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You've read about the 10 Books That Send Conservatives Into Fits, right?  In an exclusive scoop, C&J has uncovered a handful of others that are so scandalous the Bawk-Bawk-Bawk Brigade couldn't even print their names...

Goodnight Moon.  Because the bunny is wearing blue pajamas and we all know what that means.

Webster's Dictionary---Because it has all "those words" in it.

Roget's Thesaurus---Because it helps you find even more ways to say "those words."

The Pet Goat.  Because even the hardiest freepers cringe when they think about Bush and those seven minutes on 9/11.  Ticktockticktock...

Yertle the Turtle.  Rick Santorum can't read it without fainting.  It's just all male turtle on turtle on turtle...wriggling and writhing and wet.  What's next...a "Pride" parade??

Richard Scarry's Best Counting Book Ever.  Because math leads to science.  Science leads to heathen claptrap like "evolution" and "global warming" and "stem-cell research."

Alice in Wonderland.  Written by a pothead for potheads seeking to legitimize the reefer.

Leadership Secrets of Attila the Hun.  Actually...they can live with that one.

Cheers and Jeers reads the riot act in There's Moreville... [Swoosh!!]  RIGHTNOW!  [Gong!!]

Cheers and Jeers for Thursday, June 2, 2005...

Note:  There is a large yellow ball in the sky this morning.  It is warm, yet stings the eyes.  Developing...

By the Numbers:
Days `til Father's Day: 17
Days `til `Charlie and the Chocolate Factory': 43
Number of dry days in Maine during May: 7
The last year we had over 14 dry days in May: 2001
Ounces of gold still contained in Fort Knox Bullion Depository: 147.3 million
Current value of the gold: $60 billion
(Source: U.S. Mint via Newsweek)
Value of gold foil-wrapped chocolate medallions in the C&J household: $1.95 plus tax

Your Puppy Pic of the Day  "Quiet, please. I'm tanning.

CHEERS to Rep. John Conyers.  For pointing out the retroactive lessons of Watergate:  "Back then we had an aggressive press corps.  Back then we had men of courage.  Back then we had a Justice Department that was willing to take an investigation wherever it would lead. Back than we had a Congress that was willing to hold real hearings and conduct real oversight of official misconduct."  That's right---things are so bad now that we remember Watergate era as the good old days.

JEERS to addictive mergers.  20 years ago today, The R.J. Reynolds Company proposed a major merger with Nabisco that would create a $4.9 billion conglomerate of food distribution and other products, including tobacco.  Which explains this uncontrollable urge I have to eat a Fig Newton every ten minutes.

JEERS to the clumsiest dodge of the year.  The military is missing its recruiting goals left and right, so what do they do?  They delay posting their recruiting data by a week.  Smooth move...nobody will notice that!

CHEERS or JEERS to the Rumble in the Lowlands. Yesterday the Dutch rejected the European Union Constitution.  Hey, YOU try reading 40,000 single-spaced words stoned.

CHEERS to everyday low-priced exposés.  Hooray!  Robert Greenwald is making a new documentary.  His latest will shine sunlight on the rotting underbelly of Wal Mart.  This is total conjecture on my part, but I believe Wally World's legal counsel has gotten wind of it.  Oh, this'll be fun.

JEERS to excuses revisited.  John at AmericaBlog posted this yesterday.  The ending is hokey, but hearing Bush and his flunkies justify the Iraq invasion with bogus claims keeps their high crimes fresh in our mind.  Besides, it's excellent for seething practice.

CHEERS to happier days.  13 years ago today, President Clinton clinched the Democratic nomination for president.  Like last November, it was a Bush's election to lose.  Damn you, History That Doesn't Repeat Itself!

CHEERS to the spinning of the green.  In today's must-read, Bill O'Reilly goes mano y mano with Yoda in the No-Spin Zone.  After that ordeal, I think the Green One would prefer Sidious's lightning bolts.

CHEERS to loooooongevity.  A British couple just marked their 80th wedding anniversary---making theirs the longest marriage on record.  As you can see, they have perfect chemistry: she talks, and he fakes being asleep.  Many blessings on your camels, kids---that's an amazing feat.

C&J Flashback: June 2, 2004...

CHEERS to the Marquis de Dean.  In his first syndicated column, Vermont's saucy, sexy beast tackles touch-screen voting machines.  Great...more competition for my Pulitzer.

CHEERS to a woman's right to choose.  A federal judge rules that banning late-term abortions---performed almost exclusively to protect the mother's life or health---are unconstitutional.  Bush will cry "Activist Judge!"  The rest of us will cry "Common Sense!"

And just one more...

CHEERS to Calvin Trillin.  The Nation magazine's  "Deadline Poet" never ceases to amuse us.  His latest:

(Another Headline in the Future of John Bolton as American Ambassador to the United Nations)

The Frenchman voted wrong, in Bolton's mind---
Against a war. He doubted we would find
These weapons just where Bolton said they were,
Despite the fact that Bolton seemed so sure.
As Bolton shouted that the French were yellow,
His face took on the shade of cherry Jell-O.
The Frenchman thought it prudent then to flee,
And that's when Bolton chased him up a tree.
"How dare you!" Bolton shouted from below,
As with his shoe he struck the trunk a blow.
The French Ambassador was plainly scared.
He kept repeating "Zut, alors!" and "Merde!"
The White House, backing Bolton, said that he'll
Continue putting forth the case with zeal.

Floor's open...What are you cheering and jeering about today?

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Anakin: You're so beautiful.

Padme:  That's only because I'm in Cheers and Jeers.

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'Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith'

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Originally posted to Daily Kos on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 06:45 AM PDT.


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  •  Returning C&J (3.95)
    Cheers to mecki jr, growing quickly and still an all-around happy little kid. And his parents have learned to work around his sleep schedule, so everyone's fine.

    Jeers to being back at work. Really, really didn't want to leave home this morning. But someone's got to do to.

    Cheers to cheering and jeering again. Missed you guys the last week. And that was the only thing I missed while at home.

    Jeers to smarmy bumper stickers: "Welfare should be as difficult to get as a drug conviction" In what alternate universe does the bumper stickee live? Unless you're a radio conservative blowhard or the offspring of a Republican governor, getting a drug conviction is about as easy as falling off a log. Or at least that's the sense I get from looking at our prison numbers.

    Cheers to Bob Herbert. "Now, with George W. Bush in charge, the nation is mired in yet another tragic period marked by incompetence, duplicity, bad faith and outright lies coming once again from the very top of the government." That's exactly right. But comparing LBJ and RMN to GWB fails in one important aspect: Yes, all three of them "...took the nation on hair-raising journeys that were as unnecessary as they were destructive." but only GWB has a totally incompetent and destructive domestic policy to boot.

    Jeers to more stupid bumper stickers: "I vote prolife" I want to ask this person what they do when - as is so often the case - one candidate is pro-death penalty but anti-abortion, the other anti-death penalty but pro-choice. How do you reconcile that? Or I'd simply mention how tragic it was that abortions were up under Bush and watch them squirm.

    Cheers to putting your money where your mouth is OK, so raising other people's embryos is an odd way of doing so - instead of, say, helping feed the hungry - but at least they're consistent about their views. Consistent nutcakes - will wonders never cease? Wonder how they feel about the death penalty.

    "Never vote for Republicans again -- we lie." --a senior Republican Senator

    by mecki on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 06:47:05 AM PDT

    •  And another jeer (4.00)
      To your poll, Bill, it doesn't have one important answer: "I don't have any Senators, as I'm taxed but have no representation"

      Representation for the District!

      "Never vote for Republicans again -- we lie." --a senior Republican Senator

      by mecki on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 06:52:19 AM PDT

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      •  Barbara Boxer is one of my Senators (4.00)
        So I have Cheers and Cheers for Senator Boxer....

        As for DiFi...DINO is a good description....

        C&J - "highly entertaining spankers, wankers and perverts." - Cosmic Debris

        by SallyCat on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 07:11:01 AM PDT

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      •  OH here (4.00)
        I would have preferred to find some category intermediate between "tolerable" and "suck", because while I would happily vote either Voinovich or Dewine out of office given the chance, I do appreciate that they both display occasional signs of a reasonableness uncharacteristic of today's Republicans. In the end I had to go with "tolerable" because I kept replaying Voinovich's comments on Bolton over and over in my mind. Still, I spent nine years in Russland (no, I'm not speaking German, I mean Wisconsin), so I have high standards.
    •  most dangerous books (4.00)
      John Maynard Keynes "General Theory of Employment, Interest, and Money" is listed number 10!!!! I declare shaninigans!

      Human Events Online actually blames the federal debt on Keynes!! Not Reagan, not Bush, but John Maynard Keynes, the founder of Macroeconomics!

      Those people are idiots.

    •  bumper sticker (4.00)
      I saw a sticker last week that read 'Vote Democratic. Noone ever heard of a good piece of elephant'
  •  Cheers to Richard Scarry (4.00)
    And may he rest in peace.

    His books have got my son and husband communing with the Lowly Worm every day.

    •  More cheers to Richard Scarry! (4.00)
      My almost-two-year-old is hooked: every day at storytime, before I can even ask him what he'd like to read, he starts calling out, "BUSYTOWN! BIZZ-EEE-TOWN!"

      Yeah, the women all wear hats and kerchiefs, but it's a world where all the animals are civil to each other, so it makes for such delightful escapism for me while setting an example for the little guy.

      •  my 2½ y.o. is a little (4.00)
        Busytown addict; those books are like crack.

        We were in a motel and he spotted a 3D map of the city mounted in a frame in the lobby and cried out "It's Busytowwwwwn!"

        You can imagine how he felt when we were exiting a store and spied a kiddy ride fiberglass apple with Lowly Worm at the helm!

        But fer cryeye, couldn't they have given more than 30 seconds of riding for 50¢?  Next time I'm bringing a crowbar and shaking the damn ting myself.

    •  Us too -- (4.00)
      And Huckle, Sally, Pig Will and Pig Won't, Sargeant Murphy, Humperdink and of course, Mr. Frumble.
  •  PD's For-Once Thursday C&Js (4.00)
    For the Cafe Crowd:
    Cheers! to the Bobs, for cheering me on last night. Sorry GAHM--ahem, GAIM--sent me down the wormhole before I could thank you all. So: thank you, all!

    Cheers! to Bill. We can understand why you might have a hard difficult time with Las Vegas. Plus, Molly told us she's not keen on the idea of you hanging out with white tigers, anyway. So here's to Chicago, and all that jazz!

    Cheers! to bob_e_cups. Best. Alternate. ID. Ever.

    Cheers! and manly, non-sexual hugs to jdog. Wish you were having a hard time, buddy.

    And the rest:
    Jeers! to cruel disappointment:

    Their strategy is laced with contemporary humor and ageless pathos, but not always warmly received by all Christians. Why not?

    For starters, their Web site is called, " No. 1 Christian porn site."

    They titled their upcoming campaign, "National Porn Sunday," hoping 200 churches will simultaneously discuss from the pulpit pornography's evils, then invite parishioners back in the evening to see a documentary film explaining how Craig Gross and Mike Foster fashioned their Southern California ministry to rescue people from porn, offering love and, of course, accountability software, a 30-day confidential, "revolutionary new way to get help from pornography," books, CDs and T-shirts.

    So cruel.
    Cheers! to knowing when to say when. Raymond Carver gave up drinking on this date in 1977. According to the Writer's Almanac, "He died of lung cancer 11 years later, but he once described those last 11 years of his life as 'gravy, pure gravy.'" We thought so, too. Are you taking notes, HHG?
    And one last one: Cheers! to the YearlyKos Convention team! You've done a magnificent job so far, and put in a buttload of work. But since Lancaster, Pennsylvania didn't make the final cut for host cities, we really think you didn't put enough thought into where to locate this here convention...

    The UCC: to believe is to care, to care is to do. Also, they have cookies.

    by pastordan on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 06:47:32 AM PDT

    •  Carver (4.00)
      Carver has an amazing poem about "gravy" as he called it. He also penned what I would like to have as my epitaph. "Late Fragment," I'm assuming you know it.

      My ex father-in-law went to high school with Ray. He said that they all expected Ray would be dead within a few years of finishing high school. How fortunate we all were that he found a way to quiet his demons and give us his writing.

      •  That's a good one-- (4.00)
        it may even be Carver's own epitaph. My favorite is "What the Doctor Said":
        He said it doesn't look good
        he said it looks bad in fact real bad
        he said I counted thirty-two of them on one lung before
        I quit counting them
        I said I'm glad I wouldn't want to know
        about any more being there than that
        he said are you a religious man do you kneel down
        in forest groves and let yourself ask for help
        when you come to a waterfall
        mist blowing against your face and arms
        do you stop and ask for understanding at those moments
        I said not yet but I intend to start today
        he said I'm real sorry he said
        I wish I had some other kind of news to give you
        I said Amen and he said something else
        I didn't catch and not knowing what else to do
        and not wanting him to have to repeat it
        and me to have to fully digest it
        I just looked at him
        for a minute and he looked back it was then
        I jumped up and shook hands with this man who'd just given me
        something no one else on earth had ever given me
        I may have even thanked him habit being so strong

        The UCC: to believe is to care, to care is to do. Also, they have cookies.

        by pastordan on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 07:25:58 AM PDT

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    •  PD (4.00)
      The boys thank you for the shout-out.  We aim to please in these parts.
    •  Maybe Lancaster would have made the cut... (4.00)
      ...if it had this

      No Elvis, no dice. That's how I determined MY vote.

      YearlyKos...What's your AGENDA

      by gina on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 09:23:50 AM PDT

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  •  Durbin and Obama (4.00)
    are my senators.  

    Can anyone beat that?

    "Make no mistake about it: We are At War now - with somebody - and we will stay At War with that mysterious Enemy for the rest of our lives"-- HST, 9/12/01

    by mraker on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 06:47:39 AM PDT

    •  Murray and Cantwell (4.00)
      Just goes to show what can happen when you put a couple of women in charge.

      (Oh yeah, and CHEERS to Chris Gregoire, who is still in office so far despite the best Repubcorp™ efforts to get her thrown out.)

      •  I was going to respond with the same. (4.00)
        Cheers to all three of 'em. :)
        I'm so happy they're going through with that transportation bill. A bunch of the money goes to rail upgrades, which we desperately need.
      •  YES! (4.00)

        Extra Cheers for: Patty Murray for standing up for the children of military families, and helping to better fund their educations.

        Double Cheers for Maria Cantwell and her standing up to Enron and doing it right for Snohomish County PUD.

        Superduper Cheers for Christine Gregoire's post-election attitude.  She's tough, she's a D, and she has no problem showing emotion in front of a crowd.

        Proud member of the Social Security google-bomb project.
        Be proud. YOU'RE A LIBERAL.

        by changingamerica on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 09:41:35 AM PDT

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    •  Senators (4.00)
      Schumer and Clinton isn't too bad either.
      •  unfortunately (4.00)
        I'd have to disagree. When was the last time either one of them took a leadership position on anything that wasn't about Hillary running for president? And what exactly does Schumer do? As far as I know, he has still not admitted that voting for the Patriot Act was a mistake. But I'd love to be proven wrong.
        •  cheers to Lorraine for that perspicacious (4.00)
          remark (see BiPM's thesaurus and/or dictionary, the only ones left in the US; now that they've been banned, we're all going to have to move to Maine.

          Schumer's an embarrassment, like a spoiled boy who wants all attention plus constant strokes for being cute while being right. Though I have to admit I did like the sign he held up in the Bolton hearings.

          And jeers to Hilary, the so-called centrist D. I want back the goofy looking law student working in the Watergate hearings & the woman who worked with M. Edelman, not this slick rock star of a pol who struts around the stage as he talks like Mick Jagger selling the same old song. (well, okay, I love Mick Jagger, but not the HRC imitation. So, 'cheers' the never weary rolling of the eternal stone)

          Schumer & Clinton-- one is grateful they make the best choices, most of the time-- Truly, in Bush's America, one cannot, must not, quibble.  So why did I shout Hurray when I read Lorraine's post?  ...unstifled quibbles warm the heart...

          •  speaking of C;linton (4.00)
            Cheers: to Bill Clinton on Larry King Live for One good answer last night: that about the religious right and the separation of church and state.

            Jeers: to Bill Clinton last night for

            • praising George W. Bush so highly as a person, politician, and saying Bush was very smart and a good man.
            • for reminding the public how the Democrats have failed
            • for his support of the War in Iraq and he sounded more like  a Republican  than a Democrat, seemed to repeat the talking points of the GOP in regards to the War
            *For saying, " I like his idea of an ownership society".

            We choose hope over despair; possibilities over problems, optimism over cynicism.-John Edwards

            by wishingwell on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 08:15:10 AM PDT

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        •  I sort of agree with you (4.00)
          It is not perfect, but recall that the alternatives would be Al d'Amato and Rick Lazio.
        •  I wish I had Schumer (4.00)
          During the filibuster hearings, he was so wonderful.
          He may be expert at drawing attention to himself, but he is drawing attention to himself with an outspoken liberal voice. I have Bond and Talent. Terrible as Bond is, I have the deepest of pity for Oklahoma and Georgia. There is nothing to recommend any of those four guys.

          "If I am not for myself, who will be for me? If I am only for myself, who am I? And if not now, when?" (Hillel was a liberal)

          by 4jkb4ia on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 08:31:54 AM PDT

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        •  Actually, (4.00)
          I love Schumer.  Yes, the man never met a camera he didn't like, but his constituent service is great, I usually agree with his positions, and he stopped a true nitwit from becoming the US Attorney for the Northern District (her main qualification was she was the governor's girlfriend - she had never tried a case in her life).  He wouldn't allow her past committee because she had NO trial experience.

          Instead, he pushed my brother-in-law (OKay, I'm prejudiced), who's a Republican (hey, he married into the family, okay?), who has tried tons of murders and never lost a case, and is a fine, decent man - his politics are his only failing.  Clinton was nowhere to be found.

          PLUS, when Clinton went rightwing on the war, she lost me.  Sorry, but she does NOTHING for me. Plus I got to watch the Clinton campaign machine during 1996, and they were perfectly willing to let innocent people get charged with election fraud, rather than admit what they did.  Luckily, I was able to get the innocents out from under, and I didn't give up their people (because I am a good Dem), but GEEZ....

          We do not rent rooms to Republicans.

          by Mary Julia on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 01:31:32 PM PDT

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    •  Easily! (4.00)
      My senators are Obama and Dur-

      Hey, get off my lawn!

