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I am a Catholic.  I try to live a good and moral life.  I try to help others as Jesus taught.  As such, I am a liberal.  As such, I am a Democrat.

I am a proud member of the Democratic Party.  

And today, I was told that if I do not support President Bush in everything he does, then I do not support Jesus.  I do not support my faith.  I indeed am in violation of my religious upbringing.  

Today was a Declaration of War in its most starkest terms.  It was delivered to me just moments ago when I logged onto this site and read the Nazistic ramblings of a deranged Congressional leader of the Republican Party.  

To Mr. Frist, I say, I hear you, and FUCK YOU.  

You, fucking cat killer Dr. Mengele, will not and cannot preach to me about my faith.  You will not and cannot lecture me on my patriotism.  You will not tell me that because I do not support President Bush and his judicial nominations, that I am a sinner.   I sin often in my life, and for those transgressions I confess to a priest.

NOT TO A FUCKING SENATOR.  NOT TO A FUCKING PRESIDENT.  

Further, I have nothing to confess.  To oppose Bush is not a sin.  It is what Jewish people call a Mitzvah.  A good deed.  

The lesson of Jesus Christ, and for that matter the lesson of all religions, is compassion, unity, brotherhood, faith in an afterlife, and moral values.

The lesson of Jesus Christ is not a political agenda.  Jesus Christ does not pick sides in our fight.  Indeed, the example of Pope John Paul II illustrates this.  He fought against Communism.  Yet he deplored the godless materialism of Capitalism.  He condemned Abortion AND the conservative holy grail of the death penalty.  He opposed murderous dictators like Pinochet and Saddam Hussein, yet opposed the unjust Iraq War.  

Every side of the political spectrum in the United States claimed the Pope as their Champion after his passing.  Yet the Pope did not choose sides.  The sides choose him.  God does not choose sides.  We choose God.  

For one side to claim devine support, and to accuse the other of transgressions against religion is against the examples of the Pope, Jesus Christ and God Himself.

Thus, today was the breaking point.  Today, every Democrat, whether a normal citizen like me or an elected official at any level of government, must hear the clarion call.

WE MUST DESTROY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND ALL OF ITS MEMBERS AND OFFICIALS.  

FUCK THE REPUBLICANS.  ALL OF THEM.

UPDATED: This is now our most urgent priority. Senator Frist must be shamed and disgraced. His career must end based on this one comment alone. Democrats cannot rest until his career is in tattered ruins. Harry Reid should now consider the Nuclear Option exercised, and he should unleash our counterattack. Democratic activists of every stripe must clog the phone lines of every Republican demanding the repudiation of Senator Frist and any Republican who dares utter support of his Naziesque notions. And it must be done now.

Originally posted to Delaware Dem on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 06:00 PM PDT.

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  •  Another member of the religious left (4.00)
    recommends your diary. (I'm also a softie for Eagles fans.) Eloquent rant.

    The public wants what the public gets, but I don't get what this society wants -- Paul Weller

    by jamfan on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 05:55:26 PM PDT

  •  asdf (4.00)
    /WE MUST DESTROY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND ALL OF ITS MEMBERS AND OFFICIALS. /

    Or enough to bring them back to there senses so we can at least have some semblence of being able to work with them

    •  NO (3.43)
      Republicans living today, and I mean all of them, must be destroyed.  

      To find his equal, an Irishman is forced to talk to God.

      by Delaware Dem on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 06:03:11 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  are you (4.00)
        calling for a flood or a rain of salt? :)

        After the ranting, let's pray for healing -- lots of folks who've had the scales removed from their eyes over all of this will need US to show them what spirituality is really all about.

        best,

        •  Today I have come to the conclusion (3.87)
          that there is no redeemable quality in any Republican currently living, if they subscribe Frist's Declaration of War.  

          To find his equal, an Irishman is forced to talk to God.

          by Delaware Dem on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 06:13:52 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  always allow for (4.00)
            repentence, though, right?  

            But it's very true that the sins of omission (refusing to stand up against them) are just as damning as the sins of commission --

            •  The only repetence (none)
              acceptable in this instance is a complete repudiation of Senator Frist by every Republican.  Nothing less will suffice.

              To find his equal, an Irishman is forced to talk to God.

              by Delaware Dem on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 06:26:34 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  gosh- (none)
                who could object to that?  
              •  Two very republican friends of mine (4.00)
                traveled up to Michigan in November so they could vote against Bush where there voes would count the most-- I think a lot of republicans have "got it" already, and God willing, more are getting it by the minute.

                So in my book, as a Christian liberal and democrat who supports the Bill of Rights, Freedom of Religion, Frist can go to hell; but just maybe we can salvage some republican friends along the way.  I'll bet a lot are horrified right now, also.

                Democrats give you the Bill of Rights; Republicans sell you a bill of goods!

                by barbwires on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 07:28:23 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

              •  Hey, Del... (4.00)
                Two minor points.

                1. Mengele, not Mengla
                2. Maybe throw in a link to Frist's comments?

                Rage, rage, against the lying of the Right.

                by Maryscott OConnor on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 07:54:37 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

          •  Well, that's an important distinction (4.00)
            There are millions of Republicans out there, and I'll bet most of them don't agree with the Frist/DeLay atrocity -- or wouldn't, if they got good information.

            I agree, though, that this is a defining issue and a watershed moment.  People who wholeheartedly support what these bastards are trying to do are a danger to our union, and have to be stopped -- though as long as that union exists, I'll do so nonviolently, thank you.

            •  Time to be counted (none)
              If they don't like the theocracy that DeLay and Frist are trying to bring about, it's time for them to speak up. "Eventually," is too late.

              Republicans are poor stewards of America's government.

              by freelunch on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 06:54:23 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  I agree that eventually is too late... (4.00)
                But remember, that so many Americans thought that we were being alarmists when we said that this is what the Administration wanted.  Now, people are seeing it actually happen with the Schiavo matter and the DeLay, Cornyn and Frist statements as well as these wierd groups threatening to impeach conservative judges.  A lot of the people in this country NEVER believed that these right wingers were the threat that they now can see that they are.  Let's welcome the rest of the country to our side.
      •  Delaware Dem... (3.30)
        We disagree on so much.

        But not this. For this, I love you all over again (not that I ever stopped).

        Rage, rage, against the lying of the Right.

        by Maryscott OConnor on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 06:55:26 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Wow. (4.00)
          I am not sure whether to thank you or gauge out my eyes.

          :)

          To find his equal, an Irishman is forced to talk to God.

          by Delaware Dem on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 06:59:18 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Lookie lookie... (2.66)
            We gots ourselves a TROLL in TheLupo.

            What. A. Dick.

            Rage, rage, against the lying of the Right.

            by Maryscott OConnor on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 07:56:42 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  TheLupo seems OK (4.00)
              based on his previous comments. Perhaps he didn't like your picture? I know I didn't.
            •  I guess those of us who (3.33)
              are really concerned with the establishment of a theocracy and what was a very serious discussion and who do not think that this dancing figure adds to the discussion are trolls.  I could say more but lets just leave what I really think about this dancer out of it.
              •  You are new here (3.20)
                Maryscott is not a troll.  Please consider changing your rating.  Rate it a 2 if you must.  

                To find his equal, an Irishman is forced to talk to God.

                by Delaware Dem on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 08:38:48 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  Ok.. So now we will censor each other... (4.00)
                  I understand that the author is not a troll.  I thought we were judging just that one post and not her entire being.   I thought I had a right to say how I felt about this one post.  So am I allowed to have a vote in opposition or are you the Sen. Frist of this site and if I do not like this one comment as opposed to the two hundred other comments this poster has previously made, then am I a non Christian?  I will let my priest know on Sunday and I will contact my Senator, who just happens to be Harry Reid, that apparently, I am not a good Democrat either because I do not agree with everything that some people hold sacred.
                  •  I am so sorry... (none)
                    I certainly didn't envision THIS silliness -- I have now become one of those people who derails a discussion.

                    TOTALLY silly. My apologies for saying anything in the first place -- I can only say this in my defense: Painkillers skew my sense of humour a bit.

                    Rage, rage, against the lying of the Right.

                    by Maryscott OConnor on Sat Apr 16, 2005 at 10:29:27 AM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                •  Troll ratings... (3.66)
                  The "1" is no longer a troll rating. It deems a comment "unproductive." And I can see Lupo's point, though I disagree. I mean, if we're going to start throwing 1's at comments that aer meant to be lighthearted and funny... just because WE don't think they're funny... There'll be an awful lot more 1s handed out.

                  Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria! It'll be anarchy!

                  Rage, rage, against the lying of the Right.

                  by Maryscott OConnor on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 09:14:02 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

              •  Are you HONESTLY telling me... (3.55)
                You think my comment deserved a 1 because I added a funny animated gif? If so, wow.

                Rage, rage, against the lying of the Right.

                by Maryscott OConnor on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 08:39:40 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  I think the post deserved a one because (3.09)
                  the "non funny" gif, in my opinion ( and that is all it is), took away from the post and rendered it unproductive as it did not add to the discussion at hand.   BTW, neither is this snipping.  We all have an opinion.  We just disagree as to what is funny.  
                  •  Comedy is subjective... (4.00)
                    However rating someone a troll based on your interpretation of what is funny is not only wrong, but Assholic. As a new person coming to the party this is not a good way to greet people or announce you wanna chat and play. MSO's words, skill, and wit on this site is Amazing. You will get to know her, her voice and style if you stick around and are welcomed. Someone seemed to like some of your past comments. However this act of ratings abuse is totally uncalled for. You now must prove you are not an Asshole and will spend some time checking the joint out before tossing daggars. As a new member perhaps you should get to know your way around here before carelessly tossing out troll/unproductive ratings. I've been here only 6 months, but at least I got to know the hood before I tossed out some troll ratings (however they were given to REAL Trolls). Good luck..this is a great site and first impressions are important. btw/ lighten up.

                    *We live in a Nation of LAWS* 11th Circuit

                    by Chamonix on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 11:50:14 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                  •  Ratings (none)
                    I think "non funny" gif deserved a freaking 4, but the distiguished MSOC gets a flurry of 4's wherever she goes so I think it is not necessary in this case.  The graphic was fucking hilarious.  Dancing around and showing some balls to boot?  Hell yeah!!  Nothing like progressives splitting hairs with eachother again.  Especially newbies.

