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Today I awoke to see this diary atop the Recommended list. Help Star Tribune! First newspaper to call Bush a liar gets attacked by Bushies.

Good diary. Good idea. Right wing attacks Star Trib, 1000 cancelled subscriptions, publishers unnerved etc. Let's help them.

But then I got to thinking.

Why not US?

Why are we always REACTING to organized wingnuttery?

And that led me once again to my oft repeated idea of a

More after the break.

So I responded with this comment:

Digby says "Cancelled subscriptions are unnerving the publisher."

I can well see how that might happen. When it's a (moderately) left wing newspaper and it is attacked by the right, we all see the danger. You post a diary about it and it is immediately on the recommend list.

But WE do nothing to use OUR power to effect the same sort of result regarding the massive stonewalling of the truth that has been perpetrated by the corporate media over the last...oh, let's say 42 years just to be on the safe side.

Why are WE not using the same tactics?

I proposed something I called

months ago here that never gained much traction.

Why not???

(Please go here,  here, here, here and especially here to read several diaries and many comments on this NEWSTRIKE!!! idea.)

The right wing does it.

Why not us?

Was the proposition maybe a little too broad? Not focused enough? OK...let me ask you kossacks a couple of questions.

Digby says "Cancelled subscriptions are unnerving the publisher." Anyone know how MANY cancelled subscriptions it has taken to "unnerve" this publisher? When the LA Times reported on Schwarzenegger's groping activities just before the gubernatorial election, Editor & Publisher said "Almost as important as the Times' decision to air the charges was the reaction they provoked (including more than 1,000 cancelled subscriptions), and how the newspaper dealt with it."

1000 cancelled subscription rocked a newspaper with a circulation of 907,997? (http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050502/lam103.html?.v=8) THAT'S ABOUT.1% OF ITS BUSINESS!!! Looks like it's pretty damned easy to get these corporate frontrunners' attention, doesn't it?

Well?

What are we WAITING for?

What mainstream newspaper or magazine is most subscribed to by the people on this blog?

TIme Mag? Newsweek? WAPO? NY Times?

The NY Times claims a circulation of 1,136,433. (http://www.nytco.com/investors-nyt-circulation.html)

Time Mag? Time's circulation in the United States is 4,000,000 weekly.(http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=152157)

Newsweek and WAPO are probably in the same general ball park...Avis to the others' Hertz.

So 1000 or so cancelled subscriptions would get the attention of WAPO and the NY Times, and 4000 would make some noise in the offices of  Newsweek and Time Magazine.

50,000+ Kossacks?

C'mon!!!

It's a SLAM DUNK!!! (With apologies to Mr. Tenet.)

Do you mean to tell me that there are not 4000 Kossacks with a subscription to Time or Newsweek? Hell...they practically GIVE those useless rags away!!!

CANCEL their asses!!!

1000 measly Kossacks with a subscription of some sort to the NY Times?

CANCEL, and TELL THEM WHY!!!

Let's take this a little further.

For the last week of 2004, an average of 8.4 million households tuned in to watch NBC's "Nightly News". 7.7 million for ABC, 6 million for CBS. (http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/1/11/105324.shtml)

So if they operate on the same general scale of corporate cowardice and short term bottom line paranoia as the LA Times...and I will BET you that they do...then only about 8000 serious emails and letters to NBC News telling them that we are through watching their lying asses stonewall the truth would snap their little grey flannel heads right back out of their corporate assholes.

As I have posted here a NUMBER of times...

An idea whose time has come.

DO IT!!!

Stop being so dismissive of all those so-called "wingnuts". Hell, people...they may be stupid but they DO wield their power, don't they?

How stupid are we NOT to?

An idea whose time has come.

I can see it now.

The Independence Day Media Massacre!!!

MONDAY.

Let's DO IT!!!

AG

Originally posted to Arthur Gilroy on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 05:08 AM PDT.

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  •  Please recommend this diary up (4.00)
    so that it has some legs.

    And...anyone with contact info handy for the papers, mags and networks mentioned, please post them. I don't have time to do the research right now...got places to do, things to go.

    Let us DO this, folks!!!

    Just the people HERE have enough numbers to do it.

    Cross post this to OTHER blogs.

    Let's MAKE SOME WAVES.

    I got yer fireworks right HERE!!!

    Happy Independence Day.

    Let's BE independent for a change, instead of reacting a day late and a dollar short to the wingnuts.

    Let's give THEM something to worry about fore a change.

    Later...

    AG

    "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

    by Arthur Gilroy on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 05:15:48 AM PDT

    •  You should also push (4.00)
      for "retaliatory" action: if a paper loses x subscriptions because of a right-wing campaign, then let's have 3x or 5x new subscriptions in from Kossacks. That would also send a message, and it's a lot more positive one:

      say the truth, and we'll have your back.

      European Tribune - bringing dKos to Europe
      in the long run, we're all dead (Keynes)

      by Jerome a Paris on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 07:16:43 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I would go as far as to say that (4.00)
        any papers that are starting to actually print truth rather than propoganda should be automatically subscribed to by Kossacks as a way of supporting the good reporting - before the wingnuts even think to boycott.

        In addition, if a writer writes something you appreciate for its veracity give him or her some love - we are good at attacking the liars - but are we as good at lovin' the truth-sayers?

        •  I like that... (4.00)
          And thanks for the recommendation.

          AG

          "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

          by Arthur Gilroy on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 08:03:23 AM PDT

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          •  I cancelled my NY Times ages ago! (none)
            I also diaried my cancellation.  I miss the old beast, but I can't do a NEWSSTRIKE alone.

            I live in NYC, I can advise any other cancelling Kossacks they can, remove it from the garbage recycling, they can buy it from a newstand and they can read on the computer until they hide the only things worth reading, Krugman and Bob Herbert.

            •  I canceled (none)
              my Washington Post subscription a long time ago. The problem is that you can only do it once.
              •  I unsubscribed from (none)
                The Kerry and Edwards newsletters when they didn't back up Howard Dean. I don't subscribe to any magazines, I get the important stories here in the blogosphere for free. I have actually checked out the front page of NYTimes at Starbucks, it's true!
            •  But what we can do (none)
              even if we unsubscribed, is to write an email telling them that there is no way we will ever pick up their paper again until it stops reporting govt propaganda and starts telling the truth!!!

              Old subscribers are still targeted just as much as current readers. Look at the crap that comes in through your mailbox from previously subscribed to magazines.
              They still see you as valuable and your opinions matter to them.

              Common sense isn't that common - Voltaire

              by obgynlover on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 03:52:00 PM PDT

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        •  Positive Reinforcement (none)
          is definitely a good thing.  I have started emailing columnists, both well-known and obscure, when I like what they have to say.
      •  YES!!! (none)
        IF of course people are willing (and able) to spend the money.

        Some can...many cannot.

        AG

        "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

        by Arthur Gilroy on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 07:34:40 AM PDT

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      •  STrib already got my subscription (none)
        YES!  We must counter their actions with our support.  Just sent my money to the Star Tribune.

        As for the the "newstrike" idea, I wonder how many Kossacks still have subscriptions to these media machines. I already cancelled my 20+ year NYT subscription more than one year ago in protest.

        "Don't expect politicians, even the good ones, to do your job for you. Politicians are like weather vanes. Our job is to make the wind blow." David R. Brower

        by lindaw on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 11:13:00 AM PDT

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    •  I'm curious (4.00)
      How many cancellations did Time get for the Coultergeist cover?  Lots of us cancelled subs that day, & told them why.

      I agree that we should do this en masse when possible.  A DFA blogger did a media strike that brought down CNN's # in just one month of Mondays a couple years back.

      Maybe you should do a post with targets every Sunday, for action on Monday, to keep it alive.

      The concept of war is outdated. Dalai Lama

      by x on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 08:54:25 AM PDT

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      •  My family no longer subscribes to Time (none)
        and we are very happy about no longer getting it.  Still take Newsweek, though.
      •  Was there any news mention of cancellations due (none)
        to the Coulter ugliness? I saw plenty of disgust on the blogs, but was there any other response? Coverage? Anyone know?

        Also, I already cancelled my NYTimes subscription with reasons shortly after the 2000 election. No response, except a pathetically non-bargain rate offered a month ago "to bring back readers who no longer subscribe."  Haven't sent it back yet with letter and suggestions for improvements which would get my money in a NY minute.

      •  Maybe... (none)
        Good idea.

        AG

        "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

        by Arthur Gilroy on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 09:56:20 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Poll on Time cancellations (none)
        I did a poll after the Coulter cover to see how many Kossacks had cancelled their subscriptions to Time. Of 150 responses, 18 (12%) had cancelled their subscription the week of Coulter.  The vast majority of respondents, 101 (67%) had never subscribed and only 7 people (4%) said they still had a subscription.  
    •  Clarification on assignment, please? (4.00)
      How much are we allowed to rant when explaining why we are cancelling our subscriptions?

      For example:

      "The microcephalic cretins on your editorial staff continue to pander to the criminal, right-wing extremists bent on stripping the last human rights from anyone not aligned with their fascist policies."

      OR

      "The continued drift of editorial opinion to the right does not serve the public, who depends on a balanced journalistic ethic needed to feed our living democracy."

      I mean, I need to get an "A" to bring my semester average up.  I'm trying to get a job as a Wal-Mart greeter.

      "It's been headed this way since the World began, when a vicious creature made the jump from Monkey to Man."--Elvis Costello

      by BigOkie on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 09:07:32 AM PDT

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      •  Probably the second one. (none)
        The microcephalic cretins on the staff probably cannot READ the words "microcephalic cretins", and may indeed go into gran mal seizures at the effort.

        Then Homebland Security would come a'knock knock knockin' at your door, and we would hear from you...

        Nevermore.

        AG

        "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

        by Arthur Gilroy on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 09:59:48 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Arthur (none)
      It was a great idea the first time you suggested it, and I commend your tenacity.

      This is your moment. It finally got through. Savour it.

      (Incidentally, I never subscribed to anything but the L.A. TImes, and Adam and I canceled it earlier this year when Mallard Fillmore went too fucking far. We called and told them we'd re-subscribe when Mallard was either moved to the editorial page or, better, removed from the paper altogether. And that's what we tell them every time they call.)

      Rage, rage, against the lying of the Right.

      by Maryscott OConnor on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 09:43:32 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Well, thank you, Maryscott. (4.00)
        But I'm greedy.

        I want MORE than one moment.

        I want a BIGGER moment.

        Like when I walk by a newstand and see a Times headline like DSMGATE BRINGS DOWN THE PRESIDENCY

        or

        ROVE SENTENCED TO 50 YEARS IN PRISON

        or

        BUSH, RUMSFELD AND CHENEY IN THE DOCK AT THE HAGUE

        THAT kind of moment.

        Let us pray.

        AG

        "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

        by Arthur Gilroy on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 10:05:40 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  And then someone commented (4.00)
    on the Help Star Tribune! First newspaper to call Bush a liar gets attacked by Bushies diary that they wished that they subscribed to a newspaper just so that they could join the strike.

    And I answered:
    ---

    You can STILL do this.

    I am posting a diary regarding this idea.

    The Independence Day Media Massacre. Dkos finally flexes its economic muscle!!!

    Help recommend it up so that it has some legs, and let us DO this.

    AND...call, email or write ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, your local news shows and yes...even Fox News. TELL them what you are doing.

    USE the NEWSTRIKE!!! word. Give them a LABEL to help them worry even more.

    Hell...use the LOGO!!!

    (The posting code for that is logo is

    img src="http://www.dkosopedia.com/images/1/1d/Newstrike_001.jpg"

    with a < at the beginning and a > at the end. Thank you very much Apian.)

    Let us DO this thing.

    It is time for US to make some waves.

    BushCo is in trouble.

    Rover's ass may VERY well be fried on Tuesday with the Plame thing.

    The media are beginning to come around a little bit.

    A VERY little bit.

    Let us give them a SOLID boot in the ass to help them on along their way.

    An idea whose time has (FINALLY!!!) come.

    AG

    "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

    by Arthur Gilroy on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 05:18:49 AM PDT

  •  No good idea goes unpunished (4.00)
    here at DKOS.

    My own great idea that never got traction was to push all out for more states to pass vote ONLY by mail, as in Oregon, or even to push for Congressional action.

    I even sent an impassioned written plea to John Conyers which he ignored, possibly because he is now spending most of his time posting diaries on this website.

    Clearly, the VOBM system ends voter disenfranchisement, increases local race turnout TREMENDOUSLY, and leads to more Dumocrats elected than Rebumblicans. All proved in the Oregon experience.

    Of course, no traction.