      Is there gas in the car? Yes, there's gas in the car.

      by nightsweat on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 07:12:34 AM PDT

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    •  Mikulski Sarbanes (4.00)
      Not outspoken, but def. consistent
    •  I GOT TED!!! (4.00)
      Yeah Ted!!!

      And his sidekick is a much better Senator than he was a presidential candidate, so I'll keep both of 'em.

      "Don't call yourself religious, not with that blood on your hands"--Little Steven Van Zandt

      by ChurchofBruce on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 07:16:01 AM PDT

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    •  Graham and DeMint (4.00)
      I'm in hell... but fighting the good fight.
      •  Dole and Burr (4.00)
        UGH.. miss Edwards so much... NC didn't know when they had it so good.  These two are know nothing, do nothing repugs...
        •  Missing Edwards, (4.00)
          Check out his official blog.

          It gives a good update of all he is doing now with this work on Poverty and his travels about the country speaking on this subject and others.

          I hope the link it is done correctly, if not I will correct it.

          We choose hope over despair; possibilities over problems, optimism over cynicism.-John Edwards

          by wishingwell on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 08:50:21 AM PDT

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        •  TPMCAFE (4.00)
          Edwards is also blogging over at TPM Cafe, Josh Marshall's new group blog. Think of it as sharing him with the rest of the country.

          Insanity is attempting regime change in the same region twice and expecting a different result.

          by JonnyAction on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 02:24:59 PM PDT

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      •  We've got Judd "missing link" Gregg (4.00)
        and John E.(I got elected cause they thought I was my dad) Sununu.

        Gregg beat 86 year old Granny D last time--he struts around acting like he really won something--sheesh.

        "The future is not a gift: it is an achievement." Robert F. Kennedy

        by PoliSigh on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 07:34:02 AM PDT

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    •  From Oregon (4.00)
      Senators Smith and Wyden.  

      Wyden so-so.  
      Smith has got to go.
      Just so you know.

    •  Hutchinson and Corny (4.00)
      "Mary" Kay the Crier and Yertle the Turtle...what a low hurdle...

      It's no fun...we Texans can't play this game...

      OK, Barbara Jordan's from Texas...Beat that...

    •  GAAAAAAAH! (4.00)
      I have the TWO Nuke-u-ler Senators,

      Bill FRIST and Lamar ALEXANDER

      Frist to invoke "nuke-u-ler" option on filibuster.

      Alexander pushing to build more nuclear power plants.

      I think I've got the WORST pair in the country.  If you agree, give me MOJO!

      "Karyn is with us. A West Texas girl, just like me." -George 'Girlyman' Bush, 5/27/04

      by Joon on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 08:01:39 AM PDT

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    •  I have Harkin (4.00)
      and, well, I have Harkin!

      Pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space because there's bugger all down here on Earth.

      by bawbie on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 08:06:02 AM PDT

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    •  Corzine and Lautenberg (4.00)
      Both good.

      But what is going to happen when Corzine is governor we hope) and Lautenberg retires or dies (he is way past retirement ae already).  Maybe it was more important to have Corzine as a senator than a governor.

    •  Elizabeth Dole and (4.00)
      oh god do I really have to say this?
      Mr. Richard "The Real Secret to Campaigning is to Just Lie Low Until the Week Before the Election and then run non-stop attack ads every five minutes which make it clear that my opponent is Osama bin Laden's stepson, if not his wife" Burr.

      The less a man knows about how sausages and laws are made, the easier it is to steal his vote and give him botulism.

      by SensibleShoes on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 09:17:09 AM PDT

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  •  Cheers to Solitude and Dame's Rocket (4.00)
    The Dame's Rocket are in full bloom around here--carpets of purple and white as far as the eye can see.

    Cheers to my week away. The solitude was restorative.

    Cheers to  the pair of eagles that flew just over my head; of the newborn fawn, still wet from his mother's body; the snakes I nearly stepped on; the mother grouse that feigned not being able to fly in order to lead me away from her nest; of the multitude of wildflowers in the woods.

    Cheers to the fact that I FINISHED MY NOVEL.

    No unhappy jeers today. I'm a happy puppy.

  •  Cheers and Jeers... (4.00)
    Cheers to Bill, Michael, all the Bobs and especially the Bobettes and all the Irregulars both old and new.

    Cheers to playing hooky. The holy handgrenade took a "sick day" today. Shhhh....don't tell my boss.

    Cheers to spending said "sick day" going through the baby clothes from my daughter to prepare for the impending arrival of our newest little girl. My wife's doctor told her to not be surprised if the baby came a few weeks early based on her current size.

    Jeers to needing to get the window AC units in today. It's supposed to get pretty warm this weekend and I need to get them in. I know the high 80s doesn't seem to warrant AC, but I have a pregnant lady here who really wants those units put in....

    Jeers to getting nasty in C&J. I should not have gone after another Irregular as I did yesterday, but I will admit, the viewpoints and stances really got me going, and not in a good way...

    Cheers to 88 days of sobriety....and no, I do not have a beer in my hand as I type this...

    Jeers to mishaps while doing chores. I think I may be the only person capable of closing their penis in the silverware drawer while unloading the dishwasher.

    and finally, I'll leave you with what was pumping in the grenademobile this morning after I dropped my wife off at work....

    Bulls on Parade
    Rage Against the Machine

    The microphone explodes, shattering the molds
    Either drop tha hits like de la O or get tha fuck off tha commode
    Wit tha sure shot, sure ta make tha bodies drop
    Drop an don't copy yo, don't call this a co-op
    Terror rains drenchin', quenchin' tha thirst of tha power dons
    That five sided fist-a-gon
    Tha rotten sore on tha face of mother earth gets bigger
    Tha triggers cold empty ya purse

    Rally round tha family! With a pocket full of shells
    They rally round tha family! With a pocket full of shells
    They rally round tha family! With a pocket full of shells
    They rally round tha family! With a pocket full of shells

    Weapons not food, not homes, not shoes
    Not need, just feed the war cannibal animal
    I walk tha corner to tha rubble that used to be a library
    Line up to tha mind cemetary now
    What we don't know keeps tha contracts alive an movin'
    They don't gotta burn tha books they just remove 'em
    While arms warehouses fill as quick as tha cells
    Rally round tha family, pockets full of shells

    Rally round tha family! With a pocket full of shells
    They rally round tha family! With a pocket full of shells
    They rally round tha family! With a pocket full of shells
    They rally round tha family! With a pocket full of shells

    Bulls on parade

    It's always good to start the day off with a happy little tune....

    "Gahm, you're gonna be a burger flipper someday..." - My Ninth Grade Chemistry teacher Mr. Pritchard

    by the holy handgrenade on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 06:48:13 AM PDT

    •  Trippy... (4.00)
      was just listening to this like 5 minutes ago
    •  Don't jeer yourself for getting nasty... (4.00)
      because I got nastier (see below.)  It's called, "wake up and smell the coffee."
    •  Aw, man... (4.00)
      You don't know how much I wish I could be helping you put those A/C units in today...

      Cheers to impending babies!

      The UCC: to believe is to care, to care is to do. Also, they have cookies.

      by pastordan on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 07:01:42 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  teehee about your peepee (4.00)
      you made me laugh at work.

      tell your wife the whole "the baby might be early" line is BS. Been there - and my baby was a week late. On my due date, after 2 false alarms,  I decided that I in fact would never have this baby, and that this whole pregnancy thing was a cruel joke on women and that babies actually came from the stork because I was certain that one would never come out of me. I thought those ultrasound pictures were faked - just like those moon pictures.  

      Turned out I was wrong and a baby did come out of me. What do you know?

      •  early (4.00)
        Babies come based on the misery factor.The worse you feel the longer the wait.My daughter came after having to endure weeks of 90-101 degrees,with lots of humidity.I wouldve been happy to drop dead.Son came early right before Christmas very little misery.Second son came late after miserable pregnancy.I think its natures birth control.

        Why does Bush hate America?

        by kerry on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 07:55:24 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  how to make a baby come early (4.00)
          Both my babies came early. How did I do it?

          1. Lots of sex. Orgasms for me, and all that labor-inducing progestin in semen.

          2. Lots of hiking. I went for a several-mile hike a week before my due date, came home and had sex with my husband, and was in labor before dinnertime.

          (Second kid was a similar story.)
          So, HHG, after you install those AC units, ask your wife if you can install her unit. :)
          •  Sure, and all I got.... (4.00)
            was a view of the falls! ;^P
          •  My mother said... (4.00)
            I came early because they went out to dinner and a movie. She said I must have not been able to go to sleep..LOL!!! To this day, I do tend to stand at attention for Band Music as the movie was
            " The Stars and Stripes Forever". LOL!!!
            My Dad said at least I did not make an appearance right after a War movie like the Longest Day or Retreat Hell.

            My dad, the returning War Veteran, still went to get his mother and left my mother alone for a short time. My 4'10 inch grandmother slapped my Dad upside the head for leaving his wife alone.
            My mother cleaned the bathtub while waiting. My grandmother went to the hospital in her house robe and slippers, those were the days, I guess...LOL!
            My grandfather did not even notice her missing.
            By the second child, my Dad felt like a Pro. The guy in the waiting room , when Told his wife had a baby, said ..." that can't be right, this guy was first". My dad ( considering himself now the Cool Veteran of baby births) said, " Buddy, this is not a barber shop".

            I was not able to have children the natural way, and had 2 bad miscarriages with complications but adoption worked for us.

            We choose hope over despair; possibilities over problems, optimism over cynicism.-John Edwards

            by wishingwell on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 08:58:41 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

    •  CHEERS! (4.00)
      to one AC unit in without injury or damage...

      now to get the other three in...

      "Gahm, you're gonna be a burger flipper someday..." - My Ninth Grade Chemistry teacher Mr. Pritchard

      by the holy handgrenade on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 07:53:41 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  So far (4.00)
        so good ... keep up the good work!

        "We don't see things as they are. We see them as we are." ~ Anais Nin

        by shermanesq on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 07:57:42 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Cheer! (4.00)
        to unit #2 being firmly in place. this was the big one for the dining room. I've never put this one in by myself before, and will never do it again.

        Time to take a few minutes off to bang the splint for my broken pinkie back into its appropriate shape.

        Does anyone know a good chiropractor in the Philly area?

        "Gahm, you're gonna be a burger flipper someday..." - My Ninth Grade Chemistry teacher Mr. Pritchard

        by the holy handgrenade on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 08:07:59 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Number 3 is securely in the window... (4.00)
          this one was from my brother-in-law's college apartment. What strikes me as odd, is that even after being in my basement all winter, it still reeks of pot smoke...

          "Gahm, you're gonna be a burger flipper someday..." - My Ninth Grade Chemistry teacher Mr. Pritchard

          by the holy handgrenade on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 09:02:42 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  try this: (4.00)
            run the filter(s) through the dishwasher (aor replace).
          •  well.... (4.00)
            the last one is in. One question though, how do you tell if you have a hernia? Can anyone take a look and tell me?

            that's a new one just for you slack...

            "Gahm, you're gonna be a burger flipper someday..." - My Ninth Grade Chemistry teacher Mr. Pritchard

            by the holy handgrenade on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 09:36:14 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Why, thanks, HHG! (4.00)
              And I'm sure the other C&J'ers are just as thrilled as I am....and I don't detect any kind of hernia from there.  Which may or may not be a bad thing.

              If you can't support the veterans you have, don't make any new ones.

              by slackjawedlackey on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 09:50:54 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

            •  Paging Bill Frist........... (4.00)
              He's an expert at making a diagnosis based on pictures and videos.
            •  Speaking of asses... DATELINE KANSAS (4.00)
              From the Associated Press, via the New York Times:
              "A state senator who said in 2001 that giving women the vote was a symptom of weakness in the American family is seeking the Republican nomination for secretary of state, the state's top elections official.

              The quote from the senator, Kay O'Connor, is "The 19th Amendment is around because men weren't doing their jobs and I think that's sad.  I believe the man should be the head of the family."

              The emphases are mine, not the NYTimes or the AP, which also reported that the senator "dismisses the controversy as silliness."  What makes this so bizarre is that Sen. O'Connor is a woman (though if you saw the picture, you might not necessarily agree, even with the beads and earrings).

              This is so snarkworthy, I had to share (unless someone posted this earlier today or yesterday), but don't have time to give it the full range of comments.

              "Albatross!" -- Monty Python

              by klamothe on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 12:48:00 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  ...and there's this from her website (4.00)
                (emphasis is Ms. O'Connor's)

                I ask for your continued support as I stand up as a consistent conservative voice in the Kansas Senate. I promise to always SAY WHAT I MEAN, to always MEAN WHAT I SAY, and to always fight for the same conservative principles I've campaigned for in Johnson County.

                With that in mind, let's look at the AP's follow-up little story on Ms. O'Connor from earlier today (emphasis mine):

                KANSAS: SO MUCH FOR CRITICIZING SUFFRAGE A state senator who said in 2001 that giving women the vote was a symptom of weakness in the American family is seeking the Republican nomination for secretary of state, the state's top elections official. In 2001, the senator, Kay O'Connor, disparaged the 19th Amendment, which gave women the right to vote. "The 19th Amendment is around because men weren't doing their jobs," Ms. O'Connor said, "and I think that's sad. I believe the man should be the head of the family." She now dismisses the controversy as silliness. (AP)

            •  ah, HHG (4.00)
              Your ass is so much cuter in jeans.


              "It's not like I never want to bite people...I just know it's wrong." Satchel Pooch

              by Mrs Pastor on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 05:28:48 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

          •  I say run the damn thing (4.00)
            til you can't smell it anymore, or you don't care and hey, what happened to the doritos?

            If you can't support the veterans you have, don't make any new ones.

            by slackjawedlackey on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 09:52:40 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

    •  dishwasher safe? (4.00)
      I think I may be the only person capable of closing their penis in the silverware drawer while unloading the dishwasher.
      Note to HHG:
      This is NOT how you are supposed to play "spoons!"
    •  Uh oh... (4.00)
      WHo felt the sting of your wrath THIS time?

      Maybe I should start a club: the "HHG Lost His Temper WIth Me" club...

      : )

      Rage, rage, against the lying of the Right.

      by Maryscott OConnor on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 11:18:50 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Maryscott... (4.00)
        see the battle being waged between Wry and HK downthread. That started with a comment I made to HK yesterday, questioning her ownership of a leather couch while posting about animal cruelty.

        I was hoping to let it go today, but I see now that Wry has taken up the fight. The battle is between them now, not me.

        I posted my ass pic as a kind of joke to make peace, reading it now, it sure doesn't come across that way. Such is the problem with internet communications I guess...

        "Gahm, you're gonna be a burger flipper someday..." - My Ninth Grade Chemistry teacher Mr. Pritchard

        by the holy handgrenade on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 11:41:49 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Cheers to 88 days (4.00)
      you are da man, HHG.  Good luck with the air units, let me know if you need a hand, I could use an excuse to drive to Philly.

      Does the word justice mean anything to you? Are the features of a lie beginning to come through?-Jackson Browne

      by Sargent Pepper on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 11:37:12 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  The "silverware drawer" incident (4.00)
      raises a mental picture I did not least not with the spouse still at work. :(

      Reminds me, I've got to run the dishwasher least I don't have to worry about anything getting caught in the wrong place. :)

      "It's an unnerving thought that we may be the living universe's supreme achievement and its worst nightmare simultaneously." -- Bill Bryson

      by Cali Scribe on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 11:54:46 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Another book that throws conservatives into fits (4.00)
    How about a basic Science Textbook ?

    You know the kind I'm talking about - the ones will all those scientific facts that those pinko liberals like to use so much...

  •  hmmmm... (4.00)
    how to answer the poll?

    Let's see my Senators are Santorum and Spector...

    next question please.

    "Gahm, you're gonna be a burger flipper someday..." - My Ninth Grade Chemistry teacher Mr. Pritchard

    by the holy handgrenade on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 06:49:26 AM PDT

  •  Happy 80th (4.00)
    Cheers to UK couple Percy Arrowsmith and Florence Arrowsmith who just celebrated their 80th wedding anniversary.

    With all of the horrible stuff going on in the world right now, I doubt that any of us will make it to anything like this in our lifetimes, but it's nice to see that someone did.

    •  Cheers! (4.00)
      To SF's cutest old dude, who always gleefully told his age:

      John Krejick -- reached goal of living to age 105

      Glen Martin, Chronicle Staff Writer
      Wednesday, June 1, 2005

      John Frank Krejick, one of the Bay Area's longest-lived residents, has died at the age of 105 in Burlingame.

      He was known to friends and family as "Mr. 105," because he set -- and reached -- a goal of living for 105 years.  Obit

      Rest up, John, it was good to have ya around.

      The future belongs to those who prepare for it today. Malcolm X

      by x on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 09:15:07 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Cheers to Today (4.00)
    Drive by C n J... gotta work as hard as I can so we can go get married this weekend!

    Cheers to Bill and all the irregulars-and to DailyKos for keeping me sane since around September or whenever it was that I blundered upon this site.

    Jeers to more of the same-and hopes that things are swinging back now... I really feel that people's eyes are opening, finally...

    Cheers to wonderful fiances and terrific friends.  Will experience both this weekend.  And I will return on Monday a married woman.  But I'll always be jlongs to y'all.  :D

    Hypocrisy is the homage that vice pays to virtue.

    by JLongs on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 06:50:49 AM PDT

  •  I'm in Greensboro, NC... (4.00)
    ... and I seem to be missing this "large yellow ball" you mentioned. Where can I get one?
  •  C&J (4.00)
    Jeers to one-fifth of Earth's bird species facing extinction.

    Jeers to three young teens to tortured and killed pet chickens and frogs.

    Cheers to the arrest of a guy who was arrested, and a Jeers for what he was arrested for, animal torture and aggravated cruelty of an animal, for abusing the black lab and neglecting it and another dog.  

    Cheers to Lisa Leitten.  Who?  She has spent the last three years working at businesses dealing with animals.  She videotaped abuses at these places for PETA so that the abuse could be made public and hopefully stopped.  Jeers to the whole legality issue and stuff.

    Cheers to finding a man guilty of abusing a cat and at least serving some jail time and receiving probation.  Jeers to what the guy did to the cat, I'd rather not repeat it.

    Yep, another cat is in that box::
    Image hosted by


    Home is where the cat is

    by HK on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 06:51:21 AM PDT

    •  Confused like HHG.... (3.80)
      I was surprised yesterday, like HHG, to learn that although you post daily on the abuses of animals, you are not vegetarian and use animal products.

