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As a few other diaries have already pointed out, CNN is letting Tucker Carlson go. According to this AP Television story, they're letting Crossfire go too:

CNN will probably fold "Crossfire" into its other programming, perhaps as an occasional segment on the daytime show "Inside Politics," said Jonathan Klein, who was appointed in late November as chief executive of CNN's U.S. network.


[Carlson, t]he bow-tied wearing conservative pundit got into a public tussle last fall with comic Jon Stewart, who has been critical of cable political programs that devolve into shoutfests.

"I guess I come down more firmly in the Jon Stewart camp," Klein told The Associated Press.

He said all of the cable networks, including CNN, have overdosed on programming devoted to arguing over issues. Klein said he wants more substantive programming that is still compelling.

Now that's good news. CNN has decided to grow up and treat politics as a serious issue. Too bad they couldn't have done it before the election... and let's hope it holds until the next one.

Originally posted to neil on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 04:39 PM PST.

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  •  Wow. (none)
    Whats the deal with Klein? Does snyone know anything about him?

    I havent looked at CNN (or for months.

    In the midst of life we are in debt, etc.

    by ablington on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 04:21:35 PM PST

    •  Signs of a possibly decent news man? (4.00)
      Never heard of the guy, but the Stewart quote alone puts him in the top 5% of TV news people that I know of, although that aint worth shit.

      However, a quick search turns this up:

      In 1993, Jon launched a unique prime-time documentary series, Before Your Eyes, two-hour movies-of-the-week that explored social issues such as child abuse, AIDS and juvenile delinquency through the eyes of real people living through dramatic moments in their lives with the cameras rolling. The series, for which Jon served as executive producer and director, was acclaimed for pioneering new forms of storytelling and received numerous national awards.

      In 1997, Klein conceived and executive produced the CBS documentary Inside the Jury Room, in which network television cameras were permitted for the first time to observe deliberations in a criminal trial. The documentary won a Columbia-DuPont Silver Baton.

      Klein also wrote the story for the TNT Original film Buffalo Soldiers, a 1997 historical drama starring Danny Glover.


      May not be too bad, if he A) has enough free range to do what he wants to do at CNN and B) continues in a similar direction as to whats mentioned on that page.

      Strength without wisdom is a chimera, resolve without competence a travesty. - David Neiwert

      by SleepyG on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 04:30:53 PM PST

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      •  Thanks for the info. (none)
        I have reached new levels of laziness when I rely on strangers to do my Googling for me....

        This gets my hope up a little. A LITTLE.

        In the midst of life we are in debt, etc.

        by ablington on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 04:36:30 PM PST

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        •  Wouldn't that be wonderful? (none)
          I'm afraid to hope. Now, if they would only fire everybody except Aaron Brown. Well,maybe except Aaron Brown.

          Thanks for the news.

          •  Keep Aaron Brown (4.00)
            He is the one of a fast dying breed- a journalist, not a "news entertainer".

            The best lesson I've learned in life is that spirituality is NOT religion.

            by Oke on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 09:17:37 PM PST

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          •  What do you think of Paula Zahn? n/t (none)
            •  Paula Zahn approves of torture (none)
              at least she did when they were discussing it right after 9/11 on CNN. The old justification: 'What if American lives were at stake' was being discussed and Paula chimed in 'what about beatings?' twice. I cannot overlook that.

              Hell, even Ann Coulter disdained torture, saying 'It just doesn't work.' [maybe she had some first hand experience? :-( ]

              •  At which end of the whip? (none)

                "You don't lead by pointing and telling people some place to go. You lead by going to that place and making a case." - Ken Kesey

                by Glinda on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 04:34:53 AM PST

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              •  Really? (none)
                Sounds inappropriate.  However, I would be surprised if she wasn't just playing "devil's advocate."  I see her do that with both sides on a fairly even basis.

                I suppose I should disclose that I might be a tad biased about her.  I knew her (not well) back in Naperville, IL.  She was in my high school graduating class.  Paula was a super brain, not stuck on herself (unspoiled, even) and nice to everyone.  Salutorian of the class.  A diligent and serious student, she used to enter beauty contests to get scholarship money for college.

                She is one of the very few reporters on TV who seems to have no agenda.  To me, anyway.  But, again, I have a pre-conceived notion of her.

            •  Good at staying on-script (none)
              Not sure she has any strong opinions of her own. Certainly she hasn't made any attempt to let us know what they are. She looks good on a news set though.

              Oh, and in those commercials. I think of her as the Britney Spears of CNN. (Worse, I think they do, too.)

              "...there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so." Hamlet, Act II, Scene ii.

              by thingamabob on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 06:45:52 AM PST

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            •  Nice Teeth (none)

              People vote for sunshine, not for gloom and doom!

              by missliberties on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 06:26:09 PM PST

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      •  Substantive and compelling... (none)
        Sound like SpikeTV meets The Surgery Channel.  I don't believe a word these guys say.  Their owned by media fascists.  You can't be decent and get to that level.  Trust me, I WAS at that level and at the time, I wasn't decent.
    •  CNN couldn't get worse (4.00)
      Are we seeing a new direction?  Did they realize that 48% of the country is not being served by cable news?  There was a similar story about CNN doing real-time debunking of Bush's tort reform ideas.

      I'm a member of a minority group: the reality-based community.

      by Unstable Isotope on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 07:08:08 PM PST

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    •  Facts on CNN (4.00)
      Wonder if he's the one responsible for flashing facts that contradicted what Bush was saying during his speech today on medical malpractice reform.  Read all about it here.
    •  What about that douche bag Novak? (4.00)
      Glad to hear Tucker(he's a dick) is being canned but I won't be happy 'til CNN gets rid of Novak as well.

      Don't usually write in such harsh terms but thought it appropriate to use Jon Stewart's flowerly language to describe these guys...

      "How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?" - John Kerry

      by goldilocks on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 10:37:40 PM PST

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      •  that's the second time today - (none)
        that a woman has referred to Novak as a "dochebag".  It's nice when folks speak their minds.  I loathe Novak more than all other TV news people combined.  He should have been shot for outing Plame - what a piece of shit, how does he live with himself?
  •  So why the F... (4.00)
    has PBS given a show to Tucker Carlson?  My wife and I have been members of our local PBS station for years.  We plan on writing a protest letter.  Does PBS have a clue that Carlson is a shill?