                    "They want the federal government controlling Social Security like it's some kind of federal program." - G.W. Bush; 11/2/00

                    by pilotweed on Sat Apr 16, 2005 at 03:13:34 AM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                  •  I think traffic has died down here... (none)
                    enough for this not to be yet another distraction from the actual diary discussion...

                    I just wanted to try and confirm that you received my apology. I behaved badly, there's simply no excuse for it.

                    I keep trying to be a better person, but JESUS, it's taking FOREVER.

                    Rage, rage, against the lying of the Right.

                    by Maryscott OConnor on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 08:12:34 AM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                •  Oh, great. Just great. (3.11)
                  The newbies are downrating me.

                  Rage, rage, against the lying of the Right.

                  by Maryscott OConnor on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 09:23:59 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  Maryscott, You have enough mojo for (none)
                    several lifetimes. And besides that, you KNOW how much you are loved by legions of devoted users of this site.

                    Poor Lupo may be a bit deluded, but he ain't a Troll.

                    Let's move on, shall we?

                  •  For the love of.... (3.00)
                    Get off your high horse. Your dancing gif was unproductive, and the rater rated it as such. While your writing is often excellent, it does not deify you. Neither does saying "The newbies are downrating me." That also is an unproductive post to this topic.

                    We, the underlings of DailyKos, are so sorry for daring to question the elite, infallible  MaryScott.

                    Americans are apt to be unduly interested in discovering what average opinion believes average opinion to be. (J.M. Keynes)

                    by davinic on Sat Apr 16, 2005 at 08:06:46 AM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                •  who gives (4.00)
                  a shit.

                  fighting over points.  WTF?

                  they should just yank this rating system away. it's bullshit.  

                   

              •  you open a diary called fuck (4.00)
                all the republicans expecting what, exactly? Perfect sobriety from all comers?

                Poop.

                Is nothing secular?

                by aitchdee on Sat Apr 16, 2005 at 12:13:47 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

              •  Oh for fuck's sake (none)
                 .... really.
            •  You know what the most ridiculous (none)
              part of this whole troll rating discussion is...

              MSOC was writing a personal note to Delaware Dem (the person who's diary this is) and he rated her a four... and people who have absolutely nothing to do with the discussion come along and rate MSOC's comment a 1 because they don't feel it adds to the discussion...

              Ugh. What a waste.

              •  Yep (none)
                Sometimes people just need to mind their own business with respect to comments, especially if it is specifically addressed to a person (me) and approved of by that person, who in turn replies with a humorous comment.

                Humor is often offensive to the humorless.  

                To find his equal, an Irishman is forced to talk to God.

                by Delaware Dem on Sat Apr 16, 2005 at 01:18:21 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

        •  Oh dear god. (4.00)
          Please tell me I wasn't the one who broke the margins.

          If I was, um, Armando or David, could one of you delete that comment?

          Rage, rage, against the lying of the Right.

          by Maryscott OConnor on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 06:59:39 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  doom and gloomy day - (4.00)
          funny, funky guy. I laughed so hard my left shouder Theocracy Stress Knot unwound a full revolution. Who's the po-faced dope rating it down?

          Maryscott, you're charming. I hope I'm assigned to your detention bloc.

          Is nothing secular?

          by aitchdee on Sat Apr 16, 2005 at 12:08:52 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  'Destroy' sounds like 'death' (4.00)
        and probably is close to some of what their hotter heads think about us.

        I mean, I'd like to deport all of them on several thousand slow boats to China, but that would absolutely be too much.  For the Chinese.

        Break the cycle, bro'.

        One-fifth of the people are against everything all the time.--Bobby Kennedy

        by blksista on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 07:00:32 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Destroy has many meanings. (3.80)
          But one meaning I want perfectly clear.  Whatever they bring to this fight, I will bring ten times more.  

          You don't bring good intentions to a knife fight.

          Or a knife to a gun fight.  

          To find his equal, an Irishman is forced to talk to God.

          by Delaware Dem on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 07:04:03 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  no metaphors of violence (4.00)
            be ghandian, martin luther king-ian.

            "....a relative newbie (user ID in the 18,000 range).. "

            by Miss Devore on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 07:17:25 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  I would normally agree (4.00)
              but not this time.  They have literally trampled on sacred ground for me.  I will fight back by any means necessary, especially when confronted with the same means.  

              To find his equal, an Irishman is forced to talk to God.

              by Delaware Dem on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 07:20:53 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  where the left went wrong on vietnam (4.00)
                wealthy college students planting bombs that killed people who had no discernible power.

                the moral highground is imperative to success.

                "....a relative newbie (user ID in the 18,000 range).. "

                by Miss Devore on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 07:28:37 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

              •  my personal rant (none)
                It is interesting to me to see the fervor of the religious left. Don't get me wrong, I take it seriously, but as a lapsed Presbyterian, I don't get out of shape from the "you're not a good worshiper" accusations; but bring it on. The theocracy issue affects us all, seriously, believers or nons. But I lived in Utah for a while and it was just kind of funny being in the liberated minority.

                Iraq is awful.
                The environment.
                The deficit.

                But somehow, for me, Bush crossed the line when he went into that Treasury building and tried to tell people that there is no Social Security. For good reason, Article 14 of the Constitution forbids this kind of behavior. This was demagoguery of the highest order, and amoral behavior, from the President of the United States.

                To each his own.

            •  be jesus-istic for that matter (none)
              charity over all.

              "....a relative newbie (user ID in the 18,000 range).. "

              by Miss Devore on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 07:21:16 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

            •  Gandhi would be crushed.... (4.00)
              Gandhian non-violent resistance crucially depends on the powers-that-be having at least a vestigial conscience, some morsel of scruple.  The ruling elite opposed by such methods must be capable of shame.  Failing that, they must at least be willing to recognize that if their rule loses all moral grounding in the eyes of the vast majority, it's time for them to go.

              Nothing in the collected canon of Frist, DeLay, Bush, Cheney, or the rest of the criminal gang running roughshod over our country suggests that they have the least shred of morality, decency, scruple, or any other saving moral grace.  They are monsters of corruption and power lust, utterly unredeemable.  Non-violent protest will be met with as much force as necessary, to the smug cackles of the thugocracy in their smoke-filled rooms.

              While I don't recommend concentration camps for our opponents, I think Delaware Dem is right in spirit.  They must be fought by all fair means, and occasionally a few foul ones perhaps.  They will not give up:  they must be beaten away from the levers of power.

              Journalism is yours! www.propagannon.com. Help us support ePluribusMedia

              by Dallasdoc on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 10:42:28 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  asdf (none)
                they must be beaten away from the levers of power.

                How? There's a lot of this rhetoric flying around in this diary, but no one seems to want to explain how this will be done.

                Gandhian non-violent resistance crucially depends on the powers-that-be having at least a vestigial conscience, some morsel of scruple.

                No, it doesn't. It depends on the people, who are the conscience of any nation, hearing the message and acting accordingly.

                "I have lived with several Zen masters -- all of them cats." - Eckhart Tolle

                by catnip on Sat Apr 16, 2005 at 09:28:08 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  In response (none)
                  The ability of the people to throw off a criminal, power-hungry cabal is far from assured.  Looking around the world, there are no end of examples of corrupt regimes oppressing the people they claim to govern:  it is almost the rule rather than the exception.  Against Gandhi I would pose Tienanmen, Myanmar and Pol Pot.  It would be nice to think Gandhi's methods would inevitably succeed, but that ignores far too much human experience.

                  As to how we beat the criminals away from the levers of power, I think almost all of Daily Kos is devoted to trying to find that answer.  I gave a precis of my thoughts in your late-March diary on this subject, and I know you have other good ideas to contribute.

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                  by Dallasdoc on Sat Apr 16, 2005 at 09:40:45 AM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  examples (none)
                    I can also provide examples of quiet revolutions, such as the recent election protests in the Ukraine.

                    Isn't it the cause of all progressives to bring an enlightened agenda to the table?

                    "I have lived with several Zen masters -- all of them cats." - Eckhart Tolle

                    by catnip on Sat Apr 16, 2005 at 09:54:26 AM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  I don't think we disagree... (none)
                      We can both provide examples on either side of the question about non-violence.  My point is that it will work in some situations (including British rule in India, and--to a lesser degree--in the US' recent past) and not in others.  

                      Of course we should bring an enlightened agenda to the table.  But how we advance that agenda is the issue.  What measures are necessary to bring it into being....  Principles and actions should be congruent, but perfect consistency sometimes has to take a back seat to the dirty realities of life.  Compromises to principles should never be made lightly, but should be made when absolutely necessary for the higher good.

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                      by Dallasdoc on Sat Apr 16, 2005 at 10:03:32 AM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

            •  why I liked MSO's visual non-sequitur (none)
              Would that we could be all virtue all the time, but impending rule by lunatic priesthood is scarier than fruitbread. And DelawareDem is reacting hotly, overheating rhetorically--appeals to pacifism prolly won't help (I was poised to post much the same advice). But an absurd swaybacked ululating freak with royal blue nuts? I must be insane. I found it cathartic, poetic almost. It just struck me as the perfect reaction. A brilliant sensibility on that girl.

              Is nothing secular?

              by aitchdee on Sat Apr 16, 2005 at 12:54:12 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

          •  As a Buddhist (none)
                I bring good intentions to every fight.

                I also bring superior firepower. :)

                                              SR

              "Where Zen ends, ass-kicking begins."

                                    "Steven Hyde"
                                        That 70s Show

          •  Screw the guns (none)
            But one meaning I want perfectly clear.  Whatever they bring to this fight, I will bring ten times more.  
            You don't bring good intentions to a knife fight.
            Or a knife to a gun fight.

            Screw the guns. If you were to add nitric acid to the soap-making process, one would get nitroglycerin. With enough soap, one could blow up the world, if one were so inclined.

            I could tell you more, but that would violate the first two rules of my club.

      •  Now, now (none)
        There are many repugs today who would not even know what you are talking about, that would not support Frist if they did know.  As I matter of fact I know one, just a common everyday uninformed voter.  I am in agreement with you on those in the senate.
      •  Hell yea! (none)
        This is the best comment I've read all day.

        I'm in.

        Does George Bush remember he put his hand on the Bible and swore to uphold the Constitution, and not the other way around? -- Bill Maher

        by ragnark on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 07:24:03 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  What was his exact comment??? (none)
        "Senator Frist must be shamed and disgraced. His career must end based on this one comment alone"

        I read the New York Times article but I don't remember frist's being quoted.