      Especially your statement that you hope that the animals that you consume are killed in a humanitarian way.  They're not.  

      As I stated, I volunteered at a farm animal rescue shelter near Seattle, WA and saw firsthand the victims of farm factory animals.  Injured and sick animals thrown in dumpsters or in the corner to die.  Chickens locked for their lives in cages no larger than a car battery.  Cows kept pregnant their entire lives for their milk, and when their progeny are born they are either discarded or turned into veal calves (the males) or raised as more dairy cows (the females.)

      If you really are so upset about animals being abused, one simple thing you can do is to stop consuming animal products.

      •  Thats nice (3.92)
        and i'm sure all people who love and care about animals and hate that they are abused are vegetarians too.. gotcha.  Oh, and all those people here in C&J who have sympathized with the animals who I have written about here and write about their experiences and opinions, make sure you check out all of them too...  

        I do what I am ready to do as my part, and when companies actually are kosher then yeah they are as much as possible causing the least amount of pain in death.  Just a little side note, I'd like to add that at least half the vegetarians out there still drink milk and eat other products made from it.

        So, you decide to jump on someone who is honest.   I love animals, i've grown up with non-vegetarians my entire life, I've made the decision to eat meat rarely, rarely buy goods made from animal products, i've donated time and money to the cause, I've already done quite a few simple things... but damn let me know when you guys are perfect and everything you do is exactly what you believe should be done.  Then I might actually feel bad for not being perfect.  Actually i'll know you are just lying hehe.

        I honestly don't want to get into this anymore especially since I already did yesterday, check back and see what you may have missed, or email me and tell me what a whatever I am, email is on my profile.  I'm not perfect, let us all get over it.  


        Home is where the cat is

        by HK on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 07:40:28 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Excellent reply. (4.00)
          I decided not to rate or reply to Wry's well-intentioned post, because it wouldn't come out as anything nice.

          I'm all for vegetarians making that choice, but not at ALL interested in being lectured to about MY choice. I have incisors, damnit, and I did not claw my way to the top of the food chain to eat soy.

          Now, before this gets ugly, can't we all just agree to live and let live, so to speak? You makes your choices and you takes your chances. Surely there are more grievous sins being committed in the world than eating and wearing animals, which at least has a long and scientifically backed history?

          Rage, rage, against the lying of the Right.

          by Maryscott OConnor on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 07:49:50 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Yes, but MSOC (4.00)
            you're not making daily posts ranting against abuses to animals when you yourself are part of the problem....

            Sort of like posting about nothing but immigrant rights and then having illegal, underpaid immigrants doing your yardwork...

          •  He didn't (4.00)

            Thanks Maryscott, didn't really want to respond and continue it on and he knows where he can go to berate me further and allow the other C&Jers to not have to look at it.

            I just look at it this way, do you think people should follow the law, and also, do you speed and cheer on deep throat?  Yikes, I sure do.  Not many people can live up to all their own expectations... I can live with that.


            Home is where the cat is

            by HK on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 08:15:38 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  Soy can be bad (4.00)
            for you, especially if you have thyroid problems and take medication for it.  I don't know what the hell this has to do with the topic under discussion, but just thought I'd mention it.  It was important info for me.
            •  Link on that? (4.00)
              I'd be interested in more info, as I'm in the same boat; I take meds & I may be looking at some thyroid surgery in the future.

              "It's an unnerving thought that we may be the living universe's supreme achievement and its worst nightmare simultaneously." -- Bill Bryson

              by Cali Scribe on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 12:00:38 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  There's a lot on the web. (4.00)
                But here is something on a hospital's web site with references. (Scroll to the end of the article.) I know this from personal experience.  I went on a diet and started drinking loads of soy milk in the morning with my coffee.  Apparently this interfered with my thyroid medication, and I was one tired puppy for awhile there.
          •  I didn't get that (4.00)
            Wry was lecturing all of us to make a vegan choice; I think he was offering another way for someone who is interested in animal abuses to take an action step.

            If we don't change direction soon, we'll end up where we're going.

            by mrsdbrown1 on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 12:22:52 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  etc. etc. (4.00)
            "I'm all for vegetarians making that choice, but not at ALL interested in being lectured to about MY choice. I have incisors, damnit, and I did not claw my way to the top of the food chain to eat soy."

            Oh. Okay.
            So then you should be able to also say:
            "I'm all for environmentalists making that save ANWR and all and saving the habitats, but not at ALL interested in being lectured to about why drilling in the refuge isn't good for Alaska's econony."

            As a matter of fact, you can substitute just about anything we care about into your statement.

            When you emphasize MY CHOICE, you should have empathy for everything the GOP has been cramming down our throats. It's THEIR choice and we should shut up too. If it affects us, so be it. Your choices. My choices. They affect everyone and eveything.

            Because that's how it goes.
            Everything you care about?
            And rant about? And write such well intentioned diaries about?
            Brings many many good things to people.
            To economies.
            Jobs are created. Profits soar.
            Food gets put on the table.
            Shareholders get rich.
            America gets rich.
            And all that.
            Sure. Some may suffer for those choices.
            But hell.
            I didn't claw my way to the top of the chain to worry about them, did I?

            It comes across pretty callous to say it doesn't matter what suffering and cruelty goes on and how it really doesn't matter because you have some teeth and hate soy.  


            •  Good points. (4.00)
              I'm still eating meat and wearing leather, though.

              : )

              Rage, rage, against the lying of the Right.

              by Maryscott OConnor on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 06:08:23 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  asdf (4.00)
                I would never ask anyone to stop doing either.
                I wore and ate both for for over 30 years.
                But I don't feel like I'm being a moralizing asswipe by asking anyone to care about how it gets to their plates and backs, and to try to force the industry to make a humane change.
                That's all I wish for.
                I used to stay quiet about it.

                Anway, that's all we do here.
                Is to try to make a change when we see something is unjust or wrong.
                Not that I talk about this often. I don't.
                I'll leave you be though.  
                This is why I take long extended breaks from dk.
                I just lost two hours of my life.


                •  This was just (4.00)
                  my second day in a row of hearing the moralizing of this.  I'm feeling a bit harried.

                  I'll work on the farm animals thing, I think i saw something about chickens recently but I had to do real work at my real job so I had to make my last couple posts short before I could investigate a little more.

                  Thanks, and I understand where you are coming from.


                  Home is where the cat is

                  by HK on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 07:36:53 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  I didn't know... (4.00)
                    About this being the 2nd day.
                    You know what it is HK?
                    And this is not me saying I'm a a better person because I care more or know more.
                    I need to stress than because I know a lot of people cringe when they hear a vegetarian talk because they think "here comes the holier than thou attitude."
                    Trust me. I'm not better than anyone ever.
                    Well. Wait. Yes I am.
                    I voted for John Kerry.

                    But I do know this.
                    Not one person in my family or circle of friends knows or has seen what I have.
                    That doesn't make me better.
                    Christ. It was going on forever and I lived a long time before I bothered to look into it.
                    But it leads to some frustration when they belittle me or roll their eyes.  
                    I've seen firsthand what the industry has done to these animals.
                    Turkeys. They're not even Turkeys anymore.
                    They are white meat mutations from hell.
                    They become crippled in a short time because they can't walk anymore they get so big. I've seen them.
                    I stood there and cried while they tried to walk and fall over.
                    But with all the scrambling of DNA, they never think to deaden the animals feelings of pain and fear.
                    This goes for all FF animals.

                    So...sometimes, people like me, and I think Wry, we live in this world where we swim upstream all the time.
                    We are the small minority and always will be.
                    And we (okay, let me just speak for me) - I just lose it because of what I know is going on this very second a billion times over.
                    And it causes a lot of tears.
                    And heartache and sorrow.
                    And when my own friends admit that they don't want to know.
                    And then make cracks about eating bacon and ham ( I sponsor some rescued animals at a Farm Sanctuary, and they think it's cute to say they ate those animals and it tasted good) it cuts pretty deep.
                    I don't think they actually think it's cute.
                    I think they are angry with me for going down this road and I think they know that deep in my heart I wish they'd at least look into what's going on and stop pretending like it's all okay even though I never ever ever ever ever ever say this outloud.
                    But I torture them when they come over and make them eat things they normally would not so I win.

                    And it's what I said.
                    I know there's a lot of V's who do get a on soapbox and act superior as if they are kinder people.
                    But the ones I know and the ones I love are those just ask for humanity and decency and kindess and compassion.

                    You had mentioned further down that you cut back and you know what?
                    That makes a difference and you are doing what you can and that's all I do too and you're a wonderful person for that.
                    I walk on the grass and I know I can kill things.
                    I eat soy and habitat was taken away from wild animals to grow that.
                    When I get sick I take drugs that animals paid the price for.
                    But I do what I can.
                    And that's what you do.
                    And I thank you for that.
                    Not that it matters that I thank you...but you know what I mean.
                    I think.
                    And in the meantime, your posts on animal cruelty are very needed and very special and very much appreciated.

                    And you and Wry and so much alike in ways that matter and I hope you guys go back to an okay place.



        •  The reason that you've subjected yourself (3.71)
          to my and HHG's questioning is that you post exclusively about animal rights and animal abuse.

          Of course other posters talk about their love for animals and still eat meat, but they're not one-issue posters.

          I'm not saying you have to be perfect; I use medications and avail myself to medical treatments which I know full well have benefitted from animal testing.  Also, even though I call myself vegan I ocassionally eat something with a dairy product in it.  This makes me a hypocrite.

          But to quit eating meat and wearing leather seems like a simple start for someone truly interested in animal welfare.

          •  Learn to use email (3.37)
            if its that awful and you need to berate me even more.  I'm not one issue, but I feel like bringing this issue up is one of those simple things I can do. Thanks.


            Home is where the cat is

            by HK on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 08:29:10 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Given the way (3.66)
              you responded when I tried to e-mail you off line, I'm a little surpised to find you're suggesting it here.

              If we don't change direction soon, we'll end up where we're going.

              by mrsdbrown1 on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 12:18:40 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  Yet it was (3.40)
                still better than arguing in C&J... No?


                Home is where the cat is

                by HK on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 12:26:42 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

              •  Plus (4.00)
                I refrained from downrating the person I didn't agree with in C&J, neat-o.


                Home is where the cat is

                by HK on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 03:02:56 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  If you're being downrated (4.00)
                  my guess is that it has nothing to do with disagreement, it has to do with the tone of your replies.

                  Maybe you didn't mean it that way, but some of your responses are coming off rather badly, telling pople they should "learn" to do things and such.  That's why I rated that comment a 2; it had nothing to do with disagreement, or hell, I'd be downrating a lot of the baseball posts  & suchlike 'cause I root for the <suffering> Mets.

                  But I can't really speak for why other people are rating as they do.  I'm just trying to stick around long enough to explain my own self and sort out any misunderstandings.

                  If we don't change direction soon, we'll end up where we're going.

                  by mrsdbrown1 on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 06:51:10 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

            •  mrsbrown makes an excellent suggestion below. (4.00)
              I have nothing but love for your C & J posts, and I don't care whether or not you're a vegetarian or have a leather couch, and I don't find them out of sync with the rest of C & J -- in fact, I find them an invaluable PART of the C & J experience.

              But mrsbrown made one excellent suggestion a few posts below this one: Given your prolific abilities in terms of gathering and posting animal abuse issues, I think it would be an EXCELLENT daily or weekly diary series. I know I'D read it -- and I think you'd find such diaries leaping to the RD list upon each posting.

              Please consider it -- it's a niche not yet claimed here at DKos, and you seem like the perfect person to fill it.

              Rage, rage, against the lying of the Right.

              by Maryscott OConnor on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 12:31:31 PM PDT

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          •  Is C&J the place to criticize? (4.00)
            HK posts thoughtful and painful information on a daily basis.

            Kudos to HK for having the patience to do this research and let us know about it. We choose the information we share and lives we live - Cheers & Jeers is where we share info

            ...criticisms belong in the shark tank.

            Just my .02

            C&J - "highly entertaining spankers, wankers and perverts." - Cosmic Debris

            by SallyCat on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 09:10:04 AM PDT

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            •  I know, I should probably (4.00)
              not put my toe in this water, and it's late in the thread, but here goes:

              HK, I know you and I have had our differences.

              I think people's blood pressure rises when instead of engaging in a discussion, where you'll find some people agree with you and others don't, that your tendancy to cut off people-- to say things along the lines of "I'm going to just ignore you" or "I don't want to discuss it" and offer a little cyber shrug does not win you any respect.

              By all means, make whatever choices you want, post whatver you want in C&J, but posting publicly means being ready to accept criticsm and challenges and arguments-- and hopefully, engaging others in debate so we can all learn.

              Personally, I find that you often have the first post on C&J, and since it's so often a litany of unbelievable cruelty, I just skip it, becuase it's so discordant to me after reading Bill's most excellent snark.  

              But to each his own taste, in C&J and elsewhere.  I offer a respectful suggestion to post your own, maybe weekly, series, on the politics of animal rights & abuses, with suggestions on groups to donate to and ways in which people can help.

              This way people who are interested can follow along with you, and others who don't want heaping doses of stories about kitten bashing doled out next to the cute pootie pics can find a calmer place to rest their eyes.

              If we don't change direction soon, we'll end up where we're going.

              by mrsdbrown1 on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 12:17:01 PM PDT

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              •  Yeah (3.40)
                shoulda just stayed out of it.  I easily skip several peoples posts w/o reading them.


                Home is where the cat is

                by HK on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 12:28:40 PM PDT

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                •  Hey, it's a free (4.00)
                  blog.  Now you're telling me what public conversations I can and cannot get involved in?

                  I have NEVER said you shouldn't post.  It is harder, though, to skip when you are the first poster so very often.

                  If we don't change direction soon, we'll end up where we're going.

                  by mrsdbrown1 on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 12:36:33 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  No, I gave an opinion (none)
                    Hey, its a free blog right?  Everyone is voicing their opinions, there was mine.  I'm not that often the first poster, certainly it goes to a few main people.  And I didn't say you said I shouldn't post?  Not sure where you got that one.


                    Home is where the cat is

                    by HK on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 03:00:10 PM PDT

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                    •  I got the idea (4.00)
                      when you told me right above here:
                      (you) "shoulda just stayed out of it."

                      If I'm misinterpreting that as your telling me what to post and not to post, then I apologize.

                      If we don't change direction soon, we'll end up where we're going.

                      by mrsdbrown1 on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 06:42:27 PM PDT

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                      •  Shoulda (3.00)
                        is not a demand or command, at least i never took it as one.  Stay out of it, don't ever comment on my comments again, those might have qualified.. but I just told you my opinion of you jumping in.  Thanks for the apology.


                        Home is where the cat is

                        by HK on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 07:16:33 PM PDT

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                •  I guess... (4.00)
                  you can add my name to that list, huh?

                  "Gahm, you're gonna be a burger flipper someday..." - My Ninth Grade Chemistry teacher Mr. Pritchard

                  by the holy handgrenade on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 01:00:34 PM PDT

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      •  Not a popular question, but.... (4.00)
        you mentioned chickens housed in cages the size of car batteries.

        What are you talking about?

        Most commercial chicken production on the East Coast, at least) is done in large broiler houses. I often joke with friends who live in other parts of Marylan and receive modern conveniences like cable that the chickens typically live in better conditions than the farmers raising them. The houses are climate controlled, heated and cooled within specific ranges, and kept clean.

        Granted, the end of the stay for the chickens in question isn't what they'd like, and when making the one way trip to the factory they are housed briefly in small cages. But as a lifelong resident of the town housing the world headquaters of Perdue, let's just say I've seen a few chicken houses. And none employed the conditions you described.

        I respect the choice some make about vegetarianism. But it's not for me and never will be, and God help anyone who tries to tell me I MUST eat tofu instead of hamburger.

        Jesus Christ - The original non-conformist.

        by duck on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 08:13:15 AM PDT

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        •  Acutallly... (4.00)
          some veggie burgers aren't as bad as people make them out to be, not quite the same but decent.  I liked the veggie equivilent of ground beef, was good in tacos.... I don't know about tofu though.

          And yeah, it really depends on who is running the farm on how good or bad the animals are treated.  


          Home is where the cat is

          by HK on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 08:18:59 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Cube your tofu, (4.00)
            and get the kind that's packed in water, not the shelf-stable stuff (better flavor), then lightly salt it and saute it in a pan with a little olive oil until it just starts to turn golden. It's fantastic! Sort of nutty and sweet.

            I don't understand the protests you're getting for the posts you're doing. It seems a very bizarre objection. You just keep doing what you're doing!

            "Yeah, so what?"

            by Debby on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 09:57:15 AM PDT

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            •  Thanks Debby (4.00)
              I appreciate the support.  I'm kinda just scratching my head over it myself.  

              Thanks for the tip for tofu as well, i'm just a little nervous about trying it but we'll see if the grocery store carries that type or not.


              Home is where the cat is

              by HK on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 11:39:28 AM PDT

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          •  I like your posts. (4.00)
            And think you're a kind person with a good heart.
            And since you do so much research into animal cruelty...
            maybe you can start posting what factory farms do to animals too.
            I think then you would see it doesn't matter who's running the farms.
            Corporations run them.
            Family farms with animals are long long gone.
            So ot has nothing to do with who runs them.
        •  This is what I'm talking about: (4.00)
          •  last one on the bus. (4.00)
            I haven't read dk in weeks, and it's odd on my first day back, I read this thread, and can only sigh.

            And it's probably going to be my only post in a long long time. And I so know I'm going to ramble, even though there's no one here anymore.
            I'll do this for me, if nothing else.

            It's confusing and so very disheartening to me how so many of my liberal friends, and many in the liberal community, which profess to care for the environment and endangered species, and cruelty against animals, seems to draw this line in the sand when it comes to animals used for food consumption are treated.

            That line in the sand comes with a statement: "I like my hamburger, so shut the hell up when it comes to telling me how the sausage is made."

            And I don't get that.
            I hate the expression.
            What the hell do you mean you don't want to know how it's made?
            Why? Because you know by that cliché alone how nasty if not horrific it must be?
            You might find out about this?

            I get how conservatives can say that.
            How they can not care.
            From what I've heard, read, and seen firsthand -
            They don't give a shit about anything.
            They don't care about no WMD's.
            This unjust war.
            Poverty. Hunger. Starvation.
            Uninsured hurting people.
            The soldiers at Walter Reed.
            The slaughtered Iraqi civilians.
            I don't need to go on.

