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Lots of well-meaning Kos's are reluctant to explore the gay aspects of this story for fear that it unfairly targets people because of their sexuality and distracts from the "real" issues.

My hope here is to help narrow the discussion along lines of probability as narrowed by an experienced perspective

As a seasoned gay man of a certain age I'd like to examine some of the facts that have been unearthed and to infer these facts' larger meaning from the perspective of a gay "insider".  And I can tell you, from the amount of hand-wringing over the horror of leftie bloggers making a big deal over poor Jeff's former, and, overlapping career, that they are terrified that the extent of Bush's intimate Gay network will be exposed.

Given their monstruous treatment of our nation's Gays, they deserve it.  Having ridden to electoral victory by unleashing the worst homophobic bigotry we've seen in decades, it is fit and just that this maelstrom of hate turns against them.  (I'm sure they know the Bible quote?:  "He who sows the wind, reaps the whirlwind"?.  In an earthier version I've heard the same principal expressed as "He who stirs the shit, gets to eat it"

But the Gay network may also provide substantial clues as to the Dirty Tricks department of Team Bush. I think it likely there is huge overlap.


That many Gay Republicans should prefer the closety games of the 1950s over the open Gay culture that arose out of the post Stonewall era should come as no surprise.  They are reactionaries after all.  In fact, I know Gay men of a certain age and income who routinely excoriate "the fags" while nonetheless indulging appetites and behaviours that would leave Margaret Sperling's head spinning.  But since the lights are out in their orgy rooms, good Republicans are happy to just overlook and pretend not to see.  It is the public avowal of affection that makes them crazy over the gay marriage issue.  To compare Gay marriage to a perversion, as right next to bestiality is on the face of it insane.  Gay people seeking to have stable monogamous relationships accepted into their families and their communities are, in key respects, far more conservative and traditional than the many gays in the republican party who scuttle around in the shadows, procuring illicit sex and using sites like

I have been with my partner  25 years this summer and I personally am sick and tired of being told that my only option is to have a lavender marriage with an understanding lesbian or a loveless marriage with an unsuspecting woman while trolling public toilets and internet chat rooms on the side.  You tell me which of these is the more honorable?


While it might seem thrilling to imagine that Gannon found a sponsor through his website the chances of that are actually next to nil.  Far more likely is that he met his sponsor in a more refined setting.  In New York there is a piano bar on the East Side that fancies itself a bit of a British gentlemen's club.  The place is filled with older men of means and younger men on the make.  Prostitution is never mentioned.  For a young gay to quote an hourly rate would be a fatal error.  In this refined atmosphere we're not talking about by the hour rent-boys but long-term investments: what I've always called mortgage boys.

The young men on the make are not teenagers.  They are reasonably well educated and well groomed; in their late 20s, 30s, even 40s and are all hoping to find an older gentlemen who might "mentor" them.

The reason why $$$ is never discussed is because the true value of the John's fantasy is that this isn't just tawdry or naughty but that there is some sort of relationship developing.  Somewhere along the line there'll be college "fees", medical bills, a car, a cruise, a fortnight in Aspen or the Hamptons. Or, of course, a job.  You get the picture.

Anyway, if this was the ruse under which Gannon scored his Sugar Daddy, the Daddy may never have known about the websites and the hooking.  Gannon might (as the phantasy required) have similarly fed him a long story.  Didn't Gannon once say he had been living off "savings" - That sounds like a perfectly good way to disguise an illicit cash flow and may well have been the perfect line to feed his sugar daddy.  It helped create the impression that Gannon really is one of the boys, one of the club.  Well bred, wants to write, has savings or a trust fund.  Sound political views. Bingo.  

If Gannon really was working the circuit I'm sure he sought to hide his side-line in the Flesh trade and that, in that scenario, his "mentor" may not have known.  My short hand reading says - possibly Eberle told Rove or McClellan that Gannon was cool and -wosh - he's in.   Everyone knows that these types of events have a front stage and a backstage - we should see if a Jeff Gannon or a JD Gurket is signed in anywhere else in the White House or the Eisenhower Building (Isn't that what the Old Executive Offices are now called? I haven't been to DC in decades)

Once it all seems doable and Gannon seems to be fitting in, OR because the Press Room needs this added layer of subterfuge, Talon News is born.


When NBC ran an item on Gannon the other evening they cut in a snip of stock footage of Bob Eberle talking about his political action group, GOPUSA.  While I know that Bob Eberle is married (who isn't wink-wink) I couldn't help but hear my gaydar ring a bit when I saw him.

Interestingly it has since been reported that Texas Republicans are distancing themselves from Eberle with almost universal declarations that no one knew him.  This, in itself, suggests they know something about the relationship between Eberle and Gannon and are running scared from it. (

There is a photo of born-again Bobby
on a recent GOPUSA posting - March 24, 2004 (

Bob Eberle writes:

"Thanks also goes out to Paul Dickerson, Charlie Weldon, and Terri Hillhouse of the GOPUSA team for their valuable insights".

This, largely overlooked, diary from FOYA ( noted that while the last two names are formerly affiliated with GOPUSA) that Dickerson was a mystery and so a long list of URLS referring to Dickerson where cited.  Some of them were interesting to me in ways that FOYA might not have gleaned.  

The list shows that Dickerson was a Bush Ranger in 2004, raising over 200k for the re-election campaign.  Two of them are largely gossip items placing Dickerson in the center of prominent Texas Republicans. One introduces Dickerson at a Houston fundraiser for Bush and notes how he brought a "client" with him - I quote:

(Sorry, I don't know how to box it so I'll set it off another way)


Paul Dickerson is an example. Only 33, Dickerson is a Houston lawyer and he is not well known. But he is highly valuable to the Bush campaign, one of 187 "Rangers" who have each raised at least $200,000. He is one of many fresh faces behind Mr. Bush's financial operation, which has minted scores of new fund-raisers and molded them into the most effective money machine in presidential campaign history.

At Bush's fund-raising visit to Houston on March 10, for example, Dickerson, brought Michael Ames, an investment banker he hopes to entice to do business with his law firm.

"I ask clients to come along, instead of bringing some sweet young thing," he said. "As a young associate, I want to make a partner." Ames, who gushed about the high-powered event at the Hilton Americas, said he wanted to work with Dickerson, who clearly scored points at the reception.

Dickerson told reporters that he can enhance his career by mixing colleagues and would-be clients with his campaign connections, even though he insisted, "that wasn't my motivation getting started." Ironically, Dickerson said he has yet to offer up his own money to the campaign, but his willingness to put in hundreds of hours and thousands of phone calls transformed him over the last year into a six-figure fund-raiser, one of the most valuable commodities in politics.


There's a lot of interest in that seemingly innocuous bit of filler.  The "only" 33 Dickerson is clearly unmarried as the only option to bringing a "client" he cites is "bringing some sweet young thing" (he doesn't say "my wife", does he?)

In fact, the whole thing sounds like a boilerplate closet-case cover and I suspect the reorter was tipping her hand by telling us that his "client", Michael Ames "gushed" - a long time euphemism for an effeminate man.  (Her use of the word "entice" to describe Dickerson's ambitions towards Ames is also telling)  (Actually these four paragraphs are telling in a lot of ways - but not for today)

AND WAIT - when we look at another one of the links so thoughtfully dug out by FOYA we find this - another social column - this time in the Houston Chronicle -

covering a huge White House Party for about 700 Texas loyalists.  Here we find Dickerson (of the old Bush family linked law office of Haynes and Boone) partnered, again,  with another man, one Rex Lamb.  A quick google search shows us that Rex is president of the Houston Young Republicans.  While it may only be a coincidence that their names are fused together, I suspect that Dickerson's companion would have been mentioned - had he had one other than Mr Lamb, and that the same would apply for Rex Lamb.  In short, columns of this type are usually very keen to get the pairings right and to not give offense by naming only one half of a couple.  On top of that, the etiquette of naming gay couples is usually discret enough so that it could be read as just happenstance.  It could, of course, just be happenstance but the very ambiguity of it is telling.

So, what can we infer from this?  Let's add one other factoid about Dickerson touched on in the item quoted above - He's a new face, someone who, like Bob Eberle himself appears to have played a much lower key role in the party prior to 2000.

My inference?  Well, I think we've touched on a Hot Potato issue, that, in fact, Gannon's indiscretion is running the risk of exposing the entire Velvet Mafia of Texas that rallied behind Bush's election strategy.  As a "new" member of the Bush team wouldn't it be logical to think that he'd been brought on board by campaign manager, Ken Mehlman?

So, in essence, far from having knowingly sponsored a rent boy, I think they've all been taken for a loop - winking eyes through short-hand conversations and just assumed that Gannon's bona fides were in order. As of today, the whole chain of command is  terrified that this thing might spin out of their control


What is interesting in tracing the origins of GOPUSA is that Bobby Eberle appears to equivocate about when his organization actually began.  Although he most often cites 9-11 as a key to the inspiration to go big time, other reports suggest that GOPUSA was, in fact, founded, in Texas, in 1999.  The lead here suggests a strong possibility that Rove needed a "front" group to act as a propaganda arm of the campaign and that the far better connected (though even more dubious financially)   Bruce Eberle agreed to help create GOPUSA for his (brother? Cousin? Nephew? - has anyone solved this yet?) Bobby to oversee, or front for.

Is the confusion because GOPUSA was actually created before Bob Eberle had anything much to do with it?  That he, too, had been brought on board?

That GOPUSA and TALON news were not just some simple little advocacy group seems highlighted by their role in the South Dakota campaign, of which we already know quite a lot and has been well-documented by SusanG and others.

In summary for today, my hypothesis is that under the able scrutiny of Karl Rove, members of Texas's closety gay underground were brought in to similarly create a dirty tricks arm of the campaign.   Most members of GOPUSA probably had no know idea that any of this was happening.  That was desirable.  The secret leveraged world of  gays and espionage neatly overlap.  Indeed, gays and networks of gays have long been a staple in the clandestine world for those very reasons.

While it is possible that Gannon's cover may have been deeper, that, indeed, the whole was itself a black op entrapment scam should not be discounted, I think it unlikely that they would have allowed Gannon to cross over.  On the contrary, I suspect that they are all flabberghasted and blaming Bobby for having ever brought Gannon in on the scheme.

My estimation is that a network of Texas Gays have been instrumental in Bush's rise to power and that a few of them just got very sloppy in a way that risks outing all of them.  That's the reason why there's been this whole attempt to frame the issue as being about Gannon's personal life - they know perfectly well it's their OWN personal lives that that they're trying to protect.


Blackmail is a subtle art and is often used by those nearest to us.  I'm not talking about "emotional" blackmail in the pop psychology sense but something more nuanced.  In a secretive culture, like the gay underworld - that I wish could finally disappear altogether - blackmail isn't as crass as open exhortion, the threats are often unspoken.  In fact, pressure can be applied in even apparently friendly ways as lovers, ex-lovers, or friends yield simply to accommodate and protect everyone.

  Three days ago I spoke with a contemporary of mine, who'd been a regular at CBGB's and places like the 9th Circle who had become a staunch Republican.  Although he lives in DC we met in one of the old 70s landmarks we'd each known 30 years ago as he was visiting New York for a few days.  (He was keen to tell me about the Constitution Ball he attended this year.) When I asked him just what all this was about, all these secret gays - the whole pack of them - he gave me one of those looks that says "Girl, this says it all" and said, in a whispered tone, "Karl Rove."

He refused to elaborate. As he was off-the-record I'll keep his name off the main dairy for the moment until I speak with him again.  I don't think he's near as well connected as he'd like to be but I take it - on face value - as a fair estimate of the gossip current in DC `s gay watering holes.

Given the astonishing number of alleged CLOSETED gays in key White House/RNC positions and  in their MEDIA outlets it really baffles me how they get away with the amount of malicious and damaging gay baiting they do.

On a closing note, I think that until we find where the money for all these shenanigans came from (and GANNON/TALON seems the first to possibly derive from laundered money or slush funds. - (IMPORTANT POINT!!!)  The others -Williams, Gallagher et alia - were all receiving merely misappropriated funds! LOL

My suggestion, if we're looking for slush funds, is go for  the off shore ENRON accounts?  Get every lunch receipt, every bus ticket, every memo  available to the public domain.  I'm sure you'll find BILLIONS of dollars were being siphoned off into secret slush fund accounts that are occasionally kicking back into TEAM BUSH operations.  This could well be one of them.

A good job would be to see what links any of these B-list characters from Texas have with Enron and might have been privy, even signatories, to those mysterious off shore accounts  - Bob Eberle, Paul Dickerson,  Ken Mehlman, Dan Gurlie, Jay Banning, Scott McClellan, Karl Rove, Rick Perry, George W might just lead somewhere.

REMEMBER In all likelihood the first few times Gannon was in the Press Room (which does have a separate entrance, doesn't it?) he was already in the White House.  Has anyone the know-how to access sign-in sheets at the Building's various entrances?  

I hope I haven't gone on too long.  I just felt that the amount of speculation about the gay side of the story was going too far from what the reality might truly be.  I merely wished to lend my own perspective on the speculation and attempt to focus it all in a more forensic manner.

I think the issues are important.  The gay angle is but one of several that need to be unearthed.

Believe me, at some point there will be considerable overlap and, possibly, immolation.

Thanks for taking the time to read my contribution and a quick thanks to Susan G and the other many excellent researchers here at Kos.  I hope my two cents adds something to the discussion.

Originally posted to padraig pearse on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 05:42 PM PST.

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  •  thank you (none)
    for taking the time to write this. It's well worth the read.
    •  Yes (none)
      This actually makes sense to me.  Thank you, Padraig, for this contribution.  I'm not sure who else around here would have the experience, the perspective and the skill to put it all together and lay it all out for us like this.

      What a strange world we live in.

      After The Rapture, we get all of their stuff.

      by bink on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 05:28:36 AM PST

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      •  Wow (none)
        Check out this article from The Guardian:

        "At high school in Utah, Rove was known as a nerd and a motor-mouth, unpopular but irrepressibly opinionated. While his peers were fixated on girls he became obsessed with school politics, campaigning for student positions in a precocious jacket and tie. Although his parents were apolitical, he was a vocal Nixon supporter from the age of nine."
        independent politics, independent music and two unemployed dudes.

        by whopundit on Sat Feb 26, 2005 at 06:12:20 PM PST

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    •  press still ignoring the basic question (none)
      who approved Gannon's press pass..

      It is not believable that the secret service couldn't do a google search on JD guckert and find he own's gay porn websites,
      owed taxes, etc..

      it is just no believable that the white house was not tipped off on his background..

      nor is it believable for someone who posts naked pictures of themselves on the internet to claim privacy invasions.

      •  Clearances, approvals and press passes (none)
        The question is, I think, a little deeper than just "who".  First, does Gannon already have a clearance?  I have no idea one way or the other, but given his military background, it's quite possible.

        If so, what was his level of clearance?  Confidential? Secret?  Top Scret?  Top Secret SCI with a compartmentalization level?  Contrary to popular belief, securing a Secret or Top Secret clearance isn't the arduous process you would imagine.  They check into your background: finances and criminal history.  A compartmentalized clearance or higher is the one that requires a lifestyle polygraph.  All clearances typically entail some kind of background check (interview of neighbors, colleagues, etc.) which vary in intensity by level of clearance applied for.

        IF he already had a military clearance that he had maintained, it could have seriously expedited the process of clearing him into the White House press room.

        So that begs the question: are press passes, both hard and day, expedited for a current clearance-holder?  Bear in mind also that different agencies have different clearing bureaucracies - a CIA clearance won't get you into the secured areas of the FBI and an FBI clearance doesn't transfer to NSA... blah blah.  White House clearances are similar - he may have already had one.

        I think the question that should be asked before "who" is "why won't you even explain the process"?

        The revolution is coming... and we ARE the revolution.

        by RenaRF on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 10:13:51 AM PST

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        •  Oops - and I forgot to mention (none)
          that having been a gay male prostitute or a drug abuser or an adulterer doesn't necessarily prevent you from getting even the higher level clearances.  The issue is, after all, if you have access to any kind of sensitive information, that you cannot be blackmailed into providing that information to an unauthorized person or persons.  Therefore, if you are up-front about your lifestyle (I'm gay but no one knows; I was a gay prostitute but I have stopped those activities; I am having three separate affairs; etc. and so forth) then presumably you can't be blackmailed as you are not hiding anything from the security authority.  In fact, you are more likely to come to them if you are approached to seek their help in continuing to keep your secret.

          NO ONE would have a clearance if these allowances weren't made.

          The revolution is coming... and we ARE the revolution.

          by RenaRF on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 10:18:16 AM PST

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      •  And the FBI in the Plame matter, (none)
        they must have known too.
    •  Here is Dickerson's law firm (none)

      Being a Bush pioneer apparently doesn't hurt from a board appointment perspective.

    •  there are knowledgeable people (none)

      People who can speak up and confirm the extent to which this all is the case.

      David Brock comes to mind.  I'm sure he hasn't lost complete track of the game.  Why not ask him to what extent and how Grover Norquist, Karl Rove, and The Texas Connection mesh?  He does hint in "Blinded By The Right" that a lot of the radical Right conspiracy against the public interest consists of closeted immoralist Fifties sorts- but so carefully and vaguely that you can't get a sense of whether that's a 10% phenomenon or an 85% phenomenon.  I'm not up on the politics or ethics of outing people in political life, but we probably deserve some better answers at this point.  Btw, Karen Hughes has always struck me as intensely butch.

      The more I go over the high and mid level Republican operative list- ubiquitous gaydar lightup Ralph Reed is who annoys me most- the more I wonder at the intense idiocy and lack of conscience of the Republican Party loyalist crowd to allow themselves to be led by this lot.