        Its not easy being a Floridian.

        by lawstudent922 on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 07:38:12 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  That he (none)
          says if you oppose just one of President Bush's judicial nominations you oppose people of faith and religion.  

          To find his equal, an Irishman is forced to talk to God.

          by Delaware Dem on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 07:45:27 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Yeah that's stupid... (none)
            My mom is an Episcopal Priest and gasp a liberal.  

            Bishop Desmund Tutu is her hero & I doubt he would support any of these nominees.

            Its not easy being a Floridian.

            by lawstudent922 on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 07:57:44 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  Technically Frist is right (none)
            In opposing all of Bush's nominees I am aware that I oppose many people of faith and religion.  

            People of misplaced faith, of shallow hypocritical faith.  People of corrupted, manipulative religion; religion serving the ends of those in power, as religion has almost always done.

            It is a badge of honor to oppose these people, of this faith and this religion.

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            by Dallasdoc on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 10:46:41 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  It's just the slippery slope thing... (none)
            They used the race-card to get Rice confirmed. Now they use the religion-card to get other extremists confirmed. By you not having an effective counter against those cards - i.e. their emotional blackmail - I can see why they use them. America is programmed to run on emotions and the rethugs make the best use of it in their manichean view of the world.

            Restore Democracy!

            by high5 on Sat Apr 16, 2005 at 04:36:43 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

      •  Destroy them all? (none)
        Most of them are mostly clueless. Show them the horrifying, anti-conservative, anti-American facts about their leaders. Destroy not them, but their thoughtless and ill-informed allegiance.

        And no, this doesn't apply to the small, vocal fraction that creates or cheers this mess. It merely applies to the quieter majority, of which a few percent might actually be turned.

        I seem to recall that turning a few percent sometimes makes a disproportionate difference.

        I support decentralist media: ePluribus. You can too.

        by technopolitical on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 08:07:43 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  You motivated me to write my first diary... (4.00)
        Its been a year since I started posting comments, I noticed that someone posted (a republican) in response to your Diary saying that these kinds of rants make the left look insane and how they are never going to get the Rights attention.  So I began to go off on him/her but it got too long.  THe gist is, Bush has been saying Fuck You to the left, the right and the world constantly and you are just responding to that.

        http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/4/16/0266/81012

        Its not easy being a Floridian.

        by lawstudent922 on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 09:25:35 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Like this: "Are you now, or have you ever (none)
        been, a member of the Republican party?"

        "No, senator, never."

        That is now the goal.

      •  asdf (none)
        Republicans living today, and I mean all of them, must be destroyed.

        That's an explosive comment and it's definitely rallied like-minded kossacks behind you. Now, just exactly how do you plan to destroy all of them?

        I don't agree with your aggressive comments, but I'm willing to take a look at what you have in mind. What's the point of ranting to such an extreme if you don't present a plan of action to go with it? Simply contacting elected representatives is done here every day and that certainly hasn't destroyed anyone in this administration. Surely, there's more involved than that?

        As far as I'm concerned, anger is a very destructive emotion and I'm closer to believing finally that it is not necessary to have anger in my life as a motivator. But, for those who do believe it does some good as far as motivation goes, the expression of anger must then be followed by some positive action. That's where I'm coming from. How about you? Can you match the level of your anger with an equal amount of action?

        "I have lived with several Zen masters -- all of them cats." - Eckhart Tolle

        by catnip on Sat Apr 16, 2005 at 01:16:27 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  You didn't go too far (none)
        in the diary, contrary to some opinions. But you did cross the line with this post.
  •  All of them? (4.00)
    I hear you on the general idea -- great rant!  But seriously, I think the tactical exercise here is not only to oppose this odious new attack from Frist and co., but to watch closely to see how Republicans line up...  This, more than any election or ethical issue thus far, is going to separate the wheat from the chaff.  

    I like the two party system, and in my ideal world we'd have a loyal opposition Republican party to nip at the governing Democrats' heels.  But isn't the game here pound the "salvageable" Republicans over the head?  I know you're ranting, but let's use the Fristibuster to shame the Chafees, Snowes, and [pick your favorite non-Taliban Republican] back into the reality-based community under the Constitution?

    Loyalty comes from love of good government, not fear of a bad one. Hugo Black.

    by Pondite on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 05:59:59 PM PDT

    •  This is really very simple (4.00)
      there are two types of Republicans - Fascists and apologists for the fascists. The diarist is right - fuck them all, they deserve no less.

      Either way to be a Republican in this climate is to be a part of the problem.

      'Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it'. - GBS

      by stevej on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 06:13:23 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  simple, perhaps, but what is it that we want? (4.00)
        A vote to preserve the filibuster (i.e., against the nuclear option) is a vote we want regardless of who it comes from.  This isn't about notches on the belt, it's about avoiding a major change in the operating rules at the very highest levels of government.  We need a particular substantive outcome.

        So, what would Sun Tzu tell us to do?   Surround your opponent on three sides to make him go the way you want -- don't force him into a dead end so fights even more fiercely!

        Let's make it EASY for the fence-sitters to do the right thing, even if they are in most cases apologists for fascists, war-criminals, and torturers.  I say by all means give Snowe, Collins, et al. a chance to save face!  

        Loyalty comes from love of good government, not fear of a bad one. Hugo Black.

        by Pondite on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 06:27:28 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  And then (4.00)
          tell them they can FUCK OFF too when we're done with them.

          It's the RULE OF LAW, stupid!

          by Rick Oliver on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 06:41:45 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  I don't see our points (none)
          as being contradictory. I am with you 100% that we still need to think and act strategically on immediate short term goals.

          I just think that my initial statement needs to be the overriding mood music for want of a better term. Lets start shaming the moderate Republicans onto our side - No retreat no surrender - its time to stand our ground, we are right and this is not up for debate any longer as far as I am concerned.

           

          'Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it'. - GBS

          by stevej on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 07:02:47 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  Yes (none)
          President Johnson (Andrew, that is) was NOT impeached by exactly one vote. All it takes is one vote, don't push that vote over the edge.
      •  Only fascists and apologists? (none)
        I think there are many who just aren't paying much attention. They aren't wearing jackboots or speaking out as apologists, they're making dinner. They haven't thought much about what all this means.

        The trick is to horrify them into rethinking their political habits.

        I support decentralist media: ePluribus. You can too.

        by technopolitical on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 08:11:45 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  A democracy needs monitoring (none)
          from the bottom up - not paying attention is not an acceptable excuse.

          I agree completely re horrifying them into rethinking their politics. If we don't do it their own side will and by then it will be to late.

          'Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it'. - GBS

          by stevej on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 08:26:48 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  A lovely rant indeed. (4.00)
    They are truly the goatfuckers.

    "Everything I eat turns to money, and my drawers are full of cash." The C&J Cafe.

    by Baldwiny on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 06:01:10 PM PDT

  •  Ooooh! (none)
    Nicely done, DelDem! Great rant!

    And I couldn't agree more.

  •  Take some advice (4.00)
    from The Rude Pundit;

    If Republicans can invoke Christ, then the Democrats can invoke Reagan since most of the judges that said Terri Schiavo must die are Reagan appointees. What's wrong, James Dobson and Bill Frist, are you sayin' that Ronald Reagan was a fool? Are you saying his judgment was worthless? Are you sayin' that the Gipper really was a liberal?

    Make 'em make a choice: Jesus or Ronnie. Make 'em have to repudiate Reagan. Force them to eat their own.

  •  shit, you mean the world is grey? (none)
    and you are correct, we must destroy the republican party.
  •  I think they may be destroying themselves. (4.00)
    Question is will the public even be made aware of this attack, or is the mom of Michael Jackson's accuser admission of lying what they care about?

    Given MSNBC has not one word of Frist's constitutional jihad and a big 'ol ugly pic of MJ topping the front page I think we know the answer to that question.

    Fuck 'em all. Word.

    •  it may be up to (4.00)
      the progressive churches to slam it down their throats at services, etc.  We know we can't rely on the press (sigh); we have to go grassroots on this one (any format, any excuse to bring it up to a group), which maybe more effective, anyway.
      •  The missing piece to the puzzle (4.00)
        is the lack of progressive Christian spokespeople to counter the Dobsons and Falwells of the right. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton aren't getting it done.
        •  AMEN to that... (none)
          Where are the progressive Christian people of faith?  The Jewish and Muslim leaders have repudiated the Frist statement.  Where are the Christian leaders?  When did Jesus say to vote for either party or that their leaders were infalliable?  Jesus never said any one was infalliable except God, despite what my own Catholic church says about its leader when the Pope makes his pronouncement. No one here on earth is perfect and any religious person who says otherwise is a liar, a fool or both! And Frist wants to be President?  Who is he kidding- neither he nor Bush are infalliable.  And silly me, I thought only dictators refused to have anyone question them.
      •  See Lakoff's Thread (none)
        Social Justice Sunday April 24.

        Ask YOUR reverend, pastor, rabbi, mullah, etc. to participate.  And those of us who are not religious need to stand with those of us who are.

        The time to ACT is now.

        Beware the everyday brutality of the averted gaze.
        ePluribus Media - Donate!

        by mataliandy on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 07:58:58 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Essentially... (4.00)
    ...the Repugs are now blaming this Country's problems on those in oppostion, the non-believers, the Democrats, the liberals, atheists, progressives, etc.  Some may find the comparison offensive but if this isn't the spectacle of Nazi Germany newly risen, I don't know what is.  There, Jews, non-aryns, Gypsies, homosexuals and others were the repository of all that was wrong with the world.  As a Jew and Democrat I am truly frightened about the direction those in power have chosen to take.  This is a dangerous path.  Thank you for your rant.  

    Be the creature. (But not a Republican.)

    by boran2 on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 06:15:53 PM PDT

    •  I wholeheartedly AGREE (4.00)

      To find his equal, an Irishman is forced to talk to God.

      by Delaware Dem on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 06:17:41 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Let's not become like the opposition... (none)
      Not every Republican is evil and not every Democrat is good. (Witness Lieberman and what used to pass as a Democrat, Zell Miller.)  We should try to gather coalitions of those who may be fiscally conservative but socially liberal as well as those who understand that the Taliban comes in all religious persuasions and that America is NOT, nor SHOULD IT EVER BE, a religious state.  Americans are a religious people but there is no state religion through the beauty of the American Constitution.  One other thing.  It is interesting that the Radical "purportedly Religious" Right, would equate disagreement with a President with disagreement with Jesus Christ.  And they claim to be Christians?  I thought that Christians believed in Jesus Christ as their Saviour and not George Bush as the saviour.  
  •  Whether it's evangelical fascists hiding behind (4.00)
    a bible, or national fascists hiding behind a flag, their agenda is never about either God or Country. It is always about their own lust for power.