    Keep your eyes on the prize.

    by Better Days on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 04:28:44 PM PST

    •  they gave him (none)
      and some editor from the Wall Street Journal a show at the same time that NOW was reduced from an hour to a half hour.  ive unfortunately known about this since the summer. sigh

      crossfire getting cancelled because it sucks, not just about ratings is a great thing.  i wonder what GW is going to do w/that studio?  they built a studio into a building on campus just to house crossfire.

      •  i am listening to FAIR right now (3.33)
        and they reminded me of an important point.  two major Bush donors were appointed to the Corporation for Public Broadcasting Board.  they have been increasingly funding right leaning shows like Tucker's.   they are the source for tax payers dollars going to public broadcasting.  NOW on the other hand is not among the shows recieving public dollars.
      •  Which is why PBS will never see another dime (none)
        from me.

        "Our slogan shall be a rotten candidate for a rotten borough." -Edmund Blackadder, from Blackadder III

        by WussGawd on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 04:30:14 AM PST

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        •  Not So Fast... (none)
          Your dollars go to your local PBS station.  They need your support, and they don't make the programming decisions at the national level.  As someone who for the last four years worked at a local PBS station, I can tell you that the general managers were not at all thrilled with this programming decision.  

          You aren't going to like every single show on your PBS station, but don't throw the baby out with the bath water.  Remember that your contribution supports The News Hour, Frontline, Independent Lens, awesome documentaries like last night's Robert McNeil program on American English.

          I could go on and on.  Yes, Carlson is a schmo who doesn't deserve his own show on PBS.  I'm guessing that show won't last past this season, based on my knowledge of PBS-land. But I implore you to continue supporting your local PBS station.

          Respectfully yours....

          •  I worked at UNC-TV in North Carolina (none)
            for years and have finally cut them totally out of my philanthropy. Public broadcasting is slowly going the way of commercial broadcasting . . . selling out to corporate interests and all but abandoning their watchdog responsibilities. If local stations have a problem with national decisions, they should say so loudly and publicly. But they don't. They just go along. Because of the money.

            So I say let them take that tainted money and run themselves into the ground. They've lost me and my funding for good.

            Do good. Be nice. Have fun.

            by ElizabethJames on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 06:42:09 AM PST

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          •  Sorry (none)
            It's hard to think of a function of PBS.

            Covering Wal-Mart 15 years after it's too late to matter. A cultural universe that contains almost nothing but 1930's and 1970's England, investment advice, and commercial new age music.

            We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy....--ML King, "Beyond Vietnam"

            by Gooserock on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 09:19:43 AM PST

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    •  dear old Dad (4.00)
      a little nepotism goes a long way:

      from AlterNet:

      "Richard Carlson used to head the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, which partially funds PBS, and also contributes to the production of -- you guessed it -- "Tucker Carlson Unfiltered! Before that, Richard headed the United States Information Agency, which presumably explains the propaganda gene so prevalent in much of young Tuck's prior shouting . . .er, "reporting."
      •  Holy smokes. (none)
        That is pathetic.

        In the midst of life we are in debt, etc.

        by ablington on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 04:38:13 PM PST

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      •  uh, wow (4.00)
        this is the first time I have heard this bit of trivia.
      •  every time I see the title of that show (4.00)
        Tucker Carlson Unfiltered -- I think of a cesspool rupturing
      •  ah... (none)
        that explains a lot...
      •  Apples falling from trees? (n/t) (none)

        Where can I get a "Don't blame me, I voted for Kerry" bumper sticker?

        by bobinson on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 09:11:10 PM PST

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      •  I Knew About The PBS Show (none)
        But I did not know about his father's work with the CPB, or the USIA.  

        So now we get the propaganda that was intended for the Iron Curtain countries on our PBS stations.

        I've always thought the whole Whitewater/Monica business was a domestic version of the black ops the CIA used to run in countries where they were trying to either overthrow the government, or ensure only politicians we approved of got elected.  I guess with the end of the Cold War, the part of the CIA that gave us E. Howard Hunt and the various propanda agencies that assisted them had nothing to do, so they turned their attention to domestic politics.

        "L'enfer, c'est les autres." - Jean Paul Sartre, Huis Clos

        by JJB on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 02:59:04 AM PST

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        •  But did you know MSNBC is courting him now? (4.00)
          From the MSNBC website:

          Klein on Wednesday told Carlson, one of the four "Crossfire" hosts, that CNN would not be offering him a new contract. Carlson has been talking with MSNBC about a prime-time opening replacing Deborah Norville.

          "I would host any kind of show for (MSNBC chief executive) Rick Kaplan," said Carlson, whose Friday night PBS show "Tucker Carlson: Unfiltered" resumes this week.
          (use link for full article)

          What is it with all these media shows competing to see which one gets to the bottom of the barrel first!  Well, at least CNN got rid of one piece of if they would only follow suit with Novak, the most disgusting, vile arrogant blowhard of them all!

          •  I Did See That (none)
            In a NYT story that I read before I saw this diary entry.  In the story, Carlson claims he actually quit "Crossfire" 9 months ago, but stayed on until his contract expired, and that the MSNBC gig is a done deal.  MSNBC denies that anything has been signed yet.  Their ratings are so pathetic I guess they figure they have nowhere to go but up, though I honestly don't see how you can help yourself by hiring another network's failures.  Who knows what the truth is, my guess is both sides are lying, i.e., TC is aghast at losing his CNN gig and MSNBC probably approached him with an attractive offer a while ago not knowing he was going to get the ax.  Since MSNBC is the network that canned it's highest rated nighttime program (Phil Donahue) while throwing big bucks all sorts of right-leaning morons whose shows didn't draw flies, I think assuming they made a big time offer to a guy who was about to become unemployed is the safest bet.

            "L'enfer, c'est les autres." - Jean Paul Sartre, Huis Clos

            by JJB on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 05:16:32 AM PST

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      •  Tucker's mommy is a journalist. n/t (none)
    •  PBS is terrified of a Republican jihad. (none)
      IIRC, this was described in an "On the Media" segment.  (Archives available online in freely-downloadable mp3; you'll have to search through for the specific show.)