      Renewal, not mere Reform.

      by killjoy on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 12:22:26 PM PST

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  •  Bush's taped conversations (4.00)
    Check out the NYT's story about the taped conversations with Dubya and his early reluctance to bash gays. That would certainly fit with the premise of this diary.

    Thank you for posting this!

    •  maybe the mead tape, rather than intended (none)
      to divert the press and fundi's is intended
      to assure all the gay-repubs that bushco will not abandon them if they are outted and therefore they should not spill the beans on bushco
  •  Thank you (none)
    Excellent analysis and commentary!

    Proud member of SusanG's pirate crew, arr!

    by marisa on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 06:01:14 PM PST

  •  Extraordinary Diary. (4.00)
    As a gay man who was raised in Orange County, surrounded by repugnuts, this is so familiar. I know closet cases who worship Reagan, and still, to this day, insist Nixon was unfairly hounded from office.

    I think this diary really helps to widen the view of this shadow world that "Jeff Gannon" seemingly crosses over into. Clearly, there is more here than what we see on the surface. And a lot of the speculation I hear about where he fits in all this doesn't quite ring true.

    There are so many details in this wretched saga that have set my gaydar off (like my first glimpse of JimmyJeff).

    I remain in awe of the unbelievable amount of effort that has led to the results thus far, both by the Kossacks and other bloggers. Thanks for taking the time to record your ideas and experience. I think you have identified many worthwhile directions for more investigation.

    "It's so nice to be insane, noone asks you to explain."

    by homogenius on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 06:01:20 PM PST

    •  Nixon and closeted cases (4.00)
      For what it's worth (and should interest build) I'd be keen to write the whole history of the GOP (GAY OLD PARTY)

      There is strong evidence to suggest that Nixon himself had deep homosexual issues.....maybe next week....

      Thanks again

      •  And you should! (none)
        I think you should write a column about these "clubs" where the young and aspiring go to meet there mentors. Everything could take off from their.

        Gosh, its almost a movie script.

        "A little bit of inefficiency is called culture." - Me

        by dbratl on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 06:32:32 PM PST

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        •  Finding the Patron is Key (4.00)
          I was caught by this quote from your diary:
          Far more likely is that he met his sponsor in a more refined setting.
           Although I'm no expert on the gay scene, I've lived both in NYC and DC long enough to know that cultivating sexual relationships -- both heterosexual and homosexual -- is all part of the pandering and power-hungy manipulation that goes with both politics and big money capitalism.

          That's why I've been trying to frame this in terms of finding Guckert's Patron, because I think you are right that any gay relationship involved probably didn't stem directly from the escort sites, but that Guckert met someone sometime over the 2002 holiday season (between November 2002 and January 2003) who became the sponsor -- the Patron who greased the skids for Guckert's gig in the gaggle.  Currently there is incredible speculation as to whom this might be, but we need to be clear that -- so far -- we don't know.  

          But FINDING the Patron is the key.

          Fuzzy only works for pets.

          by NotFuzzy on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 11:03:50 AM PST

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          •  the question still floating out there (none)
            is how did Jim/Jeff get into the White House Christmas parties before "talon" was invented. Perhaps this is where the Patron comes in--who got him in?

            cub fan since 1960. I'm tired of losing, but still loyal! Same with the Dems.

            by RevDeb on Thu Feb 24, 2005 at 02:23:24 PM PST

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      •  For What it's worth (4.00)
        My mother attended a wedding, where Richard Nixon and Bebe Rebozo were present as well.

        Nixon was very drunk, and my mother believed that Nixon was a little bit "handsy" with Bebe.

        She is very gay positive. Her gaydar just went off with Nixon's behavior, even/or because he was under the influence at the time.

      •  amazing post, padraig (none)
        but aren't there some well-healed DEMS who will pay my "college fees"? Where's the NYC piano bar for that?
      •  It all makes sense for the first time (4.00)
        Your diary pulls together so many pieces; NOW the whole sordid tale begins to make sense.

        Excellent work. Highly recommend.

        **This deserves the front page, guys.**

        Theory is when we know everything and nothing works. Practice is when everything works and nobody knows why. (Einstein)

        by CodeTalker on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 07:34:29 PM PST

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        •  No wonder the Republicans (none)
          are ahead of the game. There is a "girl" in charge.

          This is utterly intriguing. Oh the irony!

          People vote for sunshine, not for gloom and doom!

          by missliberties on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 08:48:34 PM PST

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        •  totally frontpage for the (none)
          sunday paper.

          it explicates a social dynamics i never understood at all.  and thats aside from the fact that it could destroy this administration.

          "how can i find out what i wanna find out if he don't find out what i gotta find out" / chicolini

          by 2nd balcony on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 12:56:56 AM PST

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        •  "reactionary" (4.00)
          padraig makes a neat point with that.  We all wonder why any gay people would align themselves with the party that "mines homophobia" (as Maureen Dowd put it).  Answer:  they are reactionaries.  What I would see as liberating, humane change in the way homosexuality is viewed and treated is actually threatening to them.  
          •  'reactionary' is too dignified (none)
            they are actually weak snivelling people, plagued with that most dangerous combination of fear/envy/hate.  They cower in the closet because they lack the courage to be 'out' and they are simultaneously envious of and angered by the real men with the courage to be open.
      •  Please do! (none)
        That would be a fascinating read, and would help many of us develop some insight into the sexual politics and behaviors of those individuals.  I would look forward to your diaries!
      •  The other Williams - Pete Williams (4.00)
        He's an NBC reporter now but remember when he first began getting a lot of attention, as Cheney's spokesperson during the first Gulf War?  There were a lot of profile-type articles about him, including women he dated, blah blah blah.  It all got too much for some of the gay people who actually knew the man and he was outed for his hypocrisy as the spokesperson for an organization (the Pentagon) that dismisses people for simply being gay.

      •  Speaking as one who knows people on the yournger (4.00)
        side of the gay and Republican side who are looking for their "mentors" I can tell you that it would be an eye openner to many straight liberals to read about gay men of the conservative bent.
      •  And to think we all scoffed (4.00)
        When they said they were the "party of Lincoln."
      •  What is your evidence? (none)
        Years ago I briefly met Nixon (before he was President) and I suppose the deal is that people who are closeted, hide it well. Yet...I don't know...

        Do you have any data on why someone might think he was gay? I would like to read it.

    •  I'm not the 'tin hat' type, but be careful (4.00)
      After reading your diary, it reminded me pretty quickly who the last guy was that managed to have an investigation veer into the right wing closeted gay community.

      Jim Garrison.

      I'm not remotely suggesting anyone Garrison investigated was innocent or guilty of anything. I'm not going near that. However, they most certainly did destroy the reputation of Jim Garrison. These guys have been keeping secrets their whole lives. I imagine they've gotten pretty good at it. Be cautious.

      •  I was thinking the same thing... (4.00)
        New Orleans, Texas and the CIA, military industrial complex, KBR... hunt oil, who backed Nixon's return form political exile to run in 69.. the southern strategy....

        down that rabbit hole goes everything... ONI, kicking Saddam back into Iraq after the first failed Ba'athist coup attempt he led in 55...  installing the Shah in Iran, IBEX, IT&T, Rockwell... the fall of the Shah, the Iraq/Iran war back-burn... the escalation of Jihad and the mujahedeen via BCCI, Iran/Contra which again ties back to anti-communist proxy wars and the drug cartels...

        you could do laps and laps on how that can all tie and feeds back and grows.


        Mitch Gore

        Nobody will change America for you, you have to work to make it happen

        by Lestatdelc on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 01:26:53 AM PST

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      •  er, actually Jim Garrison wasn't destroyed.... (none)
        Important to remember that despite all the attempts to smear Garrison that he remained DA until 1973 and that he rose to become a judge on Louisiana Appeals Circuit Court until his death.
        •  Yeah, it was the JFK things that hurt him... (none)
          He lost re-election as DA to Connick (Harry Connick's father) not over the JFK situation but over corruption involving (I think) his office's investiagtion of illegal gambling.  His office appeared to have real corruption in it.  And Connick was to Garrison's left (Garrison had a long standing practice of conducting investigations by blackmailing closeted gay men, long before the JFK trial).

          If it had been a rightwing vendata against him, he would never have been elected an appeal

    •  Maybe you could explain Gaydar (none)
      I thought I had no gaydar until I met my wife.  She couldn't tell whether a man was gay based on anything.  Voice, mannerisms, interests...nothing buzzed her senses.

      I can detect mannerisms, sometimes the voice, a lot of times it is dress and interests.

      But if none of that does the trick, I won't know a man is gay until he tells me.

      So how to Gay men detect other Gay men, when I can't?

      The Oval Office: Because there are no corners, there is nowhere to make the President sit when he has shamed the nation.

      by BooMan23 on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 10:04:34 PM PST

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      •  Hard to explain really (none)
        but it is much easier to be pretty sure a guy is gay, than be sure a guy definately is not. In other words "gaydar", to the extent it works, tells you if someone is gay, not if they are not. There are always gay guys that seem totally straight, but I guess it can be mannerisms, interests, certain habits that are rare among straight guys (but not explicitly gay), and sometimes the way guys look at things they he talks about. Sometimes you can't say for sure, but sometimes it's just like "come on, who are you kidding.
        •  I think I am hampered by not really caring (none)
          If I ever spent one second of time trying to figure out if a stranger was gay or not, I'd probably be much better at it.

          The Oval Office: Because there are no corners, there is nowhere to make the President sit when he has shamed the nation.

          by BooMan23 on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 10:26:29 PM PST

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          •  well good point but you asked lol (none)
            but I think it is a waste of time if you really care about it, sometimes you can't help but notice.
            •  No, it was a good response (4.00)
              I just kind of threw up my hands.  I guess I expected to be told the secret.  

              For that matter, any guys understand what is going on in women's minds, let me know.

              The Oval Office: Because there are no corners, there is nowhere to make the President sit when he has shamed the nation.

              by BooMan23 on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 10:52:50 PM PST

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              •  Sorry, Boo. (4.00)
                It's part of our bylaws--you see, all gay men really do know what's going on in women's minds. But if we tell a hetero guy we get penalized and demoted to repugnut closet case and all our merit badges for taste, style and irony, and our Judy Garland good conduct ribbon are revoked. The divestiture ceremony is just too devastating to recount.

                "It's so nice to be insane, noone asks you to explain."

                by homogenius on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 11:04:15 PM PST

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                •  That's comedy (none)
                  it's unfair...but as long as you bring the music...

                  The Oval Office: Because there are no corners, there is nowhere to make the President sit when he has shamed the nation.

                  by BooMan23 on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 11:11:36 PM PST

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                  •  RE: Gaydar (4.00)

                    I have it. I'm straight, but I have always been attracted to gay men on a friendship level. I just know when I meet one. It's all about the eyes. This has always led me to believe that gays are born gay. It's a physical trait. I see it in both male and female homosexuals.

                    I see it in Bobby Eberle, Melman, Stone, Gannon- its a look.

                    This diary is super by the way. But the part that is most disturbing is the back-stabbing part of the gay under-world. The power plays, competition, but then I say..boys will be boys..across the board.

                    •  Exactly so - the eyes (none)
                      When I was first coming out (and I grew up in Penntucky with no exposure to gay culture) I would walk around the Phila gayborhood and often the person I was walking with would say "oh, that guy's gay....him too....etc."  And I'd ask "how can you tell?".  And I was told "look at the eyes...the eyes give away everything."  I wish I could be more specific, but eyes can be revealing.
      •  In Futurama (none)
        Bender has a little unit with a dish antenna...
      •  not just a handy tool, but a survival skill! (none)
        So how to Gay men detect other Gay men, when I can't?

        When you're gay, you tend to develop skills for detecting other gay individuals -- movements, gestures, language, etc. -- to find allies in a potentially hostile environment. One of its many uses is telling you whom you can hit on, and who will beat you bloody if you attempt to do so; another is so you can find someone to sit and get depressingly drunk with at a wedding (I've done this one). My experience is that straight people with gaydar tend to be observant people on the whole, while gay people with gaydar tend to have real-world experience detecting others like them (whether for companionship or just for feeling like you're not alone). You just learn how to recognise your own kind, is all.

        However, among my generation I've noticed that it's kind of evolving out. I'm a 23-year-old bisexual woman (Kinsey 4), and I probably couldn't tell you someone's sexuality at a glance if my life depended on it. On the other hand, since I moved out of Texas to go to college about the same time I came out, I've never really had to be in a place where a wink-wink-nudge-nudge conveyed more information than the rainbow necklace I wear. Same goes for a lot of my other queer friends -- if we want to pick up somebody in a bar, we don't go to the effort of giving off and looking for complex signals, we go to a gay bar (or a straight one where no one will respond to a same-sex come-on with brutal violence).

        Of course, this didn't stop me and my seminarian friends from frowning for clues when a very cute candidate for a professorship came the other day: 'Do you think he's gay?' 'He uses an awful lot of product.' 'No, look at the wedding band.' 'So? Dr. [gay professor] wears one.' 'Yeah, but this guy's is too boring to be a same-sex wedding band.' '...Yeah, okay.'

      •  i had an anthropology teacher (none)
        who explained to class that if you chose ten people out of any given population who you guessed were gay, 7 out 10 times you'd probably be right. same goes for picking 10 straight people.

        in retrospect, clearly his formula was a little simple-minded. my feeling as a straight person with quite a few gay friends is that life experience has a big effect on your ability to predict who is or isn't gay. i think life experience also has a big effect on whether or not you will admit to yourself that you're gay.

        it's funny, when i attend gay events or bars, i always leave thinking, EVERYONE is gay godammit!

        but cheez, wouldn't it be cool if we lived in a world where who a person was sleeping with mattered about as much as what their favorite kind of food was???

        The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity. --Yeats

        by JaneKnowles on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 05:44:06 AM PST

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        •  Actually (none)
          Their favorite food is more important to me then who they like to sleep with. This is because it's much easier to tell if someone's gay then if they're vegetarian. And since it's more likely that I will cook for them than sleep with them, this is a more important question. ;-)

          Plane Crazy
          Who loves to cook, likes antiques, loves MGM musicals, knows that windows have treatments, but, unfortunately, doesn't use any "products". Gayar says, "Straight!"  Hobbies and interests don't always tell you. :-)

          "It is hard to fight anger, for a man will buy revenge with his soul." Heracleitus, 500 BCE

          by PlaneCrazy on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 06:04:15 AM PST

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          •  haha very funny plane (none)
            then there's me:

            i like to oogle pretty women in magazines, i love watching baseball and basketball(and have even had a fantasy b-ball team) whose players i also like to drool over, i hate to make plans or committments and i can't stand to cook. you might guess that i'm a man, baby, but i'm not!

            so i agree, hobbies and interests do not always tell you!

            The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity. --Yeats

            by JaneKnowles on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 06:27:22 AM PST

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            •  Me and my husband . . . (none)
              . . . always have a good laugh over the fact that I am the one who drinks beer, cooks barbeque and uses power tools, while he bakes bread and hates sports.

              On the other hand, he's hairstyle-impaired and I like musicals, so we haven't completely swapped roles.

              To none will we sell, to none deny or delay, right or justice. Magna Carta 1215

              by Robespierrette on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 11:46:16 AM PST

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  •  Anybody know anything about this... (none)
    ...story about a "gay" connection between press aide McClellan and Gannon?

    Don't complain to me about class warfare -- Republicans started this war -- and us fightin' Democrats say, "Bring it on!"

    by casamurphy on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 06:03:19 PM PST

    •  Straight and bi men go to gay bars (none)

      Unless they find a former or current boyfriend who will go on the record, all it is is speculation.
      •  It's not speculation (4.00)
        if someone states he saw Scottie in a gay bar.

        Middle-aged Republicans, by the way, do not go to gay bars all the time. It's one thing for the young, the hip, the urbane to do this--or for people to accompany their friends--but quite another for the most frequently visible member of the Bush White House. It isn't "Real World."

      •  Straight men who are White House Press Secretary? (4.00)
        Would someone in Scotty's position be caught dead in a gay bar, if he were straight?  Even if gay, in closeted DC circles, it's a big risk.  But for the official mouthpiece for the Homophobe-in-Chief to show up there is risking a huge scandal with the wingnuts.  

        If Scotty's going to gay bars, it's not for fashion tips.  We can be sure of that.

        You can never be too rich, too thin, or too cynical.

        by Dallasdoc on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 09:44:46 PM PST

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        •  Not politics (none)
          but religion -- is everyone not familiar with the John Paulk debacle? So many parallels: high-profile sensitive position quite specifically involved with an anti-gay program -- yet he knew perfectly well where he was.

          Some of these guys need, on some level, to get "caught." Pathetic, really.

      •  That's like saying (none)
        no White House intern would ever conduct an affair with the POTUS and then kiss and tell. Truth is sometimes stranger than fiction. To my point of view, raising suspicions in people's minds, particularly right wing minds, is just as damaging as an actual person coming forward and claiming "Bush blew me at a truck stop while Rove fisted him using a can of STP." Alright perhaps not quite as damaging, but you get my point.

        There is a certain providence in the fall of a sparrow

        by mrblifil on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 11:05:25 PM PST

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    •  Second Rumor (none)
      I'd be careful of this because there is a side story to this that makes me suspicious.

      Some of you know the rumor that Rick Perry was caught by his wife with the former Texas Secretary of State.  There was a follow-up rumor that in fact Kay Bailey Hutchinson spread the rumor because she plans to challenge Perry for governor.  Perry is now considered a deadman walking, so Hutchinson's primary opposition will likely be McClellan's mom and Texas Comptroller Carole Keeton Strayhorn.  I'm not saying this isn't real, but I wouldn't be shocked if this was Hutchinson's doing.

