Away ...

    by Madman in the marketplace on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 11:56:15 AM PDT

  •  Biden was useless (none / 1)

    I thought he would have the sense to bring up BushCo's outing of the mole that Pakistani intelligence had in Al Qaeda, but he didn't. Pathetic.

    Liberalism is the origin and center of American politics. Thus, to reject liberalism is to reject America.

    by Alexander on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 12:01:57 PM PDT

  •  no mentioned this week on abc (none / 1)

    richard clarke and george will talking terror alerts with georgie.

    amazing balanced and thoughtful discussion... george will was respectful to clarke (i wonder if wills joined the crowd in bashing clarke when his book came out ?) and wills actually criticized Ridge for politicizing alerts.

    Clarke said the activity in europe and pakistan actually showed this is best week in our fight on terrorism since december 1999 but white house messed up when sent ridge out there to politicize terror alert.

    the consensus of panel  is that administration has lost all credibility in these terror alerts.

    by smartone on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 12:09:32 PM PDT

  •  safire is a slug (4.00 / 2)

    He sat there and called W an 'internationalist'.

    MoDo (looking cougarish) called Ws current phase of futility his 'teen rebellion'. Good one. Time for Mer'ca to send W to is room (even though he may have stashed some booze and doobies in there).

    Sounds like slugfire swallowed some of MoDo's hairspray. 'Mispoke', you mean like WMDs? 9/11=saddam?

    ~ have a powerful day ~

    by moeman on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 12:24:41 PM PDT

  •  Disgusted with Russert (3.50 / 2)

    Dennis Hastert is on MTP now -- he just characterized Dean as having said that the heightened terror alerts were completely political. That wasn't what Dean said -- in fact they showed Dean's quote earlier in the Condi Rice segment, in which he said you can't tell how much is political and how much is an actual threat -- yet Russert did not correct Hastert for misquoting/spinning Dean. So much for the "tough questioning.

    Last night I saw Russert "mediating" a discussion with O'Reilly and Paul Krugman. It literally upset my stomach, the way O'Reilly bullied, lied and attacked his way through the show and Russert just let it happen. Never once did he step in and suggest O'Reilly should calm down. It felt like watching a teacher stand by and watch one schoolkid beat up and berate another kid. What was the point of having Russert there if he wasn't going to moderate?

    Don't blame me. I voted for the SMART one.

    by gogaddy on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 12:33:59 PM PDT

  •  Dowd / Safire MTP trainwreck (4.00 / 4)

    It's been a looong time since I've subjected my eyes to anything that stupid. Maureen looked like she took three too many sleeping pills last night and is apparently obsessed that Iraq is all about family drama, which is so simplistic and off the mark it boggles my mind... Not to mention how sadly it trivializes the state of the nation. Then they actually start talking about sharing a bathroom and Safire's hairspray (?!). And Safire is just sooo lost the whole time, proclaiming that the best analysis of Teresa came from LIMBAUGH.

    I could hardly believe how poor and how worthles the whole segment was. Why does the "Paper of Record" continue to employ such assclowns??

    by Helical on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 12:36:54 PM PDT

  •  More signs that MSNBC (3.80 / 5)

    is counter-programming CNN & Faux...

    the morning news coverage is actually talking about the outing of Khan, the damage it might do ...

    this is the ONLY coverage I've heard this morning of this aspect of the story. Has anybody heard any anywhere else?

    One Tin Liberal Street Fighter Rides Away ...

    by Madman in the marketplace on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 12:38:49 PM PDT

  •  a confession (none / 0)

    I can't bring myself to watch any political talk shows beyond Washington Week and NOW. I particularly avoid those on cable. Too much noise, too much rancor. So I rely upon all you lovely people to sum up for me, and appreciate it.

    But that leaves me at a disadvantage. I assume that the Tina Brown show is taped, and thus will play at 8:00 pm on the west coast, too? Please enlighten me. I can't miss Howard and Jon.

    "There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty." - John Adams.

    by mcjoan on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 12:58:07 PM PDT

  •  My favorite comment this morning (none / 0)

    came from John McLaughlin of the McLaughlin Group.  He called Bush's proposed intelligence cheif "vasectimized" because of the lack of budget control.

    "The way the loser loses will determine whether the winner wins in November." -- Rahm Emanuel

    by Newsie8200 on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 01:10:57 PM PDT

  •  Condi Still An Icon (3.50 / 4)

    After watching MTP and Late Edition, one thing is still clear:  no one in the press is prepared to put tough questions to Condi Rice, no one will point out that she has not answered a question and no one will correct her when she lies or distorts the facts.

    Considering her rather unbroken record of incompetence and uselessness, this is amazing.  Doesn't anyone remember that she was put "in charge" of Iraq a while ago?  

    What, I would like to know, has Condi Rice ever accomplished that would merit the deference?

    by James Earl on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 01:24:57 PM PDT

  •  I cant Swim!? (none / 0)

    This is post lossly related to the morning talk shows.  After 5 minutes of watching TR allow Condi to just prattle and distort I turned my attention to the Boston Globe.  

    They have a picture on the front page of the Bush clan fishing.  Well in any event everyone is in Boat / Outdoor attire but something is funny about W.  He is either wearing either: (i) a bullet proof vest or; (ii) a life preserver or (iii) a "sports vest" but one it does not really look like a "sprts vest" that would seem more applicable to fly fishing.

    In all events I am curious.  If it is a life preserver, Two comments.  First, all one can say is how appropriate!  Second, if the chimp cannot swim this seems so "un tough guy like" and an image problem similar to the Duke in a tank shot.

    Take a look and let me know what you think.  Okay onto the more substantive comments!

    Hayduke Lives!

    by Green Man on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 02:14:22 PM PDT

  •  Good point on terror alerts (none / 0)

    Kevin Drum has a good point about the recent terror alerts over at Washington Monthly:
    A quick note to all my Bush-hating homies out there: it's quite possible that (a) al-Qaeda really is planning an attack in the United States sometime soon and (b) that the Bush administration has cynically hyped this to the skies for the basest political reasons.

    Both of these things might be true. My guess is that both are true.

    Very cogent IMHO.

    sPh

    by sphealey on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 02:58:01 PM PDT

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