      I don't think PBS gets much, if any funding from the federal government still.  (Almost all public broadcasting funds come from multinational corporations these days.)

      But the Red Menace could turn against PBS at any time, strapping it to a cliff and eating its liver.  So Hot Carlson was given his shining high chair, and Moyers was burned like a kid in Carthage.

      •  worst of both worlds? (none)
        Given the government control but lack of significant government funding, is there any way to sever the government ties?

        Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe. --H. G. Wells

        by realitybased on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 07:43:34 PM PST

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      •  That sucks about TC and WSJ on PBS, but ... (none)
        ... didnt Moyers quit? They didnt push him out did they?

        PBS is too corporate and GOPpy. How bout that News Hour with Gwenn and Jim. Ick. I cant watch it anymore. Used to like it in the 80's when McNeil was on and Woodruff was good stuff.

      •  Wow... (none)
        I don't think PBS gets much, if any funding from the federal government still.  (Almost all public broadcasting funds come from multinational corporations these days.)

        Silly me, I didn't know there was a difference.

        •  untrue (none)
          In fact, corporate support for PBS has declined considerably in recent years, while federal support has fortunately held steady.  For example, ExxonMobil didn't renew its 25 year support of Masterpiece Theatre and they haven't been able to find more corporate support for this program.

          As for the comments about The News Hour, you're really off the mark.  For instance, if you'd ever spent five minutes in a room with Ray Suarez (and I had the privilege of spending almost a day with him not too long ago), you'd know how liberal he is.  In fact, two years ago, at the PBS annual meeting, he sat on a stage and debated Tucker Carlson, who by the way got a VERY COLD reception at that meeting from the local affiliate folks who in no way welcomed his new show.

    •  PBS, Clue, hmmmm (none)
      Didn't they just do a show on that up & coming department store chain called Wal*Mart? Evidently it's something to watch out for.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy....--ML King, "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 07:51:03 PM PST

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      •  in which they completely slammed Wal-Mart (4.00)
        FRONTLINE is the best damned show on television.

        I can see I am the only person here defending PBS.  If we don't support PBS through these difficult political waters, folks, there will be nothing left after the Bush regime finally comes to an end.

        I'm done.

        •  I defend PBS: (none)
          They give CT folks UCONN Husky Women's Basketball all winter long...

          Seriously, I do.  

          But..when my unbelievably Republican -- "Bush is good for the country" -- uncle told me that he's surprised that PBS news is so good, and then pats himself on the back for being open-minded, I have to rethink.

        •  True But Journalism Must Be Functional, Not (none)
          only right. Coming 10-15 years late to a story, it's not journalism, it's history.

          PBS has to share my television with CBC. For my money Frontline has rarely done a story that compared with What The World Thinks of Americans a couple of years ago. CBC pretty regularly outdoes the best of PBS.

          Lehrer vs Peter Mansbridge? For that matter, Lehrer vs. Rick Mercer.

          We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy....--ML King, "Beyond Vietnam"

          by Gooserock on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 09:29:19 AM PST

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  •  Wow. (none)
    that's good news.  Deserves a recommend click.
  •  Excellent (none)
    Hopefully Klein wants to cover actual news.  We'll see starting tomorrow based on the network's coverage of the certification, the Gonzales hearings, and the upcoming social security fight.

    I'm not getting my hopes up yet, but we'll see.  I don't ask for the liberal equivalent of Fox, all I ask for is real, objective, unbiased reporting.  We don't need a liberal Fox, the facts are on the reality based community's side.  

    "We will fight them, sir, until hell freezes over. And then, sir, we will fight them on the ice."

    by Raybin on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 04:42:47 PM PST

    •  We shoujld have a liberal Faux News. (none)
      The reds have 40 Republican funded think tanks getting together every week to hone a message for the people. To come up with talking points to spread to the right wing media. There are a lot of right wing media outlets. So much so that the mainstream media get a hold of it and turn it into news. This week it happens to be medical litigation. Next week is the evil of Social Security and then on to flat tax.

      What do we put up against this onslaught? Al Franken and Ed Shultz on the radio?

      We need TV!

      Where can I get a "Don't blame me, I voted for Kerry" bumper sticker?

      by bobinson on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 09:21:04 PM PST

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  •  CNN is a suck-up to whoever (3.86)
    is in power and whatever sensational gossip is flung from the dung heap and sticks to the inside of your cathode tube.

    WRONG! CNN is a liberal patsy-pigeon dripping with anti-Bush propaganda and pro-homosexual agenda-laced pseudo-reporting.

    You don't know your head from your hemmerhoids. CNN is a corporate-sponsored 24-hour commercial that sells whatever is on the political shelf at the moment. They'll flip for the GOP or the Dems as it suits a word, they're principle-less.

    Your socks are cutting off the blood to your brain. If CNN were any further to the left you'd have to watch it in widescreen format just to see Woodruff's bangs...

    I never get tired of that.

    The secret source of humor is not joy but sorrow; there is no humor in heaven. - Samuel Clemens

    by PBJ Diddy on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 04:45:49 PM PST

    •  Isn't it sad (4.00)
      when dKossacks miss the humor...?

      "So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past." -- F. Scott Fitzgerald

      by Passing Shot on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 05:33:48 PM PST

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    •  I thought it was funny (none)

      "It's been headed this way since the World began, when a vicious creature made the jump from Monkey to Man."--Elvis Costello

      by BigOkie on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 07:12:57 PM PST

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    •  JEERS to the 2 clueless ones (4.00)
      and CHEERS to PBJ for his wit


      sorry, wrong diary

    •  ;) Nice. (4.00)
      Did Jon Stewart comment on this on tonight's Daily Show?  Crossfire does well and truly suck, but not any more or less than Judy Woodruff and Anderson Poseur's vanity programs.  I wonder if the final straw was the utterly horrendous job Carlson did filling in for the anchor on Newsnight - I tuned that in once or twice, and Carlson couldn't ask a guest a question in a serious, adult tone of voice if his career depended on it.  

      Also, why can't CNN take Larry King off the air?  What a waste of time that show is.  Psychic TV is teh lame.