    Frist and his band of pseudo-christian jihadis are all shitbirds, every last one of them. Beneath contempt.

    Defeat the sound-bite.

    by sbj on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 06:17:18 PM PDT

  •  Bless me Father Frist for I (4.00)
    have sinned, these are my sins....FUCK YOU AND YOUR MOTHERFUCKING PARTY!(except for the 6 that we need to stop the current insanity)..oh yeah...Joe (Pro-Torture) Lieberman...FUCK YOU TOO.

    *We live in a Nation of LAWS* 11th Circuit

    by Chamonix on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 06:17:51 PM PDT

  •  Frist... (4.00)
    Frist isn't even Catholic himself, is he? I mean, who the Hell is he to go around judging (yes, that's an intentional word choice :P) the quality of your faith? Frist ain't the Second Coming, that's fer sure!

    Luke 18:9-14, NIV

      9To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everybody else, Jesus told this parable: 10"Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11The Pharisee stood up and prayed about[a] himself: `God, I thank you that I am not like other men-robbers, evildoers, adulterers-or even like this tax collector. 12I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.'

       13"But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, `God, have mercy on me, a sinner.'

       14"I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."

    Right from the Savior's mouth, so to speak.

    (Yeah, it's not precisely accurate here, but it's close)

    The Shapeshifter's Blog -- Politics, Philosophy, and Madness!

    by Shapeshifter on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 06:18:46 PM PDT

  •  Yay!!! Delaware Dem's back in form! (4.00)
    Excellent rant.
  •  Good diary. Are you related to Maryscott? (4.00)
    (hee hee!)
  •  sfd (none)
    Amen brother/sister
  •  Its working (none)
    nobody is talking about DeLay...

    They are skillful.

    If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of progress?

    by nupstateny on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 06:21:39 PM PDT

    •  DeLay (none)
      Hey, we were talking about him yesterday and we'll talk about him again tomorrow. We deserve one day of rest once in a while!
    •  But we can be MORE skillful (4.00)
      We wrap this whole theocratic nightmare tar baby up and tie it in to Delay's total hypocrisy and his miserable excuse of a performance as a statesman and a human being ....

      And it's all theirs, baby.

      One big Republican night sweat that the nation wakes up from at once.

      Iraq, the tanking economy, fascism, theocracy, lapses of ethics, undermining the constitution ... it's ALL theirs. I'm ready to shove it down the whole self-righteous throat of this traitorous party.

      •  It doesn't take this much skill (none)
        This is ALL ABOUT Terri Schiavo for the American public. That's where they first saw the attack on "activist judges" revealed for what it really is. That's what's behind this attack on American constitutional principles.
  •  I think this has been written before (4.00)
    but it's worth repeating: Jesus was a liberal. Not the "reasonable" kind that conservatives love to quote, but a serious radical that scared the crap out of conservative religious and political leaders of his day.

    He told the poor they could get into heaven when all the teachings of the time said otherwise. He liberated women and treated them as equals in a time when that was unheard of. He visited among lepers and other outcasts.

    Once and for all -- Jesus was a hardcore, extreme liberal. And we, liberals who fight for social and economic justice, are following in his footsteps.

  •  I support a two party system but (4.00)
    I want two reasonable alternatives. If the choice was between Dems and Greens I would be perfectly happy.

    Conservatism/talibanism has no place in the 21th century. We don't want to go back to the Middle Ages, thank you very much.

    American Talibans and Bin Laden - united in taking us back to the Middle Ages

    by Joe B on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 06:32:57 PM PDT

    •  With all due respect... (none)
      What these bozos are spewing is hardly conservativism.  I can deal with a real and honest conservative, even find some common ground for compromise.  These assholes are much more aligned with fascism, IMHO...
  •  Fabulous diary. Only wish I had 5 & 6's to (none)
    give out.

    DD has voiced exactly what I've been feeling for awhile now.  Fuck 'em all!!!  Anyone who voted Republican is partly responsible.

    "But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. --- "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat. "We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."

    by dnn on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 06:45:21 PM PDT

  •  Here's what I said yesterday on a post, (none)
    regarding dems who supported the warcriminal Negroponte.  

    But it equally applies to the R's who unanimously support him, and who are anti child, anti environment, anti peace, anti security, anti worker, anti parent, anti education, anti intellectual, and now (apparently) anti constitution:

    FUCKTHEMFUCKTHEMFUCKTHEMFUCKTHEMFUCKTHEMFUCKTHEMFUCKTHEMFUCKTHEMFUCKTHEMFUCKTHEMFUCKTHEMFUCKTHEMFUCK THEMFUCKTHEMFUCKTHEMFUCKTHEMFUCKTHEMFUCKTHEMFUCKTHEMFUCKTHEMFUCKTHEMFUCKTHEMFUCKTHEMFUCKTHEMFUCKTHEM FUCKTHEMFUCKTHEMFUCKTHEMFUCKTHEMFUCKTHEMFUCKTHEMFUCKTHEMFUCKTHEMFUCKTHEMFUCKTHEMFUCKTHEM, etc.

  •  Verily! (4.00)
    Fuck them, and fuck the factory that made their underwear too tight!

    Fuck them, and fuck the tiny-penis gene that has tormented them so!

    Fuck them!

    There!

    "Who told you that you were naked?" Genesis 3:11

    by mrhelper on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 06:48:10 PM PDT

  •  Jes think what fun we'll have (none)
    after we regain the Senate in 2006, and the nukuler option is allowed to stay in place.

    Heh heh heh heh heeeeeh.

    The dark at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming age.

    by peeder on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 06:52:54 PM PDT

  •  stop the media whores (none)

    u can't f*** the repubs until u bring down the corporate media and their fellow whores.. was wondering on epluribus post if someone could ask helen thomas about gannon, and came across this today:

    Who You Calling A Journalist?
    Search For Truth More Important Than Title
    Helen Thomas, Hearst White House columnist
    Who is a journalist?
    That is the question that Jeff Gannon, alias James Guckert, asked in his own defense during a National Press Club panel last week...
    Bush comes to his rare news conferences armed with a list of reporters his staff has designated for him to call on. In giving Gannon the nod, he passed over some of the regular White House journalists -- including yours truly -- all with our hands up...
    Gannon was a propagandist, a flack for the White House. Thus, he fails to meet the requirement -- as Wasserman wrote in the Miami Herald last September -- that "anybody who enters the (journalism) profession makes a core commitment to do his or her best to determine and tell the truth."..
    http://www.thewgalchannel.com/helenthomas/4377193/detail.html

  •  WAR (4.00)
    We must think WAR.  

    At all times.  Even when they hold out a supposed olive branch.  Don't believe it.  Cut off their fucking arm instead.

    When I see this generation of fake-Christian corporate-whoring fascists pass from power, then we can talk truce.

    Not before.

    Until then, fight, and kill them dead.

  •  Oh, and one more thing, Senator Frist (none)
    stop making money off abortions, and I might half buy into the sincerity (if not the veracity) of your argument that liberals are un-Christian.

    The public wants what the public gets, but I don't get what this society wants -- Paul Weller

    by jamfan on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 07:06:11 PM PDT

  •  They Should Shut Their Piety Holes (none)

    Things that make you go "Hmmmmmm".

    by bhuddaboy on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 07:06:36 PM PDT

  •  Sic Frist, Smokey! (4.00)
    Sic balls!

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    "Who told you that you were naked?" Genesis 3:11

    by mrhelper on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 07:10:17 PM PDT

  •  Here's the deal: (4.00)
    I am a liberal. This country was founded on the principals of liberty.

    They are conservatives. This country was not founded on the principals of conservatism.

    This is not a theocracy. They are not Republicans. They are the American Talaban.

    They must be stopped.

    •  A conservative would conserve liberty (none)
      ...and Constitutionality, rule of law, and America's liberal traditions (if not these new-fangled progressive extensions).

      You have it right when you say "They are not Republicans." By historical standards, they are alien invaders.

      The radical right is anti-conservative.
      That is, they are against the values of much of their base.

      This is the great wedge issue. To use it means highlighting the split and showing conservatives that "The party has left them".

      I support decentralist media: ePluribus. You can too.

      by technopolitical on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 08:25:10 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Don't take their bait. (none)
    Fight them with compassion.  It'll confuse the hell out of them.

    Pleased, pleased, pleased to meet ya! Chesnut-sided Warbler, every spring.

    by petewsh61 on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 07:17:28 PM PDT

    •  I have no compassion left (none)
      These fascists need to be fought with every weapon at our desposal, by fair means or foul, by a fair punch or a sneak kick to the crotch.

      Thanks, DD, for your call to arms.  It's so sad to see this country dying the way it is.

      "All you want to do is something good. So get ready to be ridiculed and misunderstood." --Aimee Mann

      by asskicking annie on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 11:51:59 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Imagine if the Germans had squashed the Nazi party (4.00)
    ...before Hitler was invited into the government.

    Imagine all the lives that would not have been lost or ruined.

    Amen that you don't bring good intentions to a knife fight. You come prepared to give back what they're dishing out but BETTER.

    Look 'em in the eye, say "See you in Hell", and unleash the combined power of everyone, Christian or not, religious or not, left or not, who is not about to take orders from some self appointed fundy fanatic wack job whom Jesus Christ would have reviled as a 'whited sepulchre'.

    As Aragorn said in "Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers", "Show them no mercy for you will receive none!"

    -- Life is tough: Three out of three die. Now shut up and deal. ~Ring Lardner Jr.

    by Eleftheria on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 07:17:42 PM PDT

    •  AMEN, ALLELULIA (none)
      enuff said
    •  It's funny that you mention... (none)
      ...the Two Towers.  I've been feeling like Frist is that orc with the torch running towards the wall bomb at Helms Deep.  We know exactly how significant this situation is, and we need all the arrows we have to take this fucker down before everything gets blown to pieces.
    •  people (none)
      basing philosphies using movie references sure says a lot about the state this country is in.

