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Here is something I found on fark.com yesterday and saved then posted after it was taken down (I presume). It is the verbal and pictoral account of complete disgust of a self-proclaimed republican, who supported the Iraq war, because of what seemed to him like military recruitment inside of a church. The pictures are truly shocking. And the fact that it is a republican that is saying it makes it all the more powerful. I have it, again, here on my blog...and in the same post I have 14 screen shots (yes, I was so appalled by it that after I noticed it went down on fark.com I took screen shots just in case people didn't believe me when I posted it). His verbal account does a great job of making the pictures come to life. By his own account, they are something straight out of the third reich...and "fascist". Please check it out and let me know what you think. peace, liminal

Originally posted to liminal on Thu Feb 10, 2005 at 06:36 AM PST.

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Is this fascist or something that is similar to what came out of the Third Reich as the poster indicates?

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  •  I don't have a problem with this (4.00)
    I'd rather them recruit in places that supported Herr Bush than be in high schools disrupting the learning process.

    I think they should stand outside Abercrombie and Fitch and troll for some of those rich little soccer mamas boys as well.

    With a big ol' lie And a flag and a pie And a mom and a bible Most folks are just liable To buy any line Any place, any time ~ FZ

    by f furney on Thu Feb 10, 2005 at 06:51:46 AM PST

    •  Agreed. (none)
      The fundy megachurches that were largely responsible for foisting Bush Redux on us might as well supply the bodies for his wars.

      As for the corruption of the Christian message, all fundy churches corrupt the message of tolerance, peace, and turning the other cheek.

      The less a man knows about how sausages and laws are made, the easier it is to steal his vote and give him botulism.

      by SensibleShoes on Thu Feb 10, 2005 at 06:59:15 AM PST

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    •  re: (4.00)
      "I don't have a problem with this"

      If you don't have a problem with this you are missing the point.

      This wasn't some church function. It was a military recruitment effort disguised as some sort of celebration/ceremony. Have you ever seen the old black and white films of SS recruiting from Nazi Germany? (The History Channel plays them sometimes)  They look a lot like the pictorial in the link. This bothers me.

    •  I actually have quite a problem with it. (4.00)
      Here's why

      We are discreet sheep; we wait to see how the drove is going, and then go with the drove. -Mark Twain [Samuel Langhornne Clemens] (1835-1910)

      by Troutfishing on Thu Feb 10, 2005 at 08:51:18 AM PST

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  •  Muthafucka! (none)
    I worked all night, and now this diary has ruined my chances to sleep.

    Seriously, this would be disturbing to me under any circumstances, but in a church...

    Then again, why am I surprised?

    I also visited the site noted on the banner in the last photo

    They should go back to serving wild game, but it's probably too late.

    Thanks for the diary. Good job.

    "...psychopaths have little difficulty infiltrating the domains of...politics, law enforcement, (and) government." Dr. Robert Hare

    by RubDMC on Thu Feb 10, 2005 at 06:52:18 AM PST

    •  I'm finally able to respond to everybody. (none)
      Sorry it took me so long. I've had some rough times as of late. I just checked out some of the comments on my blog, finished up a couple important things, and now I'd like to see what's up here! Hey, no problem. I put up a low-bandwidth version of the original post. Here is the it is! Enjoy if you can really "enjoy" something as scary as this... Peace OUT, Liminal
  •  These folks (none)
    have no limits as to what they will do. The really sad part is that so many would see nothing wrong with this picture.

    "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." Thomas Jefferson

    by llih on Thu Feb 10, 2005 at 07:17:29 AM PST

    •  What about THIS picture ? (none)

      We are discreet sheep; we wait to see how the drove is going, and then go with the drove. -Mark Twain [Samuel Langhornne Clemens] (1835-1910)

      by Troutfishing on Thu Feb 10, 2005 at 09:01:53 AM PST

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    •  Absolutely right... (none)
      Yea, I've totally thought about that in the last few days. Some would think it is just fine doing something like this and that there is nothing wrong with it. And then, they would question your democratic values because you wouldn't allow something like this to happen. This line of argument has many holes...and it can be ripped to shreds in minutes. l.
  •  I must be in bizarro world (none)
    That sure doesn't look like separation of church and state to me.