  •  Thank you........ (none)
    For the valuable insight. I'm afraid that some folks don't realize how extensive the gay underground actually is.
  •  Fantastic . . . (4.00)
    So inciteful, clever, and fun.  Your best line is of course:

    That's the reason why there's been this whole attempt to frame the issue as being about Gannon's personal life - they know perfectly well it's their OWN personal lives that that they're trying to protect.

    You brought of Rick Perry, and I should just remind everyone of the not yet smothered Texas controversy when the secret no one dares to speak about him reared its head last year, see Burnt Orange Report for the back story.

    I think you hit the clubbiness of the politcal "in-crowd" dead on, and it applies to straits as well as gays.  There is always the formal security clearance, and then there are the back doors for friends of the family.

    "A little bit of inefficiency is called culture." - Me

    by dbratl on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 06:31:12 PM PST

  •  Ken Lay and Texas gays (4.00)
    By what magical powers has Ken Lay managed to stay out of jail? One theory is that Mr. Lay holds embarrassing information about the private lives of important public figures, including Karl Rove and George Bush.

    As the flames of the Gannon/Guckert scandal lick all around the closeted Republican gays of Texas, it would be worthwhile to check for Enron ties and to perhaps determine why this wrecker and looter of a huge corporation is still walking the streets of Houston.

  •  Well Written (none)
    Thanks for a very thoughtful diary.  The unchecked homophobia of the Bush era has to be fueled by significant repression.  The diary makes a lot of sense in highlighting what is really stake for the right in the Gannon story.  All of the hypocrisy might come tumbling down.
  •  Closeted gays and Gannon [sic] (4.00)
    Where, though, does this fellow get into this crowd in the first place?  He attended West Chester State University, which is in Chester County, Pa.  Southeastern Chester County and Northwestern New Castle County, Delaware, are of a piece.  The area is loaded with lots of very quiet money on very large tracts of land.  I've visited a few of those homes back in the day.  Some of them are on 200+ acres with a fairly modest (but very solid) home that is tasteful and understated.  Who there introduced this fellow to the Texas/Washington crowd?
    Gannon was one of those who admired Reagan.  It's not his politics, though, it's his access.  How does a reasonably intelligent (but vastly unsophisticated) young guy get into that crowd?  I would think the access preceded the web sites.  He's been in that area for 25 years now.  Who were his early sponsors who got him started on this path?
    Is there a way to find out?  I cannot think of a connection between Wilmington (actually Centreville) and Austin.
      That raises an important gap.  We still don't know any of it....

      Well, i'll shut up until this diary has been absorbed - but I hope you'll return or check out my next diary........

      We have a few leads....

      All roads lead back to Austin....

      •  Missing years (none)
        As near as I can tell, the time of his graduation from college in 1980 until he shows near 2000 is largely unaccounted for.
        •  just a hunch... (4.00)
          anyone checked any porn films?
        •  from what i've heard... (none)
          you can pull up voting records in lexus/nexus (although i've never used it). perhaps we can track his whereabouts at different time periods through his voting records (i mean, really... do you think he's miss an opportunity to vote??) then, once we find where he is, we can track down what he was doing.

          sorry if it doesn't work this way... i really have no experience with any of this, but i just want to HELP this noble cause.

          •  eh? (none)
            voter registration is public information in some states, but you can't access it through lexis/nexis.  [if i'm wrong somebody please post on here how to do so, that would be great for tracing people.]
            •  Actually (none)
              LexisNexis does have a database to search voting registrations.

              James D. Guckert registerd to vote as a Republican in Delaware, using his 5721 KENNETT PIKE address, in January of 1988.

              lib-er-al: Open to new ideas for progress; tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; not limited to or by established, orthodox or authoritarian attitudes.

              by DCescapee on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 04:41:15 PM PST

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      •  And here we are in Austin . . . (4.00)
        Wondering which of our gay friends might be able to help us research these questions?

        Q: What would Nancy Drew do?
        A: She'd say, "This is a job for my friend George."

        Support the troops-- 'cause Bush sure doesn't.

        by Sandia Blanca on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 08:14:59 PM PST

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        •  Nancy Drew's friend George (none)
          For those who are Nancy illiterate, George was a boy, something of a tomboy.  (Ned Nickerson was the hapless boyfriend.)
          Incidentally, if you liked Nancy, you should also read the Dana Girls by the same author.
          •  Hey (none)
            I thought I was the only one in the world who had read Dana girls!

            ...the White House will be adorned by a downright moron...H.L. Mencken

            by bibble on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 08:59:01 PM PST

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            •  Dana girls (none)
              My mother (born 1925) had all those books.  I went through her boxes of books when I was a kid and ran out of other things to read.  I loved mysteries of a certain type.
              It also helped me to learn what a roadster was.  Nancy had one.
              The worst I ever found in her collection was one of the original books out of a movie.  It was entitled "Deanna Curbin and the Feather of Flame".  It was just awful.
              On the other hand, for you trivia buffs and given the number of "gay" posts, Deanna Durbin did a short called something like "Sunday Bandstand" in which she did a duet with young Frances Gumm.  It was Frances's screen test and they sang, literally, on a bandstand with a Sunday concert 1930's type band behind them.
              Frances then changed her name to Judy Garland.
              (Sorry, but all this gay talk made this impossible to resist.)
              •  I read all the Nancy Drew Books (none)
                over and over, but I only had 2 Dana girls books that I remember.  I read them over and over too.  Do you think we're all just frustrated Nancy Drews and Dana Girls, given our investigative bent(s)?  I too learned what a roadster was because of reading Nancy Drew mysteries, and that knowledge has been invaluable in my daily life.

                ...the White House will be adorned by a downright moron...H.L. Mencken

                by bibble on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 10:51:56 PM PST

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              •  Durbin/Gumm (none)
                . . . if you really want to see that duet but can't find
                the short, it's excerpted in "That's Entertainment" (the
                movie that was on MGM musicals), or "That's Entertainment,
                vol. 2".

                I found that particular duet to be wonderful; I only wish
                I had such a flexible and accurate singing voice.

                (Well, okay, so my mind's full of trivia. . . )


                •  Hi, Alban! (none)
                  I think I have seen every Deanna Durbin movie.

                  RTE, the Irish television network, did a "Deanna Durbin Festival" back in the 70s, showing every one of her films they could get their hands on, one every weekend. Sadly, though her singing was lovely, the films were pretty forgettable. . .

                  To none will we sell, to none deny or delay, right or justice. Magna Carta 1215

                  by Robespierrette on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 11:55:56 AM PST

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                  •  Deanna Durbin (none)
                    Yeah, well, if her films had been memorable, she would
                    have achieved the fame and fortune of Francis Gumm,

                    . . . <sigh> If only talent was transferable: not every
                    great singer can act, not every nobel laureate can
                    do great art, nor can every great politician think. . .

                    Alban (pessimist? me? can't be!)

          •  George was a girl. (none)
            Slim and dark haired she was invariably referred to as "boyish George".
            "Titian haired" Nancy's other friend was the blond "plump Beth (Bess?)".

            "The world is a church and life is its service." Norman Andrews

            by Bionic on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 08:59:25 PM PST

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          •  the author (none)
            Just FYI, since some people don't know -- the "author" of the Nancy Drew books was (and still is) a pen name. They were all ghost-written by various people.

            • Carolyn Keene "bio" - listing people who wrote under the name
            • Salon interview with the first ghost-writer for Nancy Drew, Mildred A. Wirt Benson, who has now passed away.
            • This page says that Leslie McFarlane (a Hardy Boys writer) was the first ghost-writer for the Dana Girls, and was then succeeded by Harriet Adams.

            The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. - Sir Winston Churchill

            by drewthaler on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 01:20:32 AM PST

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    •  Once he's in, he's in (none)
      at a certain level. It's not like the networks of Republicans that met at Princeton or pledged Skull & Bones; not everyone summered together as children. If he's a loyal Republican first, gay second, he can be passed around quite a big circle.
    •  They all met at the 2000 RNC (4.00)
      It was held in Philadelphia, Bobby Eberle was a delegate,  all the big GOP players were there, and an ambitious, not-so-youg-anymore gay hooker living (possibly) in Delaware went fishing for a sugar daddy. He'd gone to college near Philly, so no problem finding the right venues.

      Another interesting tie to the 2000 RNC? Nick Berg was there as well, and he spent some time working for a company in Texas before going to Iraq. It's been remarked before how eerie it is that Berg was from West Chester, where G/G went to college, and that G/G interviewed Aziz Al-Taee (also from Philly), who was supposedly Berg's business partner in Iraq. See all the interesting ties here

      •  wow... (none)
        the lightbulb just went off in my head. this makes total sense! good call.
      •  Nick Berg..... (4.00)
        Good citation - Though I think the Gannon-Berg link has been disproven (it was largely based on a tendatious enrollment at Penn Univeristy)

        Nick Berg is well worth exploring further.

        I always thought the hot ticket was that he had been called to work at  Abu Ghraib and that evrything went out of control after that.

        Nick Berg is worth exploring above and beyond Gannon - and w/o seeking a link between them

        •  I think his college (none)
          Turned out to be West Chester State, near Philadelphia, and he's been pretty solidly linked to a fraternity there. That's still a tenuous link to Berg, who was 20 years younger, so could not have been a schoolmate. The tie-in, if in fact there is one, could actually be Philly, not West Chester.
          •  connections (none)
            I found some other folks (duPont's) who have similar mail drop addresses in Wilmington's far reaches.  I got a satellite photo of the area and there is not enough there for the number of addresses listed in the searches.  Wonder if this means anything.
          •  "Bill Jarrell... (4.00)
            ...who runs a firm called Washington Strategies, gives money to Bush, and had been a top aide to Tom DeLay." That description is from the story given by Alex Polier to New York Magazine. Polier is the intern who was fingered, by her "friend" whom she declines to name as having had an affair with John Kerry. The friend worked in Bill Jarrell's office.

            Here is a squib from Jarrell's bio on the Washington Strategies web page:

            Jarrell is a native of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania and graduate of The Pennsylvania State University. He continues to serve as an active alumnus, recently giving the commencement speech at the Penn State Delaware County campus in Media, Pennsylvania.

            Jarrell became a member of a PSU "Senior Hat Society" known as, of all things, Skull and Bones, in 1985. (Do a search on "jarrell" to get to some intriguing scuttlebutt here.) That is probably the year he graduated, but I can't document it.

            Several circumstances seem worthy of attention here. You're looking for a Philly-area connection to Texas. Gannon's alma mater of West Chester State is only a few miles west of that Delaware County campus of PSU where Jarrell "recently" gave a commencement speech, and both are only a few miles north of Centreville, DE. Jarrell was indeed a "top aide" to Tom Delay - he was a deputy chief of staff.

            The story about John Kerry's "intern affair" appears to have originated in Jarrell's office. That is one of the stories that Gannon gave life to. (Sorry, I haven't researched whether he "scooped" it or not.) If you read Alex Polier's story, it appears that she was on pretty familiar terms with Jarrell - probably through her "friend," at any rate.

            I've been trying to call attention to these dots in comments on several diaries that have scrolled away - I hope this one will survive long enough for someone to try their hand at connecting them. These include links to Delay, Enron, and Bruce Eberle that are but one or two degrees of separation from Gannon and the story out of Jarrell's office. So near yet so far.

            •  Sorry (none)
              Not a link to Bruce Eberle. I keep thinking that with Jack Abramoff and Enron and the Indian casinos there has to be one, but I haven't actually come up with one yet.
            •  Media and West Chester (none)
              ha ha.  I can't go into it.

              These two towns are about 10 minutes apart.

              The Oval Office: Because there are no corners, there is nowhere to make the President sit when he has shamed the nation.

              by BooMan23 on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 10:18:28 PM PST

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            •  use the dKosopedia (none)
              I've been trying to call attention to these dots in comments on several diaries that have scrolled away - I hope this one will survive long enough for someone to try their hand at connecting them. These include links to Delay, Enron, and Bruce Eberle that are but one or two degrees of separation from Gannon and the story out of Jarrell's office.

              Put all your stuff somewhere on dKosopedia.

            •  That bogus Kerry affair... (none)
              drags another member of that culture, Drudge, into the mix.

              Please visit my webby, A friend said, "I feel like I've entered a slick modern museum of cool stuff."

              by stumpy on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 12:20:11 PM PST

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      •  Bobby Eberle's account of (none)
        of the "late start" of GOPUSA 1999 to really do a whole lot in 2000 to recruit and support candidates in Texas, he mentions that after the 2000 election, that was when GOPUSA "reorganized" and became the internet noise-machine pipeline it evolved into, Talon, etc.



        Mitch Gore

        Nobody will change America for you, you have to work to make it happen

        by Lestatdelc on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 01:36:03 AM PST

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      •  Makes sense to me and your thought on the (4.00)
        GOP Philly convention 2000 ties in beautifully with yesterday's thread at Plame & PropaG: Gannon was GOPUSA Officer/Director and the G/G timeline posted by xegn regarding "bulldogphilly."

        It's no mystery to me that there would be a "nest of homosexuals" in this White House. Repressed homosexuality and ultra-conservative Christiandom, IMHO, fit together like a hand in glove. Throw in the ingredient of phony bravado and Texas testosterone, then stir and bake.

        I have to laugh when I recall G. Gordon Liddy's salivating over GW's "package" when he landed on the Mission Accomplished carrier.

        And let's recall the story of the Florida wing of The Christian Coalition, the Lava Lounge and John Dowless.

        "Nest" indeed. BTW that phrase came from the Washington Times article covering the Craig Spence affair in 1983.

        "The more things change, the more they stay the same" about sums up our current situation here.

    •  Scary Steve has an excellent avenue (4.00)
      of speculation.  A perusal of the students in Jim/ Jeff's college yearbook by someone who knows that crowd may find a blinking, neon sign.  Any of his fellow TKE boys perhaps?  While not definitive, if there justhappens to be a well connected scion in that college class, we would have a fresh alley to sniff.
    •  Could it have been through his (none)
      military service, in the Marines? Does anyone have any idea where he did his training?

      This seems to be a possibility, considering his focusing on gay military men as clients, and selling himself as a Marine or ex-Marine (complete with dogtags and "Bulldog" nickname).

      I keep going back to the 1989 Spence call boy scandal. There was a lot of gay military client activity during those years. Maybe he was "recruited" back then, and met one of the Texas natives that way?

      Or maybe he started frequenting certain VA and DC (and by extension, TX) circles out of pure ambition, to get ahead in any way possible.

      Secondly, I'd still like to be able to look into the real activity of Bedrock Corp. If he used Bedrock checks to pay for his escort sites, and the invoices were sent to Bedrock, then Bedrock's income might have been through those sites, just camoflaged as other kinds of services.

      Third, do you all remember the picture of Guckert at the "Beef & Beer" frat reunion? Someone already mentioned this in another thread, but I'll bring it up again here. Take a look at the guy just opposite Guckert at the bar, holding the red glass. Doesn't he look a lot like Bobby Eberle? Could Guckert have taken him along to the party? (I think it was ca. 2001-2002.) Maybe not, but just thinking...

      Sorry, I just noticed the tkema frat site links aren't working anymore -- they've scrubbed too? Does anyone have a working link to somewhere else where we have this pic?

  •  excellent post (none)
    thanks so much for posting - it was great insight.

    maybe we could get someone to go undercover for us in DC... any takers?

  •  Karl Rove's Attentiveness (4.00)
    Your article is fantastic and important.  This angle should be pursued without shame or trepidation.

    I hope all the closeted Republicans come out so they can blossom into the beautiful beings they were meant to be.

    Here's an article about an encounter with Karl Rove at the RNC.

    Stephen Elliott, author of
    Looking Forward to It : Or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the American Electoral Process
    has a theory:

    Karl Rove Tries To Steal My Mac

    I'm in the hallway at Madison Square Garden leading out from Radio Row through the filing center to the escalator which leads into the convention. Karl Rove just passed me. He looked down on me smiling. It was the friendly smile of a man trying to make contact, not so disimilar from the men who used to promise me things when I was a stripper ten years ago in Chicago. The Jons would say things like, "What do you want to do? Are you an actor? I can help you. I know an agent." That's the way they were, always making promises they had no intention of keeping, anything to get their fingers dirty. "Come over," they would say. "I have a limosine out front. I'll send the maid home." Then they would stuff a dollar bill in your underwear as if they were big spenders.

    Anyway, that's how Karl Rove looked at me and when I looked up the second time and he was still looking at me he said, "I like your Mac." He said. "That's a nice computer." He didn't nod, just smiled, his head didn't so much turn as swivel. It was just like that. He was being sincere. He was trying to connect. There was a large contingency following behind him and he slowed down just enough, never losing that sanguine smile, and then whammo, he was off.

    You can say what you want about truth and speculation and you can interpret your own meaning from the things that happen inside Madison Square Garden this week. But what I'm saying is true. There were witnesses. Intent, like predicting the weather, is open for debate. But I saw what I saw. It's been twelve years since I pulled on a g-string and danced on a lit box in one of the clubs on Clark Street, but I've still got it. And I know exactly what Rove was trying to do.

    'The Power of Nightmares' on DVD+R

    by negropontedeathsquads on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 07:04:05 PM PST

    •  Does this thing all lead back to Rove? (4.00)
      This I found from the other front page posting tonight.  Check out the comments
      at Raw Story:
      I have a pretty good idea how Gannon got the WH press pass.