      Movie cliches and buzzwords.  The vocabulary of America.

      •  Well, (none)
        Jesus spoke in parables...and Aesop used fables.

        So what's wrong with using movies and "buzzwords" to make a point?

        "It's an unnerving thought that we may be the living universe's supreme achievement and its worst nightmare simultaneously." -- Bill Bryson

        by Cali Scribe on Sat Apr 16, 2005 at 12:30:01 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Ooh aren't WE a tad snobby... (none)
        I must warn you, you mess with Tolkien geeks at your peril ;).  

        If you'd prefer a more intellectually respectable quote, I wish I could find the one in "The Prince" in which Machiavelli says when you take someone down you don't just depose them. You kill them, you kill their allies, you kill everyone in their city, you kill everyone in their family and their extended family. You leave no one left to mount a counterattack or seek revenge.

        American political movements have always been driven by buzzwords and slogans. From "Give me liberty or give me death!" through "54-40 or fight!" through "We have nothing to fear but fear itself". Can't recall any offhand from Aristotle, Sun Tzu or Machiavelli.

        The undistinguished bunch of Quislings who are the majority of the Democratic party would do well to contemplate Tolkien's take on what happens when you try to appease people who want to destroy you (Sauron), when you naively fail to notice a turncoat in your camp (Saruman), and when a vicious minority cows a passive minority (The Scouring of the Shire, not in the film but in the book).

        Tolkien fought in the trenches in WWI and lived through WWII and there is a lot of wisdom in what he wrote. I did my senior thesis on "War in Two Worlds"--comparing "War and Peace" and "The Lord of the Rings." Luckily I didn't have a snooty teacher who sneered at Tolkien because he chose to tell his story in an imaginative world of his own creation.

        Oh wait, so did Plato in "The Republic", Thomas More in "Utopia" and George Orwell in "Animal Farm" to name but a few.

        "The Lord of the Rings" is a powerful statement about good people risking everything to battle tyranny. Quoting from it in this discussion is hardly like quoting from the latest Ashton Kutcher flick.

        As to the subject at hand, bringing the Christofascists to a screeching stop ASAP, I will close with a quote from Yoda:

        DO OR DO NOT. THERE IS NO TRY.

        -- Life is tough: Three out of three die. Now shut up and deal. ~Ring Lardner Jr.

        by Eleftheria on Sat Apr 16, 2005 at 12:37:21 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  I hope this comes across (none)
        in the way I intended it too.

        This is Friday - traditionally a day of snark and community bullshitting. This is the night we may drink together, bond a little and get to know each other so we can come together and kick some ass later.

        I have read through your posts to get a feel for why you are here.

        I get a sense of deep anger from you. A few of your posts indicate that there may be some racial issues that I would really like to hear you speak about. It seems like a subject you have a better grasp of than I do - and would be something you would have a great passion about. I could be wrong, but that was my impression.

        But lots of your other posts here seem to be random, borderline nasty jabs thrown at whoever is in your way.

        You can not base your impression about what is meaningful to someone based on a passing reference to popular culture. If that was all that happened here, you would have a reason to worry. It isn't - so perhaps you can lighten up a bit? At least post some comments with a little depth before you call everyone on their lack of substance.

        I was serious when I said it sounds like you have something to say. I hope you do.

        The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity. - Harlan Ellison

        by SeattleLiberal on Sat Apr 16, 2005 at 01:45:08 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  I agree (none)
    Did you call Frist's office, and what did  you say?

    Take action every day: www.rapidresponsenetwork.org

    by JLFinch on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 07:30:34 PM PDT

  •  When you say destroy the Republicans (4.00)
    I assume you mean the professional politicians and not the deluded Kansans who were fooled into putting them in office, right?

    Tonight I talked with a neighbor who used to be chairman of the Republican Party in this county. She is livid about DeLay, livid about the Bankruptcy Bill, livid about the possibility of theocracy, and above all livid that HER party has been hijacked by extremists.

    It would have been unChristian of me to have pointed out that the signs were all there before the election, when she voted for Bush, so I avoided any semblance of gloating.

    There are some Republicans who do actually see what's happening, and they should be preserved at all cost.

    Alterius non sit qui suus esse potest. - Paracelsus

    by asterlil on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 07:30:51 PM PDT

    •  We Can't Depend on Them (4.00)
      Last fall many people said moderate GOP types would swarm our way.  Maybe a few did, but not enough.

      Truth is, they will not vote for us.  I'm always surprised when GOP friends speak poorly of their leaders, but, they will always go with them.  Just being a Republican now, and admitting it in public, means you hate us and everything we stand for.  We are seen, by them, as fools who haven't a clue.  People who think that way aren't going to convert overnight.  Best you can hope for is that they stay home next election, and, of course, don't reproduce.

      Try working on people who are not voters or Independents, they lean towards us and aren't siding with the bad guys yet.

    •  your friend will vote GOP again (4.00)
      Yeah, she talks a good game now, but in 2006 and 2008 and 2010 she will come up with more excuses for voting Republican. The Dems just didn't nominate a decent candidate (this after the right-wing lying hate machine smears our candidates again).

      I am fucking sick and tired of these so-called principled Republicans who are shocked, shocked that extremists took over their party. Where have they fucking been?

    •  F' em all... (none)
      coz ultimately all republicans think they're better than everybody and entitled to imposing their world view on others.  who u bullshitting?
  •  Post your letter to Frist (none)
    Here's where you can post a comment/letter to Frist,  and for around three dollars your letter will stay on this site for a week for others to read.  Let's bombard him with letters.

    congress.org, Frist

  •  Is it time (4.00)
    for Jews to leave?  Gays?  Muslims?

    Combine this with the crazy fuckers Scalia and Thomas, and you really do have a recipe for theocracy.  See what they said about States establishing religion, and discriminating based thereon.  Here's an LTE I sent the Miami Herald, published right before the election (I like to think I saved a Jewish vote or two, for all the good it did):

    As America prepares to vote in the coming days, one consideration is the future of the Supreme Court.  The issue most people consider when thinking about the Supreme Court is abortion.  However, the Court hears many cases every term, some of equal or even greater import than Roe v. Wade.  In the coming few years the Court will hear challenges to religious freedoms that many now take for granted.  One of those freedoms is freedom from an official religion, now under assault by the conservatives in the Court.

    The issue is the meaning of the First Amendment, and its application to the States through the Fourteenth Amendment.  Justice Thomas and Justice Scalia, Justices President Bush cites as his models for new appointments, have suggested a conclusion that would permit individual States to establish public religions, and to delegate some state authority to churches.

    In a dissenting opinion in Lee v. Weisman, 505 U.S. 577, 112 S.Ct. 2649, 120 L.Ed.2d 467 (1992), Justice Scalia wrote "The Establishment Clause was adopted to prohibit such an establishment of religion at the federal level (and to protect state establishments of religion from federal interference)."  The import of the last statement might well be hidden by its location in a parenthetical statement, but it can not be underestimated, for it is the heart of Justice Scalia's opinion.  His final position is that States are free to establish official religions.  Further, he would only limit such establishment to prohibit 'actual coercion,' "acts backed by threat of penalty" by the State government.   In other words, short of statutory punishment, such as imprisonment or fine, a State could establish an official religion, delegate to it official state functions, and permit any limitations on privileges short of criminal punishment.    

    Justice Thomas built on Justice Scalia's Lee dissenting opinion in his own dissent in Elk Grove Unified School District v. Newdow, No. 02-1624. Argued March 24, 2004--Decided June 14, 2004, the recent Pledge of Allegiance "Under God" case.   He introduced his opinion stating "I would take this opportunity to begin the process of rethinking the Establishment Clause."  Justice Thomas opined that the Establishment Clause protects only the States, and not individual rights.  

    Justice Thomas went on to discuss exactly what he meant by "state establishments," describing official endorsement of a particular religion throughout State governmental authority.  He began where Justice Scalia left off, agreeing that coercion through force of law and threat of penalty remained prohibited.  However, he wrote "[i]t is also conceivable that a government could 'establish' a religion by imbuing it with governmental authority, or by delegating its civic authority to a group chosen according to a religious criterion."  He did not state what authority could be imbued, or what civic authority could be delegated.  If the only limitation is criminal punishment, such authority could include limitations in State employment and contracts, religious requirements to participate in after-school activities, which the Court conservatives have described as privileges, not rights, and many other things we presently take for granted.

    Religious liberty will be part of the Supreme Court's docket in the near future.  With the imminent retirement of several Justices, it is difficult to predict how cases will be decided.  However, it is not difficult to anticipate that any new Court will effect the freedoms of all Americans, and particularly Americans in religious minorities, for at least a generation.  The future of America as a nation welcoming everybody, and permitting everybody to strive for the American dream, will be threatened by a crazy quilt of official state religions, forcing minority Americans to flee to the few states where they are welcome, clustering in scarce new ghettos where they can pretend they remain equal citizens to their neighbors.

    Follow the money. It leads to the truth.

    by dhonig on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 07:35:22 PM PDT

  •  And the fucking horse they came in on! (none)
  •  Better title(?), Delaware Dem? (none)
    Can you get the same passion across with a better choice of words? Something that takes more creativity than your choice, and more time to come up with?

    The sentiments in your diary I do agree with. (Your wording could detract from your message.)

  •  Damn, DD (none)
    now I REALLY want to set you up with my sister!

    Well said, darling.  Great representation of who you are and what you believe.

    Kisses, Mrs P

    "It's not like I never want to bite people...I just know it's wrong." Satchel Pooch

    by Mrs Pastor on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 07:48:29 PM PDT

    •  I love your sig- (none)
      I'm really a cat person, but while Bucky is funny, I LOVE Satchel. He has a pure soul- and pure souls are a rare commodity these days.

      "History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce." -Karl Marx

      by Lainie on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 08:36:39 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Thanks! (none)
        We currently have a cocker spaniel and he is sooo Satchel. Bucky is pretty funny, too, love his narcissistic evil side (reminds me of our other dog, a beagle).

        "It's not like I never want to bite people...I just know it's wrong." Satchel Pooch

        by Mrs Pastor on Sat Apr 16, 2005 at 08:59:32 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  a mitzvah, btw (none)
    is both a "good deed" and a commandment

    Jews are commanded to do good deeds, and we are blessed with this commandment

    opposing Frist and his Taliban can certainly be described as a mitzvah

  •  Looks like the Democrats (4.00)
    Are finally starting to grow a spine..

