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Well I guess it's not really news, but it's looking more and more like this is a coordinated media/dem power structure attack on Dr. Dean.

And lets realize, if it wasn't "white christians" it'd be something else, they really are out to get him.

Just now on Imus, when he had a chance to defend the Dr., Harold Ford decides to attack the DNC leader. (paraphrasing) "I know that the Governor does not speak for me, nor does he speak for most democrats. He' going to be in Washington today and if he can't tone down his rhetoric I think the party is going to have to go in a different direction." Yes Harold Ford really said words to that effect.

Someone is going to have to explain to me how pointing out that the republicans are a white christian party is somehow an insult to white christians, I don't get it.

We all know that the republican power base doesn't really work for their supporters. I guess the dem power groups in Washington don't really care about their base either. Since the dem party is supposed to be the "party of the people" this is particulary disappointing.

I'm going to email Mr. Ford's office and let him know, that yes, Dr. Dean does speak for me and you politicians in Washington are going to have to start backing him up. If Mr. Ford gets enough emails, maybe he'll change his tune.

Originally posted to SteveLCo on Thu Jun 09, 2005 at 06:07 AM PDT.

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  •  Harold Ford (none)
    has a long history of trying to push the Democrats into a more conservative vein. He also made a play (also on Imus) for house minority leader back when Pelosi was coming into that spot.
    •  Doesn't Ford have other things to worry about? (none)
      His uncle just resigned from the Tennessee legislature over corruption charges--taking cash.

      I really hope Ford is not the Democratic nominee for the Tenn Senate in 2006. I'd love to see Al Gore run a feisty, non-nonsense campaign for this seat.

      •  Gore (none)
        ain't running, so you can forget about that right now.

        The only challenger to Ford at this point is a state senator from Clarksville who I (and pretty much no one else) know nothing about.

        Vote Harold Ford, Jr - Because at least he doesn't have an (R) next to his name. (TN-1)

        by FleetAdmiralJ on Thu Jun 09, 2005 at 07:32:31 AM PDT

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  •  we must not put up with this nonsense... (none)
    ...everytime some Dem attacks Dean, we attack them!
  •  Ford is just another spineless... (none)
    Democrat who thinks pandering to the right will help his chances for higher office. Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton sing in the same choir.

    2008 is looking pretty bleak.

    •  asdf (none)
      Ford is just another spineless Democrat who thinks pandering to the right will help his chances for higher office.

      Of course the truth is that is that, of course it will help his chances to higher office.  If you are expecting a progessive to get elected in Tennessee, forget about it.  Even as conservative as he is he will still have problems winning the Senate seat, regardless of whether he runs against Corker (who is probably more liberal than Ford is) or Van Hilleary or Bryant, both of whom are impometent campaigners who haven't won each of their last elections.

      Dean: A lot of republicans are mindless sheep who dont work honestly. And we wonder why decent republicans won't switch parties. (TN-1)

      by FleetAdmiralJ on Thu Jun 09, 2005 at 06:45:14 AM PDT

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  •  Does Ford... (none)
    ... have a Democratic challenger in the primaries in 2006? If so, I'll bet a few hundred emails to Ford pledging we'll support his challenger will get him to start playing nice.

    hink

    •  Ford (none)
      Is running for the Senate seat being vacated by Frist.

      "Let's put our heads together/And start a new country up/Our father's father's father tried/Erased the parts he didn't like" - R.E.M., "Cuyahoga"

      by Adam B on Thu Jun 09, 2005 at 06:33:08 AM PDT

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      •  D'oh! (none)
        I hope that doesn't render my email to him impotent:

        Dear Congressman Ford:

        I am writing you because I am concerned about your attack on Howard Dean during your appearance on this mornings "Imus in the Morning." I respect different points of view. However, by going on a national program and threatening to "go in a different direction," you are only fanning the flames of the mainstream media's unwarranted attacks on our DNC Chair.

        Please understand that millions of regular, everyday American Democrats are rallying behind Dr. Dean. It is our hope that he will transform the Democratic party into a true party of the people, as opposed to a party that caters to special and corporate interests.

        It's time for citizens to take back control of this country by having politicians answer to us and not their largest donors. If you're not willing to play along, then I'm sure hundreds, if not thousands of regular folk across this country will be happy to contribute to the campaign of a Democrat challenger in your district who will.