      I am a gay white male. In 1970 I was the national committeeman for the Young Republicans from a Southern state. I attended the YR National Convention in June of 1970 in Phonex, AZ. I met K. Rove at the convention and went to the bar for drinks.
      We had sex at the Del Web Townhouse we left the bar. I was in the closet until I was in my 40's. Karl needs to get out of the closet.

      Connect the dots.

      Comment by Thom -- 2/19/2005 @ 2:38 pm

      There's every chance this post is disinformation, but the idea that sex is really what put Gannon/Guckert in the West Wing as a "journalist" is awfully compelling. It's not like there weren't 10,000 quality Rethugs that could have fit the bill.  Jim/Jeff had something that opened doors . . .

    •  Ewwwww, (4.00)
      First Karl Rove, and then Karl Rove invoking the Mac.
      This is just wrong on so many levels.

      News is what powerful people don't want you to hear. Everything else is publicity.-Bill Moyers

      by jazzmaniac on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 07:24:08 PM PST

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    •  Fascinating (none)
        Isn't that Karl just a devilish little prankster.

      People vote for sunshine, not for gloom and doom!

      by missliberties on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 08:40:31 PM PST

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      •  Karl Rove and devil... (none)
        belong in same sentence...

        Karl Rove and gay lover...

        do not.

        I find it easier to think of my own parents in bed (after all, when they were in their 20's, they were both very good-looking) than Karl Rove sacking it with anybody.

        I've always tended to think of him as geekily asexual, or getting off on things most of us- gay or straight-would regard as strange or even repugnant. Like pix of dead women. (This explains the war angle.) Or political embarrassment.

        Perhaps he politically "rapes" people. He seems to really get off on it. And that's why the GOP loves him- he has one of the ultimate motivations for political mudslinging. Maybe he just prefers to "character rape" Democratic male politicians. It's a big power thing with him.

        Just thinking out loud.

    •  My Dears................. (4.00)
      As a gay man I am loving all of this. Gaydar is not yet proof in court, but PULEEEEEEEEEEEZ, an instant hit on Miss Rove is............Well,in times past the clued-in would ask, "Is he musical?" He's the wind section of the Hollywood Bowl, ferchrissake! Blame my martini. (Double)

      I agree with the other gay posts who feel that it is time that their hyprocrasy catches up with their hubris. I am sorry that they hurt, but their harm is  no longer tolerable.

      "The trouble with the Christian Right is that they don't know the right Christians."--Al Sharpton

  •  What exactly is a "gay insider"? (none)
    Does that mean that all of us who are not gay are "straight insiders"?

    Piss off Frank Luntz: don't use Republican issue frames like "Social Security crisis."

    by DC Pol Sci on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 07:10:40 PM PST

    •  No (4.00)
      Gay life used to be very secretive; in many places it still is, not only in the Red States but at higher levels of power in the Blue. Few places will elect an openly gay politician, few shareholders are comfortable with an out CEO.

      In Boston, just a few years ago they closed down Napoleon's. It had become kind of a funny geezer bar, with old guys singing at the piano and young men showing up only on certain nights. But it started as the city's first gay club. On a side street--really an alley--in Back Bay, it was marked only by the "N" on the door. The door also had a porthole window with a hatch door, through which hopeful guests would be checked out by staff after giving the knock. Inside, it was posh in its day, with wood and chandeliers, and full of people in suits and blazers.

      An unfortunate remodel in the 1970s meant I never saw it in its full glory, nor of course did I ever see the porthole used. But it stands as the original model of the only "acceptable" gay life available to upper-class and professional men in America before the '70s.

      Or available to Republicans today.

      •  Yes gay old-timers (4.00)
        know a lot of secrets they don't share outside the community, but do share inside it.  In any city many gays know the reality about various local politicians, local TV personalities, athletes and such, but most of the time there is not reason to expose these things outside the community.
      •  Have we learned nothing in 70 years? (none)
        Smallbottle, if I didn't know the subject of this thread, I'd think you were describing the speakeasies of prohibition.  Hernando's Hideaway, ole!
        •  Booze, coke, party.. (none)
          Anyone can do anything in the right circumstance if high enough...perfect combo for blackmail...oops I did it again...
        •  Supression/Repression.. (none)
          be it alcohol, or sexuality.. is where the quicksand is.



          Mitch Gore

          Nobody will change America for you, you have to work to make it happen

          by Lestatdelc on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 01:44:08 AM PST

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        •  Underground bars. (none)
          The "porthole" made me think of this bar in NYC I went to a few times about eight years ago.  They had no sign, just a locked metal door with graffiti.  Knock on the door, and the bouncer (photographic memory or something, this guy) would recognize you through the peephole and allow you to bring a friend in too.

          Once you got in, it was a bar, but people were doing coke on the tables and stuff like that.  Interesting scene.  When something is illegal or not accepted, it develops an underground, and people drift in there from all walks of life.

          Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind. -Albert Einstein

          by Primordial Ooze on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 12:23:25 PM PST

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  •  Thanks for your insightful diary. (4.00)
    A good read. And I would love to see you do the GayOP history!

    My gut also keeps telling me that there is something to be discovered going back to the IranContra memory hole...I am googling combinations of names from time to time, but keep overloading my computer doing it!

    A tool for making those little grey boxes
    It is a Firefox extension, so if you don't have it, you would need to install it. Highly recommended.

    I may be thinking about taking the Bus, but I'm not taking the Omnibus, no sir, thanks, I'll walk.

    by emmasnacker on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 07:18:11 PM PST

    •  From an earlier thread 2/13, possible Enron link? (3.80)
          Charlie Weldon's bio (this is another GOPUSA Director/Officer)says he is "currently employed" at UBS Warburg Energy, Houston--do we know when these bios were actually posted and/or updated?  Because someone posted a comment on the Net 2/22/02 that the Houston office was being closed down.  Also, what is the "Weldon-Stacey-Blake Corporation"?  The only thing Google turns up are the GOPUSA listings--maybe it's not real?  All this was in service of finding his full name--trying to track his wife has so far taken me nowhere.

      If Talon News was up and running ~ 4/1/03
      then it's odd that Weldon's bio has him working at a UBS Warburg Energy company office that was supposedly closing down as of 2/22/02.  I suppose it's possible they may not have closed down after all--except that it was connected to Enron.

          GOPUSA went up in 2000. When I first looked at the two sites, there were some bios that were clearly older than others.  IIRC Bobby had updated his in 2002 or 2003 but not his wife's (their children were older in his bio than in hers).  All the Enron trading activities were shut down shortly have it blew up in late 2001.  The bio I picked up does seem to be from Talon since Google shows Member, Board of Directors, GOPUSA. Charlie Weldon graduated magna cum laude from Texas A&M ... even though the rest of it is no longer available (am sure somebody following this has saved all of them).  Maybe someone can check out Texas A&M.
      The Talon bio on Weldon makes no mention of UBS Warburg -- from my hazy memory from a few years ago, UBS Warburg was heavily exposed on all that trading stuff with the energy companies.  Plus it implies that he no longer worked at Enron and had his own company (for which nothing seems to exist).    

      Exhausted by the Spin:
            I checked Weldon on Bloomberg And he isn't there, suggesting that he isn't with UBS Warburg energy any longer, nor is he trading. But it's an educated guess.
      Most people who do this kind of thing for a living live and breathe by Bloomberg terminals. All users are listed.  He ain't there.

      Glad to be here
      by exhausted by the spin on Sun Feb 13th, 2005 at 22:30:36 PST

      ...the White House will be adorned by a downright moron...H.L. Mencken

      by bibble on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 07:27:19 PM PST

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      •  Weldon (4.00)
        There is a Congressman from Delaware County, Pa. (close to Wilmington) named Curt Weldon, isn't there?  Any relation to this Charlie Weldon?
        •  Well, what do you know.... (4.00)
          a quick check, and Curt Weldon (R-Pa) graduated from West Chester University in 1969--majored in Russian studies.  Still working on a possible connection to Charlie Weldon.....

          ...the White House will be adorned by a downright moron...H.L. Mencken

          by bibble on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 08:06:46 PM PST

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      •  Interesting (none)
        Because I was looking into another name mentioned in the main post, Michael Ames, and found one who worked for Enron, and one who worked for some investment firm in Texas working with their energy investments. I don't know if it is the same guy, but sounds like the two just might be the same.

        Man, Enron had their dirty hands in everything.

        I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires. - Susan B. Anthony

        by BuckMulligan on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 01:07:05 AM PST

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        •  Ralph Reed and Enron (4.00)
          I mentioned much of this in one of my diaries that was pooh poohed a week ago. I also think Sinclair fits nicely here.
          •  enron, swift boat, chalabi, (none)
            they are all connected. i have thought these same things for a long time. call it intuition. everytime i would walk into a room with a tv on, i would see all of these powerbrokers and think, they all are so gay, i do not get it.

            ken lay, andy fastow, skilling seems out of his mind destructive(like bush),john o'neil, and chalabi walks, talks , and oozes gayness.

    •  I think you're right (none)
      and I've been trying to sort some of that out too--there is a feeling to all this of the other shoe dropping (perhaps the throwing of the shoe at Richard Perle has some special significance?)--however, I never felt clear about what happened re the Iran-contras, even the hearings felt like a coverup, so it makes it even harder to see the connections decades later.  But again, I'd say trust your gut.

      ...the White House will be adorned by a downright moron...H.L. Mencken

      by bibble on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 07:32:42 PM PST

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      •  Carl "Spitz" Channell (none)
        (not sure if the speeling is correct on the last name).

        He was at the hub of a network of propaganda and fundraising organizations tied to the Iran-Contra scandal, and Oliver North in particular.  It was also a network of gay conservatives. In light of this diary, I can't say that there is a link, but there is certainly an analogy. There as alot written about this at the time. I believe Channell and some of his associates may have been indicted for some of thier fundraising activities.

  •  They always say we are doing (4.00)
    things that they are actually doing -- that classic projection thing.  And it's exactly the same here!  They campaign endlessly about the Left's "promotion of the homosexual agenda," and yet here they are actively doing exactly that themselves (albeit the homosexual agenda of a few of their right-wing cronies, rather than the interests of commoner gays).

    We should have seen it as soon as the gay stuff started coming out.  They try to knock us for things they're actually doing.  They project everything onto us.  It wouldn't surprise me whatsoever to learn that the same is true of the "homosexual agenda".

  •  what about the other Kenny boy? (none)
    I can't help but think RNC Chair Ken Mehlman has to be involved in some way.

    Talk about setting off one's gaydar. He certainly did when I saw him on Meet the Press.

    •  Paging David Brock (4.00)
      The following quote about David Brock of Media Matters comes from this site

      After college, Brock moved to Washington D.C. where he took a job at the conservative Washington Times. "Andrew" came along, although they later separated. Brock enthusiastically became a writer in the service of conservative causes. He also became a regular at gay clubs where he encountered many of the people he saw more publicly in conservative organizations and publications. "Gay Republicans were everywhere, even in the city's bars," he wrote, and he became one of them.

      Years later Brock was "outed" in an interview. He was abandoned by the right-wing and published Blinded By the Right, in which he apologized for much of his earlier writing and said "Had I come out of college as an openly gay man ten years later, I doubt I would have fallen in with the by-then transparently antigay GOP."

      Just wonder if he could shed any light on, oh, any of this.  You reading this, Mr. Brock?

      "We are trying to change the tones in the state capitals -- and turn them toward bitter nastiness and partisanship." - Grover Norquist

      by yatdave on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 10:43:25 PM PST

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    •  mehlman guarding the closet door (none)

      in mainstream media lately (i think newsweek, but i can't find it right now) it's been mentioned that mehlman will not discuss his sexuality on the record.

  •  Thanks (none)
    for the insights.

    I can't imagine the inner struggles that must (eventually) overcome the people who so thoroughly deceive themselves and their closest friends as they deceive the outside world.

    "...psychopaths have little difficulty infiltrating the domains of...politics, law enforcement, (and) government." Dr. Robert Hare

    by RubDMC on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 07:36:48 PM PST

  •  Excellent -- (4.00)
    But why does Guckert have to have had anything to do with the TX gay contingency that remained in TX?  IMO Guckert was picked up in DC and when it came time to give him a job, they worked it through the TX boys.  Better that way because they were off site, would have no need to know what was up and no ability to observe it with their own eyes.  

    What FDR giveth; GWB taketh away

    by Marie on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 07:41:45 PM PST

  •  but (none)
    did I not read an article on someone elses web site that the man how got to dashael in this last campaign was from tx or some thing to that effect?  gannon was with him up in the black hils somewhere, wasn't he? placing allt he articles about daschel in them.  just for inquiring minds wanting to know!!
  •  This diary prompted me to locate (4.00)
    this passage from an old New Yorker profile on Rove. I remember being completely taken aback by Rove's detailed and intimate description of Bush - like a woman recounting the first time she met her husband. (Although I can't remember what the hell my husband was wearing when I met him.) :

    His first memory of George W. Bush was more precise. "It was the day before Thanksgiving, 1973," Rove said. "Chairman Bush´s chief of staff called me and said, 'I've got to be at a meeting on the Hill, the chairman´s got to be at a meeting at the White House, the other people in the office have already gone, and the eldest son is going to be coming down from Harvard. He's going to arrive at the train station, early afternoon. He'll call over here when he gets to the train station. Meet him down in the lobby and give him the keys to the family car." I can literally remember what he was wearing: an Air National Guard flight jacket, cowboy boots, bulletins, complete with the - in Texas you see it a lot - one of the back pockets will have a circle worn in the pocket from where you carry your tin of snuff, your tin of tobacco. He was exuding more charisma than any one individual should be allowed to have."
    •  back fill (4.00)
      I've thought about that for some time, several times over. It was striking when I read it in the original New Yorker piece. But now, I wonder this: could it also not be a fair amount of justification? I mean, not every allegedly charismatic person ended up (the most unlikely, to say the least) President. In some ways, it's important now for Rove to tell his history so that he appeared to 'recognize' GWB's potential.

      Remember that this was, for a long, long while, a decidedly minority opinion. He was, to put it mildly, the least-likely-to-succeed scion. In this regard, though it has decidedly creepy, homoerotic overtones, Rove's confession is largely about his own powers of discernment. Given 2K and 04 (President-select, stolen election), Rove was breathtakingly close to being very, very wrong.

      •  It's hard to know how to read that quote (none)
        It just stuck me as being rather - for lack of a better word - romantic. But I guess Rove wouldn't be the first political operative to have fallen in love with his candidate (in a political not a personal sense).  

        My husband is disagreeing with me. He says no straight man would ever describe another man that way. LOL

      •  Possible... (none)
        but also remember Rove was angling for years on how to leverage the evangelical vote. He was a Bush loyalist for years, but saw H.W. Bush fail utterly to "connect" with the evangelical base.

        So her comes Shrub, with dorky "charm" then later "born-again" creds. Many inside the failed Sr. re-elect bid often mention about how Shrub could really stump and connect withe evengelical base for his dad. But it was his dad, nt him running at the time.

        This is when Rove moved tomold and educate Bush inot being a Gubentorial candiate, with the plan to spring-board the entire BushCo. back into the WH.


        Mitch Gore

        Nobody will change America for you, you have to work to make it happen

        by Lestatdelc on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 01:55:24 AM PST

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    •  asdf (4.00)
      Rove was checkin out W's ass to notice that tin of chewing tobacco. Or maybe that identifiable lump on W's ass is "Bush's Brain."
    •  Rove was lying? (none)
      it's all too on message for me to belive it was anything other than a made up story in the never ending building of the W mythology.

      When all else fails...panic

      by David in Burbank on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 09:57:44 AM PST

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      •  I bet you're right (none)
        Just more myth-making. Don't know why I didn't see that too. Dubya in his Air National Guard flight jacket and cowboy boots is just a little too convenient. For all we know, Bush was in his cheerleaders outfit when he first met Rove.
  •  This is really interesting (none)
    At one and the same time, it makes me think of "Sunday Bloody Sunday" and "American Gigolo."
  •  sheesh (none)
    the last line says it all.
  •  Excellent (none)
    Well written and quite courageous. Thank you for your quality insights, your understated presentation, and your willingness to share knowledge for the common good.
  •  and also (none)
    rove was fired by daddy bush as well...remember...
  •  ...and remember who (none)
    changed the administrative protacol at Tx a&m   and they all had a hand in picking up the tabs for jr's miscalculations in his business adventures.  Daddys friends and the young repubs have got connections somewhere.  Geez I wished my mind would not fail me on things like they are doing nowadays.  Wished I could remember names and dates and facts like when I was younger.  Why do you think all of daddy's men are back in the picture from his administration???!!  Kenny boy is just the biggest duck int he puddle.
  •  Good Comment by GW on Gays (4.00)
    This is quoted from those just released voice recordings of George made in 1998/1999

    linked text = NYTimes Article Page 3

    "This is an issue I have been trying to downplay," Mr. Bush said. "I think it is bad for Republicans to be kicking gays."

    Told that one conservative supporter was saying Mr. Bush had pledged not to hire gay people, Mr. Bush said sharply: "No, what I said was, I wouldn't fire gays."

    I think the quote "I wouldnt fire gays" says a lot about his administration.

    •  it says (none)
      that a lot of the Republican constituents probably walk into that oval office begging Bush to fire "the gays" off his staff and Bush refuses.

      He has had a similar situation with immigration and how he is constantly pressured to be tougher with his policy about "the mexicans" and yet he stands up to the republican buddies on that too.

      Seriously Bush is brilliant in that he is surrounded by people so much more fucked up than he is that he comes out looking "ok" in comparison.

      I voted for John Kerry and all I got was this lousy sticker...

      by diplomatic on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 10:18:54 PM PST

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  •  Gannon's fraternity creed (none)
    Some very interesting material here, this is from the creed for the frathernity Gannon was a memeber of and I believe it has been said that Bush was member of same fraternity:  Note third paragraph, what does that mean?