    At a closed-door luncheon Tuesday, members of the Democratic caucus were presented a stack of more than 260 press editorials from 41 states...arguing against changing Senate rules to prohibit judicial filibusters.

    That's quite a change from a year and a half ago, when many editorial boards criticized Democrats for blocking confirmation votes on President Bush's judicial nominees.

    The turnaround has flummoxed Senate Republicans and conservatives...

    ..."They turned it around," the aide said, and "one can suggest that it's because of our lack of organized countermessaging."

    Of course, this is just one step, far from what is necessary but I guess you have to start somewhere.

    Its not easy being a Floridian.

    by lawstudent922 on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 07:54:46 PM PDT

    •  Republicans (none)
      I'm begining to think (And yes, Perhaps I'm seeing the glass as half full) that the republican's have over reached, and we are now watching the begining of the begining of the end...

      ............................. He makes Reagan look smart, Nixon honest, and his father coherent .............................

      by wrights on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 09:15:21 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Amazing (4.00)
    I consider myself a non-religous Republican, and while I do agree with your point that Frist is an idiot for even going here, I have to say that your post is threatening and hyperbolic.

    For you to believe that all Republicans should be "destroyed," gives me a really sick, troubling feeling that makes me extremely thankful we have a second amendment.

    Your assumption that all Republicans buy into this garbage is just as delusional as Frist's words.

    You guys should really be focusing on taking these words and showing them as idiocy to the American people.  It's the only way my supposed opposition party can keep this bullshit fringe rhetoric from surfacing in my party leaders.

    •  You must denounce Frist (none)
      for me to have any respect for you.  Do it now, and then we will talk.  

      To find his equal, an Irishman is forced to talk to God.

      by Delaware Dem on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 08:04:19 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Dude, (none)
        Read the first 2 sentences before responding.  

        "while I do agree with your point that Frist is an idiot for even going here,"

        •  Gotcha (none)
          And thank you.   Now, forever how long these bastards are in charge, I suggest you do not vote Republican.  For any office.  Punish your party for the leadership it elects.  

          I apologize, but I and all religious Democrats and liberals were personally attacked today, and I am fucking pissed off.      

          To find his equal, an Irishman is forced to talk to God.

          by Delaware Dem on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 08:13:33 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Um, (none)
            I'd have to point out that Frist saying some rather divisive rhetoric will hardly make me abandon the party, rather, It will me make me push harder to let my party know this will not be tolerated.

            I think the veiled whispers of threats, and now blatant orders of destruction are a deadly spark to play with in politics.

            Especially if word gets out to the self-serving-Jeebus backed wing of my party that the idoltrous left is now organizing their destruction.

            Waco 2 anyone?

            •  I am sorry Ether (none)
              Your Party started this.  My Party will end it.

              Republicans call me a Communist, a Terrorist, UnAmerican, unpatriotic, and now, if I oppose them, I am against GOD.

              FUCK THAT.  

              If you do not leave your party over this, you are a Republican of whom I speak.  There is no changing this Republican Party.  It must be destroyed by force like the Nazis were destroyed by force.  

              To find his equal, an Irishman is forced to talk to God.

              by Delaware Dem on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 08:42:06 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

            •  I see you left your foul mouth at home tonight. (none)
            •  Armageddon maybe? (none)
              It will me make me push harder to let my party know this will not be tolerated.

              I'm sure Frist is shakin' in his boots and really cares about your opinion.  So when your "push harder" tactics don't work, what do you do then?

              Frist is a disgrace to Humanity, and all Republicans would do well do distance themselves from him and his cronies.

              BTW, the Left isn't organizing the destruction of the Republican party - they're doin' it themselves.

            •  Ether... (none)
              ...30 year GOP activist here.  Check out my website to help start the revolution to take back the GOP:

              http://inthearena.bravehost.com

              "The beginning of thought is in disagreement -- not only with others but also with ourselves." - Eric Hoffer www.InTheArena.bravehost.com

              by Thinking Republican on Sat Apr 16, 2005 at 05:10:19 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

    •  You may have a point... (4.00)
      ...specifically about threatening violence.  BUT:

      You guys should really be focusing on taking these words and showing them as idiocy to the American people.

      I don't take advice from Republicans.  Yours is  the party that's trashing this country like there's no tomorrow, and you've used every filthy trick in the book to get and keep power.

      So don't give me "you guys should," please.  Why in the world would we take advice from the enemy?

      •  Because some of us... (3.25)
        ...are more pissed at the GOP than you could ever POSSIBLY be.  Thing is, you guys don't know how to mobilize it on a timely basis.

        The VERY MOMENT I saw the Swift Boat nonsense, I contacted the Kerry campaign and advised them to kill it.  They told me they had "knocked it down on their website".  DUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHH!!!!  NOBODY FUCKING READ THEIR WEBSITE!!!

        I've also posted here a whole series of diaries about turning around the Democrat message to counter the radicals now in control of my party and how to bundle your message in lines that Joe Everyman -- working 80 hours a week at two jobs -- will have time to digest.

        NOBODY LISTENS.  You lose elections.  You have nobody to blame but yourselves.  I've tried, but you're mostly hopeless.  And your post proves you're unwilling to listen.

        "The beginning of thought is in disagreement -- not only with others but also with ourselves." - Eric Hoffer www.InTheArena.bravehost.com

        by Thinking Republican on Sat Apr 16, 2005 at 05:08:09 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  bullshit (none)
          Yep.  More self-aggrandizing GOP bullshit.  

          You lose elections.  You have nobody to blame but yourselves.  

          As do you.  And don't be so smug -- many more losses are coming for the GOP, because of its arrogance -- like you just displayed above.  

          Where I live, in Minnesota, the Dems did GREAT in November, gaining lots of seats in our state hourse.  And with smug arrogance like yours, you're headed for an even bigger fall.

          I've tried, but you're mostly hopeless.  And your post proves you're unwilling to listen.

          No, not willing to listen to Repub spin like this.  And I never have been.  Listening to people like YOU is what got the Dems in trouble.

          Hopeless?  Please. Your party is beyond redemption.  You can't seem to help letting the extreme rightwing nutjobs take charge of it.  Why don't you quit your idiotic, patronizing "advice" to us and go clean your up own damn house.  It's full of liars and fascists.

          You really want to help?  Go smack some sense into your own party.  'Cause it's headed for a BIG fall.

    •  Thought your name was familiar, Ether (4.00)
      This is you today:

      I have to say that your post is threatening and hyperbolic.

      ...Aaaaaaand this is you yesterday, talking like a REAL Republican:

      Kos,
      Same old petty, immature namecalling again ehh?

      I sincerely hope right-wing blogs start referring to you by the Farsi interpretation of your moniker, "cunt."

      It's fitting considering your cowardly, pathetic drivel.

      I know, I know, your not a coward because you paid off your credit card bills thanks to the don't ask, don't tell policy.

      I love the fact you pseudo-intellectual moonbats have nothing else to resort to but insults when your envy takes over.

      I think, I won't even bother posting here at all anymore considering I've now tainted my brain by indulging in your mindless bullshit.

      Well done Cunt(kos), I sincerely hope dildo infatuation becomes the foundation of the Democratic party.  No wonder the DLC treats you all like spoiled little children.

      P.S.

      I pray for the day you run into a family member of one of the "mercenaries" you so ruthlessly pissed on upon their deaths.

      Your a fucking coward whose only motivation for serving was to serve as future political fodder for your wacked out lefty one-world dreams (not to mention paying off all those dildo inspired credit card charges).

      Envy on, cowardly Cunt.

  •  More of these, please (none)
  •  I share your frustration with the fuckers... (none)
    no doubt about that. But please, no threats or metaphors about violence because that's exactly what the wingnuts want.

    Frodo failed. Bush has the one ring.

    by Agent of Fortune on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 07:56:37 PM PDT

  •  BARBAR BOXER (none)
    ON BILL MAHER!!! RIGHT NOW (Eastern Standard Time)

    Its not easy being a Floridian.

    by lawstudent922 on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 07:58:40 PM PDT

  •  First of all, (4.00)
    Frist is making a huge mistake.  I remember the dilemma of John F. Kennedy, in 1960, when it was feared that as a Roman Catholic, he would take instruction from the Pope as to how to govern this country.

    This was his response:

    I believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant nor Jewish -- where no public official either requests or accepts instructions on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of Churches or any other ecclesiastical source -- where no religious body seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its officials -- and where religious liberty is so indivisible that an act against one church is treated as an act against all.

    None of us can express that sentiment any better, so I suggest that we use that exact quote.

    That being said, I think Frist's little religious diversion will not have its intended effect.  Schiavo was a PR disaster.  People don't LIKE government acting as if they are being spoken to by God.  I think it's going to backfire on them mightily.  AND ruin Frist's chances for 2008.

    And if they go for the nuclear option, let them. If this is their opening salvo, it's great for us.  Repubs went nuclear because GOD told them to do it?

    BTW, has anyone looked up the religions of the 200 plus judges that were confirmed during the Bush presidency?  I bet the overwhelming majority were Christians.  That's why THIS tactic is so stupid.

    We do not rent rooms to Republicans.

    by Mary Julia on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 08:01:51 PM PDT

  •  I'd like to make this suggestion: (4.00)
    Don't fuck Republicans.
    And make it known that you don't and you will never fuck Republicans.
    Might make a good T-shirt now that I think of it.

    News is what powerful people don't want you to hear. Everything else is publicity.-Bill Moyers

    by jazzmaniac on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 08:17:31 PM PDT

  •  I agree. Fuck 'em all... (none)
    These asshats are attempting to turn this country into the very thing they are trying to dismantle in other parts of the world with their racist, illegal warmongering... An extremist religious society. What's next, clerics as judges and Christian madrasas teaching kids how to hate infidels?

    These people are sick. They must be stopped...

  •  Did I say this out loud? (none)
    I could swear you took this right out of my brain, the place I have been hiding it for months, afraid to say "Fuck all Republicans".
    Well I would like to join you in saying it loud and clear.

    How many times do we have to give a pass to half the Republicans with the hope that they will turn on the other half.  They aren't going to, and we should stop being nice and hopeful and begging and hoping and hoping  and lying in wait with baited breath for it to happen.  Fuck them.