        Sincerely,

        hink

    •  Yes, Ford does have a challenger (none)
      Actually the first Democrat to step into the race was State Senator Rosalind Kurita who has been running for the past 5 or 6 months.  She is based out of Clarksville, TN which is home to the 101st Airborne.  She does have an uphill battle in going against Ford mainly because the local press is all but ignoring her in the race.  I had the opportunity to see both of them speak at the Jackson Day dinner in Tennessee and I have to say that in terms of speaking ability Harold Ford blew her out of the water.  

      Some of Ford's problems are:

      A) He has almost no personality, I've seen him a few times and I can't remember once seeing him smile.

      B) His uncle State senator John Ford has just been indicted for taking bribes...so it won't help to hear "Senator Ford said this, or did that".

      C) Its sad to say but he is a Black Democrat running in Tennessee (Birthplace of the Klan), and although we are much more moderate that Alabama or Mississippi, we have a long way to go in the rural areas before they will accept a Black Democrat from Memphis as their Senator.

      Kurita's best shot at beating Ford is to play the "he's not electable card" because of his uncle and also hope that some corruption/scandals of his own break out before the primary.

      And if Ford does win the Primary, he will have to be more Conservative to be Senator than he has been as a Memphis Congressman, thats just the sad fact.  It is imperative that he bucks the "Washington Democrats" and paints himself as a Tennessee/Bredesen Democrat especially because he spends so much more time in "Warshington" than he does in Tennessee.

  •  yet another... (none)
    ... bad bit of press for howard comiong from an NBC outlet. hmmmm. the pattern grows more distinct.

    if everywhere you go smells like dogsh*t, you should probably check your own shoes.

    by monsterofNone on Thu Jun 09, 2005 at 06:32:57 AM PDT

  •  Fuck you Howard Ford (4.00)
    and fuck you Big Tent Democrats. There's no room for a big tent when the entire circus is on fire. I'm sick of having these fundamentalist ass kissing southern and middle America Democrats in our party. There is what's right and there is what's wrong. How are we going to get anywhere as a party if we allow scumbags like Ford to continue to push the Democratic party to be Republican Lite. We tried that in the nineties with Clinton. We tried to compromise with these criminal theocrats. What did we get? A sore ass and a party without a soul. Harold Ford is our new Zell Miller. I say we do to Ford what we should have done to Miller 10 years ago - strip him of his seniority and drum him out of the party.

    Why don't you call them on their bullshit on the air? You're an anchor for fuck sake! - John Stewart

    by The past is over on Thu Jun 09, 2005 at 06:35:12 AM PDT

    •  You know, after re-reading my post (none)
      I think it would be a great idea for moderate democrats and moderate Republicans to both leave their respective parties and form a third party. The right and left of both parties are so ideologically opposed at this point moderates of both parties actually have much more in common with each other than they do with the majority of their party.

      Why don't you call them on their bullshit on the air? You're an anchor for fuck sake! - John Stewart

      by The past is over on Thu Jun 09, 2005 at 06:48:46 AM PDT

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      •  I would question the notion (none)
        that progessives actually make up the majority of the party.

        Vote Harold Ford, Jr - Because at least he doesn't have an (R) next to his name.

        by FleetAdmiralJ on Thu Jun 09, 2005 at 06:52:57 AM PDT

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        •  Anyone who is anti-Bush (none)
          is considered a progressive these days.

          Why don't you call them on their bullshit on the air? You're an anchor for fuck sake! - John Stewart

          by The past is over on Thu Jun 09, 2005 at 06:58:02 AM PDT

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          •  On Harold Ford (4.00)
            I met him two years ago in DC.  He lectured us about how unions are out of the mainstream because we ask for too much.  I almost tipped over from shock.

            He came over to me after and somebody asked me if I wanted my picture with him and I said something to the effect of "fuck that guy" and walked away.  

            And I stand by it.

            "Moral Values Absent Economic Justice Is Poverty of the Soul." - anon.

            by PaulVA on Thu Jun 09, 2005 at 07:28:41 AM PDT

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        •  If you mean by label (none)
          than progressives do not make up the majority of the party...

          If you mean people who are pro-choice, concerned with protecting the environent, serious about protecting the Bill of Rights, not interested in fighting elective wars, believe in equal protection (yeah even for the new blacks----err gays, and even right wing fanatics, believes in an equitable wage structure, social security, etc., etc., etc. then the majority of the party and America supports progressive values.