    •  Yeah, but this one is SO simple!!! (none)
      I posted a diary yesterday... a sort of upbeat, feelgood piece called I Do NOT Think That We Are Through Yet (With PROOF) that quite unexpectedly ROCKETED to the top of the rec list and stayed there all day. 190+ comments...the works.

      And then I post THIS...simple, practical, proven through facts and figures, all's it does is ask these so-called "progressives" to take the SMALLEST of actions (no go-out-of-the-house-and-take-to-the-streets stuff, just an email or two...), and...

      An hour and a half later, as it sinks down the list (it's about 3/10ths of the way  down now) to a sadly ignored, lonely funeral...

      Nada,

      Zilch.

      Nothing.

      No WONDER we are losing.

      Meanwhile, it begins to look as if the corporate media are going to try to stonewall the Rove/Plame connection just like they have all the OTHER scandals of Ratpub administrations, and all the kossacks have to say is "Oh well...it's July 4th weekend, What do you expect...???"

      Weak.

      If it was a blue dress story, it would be all OVER the Sunday papers.

      But something of substance?

      Naaaaahhhh...

      Discouraging, to say the least.

      Oh well...there's always the potato salad, corn dogs and beer...

      Fat people don't do SHIT!!!

      Later...

      AG

      "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

      by Arthur Gilroy on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 06:49:53 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Not everyone agrees with you about voting by (4.00)
      mail - I have spent some time inside some Postal Service plants and you know that is why I don't really agree with mail ONLY.  

      That does not mean that the whole Democracy stops - we've been voting in person for some 215 years.  I personally prefer to see my ballot dropped directly in the ballot box not in a local mail box.  

      Try not to take a single issue for which you feel passionately and make it the single reason the world is going to fall apart.

  •  Unfortunately (4.00)
    If you have a bit of name recognition around here you could write a diary about hemorrhoids and get it on the recommended list. Shouldn't work that way but it does.
    •  6 months ago (none)
      I had no name recognition here either. Then I started spending several hours a day preparing and writing diaries, and contributing comments here and elsewhere. And guess what - name recognition did not come instantly. It's hard work, believe it or not...

      European Tribune - bringing dKos to Europe
      in the long run, we're all dead (Keynes)

      by Jerome a Paris on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 07:14:33 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I am DOING the hard work. (none)
        And generally, I have no particular interest in immediate recognition.

        But this...THIS is kinda time dependent, if y'get my drift.

        The Independence Day Media Massacre and all...

        Like...tomorrow?

        And thanks for the recommendation and encouraging words. I like your work a great deal.

        AG

        "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

        by Arthur Gilroy on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 07:32:12 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  and you're getting there... (none)
          I've certainoly notices your Newstrike logo around...

          But as you say, timing plays a big role, and people do not care about some issues all the time, only when there is something big enough to rile them up. So find the best issue associated with your cause, and play it at the best time.

          European Tribune - bringing dKos to Europe
          in the long run, we're all dead (Keynes)

          by Jerome a Paris on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 07:57:02 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Is Rove going to jail (none)
            big enough?

            If the media does not cover this...it fades away just like all of the others.

            AG

            "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

            by Arthur Gilroy on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 08:04:58 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

      •  Oh (none)
        I thought you just had to come up with a good name. Jerome a Paris sounds so sophisticated. Joan in Seattle is just so dull.

        (Just kidding! You're right about building a reputation and a following. So many diaries. I gravitate to the writers who've interested me in the past.)

    •  So why did the feelgood diary yesterday (4.00)
      make the grade?

      No, I think that it is deeper than that.

      It is middle class ennui.

      Bourgeois fake radicalism.

      All hat and no cattle.

      All chat and no battle.

      Not even a little, tiny, eentsy weentsy yellow polka dot bikini's worth of real fight.

      And the right knows this.

      They spit in the face of people like Small K kerry and he marches away down the bar instead of smacking them.

      Why are they so afraid of Howard Dean?

      Because if they try to do that to HIM he will grab them by the nuts, pull them outside and give them a good old fashioned royal ass-kicking.

      And why is there not more support for Dean among the Party regulars and hacks...many of whom masquerade here as concerned lefties and then snipe at ANYTHING that smacks in the least of real, radically effective action?

      Because they are WEAK.

      And/or because they REALLY belong to the PERMANENT Party.

      The Permanent Government.

      The PermaGov.

      The fabric of hustlers, lobbyists, and do as little as possible pols (who DO know how to get re-elected) that is the REAL government of this fine country.

      Too bad.

      They are stonewalling and do-nothing us right into the toilet.

      Too bad.

      Too goddamned bad.

      AG

      "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

      by Arthur Gilroy on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 07:16:39 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Like Scott Evil says, (none)
      Preperation "H" works well on the (w)hole...
  •  Only five comments? (none)
    This idea is a no brainer but I can-t believe how little traction you-ve mustered on this sleepy Sunday morning.  We have had calls to muster our media muscle before but usually it is about a specific issue--not generalized to protect -left leaning (!) press-or mob a corporate giant like NYTs--judging from the posts though (Plame thread got 200 or more strikes) people seem to be looking for something a little more passive this AM.

    I-m in, but I-m not sure what that means. . .

    Forgive the funky punctuation.  Chile--internet cafe.

    •  Forgiven...I suppose. (none)
      But if you are so "in"...where's YOUR recommendation?

      I don't mean to pimp this diary...hell, I've written about 40 diaries in the couple of months I've been here, and it's generally immaterial to me whether they get read by 10 or 10,000...but really...

      If everybody who said they were "in" here actually DID something...and Chilean internet café or not, you can CERTAINLY mouse your way up to the top and drop a recommendation on in there...we'd be SAILING.

      DO something!!!

      AG

      "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

      by Arthur Gilroy on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 07:23:57 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Shouldn't it be (4.00)
    NEWSSTRIKE?

    Two S's?

    I mean, newsstand has two s's... so logically...

    Just a thought. :)

    •  Perfect. (2.28)
      I write a piece that promises the possibility of real, EFFECTIVE action on what is the single biggest obstacle to progressive change in America...and YOU WANT TO QUIBBLE ABOUT A MISSING "S"!!!???

      Where's YOUR recommendation?

      I got yer "S" right HERE!!!

      SSSSSSSSssssssss...

      As the air seeps out of the left wing of this country.

      Great.

      AG

      "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

      by Arthur Gilroy on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 07:28:23 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Got to say the missing "s" got to me too (4.00)
        I kept looking at is and thinking would it be better with the second "s," so the meaning is crystal clear: News Strike vs. New Strike.  Without the context, it would be a puzzler, IMHO.

        Idea is fantastic, and why haven't we done it before? Because we libs have too much respect for any attempt at news gathering and we don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater? We don't want to be censors? It's not easy being reality-based!

      •  I got your "S"'s right here (4.00)
        Again -- this ThatsNotFunny was being constructive and trying to help you build your diary.

        Your response was rude. It's crap - which is shit with one S.

  •  Some of us here are too poor (4.00)
    to have subscriptions to cancel. I would also reccomend contacting the companies who advertise in the right wing media. Tell them that you won't do buisness with anybody who is paying money to advertise in the right wing echo chamber.

    Vote with your dollars, and let the moneymen know who you are.

    Al Queada is a faith-based initiative.

    by drewfromct on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 07:18:36 AM PDT

    •  I refer you to my comment above (none)
      titled "And then someone commented".

      Call the networks and do the same thing.

      AG

      "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

      by Arthur Gilroy on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 07:36:52 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Remember Sinclair (4.00)
      the left went to bat with advertisers then, and it made an impact.

      Equally important is not targeting news organizations because they're left or right, rather a boycott based on lack of balance -- a track record of slanted news coverage. That gives advertisers a reasonable thing to demand in exchange for their advertising dollars.

  •  Speaking from experience (4.00)
    As an editor/publisher who had to weather two separate attempted take-downs of my publication (and a well-funded start-up rival), I can tell you, I was far, far less unnerved by the cancellation of subscriptions than I was by the threat of ads being pulled.

    Paid circulation numbers are only loosely tied to economics; generally, the higher the paid circulation, the more you can charge for ads. Subscriptions barely even cover the cost of delivery, and for some newspapers it's actually a loss leader, so losing .1% of subscribers wouldn't unnerve me a bit. In fact, I think we actually lost nearly 10 percent at one point. BUT our newsstand sales went up astronomically (which actually made us more money) because former subscribers love to keep their hatred going by reading your rag each week.

    What REALLY got my attention was when readers targeted my two biggest advertisers and said they wouldn't shop there if they continued to advertise, thus causing threats from the advertisers (major grocery store chains) to pull out if the newspaper didn't make peace in the community.

    Thus, my advice is to focus on targetting the top three or four advertisers in a publication and get them to put the pressure on. Don't target the advertisers who are using inserts (the stuff that falls out); there's very little revenue there, comparatively. Target the advertisers who have double-trucks (two-page spreads) printed on the pages itself (if possible). If  not, target full-page advertisers for a long, long time.

    THAT will get a publisher's attention.

    •  Yes. (none)
      All part of my original posts on the subject. (Please go here,  here, here, here and especially here to read them, if you are at all interested.)

      Not as focused as yours, but then the only newspaper on which I ever worked was called RAT NEWSPAPER, out of NY's Lower East Side in the '60s, and believe me...we had NO worries about advertisers, because we HAD none.

      One of my takes on the lack of interest shown by kossacks around this idea was that it was too amorphous and required too much original action and thought for them to actually DO it...thus the idea of just concentrating on subscriptions and the networks.

      If I can find the time, manage to stomach the content, and ever get enough response here that it seems worth the time and effort, I am going to do a survey of the advertisers on the corporate networks' largest news shows and list THEM here as well.

      But...as long as the all hat, no cattle/all chat, no battle thing seems to predominate here...why bother?

      People who can't get it together to boycott the newspapers aren't going to put a dent in General Motors, Pfizer or MBNA anyway.

      Too busy driving their Buick SUVs bought on credit down to the local mall superdrugstore to refill their prescriptions.

      Later...

      AG

      "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

      by Arthur Gilroy on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 07:48:40 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  My advice (4.00)
        And feel free to take it or leave it.

        1. Pick one outlet to target. It should be one that has the shallowest pockets (requires research). Someone like AOL/Time Warner is not a good choice because they can withstand an advertising boycott longer.

        2. Do the research and find out its top four or five advertisers over at least a two-year period. Grabbing only the biggest current advertisers can be meaningless because they may be short quick runs anyway (like the infamous Gilligan's Island pie ad, which was time-sensitive and going to disappear soon anyway).

        3. Provide Kossacks with email addresses, phone numbers, snail mail and fax numbers of those top advertisers. Make sure it's making it to the PR/Marketing Department.

        4. Write a couple of different suggested messages that Kossacks can easily riff off of.

        5. Encourage Kossacks to use all four methods of contact -- email, phone, snail mail and fax -- thus amplifying one person's voice fourfold.

        6. Make it clear that results are rarely instantaneous and that these contacts may need to be repeated at least weekly for quite a long period in order to be effective.

        After a success or two at a smaller, shallow-pocketed outlet, you'd probably have learned enough from the process and built up enough base of experienced Kossack activists to try and take on one of the big guys.

        As I said ... just advice. Take or leave.

  •  Perhaps post a poll? (none)
    How many Kossacks subscribe to newspapers? I haven't subscribed to a newspaper in 13 years.

    Perhaps purchasing a subscription to the Star Tribune. When doing so, tell them you're doing it because of their stance.

    You many now return to your regularly scheduled chaos.
    http://godsdead.blogspot.com

    by becca00 on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 07:21:40 AM PDT

    •  How many subscribe to Time + Newsweek? (none)
      Lots, I'm betting.

      And it would only TAKE 1000 to get a major newspaper's attention.

      AG

      "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

      by Arthur Gilroy on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 07:50:31 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  You're throwing out the baby with the bathwater (4.00)
    You're right, The New York Times has many shortcomings. It's also the newspaper that covered Watergate from A to Z;  came out against Vietnam and stayed with it;  wrote about the coming disease pandemics a decade ago; changed its style rules to "Ms" pretty early on;  covers gay marriages and unions on its Weddings pages;  brings us Paul Krugman, Frank Rich,Bob Herbert, and other columnists/guest columnists of substance;  and recently wrote an insightful multi-part article on Class in America.

    The press reads the press.  Many articles that appear in the NY Times (and the LA Times and the WaPo for that matter) are picked up by other papers and the evening news.  And that can happen - and is starting to happen - again. But not if we flex muscle by turning our backs on them.  In terms of mainstream journalism, the Times is one of the best friends we have.