    It isn't going to happen.  The Republican lites are scared to death of the evil republicans and their answer instead of having guts is to turn their backs on us and America and play along while we are playing along hoping that they will notice us.  It isn't going to happen.  Fuck them.

  •  I have been saying "fuck then all" (none)
    Oh, I finally did it. I said "fuck" in a post online. Maybe the cursing police will come to get me.  But I have been saying this in my head, ever since I changed from a repub and the assholes who are still repub, and don't listen to me, tell me they don't want to hear it.  

    Of course, they don't want to hear the truth.  They  want to live in their little fricking bubble world, where all white men have all of the rights.  Funny, every woman I worked on saw the light.  It is just the men, who have their wives under their thumb, who are resistant.  So I, too, say "Fuck them." Including my family, ex-friends, and anyone else who is too damn lazy and afraid to look at the truth here, the truth of what is going on in our country.

    I fear my fellow Americans - not any foreign people.

    "If you are not outraged, you are not paying attention."

    by adigal on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 08:33:22 PM PDT

  •  Passions have been inflamed (none)
    Dividing lines have been drawn.

    We must be able to offer a positive vision.

    I suggest that the Grand Old Party of Invading Privacy stay out of my business.

    People vote for sunshine, not for gloom and doom!

    by missliberties on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 08:35:01 PM PDT

  •  I thought it was a sin for Catholics (4.00)
    to fuck animals.
  •  Little helpful hint (none)
    It's spelled Mengele, not Mengla...

    But other than that, great diary. Sometimes we all just need to rant.

    And as a cat-lover, Bill Frist offended the shit out of me to begin with. We need start holding those moral values people to their hypocrisy when they get so sanctimonious about the lives of fetuses and human vegetables yet apparently overlook killing poor innocent kittens.

    I wish we could just run ads showing cute little kittens and then facts about Frist's cat-killing past. But he has already apologized got it, and politically I can't imagine it would work. Although if the not-so-Swifties could pull it off, anything could go. How about....

    Animal Shelter Veterans for Truth!!!

    Democrats do it better on the Senate floor.

    by sparklegirl on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 09:15:25 PM PDT

  •  Well, you certainly got the Christian message (none)
    down pat there.

    The lesson of Jesus Christ, and for that matter the lesson of all religions, is compassion, unity, brotherhood, faith in an afterlife, and moral values.

    Goes nicely with:

    God does not choose sides.

    Goes nicely with:

    WE MUST DESTROY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND ALL OF ITS MEMBERS AND OFFICIALS.
    FUCK THE REPUBLICANS.  ALL OF THEM.

    Exactly how does your diary live up to your first two quotes? Exactly why would I want to live in a world run by people who're saying what you're saying? Exactly how is it different from what Frist is saying?

    How on any scale of thought does your last statement contribute to anything positive?

    You know, having Republican relatives at times seems like a boat anchor in life. At other times, it forces a person to maintain a level head, an even-handed perspective.

    Then you go further off the deep end here in comments:

    No
    Republicans living today, and I mean all of them, must be destroyed.
     

    Good heavenly days, get a grip. I also work with Republicans who are moderates. Good people, who, for instance, agree with me that no party ever should manipulate votes for gain.

    At a loss for a coherent conclusion, but no doubt it's about putting your Christian ideals to work, practicing what you're preaching. Unreal.

    Reframing the news and people's views of our world: HeroicStories.com, free subscriptions.

    by AllisonInSeattle on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 09:15:44 PM PDT

    •  May I suggest you start (none)
      actively telling your moderate Republicans friends to denounce Frist and leave the Repubican Party immediately.

      My inflammatory rhetoric is justified here.  I will not back down from a fight.  I will not be punched in the face and not punch back harder.  

      Is that a sin?  

      Of course.  

      Is that Christian?

      Of course not.

      That is the whole point.

      All Christians are sinners.  We are not perfect.  We thus must confess our sins every Sunday or in our prayers.  

      We only strive to meet the standards set for us in our faith.

      What the Republicans are doing is far far far worse.  They are sinners too, but they claim divine inspiration and accuse us of heresy, treason and God knows what else if we dare oppose them.   This is not about which party is the better Christian Party.  This is about neither party can ever claim such a thing.

      To find his equal, an Irishman is forced to talk to God.

      by Delaware Dem on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 09:26:09 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  for once I'm with Delaware Dem (4.00)
      I was raised by a Rockefeller Republican. I am so sick and tired of these so-called moderates who keep voting Republican and then act like they can't be held responsible for what assholes like Frist and DeLay do. They should open their eyes and take responsibility for the actions of the party they support. Fuck them if they don't.
      •  It is quite simple (4.00)
        This was the last straw.  If a Republican is principled yet horrified at their current leadership, then they must not vote Republican again until more decent moderate and truly conservative people, a la Gerry Ford or Rockefeller, take back their party.

        If they vote for a Republican while DeLay, Cheney, Bush and Frist are still in charge, then they are as guilty as the aforementioned.  And I will hold the same contempt for them.  

        No more pussyfooting around.  It is time for war.  

        To find his equal, an Irishman is forced to talk to God.

        by Delaware Dem on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 09:42:11 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  DD's anger (none)
      does not detract from his overall message...just as Jesus taking the whip to the moneychangers in the Temple did not detract from His overall message.

      Your "moderate" Republican co-workers can join in reclaiming their party from the clutches of the Religious Reich...or they can keep blindly pushing the little button marked "R" and continue to contribute to the problem, like the Germans who watched Jews and others carted away and shrugged, saying "Nicht mein Problem."

      "It's an unnerving thought that we may be the living universe's supreme achievement and its worst nightmare simultaneously." -- Bill Bryson

      by Cali Scribe on Sat Apr 16, 2005 at 12:18:03 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Everybody has a breaking (3.50)
    point when rights are under assault; it's just that some do it based on altruistic principles of equality and justice for others and others wait until it affects them personally.  Democratic outrage should have began with the GOP assault on the bodies of women and rights of gays and lesbians, not to mention standing up for all those who would be killed in an illegal war that a majority of Americans should have been able to percieve was being sold to them like snake oil.

    But those weren't all that important to you were they Delaware Dem?  In fact weren't you suggesting that those were negotiable?

    I'm not terribly interested in waging a battle over who has the better image of god be it Christ, Yahweh or Allah.  The Catholic Church, your church, was very helpful to the election of Mr. Bush in 2004.  Your Pope was not helpful to the equality of women and gays.  Your Pope was not helpful to the liberation theology movement in Central America; crushed it and sided with the Reagan administration that armed the murderous thugs.

    I'll join a battle for the preservation of the Constitution including separation of church and state that will allow you and others to pray to whatever deity you choose.  "It's the Constitution, Stupid."

    What FDR giveth; GWB taketh away

    by Marie on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 09:36:24 PM PDT

    •  Oh please. (none)

      To find his equal, an Irishman is forced to talk to God.

      by Delaware Dem on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 09:43:50 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Good points. (none)
      I'd have rated it a 4 except for the uninformed attack on DD. Personally I don't see a way to ever respect the ones who voted for Bush a second time, but the religion thing is more complex. I think American Christians of every stripe have much to answer for, and that discussion has to come sooner or later. But that's potentially bridgeable. I'm not sure the one between Republicans and all that's decent can ever be healed. Anybody paying attention now knows that either the GOP will be destroyed as political entity or America will be destroyed as a society.
      •  The charge was not (none)
        uninformed -- wouldn't have included it if were and even checked with another dKos reader on my recollection since what was written was deleted.

        What FDR giveth; GWB taketh away

        by Marie on Sat Apr 16, 2005 at 11:20:08 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Marie (none)
          I oppose abortion, but support choice.  After the election I, as many, did some soul searching about why we lost.  That diary was a part of it.  But God forbid we actually discuss abortion and if our position was wrong.  I was troll rated by you and others into oblivion for simply voicing my opinion.  

          To find his equal, an Irishman is forced to talk to God.

          by Delaware Dem on Sat Apr 16, 2005 at 01:26:07 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  That's right, you were (none)
            willing sell the freedom of women to make their own personal decisions about their own fertility for potential political advantage.  Just as many were willing to do to gays and lesbians.  Many in the past were willing to do to Jews and African Americans.

            I don't even know why so many men feel it is so incumbent upon them to have a personal position on abortion.  It's not like you will ever be faced with making a decision about what is in your body.  And please not the "life begins at conception" argument.  I can respect JPII's position that nothing should interfere with conception except willpower better than all the others that split hairs.  But even there, how natural is "willpower?"  If there is God, she gave us brains with more capacity than to exert control over our sexual urges.  She gave us reason, knowledge and the capacity to develop other means to protect the earth and ourselves when our animal instincts and physical structures were no longer adaptive.  We know real environmental damage is being caused to the world by overbreeding.  We know real damage is done to childen with bad parents.  We know real pain and suffering is done to people throughout the world from inadequate food, contaminated water and conflicts.  Anyone really "pro-life" would be working on those real dangers to real autonomous human beings and not abortion.

            It's not just whether or not one is "pro-choice" that concerns me.  Everytime anyone even repeats, I'm personally opposed to abortion, a message is sent that it is wrong.  Girls and women hear that and it makes their own choice that much harder.  Some hear that echo and don't abort -- creating yet another child that wasn't wanted.  Others abort and are saddled with guilt for it.  Those are heavy burdens to put on others even when they can still choose.    

            What FDR giveth; GWB taketh away

            by Marie on Sat Apr 16, 2005 at 02:02:45 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  hmm don't think it was the troll (none)
            rating.  I did save those three posts I made to that diary by copy and paste. Before you deleted. You had deleted diaries before and I suspected you would again.

            You have a nice evening.. organised and whipped into shape... ;)

  •  Frist makes Trent Lott (none)
    look like Ted Kennedy.
  •  Well said... (none)
    $5 says he backs down and doesn't participate. Of course, I'm thinking rationally, and what use is that in a right wing meme.

    In terms of the nuclear option, I've reached the point where I welcome it. The only way we're going to make gains against these idiots is all out war.

  •  dude yes thank you (none)
    as a liberal christian...  I'm feeling the same way...

    But I'd like to extend a big fat fuck you to the democrats in washington too...  i'm so glad God gave me two middle fingers for a fucked up two party system.

    On one side I have Fake christians mocking my beliefs on the other I have retaliations on the stupidity of following the cross.

    Not every christian is a member of the 700 club.