    ""Man is a social being. Our whole structure evidences the absolute interdependence of man. Reclusiveness is dwarfing to man's best qualities. Intimate and frequent contact with our fellows is necessary to symmetrical development. As a consequence, organizations whose purpose is to promote these ends are to be fostered and encouraged.

    We believe that at no other period in the life of a man is the time more opportune for the fostering of such qualities than during the years of his college career. Then mind and heart are in their most receptive condition, for it is the formative period of life.

    We regard mental development as of vital importance, but of equal consequence is the acquisition of a knowledge of men and a proper conception of their relation to one another. This is not obtained from texts and lectures, but from actual and intimate intercourse with men. To promote these ends is the avowed and earnest purpose of this fraternity. Fully realizing the burdens of this duty, we enter upon its performance with the conscientious purpose of adequately meeting its demands.

    We maintain that exclusiveness is the direct antithesis of a true fraternity. We condemn the un-American policies of some of the leading college fraternities of the country in their attitude of contempt to all who are without the bonds of fraternities, regardless of character, ability or personal merits. Such policies we seek to avoid, as they are destructive of the very ends of true fraternity.

    We believe that a fraternity should be a brotherhood in conduct as well as in name. "Faith without works is dead." Pledges of brotherhood not succeeded by observance in conduct are as "sounding brass and tinkling cymbal." By the tenor of our daily action we should evidence our devotion to the principles we have solemnly obligated ourselves to observe.

    The duties and obligations that subsist between the sons of the same mother should subsist between brothers in the sacred bond of this fraternity. The instinct to the observance of mutual duties that common blood supplies, must be furnished by the pledges of our ritual.

    We believe that the essential elements of true brotherhood are love, charity, and esteem; love, that binds our hearts with the sturdy chords of fraternal affection; charity, that is impulsive to see virtues in a brother and slow to reprove his faults; esteem, that is respectful to the honest convictions of others and that refrains from treading upon that which is sacred to spirit and conscience; these are the triple obligations of every brother in the bond.

    We believe in secretism in so far as it enables a fraternity to protect the confidence of the brotherhood. Secrecy that is promoted for selfish purposes or utilized to cloak fraternal wrong-doings we unsparingly condemn. We uphold this policy in so far as it is necessary to insure the dignity of our ritualism and the privacy of our internal affairs. As secrecy is employed to protect and perpetuate the sanctity of the family relation, so we enlist the advantage of secrecy to preserve inviolate the confidences and sanctities of the brotherhood.

    Toward other fraternities we believe we should maintain an attitude of dignity and respect, recognizing their merits and studiously avoiding their evils. We believe our relation to them is, in a measure, competitive, and that we should endeavor to excel them in the fields of college activity.

    We maintain that competition may become detrimental to any school. When healthy rivalry is followed by competition in which honorable methods are employed, it is a boon to the fraternity, and a benefit to the school, but when groveling and unprincipled means are employed, when school spirit and interest are subordinated to fraternal prejudice and selfishness, it becomes "a snare to the feet," and a detriment to the fraternity and to the school. Competition in such form we condemn, and pledge every effort to avoid.

    Finally, above all else, this fraternity stands for Men. We believe in their equality in those things which the Creator has decreed they should equally enjoy. We consider no man from the standpoint of those qualities and advantages he has not attained by personal effort. We stand for men whose manhood has withstood the test of trying conditions. We deem sterling character and staunch uprightness to be necessary qualifications to membership in this fraternity. All else, though desirable, is secondary to these.

    by diane101 on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 08:14:43 PM PST

    •  strange creed (4.00)
      "the intercourse" with men?  One assumes this was written long ago, say around the time the town of Intercourse, Penna., was named.
      •  Considering that the primary definition (none)
        of "intercourse" is simply something to the effect of "dealings or communications between persons or groups", maybe it was originally intended in that sense, but then some lugheads totally misconstrued it and actively applied the other sense.

        Otherwise, maybe the ambiguity was intentional, leaving room for various interpretations (but that would be really strange, I'd think).

    •  Bush DKE, Gannon TKE (none)
      Different fraternities.

      "The government is us, you and me." - TR

      by Chance the gardener on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 08:40:17 PM PST

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    •  Interesting piece (none)
      Clearly homosocial rhetoric. Nothing that would be out of place in the Agora. Any connections to Greek political theater?

      "History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce." -Karl Marx

      by Lainie on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 10:16:00 PM PST

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      •  No, no, no... (none)
        Remember that fraternities hold on to old traditions; that's really their main claim to legitimacy.

        Clearly, that third paragraph was written some time before World War II. Let's translate this into modern language:

        "...of equal consequence is the acquisition of a knowledge of [people] and a proper conception of their relation to one another. This is not obtained from texts and lectures, but from actual and intimate [intercommunication] with [people]."

        Remember, words like "intercourse" (to exchange with) and "ejaculate" (to burst out, i.e., with speech) once had a far different meaning.

        (I'm speaking from experience: my first name, Richard, has a diminutive that once was not immediately thought of as a reference to one's schlong.)

    •  They left one out (none)
      Thanx for the Wikipedia link.

      I went and looked at it, and noticed that they left one name off the list of prominent brothas. So I added him:

      * James D. Guckert - Male Prostitute, White House "Reporter"


  •  This all makes perfect sense (none)
    ......the most baffling piece of the puzzle for me is why on earth would a gay man be a part of the republican machinery. The dazzle and power, I can see, but the policies suck. Well it seems as though the repugs are a little fickle here.

      Most interesting. Thanks. I love the part about you gay republican friend being at the ball. And the secret gays. "Girl this say it all.....Karl Rove. Amazzzzzzingggg!

    People vote for sunshine, not for gloom and doom!

    by missliberties on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 08:32:15 PM PST

    •  Power and Prohibited Desire (4.00)
      According to my reading of Michel Foucault, (and Nietzsche), engaging in prohibited actions gives one a feeling of power in taking on the dominant social mores.  This is obviously a fancy take on something we commonly understand from 'reverse psychology' or Pandora's box. In this case it is perhaps less subconscious.
      If, for the sake of argument at least, we take this entire story as true, we might infer some motivations:

      1. For the closeted GOP cabal, remaining in the closet makes their encounters more fun. They engage the 'social power structure' and win. These are people who have already shown a 'taste for power', and as Nietzsche said "Pleasure arises where there is a feeling of power".

      2. It is seemingly obvious that they 'protest too much'. A closeted gay would strengthen his hetero bona fides by engaging in gay bashing. I usually interpret agressive gay-bashing as a symptom of latent homosexuality, self-loathing, etc. An equally good interpretation, it seems, would be that the shrill homophobia is a conscious facade.

      3. Control. Again with the power, but as has been noted, the clandestine network aspect of the gay community dovetails nicely with the clandestine networks required for intelligence and political operations. The connections and trust for the politics are built upon those from an underlying network where one's commitment can be physiologically determined. It would be difficult to act one's way into a male homosexual network, viagra notwithstanding.  A benefit of this twin-track network is that loyalty can be enforced by blackmail quite easily. Clearly, anything that reduces the social stigma of homosexuality reduces the effectiveness of the leverage that the network has on its members.

      4. Deniability. As a last resort, were the network uncovered somehow, they could bite the bullet and admit to having a steamy group of gay contacts, explaining lying and secrecy in a completely plausible way, without having to admit to  executing a coup d'etat against the US, or starting a war for fun and profit, looting the SS trust fund, or defrauding millions of shareholders.

      5. Typical GOP selfishness. They got theirs, why should they care about the rights and well-being of others. Like the 'pull-up-the-ladder', anti-affirmative-action house-negroes like Ward Connerly and Clarence 'Uncle' Thomas. Why should they care about anyone else? The 'American Dream' and even the existence of a middle class has always been a nightmare for the corporate plutocrats runing the GOP.
      •  It is fun (none)
        to be naughty every once in a while. We are only human after all.

        People vote for sunshine, not for gloom and doom!

        by missliberties on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 06:51:26 AM PST

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      •  Nail on the head (4.00)
        Control. Again with the power, but as has been noted, the clandestine network aspect of the gay community dovetails nicely with the clandestine networks required for intelligence and political operations. The connections and trust for the politics are built upon those from an underlying network where one's commitment can be physiologically determined. It would be difficult to act one's way into a male homosexual network, viagra notwithstanding.  A benefit of this twin-track network is that loyalty can be enforced by blackmail quite easily. Clearly, anything that reduces the social stigma of homosexuality reduces the effectiveness of the leverage that the network has on its members.

        That's it, right there.  Nuff said.

        It is no accident that Liberty and Liberal are the same word.

        by Sorceress Sarah on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 03:36:49 PM PST

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    •  The Republicans seem to be very good (none)
      at getting people to work against their own best interests, and their own social groups.

      Here we have gays trying desperately to remain in the closet, while aiding in implementing antigay policies.

      In Ohio we had dear Mr. Kenneth Blackwell doing everything in his power to disenfranchise his own people, in part so he could move up the political ladder himself.

      We've got poor and middle-class people and senior citizens voting Republican for their "values" and "leadership", when it means it will be their kids and grandkids who go to die in Iraq, their farms that will lose subsidies, and their healthcare benefits and social security that will be trashed.

      Go figure. Kool-Aid anyone?

  •  "Actually Gay" (none)

    I've got a question for you... I've never stumbled across this particular circle in my interaction with the right-wing (or, being straight and about as sensitive to subtle sexual cues as your average slab of granite, it's entirely possible that I simply didn't notice). However, based on my interactions with other segments, I'm curious about something. Do these people actually think of themselves as "gay" (or homosexual or attracted to men or whatever), or do they think of it as "a gentleman's passtime" or some other flowery phrase that makes it sound like something the rich and powerful simply do?

    It's like the media listened to Weird Al's "Dare to be Stupid" and said "Yes! This is how the world should be!"

    by RHunter on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 08:41:14 PM PST

    •  Depends... (none)
      if they are looking for trade, or if they are in the circles that the diarist is talking about.

      The former is the really risky avenue to take. That's where you are flying solo just looking for releases, but 100% clandestine.


      Mitch Gore

      Nobody will change America for you, you have to work to make it happen

      by Lestatdelc on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 02:02:16 AM PST

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    •  Like women who say they're against (none)
      feminists. That's how I'd describe these closeted types. They feel superior to "out" gay men because out gay men are the ones (they think) get persecuted.

      There's a great line in Angels in America where Roy Cohn says that someone who can get a call through to the Oval Office is not a fag. I think Guck & Co. think this is the case for them, too.

    •  That would really be "On the Down Low" (none)
      Projection at its height.

      Get rid of anything the Democratic Leadership Council. Visit the weblog:

      by The Truth on Fri Feb 25, 2005 at 03:51:03 PM PST

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  •  Beware of (none)

    This is all just toooo juicy.

  •  A Question Re Gays and the GOP (none)
    Why would gays be involved in the GOP?  Is this a case where they believe in the platform of the Republican Party (i.e., fiscal conservatism, strong defense, lower taxes, blah, blah, blah) and because they want to succeed within the Party they choose to suppress their sexuality.  They recognize that the Republicans are anti-gay but in their twisted way of looking at issues, have decided that homosexual rights are not as important as lower corporate tax rates.  

    Or, they are attracted to the platform of the Republican Party and are also so enmeshed in self-hatred and denial that they embrace a Party and the Party's anti-gay rhetoric.  Are they staying in the Republican Party because of a low-to-zero self esteem because of their homosexuality.  

    Which came first -- the chicken (conservative values) or the egg (self-hatred)?

    Can any one out there explain to me why gays would embrace the GOP?  I just don't get it.

    "Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." Lewis Carroll (CA-15)

    by kathyp on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 08:48:41 PM PST

    •  Gays in the GOP (none)
      Well, as a mad queen of a certain age, I can remember when the left (and lots of Democrats) absolutely reviled gays, even after the Stonewall Riots and the framing of the message as one of equal rights.  On the other hand, the Republicans in those days didn't want to hear about sex, gay or straight.  Whatever one did in private was OK as long as it stayed private and one didn't frighten the horses.
    •  See "Angels in America" (none)
      Go rent the DVDs. See the portrayal of the infamous closeted homosexual Republican Roy Kohn. See the gay Mormon struggling with his sexuality while maintaining his commitment to his Republican ideals.  See the enticements of power Kohn extends to him. Watch and all this described by padraig becomes entirely plausible.
      •  And Read "Ravelstein" (4.00)
        by Saul Bellow.  It's a roman a clef biographical sketch of Allan Bloom, author of "The Closing of the American Mind," the conservative "bible" of the eighties.  It outs Bloom as an epicurian, closeted high priest-philosopher.

         Blooms obsession is to train & guide selected students into politics.
        Wolfowitz is the best example.

        Bloom died of AIDS even though the details of his personal life were not known outside of a small circle.

        Gay marriage is a threat to them because it would de-mystify something they feel is a refined "taste" reserved for an elite "few."

        This is starting to make a lot more sense now.
        I strongly urge everyone involved in this discussion to read these books now.  If not "Closing," (it's pretty dense) at least "Ravelstein."

        •  Thanks (none)
          I will start with Ravelstein and maybe it will help me understand.  What they are doing seems so different from how I would live if I were in the same circumstance and so I just don't get it.  Why does anyone embrace those who would oppress them?

          "Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." Lewis Carroll (CA-15)

          by kathyp on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 11:11:41 PM PST

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          •  Nobody's oppressing them (4.00)
            They're the elite. They're oppressing everybody else.

            That's the essence of Straussism. The educated few do whatever they want. Everybody else belongs to the manipulated masses.

            I've posted this link a lot, but it's truly relevant here. If you want to understand Straussian elitism, it's a must read.

            It's always the old who lead us to the war, always the young to fall -- Phil Ochs

            by litho on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 06:49:43 AM PST

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            •  If you want to understand Straussian elitism (none)
              Read Plato's Republic. It's the basis for Western notions that can be categorized under the heading "elitism". And it comes from the most superficial understanding of Western Philosophy: too many of the Right just took an Introduction to Philosophy course and never delved any further or considered non-Western philosophical thought systems.  

              Harold Bloom is the biggest charlatan in this area: lazy critical thinking and pseudo-intellectual blather and a cult following of wingers to boot!

    •  Log Cabin Republicans (none)
      Who can explain their existence? (rehtorical question)  The chairman of the LCR made a speech on C-Span a few months ago and answered, if I recall correctly, that they are involved in the Republican party to encourage diversity within the party and in the process gain some sympathy for gay causes.

      I'll see if I can find the link and post it.  As a gay man, I was most curious about the program to find out why this group belongs to a party that seems to abhor us sooooo much.

      Meanwhile, I wonder, if indeed there is an "underground" of closeted gays in the Republican party, if any members of the LCR would be willing to squawk.

      I'm a blue drop in a red bucket.

      by blue drop on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 01:17:26 PM PST

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    •  Closet Marxists (none)
      Why are there gays in the GOP?  Opportunity.  The opportunity to make money and to make connections that make money.

      At bottom, Republicans are closet Marxists who believe that money determines everything.  They're pretty much right about themselves- they're a bunch of greedy bastards who see themselves as inheriting the earth while the meek get crushed underfoot - but don't understand those for whom money is secondary to happiness, or honor or integrity or justice or democracy or any of those silly abstractions.

      Besides, being drawn into any social network happens one step at a time, and it's easy to self-justify a little step here and a little step there "so long as I don;t get too involved."


      "We cannot let terriers and rogue nations hold this nation hostile. - W, 09/09/00

      by Bob Love on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 02:30:12 PM PST

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    •  Can any one out there explain to me why gays would (none)
      Or, they are attracted to the platform of the Republican Party and are also so enmeshed in self-hatred and denial that they embrace a Party and the Party's anti-gay rhetoric.  Are they staying in the Republican Party because of a low-to-zero self esteem because of their homosexuality.  

      The issue with them is that they do identify with gay culture and therefore do not see themselves as gay.

      Truckle the Uncivil, Nullus Anxietas Sanguinae

      by Truckle on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 05:05:11 PM PST

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  •  While I feel this is pertinent. (none)
      I feel it is vitally important to remember that it is not the fact that Gannon or Rove or whoever in the Republican party is gay, but the dirty tricks they played. JGJG should never have been allowed access to the White House Press briefings under a false name.

      Their being gay is irrelevant to the  violations of integrity against freedom of the press. It is the Propaganda that is offensive, not the fact that it was distributed by a  group of gay men.


    People vote for sunshine, not for gloom and doom!

    by missliberties on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 08:59:02 PM PST

    •  Not so fast (none)
      As this post makes clear it is the gay issue which helps you understand the mechanics of this propaganda & the security risks involved.
      •  Yeah I get that (none)
        yet I think it is important that we walk a fine line, so as not to be seen as gay bashing lefties.

        What I can't stand is the hypocrisy of the rights personal attacks on anyone that is a threat, yet when it is an obvious fact that this guy is gay and was running an escort service, which is nothing but pure fact, they whine and cry like little babies.

        They way they attacked John McCain, Bill Clinton and Sen Dascle, etc. no holds barred including impeachment.

          When they have a taste of their own medicine see how they squeal and cry foul. That is what I find distatesful. Not the gay issue.

        People vote for sunshine, not for gloom and doom!

        by missliberties on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 06:57:34 AM PST

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  •  ...just think it as in (2.50)
    the old boys club or the big boys club.  remember the sex scand. coming out about the catholic church.  these gys thought they had the power to do and get by with it and almost did.  for years!!
  •  Well written, and thorough (none)
    The gay issue is, indeed, an underlying note that should be taken into consideration as to motivations and such.  And while I was ready to be dismayed when I clicked onto your diary, I was gratified that you stressed the situational aspects and not the more exploitive aspects.