      •  So glad to hear (4.00)
        somebody else dislikes Larry King.He's a nauseatingly obsequious,anachronistic TV curiosity. With his arch comments, his snigger, his cute little suspenders, he could be the poster boy for CNN. Disgusting man.
      •  Larry King is CNN's top rated show, (4.00)
        so I expect they'll be broadcasting just the coffin-cam before that show goes off the air.
        •  Foity Thousand Interviews... (none)
          and he's just getting started!


          "But then I viddied that thinking is for the gloopy ones and the oomny ones use, like, inspiration and what Bog sends." -- Alex de Large

          by rgilly on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 04:48:25 AM PST

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      •  Larry King (none)
        He should just go to Court TV already and be done with it.  How many viewers did he lose by wasting month after month on the Peterson trial?    

        "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." -Abraham Lincoln

        by Dr Van Nostrand on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 08:12:49 AM PST

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      •  jon stewart/larry king (none)
        i watched crossfire on 12/31 and they were doing sort of a year-end review -- bagala and novack.  When they got to the jon stewart incident, i thought they would acknowledge that he had made a legitimate point that got people thinking.  Instead, they both said that since he called TC a dick (i.e., used foul language) that he undermined whatever his point was, and therefore made no point at all!!????

        Also, re: Larry King -- last week Sam Champion, how is a weatherman on the local NYC ABC news channels, subbed for him and was totally AWESOME!!  Who knew??  I wish he could take King's place -- he is an embarrassment, not just to CNN, but to the entire US of A.

        tikkun olam -- heal the world

        by bjeanh1 on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 10:02:07 AM PST

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    •  Aaron Brown was once accused of (none)
      always favoring the White House and he agreed that he did. Well, that was just after 9/11 and he seems to have changed.

      Everytime Bush sneezes, CNN interrupts all programming to report it. Like there is nothing else interesting in a huge country like the USA?

      After the mid-term elections, when the Republicans were gloating, CNN staff were in a jubilant mood, mostly wearing red.

      CNN is to the right of GHENGIS KHAN.

  •  Hallalujah! (4.00)
    This is the best news I've heard since November.  Dare we hope for serious news media again?
  •  That's good news, but wake me up when CNN (4.00)
    demonstrates is capable of doing serious and engaging programming (which is not to say that its unserious programming was engaging either.) When they start hiring Frontline producers I'll start paying attention.

    "Angels wings are icing over/ Mcdonnell-douglas olive drab/ They bear the names of our sweethearts/And the captain smiles, as we crash" Camper Van Beethoven

    by spot on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 04:57:33 PM PST

    •  I know (none)
      I can't stand that Paula Zahn.

      They should be able to to an interview with the five million victims of the tsunami, and that should be good for about another five years of boring coverage.

      It would be so great if a station actually tried to appeal to libruls!

      ...people will always vote for the sunshine, not for the darkness

      by missliberties on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 08:26:40 PM PST

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  •  Just Proves How Much Tucker's Capital Went Up (4.00)
    Mr. Bow Tie Prickface priced himself right out of CNN's league. He's the Terrell Owens of media hacks -- ego way too big for his job. He probably took Jon Stewart's abuse as the final insult. Next job, he won't be expected to take that kind of interview to promote the show.

    As for Crossfire, good fucking riddance. What a piece of crap, Stewart was dead on about it.

    We the undersigned urge you to support Federal funding for research using human pluripotent stem cells. -80 Nobel Laureates to Pres. Bush

    by easong on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 05:05:30 PM PST

    •  Stewart was right, (none)
      but I do miss the old Kinsley/Buchanan days.  Nothing wrong with an antagonistic political show as long as it's got some dignity and intelligence.  Crossfire became a parody of itself after Kinsley and Buchanan left.  Man, I miss seeing Kinsley on TV.
    •  Now get rid of Bob Novak! (none)
      I have no idea why anybody is still employing that unAmerican douchebag after he leaked information about the CIA agent who was actually helping gather intelligence on WMD. And the conservatives say liberals are unAmerican!

      Vote with your Wallet.

      by shark on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 11:39:02 PM PST

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      •  At least Crossfire (none)
        Put Begala and Carville on, who, while in the crappy format, put up a bigger fight than you see on 'balanced' panels on Meet the Press, or Stephanapolous et al

        At least there's no Bush eulogy on why they had to die. It's better that they're laid to rest without another lie. CTrillin

        by EastFallowfield on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 02:29:10 AM PST

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      •  CNN fired Bill Press (none)
        and he was a good debater, an ex-Jesuit.

        I think he was fired because the last program he was on he said "I've been here six years and I wish it could have been longer." Maybe they tried to force him to do something against his principles. At least he had some.

  •  Shoutfests are biased towards Republicans (4.00)
    The main reason this is good news is that the Republicans benefit hugely, and will always benefit hugely, from the reduction of all political arguments to emotionally charged shouting matches with a 2 minute time limit.

    If you put the Olympic gold medalist wrestler on WWE and made him play by the rules, he could never win.

    •  Exactly, Because (none)
      their primary strategy is voter nausification.

      Everything that makes politics more contentious damages the reputation of politics as a solution for anything, and disproportionately drives down participation by our side.

      It's really true that for Republicans there is rarely such a thing as bad publicity.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy....--ML King, "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 09:33:55 AM PST

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  •  what if they actually commit journalism now? (4.00)
    I mean, just by accident, once in a while?

    We are not a "compassionate conservatives." We are "fighting liberals." And we'll kick your ass.

    by Pachacutec on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 05:43:33 PM PST

  •  Carlson in for Brown... (4.00)
    When CNN let Carlson step in for Arron Brown...I thought WTF are they doing...Now I get it, They were showing the world what a piece of shit Carlson really is and how embarrassingly pathetic he is at hosting his own show. Now I hope they also ditch that God-awful old man with the grey hair that gives moronic a new defination. I just call him Asshole, I don't know his name, but what an Asshole.

    educate 'em when they're young

    by Chamonix on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 06:04:22 PM PST

  •  The Fox News take on it (none)
    I was watching Fox News late one night a few days ago, and they had a panel discussion reviewing the media during 2004.  I don't remember who all the people were, but the funny thing is, they all...and I mean ALL...ripped Crossfire and in particular, Tucker Carlson.  There was absolutely no dissent on this panel.  Every one of them was in agreement that Crossfire was garbage and Tucker Carlson wasn't worth the bowtie you'd strangle him with.