    If they want to honor the servicemen and have them speak in the church, I am OK with that.

    The part that really bugs me is the recruitment drive, that's just wrong. Is it clear from the pictures that it took place in the church?

  •  it's disgusting (none)
    especially having the flag cover the cross.  What's the commandment about other Gods? Don't worship or idolize them?  
  •  That church is in Lexington, KY (none)
    and Lexington, KY is a very controlling city.  It is a beautiful city, but the people here are zombies.  

    And, more and more Kentucky is becoming the drawing card for conservatives.  The Ku Klux Klan's capital is in Kentucky.  There is a new college in Kentucky called something like the Ronald Reagan Leadership College, and I would bet it is federally taxpayer funded.

    I would almost call Kentucky the forward capital for the southern conservative movement, if I wanted to provoke some blue/gray sentiments.  There is an ugly, conservative movement growing here.

    Politics is not about ...predictions. Politics is what we create by what we do, what we hope for, and what we dare to imagine. Paul Wellstone

    by bronte17 on Thu Feb 10, 2005 at 07:38:22 AM PST

  •  Wow (none)
    I mean really.....wow its all I can say.

    My favorite quote from the commentary

        "Jesus himself only got mad once. It was because merchants were using the church to sell their wares, he flipped their tables, seized a whip, and attacked them. This day the answer to "what would Jesus do?" is grab one of the m-16s laying around and start kneecapping."

  •  All churches. (none)
    We need recruiters outside the door of all churches on Sunday mornings. Lets sign up all the little fundies. Lets make sure those fundies know that their kid's bodies can go to Iraq also.

    Signature Impaired.

    by gttim on Thu Feb 10, 2005 at 08:05:48 AM PST

    •  Guess what ? (none)
      There are a lot of fundamentalists fighting in Iraq already.  

      We are discreet sheep; we wait to see how the drove is going, and then go with the drove. -Mark Twain [Samuel Langhornne Clemens] (1835-1910)

      by Troutfishing on Thu Feb 10, 2005 at 09:03:07 AM PST

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      •  And, they are... (none)
        On both sides of the conflict. Here's one side :

        by Agence France Presse, Yahoo! News
        November 6th, 2004NEAR FALLUJAH, Iraq (AFP) - With US forces massing outside Fallujah, 35 marines swayed to Christian rock music and asked Jesus Christ to protect them in what could be the biggest battle since American troops invaded Iraq last year.

        Men with buzzcuts and clad in their camouflage waved their hands in the air, M-16 assault rifles laying beside them, and chanted heavy metal-flavoured lyrics in praise of Christ late Friday in a yellow-brick chapel.....

        "You are the sovereign. You're name is holy. You are the pure spotless lamb," a female voice cried out on the loudspeakers as the marines clapped their hands and closed their eyes, reflecting on what lay ahead for them.....

        Between the service's electric guitar religious tunes, marines stepped up on the chapel's small stage and recited a verse of scripture, meant to fortify them for war.

        One spoke of their Old Testament hero, a shepherd who would become Israel's king, battling the Philistines some 3,000 years ago.

        "Thus David prevailed over the Philistines," the marine said, reading from scripture, and the marines shouted back "Hoorah, King David," using their signature grunt of approval.

        The marines drew parallels from the verse with their present situation, where they perceive themselves as warriors fighting barbaric men opposed to all that is good in the world.

        "Victory belongs to the Lord," another young marine read.......

        The marines then lined up and their chaplain blessed them with holy oil to protect them.

        "God's people would be annointed with oil," the chaplain said, as he lightly dabbed oil on the marines' foreheads.