    I still think that this information is background upon which facts as to money, contacts, and groups paying journalists should be compared against.  Who knew who when, and comparing to the history you write, would be informative.  Not definitive as to the 'why' of WH behavior, but interesting.

    Thanks for keeping it high level.  I still beleive it would be better to keep these discussions as background info gathering only.  Not front page news of interest.  

  •  Dickerson's "client" (none)
    You mentioned Dickerson's companion at one Houston Fundraiser.

    I googled Michael Ames and discovered this cached at (the site doesn't seem to allow me in):

    broken link?
    cached link

    Michael Ames
    Managing Director - Investment Banking
    Energy Group
    Raymond James & Associates
    Mr. Ames joined Raymond James & Associates Energy Group as Senior Vice President in September of 2001 with more than 15 years of investment banking experience.  Prior to joining Raymond James & Associates, Mr. Ames was a Director in the Energy Group at Prudential Securities where he specialized in the exploration and production and oilfield sectors.  Prior to Prudential Securities, Mr. Ames also worked in the Corporate Finance Departments at Merrill Lynch Capital Markets and Shearson Lehman Hutton.  Mr. Ames graduated with honors earning a B.B.A in finance as well as a M.B.A from the University of Texas.

    Contact Information:


    Gee, who would have guessed he was a Texas oilman?

    Anyone know any more about Raymond James Industry? Other than they are an investment firm in Texas?

    Anyway, this doesn't really tell us whether he was a client of Dickerson's or a "client."
    But the connection is interesting nonetheless.

    I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires. - Susan B. Anthony

    by BuckMulligan on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 09:00:44 PM PST

    •  More info (none)
      This cached page has many names and companies that might mean something to someone following Texas cronyism.

      I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires. - Susan B. Anthony

      by BuckMulligan on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 09:16:28 PM PST

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  •  I smell trolls... (none)
    more than a few very clever trolls.
  •  I gleaned and (none)
    There is an Enron connection.
    Nancy and Rich Kinder


    by FOYI on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 09:04:24 PM PST

  •  Read this comment from Raw Story (none)

    Comment by Thom — 2/19/2005 @ 2:38 pm
    """"I have a pretty good idea how Gannon got the WH press pass.

    I am a gay white male. In 1970 I was the national committeeman for the Young Republicans from a Southern state. I attended the YR National Convention in June of 1970 in Phonex, AZ. I met K. Rove at the convention and went to the bar for drinks.
    We had sex at the Del Web Townhouse we left the bar. I was in the closet until I was in my 40’s. Karl needs to get out of the closet.

    Connect the dots.

    Comment by Thom — 2/19/2005 @ 2:38 pm

    by diane101 on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 09:08:38 PM PST

  •  Excellent diary (none)
    and extremely insightful.  The best piecing together of the facts into a strong hypothesis I've seen.  Please write more!  I'll be waiting with baited breath :)
  •  WOW (none)
    This may be the most powerful diary I have yet read on dKos.  At least, for me personally, because it crystallized some things for me about sexual undergrounds and politics/espionage, a topic that's been tickling me since the Manchurian Beefcake story broke.

    A while back I wrote a kids' book about famous real-life spy stories.  I found out that it's AMAZING how many famous spy stories hinge on sex and/or drugs.  My editor was on my case all the time about stuff like "can you take out the part about Mata Hari's boyfriends?" Umm, the answer is kinda NO.  And you can imagine what a treatment of the Cambridge spy ring looked like without any mention of homosexuality or mistresses.  

    My sense of the whole thing is that it's not that gayness or illicit sex caused  treason - but when opportunities for treason came up, having a built in underground, they fell into the "gay" or "illicit sex" framework.

    •  James Jesus and Philby..... (none)
      Another great example of deep penetration into our secret services.
      •  "penetrating" like wallpaper (none)
        What I'm thinking is that this gay sex/illicit sex/drugs underground is just that - an underground. It's always there, underpinning the structures of power.  It's not that there are "infiltrators" or "penetrators" - but some people are more flamboyant and interesting than others (not only to the public but to those within the secret network) and pop out from time to time.
  •  Intelligence agents (4.00)
    I want to make a few points about intelligence agents because I think people have a lot of misperceptions about them (mainly do to James Bond flicks).

    And because I don't want to engage in tin foil hattery, I will not apply this to this Guckert case.  I'll let people draw their own conclusions.

    First of all, most of you don't know what a CIA agent is.  A CIA agent doesn't get paid by the CIA through their payroll department, with their FICA withheld.  That is how a CIA case officer gets paid.  Case officers recruit agents.  Case officers tend to have special aptitudes, like foreign language, or military experience.

    CIA agents come in all shapes and sizes, and the best of them may eventually become permanent CIA assets.

    Here we need to apply some common sense.  A heroin cartel is a billion dollar industry with enormous resources.  They can do a background check nearly as thorough as the FBI.  For this reason, it is very hard to penetrate a drug cartel with someone using a fake identity with a social security number that was only created last week.  It is also hard to make a Stanford graduate with a PhD in Spanish pass as the go-to guy for heroin distribution in Kansas City.

    What you need is an honest to goodness derelict with an established criminal record.  Recruit him to penetrate the cartel and you're in business.

    This has another very important fringe benefit.  If your derelict agent ever gets caught by the DEA or Customs with a planeload of horse, and he starts spouting off about how he is working for the CIA, you can say "Bullshit, this guy is a con-artist with a wrap sheet a mile long.  Look, he assualted his grandmother in 1983."

    The CIA actually prefers to have derelicts for these kinds of jobs.  But Naval Intelligence, which CAN spy on the homefront, is more notorious for actually manufacturing wrap sheets.

    It works like this: you have a guy go into a 7-11 and do a sloppy job of robbing them.  He gets arrested.  They print him, start processing his case, and then Naval Intelligence shows up and the guy gets either released, or he gets an absurdly light sentence.  These guys get lots of tattoos, hang out in rough bars, and basically cultivate an outlaw persona.  The CIA is not known for this because this tactic is primary useful for domestic spying.  

    In any case, we should never be surprised to see someone who is inexplicably successful, a con-man, a chameleon, with a nasty sordid past.

    Sometimes they were chosen BECAUSE of that past, and sometimes that past was manufactured with astonishing meticulousness.

    The Oval Office: Because there are no corners, there is nowhere to make the President sit when he has shamed the nation.

    by BooMan23 on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 09:36:18 PM PST

    •  Like Lee Harvey Oswald (none)
      choose someone with a disreputable past...

      To thine own self be true - W.S.

      by Agathena on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 11:35:45 PM PST

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      •  Oswald (none)
        could be an example of this tradecraft.  He could also be another kind of asset.  A stooge.

        In that case, Oswald would never have fired a shot, never known what was going to happen.

        Whether that is the case or not, it would be consistent with normal spycraft.

        The Oval Office: Because there are no corners, there is nowhere to make the President sit when he has shamed the nation.

        by BooMan23 on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 11:50:24 PM PST

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    •  Sordid Past? (none)
      I'm a lesbian and am having a great time reading this diary and thread.  Great job.  But the justapositioning of drug cartels, derelict agents who have 'nasty sordid pasts' with a gay underworld is getting just a little too close to icky for me.  A gay orientation does not equal sordid or nasty.

      Concerning some of the historical spy rings noted above (Trilby, etc.):  Those agents were recruited at university, they were intelligent idealogues who happened to run with a gay clique.  They were vulnerable to blackmail because of their homosexuality, and probably made such excellent double agents because of their experience living closeted lives.

      The reason most cited for expelling gay people from our government jobs used to be that they were vulnerable to blackmail and therefore could not be trusted in top-secret positions.  However, UNCLOSETED gay folks are not vulnerable to blackmail because they are OUT.

      For those wondering about this secret gay Republican underground, just remember:  these guys are in the closet.  They are mostly white males who love power and the traditional perks of white maleness.  They know that those "other homos" -- the fags, the fairies, the fruits, the pansies, the girlymen -- have no power.  They protect each other.  They live vicariously through the power of others, often the power that they themselves bestowed on the others.  Hence your Karl Roves and your Ken Mehlmans.

      Here's a pertinent analogy:  Twenty-five years ago a bunch of well-off, upper middle class white gay guys, some who had homes in the Hamptons and on Fire Island, began to get sick.  Nobody cared about them, they were marginalized, they had an unspeakable disease.  They didn't understand why nobody would help them, why the government would not even acknowledge them.  Weren't they establishment guys?  Weren't they lawyers and doctors and other privileged white guys who had always enjoy their white guy privileges?  These were mostly closeted gays who had never before experienced discrimination.  Some of them remained closeted, afraid and dying alone, not even admitting they had AIDS because that was the gay disease.  Only fags died of AIDS.  This was Roy Cohn.  But some of them became angry at being neglected, they came out of the closet, they organized and they became Gay Men's Health Crisis and they became Act-UP.

      So try to keep this in mind as you are educating yourselves about this PropaGannon situation.  These are closeted power guys who don't want to be outed and become girlymen like those loser gay Democrats.  They are going to protect each other.  The gay angle to this story can be racy and fun, but, as Padraic said, this gay angle should be only illuminating background information and we should keep our eyes on the larger story.  Thanks for all the great posts.

  •  Brilliant (none)
    Must reading for anyone going off on the flight of speculation fancy about the links through the WH.  Perfectly laid out and totally reality-based.  Thank you, and please press forward with your history.  It'll be necessary reading for anyone interested in politics.

    "I don't bear a grudge. I have no surviving enemies."

    by usagi on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 09:58:01 PM PST

  •  The Texas Cabal (none)
    The whole texas cabal to me seem lurid in so many ways.

    to me it looks like way back when, a bunch of wannabees, hooked up with dubya during his drinking and drug days, saw he was a rich connected guy and thought they could go places.

    It wouldnt surprise me if they had used the gay underground not just for their own dirty tricks but for blackmail too, especially in the 70's and 80's when being out wasnt the in thing.

    It REALLY wouldnt surprise me if the whole bunch of them had spent time on coke having gay sex orgies either.

    finally, I think their whole gay baiting plan is only something gay people could really conceive so effectively. I think you would have ot be gay to truly know how to use that kind of biggotry, and I think they got some self satisfaction out of using straight folk to further their own aims.

    It also helps explain how they run such a tight ship with so few real texas insiders speaking out.

    Gannon may well be the crack that sinks this ship. Somone obviously had a liking for him, and he ended up in a position way above a place where he could keep his mouth shut

    Why would bush be an alcoholic ? It's not like he had ordinary people pressures in his life, more like he had a secret dark side he had to repress if you ask me.

    Then you have the whole thing during Bush I or spence, again, gay activity from Texas.

    I so very badly want a secret gay whitehouse  sex ring ot be exposed so i can watch the right wing fundies heads explode after voting for them. That would be the irony of the century.

    Let the Democratic Reformation Begin

    by Pounder on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 10:20:59 PM PST

    •  alcoholism (none)
      Born with genetic differences, you react to alcohol differently than most of us, don't need to have a deep dark past to be running away from.

      That being said, I don't think he got a lot of loving as a child, Bush 1 had high expectations and of course Shrub couldn't meet those, and that whole denial thing when his sister died was creepy.

      Notice that he really doesn't have very many men as close advisors except for Rove & Rummie? The closest real man was Powell and that didn't work out very well. I am all for equality, but I just think that he can't take too much disagreement from a real man, think Condi, his former advisor, can't think of her name, she came back from Texas for the campaign.

  •  see this article (none)
    Also there are other interesting articles on this site, reg. Bush, et. al.

    "Gannon" scandal leads to link between high-level Republicans, high-level Democrats

    by diane101 on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 10:22:01 PM PST

  •  Roy Cohn rides again? (4.00)
    reading your diary, made me start to think,   and for some reason Roy Cohn's double life and vicious career sprung to mind.   (and now come to think of it J Edgar's)   This wouldn;t be the first time the republican party's dirty tricks squads were heavily populated by closeted gay men.   I wonder if there is something about the inheirent dishonesty of leading a double life that all the rest come easier ?  

    I guess its true what they say: history always repeats itself first as a tragedy then as a comedy

    Knowledge is power Power Corrupts Study Hard Be Evil

    by Magorn on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 10:23:30 PM PST

  •  Padraig, wow (2.50)
    Run, don't walk to the nearest literary agent and please begin your career as a mystery novel writer.  Immediately!

    I am not suggesting what you have written here is fiction - what I am saying is that your writing is superb and professional in quality.

    If you do not manage to profit from this talent you have, it will be such a waste and a crime in my eyes.

    I voted for John Kerry and all I got was this lousy sticker...

    by diplomatic on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 10:34:45 PM PST

    •  I thought so too.. (none)
      I think you could write a great novel something like Primary Colors, but with the gay angle.  Let it become a bestseller, change the debate for a few minutes in the nation.  You are a compelling writer.  What a great read your diary was.  Thanks.
    •  three cheers for the subtle trolling (2.00)
      I am not suggesting what you have written here is fiction, oh man, diplomatic indeed.  You could've not suggested that by, well, not suggesting it.

      A history of "yeah, I'm with you guys, but, um, consider this..." comments, a "yeah, I'm with you guys, loudly and with a bad joke!" sig, and a couple of cheap posts to try to deflate a provocative because speculative diary?

      Party of the closeted, indeed.

      You dudes don't need to be troll-rated, you need to be outed.

  •  Long and yet riveting, wow! (none)

    To thine own self be true - W.S.

    by Agathena on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 11:20:44 PM PST

  •  In psychology we learned (4.00)
    There were studies done where those who exhibited overt oppostions to gays (or fags according to them) were most likely to be sexually stimulated by gayporn. I guess the GOP is a party of people who cant fess up to their own sexuality.

    John Kerry 2008, the leader of the youth of America.

    by desiunion on Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 11:45:47 PM PST

    •  GOP (none)
      Is that Gay Old Party????I have heard "you spot it, you got it" many times in my 12 step meetings....
    •  Maybe they do own up, with crazy Moon logic (4.00)
      Some friends of mine on another website put forward some ideas that I'd been kicking around myself, and I'm going to put them all together here:

      Take a typical homophobic statement from, say, Alan Keyes, that homosexuality is a choice to lead a hedonistic lifestyle.  If homosexuality is, indeed, a choice, then it's a choice any one of us could make.

      Straight folks, go ahead and get turned on by the idea of making it with another person of your own gender.  You don't have to act on it, just choose to be gay for the next few minutes.  Doesn't work, does it?

      There are those, though, who insist that it is a choice, which implies that each and every one of us can choose to be gay or straight, including the speakers themselves.  Combined with the talk of homosexuality as a "hedonistic" lifestyle (as opposed to non-hedonistic straight sex), we begin to get an image of anti-gay crusaders who find the idea of homosexual sex very enjoyable, but who choose to live as straights and deny their urges.

      When you get into the work of biologists and geneticists who claim a genetic basis to homosexuality, it casts conservative homophobes with gay children in a new light.

      •  on the simpsons today (none)
        Nelson is beating up this little fat kid and says "I'm beating you up because you are gay" or something like that, and then the nerdy kid cries out "I'm not anything yet!!!!"
        It's so strange to assign a sexuality to a child. I do remember freaking out like bart did when I heard how babies were made! I was like, "why would anyone like doing that!?"

        John Kerry 2008, the leader of the youth of America.

        by desiunion on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 07:19:23 PM PST

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  •  Thanks for this post! (none)
    Kudos for putting into play some tantalizing conjectures.  The administration's rampant homophobia has struck many of us as "protesting too much."  Nice point about the blackmail nuances, too -- everyone remember J. Edgar Hoover?  Spooks and secrets.  
  •  Very interesting diary (none)
    Wow.  You really filled us in on a whole lot of things.  Thanks for your detailed report and thoughtful inferences.  Various pieces are starting to come together, and maybe immolation will be the result.
  •  My first thought: (none)
    If Gannon/Guckert was a whore, who was his John.  My first thought was Rove.  Rove seems to love stupid gags.  Putting GG in the white house and being able to use him politically while also enjoying his other services would fit in with Rove's arrogant sense of humor.
    •  hmmm.... wonder if Rove (none)
      ever referred to JGJG as a stupid gag....LOL

      I know, I should get back to grading papers. You know how we professors make hundreds of thousands of dollars and only work 5 hours a week.

      "Life forms.... You tiny little life forms..... You precious little life forms.... Where are you?" -- Data

      by terran on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 01:36:28 PM PST

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  •  Reagan Era Prostitution Ring (none)
    Sorry if this has already been brought up, but I keep wondering about that 1989 article  in the Washington Times.

    The article says that the editors "would only print names of those found to be in sensitive government posts."  

    What if there were names on that list that were never revealed because AT THE TIME they were not major officials, but Now they are ?

    We all know that " W " has brought many  of the Reagan Era folks back.

    It would be interesting if someone could contact the Washington Times and go over that old list and compare it to who is in the Administration now..


    •  The Franklin Cover-up (none)
      Is just as huge and complicated as the whole Gannon thing and even includes a civil court case where a 'mind control' victim was awarded $1 million...

      I'm reeling from it all.

      One of the (thousands of) interesting things about the Franklin Cover-Up is the connection between Craig Spence and Don Gregg.

      Craig Spence, Washington socialite and international trade consultant, according to the Washington Times article "spent upwards of $20,000 a month for male prostitutes who provided sex to him and his friends, said to include military personnel who also acted as his 'bodyguards'. "
      (first page of article here. Second page here)

      He also attended a "nocturnal tour of the White House" on July 4 1988 in the company of at least one teenage male prostitute.