            So all the Liberals I know do care about the above.
            Most (that I know) don't shop at Wal Mart because they care about the low wages paid, the sweat shops, the human misery WalMart causes.
            They'd like to save money, but they don't.
            Some desperately would benefit those low prices, but the make the sacrifice.
            I don't shop there for the same reasons. Ever.
            I don't patronize any business that supports things that I find abhorrent.
            I joined Amnesty International because I care about the wretched actions we bestow upon the world.
            I joined the ACLU, not because I think I'll be needing them, but because others do.
            I have friends who've done the same.

            They want to know about the misery in the world.
            That's what I love about Liberals.
            They make themselves know, even when it doesn't affect them, because they understand what Bharak was talking about when he said you have to care about your brothers and sisters who have nothing, even if you do.

            All my friends are "blue".
            And all my friends are okay under the GOP.
            They're all pretty well off.
            Safe and secure in their professions.
            They all have health insurance.
            Outsourcing is not going to ever affect them.
            And this is a fact. Not a maybe.
            They got the tax cuts.
            And yet they all care about the have nots.
            Even though they have.

            Yet, when it comes to Factory Farms, they don't want to hear it.
            They close down.
            And I see it here.
            And everywhere.  
            All of a sudden, all this desire to know about what's real out there, comes to a grinding halt.
            Why? Does the sausage taste that good that it doesn't matter how it got to a plate?
            Or is it because they're just stupid animals?
            Then why care about dogs and cats? Are they more "sentient" than a cow? A pig? A sheep?
            Do you know that a pig has the intelligence of a German Sheppard?

            There are no family farms anymore that raise these animals.
            Drive around the "heartland". You won't see the pigs, cows, and sheep running around.
            They are here. . And they are here.
            And anyone who says the conditions there aren't so horrifically inhumane, utterly violent, cruel and mind-bendingly heartbreaking beyond belief is in utter G.O.P/ denial.

            Any Liberal who says that Perdue, or Tyson, or any of the meat industries give a shit about the animals and how they are treated is in GOP denial.
            It's the bottom line. As it is with all corporations.
            The bottom line say the more animals you squeeze into boxes and cages..
            the more you don't care about the conditions and how they are killed, means more profit and more happy shareholders.
            And we all know this about corporations.

            I'm now resigned to all of this.
            But seeing it here raised feelings that I normally keep in check.
            I don't lecture anyone.
            My choices are mine.

            I became a Vegetarian after someone called me on a few things.
            I didn't like (hated more like it) fur coats.
            I was angry at hunters.
            I would voice this anger to someone as I chowed down a quarter pounder.
            So I agreed to watch a video. Because even though I ate meat, and liked it -
            I wasn't going to draw that line, because I never did it with anything else.
            That's what I'm not getting.
            Why someone won't even look into what goes on in slaughterhouses.
            Because "They couldn't handle it". Or, "Blech. Just let me see it in aisle four in a nice package with the price on it. ".
            So do they think that it just goes away? It never will. It gets worse in these places every day. Every year.

            I so know most of the world will eat meat.
            I so know that will never change.
            I am the only vegetarian in my group of friends.
            And I never ever ever ever get on my soapbox.
            But I get so damn frustrated that they don't care about the conditions, the treatment, the horrors that go on every second.
            If it ever does come up, and I'm not the one that does it, I hear the immediate shut down process begin.
            And it always ends me "Nobody better take away my meat man, god help them.".
            Go ahead. Eat. But can you care? Can you admit that it's inhuman?
            That it would break your heart if you saw what went on?
            And I'm talking about the FACTORY FARMS. Just that.
            If animals were raised on farms like they used to be  fifty years ago, this would not even be an issue.
            I might still be eating meat, who knows.
            I don' t miss it though. And  I'm tired of the shocked looks on people's faces when they find out I don't eat it.
            That's what's starting to piss me off.
            I don't talk about my food choices.
            But as soon as someone finds out, and it's always from someone else, I get the freakin treatment.
            They're all worried I'm going to act superior or god knows what's on their minds, and I have to sit through:
            "Don't tomatoes have feelings? Are you crazy? You gotta eat meat. You're made to eat meat. I bet you wear leather (I don't.) Like fish have feelings?".
            Blah blah blah blah.
            Like it's so damn facinating what I eat and don't eat. It never ends.

            Anyway, This is a Liberal Issue.
            Liberals care about things like this.
            About the unnecessary cruelty and greed and anguish.
            Then again. <sigh> I'm starting to see I may be wrong about that too.
            Because even here I read that human reverences are far more important, and this is just a non issue.

            I'm done. But I'm holding back tears as I write this because...I don't know.
            It must makes me cry. No one I know, knows 99 percent of what goes on in those places.
            I cry because they don't even want to know. They refuse to look into it.
            To read about it. To watch the videos. To confront this. .
            And this.
            God. Just Google it like you google what brand underwear Bush craps in.  

            I don't get it. Which is how they started this.
            Cows are not stupid. Someone wrote that in a recommenced diary a few weeks back and everyone agreed.
            They are gentle creatures who scream in terror.
            As are pigs. The smell the fear and horror around them and just scream so much that it's hell on earth.
            It's an endless cyle of suffering.
            And it's just really something how we can lecture and talk about everything evil and wrong in this world, but can't raise this issue without being called crazy or being shut down.
            And don't anyone ever say we don't lecture , soapbox and grandstand on dk.
            We just aren't supposed to do that about hamburgers.


            •  Jpschmid, thank you (4.00)
              for posting such a thoughtful and reasoned reply.

              I'm not a vegetarian, but you've given me much "food for thought."  Perhaps I will make that choice some day, and perhaps I won't but I appreciate your insights and will consider your points.

              If we don't change direction soon, we'll end up where we're going.

              by mrsdbrown1 on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 06:55:20 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  You wrote... (4.00)
                some really really nice comments today.
                Then again. You always do.
                I was just moved by your kindness today in how you addressed this.
                Especially since..well, it doesn't matter.
                You have such a gentle heart.
                That's what matters. That's all that ever ever matters.  
                I so wish John and I went to HF over the weekend.
                We missed out on meeting some of the best people ever on this blog.I know you where there.  
                And I missed meeting the great Carnacki.


                •  I'm so sorry (none)
                  we didn't get to meet you both at HF!  
                  But DC is only about a 4 hour drive for us, and we pop up a few times a year for one thing or another, and I know the group had such a good time that more meet ups may well be in the works---so we'll look forward to cathcing you next time!

                  If we don't change direction soon, we'll end up where we're going.

                  by mrsdbrown1 on Fri Jun 03, 2005 at 07:44:11 AM PDT

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            •  I've written (4.00)
              a few things about factory farms.  However, I've decided not to completely cut meat out of my diet. No apologies, I can only say eating meat 2 or 3 times a month is better than those eating it almost every day.  

              Maybe if people ate as little as I did, it would be more of a treat, people would pay more allowing for smaller outfits to get into the business, generally they treat their animals better.  

              Just a thought.


              Home is where the cat is

              by HK on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 07:21:41 PM PDT

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            •  You said it much better than I did (4.00)
              I don't bring this issue up very much at all because I've learned that DailyKos is a Democratic, partisan political blog.  It is NOT a liberal blog.  And there's nothing wrong with that.  If I want to rant and vent on animal rights I can find other blogs.

              My view on all issues is "I want to know."  If the clothes I buy are being made in a sweatshop in Cambodia in inhumane conditions, I want to know.  And if the food I eat it created from cruelty, whether it be to animals or to unfair conditions for migrant workers, I want to know.

              Expose the truth, and then make your decisions.

              Thanks for your post.

              •  I know.... (none)
                It's why I think I never bring it up.
                But I'm starting to get sick and tired of not being able to bring it up for all the reasons I stated.
                If it was about anything else, I could.
                That is just insane.
                And maybe I'll view it as you opened the door for me.
                This way. I can blame you all the time when I get 0's.

                I'm curious - did you ever go visit the Farm Sanctuary since it looks like you're not that far from it?


                •  Yes, in fact (none)
                  I applied for a job there.  They offered me one, but the salary was too low.  Not that I blame them; they're a non-profit and are mostly looking for idealistic, just-out-of-college workers.  Me, I'm 40 years old and have bills to pay.

                  But it's a cool place to visit and it things work out in the future...I'd much rather work for hogs than work for Hogs, if you know what I mean...

                  Your concepts are a stake to which a donkey can be tethered for 10 million years ~Zen saying

                  by wry twinger on Mon Jun 06, 2005 at 12:48:00 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  :-) we sponser (none)
                    some animals there.
                    i got john a pig and a bunny for christmas.
                    he gets me a cow for valentines day.
                    yeah. we've been together since 92.
                    these are gifts we get each other now.
                    go figure.
                    we've been there a few times.
                    just last month we stayed at the b&b.
                    and we're going up again next week for a few days.
                    john races in the local bmw chapter, so you know what's only a few miles away.

                    i've never been so isolated from the real world in my entire life as when we go there.
                    the cabins have no tv, radio, or phones.
                    which is fine.
                    i go newsless and just relax.
                    not that i've listend to the real news since 11/3.
                    and i find temporary peace there for a few days.
                    just not feeling out of the mainstream all the time.

                    yeah - i can't see you making it on that salary.
                    i figured the pay had to be low.
                    especially since that's what we see when we visit, young students.

                    now that we sponser, we get special visitation "rights. it's pretty cool.

                    you should come visit when we're up. :-)
                    john and just won in a local election tonight for democratic committee seats - so we're big time now. (no. that is a lie. grunt seats - but still. we won. wooohooo!)


        •  probably egg farms (4.00)
          Here in Ohio we had Buckeye Egg farms. One of our fine investigative reporters went undercover there.  The story of how he passed the employment interview is almost as sad as the conditions for the workers there.  Needless to say, the conditions for the hens were even worse.  After I read that story I went from buying grocery store factory farmed eggs to locally produced, free range eggs.  

          Buckeye Eggs was finally run out of business by the Ohio EPA after many many years of complaints and noncompliance.

          Tyranny goes with poverty;it's cheaper than democracy. (Larry Niven)

          by Fabian on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 08:36:53 AM PDT

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        •  what are you talking about?? (4.00)
          and a comment straight out of the tyson handbook about how wonderful chickens are treated it gets fours.
          the wonderful world of c and j.
          Broiler chickens are now genetic mutations that suffer every day of their life.

          Broiler Chickens
          The broiler chicken industry produces 6 billion chickens a year for slaughter. This industry is ruled by only 60 companies which have created an oligopoly. Broiler chickens are selectively bred and genetically altered to produce bigger thighs and breasts, the parts in most demand. This breeding creates birds so heavy that their bones cannot support their weight, making it difficult for them to stand. The birds are bred to grow at an astonishing rate, reaching their market weight of 3 1/2 pounds in seven weeks. Broilers are raised in overcrowded broiler houses instead of cages to prevent the occurrence of bruised flesh which would make their meat undesirable. Their beaks and toes are cut off and the broiler houses are usually unlit to prevent fighting among the birds.

          •  Not all places (4.00)
            do this (a lot maybe but not all), is what i believe the person was talking about...Some are humane, I know, hard to believe.


            Home is where the cat is

            by HK on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 07:24:12 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  I live 300 yards from a family-run broiler farm... (none)
            and I know what I'm talking about.

            I lived around chicken farms all my life in Salisbury, MD, and when I went to the University of MD in College Park, I thought I'd finally gotten away from them.

            But my first dorm ended up being right next to the Ag school and its chicken houses.

            Maybe egg farms house chickens in such a manner. There aren't many where I live, if any, so I don't know. I'm just saying, as a person who has lived in a chicken-raising area all of my life and every house I've ever lived in has been within 1000 yards of chicken houses, the conditions described in the original post are NOT common in broiler raising.

            It irks me when people who've lived surrounded by concrete and road names like 125th Ave. decide to tell ME about the details and morality of rural life. Maybe that's why Rosie O'Donnell's gun hysterics annoy me so much. Like she ever knew anyone who went hunting or fishing in her life.

            Demonizing the enemy just makes him more sympathetic. Usually, the truth will suffice.

            Again, be at peace with your vegetarianism. And I'll keep eating meat and sleeping good at night. Can we agree to disagree?

            Jesus Christ - The original non-conformist.

            by duck on Thu Jun 16, 2005 at 03:52:27 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

    •  Jeers to abuse in its many forms.... (4.00)
      like this example of ass photo abuse:

      "Gahm, you're gonna be a burger flipper someday..." - My Ninth Grade Chemistry teacher Mr. Pritchard

      by the holy handgrenade on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 07:11:30 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  My husband is (4.00)
      a vagitarian :)

      Thank you for your posts HK

      All men are created equal - some just stick out more.

      by Damnit Janet on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 08:36:27 AM PDT

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    •  PETA...Political Entertainment while Taping Abuses (none)
      No...I am not a troll, but just irritated enought to post this morning.

      Jeers to legalities, you say?  Two wrongs do not make a right.  There are other legal and ethical ways to go about this.  While Ms. Leitten and PETA statements are 'protect the animals', the method in which they go about delivering this message is pure politics.  The taping was illegal, and Ms. Leitten and PETA wouldn't last five seconds in any court in the land.  They knew that...but it sure looks good on TV, doesn't it?

      To be honest, I'm hoping one of these companies sues the living shit out of her and PETA, and gives them enought of a financial scare that they think twice about this sort of activity.

      I am NOT for animal abuse or experimentation of ANY kind.  I'm saying that if you espouse ETHICS (hello...what does PETA stand for?), you should use those methods to achieve your goals.  In my mind, this puts a smear on PETA...willing to scrape the bottom of the barrel and break laws to get whatever they need for their political goals.

      Put that way, it sounds a lot like Tom Delay, doesn't it?

      "He's a little bit afraid of dying, but he's a lot more afraid of your lying" -- Rush The Weapon

      by pfrets on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 09:28:12 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Ummm (4.00)
        that was why I added the Jeers, because it wasn't particularly legal...  Despite making sure the people who are doing the taping took nothing and did not expose the companies trade secrets, the people who do the taping are not doing something legal, at least I doubt it is.

        Sorry it wasn't particularly clear.  I don't always agree with what PETA does but I'm still glad the abuses came to light, one of those hypocritical things, I think people should follow the law but at the same time, stuff happens.  I would hope they could get people jobs, they could see the illegal abuse of animals, be a whistleblower, which limits them to one job unfortunately and possibly get the issue fixed.


        Home is where the cat is

        by HK on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 11:49:48 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  More Cheers, More Jeers (4.00)
    Cheers to finally using the "L" word.  First Galloway, now our fearless Senate Minority Leader, calling our fearless leader by his real title Liar, Liar, Liar, Liar, boy that felt good.

    Jeers to more bombing in Iraq.  Short Juan Cole, "We're screwed"

    Jeers to the housing bubble.  And to Greenspan for helping to feed it. For all of my friends and acquaintances who've taken out interest-only mortgages, I promise not to say `I told you so' when this all ends in tears.  

    Cheers to John Edwards.  I just read some of his stuff on Josh's new TPM café.  Imagine, a policy wonk addressing the issue of poverty.

    Cheers to BinPM.  This Cheers and Jeers thing is hard work, I mean hard work.  Can't imagine doing this every day.

    •  Just Big Fat Housing Jeers (4.00)
      I can't afford to buy a house right now, since I am trying to be responsible and not take out an interest only mortgage. It's June and I have no house and therefore no garden, which just kills me.

      Jeers to the short-sighted morons who drive up housing prices by taking out fantasy mortgages (the fantasy being that they'll ever by able to pay the mortgage back).

      •  Of course... (4.00)
        ...if I owned one of those babies that's now priced at three times what I paid for it, I'd be happy to sell it to one of those suckers and move into the flat next to yours.

        What did we do to deserve George W. Bush?

        by republicans are idiots on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 08:13:12 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Sad Stories (4.00)
          I did sell my house for about three times what I paid for it, but had to split the proceeds with the ex. Neither of us can now afford to buy a house.

          Wait, I mean neither of us can afford to buy a house in a financially responsible manner. It's getting more tempting every day to take the Repuglican massive debt financing road to instant gratification.

      •  Stupid interest only loans.... (4.00)
        The statistic I heard on NPR yesterday was something to the effect of 50+ % of new mortgages are interest only.  And while this does have the unfortunate side-effect of driving home prices to ridiculous heights, I think it's going to have an unexpected good side when the bubble does burst.  Hear me out:

        Step 1:  Bubble bursts.  Interest rates go up, home prices fall.
        Step 2:  People with interest only or ARMs find  that they suddenly can't sell their house for anywhere near what they paid for it or their payments increasing exponentially.
        Step 3:  They get foreclosed on, or take a hit and sell it at a (hopefully big) loss.
        (Yeah, it should end here but it doesn't)
        Step 4:  I talk to my friendly local banker and get a list of foreclosed properties.

        That's when I'm going to buy my house.  It's kinda like schadenfreude with benefits.

        Granted, this theoretical burst will also affect responsible people who saved their 20% down payment and got a 15 or 30 year fixed mortgage, but not nearly so much as all the morons who couldn't bother to be fiscally responsible.

  •  A Quickie... (4.00)

    Cheers to doing that which no one can do for you.

    Tsk, tsk, all those people whacking it in one place at one time... I wonder why the RNC decided to have their leadership meeting in SF...

    As long as the prerequisite for that shining Paradise is ignorance, bigotry, and hate... I say the Hell with it. --Inherit the Wind

    by kingubu on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 06:51:40 AM PDT

  •  Cheers to Children's books (3.96)
    and the authors who write them.

    Cheers to BiPM for the smile this morning.
    Jeers to ...  hmmm nothing to jeer about today.  

    Oh HAPPY DAY... <give it a while>

    Socially libertarian, Fiscally conservative, 100% Democrat. Cheney unity!

    by No One No Where on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 06:53:57 AM PDT

    •  Children's Books Republicans Hate (4.00)
      The Giving Tree-- Shel Silverstien
      [teaches generosity and gratefulness]

      The Better Butter Battle-- Dr. Seuss

      Arthur's First Sleepover, an Arthur Adventure-- Marc Brown
      [Arthur, Buster...need I say more?]

      Harold and the Purple Crayon -- Crockett Johnson
      [You know what PURPLE means...]