          I am so far to the left I can almost see the right again.

          by beagleandtabby on Thu Jun 09, 2005 at 09:21:50 AM PDT

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    •  Hey now...I for one applaud Harold Ford.... (none)
      somebody must stand up for the plantation owner!

      Yes...I went there!

      I am so far to the left I can almost see the right again.

      by beagleandtabby on Thu Jun 09, 2005 at 09:23:01 AM PDT

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  •  I have not (none)
     
       approved of what Dean has been saying as of late b/c he should know to keep his rhetoric down after the way the media treated him in 2004. That said, I have often posted my disdain for Representative Ford. His nomination for the Senate seat will ensure that the Republicans keep it. He has no chance.
    •  Well, that may depend how easily people here (none)
      buy into Republican BS.

      Did you know that Harold Ford was a tax and spend pro-gay marriage anti-military Ted Kennedy Liberal?  Thats that the republicans here in Tennessee are saying.

      They have to be assuming that people will take anything they say as the unquestioned truth if they expect people to believe that.

      Dean: A lot of republicans are mindless sheep who dont work honestly. And we wonder why decent republicans won't switch parties. (TN-1)

      by FleetAdmiralJ on Thu Jun 09, 2005 at 06:39:50 AM PDT

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      •  Ford doesn't have an 'R' beside his name? (none)
        Well maybe not for now.  I don't feel I can vote for him - I just sense betrayal down the road.
      •  yeah I know (none)

           the GOP will repeat the same lines everywhere, tax and spend liberal, eats babies, gay loving, Hollywood elitist etc.... But I think Ford shoots himself in the foot. He comes across as self serving and arrogant. i just can't see him winning unless it's a huge Democratic tide. I'd vote for him if I lived there, but with a clothes pin over my nose and a big bottle to Tequila to down. I'd be that depressed.
  •  I think it was CNN where i saw the point (none)
    made the best:

    If the republican party is the "white christian" party, does that mean the Democratic party is the party of non-whites, and non-christians (ie. the party of people who aren't in the majority).

    Well, the truth may be that the answer is yes, but it makes it sound like the Dems are a bunch of illegal mexican immigrant pagans or something. Not exactly the image you want if you are trying to sway the center.

    Dean: A lot of republicans are mindless sheep who dont work honestly. And we wonder why decent republicans won't switch parties. (TN-1)

    by FleetAdmiralJ on Thu Jun 09, 2005 at 06:38:12 AM PDT

    •  I dont think (none)
      This is what Howard was hired to do.  People shouldnt be expending energy having to defend every off the wall comment Dean makes, and despite the die hard here, there are many dems who are wondering what the hell is he talking about?

      We  need clear , 10 second sound bites, and instead we get lines that take constant explaining away, and play right into the republicans hands. I know many here dont want Dean to accept any responsibility , but he is defintely creating too much distraction from the real issues, and needs to learn to play to the choir in more subtle terms that dont leave many main stream  dems going  WTF.

      •  Agreed (none)
        Dean made a mistake.  He needs to learn to think before he speaks.  He's becoming a liability to the party.
        •  Both these comments are crap (none)
          and border line troll, I won't rate them that way, or at all. Dean made an unremarkable comment that is absolutely true, you two should stop feeding the mill and defend the DNC chair.
          •  uhhh gee steve (none)
            Whatever happened to diversity of opinion?

            And apparently they are not so unremarkable, and I know more then a few dems who are shaking their heads.  I mean it may be easy for you to see whats in Howards mind, but lots of people cant, and they shouldnt have to.

            I still love Dean, no matter what you believe, but he doesnt need to be giving ammunition to the repugs and the press. Its distracting.and its gonna cost us at election time.  It didnt work for Dean before, (ie. Iowa primary et al), and I dont its gonna work now.  

            •  You can have all the opinions you want (4.00)
              But if you say that Howard is hurting the party-I disagree-and I'm going to tell you.

              Also, and I don't think this point can be made often enough or loudly enough, "THEY" ARE GOING TO ATTACK HIM NO MATTER WHAT HE SAYS. This is just a fact. So how about getting behind him and defending him instead of helping the turds pile on???

              The criminal tom delay has full turd support-still.