    But I'm not in Berkeley anymore

    by Paul in Berkeley on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 06:10:18 PM PST

  •  Random Acts of Journalism (none)
    It would be rather wacky if a cable news network attempted to cover the news in a professional manner.

    The Buffalo Soldiers TV movie that SleepyG pointed out the new CEO wrote was a fairly liberal treatment of black soldiers during the civil war tasked with fighting off Native Americans.  On IMDB, one of the commentors posted "Politically Correct Crap" - which just made me smile a little.  Apparently someone with "values" is in the top seat for now.

    It is possible that CNN is experimenting with a more centrist approach to appeal to moderate and liberal audiences.  Since Fox News started up in the late 90's, there has been a revolving door of CEOs at the network trying to compete.  Maybe they finally decided to go after a different market share than Fox viewers for that competitive edge.

    I'll believe it when I see it, but it would be nice.

    If there is no left, the center cannot hold.

    by JAS1001 on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 06:38:37 PM PST

    •  That is my take on the change at CNN (none)
      The only time the ratings have been up for CNN this past year (other than hurricanes/tsunami) was during the Democratic Convention. Why not preach to the liberal choir and then grow from there?

      I will check in again from time to time.

      The beatings will continue, until moral improves.

      by mad ramblings of a sane woman on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 05:18:47 AM PST

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  •  They can cancel Crossfire all they want (none)
    But SpInside Politics is still going to suck. The show's producers all seem to be looking for a story to break their careers. That doesn't make for good journalism.
  •  Guess "Jacuzzi boy Tucker" (4.00)
    must have flunked the test last week...from the article

    "He subbed last week for newscaster Aaron Brown as Klein wanted to see him in a different role before making a decision about his future. Klein said his views on wanting to change the tone of political coverage were separate from the decision to keep Carlson."  
    •  uh huh (none)
      I caught a few minutes of that ... it was awful. I think I melted the button on the remote trying to speed change the channel.

      Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups

      by Catriana on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 07:30:23 PM PST

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    •  Wow (none)
      I was right.  It was painful to watch.  Carlson is simply incapable of wiping that childish smirk off his face for any length of time, or of taking serious issues seriously.  You have the feeling everything has been handed to him and he's never known real hardship in his life, and he constantly treats the news with this flip attitude that I find extremely insulting.  He needs to grow up and eat some humble pie.  
    •  I just couldn't watch. (none)
      I normally catch Newsnight-I've always liked Aaron Brown. But Carlson is like nails on a blackboard for me, and I flipped the channel within 30 seconds of realizing that Carlson was subbing for Brown.
    •  We Can Disagree With Aaron Brown (none)
      but clearly the man has heart. Rarely do many minutes go by that we can't see him recognizing that the stories affect real people, that the news really matters.

      Tucker's part of the crowd for whom mattering doesn't matter.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy....--ML King, "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 09:37:44 AM PST

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    •  Did you ever (none)
      consider that Aaron just needed a vacation.

      I can't believe you guys!

      While suffering Carlson and Novak, yes, Crossfire, WAS the ONLY place on TV liberals could actually tune in and see

      CARVILLE AND BEGALA the two most intelligent and outspoken, well informed liberals on television.

      This is a loss for the left.

      Note to PETA members; have you noticed that in the animal world, animals eat other animals for dinner?

      by missliberties on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 04:01:52 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  I'm confused by your comment. (none)
        Aaron was on vacation. I am not disputing that at all. My comment was made noting that Tucker (made infamous by his disgusting jacuzzi comments in regards to the tragic maiming of a young girl Edwards defended)was leaving the network and that it appears that his  subbing last week for Brown was a tryout for some other type of anchor role(not necessarily Aaron's) and he(Tucker) failed miserably. I don't think he was trying out for Aaron's job (I certainly hope not), just a show at the CNN network, perhaps one like Wolf, Judy & Aaron all have?

        Having said that, I actually don't care for Crossfire as much as I used to.

        Anyway, I don't watch much of any CNN anymore. However, the one show I will watch is Aaron Brown if time permits. I also agree with the other commenter about Aaron Brown's character as a news reporter, even if I don't agree with him all the time I like his show and the job he does....imho he tries to get the facts right, so I respect him and will support the show by watching it.

        Sorry I didn't make myself clearer in my original post.

  •  I thought journalism was bad 8 years ago (none)
    Now I'd give anything to have journalism back to what it was 8 years ago.

    Funny how I could say the same thing about politics.

    That's okay, the pendulum is about to swing back anyway.

    Google bomb tom delay and coward. Ask me how to help.

    by danthrax on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 07:19:19 PM PST

  •  I will now start watching CNN again (4.00)
    to reward this rare kind of responsible behavior. Seriously. Let Klein know we consumers appreciate this action, in any way we can.

    "Politics is at its best when we create and inspire a sense of community." - Howard Dean

    by galiel on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 07:28:58 PM PST

  •  Jon Stewart's camp (4.00)
    Does that mean he thinks that Crossfire isn't informative or that Tucker Carlson is a dick?
  •  Crossfire (none)
    was my favorite show. I enjoyed the silly banter. I think CNN are a bunch of cowards.They probably think Crossfire is too liberal. That BS about what Jon Stewart said is just BS. Do you know how many people would love to take Tucker Carlson's place. Tons!

    If they want their ratings to improve they should actually trying being a progressive news source.

    I think it is sad. Now who are we going to "hate" next! I always enjoyed seeing the views come right from the horse's mouth, so to speak.

    I have seen Carlson on PBS and he is much more thoughtful and astute than on Crossfire.

    I wonder why he quit really!

    ...people will always vote for the sunshine, not for the darkness

    by missliberties on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 08:22:08 PM PST

    •  Cheer up, missy (none)
      There's always Faux news and falafel boy....
    •  "I wonder why he quit really!" (none)
      He didn't quite, his ass got fired. Quit trying to stir things up with silly, transparent comments

      Fly your flag Union Down on Jan. 20th

      by Goldfish on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 09:33:32 PM PST

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      •  Just a thought (none)
        this is why liberals get a bad name. They want everyone to think exactly the same and join PETA and now I guess you have to join the Hate Carlson bandwagon.

         Now what I read was that he quit in April. I just wondered if this was true and why. And I frankly find the show crossfire entertaining and apparently so does John Steward who said he watches it every single day.