      Pat the Bunny -- Dorothy Kunhardt
      [too much touching]

      Make Way for Ducklings-- Robert McCloskey
      [unnecessary government intervention, environmentalism stopping commerce and traffic]

      Life Story-- Virginia Lee Burton
      [evolution made simple...too simple...]

      •  I love Harold! (4.00)
        But he got me in a LOT of trouble as a child.  He was my hero and HE was allowed to draw on walls......
      •  Don't forget... (4.00)
        Click, Clack, Moo!

        union organizing farm animals!

      •  more children's books (4.00)
        How, in this growing listing, can we forget The Pushcart War? It depicts a political (and extrapolitical) battle between Big Business, as represented by the trucking companies, with ever-bigger trucks driven by nasty drivers working for even nastier owners, and motivated only by the Almighty Dollar, and the common man and woman, as represented by pushcart vendors, an eclectic bunch of lovable characters. CHEERS to Maxie the Puchcart King, General Anna, Harry the Hot Dog, Mr. Jerusalem, Morris the Florist, Frank the Flower, and the rest of the army. And CHEERS to Jean Merrill for telling the story to all of us.
    •  Cheers to Yertle the Turtle! (4.00)
      The good Dr's masterpiece, in my opinion, and the best kids' book of all time. Four short stories, each totally subversive in its own way. The overall message is tolerance of diversity and just the kind of radical propaganda to scare the bejeezus out of a winger. Highly recommended!
  •  Cheers for fighting the man (4.00)
    Jeers to Chase's credit card division for issuing Master and Visa cards with RFID tags.
    The cards contain an ISO 14443-compliant RIFD tag, used to process payments through an RFID-enabled point-of-sale terminal."
    This ISO 14443 tag is the same as that being used in the new REAL ID cards.  Welcome to the brave new world!

    Cheers for seriously taking on Walmart.  

    WAL-MART: The High Cost of Low Price takes the viewer on a deeply personal journey into the everyday lives of families struggling to fight goliath.

  •  Cheery Jeery Thursday (4.00)
    Cheers & Jeers for June 2nd

    Skeery Jeery Cheers to the Marquis de Sade - the man for whom SADIST and SADISM are named - born on June 2, 1740.

    Jeers to old-time fundamentalists..... Lord George Gordon, a retired British Navy Lieutenant, collected thousands of signatures on a petition to overturn the 1778 Catholic Relief Act, which freed Catholics from restrictions. With 50,000 people at his back shouting, "No Popes! Down with the Catholic Relief Bill!", Gordon marched to Parliament on June 2nd, 1780 to present the petition. After several days of rioting, the army was finally called in and nearly 500 people were killed or wounded before the "Gordon Riots" were stopped. 52 of the ringleaders were later convicted and about 25 executed for their part in the episode. The Catholic Relief Act was not overturned.

    Jeers to Maximillian Robespierre, who initiated the "Reign of Terror" on June 2nd, 1793, intending to purge those suspected of treason against the French Republic; over the next year, 17,000 would be executed. The Bush administration has read extensively on the period....

    Jeers to NO RUM AND COKE THURSDAYS..... on this date in 1851, Maine - yes, MAINE! - became the first U.S. state to enact a law prohibiting alcohol. MAINE. PROHIBITED. ALCOHOL. I just don't get it.... Maine?!?

    Cheers to graduates.... Sir Edward Elgar, composer of the march, Pomp and Circumstance, was born on this day in 1857.

    Cheers to the color white.... on June 2nd, 1886, Grover Cleveland became the first U.S. president to get hitched at the White House.

    Cheers to Tarzan of the Apes.... Johnny Weissmuller, probably the best-known Tarzan portrayal, was born on this date in 1904. He was also an Olympic gold medal swimmer, in 1924 & '28.

    Cheers to baseball on June 2nd.....
    In 1922, 1st baseman Suffy McInnis ends an errorless string of 1,700 chances, but nobody will tell me what team he played for!
    In 1941, sadly, baseball great Lou Gehrig died in New York of the degenerative disease Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (ALS, or Lou Gehrig's Disease).
    In 1959, Ted Williams (the Splendid [ice] Splinter) of the Boston Red Sox got the 2,500th hit of his career.

    Jeers to being late.... on June 2, 1924, the U.S. Congress finally granted U.S. Citizenship to all American Indians um, Earlier Americans sheesh, Native Americans.

    Cheers to the little ones; in 1930, the first baby born while passing through the Panama Canal - rather than the birth canal - was born on this date.

    Cheers to The Beaver! Jerry Mathers was born on June 2nd, 1948, and yes, June DID always say that Ward was a little hard on the beaver....

    Cheers to Allen Ginsberg,who wrote his poem "Lysergic Acid" in San Francisco on this date in 1959, while tripping on LSD:
    It is a multiple million eyed monster
    it is hidden in all its elephants and selves
    it hummeth in the electric typewriter
    it is electricity connected to itself, if it hath wires
    it is a vast Spiderweb
    and I am on the last millionth infinite tentacle of the spiderweb, a worrier
    lost, separated, a worm, a thought, a self
    one of the millions of skeletons of China
    one of the particular mistakes
    I allen Ginsberg a separate consciousness
    I who want to be God ...

    "Allen Ginsberg is both tragic and dynamic, a lyrical genius, a con-man extraordinaire and probably the single greatest influence on American poetical voice since Whitman."
                      - Bob Dylan

    Jeers to Dick "Dick" Cheney. Because he should be jeered every freakin' day.

    GOP: Invading personal privacy ©¿©¬ and proud of it!

    by PBen on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 06:54:31 AM PDT

    •  Love that last Jeer (4.00)
      and I wholeheartedly concur...

      Socially libertarian, Fiscally conservative, 100% Democrat. Cheney unity!

      by No One No Where on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 07:10:24 AM PDT

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      •  cheery cheers and jeery jeers (4.00)
        CHEERS to my graduation from college last Sunday

        CHEERS to the fact that instead of playing 'Pomp and Circumstance' they played jazz (live) for the marching in/out!!!!!!

        JEERS to watching my sister look at class options for next semester, and I don't get to take any more :(

        CHEERS to sleeping in!!

        CHEERS to waking up to the dailykos!

        CHEERS to trying the dailykos login on the Augusta Chronicle (in Augusta, GA) and it working.

        JEERS to not being able to find "Hitchhiker's" in any local movie theatre.

        CHEERS to the first swimming pool in the White House on this day in 1933.  You go, FDR.

        JEERS? to the creation of the PLO on thiy day in 1964.  If only that conflict could have ended back then....

        CHEERS to you!

        "If I am not for myself, who will be for me? If I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when? -Hillel Pennachio

        by TigerX on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 08:04:39 AM PDT

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  •  Sherm's Linkless & Sleepless in NH C&J (4.00)
    Cheers to understanding boss-friends ... `We just want you happy & healthy' ... flex-time is fine.  Yay.

    Cheers to BIPM ...Cheers to the Café Crowd ... Just too funny...

    Jeers to someone being in an extremely pissy-shit bad mood last nite and taking it out on me and my computer usage ... Bite me ...

    Cheers to resolving things this morning ... all is well ... respect & apologies ...

    Cheers to Sweet Nectar of the Gods COFFEE ... bleep blick slrurge ... bbblbb ... pinch ... green light ...warm... ah ... my coffee IV is IN... phew

    Cheers to yet again a nite of little sleep... let's see, 4.5 + 3.75 ...5, 2, carry the hr of actual sleep in the past 3 days.  Ok, so that's 3 into 8...2, 2 left over, 2 into 20... =, so 2, no wait...3 into 10... no...need pen & paper... ah, 3 into 2.2 is...duho...7, into 12 =  2.75 hr of sleep in the past 3 nites... I'm running on fumes (& coffee drips...)... WWWHOOOOOOSHHHHHH

    Jeers re-aggravating that ole eye injury when I don't get enough sleep, but Cheers cuz I can feel it, but it doesn't hurt nearly as much as it has before  

    Cheers  to a new way to ask `How old are you?'... save that question for the youngsters ... Approach another with, `Pardon me, if you don't mind my asking, in which decade do you reside?'  Rather tactful, methinks...

    I'm ready...8:28am...bring it on Bill!  OK, there's work to be done ... Happy Thursday!!

    "We don't see things as they are. We see them as we are." ~ Anais Nin

    by shermanesq on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 06:56:03 AM PDT

    •  pissy-shit bad moods (4.00)
      Sure, go ahead.... just sit there!!

      (pic from)
      Digital Postcards® : ANIMALS

      GOP: Invading personal privacy ©¿©¬ and proud of it!

      by PBen on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 12:09:33 PM PDT

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    •  on sleeplessness... (4.00)
      Sherm - probably you've already done all the obvious stuff... but in case you haven't... have you thought about cutting down on the caffeine, at least late in the day? I used to drink coffee all day long and into the evening, but eventually I started having trouble sleeping. I stopped drinking coffee (and cut out other sources of caffeine - you'd be surprised what has caffeine in it) after noon, and the problem went away. Getting exercise helps too.


      •  Thanks Sean (4.00)
        It's been an absolutely crazy ridiculous week ... unlike any I've had before ... yes, if I drink coffee after 3pm, it keeps me up til midnite ... I do realize this ... other than that, I drink aqua ... just a short-term phase now, but thanks for the tips!  :)

        (0 + 4.5 + 3.75 + 3.5) / 4 = 2.9375 avg ... ugh

        by shermanesq on Fri Jun 03, 2005 at 04:52:16 AM PDT

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        •  Shermanesq - (none)
          I don't know about you,
          but I know that I sleep a lot less when there's sunlight - any chance that the sudden appearance of blueskies & sunshine (nevermind all the stress you've been under lately:>) might have a bit to do with latenights & early mornings, and that (if you don't stress about lack of sleep) it'll straighten itself out?

          just a thought.

          •  Thestral ~ (4.00)
            Yes, I too also sleep a lot less in the sunshiney summer time.  I do think it'll all even out ... I think that first Monday nite with absolutely no sleep did not do me well for the remaining nites...

            I'm trying not to stress on it ... I'll be able to sleep in tomorrow a bit ... Right now, it's the cummulative effect that is really getting to me...

            Thanks for your thoughts!
            Hugs to you!!

  •  Re: Marital longevity (4.00)
    You missed the real secret to a long marriage (at 105, you don't have to fake being asleep): she takes a glass of sherry at lunch, and a fifth of whiskey at night...

    The UCC: to believe is to care, to care is to do. Also, they have cookies.

    by pastordan on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 06:56:43 AM PDT

  •  Texas CNJ's (4.00)
    Just a cheer for all my buddies at Texas Kos.  There are some excellent discussions every day.

    Today's Bird Photo

    Male Indigo Bunting

    Female Bunting

    I have never seen one of these birds but I had a discussion yesterday with some of my DKos friends. I believe it was Thestral that saw one.

    Cheers Everyone!

    Blue guy in a red state.

    by txbirdman on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 06:57:13 AM PDT

    •  indigo bunting (4.00)
      I used to see the occasional indigo bunting in the bracken by my old house. What glorious birds. Sort of like seeing a blue moon--that rare.
      •  Interesting... (4.00)
        ...indigo buntings are as common as crows (well, goldfinches, anyway) here in the middle of Missouri from mid-April until midsummer.  They seem to show up about the same time as the redwing blackbirds.  I suspect they hang around later than that, but maybe the male plumage becomes less stunningly brilliant as the summer wears on so perhaps we just don't notice them as much.  Drive down any gravel road around here -- especially during mid-morning in the spring -- and you'll see six or eight male indigo buntings per mile.  They are hard to miss, their blue plumage is almost electric in its intensity!  I am not sure why they have such a liking for the gravel roads and roadsides.  I rarely see them on the blacktop roads, and not nearly as often out in the woods or fields or even along the creek banks. I have heard that their central and south American winter habitats are threatened more every year (like so many of our migratory songbirds) and that their numbers are declining, but it's hard to tell that from the numbers of birds we see here.  I had no idea they were rare elsewhere up here in El Norte.
        •  I've lived in Ithaca 12 years (4.00)
          I've seen two the whole time. Very sad, because they're so gloriously beautiful. I've seen more scarlet tanagers and rose-breasted grosbeaks.

          Most common (after sparrows, finches, robins, grackles, and starlings) are probably the goldfinches, ruby-throated hummingbirds, mourning doves, mockingbirds, catbirds, nuthatches, orioles, and of course CARDINALS and BLUEJAYS.

          A little ornithology for you this morning.

    •  I saw one the first time I went b-watching (4.00)
      No kidding!  I was standing on this big rocky outcrop, see, on a misty morning verrrry early, and right there at eye level, on the tippy top branches of a big old tree, swaying in the wind and singing his head off, was Mr. INDIGO BUNTING !!  One of the best sights ever.

      The friend who took me out said they only sit on certain trees in the forest.  They're very particular.  Imagine that.

      Hey Lorraine, are you anywhere near the Basha kill preserve? Or Peakamous?

      •  I'm in Ithaca (4.00)
        We have the Sapsucker woods, which is Cornell's ornithology lab.

        I saw two bald eagles in the Catskills this past week--that was totally cool.

        •  Okay (4.00)
          Lorraine don't rub it in.  That is totally cool and I've never seen an eagle. Lucky you!

          Blue guy in a red state.

          by txbirdman on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 10:53:41 AM PDT

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          •  okay, I'll rub it in, can't help it (4.00)
            Lots of them winter on the upper Delaware. There's one spot where you can see 12-15 at a time-- fishing, mating, hanging out, taking a snooze.  No kidding.  And then... and then... right before they fly off north again-- say mid=feb-->mid-march, depending on the weather-- the juvies go courting.  I mean. It's like watching an Esther Williams movie in the sky. Swoop and part, fly together, and then split in wide arcs.

            I'll tell you, txbirdman, it's worth the trip.

      •  Cool! (4.00)
        They are not in my area and I don't know anything about them. Blue is my favorite color and I'd go total bananas if I saw one.

        Blue guy in a red state.

        by txbirdman on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 10:56:03 AM PDT

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    •  male birds (4.00)
      I love that in nature it's often the male of the species that needs to look beautiful to attract a female mate.
    •  Saw one (4.00)
      at our backyard feeder a couple of summers ago (extreme Southern Maine).  A real treat!

      I am not afraid of storms for I am learning how to sail my ship -- Louisa May Alcott

      by kptlaurie on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 08:48:30 AM PDT

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  •  C&J, Florida Suncoast Edition (4.00)
    Cheers to The Beaver.  (don't go there, Cafe fans!)  Jerry Mathers of "Leave it to Beaver" (or what some R's call "reality programming") fame turns 57 today.  

    Cheers to willfully reading government documents.  Susanhu, leading the charge, and many others have embarked on reviewing all 2000+ pages of documents released to the ACLU under the Freedom of Information Act.  Five of us with medical training are reviewing the medical records, and already we are making discoveries.  Keep watching dKos and Booman Tribune for updates.  

    Jeers to advocating Dynasty Three: the Jebbies.  In his New York Post column, leading Shrub apologist Jon Podhoretz champions Jeb! as the "perfect nominee" for the Republicans in 2008, while at the same time, again, stating Hilary Rodham Clinton's "front runner" status with the D's.  

     Cheers to Blogwood for a hilarious Photoshop treatment of Republican gubernatorial candidate/pretty boy Charlie Crist.  (Thanks to Florida Politics for the tip)   For the record, Chain Gang Charlie has denied that he is gay:

    Cheers to even more pootie cuteness from our newest kitty, India Letifah:


    The answer to "compassionate conservatism" isn't timid progressivism.--Sen. John Corzine (D-New Jersey)

    by AAbshier on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 06:58:09 AM PDT

  •  Cheers to Howard Dean (4.00)
    Just saw his speech at the Take Back America conference.  The party is in good hands as long as he's in the driver's seat.

    Liberal: "I still think it's a respectable word. Its root is "liber," the Latin word for "free," and isn't that what we are all about?"--Mary McGrory

    by mini mum on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 06:59:44 AM PDT

  •  Cosmic C & J (4.00)
    Cheers to the declaration in my local paper that the long drought in Arizona has come to an end. Yessssss. Now my area is designated as "abnormally dry" instead of "severe." Let it rain!

    Cheers to getting motivated to get locally politically activated again. I attended a local DFA meeting last night after a hiatus, and found the meeting well attended, highly organized and involved. Yay! Three cheers for getting back to the task of turning Arizona blue. Three cheers for very healthy grassroots activism in my town!

    Jeers to the ongoing insanity, death and destruction in Iraq. Just jeers. Juan Cole, as usual, has an excellent wrap up of the latest nightmares here.

    Cheers to the new generation. It's baby bird season in my yard. I've been keeping an eye on this baby mourning dove, which is in its awkward stage. I feared it was abandoned, but then this morning saw that momma dove was feeding it. Here it is perched in one of my sage plants.

    Jeers to feeling soooo sleepy. I'm taking a break from ingesting caffeine. Gasp! I can't think of the last time I went without the sacred elixir. This is kinda what it feels like.

    Cheers to Bill, who, in spite of my comatose state of decaffeination, has got me giggling at the start of this day! Love love love the choice of books! : )

    Dubya, yer momma may think yer cute, but I sure don't

    by cosmic debris on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 07:00:06 AM PDT

  •  Cheers and Jeers (4.00)
    Cheers to posting on Open Thread about Americans having too much stuff.

    Jeers to losing my book bag the next day, which contains my entire work life.

    If you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything-Mark Twain

    by Desert Rose on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 07:00:37 AM PDT

  •  Cheers, everyone (4.00)
    I'm outta here.  5 days of driving and "vacation" to Portland, OR.  Hold down the fort, kids!

    Cheers to all of you
    Continuing Jeers to "Naam" Coleman, (R-MN).  Norm, Goodbye.  I won't be crying when I leave you behind.  I'll just send money to get you defeated, you silly turncoat liar!

    Blessings on all your fuzzy friends.
    Peace, I'm out.

  •  Cheers: to Daniel Schorr retired of CBS news (4.00)
    for reaming Pat Buchannon a new one on David Gregory's MSNBC Deep Throat special last night.
    Schorr had a negative WH piece on TV during Watergate and next morning FBI was on his doorstep. Can't remember all.. but he blamed Buchannon for it and laid it in his lap on the air last night. Priceless.

    Jeers to RWCM for having more Mark Felt trashers on the air than balanced or supportive group. Like, what is Colson, Liddy and Watergate burglar going to say about Deep Throat??

    Cheers to W. Mark Felt. He is a hero to me.

