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My 22-year old son is in the Navy and I had a great conversation with him this a.m.  He's stationed in Point Mugu, CA as an AZAA (he supervises maintenence on the F-18's and experimental aircraft).

I am posting this because there is a bias out there believing that military=republican.  Dustin loves his country as much as anyone but is still willing to question why this administration put us in an untenable situation in Iraq.  His cousins are both in the in Korea and one on his way to Iraq.  We visited about the DSM, Bush's plan in '99 to get Saddam and the false claims of WMD.  Obviously, he doesn't have much conversation with his superiors on these issues, but he can't be the only one in the Navy with these views.  He is proud of his service and doesn't want to see other military put in terrible positions to satisfy this administration's hubris.

His grandmother, on the other hand, asked me the other day if I thought Dustin was "patriotic", yet.  I informed her that dissent was the highest form of patriotism.  When I told him about this, he just laughed because we all know how many hours a day she watches Faux News.

Anyway, it's just good to know that there are "thinking" people everywhere and satisfying that he at least listened to me about something in his teenage years <g>.

Originally posted to vikingobsessed on Thu Jul 21, 2005 at 10:05 AM PDT.

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  •  thank you (none)
    I hope your son comes home safe and sound and soon.

    Every society honors its live conformists and its dead troublemakers. - Mignon McLaughlin

    by sassy texan on Thu Jul 21, 2005 at 10:24:55 AM PDT

  •  thanks (none)
    Well, the only bright spot other than his chance at free college, is that Iraq does not border an ocean.  I think (other than the Navy Seals that have died) that only 4 Navy people have died in the Iraq war.  I was just so thankful he didn't choose the Army or Marines!
  •  Indeed, vikingobsessed... (none)
    There are many current lefties and vet lefties...Soonergrunt, nameless soldier and jabbausaf on this site. And in my "real" life, my husband is an usaf vet and totally disgusted with Bush. My lefty gay brother is a usaf vet and has an uncanny way of summarizing Bush's BS in one sentence. One of the most articulate and knowledgeable lefties I know is a volunteer on the Dem scene here in San Diego and a current active-duty officer in the navy. So, yes, they're out there! Best wishes to your son--hope grandma gets patriotic soon! ;-)

    "It is time to move forward. The country we carry in our hearts is waiting." --Bruce Springsteen

    by bunny on Thu Jul 21, 2005 at 10:43:32 AM PDT

    •  asdf (none)
      I would be interested to hear your brother's one sentence....and glad to know your military folk are also willing to question the answers.  We're from South Dakota, so it's a little more rare here. :)  Although John Thune is being dragged thru the coals over this whole Metabank thing...not sure how much of it will stick.
  •  Military on Iraq (none)
    I work with military officers.  None of them want another Vietnam.  All of them read and (yes!) think.  They do tend to keep their views to themselves - it is their job to be apolitical and do what they are ordered to do.  They do have worries about how the GWOT is managed and how it affects their service.  I wouldn't put them with the chickenhawks - they are pros and understand war in a way that the civilians don't.

    The enlisted are a different story.  My nephew was as gung-ho as they come the first deployment.  He absolutely didn't want to go on the second.  The soldiers actually get to see the mess up close and personal.  After a while, ideology is trumped by their own eyes.

  •  What about Operation Truth? (none)
    Those people aren't patriotic?

    I saw a wonderful line in the article.  The writer said "Only in a dictatorship is fealty to a leader loyalty to the nation."
    I'm having it made into a bumpersticker.

    "You might think that. I couldn't possibly comment." Frances Urquhart (House of Cards)

    by Yankee in exile on Thu Jul 21, 2005 at 10:51:45 AM PDT

  •  Bullshit (none)
    The myth that military = Republican is bullshit.  This oft-repeated claim is used to somehow convey legitimacy on Republicans' chickenhawk ways.  This assertion needs to be thoroughly vetted and (hopefully) debunked.  At the very least, we can't be afraid of the truth, but we need to know the truth.

    It's far better to uphold the Constitution and burn the flag than it is to hold up the flag and burn the Constitution.

    by beemer on Thu Jul 21, 2005 at 10:52:12 AM PDT

    •  asdf (none)
      I just think of what the spin machine did to a democratic war hero (Kerry) and somehow we all have to debunk the fact that military=republican=patriotic.  You'd think most of the people in the US would be outraged that one party implies that 1/2 the country is unpatriotic...but nooo!...they are willing to drink the kool-aid because it requires no independent thought.
  •  Please thank your son (none)
    Please tell your son that we thank him deeply for his service to our nation, and that we appreciate the sacrifice that your family is making by having him away and in danger. We hope and pray for his safe and prompt return.

    He's not alone in criticizing the administration's policies; many junior officers are leaving the armed forced precisely because of the needless war in Iraq. As for his "patriotic" grandmother, those foxers are beyond help. You are absolutely right that dissent is the highest form of patriotism. Their version of patriotism is complacency; instead, we are trying to make this country better.

    •  asdf (none)
      Thanks...I'll let him know that people here thank him for his service...he's got 3 more years before he's of them has to be "hardship" duty which means he'll probably be in a ship in the middle of the ocean for a year...but he thinks he'll like that...we'll see after a year ;)

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