        You and your group think won't let anyone have an opinion different than yours. I say bullshit on you! And f**k you too! What kind of discussion is it when you can't have a discussion. You believe in free speech unless it is an opinion that disagrees with yours. Wow that sounds progressive.

        Memo for PETA lovers. Have you noticed that in the animal kingdom that animals kill other animals for dinner?

        ...people will always vote for the sunshine, not for the darkness

        by missliberties on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 08:06:03 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  This is the problem with crossfire (none)
          Personal attacks.  ("You and your group think won't let anyone have an opinion different than yours.")

          Self righteous attacks on others.  ("I say bullshit on you! And f**k you too!")

          Falsely creating a straw man argument.  (Liberals "want everyone to think exactly the same and join PETA")

          Using the straw man to skip off on rhetorical tangents that have nothing to do with the topic at hand.  ("Memo for PETA lovers. Have you noticed that in the animal kingdom that animals kill other animals for dinner?")

          It may all add up to entertainment for you, but it is a sorry excuse for news or discourse, from where I sit.

          •  Personal Attacks???? (none)
            Huh? How is that again???? Excuse me???

            Oh, you mean like the way you have personally attacked me

            Go figure?

            Note to PETA members; have you noticed that in the animal world, animals eat other animals for dinner?

            by missliberties on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 04:04:32 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

        •  I fucking hate PETA (none)
          Your barking up the wrong tree if you think attacking them is going to get me or, I'm gussing, anyone else here riled up. Troll elsewhere.

          New Google-Bomb: treasonous bastard person
          Copy link and text to help.

          by Goldfish on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 10:15:44 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  Here you go (none)
            you can play with the little ratings toys some more.

            Is there a pirahana underneath that goldfish? Methinks there is.
            Hopefully you can go eat the flesh off a real live enemy instead of one of your own. Or do pirahana's eat their offspring?


            People vote for sunshine, not for gloom and doom!

            by missliberties on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 04:34:04 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

      •  She troll rated the above comment (none)
        Watch out people, the troll is also a ratings abuser.

        New Google-Bomb: treasonous bastard person
        Copy link and text to help.

        by Goldfish on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 04:24:44 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Whining again (none)
          I believe you, sir, were the first to play  the ratings  game when I refused to join the "I Hate Carlson Club"

           You Sir Fish are the first person on this site that has told me to fuck off, and the first person to give me a trollish rating.

          I am done with you Sir Fish

          People vote for sunshine, not for gloom and doom!

          by missliberties on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 04:50:49 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  Please, spare me (none)
            And don't call me Sir Fish, I haven't been knighted so far as I know. I didn't tell you to
            "fuck off." And I gave you a "trollish rating" because you were trolling. Each of your comments on this tree has been trollish in nature.

            So please * missliberties* save me you're faux indignation. You're comments about PETA are just bizarre and suggest to me you are a freeper who's so clueless about what liberals believe, you think you can stir things up by going after them. Well, sorry to burst you're bubble, not all and indeed not most liberals give a damn about PETA.

            You've been trying to stir things up from your first comment on this thread, but you're not very good at it. You're insults are cheap and lame, and will get you banned very fast if you keep them up. Don't bother me anymore, and if I see you pulling this kind of crap elsewhere, I'll let people know what you're about.

            New Google-Bomb: treasonous bastard person
            Copy link and text to help.

            by Goldfish on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 05:41:39 PM PST

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    •  He was 'let go.' (none)
      He claimed to have a 'sure thing' job with MSNBC and an exec over there denied it, said they were considering it. Quite humiliating for poor Tucker but his daddy has taken care of his future so I won't waste any sympathy on him.
      •  Who's his daddy? (none)

        "You don't lead by pointing and telling people some place to go. You lead by going to that place and making a case." - Ken Kesey

        by Glinda on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 04:06:59 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Never mind! I found it above ... (none)
          It's so nice to see that Tucker is a self-made man. I so love the guys who make it to the top from humble beginnings. Much to admire!

          "You don't lead by pointing and telling people some place to go. You lead by going to that place and making a case." - Ken Kesey

          by Glinda on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 04:22:04 AM PST

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  •  Check out MyDd Book Club--very informative (none)
    Todays MyDd Book Club topic is really very informative on Conservatives and the media.  I will try to buy the book.

    The Republican Noise Machine is a detailed description of the gargantuan machinery conservatives have created over the past thirty years in their successful attempt to dominate the American media landscape. This was an enormous effort that first arose out of Nixon's political campaign in 1968, and before that out of Nixon's hatred of the media who he believed was always out to get him. In fact, Borck calls the rise of the Republican Noise Machine "Nixon's revenge," and devotes considerable time in the early parts of the book describing Nixon's important role in this movement:

    Though politicians of both parties are frequently unhappy with media coverage, Nixon was in a category all by himself. After growing up lower-middle class-in a small town in Orange County, California, attending Whittier College and Duke University Law School, and then getting rejected for job by prominent law firms in the Northeast, Nixon nursed status resentments to what he considered to be East Coast elites. Primary among those elites Nixon resented were journalists. His former aide William Safire wrote in his White House memoir Before the fall:
    Nixon, who always knew he had a deep and dark rage within him, mastered his temper in about every other area, but kept "flicking off the scab," in his skin crawling metaphor, when it came to the quintessential "them," the press. He had contempt for them, as elitist, antidemocratic, lordly, arrogant lookers-down-their-noses at the elected representatives of the folks, and he did everything he could get away with the destroy them--becoming, along the way, elitist, lordly, and dangerously arrogant.

    Throughout his public life, Nixon believed in his bones that the press was out to avbenge his promotion of charges that New Dealer Alger Hiss was a Communist agent and to avenge his slanderous Red-baiting campaign for the California Senate seat against liberal Democrat Helen Graham Douglas in 1950... As his political troubles mounted in the White House, Nixon became further obsessed with subduing and controlling the "media," a word that the White House insisted on using to describe the press "because [it] had a manipulative, Madison Avenue, all-encompassing connotation, and the pres hated it," Safiie reported. Documents

    find your local dem group link:

    by timber on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 08:30:14 PM PST

  •  Gone from CNN, but maybe not from cable news. (none)
    From TVNewser

    December 19, 2004 - Only on TVNewser: MSNBC is close to signing a deal with CNN's Tucker Carlson, paving the way for the conservative Crossfire co-host to fill the 9:00pm primetime position soon to be vacated by Deborah Norville.