    Why didn't a Deep Throat diary get Frontpaged here??  I was surprised that one wasn't.

  •  Billy's C&J (4.00)
    Cheers to Rep. John Conyers, for being the voice of pretty much all liberals and progressives in the House.  Well, the loudest voice anyway.  This guys just plain fucking rocks.  

    Jeers to 19 more lives lost in Bush's War.  Fuck you, Georgie.  

    As for my Senators, I can't complain too much, since both are Dems, although one is definately "more Dem" than the other.  Sen. Blanche Lincoln is "good" while Sen. Mark Pryor is, IMO, a Bush Administration enabler (he calls it "moderate"), earning top honors from the "Joe Lieberman School of Enemy Enabling".  Ergo, Cheers to Sen. Lincoln and Jeers to Sen. Pryor.  

    "Whensoever the general Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force."
    - Thomas Jefferson

    by Billy Shears on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 07:01:57 AM PDT

  •  Never Say Die... (4.00) the 20th anniversary of "The Goonies"

    Don't you realize? The next time you see sky, it'll be over another town. The next time you take a test, it'll be in some other school. Our parents, they want the best of stuff for us. But right now, they got to do what's right for them. Because it's their time. Their time! Up there! Down here, it's our time. It's our time down here. That's all over the second we ride up Troy's bucket.
    - Mikey Walsh
  •  Cheers (4.00)
    to being progressive.

    Jeers to the regressive taunts I see around here - "freepers", "repugnicans" - it's the same stuff they call us, and doing it makes us no different from them in the eyes of many of the voters we need.

  •  Cheers to still relevant protest songs (4.00)
    Let's hear it for Country Joe McDonald

    Yeah, come on all of you, big strong men,
    Uncle Sam needs your help again.
    He's got himself in a terrible jam
    Way down yonder in Vietnam
    So put down your books and pick up a gun,
    We're gonna have a whole lotta fun.

    Change the words a little, and there ya go.

    If you can't support the veterans you have, don't make any new ones.

    by slackjawedlackey on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 07:07:33 AM PDT

    •  I'll Propose the Following (4.00)
      Yeah, come on all you big strong folks,
      Uncle Sam needs to go on the attack.
      He's got himself in a terrible jam.
      Way down yonder in I-raq
      So put down your books and pick up a gun,
      We're gonna have a whole lotta fun.
    •  Gotcha Covered (4.00)
      > Change the words a little, and there ya go.

      From Country Joe's website:

      Well come on all you new young men
      Uncle Sam's in a mess again
      Got himself in a terrible jam
      With a crazy Muslim named Saddam
      So put down your bibles pick up your guns
      We're gonna have a whole lot of FUN

      And it's 1 2 3 what are we fighting for
      Don't ask me I don't give a damn
      I just know we gotta kill Saddam
      And its 5 6 7 open up the pearly gates
      Ain't no time to wonder why
      Big oil is startin to cry

      GOP: Invading personal privacy ©¿©¬ and proud of it!

      by PBen on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 09:46:15 AM PDT

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    •  For it's 1, 2, 3... (4.00)
      What are we fightin' 4?

      Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
      Next stop is Viet Nam.

      And it's 5,6,7
      Open up the pearly gates...
      Don't have time to wonder why,
      Whoopee, we're all bound to die!

      I can't explain myself...because I'm not myself, you see. - Alice

      by SisTwo on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 12:40:06 PM PDT

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  •  Don't Forget to Floss (3.95)
    Cheers to good hygiene

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  •  Dude (4.00)
    I get the humor, but there's no way the wingnuts can identify with Attila the Hun, much less any leadership secrets.

    At least Attila could effectively lead an army in a war of aggression!

    "Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask me. And bring a TV crew."
    -Curt Schilling

    by Dragonchild on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 07:08:43 AM PDT

  •  Don't Blame Me, I'm in MA C&J (4.00)
    Additional countdoun items:
      Days until Harry Potter and the HalfBlood Prince: 44
      Days until Velvet Elvis at Mad Abbott's & the associated Kossacks cluster: 15
      Days until Thestral's niece's HS Graduation: 10
      Days until Portsmouth, NH: 9
      Days until Thestral sees this year's first Great Blue Heron: Zero

    Jeers to addictive mergers. Our most recent one was completed, and once again I'm working for a large publicly-held multinational instead of a small privately held company. Same job, 4th owner in 3 years.
    More jeers to the expected reorg. No matter what they say, we know they'll go mucking around with things.

    Cheers for friends who send nifty pictures. Here's a Froggy Picture for Fabooj (& everyone else)


    and, with Cheers for black cats, here's
    Thestral's Thrusday Morning Demonic Report:
    The fluid in Demon-kitty's chest is mostly but not completely cleared, but her blood pressure's still really high. Expecting a call this afternoon with advice for the next round of tinkering.
      Meanwhile, Demon continues to show small improvements in terms of being steadier on her feet, more interested in food, looking for attention instead of merely accepting it, and she got her purr-motor going good & loud for a while last night.

    Cheers for anti-depressants, when they work. It seems like we may have gotten lucky on the first try, and we're leaving the dose where it is for now. Next followup in a month, if nothing goes awry in the meanwhile.  I've cut back my caffeine consumption, because for the first time in ages I actually seem to feel the effects, and feel caffeinated sometimes. It's not solving all my problems, but it's making them less overwhelming.

    Cheers for friends who share the good stuff & the not-so-good.

    Hail, Caffeina - the Goddess in her Liquid Aspect!

    •  Aaaw, thanks! (4.00)
      Cool!- I've subcontracted my Velvet Elvis pimping.  Wonder if I can subcontract the boring stuff I do during the day that I get paid for? :-)  Note: directions to Bad Abbott's are on the band's website and it's easy to get to, with free parking and no cover.

      CHEERS for Demon-kitty's steady progress!

      One countdown to add...

      Days until Boston's Pride Parade:  9.

      Portsmouth gatherers, please remember those of us marching in the parade, we'll be thinking of you all.

      Silence is the voice of complicity.

      by brillig on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 08:05:43 AM PDT

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    •  I love frogs! (4.00)
      Best pic of the day!

      Which reminds me, jeers to my parents for deciding - after a year - to shock and clean their pool.  It had become a haven for aquatic life and algae, including a gazillion tadpoles that were fun to watch and very close to reaching froghood when Artificial Patriarchal Parental Unit decided to overdose them on chlorine.

      I scolded my mother ever so harshly when she delivered the news.

      And for the just plain weird crowd - cheers to really bizairre dreams.  Last night I dreamed that I was part of a daily carpool, and kos was the driver.  Every day, back and forth to work in a backseat where two others were crammed in.  And since no dream is complete without a dilemma, my angst was that I felt like I owed kos $20 for gas but every day I hunted for an ATM, I couldn't find one to get the cash.  Even though he was all "no, you don't owe me anything" in the dream, I wanted to contribute $20, but was absolutely upset that I couldn't get the money.

      Wonder what the hidden subtext is there?

      If hating Republicans is wrong, I don't want to be right

      by bionicKitty on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 08:32:07 AM PDT

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      •  I had a weird one too, involving... BiPM! (4.00)
        This was a few nights ago - in the dream, the doorbell rang, and I went to answer it... and it was Bill from Portland, Maine, come to call! I couldn't figure out how he even knew who I was or why he was there. After I woke up, it occurred to me - I don't even know what Bill looks like, so where did I get the image of him from?

        For the record, the Bill of my dreams is tall, light haired, and was wearing a Hawaiian shirt. Weird.


    •  "Don't Blame Me" (4.00)
      Heh, I remember those bumper stickers.... anybody else?
      Cheers to Thestral's niece's HS Graduation, and grajyates everywhere!
      That frog reminds me of that old kittycat poster, with the HANG IN THERE, BABY! caption.

      GOP: Invading personal privacy ©¿©¬ and proud of it!

      by PBen on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 10:20:37 AM PDT

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    •  Cheers to Demon Kitty and You (4.00)
      for hanging in there - sometimes even by the skin of your teeth.

      Man... I'm not so sure about this C&J posting stuffaroni... I mean.. it just means more people in my life that I care about and get concerned about. Laugh with and fret over.

      In my worst Foghorn Leghorn... I say I say I say boy... I just doan think my black heart can handle all this warm & fuzzy emotional goings ons. It's akin to work.

      xoxoxo :)

      If it helps... I'll take over your coffee consumption for ya :)

      All men are created equal - some just stick out more.

      by Damnit Janet on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 10:59:07 AM PDT

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  •  Both great. (4.00)
    Go MD!

    "In such a world of conflict, a world of victims and executioners, it is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners." -Albert Camus.

    by BrianL on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 07:14:34 AM PDT

  •  Only Righties (3.92)
    Would publish a list of the most harmful books of the century.

    Somewhere Walt Kelly is alternately laughing and crying.

    Is there gas in the car? Yes, there's gas in the car.

    by nightsweat on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 07:15:09 AM PDT

  •  More Nathaniel Cheers (4.00)
    Cheers to all of the wonderful people at C&J who wrote with support and congratulations for our little Nathaniel James.

    Cheers to the wonderful nurses in the Special Care Nursery who are helping him grow so well.

    Cheers to caffiene which is the only drug he's on. It helps him to remember to breath and to keep his little heart beating regularly. Here's a double cap. in his honor!

    Cheers to the cutest baby pictures in the world. (no bias here, I report, I decide)

    Jeers to having to be at work and not with him. But then he needs his sleep and we all need the money.

    Thanks again to all the wonderful people at C&J. Y'all are great.

    Plane Crazy

    "It is hard to fight anger, for a man will buy revenge with his soul." Heracleitus, 500 BCE

    by PlaneCrazy on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 07:15:38 AM PDT

  •  C & J Chez O'Connor (4.00)

    CHEERS to cherries. I love cherries.

    JEERS to insomnia. I hate insomnia.

    CHEERS to my husband and son. I love my husband and son.

    JEERS to pain. I hate pain.

    CHEERS to grey, cloudy days. I love grey, cloudy days.

    JEERS to hot weather. I hate hot weather.

    And finally...

    CHEERS to reasons for living

    Rage, rage, against the lying of the Right.

    by Maryscott OConnor on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 07:17:42 AM PDT

  •  Jeers to non and nee (4.00)
    France has already rejected the EU constitution and on Wednesday, Holland will likely follow suit. The country is afraid of sinking into obscurity in an enlarged Europe and is tired of paying more than its share. The government, meanwhile, has egregiously mismanaged its campaign for public approval of the historic document

    A specter is loose in Europe -- and on Wednesday it will be ghosting through Holland. If the surveys don't deceive, the Dutch No to the European draft constitution will be even more strident than its rejection in France. Indeed, the Dutch seem to have reached an agreement: the economic union was advantageous. But why do we need a political union? Nee, dank u zeer, or no thanks, they are saying to Europe.

    "Working Behind the Scenes": The Details of U.S. Government Support for the Venezuelan Opposition

    Newsblog: The US media has come a long way in the wrong direction since Watergate, writes Mark Tran.

    Cheers to the absurd:

    Their privileged existence of wealthy debauchery had not prepared them for the next few moments. Carnacki

    by sersan on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 07:18:18 AM PDT

  •  Jeers (4.00)
    Jeers to the owners of my Dad's brewery. My Dad is the President of the Union and their contract ran out yesterday and now they are on strike. Business is good but the owners don't won't to share the money. They wanted the workers to pay so much for the health care and weren't offering much of a raise and no extra money in the pension. These owners got security watching the picketers and got scabs working already. :(

    Cheers to my new job. I'm going to work in a day care and leaving my lovely job at McDonalds.

    Cheers to John Stewert. I'm watching the Daily Show with my sister while I type this :)

  •  Thursday C&J! (4.00)
    From Ohio, our purplest state:

    Cheers to scramblin' Pubs.  What are they scramblin' for?  Why, to give back donations from their old pal and new pariah, Tom Noe.  The list so far:  Governor Taft, Senators DeWine and Voinovich, state auditor Betty Montgomery, and several Statehouse legislators.  All told, this is fully turning into an embarrassing situation for Ohio Pubs.  But for now, President Bush has no intention of returning Noe's dirty money...

    Jeers to demanding collectors, especially in Noe's wake.  A Connecticut man who collects celebrity hair has been asked by Neil Armstrong to give back the lock of his hair, but he's not planning on doing that.  He got it for $3,000 from Armstrong's barber.  Jeez, I wish I could sell my hair for three grand...but I'd probably want reinbursment, or like Armstrong, have him give money to one of my charities...

    Jeers to whoever set the fire that killed 9 people in cleveland a couple of weeks ago.  They're now wanted for arson and 9 counts of manslaughter.  A 4,000-person funeral service was held yesterday in the Cleveland Convention center.

    Cheers to the white-hot Cubs.  They extended their winning streak to 6 games by completing their sweep of the Dodgers last night, 9-5.  Derrek Lee can get hotter than he is right now (he had 5 hits last night).  And if he does, he may be lookin' at .400.  Also, congrats to John Koronka for getting a win in his Major League debut.

    Cheers to her Majesty, whose coronation was 52 years ago today.

    What is Cheers? to Ken Jennings, whose historic Jeopardy! run started on this day last year.

    Jeers to the worst headache ever, suffered by Wally Pipp on this day 80 years ago.  You all know who replaced him...


    Cheers to still having at least 1 grandparent.  I'm taking her to a doctor's appointment today...

    By the Numbers:

    Number of World Heavyweight wrestling championships held by "Classy" Freddie Blassie, who died on this day two years ago:  4
    Number of consecutive games played by Lou Gehrig, who replaced Pipp 80 years ago today and died 64 years ago today:  2,129
    Age of Ray Combs at his death 9 years ago today:  40 years, 1 month, 30 days
    Number of F1 Grand Prix wins for Bruce McLaren, who died during testing 35 years ago today:  4

    "Err on the side of life", says the man who signed more death warrants than any other American. Kinda like Hitler saying "Why can't we all just get along?"

    by IlGreven on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 07:24:08 AM PDT

    •  not giving the money *back* (4.00)
      Unfortunately, many of the people who have decided they'd rather not hold onto tainted money are doing something other than give it back. Ken Blackwell has declared that he plans to give it to some organization that "promotes a culture of life". (Strange, given that Ken Blackwell supports the death penalty.) So here's the deal: Noe embezzles money from a state fund for injured workers, gives it to Blackwell, who then gives it to some anti-abortion group. Net result: money illegally transferred from injured workers to an anti-abortion group. Noe and Blackwell are both conspirators in the exercise, and without both of their cooperation the cash wouldn't end up where it does. Noe might end up in prison for this; Blackwell might end up in the governor's mansion. WTF?

      Cheers to Betty Montgomery, inter alia, who has decided that the money she should never have been given in the first place should in fact go to a fund to help injured workers. I don't think I've ever cheered her before, but I'm not against giving credit for that for which credit is due. I'll probably find enough opportunities to jeer her some other time.

  •  Jeers to all... (4.00)
    the diaries that I would like to Unrecommend today.  Kos has a Recommend button, but where in the Samhill is the "Unrecommend" button.  

    That and a "Dumbass" button for all of the tag lines that make no f-ing sense whatsoever or are so f-ing stupid that they make me cringe... grrr)

  •  'origin of the species' a harmful book? (3.93)
    so if darwin hadn't published, whe'd all still be taught a literalist take on creationism. alfred russel wallace wouldn't have published? there was an 'animal crackers' strip that took a similar line -- basically said as an anglican pastor chucky d should have kept his mouth shut and reenforced everyone's faith rather than publishing.

    the head-in-the-sand anti-rationalist stupidity of that perspective is insanely frustrating. that these nitwit ideologues are taken seriously is a true sign of the decandence of american intellectual life at the moment.

    "All institutions have in the long run to live by the nature of things, and not by childish pretendings." - George Bernard Shaw

    by gracchus on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 07:27:33 AM PDT

    •  It's driving me maaaad. (4.00)
      It's On the Origin of Species.

      Strange how the placement/arrangement of a few letters makes all the difference sometimes.

      Rage, rage, against the lying of the Right.

      by Maryscott OConnor on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 07:42:43 AM PDT

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    •  take a look inside.. (4.00)
      ...of the community of Science and you will not see people scurrying about, freaked that some slow-witted yahoo preacher in some strip mall church is urging his pathetic sheep to believe in the Great Cicada of Truth.  

      No, Science continues to explore the genetic diversity and significance of our genotypes (global "our", not in any way suggesting that homo sapiens is the most interesting, only so when it comes time to write your grant applications).

      Yes, we scientists should get out of the lab and do a few talk shows here and there (that sounds silly huh? well it IS silly), ALL scientists are PEOPLE (not mad scientists) who are working on The Question (their Question, so many millions that they are and how marvelous).

      Its not just up to the scientists who are working on the OBJECTIVE work but it is incumbent on us ALL to:

      1. demand real scientific educations for our kids (if not from school, do it yourselves dammit)

      2. educate YOURSELF about science  (what do you think they invented the freaking internet for anyways, huh?)

      3. challenge incessantly the lilliputian views of religionists who would force all people to live in a subjective patriarchal and delusional faith-based world.

      4. learn some more and dont ever pass off the responsibility of protecting science from the dark ages.  

      Its not "us" and a few mad scientists..

      ..its Civilization vs control-monkeys and their sheeple.

      The SM-62 Snark was a USAF intercontinental nuclear cruise missile that was operational in 1960-1961.

      by nika7k on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 07:52:25 AM PDT

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  •  Cheers to Ben Bradley (4.00)
    Did anyone see Nightline?

    The surest way to make a monkey of a man is to quote him. - Robert Benchley

    by Finnean on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 07:31:24 AM PDT

    •  Yes (4.00)
      Cheers to Ben Bradlee who is infuriated when he has to turn on the TV and see former jailbirds Colson and Liddy dare to talk about morality!
      He also said Buchanan, while not in jail over Watergate, still worked for Nixon and cannot be objective. So glad, someone is reminding the public just WHO Colson and Liddy are !!!!!!!!!!

      Bradlee is, now and always will be top notch.

      We choose hope over despair; possibilities over problems, optimism over cynicism.-John Edwards

      by wishingwell on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 08:36:18 AM PDT

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    •  Yes! (4.00)
      And he talked about why Felt's best bet was to make the leak rather than looking for a solution in the corrupt system, also a very good point.

      Cheers to Ben!