      •  do you really think (4.00)
        dean isn't offering clear, 10 second sound bites in his speeches? it doesn't matter what he says if the media is out to find the worst 10 second sound bite. anythin, taken out of context, can be used to damn him... and let's face it, there isn't a democrat worth his salt that doesn't say the things gov. dean has said in some unguarded moment. the media, NBC in particular, is pouring over every word of every sentence he says looking for something to broadcast. and you have to ask yourself "why?"

        the only answer i come back to is that big corporate media wants a government that can be bought and paid for with big corporate donations. to the extent that gov. dean offers the democrats a way to fund their campaigns without big corporate dollars, he will always be under the negative scrutiny of the news media.

        so in the end you, we as a communtiy, have to decide... do you want citizen funded political parties or do you want corporate funded political parties.by listening to the negative coverage of gov. dean by NBC... by following their lead and by considering replacing gov. dean as the head of the DNC... you are choosing the corporate funded party plan.

        is that what you really want?

        if everywhere you go smells like dogsh*t, you should probably check your own shoes.

        by monsterofNone on Thu Jun 09, 2005 at 07:11:34 AM PDT

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  •  Has anyone noticed that (none)
    The democrats that regularly appear on Imus (Corzine, Biden, Dodd) rarely ever appear on Air America?

    Also, did anyone see this morning the "comedian" on Imus perform his imitation of Dr. Phil?  It was disgusting and pejorative, especially directed at the woman in the yellow shirt. I just don't know how that show still lives.  

    Listen all of y'all it's a Sabotage! - Beastie Boys

    by See you out there on Thu Jun 09, 2005 at 06:40:38 AM PDT

    •  I hate Imus (none)
      His show is disgusting, especially the stuff his sidekicks say. Those two guys are racist, sexist, ethnocentric, and just overall repulsive.  The weird thing is that Imus is on the progressive radio station here in DC (Progressive Talk 1260).  I really don't get it. Why couldn't they get Morning Sedition or some other show for the 6-9am slot?
    •  His ratings are horrible...but it's a con job (none)
      ..the beltway people think he's important, because they've been told so by the media... and the beltway dems (with their Inferiority complex) always bow to the media CW - like lemmings.
  •  ford also said... (none)
    he didn't want Dean campaigning with him in TN. What an ass!! I too will be emailing him to express my disdain for him and his comments.

    As for me, I'm anxiously awaiting the day the world registers great shock at the sight of Christians acting "Christianly." Phil Vischer, creator of Veggie Tales

    by xndem on Thu Jun 09, 2005 at 06:47:57 AM PDT

    •  Thats actually probably smart (3.50)
      having Howard down here campaigning for Ford would probably be the last thing he needs.  He is probably going to avoid anyone who could possibly be labeled as "liberal" like the plague.

      Vote Harold Ford, Jr - Because at least he doesn't have an (R) next to his name.

      by FleetAdmiralJ on Thu Jun 09, 2005 at 06:49:57 AM PDT

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  •  Obama (none)
    This has been picked up by right-wing news sites:

    Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) criticized Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean Wednesday night for using "religion to divide."

    Obama told reporters gathered at the Rock the Vote awards dinner at the National Building Museum in Washington, D.C., that Dean needs to tone down his rhetoric. Dean said on Monday that the Republican Party was "pretty much a white, Christian party."

    http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/6/9/85634.shtml

    Dean will be gone from the DNC if he makes a few more mistakes like this.

    •  What has Dean been doing? (none)
      He's been working on building strong local and state parties in all 50 states.  Ask yourself why this is scaring people.

      It's far better to uphold the Constitution and burn the flag than it is to hold up the flag and burn the Constitution.

      by beemer on Thu Jun 09, 2005 at 07:10:27 AM PDT

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  •  Harold Ford Is Going To Need White Christians... (none)
    ...voting for him if we wants to get elected to the Senate so I can see why he distances himself from Howard Dean's comments.  Dean essentially told 75% of the voters in the South that their home is in the Republican Party.  It was not the smart thing to do.
    •  No. (none)
      This isn't what he said. He said GOP is not a diverse party and has a white Christian over-representation.  A point, incidentally, most GOPers accept and some of them, like writer Romesh Pinnour(sp?) have actually talked about in open.
      •  The problem is that (2.50)
        thats not how the press is spinning it. What dean meant to say is rather irrelevent.  What the media thinks he meant to say is what matters, and thats why he needs to choose his words a little more carefully people think.