    I have to admit that as GoOPer punditry goes (and I can't believe I am admitting this in public) Tucker doesn't get on my nerves as much as oh, say... Sean Hannity.  That doesn't set the bar too high, eh?  

    "Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned." - H.H. The 14th Dalai Lama

    by Mariposa on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 08:50:29 PM PST

    •  FAIR (none)
      FAIR has an action alert about the Carslon/MSNBC move.

      "The pattern in cable news is to imitate Fox," said FAIR's Peter Hart. "But MSNBC is going beyond that-- it wants to outfox Fox by surpassing Fox's partisanship. Viewers deserve diverse opinions from the media, not an uninterrupted stream of right-wing spin."

      FOX: I'm right.
      MSNBC: NO. I'm right.
      FOX: You're not as right as I am.
      MSNBC: I will be soon!
      FOX: Ha! I think we'll hire Robert Novak just to piss you off.
      MSNBC: Ya, you go right ahead and hire the Douchebag of Liberty. Carslon wears a bowtie!
      FOX: You suck!
      MSNBC: NO. YOU suck!


    •  I dunno about that one (none)
      The story quoted an MSNBC source saying it wasn't exactly a done deal.
    •  Why in God's (none)
      name would you watch Sean Hannity?

      I have seen Tuckers show on PBS. And  he is much calmer and more reasonable on that show. Oie Vei! At least he has some class and some intelligence.

      He has PO'd me on Crossfire, but that is what he was paid to do.

      ...people will always vote for the sunshine, not for the darkness

      by missliberties on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 08:11:57 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Why I watch Sean Hannity (none)
        He's a complete tool, no doubt about it and I can only watch him (or listen to him on radio) for so long.  I'm the type of person that doesn't just go by what other people tell me.  I investigate it and make my own decisions.  

        This is a major squick of mine.  Example: Some Rethugs criticizing F911 and Michael Moore and then later admitting they hadn't bothered to see it.  Makes my teeth itch.

        I watch all of these shows with a critical eye.  

        "Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned." - H.H. The 14th Dalai Lama

        by Mariposa on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 02:30:41 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  My take on this move is slightly diiferent (none)
    As much as I would love to see less of Bowtie boy and Treasonman, I think that James Carville and Paul Begala are easily the two sharpest and most persuasive progressive pundits on any of the cable news channels. I think cancelling Crossfire could just be a ploy to remove the liberals from the air while still providing Novak major airtime on his umpteen other CNN shows. Jacuzzi Carlson will get setup with his own MSNBC show on top of his PBS show. But will Carville and Begala get a show of their own? I'm not holding my breath on that one.
    •  agree (none)
      I like Carville and Begala. Maybe they cancelled the show because those two consistently made the Republicans look stupid - not a hard job, in some cases. Maybe Carville and Begala will go back to work for the Dems?

      As for Novak, my new years' resolution is to use the phrase "scum-sucking" more often. He may screw that up if he disappears.

    •  Amen (none)
      Kossacks been down on Begala and Carville, apparently because they weren't into Dean.

      They are tremendous talents, and are two of the very few dems who could reduce Hannity to ribbons.

      I cannot believe how we were fooled into turning against our most powerful television personalities.

      People here kept screaming they hated Crossfire because of Tucker Carlson - who wouldn't hurt a fly.

      This is not about Carlson's demise.

      This is nothing to be celebrated.

      •  So agree (none)
        Nothing to be celebrated. Paul Bagala is my favorite.

        I have learned more REAL news in the first few minutes of Crossfire, that just is not covered anywhere else.

        I think it is sad.


        ...people will always vote for the sunshine, not for the darkness

        by missliberties on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 08:15:05 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  I liked Tucker (4.00)
    because he was dumb and easy to punch around.

    I don't know why you're celebrating that there's nothing left except the Capital Gang, which makes fully retarded democrats the spitoons of semi retarded, flatulent republicans.

    This will leave only 2 bright dems on all of cable television.  Jon Stewart and Keith Ohbermann.

    •  god bless me (none)
      I am tired of knee jerk reactionary liberals who just want to attack people cause they don't think like they do.

      I don't know why these people are celebrating either.

      ...people will always vote for the sunshine, not for the darkness

      by missliberties on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 08:17:45 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Does this mean... (none)
    that he thinks Carlson is a dick, too?
  •  Someone had to do it! (4.00)

    It's Tuckers PlayHouse!

    He who lives in the present, has no knowledge of the past nor vision for the future.

    by DeanDemocrat on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 10:11:31 PM PST

    •  Love That Hair (none)
      It looks like two old Beatle wigs (I'm dating myself with that) sewn together poorly and dyed with chocolate pudding.

      It's been obvious for years he's trying to look like a Generation X George Will.  Even the college he failed to graduate from is GFW's alma mater - Trinity College, Hartford, CT.

      "L'enfer, c'est les autres." - Jean Paul Sartre, Huis Clos

      by JJB on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 05:22:38 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  I went to Tucker's prep school (4.00)
        On scholarship, I hasten to add - a poor kid from NYC amongst all the LL Bean- and Talbots-wearing rich brats.  It was a shitty experience.

        Tucker was there a few years after I graduated, so I don't know him personally, but I assure you that he's typical of the prepster guys at the school: WASPy (even when they weren't WASPs), fluffy hair, genial, a little goofy, bright but uninterested in intellectual pursuits, complacently privileged with no sense of the world outside the protected little enclave of the wealthy and well-connected.

        Many of them occupied themselves frying their brains on expensive drugs because life inside that enclave was just too dull.

        I'd like to see a reality show in which several of these prepsters are forced to live in a project in the South Bronx for a few months.

        BTW, Trinity was the backup college for those who couldn't get into Yale, Harvard, Princeton, or Brown.  It was considered a "party school" along with UVM.  It's significant that Tucker couldn't manage to graduate.