        The crowd then followed him outside their small auditorium for a baptism of about a half-dozen marines who had just found Christ.

        We are discreet sheep; we wait to see how the drove is going, and then go with the drove. -Mark Twain [Samuel Langhornne Clemens] (1835-1910)

        by Troutfishing on Thu Feb 10, 2005 at 09:09:03 AM PST

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    •  Not sure (none)
      what I like least about this comment:  the way that it trivializes the disturbing crypto-fascism of the pictures, or the way that it dehumanizes people who are so misguidely blinded ideologically.

      We need to break down fundamentalism, and the way to do that is certainly not to reinforce hatred on our side.

      Osama bin Laden's best recruiting tool is the radicalization of his enemy.  This will ensure that that enemy will strike back at him with force, thereby justifying his actions and furthering his recruiting drive.

      Liberals need to provide red-staters with an alternative to hatred, not with a contemptuous hatred that will only inflame their passions, and that isn't worthy of us in the first place.

      I want to see less bodies, on all sides.  Not more.  "Fundie" or otherwise.

      Nothing requires a greater effort of thought than arguments to justify the rule of nonthought. -- Milan Kundera

      by Dale on Thu Feb 10, 2005 at 12:23:19 PM PST

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      •  Until the war touches them... (none)
        It will continue. The Vietnam war did not stop because people thought it was wrong. It stopped because people knew that their kids could die also.

        Signature Impaired.

        by gttim on Thu Feb 10, 2005 at 01:01:15 PM PST

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      •  No middle ground any longer... (none)
        Liberals need to provide red-staters with an alternative to hatred, not with a contemptuous hatred that will only inflame their passions, and that isn't worthy of us in the first place.  It may not be worthy of us and it isn't my normal method of dealing with people, but, these are not normal times.  The sooner Democrats realize this, the faster we can begin to repair our nation and have a separation of powers.  

        Have you read Delaware Dem today?  Or, Chris Bowers today?  Also, MyDD posted info on cultural narrative and I have focused somewhat on dissonance theory.  So, we are working on it.  But, you know what, they are already way out ahead of us, as noted in this diary with the recruitment of military in our churches.  The indoctrination and economic utility of those mega churches began years ago and is now being legislated from our statehouses and the United States Congress itself.

        Chris states from U of Michigan study that "Whatever the reasons, the middle is dead. "  So, there is no middle ground anymore.

        If you think there is no reason to be worried, look at this.

        Politics is not about ...predictions. Politics is what we create by what we do, what we hope for, and what we dare to imagine. Paul Wellstone

        by bronte17 on Thu Feb 10, 2005 at 07:40:36 PM PST

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        •  No, I am definitely worried, (none)
          extremely worried, and that's why I made the comments that I did.  Fascism can only emerge in the US if people are too frightened to see any other alternative.  

          I look forward to reading your ideas on dissonance theory, but I'm less inclined to agree that it's time to throw in the towel, throw up the barricades, and hunker down in anticipation of the encroaching "Red" Army.  

          Keep in mind that a majority of Americans support Democrat policy ideas and values, even as they vote for Republicans.  What does that tell you?  People vote Repug in the absence of a credible alternative, not because they're frothing fascists.  I agree that we need to be very worried, much more than ever before.  But to abandon the "war of ideas" can only accelerate the encroachment of fascist tendencies, at least in my view.

          Nothing requires a greater effort of thought than arguments to justify the rule of nonthought. -- Milan Kundera

          by Dale on Fri Feb 11, 2005 at 10:15:42 AM PST

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          •  Reform means there IS another alternative (none)
            "But to abandon the "war of ideas" can only accelerate the encroachment of fascist tendencies, at least in my view."

            Reform.  Howard Dean at the DNC is engaging in the "war of ideas."  Kerry and Hillary are putting out legislation in this war of ideas.  It may take time, but I see reform as a "war of ideas with a backbone." Not hate.  Positive redirection of our energies, with an improved bullhorn to get it out.