      Spence also used to throw parties for the Washington elite, covering his mansion with microphones, two way mirrors and video cameras obviously for blackmailing purposes.

      Spence committed suicide after telling his friends that people were 'out to get him' and that he would be murdered and it would be made to look like suicide.

      Don Gregg was Bush Sr.'s National Security Advisor, implicated in Iran-Contra, now Chairman of the Korea Society... And was the person who Spence said arranged the "nocturnal" tours... Though, obviously, Gregg denied the allegations.

      I wonder if Gannon is going to end up "committing suicide" like Craig Spence...?

      Liberty. Liberate. Liberal. If you're for one, you're for all.

      by ExPatUK on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 07:56:49 AM PST

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      •  An elsewhere blogger thinks so over at (none)

        While he/she basically poo-poos the Gannon story as a non-story, the blogger says at the end of their post of Feb. 19:

        "Although there is a long history of sexual blackmail in Washington, there is not one piece of evidence that Gannon was connected to any of that, and hints of such things, or comments about the legality of what Gannon was doing in his other job, just smack of homophobia. If there is more to this than we have already seen - and the diggers should, of course, keep digging - I know one thing: Gannon is a dead man walking."

        •  Couldn't Gannon Protect Himself (none)
          by letting it be known that he had written down all sorts of secrets, and given the document to his lawyer (or copies to a couple of lawyers,) with instructions to publish if Gannon were to die a suspicious death?
      •  korea society??? (none)
        what does the creepy moonie(korean mafioso) guy have to do with all of this, and what is up with our korean policy???
        •  Possibly a lot of connection to the Spence scandal (none)
          The only (relatively) mainstream media outlet that seemed ready to go after Spence's clients was the Washington Times, which splashed it all over the front page with a promise to name names. Then, the issue just mysteriously dried up, and Gregg was later named to be ambassador to Korea. This may have been the beginning of the now infamous alliance between the Bush family and Moon -- a partnership formed out of necessity, as it were.
  •  This is very helpful (none)
    and valuable. Thanks much. I think you may have hit it. Really one of the most useful posts yet.
  •  WOW, fascinating ideas here... (none)
    ...and quite plausible, IMHO.  Very well written and convincing.  This adds greatly to the already wonderful research done here and on to name a few.  

    I cannot remember a story I have followed so closely in recent memory, and thanks for taking the time to share your ideas.  You have one new subscriber to your diaries.

    Keep up the great work!

    That's it.  Proceed.

  •  A Must Read (none)
    Did anyone happen to see this comment at The Raw Story?
    5.    I have a pretty good idea how Gannon got the WH press pass. I am a gay white male. In 1970 I was the national committeeman for the Young Republicans from a Southern state. I attended the YR National Convention in June of 1970 in Phonex, AZ. I met K. Rove at the convention and went to the bar for drinks. We had sex at the Del Web Townhouse we left the bar. I was in the closet until I was in my 40's. Karl needs to get out of the closet. Connect the dots. Comment by Thom -- 2/19/2005 @ 2:38 pm

    there are none so blind as those who will not see...

    by penglish on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 04:22:45 AM PST

    •  there have been repeated warnings (none)
      about this post being planted misinformation. given how new you are here and how many of your posts have been devoted to this scandal, reposting this (for the second time in this diary) also puts you under a cloud of suspicion.

      The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity. --Yeats

      by JaneKnowles on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 05:35:34 AM PST

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      •  You make a good point (none)
        And I can certainly understand your suspicions...however, other than my assurances, I can offer no evidence of my sincerity (and obvious interest in this topic!). I also understand that the posting I reprinted can also be the product of a repug plant...did not mean to infer it was the truth, just posited it as a comment from another site.

        there are none so blind as those who will not see...

        by penglish on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 07:16:37 AM PST

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      •  i agree (none)
        this particular post is suspicious, but the theory the diary author puts forth is what i have suspected ever since bush has been governor of texas.
    •  Yup, I saw it, too. (none)
      Would like to see more solid evidence, however... though how that would be possible, given the fact the act(s) go back to 1970, is a very good question. Still, somehow, sometime, these bastards need to be nailed to the crosses they allegedly bow to in all their faux born-again splendor...

      "The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion." -- Edmund Burke

      by GulfExpat on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 06:49:34 AM PST

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      •  Well, one bit checks out (none)
        The Del Webb Townhouse Hotel, on Market St. in Phoenix, was the swankiest hotel in town in the early to mid-70s.

        Can anyone verify the YR Convention  date in 1970, or the attendees? Rove would have still been in college, and only 20.

    •  So What! (none)
      Stick with gannon and don't get sidetracked!
  •  Here's the gist (4.00)
    of what I take this diary to mean:

    1. There's a network of closeted gays that are integral to Republican Party politics.

    2. This network was created/enhanced by Karl Rove or Ken Mehlman or both.

    3. Despite the presence of this gay network in the Republican Party, the party used and will continue to use gay-bashing to obtain/retain power.

    4. The Republican power structure and the Republican gay network are terrified that the network will be revealed because this will both alienate the Christian right, who are vital to retaining power, and, on a personal level, because it will out individual members of the gay network.

    5. Some in the Republican Party who vocally claim to be born again Christians may be clinging to Christianity in the hope that it will "cure" them of being gay.

    Here's the thing. If the Republican Party is so terrified that the gay network will be revealed, then why wait to see if the Gannon affair will do the revealing? Why not expose the network here on dKos regardless of where the Gannon issue leads? For starters, I'd like to see a diary connecting as many of the dots as can be connected regarding who specifically is part of the Republican gay network.    
    •  This is starting to make sense... (none)
      Furthermore, I'd guess that a good portion of this group would actually support the anti-gay movement, because open gay marriage would destroy a lot of this network.

      I think the key is to find out who or whom was paying Guckert's expenses, firstly.  Remember, Eberle claims Guckert was a volunteer reporter.

      Once you do that, you start to blow this thing open.

    •  When I was going over the summary (4.00)
      of the 2001 CPAC, I was struck by their apparent belief that the rights in the Constitution are linked to property and therefor ownership.  In other words, the right to bear arms means that the arms have a right to be borne and the right to free speech adheres to the speech, not the speaker.
      This conviction is best expressed by their commitment to "life, liberty and property."  Having property is what makes people free and, conversely, no doubt, people who have no property are nothing.
      If the worth of a man is defined by what he owns, then a man without property is worthless and to be despised--a condition that is probably consistent with how homosexuals come to see themselves as they interact with a homophobic world.
      Now, while they no doubt realize that to the extent their homosexuality makes them feel despised they have no option, the message that ALL MEN are inherently despicable and unworthy but can acquire honor by accumulating property must be welcome to them.
      Being born again seems to mean that you get rid of your old self and demonstrate your worth by acquiring things.  Wealth is important because it demonstrates your worth and it sets you free from the unworthy condition into which you were born.
      I guess what I am suggesting is that the sin of homosexuality is just one of many that can be wiped out by becoming wealthy.

      Granting homosexuals equal rights is immoral because the whole concept of individual human rights is considered to be anti-social.  The moral thing is for individuals to try to redeem themselves from their wickedness by striving to acquire good things.  If the things one owns (property) are unimportant, then the whole world view of these people is undermined.  How are they going to redeem themselves?

    •  Bingo! Which explains the Wead tapes. (none)
    •  Possibility no. 6... (none)
      Some in the Republican Party who vocally claim to be born again Christians may be ready and willing to claim, if accused of being gay, that they once had a sinful past, but that since they found Christ they have mended their ways.

      (Gannon/Guckert himself tried to use that way out at first.)

    •  Because of, not despite (none)
      "Despite the presence of this gay network"

      Perhaps that's an understatement. Others here have convincingly made the point that certain segments of the gay world are specifically inclined to indulge in gay-bashing.

  •  Thank you (none)
    for taking the time to connect the 'blackmail' dots. Somewhere in the WH is a person who has something to hide, and it's their own homophobic politics and behavior, and mindless attachment to power which makes this issue so important.
  •  The Governor of Texas (none)
    I first started coming to DKos last February through a Gawker post the link to a diary about rumors that the Gov. of Texas might be gay. For those who want a walk down memory lane or who may not have been here, here's a link to the diary:

    The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity. --Yeats

    by JaneKnowles on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 06:48:37 AM PST

    •  I heard the same thing (none)
      I heard the same thing and the
      source was a person very well
      connected in Texas politics.
      Even if half of this stuff discussed
      in this diary is true, it is evidence
      that legacy of J Edgar Hoover and
      Roy Cohn live on in the Bush

      The media doesnt like to talk
      about the sex angle of this
      story because it goes to heart
      of DCs covert power structure,
      as opposed to the overt one
      everyone is happy and comfortable
      to discuss.

      Remember - IOKIYAR: Its O.K. if your're a Republican

      by AnneElizabeth on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 08:56:09 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  It's driving me crazy (none)
    First off, thanks for a well-written and thoughtful diary. Very interesting.

    There's another piece to the puzzle, but it's driving me crazy trying to remember it. I just saw the story yesterday on one of the blogs but now I can't find it. There's a guy connected with GOPUSA who attended the convention in 2000 with Eberle. His name is something like Neighbor. There's a picture of him and Eberle(sp?) in big, flashy Texas flag shirts. "Neighbor" has a web site out there with his personal interests, links to various places, etc. All is very normal and boring. But if you read his description of himself, the gaps speak louder than the words. He's single, in his 30's (IIRC), mentions no women and he has various collections he's proud of including Beanie Babies.

    Now, I'm the last person to perpetuate sterotypes, but the whole package just "gushes" (see posts above) that something's fishy. Another link in the chain.

    Now, can someone remind me of this guy's name and his website?

    Plane crazy

    "It is hard to fight anger, for a man will buy revenge with his soul." Heracleitus, 500 BCE

    by PlaneCrazy on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 06:59:02 AM PST

  •  Why the connection between Bobby Eberle and (none)
    Bruce W. Eberle is still a mystery isn't clear to me.  Bobby's GOPUSA collects addresses and Bruce's Omega List sells them.  Whether or not they are related doesn't seem to be important.

    Anyway, everything else in this Diary ties together nicely.  But what I would suggest is that G/G is an unintended consequence.  His introduction into the White House was certainly intended, as was the leaking to him of the Plame information.  That doesn't mean the intending was done by the same entity.

    What I would argue is that he became an unintentional double-agent--that he was turned and used for their own purposes by a bureaucracy that is really pissed about being blamed for something they are not responsible for and even tried their darndest to prevent.

    What better revenge than to hoist the GOP on their own petard?  

  •  What a fantastic analysis (4.00)

    That was probably the most interesting diary I've read on dKos in my short time here, but sister you have GOT IT DOWN.

    I think what are SO interesting here are the almost tangible social forces at work here.  We are witnessing, I think, a profound manifestation of the gay revolution of the past thirty years.  The social climate is perfect for this story to seriously effect the course of our culture.

    Those of us who are gay, I think, often take for granted that being gay or "gayness"  is something completely unknown, unknowable, and mysterious to many people (that deal with these characteristics in  shall we say varying manners.)  I think that's why these dots weren't connected earlier -- being gay, we've all dealt with people in the closet (probably even in ourselves) and so this story just clicks with us.  For most people, this is new and completely foreign.

    And another thank you for helping me realize it's definitely time for coffee, man that was hard to spit out. </obligatory sex pun>

  •  Billmon's take (4.00)
    apologies if already posted. a picture is worth a thousand words.

    "There are times in politics when you must be on the right side and lose." John Kenneth Galbraith

    by susanp on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 08:32:46 AM PST

  •  Interesting- (none)

    Of ten counties with the highest population of gays and lesbians, two are in Texas (Houston and Dallas)  

    This from -Scientific American-March 2005, Census 2000, and The Gay and Lesbian Atlas by Gary Gates, Jason Ost.

  •  this time the dna will be on (none)
    a BLUE TIE

    hope jg/butch got a souvenier.  

    as an occasional diva, i always pegged dubya as a bottom.  & jeff advertised & was rated as a "total top"


    great diary. real page turner.  i think the sex angle is a major part of this story & have no prob exposing the underbelly of gay fundevangelicalism.  homo fascists are still fascists, after all.  & sex sells.  if it weren't for sex, bigdawg would never have been impeached.

    you wanna bigger scandal than monicagate?  get dubya to deny he ever had sexual relations with that man. mr gannon.  HAH!

    thanks again for a great, insightful story.

    You're not to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it or says it. Malcolm X

    by x on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 10:16:33 AM PST

  •  Fabulous - best summary I've seen (none)
    Thank you for bringing your unique perspective to this...I appreciate your using your background to "translate" the lanaguage.

    I hope that you continue to involve yourself in getting to the truth here, whatever it is!

    "Kudos to those willing to stick their necks out over the block, before the rest of us are willing to admit we are reading the diary!"

    by midwestmom on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 10:29:21 AM PST

  •  Rove in Ohio (none)
    Wasn't Rove in Ohio at some point working on a campaign...someone in the "gay community" in central Ohio should do some checking as the "right" questions can be asked or lookied into.

    "Kudos to those willing to stick their necks out over the block, before the rest of us are willing to admit we are reading the diary!"

    by midwestmom on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 10:48:32 AM PST

  •  Gannon links (none)
    I too have been thinking about the blackmail angle...duh! I happen to link last evening to the truthseeker website and spent 4 hours reading the "inside the white house" stuff by TBR news. On Feb. 9, 2005 they have a vague link story about a possible connection between Gannon and Todd Blodgett. (Oct 15, 2004 diary) Blodgett as you may or may not remember was fired from the Reagan Admin. as a prositute who kept a "list" of high profile DC clients. I wonder if there is a "provable" link between Blodgett and Gannon? Blodgett is also a protege of Lee Atwater. Blodgett, btw, did similar work as a "journalist" post firing. He's a seedy character with some scarey links to neo-nazis and gay prostitution. Sounds like our boy Jim/Jeff might fit right in.
  •  great ! thoughtFULL FiredUp! eMAIL BIDEN!!! (none)
     He is calling for investigation

    does he need to see this?

    fax, email, eFax, hand-delivered letter

    embolden BIDEN!!!!!!

    my synergistic story that incorporates this magnificent thread and other at DU and Kos, including new name for scandal COMING

    making sure it's comprehensive and entertaining & disinfo and shoddy FREE

    other threads to stop the dread from DU

    5 things you can do to help make "Guckert" a household name 5658&mesg_id=3145658

    Question of GAY SEX surrounding White House reveal who we have become 564&mesg_id=330564

    this is also about phoneys

    leaders must have unity, peace understanding within themselves or this conflict and havoc repressed is projecting negativity and disharmony to the external human family, 'Field '

    violence, greed...,reacCuRinG..., Jungs' 'bug' of Humanity  

    stop the Havoc
    Lay in the HamMock

  •  update!! rove bush bruce eberle by rr-SCRUBBED??? (none)

    scrubbed= TITLE=

    update!! rove bush bruce eberle blackmail connection BY roseeriter


    wondering? TexasTamperTabulatorsTempesT???


  •  Raw Story (none)
    just had something about that connection.
  •  The Raw Story - still there (none)
    The missing link? Partner of GOPUSA founder has checkered past as Republican moneyman
    Did Bruce Eberle get Gannon top White House access?
    By John Byrne | RAW STORY Editor

    Reporters in Washington are scrambling to explain how a reporter with a dubious past got access to the president, and how his boss-a relative nobody in Republican Party circles-scored an exclusive interview with Bush's closest advisor, Karl Rove.

    The tangled web of how a minor website got such high-level access, and possibly classified information, may have begun to unravel.

    RAW STORY has found a solid connection between the founder of Talon News and GOPUSA and a well-connected relative and business partner whose links to Bush advisors, dubious fundraising and marketing activities and paid commentators abound.

    Bruce W. Eberle-a member of the Bobby Eberle "clan" (according to his former website which Bobby bought), the founder of GOPUSA and Talon News-may be the missing link.

    Many have wondered how Bobby Eberle, an former engineer with no journalism experience who never donated to a political campaign managed to get Jeff Gannon so deep into the White House. Bobby received money from the Republican Party just once-a meager $165 for travel expenses when he spoke to the Smith County Republicans in East Texas. He did not receive an honorarium.

  •  Andrew Sullivan (none)
    Where has he been through all of this?  Based on comments I've seen him make in the past, he seems to be reasonable and open-minded enough to have a decent perspective on the matter.  Maybe even some motivation to clear his own name as a gay Republican and share it with his audience.

    I'm too much for one woman to handle, so none of them bother trying.

    by captnjaq on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 03:02:00 PM PST

  •  please keep this diary up (none)
    as long as possible.

    "how can i find out what i wanna find out if he don't find out what i gotta find out" / chicolini

    by 2nd balcony on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 03:19:40 PM PST

  •  Bruce Eberle - Jeff Gannon connection (?) (4.00)
    Jeff Gannon's photographed partying in Leesburg, VA upper left of map, in 1998.
    Map Quest

    Bruce Eberle's Direct Mail center is in McLean, VA. Follow the magenta line to McLean.

    Bruce Eberle's Headquarters
    from his website
    1420 Spring Hill Road, Suite 490
    McLean, Virginia 22102

    How far is the drive from Leesburg to McLean?

    To thine own self be true - W.S.

    by Agathena on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 04:08:55 PM PST

    •  Proximity (none)
      in this instance may be a good deal less than you think. Leesburg is within commuting distance from McLean, within the general DC metro area. Probably several million people have been in both places within relatively short time spans.

      Which is not to dismiss any potential connection between Gannon/Guckert and Bruce Eberle, just that one photo probably isn't proof.