      "Yeah, so what?"

      by Debby on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 10:07:02 AM PDT

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  •  C&J (4.00)
    Cheers to one of my Senators: Mark Dayton

    Mega-Jeers to the other: Norm Coleman

    I can't believe that list is supposed to be the worst books, since it's actually the most influencial, for good or ill. Except for Mein Kampf, they have had some positive impact, even Mao's book. And IMHO, Kapital is one of the most important books of political analysis ever written. Of course the conservatives don't like it - it exposes their con game.

  •  Cheers to outer space! (4.00)
    Here it is, Thursday's Sexy Space Pic:

     Eta Carinae & The South Pillar

    "Eta Carinae, one of the most massive and unstable stars in the Milky Way Galaxy, has a profound affect on its environment. Found in the the South Pillar region of the Carina Nebula, these fantastic pillars of glowing dust and gas with embedded newborn stars were sculpted by the intense wind and radiation from Eta Carinae and other massive stars. Eta Carinae itself is off the top left of the false-color image, with the bright-tipped dust pillars pointing suggestively toward the massive star's position."

    Whoa. Is it getting hot in here, or is it just me? This space pic is a throwback to the Clinton administration.  According to Laura Bush, there's no late-night action of any kind in the current administration.

    Mega-Jeers to sexually frustrated Republicans. It is more and more obvious that they are not against all sex (do I need to link to the "sex with farm animals is normal" and "my husband raped me" reports?), they are just against consensual sex.  Bastards.  Keep out of my bedroom!  You totally ruin the mood!

    Whew!  Sorry, I just got a little worked up there.

    I pledge allegiance to the dollar of the United States of America, and to the corporations for which it stands, one consumer, under debt, invisible...

    by super ju on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 07:33:15 AM PDT

    •  Lovely as always (4.00)
      Astronomy Picture of the Day is now a bookmarked favorite here at my house. Also, I shared it with some hockey pals. Thanks for brightening our skies.

      Oh... we have this super cool book called Stikky Night Skies. Kids love it and now buy it for gifts for other friends.

      I've kept wanting to tell you about it and also thank you for the lovely site but always forget - as each time we buy another one I think "Super Ju might like this..."  

      All men are created equal - some just stick out more.

      by Damnit Janet on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 11:35:31 AM PDT

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  •  Cheers to (4.00)
    what Memorial day is all about:


    The SM-62 Snark was a USAF intercontinental nuclear cruise missile that was operational in 1960-1961.

    by nika7k on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 07:36:39 AM PDT

  •  Quick C & J NH Edition (4.00)
    CHEERS to Bill and Michael, Molly and Vegas

    CHEERS to Bobs and Bobbettes!

    now on to more cleaning and moving furniture........

    "The future is not a gift: it is an achievement." Robert F. Kennedy

    by PoliSigh on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 07:36:41 AM PDT

  •  <b>Cheers </b>to (4.00)
    the big yellow ball we see (for once) in Northeast Ohio.
    Cheers to Himself who BROUGHT THE PAPER IN so I wouldn't have to.

    Jeersto the d&%k-headed Mutherf$#ker who let in all those porn sites last night (I'm thinkin' is was the self-same Himself of newspaper action)  Sorry, babe, it just doesn't cut it.  Where's my fifty bucks?

    Jeers to having clean all that stuff off the computer this morning BEFORE my first cup o' caffeine  (besides I've seen it all before, how bo-oring)

    Cheers to everyone who posted pix today.  I always look forward to them.  Even the gratuitous ass-shot, HHG.  

  •  Tulip's cheers & jeers (4.00)
    First off, jeers to me, for making a snarky comment in a thread and getting slathered with 1's by passers-by from Washington state.

    Next, cheers to me for giggling about it.

    Cheers to the Felt family.  Must have been irritating to watch Woodward pocket millions & pontificate like a hero for years and years about every national event of any importance, when they're having trouble getting their kids through college, not mention the additional grief of watching their own real hero slide down the slippery slope of dementia. 91 and going fast.  I really appreciate how candid & naive they are about the money.  And also, how annoyed Woodward was.  That pompous Republican hack.  jeers to him.  A hero not even a Bernstein can believe in.

    Cheers to the republi-hacks gabbling away, trying to rewrite history.  These bozos have lost all awareness of what they look & sound like.  So refreshing.  They think they can stick all their crap down the American craw-- and be believed.  They own the airwaves, don't they? They have the WH, don't they?  They're kings! Kings! (tee hee, nothing so satisfying as watching a mother-=fucker reveal himself in public)

    finally, cheers, cheers and more cheers to BiPM, the bright spot of every dawning. Never boring, never gloomy, never misses a beat. T'anks, pal.

    And to all C&J'ers, the same.  I lurk more htan I post.  But I count on you all.  Good thing I can't figure out how to enter the Cafe-- or I'd never get anything done.

    Today, tulip started out blue and has turned peachy, all of account of you.

  •  Notable on book list... (4.00)
    9. Beyond Good and Evil

    Here Nietzsche argued that men are driven by an amoral "Will to Power," and that superior men will sweep aside religiously inspired moral rules, which he deemed as artificial as any other moral rules, to craft whatever rules would help them dominate the world around them. "Life itself is essentially appropriation, injury, overpowering of the strange and weaker, suppression, severity, imposition of one's own forms, incorporation and, at the least and mildest, exploitation," he wrote. The Nazis loved Nietzsche.

    •  I haven't read that... (4.00)
      ..yet. But in his earlier work, he doesn't just intone, "God is dead." In his earlier work, he says, "God is dead; You and I have killed him" , IIRC. Put into that context, I think it powerfully illustrates the fundies in this country. They are the ones destroying their God, through their own actions. They're just too ignorant, too selfish, too fearful, or too blinded by their beliefs to know it.

      Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it. -Tom Paine

      by Alumbrados on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 08:06:55 AM PDT

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      •  Nietzsche isn't happy (4.00)
        about God being dead. You can read a lot of sadness and angst in his observations...

        Too bad the conservatives can't read. Associating Nietzsche with the Nazis is like associating the Jesus of the Beatitudes with James Dobson.

      •  his point (4.00)
        in saying god is dead, and we have killed him (to paraphrase) is that we have made too many scientific discoveries which discredit religion (oh yeah? the world was made in 7 days? really??).  It becomes difficult to believe in god when his spokespeople are constantly being discredited by the scientists.  Ironically, he is critical of the deconstruction which occurs through science, yet fails to see his own deconstruction of belief systems.

        On good and evil is an excellent book.  The imagery of the "blonde beasts" who rule through might is particularly appealing to those of us suffering the guvenator.

        "How can I turn away? Human as to human...The future is no place To place your better days." -DMB

        by lapolitichick on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 09:49:03 AM PDT

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    •  know something weird? (4.00)
      At the bus stop the other day I saw a guy who looked like his jaw and cheek bones had been crushed and half his face sagged/drooped in such a way as to make him quite frightening to look at. So much scar tissue. Then last night I saw him again, working a baseball game concession stand. For some reason, I can't get him out of my head. There is something oddly beautiful about this person. I don't know if it's the sign of survival, or what, but I was really moved by seeing him. (Wich of course is totally self-absorbed of me - I'd be pissed if I were that guy and knew other people were having some sort of revelation about the human condition as a result of looking at me, but there it is.)
    •  oh yeah (4.00)
      and nietzche's sister was a nazi.  he, most emphatically, was not.

      "How can I turn away? Human as to human...The future is no place To place your better days." -DMB

      by lapolitichick on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 09:51:11 AM PDT

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  •  Brillig's missed-a-day C&J (4.00)
    CHEERS to C&Jers... I missed you yesterday.  Mr Brillig went to hand out mojo and was surprised to find nothing to mojo.  I do work sometimes, you know :-)

    CHEERS and Hippo Birdie to Kid Brillig's best friend, who turns the wise old age of 7 today. Birthday party to follow on Sunday... here's hoping New England weather gives us a sunny day <crosses fingers>

    JEERS to Boston Globe columnist Jeff Jacoby, complaining about the VLWM.  Tidbits...

    ...What Kerry and the others object to is not that there are only conservative voices in media circles these days but that there are any such voices. The right-of-center Fox News cannot hold a candle to the combined left-of-center output of ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC, and PBS...

    ...But for Kerry, Gore, and Clinton, even a few conservative outlets are too many. They grew up in the era before cable TV, talk radio, and the Internet -- the age when liberal dominance was unquestioned. Now Democrats have to compete in the marketplace of ideas, and voters don't seem to be buying what they're selling...

    Exactly what do you say to someone with such a skewed view of reality?

    CHEERS to Pete Damon, who will throw out the first pitch tonight in the Red Sox/Orioles game.  He lost both arms in Iraq in 2003. Thanks, George.

    Silence is the voice of complicity.

    by brillig on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 07:46:24 AM PDT

  •  Harmful books (4.00)
    Did anyone else go to the list of harmful books posted at the start of C+J?

    In a ranking done similarly to college football polls, it's interesting "conservatives" think that The Kinsey Report (scored 37)is almost as harmful as Mein Kampf(41) and Mao's little red book (38)...hmm, study of human sexuality or books by two that caused tens of millions of murders...

  •  Dangerous, but not that dangerous (4.00)
    What I love about the Human Events Online article is that it includes Amazon links for each "dangerous" book along with their own referral ID. They are taking a cut of any purchases of these "dangerous" books...heh...
  •  Damn Dirty Hippie (4.00)
    Don't forget that other book the right wing hates: the New Testament.  After all it contains the teachings of that damn dirty long haired hippie Jesus and his communistic teachings about how hard it is for rich people to get into heaven and his naive pacifist beliefs about turning the other cheek.  They HATE this book.
  •  Not many Cheers & Jeers from Nürnberg (4.00)
    so I will quote some poetry instead

    I must go down to the seas again,
    to the lonely sea and the sky.

    I left my clothes on the beach last night,
    I wonder if they're dry?

    We went for a swim in the nuddy you see,
    with nothing on but our skin

    But we all screamed when Big Bob said
    "I say do you see that fin"

    "It looks like a shark, a great white shark"
    "and he scrunches and eats our kind"

    So we all fled, back home to bed
    And left our togs behind

    I thank ya

    We are all neutrons, looking for a nucleus to disrupt.

    by NeutralObserver on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 07:52:38 AM PDT

  •  C & J's Thursday (4.00)
    Jeers to Novak and the rest of his cronies for trying to rewrite history. Felt is a traitor but Linda Tripp is a hero?!

    Jeers to G. Gordon Asshole who is peddling his version of history:  that Watergate was really nothing more than a call-girl ring which got out of hand!

    Cheers to no more shin-splints and playing tennis once again!

    •  Liddy (4.00)
      is insane. Time for Cable to air, " All the President's Men" again.
      It shows how G. Gordon Liddy is and was nothing more than a criminal. The book even more powerfully shows how bad Liddy is. All these former jailbirds speaking out against Felt is sickening. I hope history is not rewritten that these guys served time in a federal prison.

      We choose hope over despair; possibilities over problems, optimism over cynicism.-John Edwards

      by wishingwell on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 08:42:54 AM PDT

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  •  Punching it in (4.00)
    CHEERS to an interesting final which resolved itself very fast. Henin-Hardenne won 6-2, 6-3; Pierce, 6-1, 6-1. I didn't even have breakfast yet. In mixed doubles, Navratilova and Paes moved on to the final.
    CHEERS to the real Tim Duncan showing up! His 30 points put San Antonio over the top and countered a great 40-point effort from Amare Stoudamire.
    CHEERS to another Kansas City win over the Yankees.
    SULKING at another lopsided Red Sox loss.
    CHEERS to an interesting Democracy for America meetup which I caught the last half hour of. Dylan is working on converting the website to CivicSpace and also has a new website, He is looking for writers. I also found out that Kossack Common Sense Mom is selling bumper stickers at these events.
    CHEERS to finally getting over to bellatrys's blog.

    "If I am not for myself, who will be for me? If I am only for myself, who am I? And if not now, when?" (Hillel was a liberal)

    by 4jkb4ia on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 08:00:22 AM PDT

    •  Addendum (4.00)
      CHEERS to Johnny Damon for coming back into the game last night after hitting his head on the wall the day before.

      "If I am not for myself, who will be for me? If I am only for myself, who am I? And if not now, when?" (Hillel was a liberal)

      by 4jkb4ia on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 08:19:08 AM PDT

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    •  Mixed doubles update (4.00)
      Daniela Hantuchova and Fabrice Santoro defeated Myskina and Bjorkman, 7-6 6-0. This makes two French representatives in finals, Santoro and Pierce.

      "If I am not for myself, who will be for me? If I am only for myself, who am I? And if not now, when?" (Hillel was a liberal)

      by 4jkb4ia on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 08:55:49 AM PDT

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  •  Jeers to the ignorance manifesto... (4.00)
    aka  10 Books That Send Conservatives Into Fits.

    Cheers to sleep, which I never seem to get enough of.

    Jeers to right wingers who blame whistle blowers for America's problems as opposed to the corruption in their own party.

    Jeers to high humidty, which makes it hotter than it neeeds to be and gives me headaches and makes me feel lathargic.

    Cheers to the entire cast returning in the movie Serenity.

    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it. -Tom Paine

    by Alumbrados on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 08:00:40 AM PDT

  •  spyral's C & J -- porn & cat-blogging ed. (4.00)
    CHEERS to one-stop-shopping...for internet porn, that is.  So forget about the .come, .xxx is the new & improved version.  Let the one-handed typing begin!

    While I'm talking about porn, I may as well do a little whoring.  CHEERS to anyone who feels like tuning in to "the little internet radio show that could", Thirsty Thursday, tonight.  No musical guest tonight, but we're having a conservative on the show.  I hear he's going to be talking about the federal reserve, which I know little-to-nothing about, so you probably won't hear as much from me tonight.  I hope I don't sound like an idiot...hmmm....on second thought...
    CHEERS to anyone who feels like tuning in to Thirsty Thursday next week.  :)

    CHEERS to my!
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    KC doesn't like it when I am at the computer...unless she's in front of the screen.

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    Biz is not so rude; at least she waits until I go to bed to get right up in my face.

    CHEERS everyone!!

    "So long as we have enough people in this country willing to fight for their rights, we'll be called a democracy." ~Roger Baldwin

    by spyral on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 08:09:54 AM PDT

    •  Beautiful cats! (4.00)

      The Lord is a shoving leopard. - William A. Spooner

      by lirtydies on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 08:16:34 AM PDT

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    •  What beautiful, cats! (4.00)
      My amourous Smeagol would love to meet ladies like these!  Alas, he resorts to humping the blanket on the couch.  And yes, he's fixed.

      I pledge allegiance to the dollar of the United States of America, and to the corporations for which it stands, one consumer, under debt, invisible...

      by super ju on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 08:28:37 AM PDT

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      •  I'm afraid my cats would end up... (4.00)
        hiding under the bed, hissing; that's what they do around every male cat that's been in the same area - young, old, humping, non-humping, etc.  Sadly, Smeagol would remain unsatisfied.    

        Now, my old roommate's cat, Meep, loves being on the receiving end of any humping-action.  
             Yes, he's a fixed boy.  
             Yes, he still takes it (often) from other boy, Rip, in his new home (even though Meep is the dominant bully when it comes to the cat toys).  
             Yes, they're gay lovers, and they don't care if the whole world knows!!  (Really, they've done it before my widened eyes.  I didn't believe what my old roomie told me until I saw it.  They both seemed to really enjoy it!)  

        "So long as we have enough people in this country willing to fight for their rights, we'll be called a democracy." ~Roger Baldwin

        by spyral on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 08:42:59 AM PDT

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      •  His precious blanket? ;-) n/t (4.00)

        "How freeing it must be to walk through this world heeding neither conscience nor soul." - the rude pundit, 5/4/05

        by pattyp on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 09:14:37 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Biz Fan! (4.00)
      Biz Biz
      So fuzzy she is

      All men are created equal - some just stick out more.

      by Damnit Janet on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 10:50:46 AM PDT

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    •  I thought all orange cats (4.00)
      were male.  well here is living proof that I was wrong.
  •  One big fat CHEER (4.00)
    To the Director of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, MD, who sent out this e-mail to all employees this morning:


    This June, Goddard Space Flight Center will join other federal agencies and departments, national and private organizations across the country, in celebrating Gay and Lesbian Pride Month.

    Goddard is committed to an inclusive workplace in which employees from all backgrounds are treated with dignity and respect, and given the opportunity to reach their professional potential and contribute fully to the success of our mission.

    Pride Month is an opportunity to reaffirm our commitment to promoting greater understanding and communication in the workplace and in our communities. The varied backgrounds, cultures, and traditions of our employees are a strength, and the diversity of the workforce, with the unique outlook that each person brings to the job and to the Center, brings opportunity for creativity and growth.
    Throughout our nation's history, Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender (GLBT) Americans have made major contributions to America's prosperity, strength, and growth.  GLBT Americans have proudly served in wars and conflicts to uphold the personal freedoms of all Americans.  They serve our nation in every walk of life across the broad fabric of our nation's workforce.  Today, the GLBT community strives to embrace the value of acceptance by recognizing the differences among all Americans in the interest of building stronger and more effective work environments, families, and communities.

    The Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, and Transgender Advisory Committee (GLBTAC) and the Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender Federal Employees Organization (FedGLOBE) are cosponsoring a variety of activities in June, and all employees are invited and welcome to attend.

    "I am a sinner who does not expect forgiveness. But I am not a government official." --Francis Wolcott, Deadwood

    by lulu57 on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 08:10:29 AM PDT

  •  Okay, this is rich (4.00)
    From that list of books:

    Keynes was a member of the British elite--educated at Eton and Cambridge--who as a liberal Cambridge economics professor wrote General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money in the midst of the Great Depression. The book is a recipe for ever-expanding government. When the business cycle threatens a contraction of industry, and thus of jobs, he argued, the government should run up deficits, borrowing and spending money to spur economic activity. FDR adopted the idea as U.S. policy, and the U.S. government now has a $2.6-trillion annual budget and an $8-trillion dollar debt.

    Are you shitting me?  That statement is so willfully false that I can't believe lightning didn't strike the author as he wrote it.

  •  Wolverine State C&J (4.00)
    CHEERS to Debbie Stabenow and Carl Levin. You're not exactly Barbara Boxer and Ted Kennedy, but it beats the hell out of that smirking asshat Spencer Abraham.

    JEERS to still being jobless. Great job on the economy, Georgy-boy.