    Tikkun Olam: Heal the World

    by diamondpen on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 07:25:32 AM PDT

    •  Actually the left needs to... (none)
      ...assimilate these papers.  we also need a lefty tabloid format paper.  Plenty of T&A  and star gossip with a couple of anti Bush tirades mixed in the column inches.  Sorta like the Daily Mirror.   Anyone see the NYPost ?  Something like that but left wing.  
    •  It is NOT that newspaper any longer. (none)
      You are living in the past.

      And maybe on the society pages and the generalized mag articles that blow a lot of smoke but don't break any mirrors.

      Where is the coverage...extensive, hard hitting coverage, not some "Oh, we'd better put a little in here for form's sake", of:

      DSM

      Gannon/Guckert

      Rove/Plame

      Vote fraud

      Where were they when the frogmarch to the Blood For Oil War was in full swing?

      RIGHT IN LINE!!!

      "Ms." my ASS!!!

      Sorry, diamondpen ...they were all OVER Monica's little blue dress and the cigar.

      Throwing the baby out with the BATHWATER!!!???

      Hell, the rag's no longer worthy of sopping up a shower spill.

      The NY Times...with friends like that, we don' NEED no steenking enemies.

      AG

      "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

      by Arthur Gilroy on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 08:01:17 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  So, fuck the paper that brings us Krugman et al? (none)
        You're a tad over the top, my friend. Not that I want to be in the position of defending the Times - I agree, it's not what it used to be - but it's got a lot of good people, and they're who we need to align with, not work against.

        Tikkun Olam: Heal the World

        by diamondpen on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 08:38:58 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  You're just preaching to the choir here (none)
        As already pointed out, smart people don't subscribe to all the crap that you don't want us to subscribe to.

        But, you know - I would pay to see the love child of Arthur Gilroy and APIAN -- my god - what a tenacious little devil that would be.

        Tenacity - a terrible thing to waste - so don't.

        "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance; it is the **illusion** of knowledge." Stephen Hawking

        by maven98 on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 09:24:19 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  SNORT!!! (none)
          I might pay to MAKE it!!!

          AG

          P.S. My nickname when I was a kid?

          Mule.

          Really.

          "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

          by Arthur Gilroy on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 10:18:14 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  Times as propaganda (4.00)
      When I was in high school, I was lucky to take a class called "Logic and Propaganda". After a basic primer on logic, we studied methods of propaganda, using primarily the communist paper Pravda and ... The New York Times. We studied how the Times manipulated story placement and choice of photographs, especially on the Middle East and certain political candidates. I have detected no change in their policies.
      Now, for the most part, the Times is centrist, occasionally liberal. But they covered up Israeli atrocities for years, and used subtle means to try to influence elections, often making progressives look bad. They really seemed to have it in for Jesse Jackson, too.
      But why should we cut them slack just because their views are not always as repulsive as that of Fox? The Times is not a paragon of journalism, far from it. They do the same spin and manipulation, just in a more "civilized" manner.
      There is some good journalism there, but if we dug deep enough we might even find some at Fox.

      American press is disgusting because unlike the Brits, they don't have the guts to wear their politics on their sleeves. Instead, they pretend neutrality, when no American paper has ever been remotely neutral, going back to the days of Franklin. But our classy founders didn't have to lie about it.

      I'm a linguist, licensed to use words any way I want to!

      by MakeChessNotWar on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 10:45:16 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Yup. (none)
        Witness the subtle way that the Times assassinated Howard Dean in favor of Small K kerry.

        They're good at what they do...

        It's what they DO that's not good.

        AG

        "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

        by Arthur Gilroy on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 11:01:13 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  NYTimes was LAST to use Ms (none)
      Not only was the NY Times the LAST to use Ms, but said so at the time.

      Curious bit of historical revisionism to give credit for a first when it was in fact a last

  •  Look for USA Today to be targeted. (none)
    Al Neuarth, their publisher, has called Bush a liar in his column. Watch for the right to target them with boycotts and cancelled subscriptions as well.
    •  I think that USA Today (none)
      has been SUCH a good friend to BushCo...the CNN of newspapers...that it probably will NOT be targeted. Not effectively anyway.

      Maybe...

      AG

      "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

      by Arthur Gilroy on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 08:07:53 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  And That's a Great Example of the Futility... (4.00)
      ...of subscriber "strikes."  

      If anyone thinks cancelling newspaper subscriptions is a way to really hurt a major newspaper, you should read up on the Detroit Newspapers strike of the mid to late 1990's.  The Detroit News and Detroit Free Press, operating under a Joint Operating Agreement, provoked a strike.  Gannett, owner of the News, was the force behind the provoking the strike, and subsequently extending the lockout after the unions made an unconditional offer to return to work in 1997.  Since USAT was the flagship of the Gannett holdings, the AFL-CIO instituted a national boycott of Gannett.  With over 13 million members at the time, the AFL-CIO had about 12,950,000 more "members" than does Daily Kos.  And during that boycott, Gannett posted record profits.

      As SusanG points out upthread, subscriber boycotts don't really worry editors 1/100th as much as ad boycotts.  And since secondary boycotts are illegal through the Taft-Hartley amendments to the National Labor Relations Act, it's damn tough to institute an effective advertiser boycott.  

      •  Oops, Sorry (3.40)
        Forgot the formatting rules.

        ...of subscriber "strikes."  

        If anyone thinks cancelling newspaper subscriptions is a way to really hurt a major newspaper,

        you should read up on the Detroit Newspapers strike of the mid to late 1990's.  

        The Detroit News and Detroit Free Press,

        operating under a Joint Operating Agreement, provoked a strike.  

        Gannett,

        owner of the News,

        was the force behind the provoking the strike,

        and subsequently extending the lockout after the unions made an unconditional offer to return to work in 1997.  

        Since USAT was the flagship of the Gannett holdings,

        the AFL-CIO instituted a national boycott of Gannett.  

        With over 13 million members at the time,

        the AFL-CIO had about 12,950,000 more "members" than does Daily Kos.  

        And during that boycott,

        Gannett posted record profits.

        As SusanG points out upthread,

        subscriber boycotts don't really worry editors 1/100th as much as ad boycotts.  

        And since secondary boycotts are illegal through the Taft-Hartley amendments to the National Labor Relations Act,

        it's damn tough to institute an effective advertiser boycott.

        I really don't care enough to figure out the appropriate places to put all caps,

        underlines,

        etc.

      •  I think that things have changed since then. (none)
        We are not TALKING about "hurting profits" here. Not really.

        We are talking about a bunch of insecure, scared frontrunners who are being stampeded by the right.

        Stampedes work TWO ways.

        Let's scare them back at LEAST into the center of the field.

        A couple of rifle shots will stampede a herd of cattle if they're ripe for it, even though the rifle itself is not directly threatening to the survival of the herd.

        These media are RIPE for it.

        They KNOW something is "wrong"; a LOT of the people who work at these media outlets on all levels would like nothing BETTER than an excuse to cover these stories (I KNOW these people. Intimately. By marriage.), and a stampede is brought about by movements of individual animals in a group. First one moves, then another, and then suddenly...

        Suddenly Rove/Plame is on the front page, aflame, right next to the latest DSM developments. (I can dream, can't I?)

        It's CERTAINLY worth a few emails and subscription cancellations, isn't it?

        Give it a try.

        AG

        "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

        by Arthur Gilroy on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 08:25:09 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Profits Are All That Matter to a Business (none)
          If you think you're going to change a business' behavior without threatening their profits, I've got a bridge to sell you.

          So, if you admit that it won't threaten their financial bottom line, you're admitting it's a futile effort.

          That being the case, there are about a million and one more effective things for people to spend their time on.

          •  And why are you wasting (2.33)
            YOUR time here, again?

            AG

            "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

            by Arthur Gilroy on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 10:20:46 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  If You Were the Only Person... (4.00)
              ...on this thread it would be a waste of time.  But--NEWSFLASH TO ARTHUR--you're not the only person here.

              Other people are more open to dialogue and argumentation, and it's for them I've written my comments.  

              •  No. (2.80)
                I do not believe that. Too MANY comments, too much time put into it, too much apparent communication among a small cadre of snipers.

                I think that what I am saying actually threatens your own plans and/or beliefs, whatever they may truly be.

                I think that you target people and lean on them.

                And I think that posting snarky shit and red herring arguments is a TOOL that you and whatever other people are your allies use to disperse the focus of a thread that you consider "unacceptable". I think you know EXACTLY what you are doing and how you are going about it.

                And I do not care.

                Won't push me an INCH.

                Keep trying, however.

                When you're busy here, you're out of mischief range somewhere else.

                AG

                "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

                by Arthur Gilroy on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 11:11:03 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  You're Timing is Impecible (none)
                  Something I had just written on another thread before you posted this comment:  

                  The Problem Is... (4.00 / 3)

                  ...when people could simply read what you wrote and engage with your argument, but instead look at what you wrote and trying to intuit who you are as an indication of why you wrote what you wrote.  

                  Of the 55k+ people who've registered at DKos, I've met about a dozen.  I can't [hope] to "really know" what somebody is "really like" by reading their comments on a damn political blog, and neither can anyone else.  This place would function a hell of a lot better if everyone just accepted that fact, and devoted their attention to what somebody wrote intead of why they wrote it.

                  Nice job Arthur, ignore the content of the argument because you don't like the implications, and instead attack the motives of the commenter.  

                  Again, NEWSFLASH: it's not a conspiracy against you.  And you don't have a write to post things in public space and get acquiesence or complete agreement.  

                  •  You're speling is impeachable. (none)
                    What, did you wear out you're spel cheker?

                    So, folks...I have noticed a number of other seem to think that the Designated Hitter in Michigan is as creeper of some sort.

                    At the very LEAST a nasty spirited snipe artist.

                    And he DOES seem to have a cadre of lesser snipes and Snopeses that follow him around.

                    Once I said something regarding him and he snarled back something about how I was "revealing my sources". But I HAD no "sources."

                    Still don't.

                    But now I'm asking for some.

                    Anybody else have repeated beefs with this character?

                    Who are his allies?

                    What is his POINT!!!???

                    And WHAT is his problem?

                    Afraid to answer on the blog? (With good reason, apparently.)

                    Email me.

                    arthurgilroy@earthlink.net.

                    AG

                    "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

                    by Arthur Gilroy on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 04:30:42 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  Ummmm .... (none)
                      He's a former front-page poster, like Armando is now.

                      Highly doubtful Markos would give an infiltrator front-page status for a year.

                      He just calls 'em as he sees 'em. Kinda like ... oh, never mind.

                      Heh.

                      •  History Started Last Week (none)
                        And apparently dear Arthur things I just showed up at Daily Kos on Wednesday.
                      •  I have NO IDEA whether he is (3.00)
                        an infiltrator, a nasty-spirited fool who leads of whole PACK of similar types,  a representative of some sort of neo-leftist  cadre that is intent on focusing left wing efforts in their direction and no other, or some combination of ALL of those things.

                        I DO know that he and his boys and/or girls have written an INORDINATE number of highly critical and often truly nasty posts ands snarks on my diaries.

                        He has said several times...in typically nasty spirited fashion..."It's not all ABOUT, 'you'; Arthur."

                        So if it's not about "me", then what IS it about?

                        If he and his crew do this to a number of posters here...then I guess it's about THEM, right?

                        And if they do NOT...then I guess it damned well IS about me.

                        Just trying to figure out what's up, here.

                        I went  the website they promote... The Next Hurrah...and noticed several familiar names posted as "contributors".

                        DHinMI, DemFromCT, Kagro X, Meteor Blades and Plutonium Page in particular. Addison, who also seems to appear regularly whenever I hear from DHinMI, is NOT listed

                        Then I went to the two diaries I have written that were recommended over the past couple of days. Almost 20% of the comments ( 65 of the 371) were written by DHinMI, Kagro X or Addison, and the percentage would have been much higher if I had not written defenses of my work to counter their actions. Plus I have had some nasty run ins with DemFromCT and some snarky snipes from Plutonium Page as well.

                        Coincidence?

                        I think not.

                        Just a group of allies uniting against someone who displeases them?

                        Possibly.

                        Something deeper?

                        I don't know.

                        Butt I AM going to find out.

                        I went to their website...no discernible content whatsoever, just the usual generic left wing complaining...no solutions, just whines. Coulda been written by a bot.
                        ---

                        Stem Cells Are Back...

                        Since when did the Bush administration care about global warming?

                        Sunday Coffee And The Papers

                        The Next Hurraaaahhhh, forget it. It's an open thread.

                        Polling On The Iraq War...What Does It Mean?