      There's a nice-ninny priest/at tea in everyone,/all cozy and chatty as auntie,/but a saint comes/and throws rocks through the window. -- John Ciardi

      by Mnemosyne on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 06:48:33 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  There already is a connection, like this (none)
        Jeff Gannon -> Talon News
        Talon News -> GOPUSA
        GOPUSA -> MillionsOfAmericans
        MillionsOfAmericans ->Bruce Eberle

        And now there's a screen grab of Bobby Eberle's Xmas 'thank you' to a list which includes Karl Rove.

        It implies that Karl Rove attended the 2004 GOPUSA Conference.

        Still need to find that direct connection that caused Gannon to evolve from auto mechanic to White House Bureau Chief.

        To thine own self be true - W.S.

        by Agathena on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 07:26:23 PM PST

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        •  yes, thanks (none)
          I should have been more specific. Was trying to say not to get too excited about coincidental geographic connection, as it doesn't prove anything. Didn't know about the screen grab of the thank-yous, though. Where is that?

          On G/G as auto mechanic, plus truck driver, as described in his autobiography: Could those have been things done within the military, then later described as separate jobs for resume padding?

          There's a nice-ninny priest/at tea in everyone,/all cozy and chatty as auntie,/but a saint comes/and throws rocks through the window. -- John Ciardi

          by Mnemosyne on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 07:54:46 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

    •  Eberle in McLean!!!??? (4.00)
      How far is the drive from Leesburg to McLean?

      How far is the drive from Mr. Eberle's office to CIA headquarters should be the question.

      More spooks per square foot in McLean than there were in Berlin just before the wall came down.

      How come no one is asking the obvious question in all of this?

      If our intelligence services see all and know all...and if Mr. Guckert/Gannon is the PERFECT intelligence asset (Compromised by his sexuality, broke, conscienceless, ex-military...perfect.), then just where do the spooks come down in all of this?

      If there is a war going on between the old line of the CIA...the left wing of the right wing, so to speak...and the neo-cons (plus their NEW intelligence boys who have been put in to act as company cops for the administration), then on which side does Guckert really reside?

      Is he a plant simply put there to drop softball pitches in for the Semi-President to hit out of the park?

      Or is he an incompetent patsy placed there by those who would like to take the neo-cons down?

      I'm all for the latter result, myself, but let's get real here.

      If his appearance on the CNN news Friday is any indication, he is a BIG time loser.

      The PERFECT patsy.

      Eyes darting around the room, mouth making obscene little gestures like the maw of a lamprey suddenly deprived of a unappetizing as to be a casting director's dream.

      "Hold it Sid!!! We've got our David Ferrie right HERE!!!"

      He would fit right into any number of supporting roles in the JFK thing, in Watergate...

      So who is this guy, really...?

      During the JFK  and Watergate investigations, there was NOTHING that resembled the power of the internet.

      But now...there are THOUSANDS of us. Let's really find out who this man is.

      What's his military record?

      Has he disappeared from sight for any length of time?

      Has he made any other mistakes?

      And most importantly...where does his money really come from?

      Who supports Talon News and GOPUSA?

      REALLY supports them.

      Follow the money to find the rainbow.

      Follow the rainbow to find the storm.


  •  He should have kissed Bush (none)
    From the Texas Observer-Sept. 1999

    "Democrat Glen Maxey is George Bush's state representative. Maxey is also the only openly gay member of the Legislature."

    "You shoved it down our throat." That much, the Governor's press office does not deny. Then, as Maxey tells it, Bush moved even closer and said, in a low voice, "I value you as a person, and I value you as a human being, and I want you to know, Glen, that what I say publicly about gay people doesn't pertain to you."

    So I guess Bush thinks as long as you hold office it's okay to be gay?

    "I was stunned," Maxey said, adding that that's when "Skippy, the little ACT-UP devil that sits on my shoulder, was telling me to kiss him!" Instead, Maxey says he told the Governor, "When you say a gay person is not fit to be a parent, you're talking about me." (Bush was supporting legislation, which subsequently died in committee, that would have made it illegal for gays or lesbians to adopt children.) The Governor moved on, and Maxey turned to colleagues nearby and made sure they knew what the Governor had said. He even told some reporters - with a request that they hold the story until after June 20, the final day for the Governor to veto bills. After June 20, Maxey began to talk openly about the incident, which is why this four-month-old story is just now coming to light.

    Read the whole thing here: ndraiser+MArch+10+Houston+Texas&hl=en


    by FOYI on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 05:35:10 PM PST

  •  Interesting story but action needed... (none)
    Padraig,  An interesting diary.  I have no doubt that there is something to it.  However far it may go, it will not get to the end of the road.  There is only one way this whole thing can be exposed.  And that is by the gay community joining the dots.  By legitimately tracing the network and outing it.

    This is probably impossible for a straight to do, but there must be enough gays that care about this.  Somebody needs to work out who was doing what to whom and publish it (with good evidence).

    Truckle the Uncivil, Nullus Anxietas Sanguinae

    by Truckle on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 05:37:53 PM PST

  •  Please look at this site (4.00)
    Insider reports from the white house, much more on this site, haven't read all the reports yet.
    In my second-to-last communication I talked about a male ”escort service” [read gay brothel] operating in DC for the edification of the very senior Beltway people. I have, locked up in my office safe, copies of the credit card receipts with names, card numbers and signatures of: two Supreme Court and one Appellate Court judges {Have you heard about the two judges who tried each other?} eight Senators, five Congressmen, two former and one current White House aides, [the latter a very senior policy-maker] a number of very prominent DC lawyers, several senior members of the RNC, four general officers and one Admiral, three of whom are still on active duty [one in the Pentagon], five local newspapermen, eight ministers, high level employees of: State Department, Commerce Department, Justice Department, HEW Department, DC police department, NSA, DIA, and most especially, a number of pundits from Georgetown University and a nice collection of CIA people. The proprietor of this stud farm was one Todd Blodgett and there was a front-page story on one of his male whore establishments in the Washington Times. Blodgett was a Reagan White House aide, was fired from both the WH and later, the RNC, for aggressive homosexual behavior and then tossed out of the University Club in DC.

    by diane101 on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 06:15:43 PM PST

  •  Following the Money on Gannon (none)
    That (linked from that had Gannon threads scrubbed (Gannon himself apparently posted there) has a new comment, this evening, from a new member.  He speculates (sorry, no fancy formatting):

    "In addition to selling himself over the internet, Gucky has also helped gay men hook up with soldiers who need some extra cash. That's how he shows his patriotism.

    The man's a hustler, a pimp, and, if like most pimps with college degress, also a filmmaker. Most guys his age who do what he's done also videotape the young military men jerking off, it's their "screen test" to see if they can satisfy the Johns, and then sell the video on the net. He may also save the names and photos of the johns, to subsequently blackmail them.

    Gannon's gay porn sites are tied into various right wing Christian sites. Most likely, when johns arrange to give a Private a blowjob, its set up so they pay with credit cards over the net to good, God fearing Christian organizations. All those revenues are claimed to be contributions.

    The soldier gets to keep the cash the john gives him. So the guy gets $20, maybe, and Gannon gets $100 or $200. He doesn't recognize it as revenue for his business, or income to him, but as a charitable donation received, so of course, it doesn't need to be reported.

    Now the money that Gucky receives is run through Bedrock corporation -- the last line in the "Flintstones" theme song is "We'll have a gay all [sic] time"--- that's why Bedrock. Bedrock's acted as a factor, financer, and a collection agent. Asserting false claims against families of the recently deceased and offering to improve the credit of economically marginal people, for a fee, are some of the "work" performed.

    Though it's not as entertaining as gay sex, this leads to Gucky AND HIS SUPPORTERS as having the capacity to cross the line from being a sociopath to a psychopath, from being an antisocial, non-violent criminal, to being criminal, even violently so, without conscience. We are not just fighting hypocrisy here, but EVIL.

    The Right claims the moral high-ground while relying upon EVIL criminals to accomplish its objectives. It's not just a gay prostitute who was close to the president, but a grifter, part of a whole group of far-right grifters, stealing directly from the poor and destitute to enrich themselves.

    Getting cash from a general because you gave him a good ride in bed is one thing, getting cash from a young soldier's family, after he has died young, by asserting totally false claims against his widow is another.

    Many readers of this have read Jeff Gannons posts on MensNewsDaily without realizing all this. Now you know. Aren't you proud of how he has served Conservative causes by being in the press room? Aren't you proud of all the extra income he's helped young GI's earn? Aren't you proud of how he said Kerry might be "Our first Gay President"? And if he goes back to coaching high school wrestling during the day, while whoring himself at night, wouldn't you be happy to have him coaching your son?"

    Someone implies the commentor is being extreme.  He replies "What extremism?  I posted FACTS!" but the rest of his comment is gone due to " -moderator edit - ".

    Facts?  Anybody know about these statements he makes regarding what Bedrock did?  Is this speculation, or is there something about this elsewhere?  

    And what about the pimping?  And that "widow" stuff?  Anybody know the background on that?

    Whether the porn sites tie to "Christian" sites or not, the principle of this type of transfer is plausible.

    And I hadn't figured out that "Bedrock" reference; I thought it was like "rock" in "bed" or something - ha.  But THIS makes sense.

    •  sounds like a mish-mash (none)
      and is somewhat incoherent, IMHO

      lots of speculation, little fact.




      •  Gannon DisInfo (none)
        It does sound like cooked-up stuff...

        But what ARE the facts, re: pay?  He WAS paid for all this shilling he's done.  But how, in what form, and by whom?  That token "stipend" from Talon (or USAGOP) sounded paltry.

        By the way, has it been determined if this guy is active-duty, reserves, or what?  That should be right out there, but I haven't seen it.  That's a BIG fact that should be clarified - his military/civilian status.  What's up with THAT?

    •  question/headline we need to see (4.00)
      Does "BEDROCK" refer to Flinstones"gay ole time"

      Sums the story in an accessable and intersting soundbite/headline.

      (a gay ole time with the neanderthals)

      •  Flintstones Theme! (none)
        I think you're on to something!

        The original porn-site designer (cited by Americablog) SAID Gannon mentioned "The Flintstones" when he asked about the moniker "Bedrock".  I didn't "put it together". Surely some folks DID, though, but I haven't seen mention of such...

        Nonetheless, I think it's FAIR to infer this reference.  "They" damn sure would, if the tables were turned.

        Heh, "they'd" come up with this "imagery" as though it were chiseled on Moses' tablet, even if Gannon or the site-guy had never mentioned it, the propaganda-meisters...

        Oh my!  What a musical soundbyte THIS would be! Almost EVERYbody recognizes that Flintstones theme... and knows that final line by heart!

  •  It's like a bad game of Clue (none)
    Or an Agatha Christi novel, written during Agatha's crystal meth phase.

    So far, we have Karl Rove, Bob Eberle, Kenny Boy Lay, Guckert, Scott McClellan and possibly George Bush (a catcher) all as possible closet gays.  I would definitely add Colin Powell to that (such sensuous lips), and of course that old harridan Rumsfeld (ex-wrestler, definitely a pitcher).  And Alberto Gonzalez?  Who's he trying to kid?  Add to that Dick Cheney (a Norman Bates mother figure) and his bi-sexual wife, Lynn.  The only one who doesn't fit is Condi Rice--she appears to be an assexual drone.

    The Adams Family pales in comparison.  No wonder John Kerry refused to talk about Skull and Bones--the whole thing is gay.  In fact, we could be looking at a VRCGC--Vast Rightwing Closet Gay Conspiracy!

    This sure explains a lot--the excessive secrecy, the vicious vendettas against all who violate their Code of Silence, Karl Rove channeling Gay Edgar Hoover, the way they all stick together, no matter what...They must all have so much dirt on each other that nobody can leave or be fired!

    Trouble is, if we're right about this, it's very, very bad news for the country.  These folks won't go down without bringing the country down with them.  Shoot, they appear to be doing just that, even as we indulge in this not-so-idle speculation.  How can we dislodge these parasites??

  •  hypocrisy of the Straussian elites. (none)
    To understand the phenomenon maybe it's best to observe it from afar, as it's played out in different culture. The Saudi princes live a lifestyle replete with booze, gambling, and sex, all of which are prohibited by the state religion which facilitates their power. It's like they say, the rich are different: they can afford vices which the rest can only envy and condemn.

    "War hath no fury like the deskbound non-combatant." Marge Delahunty

    by Ian on Fri Feb 25, 2005 at 03:59:10 AM PST

  •  More on the Houston GOP Money Sausage Fest (none)
    Harper's Magazine last year (March 2004) covered the Houston GOP Money Machine at one fundraising event, and it seemed like a real sausage-fest, but I didn't get many gay implications.  Here's citations about the donors, including some names, and a link to the article:

    "Chad Sweet is a perfect candidate to be raising money for George Bush in Houston. A handsome, dark-haired young banker who works for Goldman Sachs, Chad looks like a grown-up version of one of the rich-but-decent preppy characters on Fox's nighttime teen drama The O.C. One thing that makes Chad a likely fund-raiser for George Bush is that his boss at Goldman, Peter Coneway, was a big Bush fundraiser in 2000....The pretty girl in the party dress is Chad's sister. She is here to help Chad meet his fundraising quota."

    [I actually met Chad during college and know from google that he was recently married; I never got any gay vibes from him; sort of a Donny Osmond type.]

    'Patrick Hughes, a tall, dark-haired attorney in his mid-thirties, who works for Haynes and Boone, a Dallas-based firm with what is reputed to be the largest white-collar-defense practice in Texas, who walks over and shakes everyone's hand [wrote a $2000 check].'
    "Mixing with the plebes by the bar is Joe B. Allen III, the politically wired former senior partner of the Houston super law firm Vinson and Elkins. He left the firm after the Enron debacle. "
    "Thomas Marinis, another lawyer for Enron."
    "The next donor I meet is more forthcoming. Willie Carl of Beeville, Texas, is a pleasant, moonfaced man who proudly claims to be the owner of two ranches in addition to a hunting spread and an office building downtown.
    "Well, good for you!" he exclaims with real pleasure, when I tell him that I'm from New York. When I mention the effects of the summer humidity in Houston, he claps a friendly hand on my shoulder. "We have air-conditioning," he explains.
    A History Channel buff, he also enjoys watching programs about current events. "I'm a Tony Blair fan," he says. "Did you get to hear that Tony Blair speech on Fox? I thought he was Patrick Henry--'Give me liberty or give me death!'" Willie Carl chuckles."
    ""Well, gang, we are doing well in Texas," says the tall, silver-haired man at the podium, Fred Meyer. His sunburnt skin glowing against his white shirt, dark suit, and blue tie, Meyer stands with an easy, aw-shucks manner before a patriotic backdrop in which the flags of the United States of America and the Lone Star Republic of Texas are given equal billing."
    A former captain of the Purdue Boilermakers' marching band, where he played the piccolo, Meyer is a natural master of ceremonies. His ecumenical demeanor hides the true face of one of America's most terrifyingly successful political fund-raisers, the man who transformed the Texas Republican Party front the sleepy, relatively impoverished back-office operation it was in 1988, when he took it over, to the triumphant financial and electoral juggernaut it is to, day, with Republicans in all twenty-nine statewide offices, including two senators, the governor and lieutenant governor, and speakers of the house and the senate. As chairman of George W. Bush's Victory 2000 campaign, Meyer directed Republican fund-raising throughout the fifty states, then he served as fund-raiser in chief for the presidential inaugural."
    "I find myself next to a tall, blond, fit-looking man named Steve Papermaster, who was just upstairs with the President and who says he spent "plenty of time" at the governor's mansion in Austin.
    "We love the Bushes," says Papermaster's pretty blonde wife, Kathy."
    "If Steve Papermaster is in the market for lessons about how to spend his shareholders' money, he could do worse than to look to Michael Dell, one of the sponsors of this afternoon's event. After contributing $250,000 to the Republican National Committee in 2002, Dell received a seat on the President's Export Council, as well as a $500 million contract to provide computers to the Pentagon--a two-thousandfold return on the Austin tech entrepreneur's initial investment, for less than one tenth the cost of one of Papermaster's Super Bowl ads.  Equally instructive is the story of Rich Kinder, the former president of Enron. Healthy and tan, he stands near his wife in a privileged corner by the stage, having suffered no apparent damage from his former employer's implosion--he left the company in 1996 with a $200 Swiss Army watch on his wrist and a $30 million severance package. He also took Ken Lay's personal secretary, a woman named Nancy McNeil. After divorcing his wife Anne and marrying McNeil, Kinder started buying up Enron's tangible assets, parlaying his golden parachute into three companies with a combined market capitalization of $13.5 billion."
    "white-haired Houston banker Ben Love, the former chairman of Texas Commerce Bancshares (now part of J. P. Morgan Chase), and the state's governor, Rick Perry."
    "A young couple near the Papermasters are making out. The girl--brown-skinned, with high cheekbones, bare-shouldered in a black dress with embroidered tulips--is kissing her boyfriend, a blond, bleary-eyed preppy in a white shirt and navy linen suit, as the President praises "the vibrancy of many of the faith-based organizations and neighborhood healers that are concerned about saving lives."
    "A younger black man in the crowd is also pleased. "I'm a homebuilder. I'm trying to do a little modeling and acting on the side," he explains, as we compare our experiences shaking hands with the President. I found his handshake firm and dry, with a well-timed squeeze at the end. From what I could tell, in the second and a half that I shook his hand, the President is a man in peak physical condition.
    He has an athlete's grip. It's a terrific handshake, the homebuilder agrees. A middle-aged ethnic Chinese man named Morgan Lin pops out of the pile; he has brought with him a delegation from Sugarland. "I supported him as governor," he says of the President. "No better man than him."

    A fistful of peanuts: George W. Bush raises $3 million at a mall

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