    And as much as I find putting a Jesus fish on a vehicle annoying (i think putting anything on a car is rediculous...  where does road rage come from...?  there's been plenty of times i've wanted to bump those "W" sticker hummers)  the darwin fish are just as stupid.

    as much as christians can love...  we can also extend a big fat fuck you (but forgive me lord)...

    democrats need to realize this and return fire...  would Jesus really want to be a part of choosing judges?  uhm...  as Christians know there is only one judge.

    "Christian conservatives" need to learn the benefits of masterbation...

    "children of the gone lost and forgotten, minds rotten The arcade shot em, Channel Zero on the TV got em" PE

    by chrissabian on Fri Apr 15, 2005 at 10:18:43 PM PDT

  •  You forgot... (none)
    the word "HARD."
  •  We're reading your e-mail... (4.00)
    ... and listening to your phone calls.

    Ignore that odd clicking sound.

    Thanks you.

    -- The Bureau of Homeland Security

  •  You can destroy the Republican Party agenda. (none)
    If you don't like what the Republicans have done for the last 10 years and what they plan to do this year then you can help destroy the Republican Party agenda.

    Sign the petition at

    http://www.boycott-republicans.com

  •  Rant or Threat (none)
      This started as a good rant.  Anger is appropriate reaction to the remarks of Senator Frist.  This should not be tolerated; nobody in this country gets total control.  
      But, with the word destroy; you crossed the line in into threats.  This is unprotected speech.  You may have broken the law by threatening to destroy approximately half the population of the US.  I hope you will reconsider your wording.
  •  God, that rant felt good (none)
    Anybody got a cigarette!

    It sure the hell is heavy, father -- it's my grandchildren's share of the birth tax

    by xanthe on Sat Apr 16, 2005 at 03:11:16 AM PDT

  •  Unclear (none)
    Is this an extension of the crusade that bush declared against terrorist evil-doers?  Or is this an entirely new religious war?  

    "We cannot let terriers and rogue nations hold this nation hostile. - W, 09/09/00

    by Bob Love on Sat Apr 16, 2005 at 03:12:29 AM PDT

  •  Lysistrata Option (none)
    No sex for Republicans, ever again.

    They love themselves so much?

    Let them, then. :)

    Defend your freedom, one threatened judge at a time.

    by cskendrick on Sat Apr 16, 2005 at 05:25:12 AM PDT

  •  "the Jews" (none)
    I was hoping you might be willing to edit  the phrase "the Jews" so that it reads "Jewish people" or just "Jews."

    Putting a "the" in front of "Jews" is antiquated and oddly out of place in your piece.  

    Thanks.

    •  I didn't now that was offensive (none)
      I intend no offense at all.  So I will change change that.

      To find his equal, an Irishman is forced to talk to God.

      by Delaware Dem on Sat Apr 16, 2005 at 06:41:01 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  It's not a huge deal, not to worry (none)
        One of the things that's happening in this religion debate is that old ways of talking about Jews are slipping back into the press.

        The Catholic Church has always talked about "the Jews" or "the Jewish people" instead of just "Jews" or "Jewish people" or "Judaism."  It's always been their way of imposing a particular Biblical frame on the subject.

        In the US, it's the right wing who talks about "the Jews"--controlling Hollywood.  They never talk about "Jewish people" because that would force them to step ibto actual reality, instead of the fiction they propogate.

        When we just talk about "Judaism" or "Jewish people" or just "Jews," without that "the" as you have, it's very different. I know this seems like ridiculously Clintonian parsing, but...

        You're generous to consider the edit:

        "It's what Jewish people call a mitzvah..."

        (As usual, great diary.  Hats off to all my friends in America's first state.)

  •  Frist is a Nazi (none)
    who has perverted the teachings of Jesus beyond all recognition.  The power lusting radical religious right will destroy this country in the name of their perverted, sick, twisted bullshit version of Christianity unless all people of faith and no faith fight back and reclaim the intent of our Founders.  James Madison (to paraphrase) said that the new United States of America would have no end to the religious strife of Europe unless religion was kept out of public discourse.  One's faith was too precious to be considered in the same breath as where to build a road. Frist and his little band of demons have already thrown our country into the whirlpool of religious strife.  These lunatics will make the US look like Medieval and post Reformation Europe.  May their God damn them for it.
  •  Imagine... (none)
    Excellent.
    Imagine what a great country and society could evolve if only 51% felt the same.
    Imagine NO O'lielly, limbaaaaaaa, fauxnews, blobertson, DenyDelay, bushites, ....
    Imagine....

    Search for the truth is the noblest occupation of man; its publication is a duty. ~Anne Louise Germaine de Stael

    by DickCheneyBeforeHeDicksYou on Sat Apr 16, 2005 at 06:40:16 AM PDT

  •  This is sooooo easy..... (none)
    the chain of hate should read, like a snowball rolling down hill -

    Frist to Perkins to Terry to Rudolph

    It is so easy to link the political wing of the Theocrats to the violent wing of the Theocrats via their rhetoric, that people should automatically think Rudolph when they think Frist.  Why arent we doing a better job of this?  Every time Frist releases a statement, there should be someone standing up and saying, "This is similar to the rambling statement released by Rudolph at his conviction where he railed against homosexuality and government power".  Then people would start getting it.  

    But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg.

    by calipygian on Sat Apr 16, 2005 at 06:52:26 AM PDT

  •  Don't fuck all Republicans (none)
     Just fuck the ones who agree with this bullshit Frist is peddling. Fuck 'em hard. No lube, either.

     Hey, Billy boy, if one of your syncophants reads this, it's intemperate ultrareligious nutjobs like you who drove me out of the party in the first place. I may go to hell, but you'll have left a trail of slime on the road down ahead of me.

    I tell you there is a fire. They have this day set a blazing torch to the temple of constitutional liberty and, please God, we shall have no more peace forever.

    by Anderson Republican on Sat Apr 16, 2005 at 07:08:15 AM PDT

    •  No. All of them. (none)
      This is Crystallnacht.   1939.  

      The Republican leadership has become the Nazi Party.  

      From this moment on, I will distinguish not between the fascist leadership and the ignorant party membership.   If you proclaim yourself a Republican, you have no right to then say "but I disagree with Senator Frist or Tom DeLay or George Bush...."  

      If you do disagree, leave the party immediately and denounce them and repudiate them.  If you do not, you are as guilty as they, and I will treat you as such.  

      To find his equal, an Irishman is forced to talk to God.

      by Delaware Dem on Sat Apr 16, 2005 at 07:14:41 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Thanks for the Excellent Diary (4.00)
    I was composing a LTE as I went to bed last night and your Saturday call to arms inspired me to send it right away. Not much, but here it is, to the Minneapolis Star Tribune:

    On Friday, Senator Bill Frist assaulted the U.S. Constitution and declared religious war on all who disagree with him politically. He agreed to appear at a "rally" organized by the hard right Family Research Council at a Kentucky church.

    The rally will feature demands for the end of the fillibuster in the U.S. Senate so that Republicans can push through extreme judicial nominees, including those for the Supreme Court, without the brake of a fillibuster.

    Senator Frist should resign immediately for committing this gross attack on the Constitutional separation of powers and the separation of church and state. He has shown that he has no intention of honoring his oath to uphold the Constitution.

    And I eagerly await Norm Coleman's denunciation of  Frist's theocratic assault as well as Coleman's announcement that he will not support an end to the fillibuster. Senator Coleman, don't think that just because your re-election campaign is three years away, the voters of Minnesota will forget an assault on the Constitution of this magnitude.

    It is time that...Democrats...understand that war has been declared and shots are being fired. It is time for Democrats to stand up.
    -Armando

    by bramish on Sat Apr 16, 2005 at 07:09:41 AM PDT

  •  PLEASE send this (none)
    to as many elected officials as you can.

    Edited for language, of course. ;)

    Your argument is well stated.  

    Who made Bill Frist a pastor?  Who is he to presume to lecture anyone on their faith?

    This whole approach they are taking is insulting to thinking people and shows their desperation.

  •  whither Ecuador goest... (none)
    (or, a morality tale, as if we need one!)  But of course, it's diff'rent here in 'Merka if WE say the judges have to go.....
    Ecuador President Dissolves Supreme Court

    By MONTE HAYES, Associated Press Writer

    QUITO, Ecuador - President Lucio Gutierrez declared a state of emergency in the capital city of this Andean nation and dissolved the Supreme Court, saying the unpopular judges were the cause of three days of pot-banging street protests in Quito. [more]

    http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&e=5&u=/ap/20050416/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/ecuador_emergency &sid=84439559

  •  Don't Get Mad, Get Effective (none)
    I agree with you that the Republican Party must be stopped in their campaign to bankrupt the American Government, both financially and morally but what kind of true Christian goes around telling his enemies to fuck themselves??
    Abandon the cloak of Chistianity, you seem to be missing some of Jesus major points: like loving and forgiving your enemy.  Not relevant to todays politics?  Maybe not, but thats what the Bible says ( the New Testament)
    Maybe its better to develop new and better tactics for unseating the Republicans than keeping the old namecalling pissing contest going. How can we claim to be better than them if we're not?
    Think about it
  •  has anyone (none)
    searched for info on Frist? Are there malpractice suit records? Medical license suspensions? Botched abortions?
  •  I agree 100% (none)
    It's time to be heard, Fuck the Fascist right.
  •  Shaker Hts, Ohio (none)
    I think when they blew up the police station.

    Please correct my memory if I'm wrong.

  •  A great fear (none)
    of the theocrats is that a candidate they back in the primaries may move to the "center" after the campaign moves into the general election. A good way to beat them might be rouse their fears about any candidate that they may back. By doing that they may gravitate to even more radical candidates that cannot possibly move to the "center." With respect to Dr. Frist, we could go all the way back to his medical training: Did he pander to his profs concering the training about evolution and abortion procedures that he obtained? Then, later in his career: Has the hospital's he's been affiliated with never performed an abortion? Has the Dr. ever performed an abortion? Has anyone under the Dr's
    supervision never performed an abortion?
  •  For this statement alone... (none)
    "God does not choose sides.  We choose God."

    This diary is important.

    You said lots of good stuff, DD, but that kinda caps it.

    Mind you, I'm an agnostic.  But that's a huge fucking point there.  

    Hypocrisy is the homage that vice pays to virtue.

    by JLongs on Sat Apr 16, 2005 at 01:09:12 PM PDT

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