                        Your daily, tasty Hurrapertif (a TNH open thread)

                        Well, that's that, then. O'Connor resigns.

                        What If You Gave A Speech And Nobody Came?

                        Zogby, Rasmussen Sez: What Bounce?

                        The Next Harrumph - a TNH Open Thread
                        ---

                        And I DO have to wonder.

                        Who ARE these people?

                        They show no real passion other than negative emotions.

                        Are they just the empty remnants of the Humpty Hump Humphrey left?

                        The same sold same old left wing losers, jerking each other off and attacking those who do not want to participate in the already discredited circle jerk?

                        Or is it MORE than that?

                        DHinMI PARTICULARLY reminds me of Matt Drudge in the way he runs his game.

                        Someone says something, Drudge comments excitedly and in outrage over his MANNER of saying it.

                        Ditto DHinMI.

                        So once again...I am asking.

                        Are these people merely picking on ME, or is this a general tactic that they use?

                        If it IS just me...fine. Follow the leader and bump out the new boy.

                        Lockstep business as usual in the world. Nothin' new; been dealing with it (quite successfully, I might add) since I was about 10.

                        But if it is MORE (OR less) than that...let's talk to one another.

                        Join forces and resist being bullied.

                        Whaddaya say?

                        Again, if you do not wish to risk bloggish reprisals and downratings...an email at arthurgilroy@earthlink.net will be fine.

                        Let's talk...

                        There's work to be done.

                        AG

                        "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

                        by Arthur Gilroy on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 11:39:48 PM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  Word(s) to the wise (4.00)
                          1. There is no conspiracy here.

                          2. Take on DHinMi, KagroX, Plutonium Page, Addison, if you feel you must. You'll be bloodied, but perhaps not bowed. But I don't even want to see your carcass if you start dissing Meteor Blades in these parts. THAT you will not survive, not because he's vicious, but because the whole community will turn on you. The whole community.
                          •  Had no comments from Meteor Blades, (none)
                            However...his name IS on the DHinMI website.

                            So...is this person God, or what?

                            AG

                            "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

                            by Arthur Gilroy on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 12:29:13 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  nope, just a compadre of DHinMI and me (none)
                            some folks get it, Arthur. You're one who doesn't.

                            Sorry.

                            "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

                            by Greg Dworkin on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 12:14:40 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  You've Made a Valiant Effort (none)
                            But I suspect dear Mr. Gilroy is an obsessive compulsive or something, because he's obviously obsessed with what I think, believes I'm the leader of a conspiracy out to get him, and can not imagine why somebody would honestly not bow at the alter in adoration of his brilliant ideas.  
                        •  I believe I have formed an opinion: (none)
                          You, sir, are a nearly intolerable asshole.  You are one of the few posters on Daily Kos who has ever tempted me to indulge in a frenzy of knee-jerk '0' ratings.

                          Here are but a few examples of the many things you do which grate on my nerves, and judging by ratings and comments, the nerves of a number of others:

                          You belittle respected members of the community without taking the time to investigate why they are respected.

                          You cling to your belief that yours in the One True Way, and insult those who suggest that perhaps a less confusing spelling of your slogan would be helpful.

                          You persist, despite previous public requests, in signing your posts in a manner identical to that of an established member of the community, namely myself.

                          I am perplexed that such a creature as yourself has received positive attention from Kossacks I respect, such as MSOC and SusanG.  I can only wonder if they believe you warrant their respect now, after seeing your true colors in the comments of this Diary, as they did when leaving positive and constructive comments earlier.

                          -AG

                          I'm a pro-gun, pro-nuclear-power Reform Democrat.
                          UUJN: Brother Venerable Katana of Mindful Forgiveness

                          by AlphaGeek on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 01:39:33 AM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                          •  DHinMI (3.00)
                            wrote a TRULY nasty diary called Is Daily Kos Getting Stupid? (A Diary Not About Armando) a month ago, and I called him out on it in a comment that was later posted as a diary...The BIG dKos Disconnect. I found DHinMI's unreal "reality-based" claims to be utterly fallacious, and I told him so.

                            Here is a list of the "reality-based" things he included in that diary, preceded by my call on his act.
                            ---

                            The key phrase in DHinMI's original diary is this one, as far as I am concerned.

                            "I live in the reality-based community."

                            How DARE you???

                            Who are YOU to claim that you live in "THE" one reality?

                            Go on back in history.

                            Do you not think that the exact same sentiment would have been voiced (in other, less contemporarily drivel-based ways) by:

                            The people surrounding Richard Nixon.

                            The people on the Warren Commission.

                            The people who backed Senator Joe McCarthy.

                            The millions of good Germans who thought that Hitler was just trying to right the wrongs done to Germany after WW I.

                            The Americans who supported slavery and genocide in the sincere belief...on the evidence...that they were superior beings.

                            And on back into the mists of time...

                            This statement literally sent CHILLS up my back.

                            "I live in the reality-based community."

                            Just exactly where IS that community, DHinMI?
                            ---
                            And:
                            ---
                            Show me how YOUR "reality" is better than mine.

                            Really.

                            C'mon.

                            You use some "sound reasoning". For the LIFE of me I cannot find one example of ANY kind of reasoning in your original post. Just name calling.

                            "Knee-jerk"

                            "Conspiracy theories"

                            "Paranoia"

                            "Errors, omissions and ridiculous leaps of logic and credulity"

                            "Appalling"

                            "Fraudster element"

                            "Cacophony"

                            "Shoddy thinking, reasoning and presentation of argument"

                            "Half-assed"

                            "True believers who don't think"

                            "Zombie-like"

                            "Bullshit theory"

                            "Handfulls (sic) of shit"

                            And worst of ALL...

                            "Intellectual hygene (sic)"

                            Like "Intellectual cleansing"?

                            Where is the CONTENT, DHinMI?

                            I don't see ANY.

                            PROVE IT!!!

                            You also say:

                            "Examine facts."

                            "Look to see if alternative theories were acknowledge (sic) and possibly dispensed with."

                            "... hold people to higher standards."

                            One of the communications supposedly received from Osama bin Laden over the last several years contained these words. (And no matter WHO wrote them...INCLUDING the CIA... they are powerful.):

                            '"By what measure of kindness are your killed considered innocents while ours are considered worthless? By what school [of thought] is your blood considered blood while our blood is water?"

                            Well, I will paraphrase.

                            By what measure of thought are your values considered valid while ours are considered worthless? By what manner of argument is your thought considered worthwhile while ours is considered foolish?

                            SHOW ME THE BEEF, DHinMI.

                            Show me the beef.

                            I don't think you can.
                            ---

                            Is THIS one of the "respected members of the community" that I am belittling?

                            If it is, then "the community" is ill.

                            And...as far as my using your sig...I don't think ANYONE is going to confuse us there, AlphaGeek.

                            Y'see...you write in big long paragraphs while I write is shorter paragraphs.

                            You are a "pro-gun, pro-nuclear-power Reform Democrat" (Or is that a snark?) while I am a pro-self defense by any means necessary, ANTI-nuclear power Reformed Democrat (although I still have hope for the party) and...

                            Here's the BIG one...

                            YOUR name is AlphaGeek and MY name is Arthur Gilroy.

                            Right there in GREAT BIG RED LETTERS.

                            You seem obsessed with "respect".

                            "...repected members of the community..."

                            "...an established member of the community..."

                            "...Kossacks I respect..."

                            "...I can only wonder if they believe you warrant their respect..."

                            Well respect THIS, AlphaGeek.

                            There are "communities" where George W BUTCH has respect.

                            HUGE ones.

                            I "respect" those who earn my respect. Not by seniority or status but by their words and actions. No...that's not quite true. I start OUT respecting everyone. People have to earn my disrespect.

                            Which these people have done quite well.

                            So zero away.

                            Troll rating is the way cowards and fools argue on this blog.

                            Luckily there is a large enough TRULY "reality-based" group here to counter that sort of infantile foolishness.

                            Zero away, AlphaGeek.

                            "Zero" is the essence of impotence.

                            AG

                            "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

                            by Arthur Gilroy on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 06:11:45 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  You Need Help Arthur (4.00)
                            Really, get a fucking hobby or something.  

                            I really need to figure out how to personally profit from people who obsess about me on Daily Kos...

                          •  Awww c'mon, DH... (none)
                            You DO profit from it.

                            You get OFF on it.

                            Troll endorphins.

                            Nice.

                            If you did NOT get off behind it...you wouldn't DO it.

                            AG

                            "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

                            by Arthur Gilroy on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 07:25:30 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Nope, I Just Care About DKos (none)
                            And I hate to see a site where there used to be great conversation and amazing writing drop in quality so low that nasty, paranoid, narcissistic babbling like yours is rewarded.

                            And the fact that you think we're trolls shows how full of shit you really are, because apparently you don't realize that the people who wrote on the front page at Daily Kos through most of 2003 and almost all of 2004 were RonK, Seattle, Me, Meteor Blades, DemFromCT, and Trapper John.  

                            In short, you sir, are full of shit.

                          •  actually (none)
                            I see no change in the quality of writing here. Its about the same: 98% repetitive garbage (and you say I am obsessed with a single issue!)and 2% inspiration.

                            Hey, I have an idea, why dont you start your own blog to feature all the supposedly great writing that you miss.

                            Oh wait, you have started it....whgats it called again?

                          •  It's called (none)
                            The Last Harrumph or something like that, isn't it?

                            And it is SO boring and predictable that my computer automatically goes into sleep mode every time I try to access it.

                            Amazing, actually...

                            AG

                            "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

                            by Arthur Gilroy on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 09:27:06 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  As opposed (none)
                            to incoherent, idiotic and just plain moronic like your's? I will give you one thing. You make my 6 year old nephew look positively brilliant by comparrison.
                          •  all the great writing (none)
                            by "me," among others? Who is narcissistic? and overly nostalgic for the good ol days of 03-04?

                            Good old days of losing an election that we should have won?

                            Loser.

                          •  You're Embarassing Yourself (none)
                            Turn off your computer.
                        •  Sir, you flatter yourself. (none)
                          You have written a total of 49 diaries. I have commented in a grand total of four of them.

                          Let's face facts: You're not at the center of any great conspiracy. You're not at the center of anything.

                        •  well, since I'm hardly the most aggressive poster (3.00)
                          in the blogosphere, the problem must be with you.


                          Join forces and resist being bullied.

                          Whaddaya say?

                          Again, if you do not wish to risk bloggish reprisals and downratings...an email at arthurgilroy@earthlink.net will be fine.

                          Let's talk...

                          There's work to be done.

                          You're not that important. Why would anyone bother with you regarding bloggish reprisals?

                          You're just another narcissistic punk who thinks the universe revolves around them and isn't happy unless you're stirring up trouble. Your only problem with me is that I called you on it as soon as you got here. And you've shown today (yet again) I wasn't wrong.

                          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

                          by Greg Dworkin on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 01:16:47 PM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

            •  Calm down. (4.00)
              It's OK for him to disagree.

              Maybe you should start a website targeting subscriber boycotts and he should start one targeting advertisers. Maybe then we'll see whose idea is more effective. Or hopefully, both will be effective.

              I can see both your point and his. Advertiser boycotts are effective for the reasons he stated. But subscriber boycotts are effective too, because advertisers look at circulation numbers when deciding who to advertise with. I know, because I sell ads myself for my dad's newspaper.

              There's no point in judging his motives just because you disagree with him. I have had my disagreements with him, but we have always done so without being disagreeable.

  •  Cancellation (none)
    You have to be subscribed to something in order to cancel.

    My newsstrike happened during the 2004 campaign.  Nothing left to cancel now but National Geographic and Scientific American.

    The revolution starts now--in your own back yard, in your own home town

    by TarheelDem on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 08:09:51 AM PDT

    •  Once again... (none)
      I refer you to my comment above titled "And then someone commented".

      Target the networks.

      AG

      "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

      by Arthur Gilroy on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 08:13:25 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  My point (none)
        A lot of us have already canceled our subscriptions, our cable contracts, and rarely watch network TV (and how do you cancel network TV anyway?).  That is why we get our news and views online from a diverse variety of sources (generally ignoring the US media establishment).  My comments about magazines could easily be extended to all of the established media.

        So far, the only successful campaign against/for the media that we have had so far is the Downing Street Memo campaign.  And it was focused on one clearly identified reliable source of information, and involved a massive and sustained contact campaign.  And we still are not done there.

        A lot of the call for strikes founders on the issue that Douglas Adams raised in his Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy series.  Trying to start a philosophers strike, the organizer is met with the question, "And who would that inconvenience?"