        Vote Harold Ford, Jr - Because at least he doesn't have an (R) next to his name. (TN-1)

        by FleetAdmiralJ on Thu Jun 09, 2005 at 07:23:17 AM PDT

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        •  so what you're suggesting is... (none)
          ... the democratic leadership should choose their words based on what an increasingly conservative media "THINKS" they mean?

          this is the goofiest, least well thought out media strategy i've ever heard.

          if everywhere you go smells like dogsh*t, you should probably check your own shoes.

          by monsterofNone on Thu Jun 09, 2005 at 07:43:19 AM PDT

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  •  Ford castigated Clinton (4.00)
    so badly during the impeachment, he almost had to be pulled off the floor. It was th nastiest display I had ever seen by a Democrat at that time.

    I'm sick and tired of Dems attacking each other. but I don't think it's coordinated -- just stupid.

    Just wish Dean would use this same type of rhetoric to attck the Iraq war. He's softened there IMO.

    I didn't like Dean's "white Christians" comment though. Any reference to race is totally inexcuseable. If he had said "black", even the Congressional Black Caucus would have had to go after him; and I wouldn't blame them either.

  •  You're right. This is well orchestrated. (4.00)
    This is a DLC power move.

    Remember the Dems who participate in this.  I will.  Fuck'em.  Let them know, NO TURKEEEE FROM US.

    When it becomes obvious we're backing Dean on this and that he's going to be the survivor, they'll get back in line.  

    Just one question though.  Where the fuck were these guys in 2004 when we needed attack dogs to go after Bush?  That should tell you everything you need to know about the DLC/beltway crowd behind this.

    •  So, does that mean (none)
      any time a few moderate who think that insinuating that you're insulting some of the very people we are trying to bring over and vote Democratic is moronic somehow constitutes a vast DLC conspiracy? please.

      Vote Harold Ford, Jr - Because at least he doesn't have an (R) next to his name. (TN-1)

      by FleetAdmiralJ on Thu Jun 09, 2005 at 07:31:09 AM PDT

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      •  That's total baloney. (none)
        First of all, the comments he made were in public, but they weren't meant for publication, so I don't see how it is meant to insult anybody.  It's a statement of demographics.  The demographic purity of the Republicans is a potential chink in their armor.

        By the way, if Bill Kristol doesn't see anything wrong with what Dean said, I don't see why you want to take offense at it for him.

      •  Heres what you and the rest of the (none)
        "moderates in DC" don't understand.
        Howard Dean doesn't owe you squat.You did everything in your power to try to stop him from becoming Chairman and YOU FAILED.The only people Dean has to answer to are the state Dems who have rejected the DC Dems and "moderates"(DLC) and elected him Chair.

        Go read the list of Dems who are distancing themselves from Dean.They are all whores for corperations and their votes prove it.

        http://dumpjoe.com/

        by ctkeith on Thu Jun 09, 2005 at 07:56:27 AM PDT

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        •  Except (none)
          for the fact that I supported Dean for chair, under the impression that he would let pelosi and Reid be the face of the party, not him.

          Vote Harold Ford, Jr - Because at least he doesn't have an (R) next to his name. (TN-1)

          by FleetAdmiralJ on Fri Jun 10, 2005 at 12:03:37 PM PDT

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      •  FleetAdmiralJ (none)
        Captain of the Vichy navy.
      •  You are going to have to explain to me (none)
        how stating a simple fact is insulting. Now if he had said "I think the white christians of the turd party are a bunch of dirt bag bastards", that would be an insult!!!!
  •  The DC party has no Discipline or Vision (none)
    It's all me, me, me, me, me.

    Can you imagine a Gooper saying Delay or Pat Robertson or Santorum or Cornyn or Arhnold needs to tone down their rhetoric or else...

    In fact people have been amazed that Reid has been able to keep people in line, and for so long.  that's how bad we are, that the press is shocked when we do the smart thing tactically.

  •  I guess Ford doesn't want to run for the Senate (none)
    The goopers know that you have to treat the base with respect if you want them to turn out, especially in an off year election.

    For some reason, the DC dems haven't figured that out yet, even after the debacle of 2002.

    •  and (none)
      I'm figuring Ford's not going to accept any of the $$$ the DNC raises

      As for me, I'm anxiously awaiting the day the world registers great shock at the sight of Christians acting "Christianly." Phil Vischer, creator of Veggie Tales

      by xndem on Thu Jun 09, 2005 at 09:09:33 AM PDT

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