            Wellstone said, "You have to start a fight to win a fight."  Well, Democrats hadn't really wanted to engage in a "fight" of ideas -- now we do.

            Politics is not about ...predictions. Politics is what we create by what we do, what we hope for, and what we dare to imagine. Paul Wellstone

            by bronte17 on Fri Feb 11, 2005 at 11:51:28 AM PST

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    •  I've been hearing this line of argument these past (none)
      couple days...I don't agree with it. I mean...it won't help the cause of changing for the better. Thanks for bringing it up though! LIM
  •  I do have a problem with this (none)
    As much as some people make flip comments about recruiting fundies.  I have a problem with false advertising, for mixing religion with war, and the separation of church and state.  This bothers me in so many ways and on so many levels that I am not sure I can properly articulate the crawly sensation I am getting down my spine.

    There are bagels in the fridge

    by Sychotic1 on Thu Feb 10, 2005 at 09:02:01 AM PST

    •  I literally couldn't sleep... (none)
      ...for a couple days. It was really freaking me out. I hope people spread this around enough. I can't really spend much more time doing it myself. The church-state merger is happening more and more. And it's very frightening. We must take this information and these images very seriously. Crawly spines indeed, lim.
  •  liminal - this is very, very important. (none)
    Thanks.

    We are discreet sheep; we wait to see how the drove is going, and then go with the drove. -Mark Twain [Samuel Langhornne Clemens] (1835-1910)

    by Troutfishing on Thu Feb 10, 2005 at 09:10:17 AM PST

  •  I've blogged on it too (none)
    over at Nothing New - "Tash! Tash! Inexorable Tash!" My slant being slightly different.

    As a second gen brat, whose parents were considered weird by the then-very-secular lifer community for converting to a conservative and rigorous Catholicism, the infiltration of the formerly-secular military by what were then known as "holy rollers" is very strange to me. It's really like something out of Invasion of the Bodysnatchers.

    "Don't be a janitor on the Death Star!" - Grey Lady Bast (change @ for AT to email)

    by bellatrys on Sat Feb 12, 2005 at 06:16:09 PM PST

    •  COOL (none)
      I can't wait to read your post about it! ;)
      •  I first learned the phrase *snake-oil salesmen* (none)
        as applied to preachers and TV peddlers of God, right about the time that the military was getting worried they'd have to fight Nixon in a civil war, that he'd try for a coup, because after all it says "defend the constitution" not "serve the President" and "against all enemies foreign and domestic" which includes the president if he tries to tear up the constitution.

        How times have changed...

        "Don't be a janitor on the Death Star!" - Grey Lady Bast (change @ for AT to email)

        by bellatrys on Sun Feb 13, 2005 at 05:41:27 AM PST

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  •  Porter Memorial in Iraq (none)
    Porter Memorial has also been involved with missionary work in Iraq.
  •  For the current "This Week in Fascism" (none)
         I used this diary in my most recent "This Week in Fascism" Please come take a look and le t me know what you think. Please keep in mind that more then likely I recommended your diary. Hint! Hint!

         Liminal gave us a disturbing Pictorial Account of Military Recruitment at Kentucky Church. The Men's Night Out at a Large Kentucky Church became on big “praise the Troop/Country rally. This was originally posted by a young conservative at fark.com but that link is no longer valid. Liminal had the forsight to reprodive the entire post at his blog. I disagree with the assertion that this is a Church and State separation issue since a church has every right to do this. But this is a sign of growing nationalism. I personally believe that a Church is the wrong place to say the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag since everyone should, at least in that setting, understand they have a greater allegance. If my Church did this I would remove my membership the very next day. But in all honesty my Church has no buildings and its membership roll in not kept on Earth.

    "It's about the accountability, stupid." Thomas Davis 2005

    by Tomtech on Sun Feb 13, 2005 at 06:44:35 PM PST

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