        The revolution starts now--in your own back yard, in your own home town

        by TarheelDem on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 08:58:22 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Well, ONE way you cancel (none)
          network TV is to write them and TELL them that you are no longer going to either watch their shit or buy the products that support that shit until they STOP with that shit.

          Roughly speaking.

          And My OWN take on the "inconvenience" thing is the old joke about the young boy who confessed to his priest that he had been jerking off. And the priest said that he'd go blind if he did that and should stop immediately.

          The boy's answer?

          "Can't I just keep it up 'til I need glasses?"

          That's what I am hearing from a lot of people on this blog.

          AG

          "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

          by Arthur Gilroy on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 10:34:07 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Good point (none)
            Yes, bad habits are hard to break.  LOL

            I actually think the idea of rescuing publications that are being hammered by the wingnuts was the best of the ideas in this thread.  Reward the publications that publish the truth and the media that broadcast the truth.  And recommend that you friends do likewise.  A dramatic success of a publication or network often gets attention because they are a potential strong competitor.

            If there are so many of us in the 59 million that voted for Kerry, then we should be able to move a sizeable market share.

            The revolution starts now--in your own back yard, in your own home town

            by TarheelDem on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 10:48:42 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

  •  YES!!! (none)
    Recommended.

    Thank you.

    Now...let's DO it.

    AG

    "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

    by Arthur Gilroy on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 08:12:00 AM PDT

  •  Disagree (4.00)
    That cancellation should be based on political concerns.

    If they suck, as most do, that's reason enough.

    Do NOT cancel for the OPINIONS of the paper, i.e. - WaPo, because they do a decent job on the news side.

    So, I dissent from this diary.

    The SCOTUS is Extraordinary.

    by Armando on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 08:16:15 AM PDT

    •  Obviously... (3.50)
      ...you don't understand.  You don't get the poetry.  The "we are the world" empowerment.  The lack of paragraphs...
    •  Information IS politics. And opinion too. (none)
      If WAPO or any OTHER news outlet does not adequately cover...and I mean adequately, not just some half-assed sop to the left...the various depredations of this administration, then that is POLITICS.

      It is POLITICAL.

      If it is the decision...the opinion, if you will...of various editors and producers to gloss over the DSM, to not cover Galloway's testimony in the Senate in detail or John Conyers' various attempts to focus national attention on vote fraud or the DSM/WMD/Plame/neo-con nexus of lies that got us INTO this goddamned mess in the first place, then it is their coverage of NEWS that is lacking.

      Where "opinion" ends and "news": begins eludes me. If ALL the news is not covered equally, then what is covered, no matter how "factually" it may be presented, is EDITORIAL in nature.

      The aim of a strike or boycott in this jnstance is to apply a modicum of  financial pressure on the system, and to let it know that the left has HUGE financial power that could quite conceivably filter out beyond the blogs and right into the Democratic mainstream.

      How many people voted Democratic again in 2004? 59,028,109?

      And what was the estimated demographic of that 59 million people compared to the 62 million who voted Ratpub? Hard to find, hard to prove, but I'll BETCHA any ad agency in the country handling high end, preferred demographic stuff would take the 59 mil over the 62 mil in a NY second if forced to make a choice.

      My point?

      HEAVY DUTY economic smack if harnessed.

      Frankly, I don't give a rat's ass "why" people go on newstrike as long as the MEDIA understands that it is about full coverage of the news rather than the rightward bias that is so plainly in place now.

      And I want it to HAPPEN.

      Yesterday, if possible.

      Tomorrow...for sure.

      Later...

      AG

      "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

      by Arthur Gilroy on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 08:53:07 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  I agree (none)
      Diarist is asking us to put our collective heads into the sand. This isn't the way to do things and achieve your goals. Learn from the DSM people, put constructive pressure on the press. Most of them are good people.

      PS- Last statement may or may not apply to Washington Post editorial board.

  •  No reason not to try it, but let's be clear. (4.00)
    Digby didn't say that, "cancelled subscriptions are unnerving the publisher." He says in an update that a commenter says that. Now, that in itself isn't cause for alarm, but you should take a look at how that commenter actually couches his claim:

    I hear via the grapevine that Hugh and Assrocket et.al don't bother the editorial page folks, but the cancellations have seriously unnerved the publisher, who ultimately calls the tune.

    That's a lot differnet from a flat (and presumably provable) assertion that the publisher is, in fact, unnerved.

    It certainly could be true. But we don't really know from this source whether or not it is.

    The general idea of a boycott is certainly not a new one, in the sense that it's been used effectively in the past. So it stands to reason that it could possibly be effective again. But to know what kind of results it's capable of delivering, you're going to want to start with a reality-based benchmark.

    Unfortunately, the claim that "1000 cancelled subscription rocked a newspaper with a circulation of 907,997" is similarly unfounded. The E&P article cited does not say that. It does say that there were 1,000 cancelled subscriptions, but it doesn't hint anywhere in the article that anyone was "rocked," or had any similar reaction.

    I bring this up only because the premise of this particular incarnation of the Newstrike idea is that 1,000 Kossacks can be found who will be willing to cancel their subscriptions, and that that number can have a significant impact on the targeted news outlets. But the basis for that conclusion doesn't actually exist in the way it's claimed.

    That's not to say that you can't or won't have an impact. Just that the certainty with which that conclusion is portrayed isn't supported by the citations offered.

    It's probably also worth noting that our frustration with the media's inability to process the available facts and produce correct analyses of them is going to be undermined somewhat, if we're not demonstrably better at it.

    I think that's a truism we should be considering. Why I bother to say so out loud, I'm not nearly as sure.

    •  Kagro (none)
      Them's...

      you're going to want to start with a reality-based benchmark

      ...fightin' words!

      •  A tag team match. (none)
        Nice!!!

        The Last Hurrah Brothers.

        Aunt Bea and Uncle X,

        Welcome in.

        AG

        "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

        by Arthur Gilroy on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 11:13:24 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  From the original diary here. (none)
      "Cancelled subscriptions are unnerving the publisher." Attributed to Digby (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/7/3/31154/61367) If he changed his story,,,so be it.

      You are right about the E&P thing. It does NOT state that the Times was "rocked" by 1000 cancellations. But I WILL bet you that WAPO or any other paper would be "rocked" if on one day...tomorrow, July 4th would be perfect, but ANY day would do...1000 subscriptions were cancelled for the reasons I have put forth. I don't know if we have the time to put that sort of effort together, and I certainly do not think that there are 1000 of the 50,000 kossacks who both have a WAPO subscription and are up for this.

      But there ARE other blogs.

      Lots of them.

      And there are other MEANS as well.

      How many signatures did Rep. Conyers get on his letter last month regarding the DSM? 560,000? (http://www.johnconyers.com/)

      HMMM...

      That's a lot of people.

      I wonder how many of THEM might be subscribed to the four print media I mentioned and would be willing to cancel subscriptions.

      I'm sure Mr. Conyers' office has all those email addresses.

      And HOW many people voted for Small K kerry in 2004?

      59 million!!!???

      DOUBLE "Hmmmmm" CUBED!!!

      How many of THEM would be willing to take part in a Cancellation Tuesday somewhere down the line. IF of course the Party had the courage to back such an effort.

      You see where I'm going with this, right?

      ECONOMIC POWER.

      We have it.

      Let's USE it.

      Any and all ideas welcomed.

      AG

      "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

      by Arthur Gilroy on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 09:23:45 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Digby didn't change his story. (none)
        The guy who wrote the diary you reference didn't sort things out correctly.

        Digby never mentioned it, except by way of updating his story to say that a commenter had made this claim.

      •  Sorry (4.00)
        I know this seems like a minor, nitpicky quibble in the grand scheme of what you're proposing, but:

        Circulation departments are closed on national holidays, at least for routine subscription cancellations (there usually is a number you can call if your paper didn't end up in your driveway Christmas morning, but the people who answer it -- in my experience -- don't do the office stuff. They just contact the carrier to get them go deliver the paper and tell subscribers to call back the next day if it's about the economics of the account).

        Also ... if you are wed to trying the subscription cancellation process on ONE day for impact, I'd respectfully suggest planning it and getting the word out for months beforehand if you really want maximum impact. To put up a diary one day before trying to organize a massive cancellation campaign seems like ... maybe not the best way to get the most participation in your campaign.

        •  Thank you. (none)
          I know.

          It was foolish.

          I am a jazz musician.

          An improviser at heart.

          But I am ALSO a composer and orchestrator. I'll try to get things more pulled together and get back on it.

          This was just a demo.

          We'll fix it in the mix.

          AG

          "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

          by Arthur Gilroy on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 10:37:55 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  Great idea! (none)
    With more of us receiving our news online, newspapers are clearly worried about their future.  But then - Bushies are also receiving their news online.  If it's a left site/paper it can't be "right" - and so the rightwing propaganda continues to successfully steer the right away from Truth by claiming MSM is liberal while steering them to Fox.  Gotta keep the confusion rampant!!
    After WaPo's scathing article about Conyer's DSM "hearing", a Kossack, neversurrender, posted a diary here with their advertisers and suggested boycotting WaPo.  The boycotting was ridiculed by biggie Kossacks as a waste of time.

    But when we have to BEG the presstitutes to report the DSM when they had absolutely no problem during the 90s reporting every hint and speculation of impropriety --I say any amount of boycotting or unsubscribing is fair game!!
    And don't forget to thank the papers and reporters who ARE reporting the Facts and Truth.

    •  "Biggie KOSSACKS" (none)
      are apparently a waste of time, if that is their position.

      I am beginning to wonder of some if the people who founded this thing aren't beginning to wonder if they've got a Frankenstein monster on their hands.

      Going places that they did not intend it to go.

      Clomp clomp clomp.

      AG

      "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

      by Arthur Gilroy on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 09:27:55 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I only (none)
    subscribe to the Boston Globe and Newsweek, besides local newspapers.  I think the Globe has been pretty good talking about Bush's shortcomings and they endorsed Kerry.  And Newsweek is one of the more liberal mags, although not as liberal as before. Some of their stories don't show as much courage as they used to and it seems like they try to appease the right wing too often.  If they don't come up with the cover story of "It's Rove", then I will cancell my subscription.
  •  This Fourth of July do NOT burn the flag (4.00)
    Free Image Hosting at www.ImageShack.us
  •  I totally applaud your efforts, BUT... (none)
    "Cancelled subscriptions" is a red herring. It's a trumped up excuse that allows conservative publishers and editors cover when they attempt to explain why they are dancing to the administrations tune.

    Can we get their attention with a barrage of ACTUAL threats to cancel subscriptions. I would say, yes. But, as your LA Times figures show, they are cravenly hiding behind a rather pathetic excuse, in order to continue a country club mentality regarding the connection between politicians and editors and publishers, and to a lesser extent, individual reporters.

  •  well, at least you're not dissing people (4.00)
    as much as you used to, in the days when you were among those many here suggesting that trying to incite news coverage of the DSM was stupid and a waste of time. So, that's a step forward.

    But the other thing that bugs me about your campaign is that the idea of a "News Strike" -- when BY FAR the most of us here get all the news we read or watch for FREE !!!! -- is just dumb.

    I mean, sorry, but I've seen no evidence at all to suggest that Kossacks subscribe to newspapers or newsmagazines in any greater numbers than most Americans do. and most Americans don't.

    And if they do, it's to their local paper not the Washington Post, and thus your logic of a nat'l strike is dumb there, too.

    congrats on the recommended diaries, Arthur, and keep up your enthusiasm, but really -- considering that most all of us are getting our addictive Kossack news jones and some of us are making our reputations and making $$$ off discussing news that others -- not us -- are paying reporters and editors and typesetters to gather and write and produce -- and that we haven't paid one penny for -- well, it's just a little embarassing, I think, from my pro-labor perspective, that you're using the word "strike."

    •  Good Point About... (none)
      ...the presumptuousness of using the word "strike."  
    •  I agree (4.00)
      there's a lot of bandwidth being spent in here, and a lot of pimping for "recommends," when there frankly doesn't appear to be any meat behind this idea.  There's a logo, though, a lot of cheerleading, and a lot of typing with a lot of carriage returns.  Not to mention several links to other equally verbose and rambling diaries by the author.

      There are somewhere near 60,000 Kossacs here.  They are spread around the globe.  To think that any of us are concentrated enough as subscribers to any one publication is, in my humble opinion, a little egocentric.

      I appreciate calls to action, and I think AG is on to something but needs to refine and focus the idea.  There are a couple of good suggestions in the comments, and I hope that he can pull it together and wish him luck.  I like his energy.