        We can't stop here! This is bat country!

        by hrh on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 07:53:07 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  That's Fascinating (none)
          I'd be interested in knowing which school it was, but if you'd rather not say, that's fine.  I had the feeling that Trinity was a place that got a lot of rejects from the Ivys, and places like Tufts, Colgate, Williams, etc.  I was not aware it had any kind of reputation for hedonism.  As you say, TC's inability to get a degree is telling.  What really offends me about him is that he seems so intellectually lazy.  I would guess he's reasonably bright, but he doesn't stay informed enough to speak or write intelligently about political matters, and even if he did keep up to date with things, he seems too unfocused to give them the thought that might enable him to spout something other than conventional wisdom.  George Will is now a useless gasbag and has been for a long time, but at least at the start of his career as a pundit he was a serious thinker who could come up with genuninely insightful opinion pieces whose conclusions often surprised you.  Thus, when everyone was crowing about how "our system works!" after Nixon resigned, Will stated that in fact Mad Dick's resignation was the result of work done by an extra-Constitutional actor, the Special Prosecutor, and that if he hadn't tape recorded himself in the commission of felonious acts, he'd probably have managed to stay in office.  I can't imagine Tucker Carlson sitting still long enough to be able to perform the cogitative process that would result in such an opinion.

          "L'enfer, c'est les autres." - Jean Paul Sartre, Huis Clos

          by JJB on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 12:42:41 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  schools (none)
            The school was St George's, in Newport, RI.  To be fair, it did have a few good aspects - it was academically rigorous (I worked harder there than I did at Bryn Mawr, which is not exactly a "party school") and it was located right on the ocean.

            For the record, I don't mean to diss Trinity - from all reports, it's a good school.  It just happened to be a very common backup for St George's grads.  I think the placement guy had a big "in" there.

            Regarding Tucker, I've heard from those who have met him that he's a pleasant guy and not the jerk that he plays on TV.  Even on TV he isn't as much of an obnoxious asshole as the other rightwingers.  I always had the feeling that he was a media creation - someone said "we need a younger, smiley, photogenic rightwinger to balance out all the horrible turdfaced creeps who look and talk like henchmen of Jabba the Hutt."

            We can't stop here! This is bat country!

            by hrh on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 09:10:19 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

  •  Grow up and treat politics... (none)
    as an issue? Don't hold your breath. Do you really expect CNN to drop its biased programming, because it is canceling Crossfire? It was one show, at least, in which "liberals" sometimes had the upper hand, not that I watch CNN, except for the Tsunami coverage recently.
  •  CNN- New Hope for Substantive News (4.00)
    What CNN should do is make a deal with the BBC and use some of the BBC World Newscasts,shows and documentaries to  broadcast on CNN. Although BBC America does broadcast some of the BBC's output; it isnt enough and doesnt reach even a small percentage of CNN's cable audience which is miniscule when compared to the US major networks.

    One of the reasons US news has been dumbed down and US citizens are so myopic when it comes to the world and even their own country is that the major news organizations closed down their foreign bureaus when their parent companies decided that there was tremendous profits in their news divisions if they cut costs and made the programs as shallow as possible. The major US networks coverage of news from Africa is done out of their London bureaus.

    CNN has been dumbed down due in part to the success of Fox's 'PT Barnum psycho therapy circus' of a newscast. Maybe CNN is ready to counterprogram and the quickest way to do this is to incorporate the BBC into their newscasts until they get up to speed within their own organization.

    The BBC is not the 'be all and end all' of newscasts but compared to the US broadcasters; it is.  

    •  I'd Be Happy (4.00)
      If The CNN that appears in the US would just show CNN International, a much different entity that is far superior to it's US parent, and can actually be compared favorably to the BBC.  I used to be able to get it on weekends when CNN FN (financial news) had nothing to report.  However, CNN FN is now history, so CNN Int. is no longer available via that route.

      "L'enfer, c'est les autres." - Jean Paul Sartre, Huis Clos

      by JJB on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 05:25:51 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Respecfully Object... (none) the death of crossfire.   Yeah, they yelled.  Yeah, they were rude sometime.  But you knew where they stood, even if it the "positioning" sometimes seemed phoney.

    I mean, compared to the other chicken noodle news programs and other cable light hard news, crossfire generally focused on an issue for the whole show...

    and you could at least get a little of the rajun cajun.  

    I say, save crossfire, fire the rest of cnn (yeah, maybe except aaron and inside politics)...and somebody, please put wolf blitzer out of his misery.

  •  Carlson doesn't bother me (none)
    nearly as much as Lush, O'Leilly and Coulter.
  •  CNN MUST DIE (none)
    I'm sure Ted Turner had some good ideas when he created the 24/7 news environment. I'm also sure he didn't think through or foresee the developments that have made 24/7 the problem, not the solution.

    Watching Bush give another smarmy campaign address tarted up to look like a serious presentation yesterday in Illinois, I wondered what ws the motivation for broadcasting it in its entirety. CNN ain't CSPAN. The thing is, the after effects of the Tsunami are too painful to keep harping on all day, so they need something to fill the time.

    As long as 24/7 broadcasting means refucing to discriminate about what should and should not be broadcast, these networks do a disservice to all of society.

    The broadcast media has a responsibility to help us seek cures to society's ills. All they do right now, however, is keep reminding us of the pain, not the cure.

    "...there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so." Hamlet, Act II, Scene ii.

    by thingamabob on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 06:56:00 AM PST

  •  What's this? (none)
    CNN's new CEO knows that "CNN" stands for "Cable News Network"? He knows that Tucker Carlson and the rest of the "Crossfire" shit-throwing mob are just media whores?

    It's a start. Now if only FOX would get rid of Brit Hume, Bill O'Reilly, Neil Cavuto, ... oh, never mind.

  •  Cancelling Crossfire isn't the point (none)
    When I used to watch Crossfire in the early '90s, it was somewhat informative.  A debate show doesn't have to be a mud-wrestling show.  CNN needs to start being informative again.  If they don't do that, it won't matter which POS show they cancel and replace with another POS show.
    •  This is a great point (none)
      and the pollyanna in me really hopes that Klein takes that information to heart.  I think CNN needs to go toward being a true "news" source in the old-school meaning of the term and leave the shit-tossing to Fox.  Then we frame CNN as the "thinking" person's network and Fox as the WWF of news.  

      Yeah, I know.  Pollyanna.

      "Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned." - H.H. The 14th Dalai Lama

      by Mariposa on Thu Jan 06, 2005 at 02:43:28 PM PST

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