    "Majorities, of course, are often mistaken. This is why the silencing of minorities is always dangerous." --Alan Barth

    by PerfectStormer on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 08:43:17 AM PDT

  •  Harmful????? (4.00)
    What kind of a label is that? No criteria for selections, hmmmmm.

    OK, then

    JEERS: Not making the list: "Sisters" by Lynn Cheney.

    JEERS:  to Human Events and the 15 conservative scholars and public policy leaders for politicizing books (that's right after Public Broadcasting Corporation). Scroll down to bottom of page:

    CHEERS:  to Charles Bukowski for his poem


    Jesus Christ
    some people are so dumb
    you can hear them
    splashing around
    in their dumbness ...
    I want to
    run and hide
    I want to
    escape their engulfing

    Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings. - Heinrich Heine (1821)

    by Caneel on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 08:49:51 AM PDT

  •  A Confederacy of Dunces (4.00)
    No right wing Republican will read this as they fear it is a history of the Republican party post Teddy Roosevelt.

    Pop-gun president lying with impunity, soundbyte policies and photo opportunities

    by Dave the Wave on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 08:58:19 AM PDT

  •  My answer to the poll. (4.00)
    Jeers to my Senators Kit Bond and Jim Talent. Bond is a sore loser; he launched an angry tirade against fraud after John Ashcroft lost the election. Jeers also to Talent; he seems like one of those Germans during WW2 who never made any trouble, they only followed orders -- and participated in a genocide.

    Cheers to the Spokane City Council for unanimously calling on Jim West to resign. West, a homophobic wingnut turned out to be secretly gay himself and molested children at a camp 25 years ago. The resolution is not binding, but it will increase the pressure. West's days are numbered.

    Jeers to the San Francisco 49ers for showing a video to players bashing gays and Asians. The video was supposedly about how to handle the media.

    Cheers to the normally Conservative community of Littleton, NH for standing up for gay rights. A state commission is making the rounds of New Hampshire soliciting feedback for a possible civil unions bill; an overwhelming number of supporters showed up.

  •  RE: harmful books (4.00)
    Most of those books are no surprise, but this one(which I've never heard of) cracks me up:

    "Democracy and Education"

    Why they think it is harmful?

    "encouraged the teaching of thinking "skills" "


    "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." -Voltaire

    by poemless on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 09:10:40 AM PDT

    •  "Democracy and Education" (4.00)
      The reason that book is on there, is because it was written by John Dewey, who is known as the father of modern public school education.  He urged that students not be taught by rote, but rather by interaction, discussion, and all of those other damn progressive ways of thinking.

      Apparently, conservatives are afraid that teachers might actually teach students to THINK, instead of insisting they memorize and repeat all of the things they are told.

      "Freedom means freedom for people who think differently." Rosa Luxemburg

      by earnersparks on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 11:20:02 AM PDT

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      •  Yeah, I know all that (4.00)
        I just think it is Hi-Larious! that these guys are so unabashed in their conservatism!  I mean, most people at least pretend to support public education and ... uhm ... the ability to THINK.  

        Wait, who am I fooling?  No they don't.

        It is that bad, isn't it.  F.  When they were all talking about bridging the gap to the 21st Century, here I thought they meant 2000 a.d.

        "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." -Voltaire

        by poemless on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 11:49:26 AM PDT

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  •  1st C&J Comment (4.00)
    Cheers to me for winning an iPod yesterday at work.  Now I have a new piece of hardware to occupy the rest of my fleeting time...
  •  Wisconsin Senator (4.00)
    Cheers to my Wisconsin Senators.  Even in a state that is a consistent battleground, we have two very good Democrats in the Senate.  Herb Kohl is a quiet, no-nonsense kind of guy, who votes correctly most of the time, and focuses most of his energy taking care of Wisconsin interests (agriculture, energy, etc...).  The junior senator, Russ "Backbone" Feingold is one of the most progressive, and most thoughtful, and common sense senators in the senate.  He does politics for the right reasons, refusing to take pay increases, and fighting for campaign finance reform, fiscal responsibility, and fighting for our rights as Americans.  He is a Midwest progressive in the tradition of the great Paul Wellstone.  
  •  Goodnight Moon (4.00)
    Cheers to that book. I used to have to recite that book to my younger son (now age 14) on the phone from the ICU so he'd go to sleep at night.

    Cheers to our high school class (1970) getting a subscription to Atlantic Monthly so we could read "Mr. Sammler's Planet."  Jeers to the teacher who then found it unsuitable for high school students. She also said there were parts of the Bible we shouldn't read either, which had us scrambling for "the good parts."  LOL

    Cheers to all of you!

    War is not an adventure. It is a disease. It is like typhus. - Antoine De Saint-Exupery

    by Margot on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 09:28:39 AM PDT

  •  Thurs. C&J (4.00)
    Cheers to summer finally reaching Minneapolis! My golf game thanks mother nature (and, frequently, curses physics.)

    Cheers to Rep. John Conyers! You, sir, are a true American hero and patriot. Keep fighting for our rights; we're behind you!

    Jeers to the White House telling the Senate what information they do or do not need to make an imperative decision that will affect our foreign policy role over the next decade. So much for the rest of that obstructionist, pinko-commie document heretofore known as the Constitution. </snark>

    Jeers to our media for failing the American People.

    Cheers to W. Mark Felt aka Deep Throat. Anyone who is willing to give truth to power is a true American hero. Are you in the FBI? the CIA?...This is who you need to be emulating; just a thought.

    Jeers to Mr. Felt's unmasking resulting in the RWCM trotting out every ex-Nixon criminal (Am I the only one who wants to punch G. Gordon Liddy in the teeth when he yammers?) they can find to attempt to impugn Mr. Felt for blowing the whistle. IMHO, they should be obligated to print, "THIS MAN IS A CONVICTED FELON!!! Take what he says with a grain of salt and realise that he has a personal ax to grind with the subject." on the screen whenever 1 of these windbags pontificates.

    "Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives." -John Stuart Mill

    by green917 on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 09:42:42 AM PDT

  •  Cheers to terrapins of mass destruction. (4.00)
    Years ago, a friend and I visited Miami Metrozoo and  saw a crowd gathered at the giant tortoise pen. Always eager to be part of a random crowd, we went to investigate and found the point of interest was a pair of tortoises engaging in amorous activities. If you've never witnessed two giant tortoises going at it, let me tell you, it's something that defies any adequate written explanation. But that won't stop me from trying. ;-) Picture one tortoise on the ground and the other behind it at nearly a 90 degree angle because their shells are so tall, emitting long low guttural grunts, yet seemingly not moving at all. I mean, I'm sure something was moving down there, but the tortoises themselves were completely stationary. After a few minutes of observation, I started to feel uncomfortable and commented to my friend that maybe it was rude to stare and we should give them some privacy. (I'm big on anthropomorphosis.) My friend replied, "So what? If you were having sex, would you care if tortoises were staring at you?" I'm still deciding on the answer to that.

    I'm sure I took a picture of this glorious event (so much for respecting tortoises' privacy rights) and should dig it out and send it to Rick Santorum. If only someone could be there to videotape his head exploding.

    "How freeing it must be to walk through this world heeding neither conscience nor soul." - the rude pundit, 5/4/05

    by pattyp on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 09:45:31 AM PDT

  •  JEERS to the Other vote in your poll. (4.00)
    As a DC resident I HAVE no Senators!

    Or, as I say when I write to them, "every senator is my senator"....

  •  European Constitution (4.00)
    Out of curiosity, isn't the signing of the European Constitution required by the current administration to have one of their tenants for the return of Christ? Isn't that supposed to mean that the Roman Nation has returned?

    What happens if it's not ratified?

    Just curious.

  •  What Pet Goat?? (4.00)
    Does anyone have details that would help me find this children's/president's classic book? I don't get any hits for THE Pet Goat or MY Pet Goat or anything similar on either Amazon or ABEBOOKS, and that's unusual.

    Thanks in advance ...

  •  I wanted to throw this quick one in here (4.00)
    I forgot to yesterday when I posted, but I was in such a rush I forgot.

    Cheers to HBO: Monday morning (Memorial Day) HBO-2 showed WWII documentaries all morning. One of them really opened my eyes to new information. That one was called "Paragraph 175". It's about the part of Germany's Law on Sodomy and Hitler's lead in to exterminating homosexuals along with the Jews. There are about 10 people alive today who survived the camps and tell their stories.

    I never knew how much they were persecuted as well as the Jews. And they also showed the chart of the colored triangles of different people they placed on others to label who they would extinguish.

    Really an eye-opening documentary narrated by Rupert Everett to me.

  •  C & J Minnesota Baseball Edition (4.00)
    CHEERS to Torii Hunter 5-5 with a grand slam & 6 RBI

    CHEERS to Brad Radke 5 wins , 3 walks this season so far.

    CHEERS to the Nayman Brothers, Steve & Dan, who are retiring after long careers with the Highland Park amatuer baseball team.  BTW they are cousins of Hall of Famer Paul Molitor.

    JEERS to the NCAA who won't move the baseball season back a couple of weeks to make a closer to even playing field for northern teams.

    CHEERS to Coach John Anderson, who has turned down numerous jobs to stay at the University of Minnesota.

    CHEERS to Gardy, just because I like his spark.

  •  Rainy SoCal CnJ (4.00)
    Cheers to BiPM - you rock.  Cheers to everyone cheering and jeering, and espeically the bobs and bobettes.  I can't wait for finals to be over so that i have some time to CHAT again.  withdrawls.  kicking in.  yeee.

    Cheers to coffee.  Coffee, coffee, i sing thy praises.  Sweet, sweet half and half, you complete my song.  (this hymn brought you by the paper due today that i was up all night worrying about).

    jeers to teachers.  Yes, you.  You created the assignments.  You're the one making up the finals.  Don't you know I just want to go to class and listen to the lecture?  I loathe the fact that i have to be graded on what i learned - distracts from the actual learning.

    cheers to teachers.  thank you, you kind and lovely people for distilling your knowledge and sharing it with us.  Thank you.  

    jeers to my schizophrenia (sp?).  

    cheers to love.  My boss, after years of unhappiness disolved his civil union last year.  Met a new guy this year.  Is swoony in love with him, and it couldn't happen to a nicer guy.  

    cheers to love.  A woman i work with, who is 40 and had pretty much given up has met a really lovely man and now she's walking around the office in a daze, grinning.  is there anything sweeter than seeing people you care about happy?

    cheers to cnj.  Nietzche, pootie pix, porn and hhg's ass.  It's like a buffet for a starving man.

    cheers to mary j blige.  If you don't have some serious happy after listening to the "No More Drama" disc, listen again.  Repeat as needed for elation.

    jeers to rainy weather.  i hate the rain.  Bring on the sun, dammit, this is why i live in SoCal!  (sorry msoc.)

    and to end on a happy note:
    Cheers to my neighbors, scott, dave, brianne and betty.  they look after me, hold parking spaces for me, eat dinner with me, provide sane advice in a world of insanity, and generally make me giggle.  And that is a good thing.  thanks, guys.

    "How can I turn away? Human as to human...The future is no place To place your better days." -DMB

    by lapolitichick on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 10:10:47 AM PDT

  •  Another liberal book for your kids (4.00)
    Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH

    Quadruple threat--all that sciency stuff, concern about one's obligation to society, winner of the Newbury Medal, and grown-ups can read it.

    Best bet for the next frontier: "Both the Dewey Decimal System and Library of Congress system are biased against conservatives."

    And my senators? Dodd is fine. Fudd's a dud.

    •  Rats of NIMH (4.00)
      A fine, fine, anti-gov'ment novel which features the most brillant rats ever seen in print. I own brillant rats myself; but they haven't thought of resistance to anything, except lack of food. The rats of NIMH now, they don't just eat, they do what needs to be done. There are two sequels to this book; and, while they are not as "good", the gov'ment still takes a hit.
      Cheers to "rattus rattus"!


      by Jaja on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 02:49:39 PM PDT

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  •  Haircuts and books C&J (4.00)
    Cheers to a new haircut, which should help me out if I can get a job interview.
    Jeers to the itchiness you get from the clippings.  I can't even find the clippings on me, but man I feel itchy.
    Jeers to one of this week's episodes of Penn and Teller's Bullshit.  Normally, I generally agree with what they cover, but I thought the episode on college was overly simplistic in the ideas that (1)you can be as successful without college if not more so and (2)professors' concerns about racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. are bullshit and don't justify speech codes.  I don't really agree with speech codes, but when I heard Penn slam a professor talking about these campus problems, he didn't give the professor a chance to explain or show examples.  The university from which I graduated had several racial incidents around the time I attended (late 80s-early 90s), including a brawl after the 1986 world series which was declared racial; harassment of an interracial couple, which led to more trouble; swastikas near student group offices, including one for Jewish students; campus Republicans repeatedly harassing the campus GLB organization; and even an incident in which GLB activists, feuding with another, outed him to his father.  Either the producers of Bullshit didn't look hard enough at that campus to see what was going on, or didn't look at the campuses with real problems. And as for part (1), yes there have been people who have been very successful despite either dropping out of or never attending college (names included Agatha Christie, Bill Gates, and Penn himself), those cases are still pretty rare.  I would not want to have a library run by someone who didn't have at least a bachelor's degree, nor would I want a lawyer whose only credentials were an apprenticeship at a law office -- I would want professionals to have a variety of skills and to have read in different subjects.  No matter which part you look at, that was still a badly done episode.
    To leave things on a cheery note,
    Cheers to fun reading, at home and on break from work. At home, I am reading Terry Pratchett's big illustrated book "The Last Hero" (illustrator Paul Kidby did an excellent job), and on break from work I am reading the second Artemis Fowl book "The Arctic Incident".  Good escapist fun.

    Sorry about the lengthy jeer for Penn and Teller, but I felt the need to refute those parts of their argument.

    "Albatross!" -- Monty Python

    by klamothe on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 10:23:59 AM PDT

  •  crossing my fingers (4.00)
    and eyes and anything for ya - in hopes you land a fantastic job soon. :)  

    All men are created equal - some just stick out more.

    by Damnit Janet on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 10:42:16 AM PDT

  •  My 1st c&j (4.00)
    Okay here's mine:
    Cheers for being back in good old Cambridge, Mass after a year and several thousand miles. Hello to my Kossack neighbours!
    Jeers to not knowing if I have a job or not.
    Jeers to new allergies.
    Jeers to missing my critters.
    Lotsa Jeers to the GOP hypocrites critisising Mr.Felt. I see they have no conscience and never look in the mirror. They preach morals and being a "good citizen" but wouldn't know one(morals or a good citizen!) if they ran it over.
  •  Yertle the Turtle (4.00)
    You missed the real reason the GOP don't like Yertle the Turtle. It's the story about a creature whose ego was so big that he had to climb higher than he could safely. Climb on the backs of others, just like every corrupt Republican in Washington DC. And then he learned the hard way what happens when you fall from great heights. What's that sound like to you? The GOP don't like it because they fear it may foretell their destiny too accurately.

    CHEERS to Dr. Seuss and the most delightful morality tales ever told. Karl Rove? Tom Delay? Petro, Montgomery, Blackwell? You all paying attention?

  •  Left Coast C&J -- Late Edition (4.00)
    CHEERS to taking it easy this morning.

    CHEERS to the spouse taking me out to dinner tonight.

    CHEERS for getting my part of the apartment cleaning done. :)

    JEERS to sour grapes -- the Nixonians are all running down W. Mark Felt.

    JEERS to the fact that everyone in this administration is too loyal or too scared to pull a "Deep Throat"...and JEERS to the fact that the current MSM is too stupid to know what to do with a "Deep Throat" if he/she ever did show up...

    Days until SF Kossacks meet: 3
    Days until spouse on vacation: 8
    Days until we see Margaret Cho: 15

    And finally, JEERS to giving ideas:

    AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - The name of the Lord may no longer be taken in vain in the Dutch village of Staphorst.

    Staphorst, in the so-called Dutch "bible belt" of eastern towns where religion holds sway, approved a ban on swearing by 13-4 council votes.

    But the caveat that swearing is not banned when it is an expression of the constitutional freedom of speech may make it difficult to punish offenders.

    "A ban on swearing can be seen as a signal," the council's proposal said, adding a change in moral values was needed to address the underlying problem.

    Hope the Religious Reich doesn't hear about this...

    Have a great day, everyone!

    "It's an unnerving thought that we may be the living universe's supreme achievement and its worst nightmare simultaneously." -- Bill Bryson

    by Cali Scribe on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 12:18:38 PM PDT

  •  Cheers (4.00)
    To the fact that I'm going to be living in Liberal San Francisco soon

    And Cheers to the fact that I'll be going to school while living there, despite the cutbacks to Federal Aid cause of Bush.

    To Bush, I spit in your eye.

  •  Sox win! Sox win! (4.00)
    David Ortiz hit a 3-run home run in the bottom of the 9th to win the game, 6-4. Edgar Renteria extended the game with a bunt single. Thank you for the 4, Bill. Tomorrow I will attempt a better post.

    "If I am not for myself, who will be for me? If I am only for myself, who am I? And if not now, when?" (Hillel was a liberal)

    by 4jkb4ia on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 01:34:58 PM PDT

  •  Senators (4.00)
    Cheers to Patti Murray and Maria Cantwell here in Washington! Now, if we could do something about the Hon. Cathy McMorris...


    by Jaja on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 02:43:51 PM PDT

  •  Doggies Bottom C&J (4.00)
    Cheers to BiPM Just because I can.  Sir, from the bottom of my heart, thank you for this place.

    Cheers to Graduation Seeing my little buddy walk across that stage......Sniff

    Cheers to Good Friends A special thanks to a friend who cares.......GO BLUE

    Cheers to Good Friends The ones who talk to you when you cannot sleep. Go Angels

    Cheers to all of you

    Peace and Love

    Bottom ;)

  •  Baseball: a funny game (4.00)
    Colorado 8, St. Louis 7. The winning run walked home with the bases loaded by Jason Isringhausen. Izzy, do you remember how desperately I wanted you to come back? Time of game: 5 hours, 24 minutes with two rain delays.
    This is absolutely unreal. The teams with the best and worst records in the league split the series.

    "If I am not for myself, who will be for me? If I am only for myself, who am I? And if not now, when?" (Hillel was a liberal)

    by 4jkb4ia on Thu Jun 02, 2005 at 05:27:02 PM PDT

  •  CHEERS to FRIDAY!!!! (4.00)

    Because it's been a crazy fuckin' week.

    Two hours, 42 minutes a counting...



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