      Say, how do I get me wunna them cool blogger nics?

      by Bob on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 09:31:32 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Aspartame (none)
        Yeah. Here's the diary:

        "Cancel your subscriptions to periodicals. Why? Because, it's activism!"

        Aesthetically

        of

        course

        you

        can't

        reproduce

        it

        exactly.

        But it seems like sort of a weird and overly broad thing to do considering Time just handed over the Cooper documents, the WaPo is just starting to report on the DSM, the New York Times is publishing stories critical of the war from the troops, and Newsweek just posted their story on Rove's leaking in the Plame case.

        Mixed messages anyone?

        It seems like Arthur Gilroy has the worst timing ever, and if I wasn't completely assured that this idea has come and gone in the past with absolutely no effect -- that it 's merely a superficial rah-rah thing for bored and frustrated folks to yell about -- I might be more vocal about how awful an idea this is right now. This is like waiting until Dean became chair and then quitting the Democratic party because they're corporately owned.  

        Beware the Cult of Chicken Little!

        by Addison on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 09:39:39 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Why thank you so much for noticing, Jennifer. (none)
      I gave up dissing for Christmas. YOU know...Santa and all that?

      But I'm "dumb".

      So...out of 50,000+ people here, no one has a subscription to any of the four press outlets I mentioned?

      And no one watches any TV news?

      And no one would be willing to CONTACT the news networks and SAY that they are not going to watch their tripe anymore until they begin to cover ALL the news...even if it was a teeny little lie and they are ALREADY perfectly media pure and/or only PEEK a little once in a while...???

      Yup...dumb of me.

      Thanks again.

      AG

      P.S. Do you remember the story about the young boy who confessed to his priest that he had been jerking off? And the priest said that he'd go blind if he did that and should stop iimmediately?

      Remember the boy's answer?

      "Can't I just keep it up until I need glasses?"

      That's what I am hearing from a lot of people on this blog.

      Now you have already established that I am dumb, so...feel free to ignore this postcript.

      Bye now...

      "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

      by Arthur Gilroy on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 09:41:28 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Acceptable newssources? (none)
        Well, most everyone who's susceptible to being commanded to cancel their print subscriptions because of ideological differences has already done so long ago. There are only a few dozen people left to tap for the autocensorship crusade.

        And the TV media doesn't care when people call in and say they're not going to watch if their ratings stay steady. So, unless you're talking about Nielsen families, less viewers don't cost them a dime.

        Just to make this a positive diary maybe you should put in acceptable news sources as alternatives to Time, Newsweek, WaPo, and the NYT? People aren't going to cancel their only print newssource without a replacement lined up.

        What's a good, fair, and comprehensive paper?

        What's a good, fair, and comprehensive magazine?

        Beware the Cult of Chicken Little!

        by Addison on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 09:50:17 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  arthur, I was giving you your own back, (none)
        you have in fact been rather intemperate yourself -- but I shouldn't have said it twice, you're right.

        I don't think you're dumb, I didn't say you're dumb -- I'm certainly not dumb, but I've sure had dumb ideas before.

        "refine and focus" -- that's the best advice you've been given in this little piece of the thread.

        putting your money where your mouth is is important, media activism is important, supporting alternative media is important -- I've done it all my life, worked for independent newspapers for years and will again, and I've given $$ and support to various independent media for decades. so you can't put my criticism down to not caring, sorry.

  •  I Would Love to Cancel NYT, Time, and WaPo (none)
    But those useless publications haven't received a cent from me since 2001. If I ever read Time it's just to make sure it still sucks, and it's in the doctor's office.

    Now if The Nation, Harpers, or the Atlantic screw up, count me in for the boycott.

    Fox News is a propaganda outlet of the Republican Party - DNC Chair Howard Dean

    by easong on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 08:41:36 AM PDT

  •  Don't just limit this idea to Kos... (none)
    take it to Democratic Underground and other influential blogs as well.

    Vyan

  •  How about more LTE's to convey our message? (none)
    The Thursday after the National Election I opened up my Chattanooga Times Free Press and read:  

    FOUR MORE YEARS!!!  

    I felt like vomiting, truly I was sick.  I called up the CTFP and told them  to cancell my subscription and added I have been a subscriber since I moved to TN 14 years ago.  Also, added that I could not understand how their paper and other papers love Bush so much- a guy who does not even read Newspapers.  What is their logic?  

    Two weeks later, a guy from the left side (liberal side or Chattanooga Times side) called me up and we talked at length and I decided to resubscribe again.  

    Some of my friends write regularly to the LTE's, there  are more anti-Bush, anti-war, anti-Republican letters than I can ever recall.  I believe this is having a slight effect upon our paper.  The left side of the paper and the comics keep the blue people together as a community in a red state.  So I am going to keep my subscription to our local paper for a little while longer, but...

    One month ago, I cancelled the NYT which I had delivered to our door for the last two years (they just started this in Chattanooga two years ago).  I told the lady on the phone to tell the NYT I cancelled because of three letters: DSM.  

    Our poor paper guy, having to keep up with my anger at the Newspaper is probably driving him crazy.  Oh well, I will give him a little more this Christmas.  

    P.S.  I like the idea of targeting the advertisers but where do I start?  Car dealers and furniture stores are high ticket items that are easy to boycott until one needs a new car or bed.  How should I proceed with this?

    •  Buy a used car. (none)
      Keep your OLD car running.

      About the bed...I'm not going there.

      YOU can figure these things out.

      Buy generic.

      Buy from smaller, local merchants.

      If it's nationally advertised...it's probably bad anyway. Or at LEAST it has a jacked-up price to pay for the advertising.

      And TELL THEM ABOUT IT.

      AG

      "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

      by Arthur Gilroy on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 09:45:57 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  This diaries (none)
    right on in a very simple way. How many people here sit and watch O'Rielly at night? Everyone knows he distorts the truth and flat out lies. When the media distort the truth by lack of coverage whats the difference? PBS is in the same boat. Moyer's did coverage that was very balanced and he chose topics over a wide spectrum, they called it liberal, spied on him and yet it somehow becomes commonplace to call PBS liberal. Huh! I don't watch most of the cabal news channels simply because they're fuckin with me. Non-stop coverage in Aruba! Breaking news of Jackson going to the hospital! This is really a sick decline in what they consider newsworthy and who they consider they're audience. I have no idea whether my lack of dollars or dial change promotes activism for change. I almost don't care. There's a brain inside my head that's screaming "Bullshit" your funcking with me and I'm outa here.
    When I found out that my neighbors Goodyear store donates large sums to the Repubs I stopped going there. They lost an annual sum of less that a 100.00. Big deal. But I feel better about my conscience. So you could have fifty arguements about numbers, effect, or even that you don't subscribe to any of them but when you just withdraw your participation from anything you're aware that hurts you it's gotta be a good thing.
    When I realized that so many insiders knew about Rove I had a "no duh" moment. They are very aware of the outside spin to control the inside spin. And they fully participate. I deal with them by removing myself from the conversation. Letters, emails, protests, etc., are the other ways I can fight back and do. But as far as supporting them, I can't.
  •  Huh? (none)
    Yes. Cancel your subscription to the only magazine so far to report on the now "proven" Rove connection to Plame gate. That'll show em.

    Beware the Cult of Chicken Little!

    by Addison on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 09:30:36 AM PDT

    •  YEAH, THAT'LL SHOW 'EM! (none)
      Wait...oh, you're being ironic.

      nevermind...

    •  I'm still waiting... (none)
      My bet...

      Like every other damned thing in that mag...Newsweak, I call it...the Rove thing will be dulled down.

      They lost MY vote when they backed down about the Koran thing.

      (That's a lie...they lost my vote WAY before that. BUT...they ;ost it again w/the Koran apology/retraction/surrender.)

      AG

      "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

      by Arthur Gilroy on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 09:50:41 AM PDT

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      •  Well (none)
        Yeah, the Rove thing was watered down. But I don't see Atlantic with an article out about it right now. I don't see Harper's or The Nation with one. We've got to have hand in the hog trough of MSM -- as disgusting as it seems sometimes -- to utilize it's mass distribution.

        Beware the Cult of Chicken Little!

        by Addison on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 09:54:47 AM PDT

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        •  To tell you the truth... (none)
          I don't have much use for Atlantic or Harper's or The Nation either.

          An hour on the internet is worth more than ANY one magazine of newspaper.

          AND..."the Rove thing was watered down?"

          You mean in Newsweek? You've seen it?  Where?

          AG

          "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

          by Arthur Gilroy on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 10:48:54 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Here (none)
            Here.

            Beware the Cult of Chicken Little!

            by Addison on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 11:09:01 AM PDT

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            •  Thank you. (none)
              How disappointing.

              How...normal.

              No headline like "Rove's the One!!!"

              A picture of him that makes him look almost...human.

              All sides of the story, all dumbed down for popular consumption and safe passage through waters in which they were wrecked just a short time ago by actually publishing the truth of the matter in the Koran story.

              So..neutral.

              So...centrist.

              So...safe.

              So it goes.

              AG

              "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

              by Arthur Gilroy on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 11:22:28 AM PDT

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              •  Yeah (none)
                As I said, it's sort of a glossover of the story.

                The problem with those newssources is that they're trying to tell ALL the news. So it's just this superficial gloss on the facts. Sometimes that veneer treatment goes our way, sometimes it doesn't. But it's always bad journalism and highlights incompetence.

                My problem with internet only newsgathering is that it's almost inevitably biased and occasionally just as superficial as the MSM. Daily Kos is biased. Red State is biased. The internet is often just a mill of echo chamber magnification of a few facts or quotes.

                What news agencies need to do is stop trying to cover EVERYTHING -- stop covering "Iraq" -- and start narrowing the focus of their reports. They need to have on the ground reporters to gather actual stories instead of innuendo (AKA stop relying on AP or Reuters for everything). They need to give us everything there is to know about Tikrit's water situation and stop trying to tell us about the success/failure of Iraq in a 1500 page report.

                Beware the Cult of Chicken Little!

                by Addison on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 11:26:39 AM PDT

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                •  Thank you!!!! (none)
                  It's called liberal to tell us how the hospitals are running, what schools are open, the water, the electricity, are our men fully armored, are the vehicles fully armored, do they get the best care when they come home. It's considered liberal when we notice the various factions fighting with one another, when ammo dumps are left unattended, when the green zone seems to be a better investment than the rest of the country. But seldom are these media sources following up on the lead, they don't dig into where the investments are going, give us a report card on the major contractors spending our dollars on "what". We don't get an honest debate on going to war, on being in war and on ending the war. This isn't news its filtered koolaid.
  •  I cancelled Time Magazine (none)
    when I saw Ann Coulter on the front. I subscribed to Newsweek when Scotty was blasting them. And I told them if I see them changing courses, I would unsubscribed. They sent me a very nice e-mail replying to my concerns. I know, what is a nice e-mail when I really only want to hear my side of the story, but I appreciated that small effort.

    The only other mags I take are This Old House ($9 a year) and The Nation.  

    But I have a question. In the subscription numbers that are offered to advertisers, do they include the on-line numbers also? Since Kos allows us to use one name if we choose to certain sites, would 50k Kossacks be counted as one vs our own individual on- line subscription?  Maybe that is another way of sending a message since so many of us get our news that way and it is the future. And the future is now.

    I do prefer the bombarded targeted issue better than the whole just cancel because we are mad even if I just went and did that. I mean, if you are a Publisher, which would you prefer to deal with? 50k mad Kossacks calling and writing them or 1k cancelled subscriptions? I hate cutting off my nose to spite my face. I usually look back and say, "Well that was stupid, now I am not getting to read the writers that I do appreciate. Same in the NY Times".

    BTW, I know you did not like the comment pointing out the misspell, and I did not even notice it, but maybe you should change the banner to read "New$Strike". Just a thought. It is your diary.

     

    Fix the Problems, Don't create new ones

    by BarnBabe on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 09:44:14 AM PDT

    •  "New$Strike" (none)
      That's a nice one too.

      To tell you the truth, the uncertainty principle... News Strike and/or New Strike...is what impelled me to do it the way that I did.

      AG

      "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

      by Arthur Gilroy on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 09:55:04 AM PDT

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  •  Wrong Target (none)
    Newstrike

    Wrong!

    Boycott Fox News! Remove Fox News channel from your TV channel listings. Then the ratings for Fox News channel goes down and their value to advertisers.

    Why remove the Fox News channel? Then they don't get to count your skipping over the channel as a viewer of the program as you click past the channel.

    Boycott their advertisers. Half the country the country dropping Fox News channel will give them a wait up call.

    •  AG...Easy here has an idea (none)
      Focused and to the point.

      Find out who the advertisers are for Fox, and go after them (or someone), not every paper everywhere.

      Refine and focus, and you've got something.

      Say, how do I get me wunna them cool blogger nics?

      by Bob on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 10:20:12 AM PDT

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  •  TIME's NUMBER ARE PHONEY (none)
    fuggettabout newstriking TIME...their subscription numbers are phoney...

    a number of years ago AOL was hit with a class action lawsuit...dont remember the details but it was about overcharging or something...tens of thousands of AOL members joined the class action and nothing was ever heard about the outcome...

    then one day we started receiving TIME MAG at our house...we hadnt subscribed and thought it was a promotion deal...when we received a second issue of time we asked family members if they had sent us a subscription as a gift...no one had...so when a 3rd issue came in the mail i called TIME to ask about it and they told me that i was the happy recipient of a lifetime subscription as my part of the AOL/TIME WARNER class action settlement.

    so now tens of thousands of AOL members get Time for free and are counted as 'subscribers'

    I have tried to cancel my time subscription (in protest) at least 3 times but the mag just keeps showing up in our mailbox.

    i wonder how many other magazines fudge their subscription numbers like time does?

    "Not even Revelations threatens a plague of vengeful yahoos." H. S. Thompson

    by KnotIookin on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 10:21:27 AM PDT

    •  BUT ... (none)
      they're required to separate out gratis copies from paid copies in legal reports.

      "Paid subscribers" is the magic number advertisers look for. "Circulation" is meaningless, as is copies printed.

      So don't feel bad ... you're probably not pumping up any meaningful numbers that Madison Avenue would glom onto for ad placement purposes.

      •  pumpin up the numbers... (none)
        i think Time gets around the 'separation' by 'cooking' their own books...aol was supposed to offer monetary compensation to members of the class action lawsuit...maybe they did but hardly anyone actually got notified...they could easily move that monetary compensation to a 'paid subscription' line in their TIME MAG annual report...fudging financial reports by creatively moving money from one area to th other is not uncommon...and once the paid multi year subscription was added to the round up...unless it appears as a cancellation it remains in the 'paid subscriber" count.

        i found it impossible to cancel that subscription

        "Not even Revelations threatens a plague of vengeful yahoos." H. S. Thompson

        by KnotIookin on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 03:07:01 AM PDT

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  •  newstrike? (none)
    I'd have to be a subscriber in order for me to make a difference, and the only media I subscribe to does a good job, and that's why I subscribe.  

    As I suggested in one of your other diaries I think a general strike would be a better idea.  All of us walking off our jobs will make everyone stand up and wonder what is going on.  

    A general strike will show the seriousness of the situation, a general strike will get national and local coverage, a general strike is hard work, and is not simple, which means it will make a difference.  

    absolute freedom for one individual undoubtedly limit's the freedom of another.

    by jbou on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 10:22:07 AM PDT

    •  A general strike!!!??? (none)
      Hell...i can't even get so-called progressives to cancel their  Washingtoon POST subscriptions.

      Ain't gonna happen.

      Nice thought, though...

      AG

      "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

      by Arthur Gilroy on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 10:51:53 AM PDT

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  •  First things first... (none)
    Add a poll to this diary. List newspapers and newsmagazines by circulation numbers - and get a sense from fellow Kossaks as to which are subscribed to by kossaks and which, of those, is most worth of a cancelled subscription campaign.

    PETRUK

    "Doing the world a favor since 1963."

    by Petruk on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 10:28:18 AM PDT

    •  I'm allergic to polls. (none)
      But I'll consider it.

      Too late for this time around, I think.

      I'll be on this idea some more...

      Thanks.

      AG

      "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

      by Arthur Gilroy on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 10:53:18 AM PDT

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  •  did it after the election (none)
    I don't subscribe to any mainstream media to be able to cancel any subscriptions.  I cancelled or let subcriptions expire after the 2004 election because I just didn't want to see anything more printed about Bush or his foolish war.

    The same pretty much went for mainstream television news media.  I refuse to give them the ratings.  I have a DVR and make a point to keep it tuned to C-SPAN when the TV goes off so the last channel viewed doesn't get a ratings credit from this household.  Only occasionally do I tune in if I get wind of some BIG story.

    I'm a blue drop in a red bucket.

    by blue drop on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 10:46:36 AM PDT

  •  Need an organized campaign, talk to advertisers (none)
    I cancelled my subscription of Time Magazine on the day they made Bush "Man of the year 2005" [Bleargh, yuck, spit, spit!]. And I told them why.

    Their reaction ? Not a peep

    Methinks that 1,000 cancelled subscriptions individually don't scare the publishers. But 1,000 cancellations coming from an organized movement to punish a paper / magazine will scare them. Particularly if we target the advertisers, like we did with Sinclair.

    Angry subscribers are easy to sweep under the carpet. An organized nationwide (statewide) movement isn't.

    When morality is only about sex, no aspect of war - even the killing of entire families - can arouse criticism, much less condemnation.

    by lawnorder on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 10:53:03 AM PDT

  •  Why we need the local media (none)
    The Star Tribune episode reminded me of this one, right before the election, also a sign of courage and good journalism from the Twin Cities:

    How KSTP Decided to Roll The April 18th Tape

    That was Tuesday night, one week before Election Day. The KSTP tape was proof that the explosives were still at Al QaQaa after the war began -- and it showed two American soldiers looking over the material and leaving it apparently unsecured... according to KSTP general manager & owner Ron Hubbard, there was never any consideration of suppressing the story -- despite his family's widely-known conservative politics and record of campaign contributions to Republican politicians



    As someone commented above, the GOP is trying to make the Strib case an example: Say the truth and you loose. Let's make the opposite come true: Say the truth and you win!

    .

    Subscribe for digital copies here

    When morality is only about sex, no aspect of war - even the killing of entire families - can arouse criticism, much less condemnation.

    by lawnorder on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 11:01:13 AM PDT

  •  "1000 cancelled subscriptions"? (none)
    So, they want to play hardball, eh?

    I propose that, in addition to ditching uesless wastes of paper, people who can ought to subscribe to the Star Tribune and tell them why. It's a good paper, anyway. Not as big as the NYT or what have you, but it's a window into the Midwest at least.

    The Shapeshifter's Blog -- Politics, Philosophy, and Madness!

    by Shapeshifter on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 11:01:30 AM PDT

  •  Over the past 5 years (none)
    I've cancelled a number of subscriptions with pithy notes about the radical right drift discerned.  What I haven't done is to replace those subscriptions with publications who are dependably truthful and courageous.
    Thanks for the kick in the right direction.
  •  Here's the problem... (none)
    I don't subscribe to the newspaper.
    I don't watch network news.
    I don't watch cable news.
    While I live comfortably, I don't have the disposable income to buy subscriptions for newspapers I would never read just to counter some canceled subscriptions by the right.

    I only have so many hours in the day and while I write my congress critters and the occasional Letter to the Editor or letter to other people's congress critters about an issue, I don't have time to write every paper that does something right to give them a pat on the back.  There's only so much time and each of us has to pick his/her own fights.

    This isn't a fight that I can wage, so I don't pay attention.  Too many other fights that I do wage.  So I think that a newsstrike is a great idea.  I think that by definition Kossacks are plugged into the electronic age, and so are likely not to buy newspapers when the content is freely available on-line.  Many/most Kossacks have already given up on the network and cable news networks because of their shoddy coverage, so I think we've made about as much of a ratings blip as we can.

    Not trying to piss on your parade but that's why I think the idea hasn't gotten traction.  Now if you could go to people who did subscribe to papers and get them to cancel subscriptions then that would be different...

    -Fred

    Organizing my thoughts about how to win from 2005 forward - http://fredsfred.blogspot.com

    by FredFred on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 11:49:50 AM PDT

    •  Agree (none)
      with Fredfred, but I love the concept. Am personally thrilled to see this diary up. 'cause you know what, if every Kossack would consciously buoycott all repub. activities...we could make a difference. My areas of interest are wal mart and taxes, but I bow to your moderation arthur gilroy.
    •  Eek! (none)

      FredFred? Oh dear.

      I read your post and saw the signature at the end, misread it, and stared at the post for a full minute, thinking, "I don't remember writing that. I could have written that. I mean, I agree with most of that. But I haven't been drinking that much since this morning, I would remember if I'd written that."

      And then I noticed that there was a signature, and I reread the name at the end, and breathed just a little sigh of relief.

      I won't say 'I'm not going nuts after all!' but I will say 'My insanity hasn't just taken a giant leap forward!'

      -fred

  •  I am a Washington Post subscriber (4.00)
    And I'm not cancelling my subscription.  No I didn't agree with all of their coverage of the DSM, but I generally find their coverage comprehensive and valuable, especially regarding local issues.  I don't expect to ever agree with everything any news outlet says.  I don't agree with everything Kos says.  But I haven't stopped coming here.

    I think the Washington Post generally does a highly respectable job reporting the news and as a local resident I feel an obligation to support them with a subscription.  

    Oh yeah, I'm no longer subscribing to the NY Times, but that's only because I moved out of New York.  I think they perform a valuable news reporting service.

    "What is hateful to thee, thou shalt not do unto thy neighbor. This is the whole of the Law, the rest is only commentary" Rabbi Hillel

    by modthinglet on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 01:25:20 PM PDT

  •  Don't go off half cocked. (none)
    Start by taking on one small target. Not the NY Times but something bite sized.  

    Play to win not to show.  Find an enemy, identify the week spot and make sure the enemy has a low tilting point. Target one enemy at a time.  Then arm your army according to the target.  Only then can you shout charge and expect the masses to follow.  

    If you plan to change a news outlet, your target must be small enough that the attack will make it capitulate, not grow stronger.  You can assume it's not much interested in your opinion, so you must significantly affect it's operations to have an affect.  Preferably a target that's controlled by a board that's interested in making money, not spreading ideology.  Shouting at people who are not listening is a waist of energy.

    If your attack is based on circulation then you need to find an organization that is dependent on circulation.  Most news outlets are not dependent on circulation for revenue.  

    While circulation is a source of pride, it only intangibly affects revenue in that it may affect how much they can charge for advertisements.

    Furthermore, the affect of canceling a subscription will not be felt until your subscription runs out.  

    So even if you got an army of people to cancel their subscriptions, all on one week, the effect will be gently cushioned by being spread across all 52 weeks of the year.  

    Circulations changes may not affect the bottom line of the business, and financial affect may not be noticed until next years advertizing rate changes, and then only IF the circulation changes the new revenue contracts.  Else, no one other than the circulation manager will notice.  

    There is another problem with trying to orgnize circulation attacks: People subscribe to news sources for reasons other than direct content.  I get the local news paper because it its still the best source of LOCAL news and yard sales.  I get FOX because it comes bundled with my cable package.  I may not like the bundles but that's the way the cookie crumbles.  

    This is why the right has moved from trying to directly affect circulation, to attacking the advertisers who support the news outlets: That's the Achilles heal.  It's the advertizer who want's to appeal to as many people as possible.  It's the advertizer who wants to sell you something.  They don't want 25c for a newspaper, they want 25,000 for a new car.  This is where the rubber meets the road.  

    Advertisers don't want to get sucked into politics.  So direct action or boycotts against advertisers who support news outlets with bias can be very effective.  
                                You need to prepare 'suggested subjects' for letters and emails to the targeted advertizer. (No form letters or petitions, they are a waist of time.)  

    You also need to follow up with a REAL world media event to kick start the campaign and get it into the media spotlight.  This is because the media likes to feed on it's self and has no problem in embarrassing other media outlets.  

    Have a real life event that gets the targeted advertiser into the news in such a way that it pairs them up with ONE bit of bad opinion or news.

    A dozen nude people outside McDonnalds is better than a million e-mails.  Abortion protesters needed to get only a couple of dozen people on camera outside an abortion clinic for the media to run it at 6.  

    Once a media outlet is involved in the scandle then the other media have a feeding frenzy.  In my market no one in the media can say Weatherman and Sex with a straight face.

    DRIVE A WEDGE.  You are looking to sever the relationship between one large advertizer and the publication you selected.  This is easer than you think because the advertizer has no vested interest in the publication.  There are lots of other media sources vying to get a slice of the advertisers budget.  The connection between advertizer and publication is tenuous at best.  THIS IS THE WEEK LINK.

    Changes to the advertizing revenue have direct and imitate impact in the publications national and local sales departments.  The revenue loss is only a percentage but they will have to switch from selling to assuring other clients that they are not going to be targeted next.  (You did have advertizing target #2 from the same publication lined up, right?)  

    You must have an identifiable organization. Your campaign or army must have a name and visible figureheads.  The key is you want to be respected and feared.  A good army is so respected and feared that they have to fight very few battles because the enemys lay down their arms as soon as they know they are targets.  

    Your local police department may not like the ACLU but they respect it and try to avoid coming to there attention.  In a similar way other people try to avoid becoming targets of the People for the American way. You must have a name and identifiable figures who the media can goto for a sound bite or reaction. There must be answers to questions like  "Now that you have got McDonnalds to stop using .... do you expect to target BurgerKing next?"

    Lets look at a real example.  Pick a market where there are quite a few choices of media and print outlets.  There must be lots of competition in the media pool your target swims in. You can get an advertizer to switch horses in a one horse town!  

    For example, lets say that one a news paper takes the administrations vew, and opinions that Global warming is not proven and needs more study.  You look at the publication and figure that Toyota is the largest national advertizer in display advertisements.  

    You go for national advertisers for three reasons: First because the rates for National display advertisements are significantly higher, therefor have more impact on the bottom line. Second because the national retailer has purchased space through an add agency and has no strong business ties to the publication (week link). Third because other publications will look and tremble, wondering if they too could lose their national display add from the same vendor, if they opinion the same bad science.  

    So you launch a letter and email campaign against Toyota and the Toyota dealerships "for advertizing in a publication that pushes bad science."  You get a dozen radical cheer girls to protest outside the Toyota dealership.  "Protesting the Toyota's support of bad science", and the need for solutions to global warming.  Now Toyota has solutions for low emissions and energy efficiency, they want to be on your side.  They are saying, How come we are in the middle of this?  How do we distance our selves from this storm in a tea cup?  What's that?  All they want is for us to pull our national display add from ABC mid level news paper and switch to XYZ?  How easy is that!  

    At the national level most advertisers don't even know what papers they run in.  They just let the media buying departments of the add agency place the media buys.  Switching from one paper to the next is no skin of their noses.

    The key is that the link between the news outlet and the advertizer is tenuous at best.  The advertizer is normally interested in selling product, not getting involved in politics.

    In all print publications, and I suspect many other media outlets, the revenue is projected for months into the future.  The projection is based on known contracts and expected turnover.  All the salaries and bonuses are based on making the projections.  It only takes one or two large national print advertisers to cancel, or fail to renew a contract, for real bad repercussions for the staff.

    The link between the advertizer and the publication is tenuous at best.  The media `buy' is normally done by the advertisers advertizing agency's staff: People trying to project a good image for the advertizer.   Sorry podunk news paper, they will drop you like a hot potato.  Follow Nelson's example, don't line up to do battle on their terms, organize your fleet to drive wedges at the week spots in their line of battle.

    If circulation is the attack you are fighting a losing battle.  Circulation revenue just about covers the cost of getting the publication to you.  Some publications don't rely on circulation revenue at all.  Worldwide  "The number of free dailies is growing dramatically -- a 16 percent increase in 2003 from a year earlier and a 24 percent increase over the past five years in countries for which data was available."   It's display advertizing that supplies the bulk of revenue, more than 75% and all of the profit.  Way behind in revenue is classified advertisements, and last circulation revenue.     

    Having the target selected, and week points identified, you still need to have your team ready to go with thousands of people ready to act at a moments notice.  To do that you will have had to prepare them and get their commitment to act.  The old adage of "Don't shoot until you can see the whites of their eyes" applies in most hand to hand combat.   Throwing insults from a distant mountain won't cut it.  You must build an organization like move-on before you take the organization into battle.

    There is room for a radical left organization, with a main stream name, that is not afraid to take the slings and arrows on it's way to getting the media to turn it's back on the rights wingnuts.  What should we call the organization?  Keep it positive.  They do not call them selves `anti-abortion' but all them selves `Pro-Life'.   So what is the organization going to be called... Pro-America?  Blue Wave, or maybe just the `Toronto Star'.  

    Link to Toronto Star >> http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&a mp;cid=1120255820566&call_pageid=968256290204&col=968350116795

    •  Absolutely target the advertisers! (none)
      Last year, when the NCAA bypassed Cal for the Super Bowl (forgive me, I know this isn't political, but I think I inadvertently stumbled upon something here), I was upset (a tempest in a teapot, and I'm almost embarrassed to admit it), and I emailed the main sponsors of the Rose Bowl. I got back eager and nervous corporate reponses, begging me to know they had nothing to do with the NCAA decision or rules. I had only told them I would not watch the Rose Bowl and tell my friends to do the same, nor buy their products for awhile. (Which wasn't hard... I don't drink Coors beer anyway.)

      It never occurred to me to do the same thing for papers that don't, say, cover the DSM or the Plame scandal.

      Let's do it!

      "When minds are once aroused, they are not easily appeased." -- Voltaire

      by Valtin on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 07:22:56 PM PDT

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    •  Absolutely target the advertisers! (none)
      Last year, when the NCAA bypassed Cal for the Rose Bowl (forgive me, I know this isn't political, but I think I inadvertently stumbled upon something here), I was upset (a tempest in a teapot, and I'm almost embarrassed to admit it), and I emailed the main sponsors of the Rose Bowl. I got back eager and nervous corporate reponses, begging me to know they had nothing to do with the NCAA decision or rules. I had only told them I would not watch the Rose Bowl and tell my friends to do the same, nor buy their products for awhile. (Which wasn't hard... I don't drink Coors beer anyway.)

      It never occurred to me to do the same thing for papers that don't, say, cover the DSM or the Plame scandal.

      Let's do it!

      "When minds are once aroused, they are not easily appeased." -- Voltaire

      by Valtin on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 07:23:25 PM PDT

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    •  *snicker* (none)

      A dozen nude people outside McDonnalds is better than a million e-mails.

      In every meaningful way.

      -fred

  •  What about our Leadership? (none)
    I also called for a News strike on Fri Jun 17th, the day after Rep. John Conyers had his little basement hearing and tried to deliver the letter that so many of us have signed.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/6/17/95336/5331

    Until the Downing Street Memo came to light, I never realized how deep the dishonesty goes. I had thought that there was a left leaning press in America. I had been an avid reader of The New York Times op-ed page since 1970 and a devoted reader of The Washington Post ever since the newspaper went on-line. Now I ask myself how I could have been so stupid to believe that rich conservatives would own liberal newspapers.

    Because of the fact that on one occasion, Woodward and Bernstein were allowed to print enough truth to bring down a corrupt Republican regime, The Washington Post has been able to placate the progressive thinkers of America. Because of the fact that in 1971 The New York Times published an expose on "The Pentagon Papers" and succeeded in getting the Supreme Court lift the government inflicted restraining order against these documents, they have also enjoyed a thirty-four year reputation as a place for truth.

    But the facts are that the so called liberal press is both suppressing the story and ridiculing Rep. John Conyers Jr. for trying to bring this issue into the public eye. Now that something really big has come up, we the people are seeing the real side of the press. It has always been a smokescreen designed to make us feel that there was a watchdog keeping an eye on the goings on in government.

    But there is a much bigger smokescreen problem than the press. While the body of active Democrat constituents are focused on what the Republicans are up to in Washington, how focused are we on what our representatives are doing? With the obvious blackout by the press, the Democratic leadership should feel obliged to talk about this issue constantly. Until every single NASCAR Dad and Soccer Mom in America knows about the Downing Street Memo, this should be the main focus on every Democratic representative's website and every news interview should go there.  

    I have been watching the so called news channels and Democrats keep coming on to talk about little issues that they can't do a thing about because they are in the minority. I don't see a whole lot of them calling for justice. Many of our elected officials seem to have hung John Conyers out to dry. Yes, many of them put their signatures on a piece of paper but neither Rep. Nancy Pelosi nor Senator Harry Reid has a call for justice on their webpages.

    As a result of the information revealed in the "Downing Street Memo," I would expect my party to go for blood. How could they take such a non confrontational stance after what the Republicans put President Clinton through? It is a sad fact that in this country, our leadership spent millions and millions of dollars in a witch hunt to persecute a President who devoted eight years to improving the American way of life but chooses to ignore a mountain of evidence that a President is willing to murder Americans.

    Many of us already know that politics on every level in this country has become one big smoke screen. Does it go much further than any of us want to admit? Consider the question of whether or not we live in a country with a representative government. At this point the lobbyists pretty much own all of them.

    "Information is the Currency of Democracy". -- Thomas Jefferson

    •  You are right on the money, Eddie C. (none)
      Smoke and mirrors.

      The REAL question is...what can we do about it?

      And that's where this diary began.

      I believe that there are enougj right thinking people in America to make a difference, if only we could concentrate their efforts and power in one direction at a time.

      And I FURTHER believe that the media are the linchpin of the entire system.

      Open up the media, and by whatever degree you are successful in doing that, to that same degree the control system begins to break down.

      I am sure that the Ratpubs, the PermaGov (Cross-party Dems, Intel hustlers and so on) and so on are QUITE aware of the power of the media. They control it at the bottom line.

      Fuck with us and we will ruin you.

      Make life hard for you.

      Use our powers to break you up.

      Deny you leaked info.  

      And so on.

      But these SAME media are STILL DEPENDENT ON PUBLIC ACCEPTANCE for their bread and butter.

      WE have leverage, too.

      So...let's USE it.

      I do not have a good grasp on HOW to use it yet...witness the many fine suggestions I have gotten here...but I AM sure that it can be done.

      Strategy-use the economic power of the left (A PRIME demographic) to force the media to cover OUR concerns as well as those of the right.

      Tactics-???

      More to come.

      AG

      "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

      by Arthur Gilroy on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 10:38:11 PM PDT

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      •  Envnision this (none)
        As you move forward, with all your energy and passion, think of how we can use all our resources like a magnifying glass ... getting the angle just right and intensely focused on one small part of the crap. Once the fire gets started, the wind will help it spread.

        It's our job as a community -- and yours if you have an intense passion as you seem to -- to make it easy and straightforward for the rest of us to really focus the heat in a tinder-dry place.

        I think you can do it. Your enthusiasm and energy are enormous. Make it easy for the rest of us. We're all on your side here on 95 percent of the issues. We agree media coverage sucks. Let's not waste energy carping on each other about mega-tactics, but instead come up with a series of practical steps, small and intensely focused, where we can learn together what works and what doesn't. We can try it on smaller stages first before taking it to Broadway.

        There's room for you to take a real leadership role here. Let's see where you can take it.

        •  Glad to. (none)
          If and when I have the time.

          Trouble is...I often  do not.

          I spent at LEAST 6 to 8 hours yesterday and today both, dealing with these two diaries. i neglected my REAL work...music...to do so.

          Only so many hours in the day...plus I spend weeks at a time traveling, often in very time-challenged situations.

          Up at 5 AM, on the plane by 8, arrive at 2 PM, soundcheck and/or rehearsal at 6, concert at 8, to bed after midnight, repeat as necessary over and over and over again...

          I'll think about it.

          I'm best suited as an idea man..."Here's an idea; who wants to run with it? 'Bye now, I've got to go practice."

          But I will consider the possibilities.

          I ALSO have weeks where I HAVE to do nothing. In my life, I have up until now used them to study and grow as a musician.

          Maybe it's time for a change.

          Thanks for the encouragement.

          Later...

          AG

          "Let the intelligent read and understand, and let the ignorant stay that way." From the earliest known piece of writing. A Mesopotamian shopping list. Nice.

          by Arthur Gilroy on Mon Jul 04, 2005 at 12:06:28 AM PDT

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  •  Cancelled my Time subscription (none)
    I've been meaning to cancel my Time subscription for awhile, and actually haven't received it since I haven't paid up for the current subscription.

    Today I sent back their bill with the word "CANCEL" scrawled across it.

    Felt good.

  •  Agreed (none)
    These dopes have adopted a corporate mindset.  I have come quite close to shedding the LA Times but the cheap access to MSM and the need for movie times, gambling odds and fish wrap make this quite difficult. Brooks and Frideman alone have kept me from signing onto the Times.

    Sometimes, out of the most ordinary looking vessel can flow the most extraordinary wine.

    by normcash on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 08:10:42 PM PDT

  •  Whelp I don't subscribe to any of those... (none)
    ...nor do I have a cable box to tell nielson what I watch. So... yeah. However, I think you should plug www.bugmenot.com. This way you can get into all the online sections even those they reserve for paid subscribers so you can get your fix without having to subscribe.
  •  Mismatch between means and ends (none)
    Boycotting news outlets, like burning books, is a tactic that will remain exclusively on the Right. It is a sorehead tactic, performed by narrow-minded people who wish to purge from their sight anything that makes them uncomfortable. Progressives, dedicated to tolerance, should think twice about entering a spitting contest against professional, full-time spitters.
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