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It's only been a few days since the Supreme Court nominee was hurriedly announced in an attempt to get Karl Rove off the front pages. Since then, all hell has broken loose.

Bloomberg is reporting that Rove and Libby both gave testimony to the grand jury that flatly conflicts with the testimony given by those they said they talked to.

We now know that the Top Secret memo most consistent with the talking points that Rove and Libby told reporters was seen in the hands of Press Secretary Ari Fleischer in the days before the leak occurred. And that Fleischer told the grand jury he never saw it.

Update [2005-7-22 16:38:29 by Hunter]: [And Steve Clemons has verified that John Bolton was one of Judith Miller's regular sources on WMD issues, and that MSNBC stands by its story that Bolton gave testimony to the grand jury about the State Department memo in question. Bolton, you may recall, has previously been identified to have been involved in the Niger uranium claims that Wilson's trip helped disprove -- just to add even more gunpowder to this mix.]

This is, to use the most calm and soothing phrase possible in such circumstances, extremely f---ing bad for the administration. It shows the broad outlines not just of multiple perjury charges, but indeed of  linked conspiracy charges against a number of administration officials.

We know that there are members of the administration familiar with the attack against Plame/Wilson who have been talking to prosecutors. At least, we can assume they've been telling prosecutors at least as much as they've been telling the press, or we'd have a whole passel of reporters likely joining Judith Miller in her Fortress of Suddenly Discovered Integrity. The fact that other administration officials have been giving their side of the story perhaps poses the most serious risk of all for Rove and others -- because it wouldn't be very difficult, for people in the right places, to shatter what little plausible deniability Rove, Libby, Fleischer, and others have been clinging to.

That branch may already be broken, in fact. I don't think it's possible to exaggerate the amount of legal danger here for Rove in particular, and Fleischer and Libby as well. The special counsel is likely trying to solidify how, exactly, Rove learned the information in the memo, since it's looking increasingly implausible that reporters told him, and looking more probable that Rove and Novak "agreed" on a storyline after the fact (reports are now saying that Rove's and Novak's stories don't quite match, too, further raising the stakes.) Note, however, that it may not matter whether the grand jury can fully identify how he came by the information. Rove has now been identified as confirming the classified info to both Novak and Cooper; that in and of itself represents a likely crime under the Espionage Act.

While we've been treated before to a series of fairly pointless leaks transparently by Luskin, Rove's attorney, since then we've been treated to far more significant leaks coming from the special counsel's office, the grand jury, and/or fellow witnesses unfriendly to Rove. Regardless of whether the leaks are intentional or not, it likely moves up Fitzgerald's timetable for any possible indictments -- once the information is public, and the defendants know what you're working on, it rapidly closes down avenues for further investigation, and it's time to put the cards on the table.

And in the middle, the President of the United States is wading in hipboots through the worst of it. As more leaks come out, Bush continues to embrace those figures now known to have played pivotal roles in the outing of a CIA NOC agent, even as the investigation becomes more encompassing and the questions, more pointed. Towards what end was Press Secretary Ari Fleischer -- who had already announced his imminent retirement from the administration, and was hardly a member of the Bush intelligence circle -- given access to classified Wilson information seemingly intended specifically, on Air Force One, for Powell and Bush? How is it that so many administration figures could be simultaneously involved, and the campaign against Wilson be orchestrated according to such specific classified talking points? What did the president and vice president know of the involvement of their immediate staff in the outing -- and, critically, when did they learn it, and what did they do about it?

What poses perhaps the greatest threat of all for the Bush administration is that, as each news agency puts the story in the hands of some of the best investigative reporters, the various threads of the story are being woven into a compelling -- and disastrous -- storyline. A Bush administration crime, carried out by Watergate-era and Iran-Contra figures that this administration has embraced wholeheartedly, done in the service of shoring up "fixed" evidence used to justify a preemptive war. And news services are tying the Plame outing to the "fixed" nuclear intelligence cited by Bush in his pre-war declarations to the nation. Those links are, finally, being made, and it's beginning to make the Nixon White House look like a Norman Rockwell painting in comparison.

There is very little time left for the White House to come up with some path -- any path -- by which to distance themselves from the wider allegations against not just Rove, but against the president and vice president themselves. Instead, they are stonewalling reporters asking them to clarify their involvement. In fact, both Bush and Press Secretary Scott McClellan haven't even backed off their previous public statements that Rove, by name, wasn't involved -- they've just refused to discuss it.

That's not going to cut it. The President needs to answer for his subordinates, who at this point are looking like they have given up any credible pretenses of innocence, and are now simply shopping for the weakest possible charges against them.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 01:24 PM PDT.

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  •  Nice (4.00)
    I pray that you're right about the amount of trouble they're in.

    Great bass - Lesh filling.

    by Glic on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 01:21:54 PM PDT

    •  Nice sig line... (4.00)
      "Listening for the secret, searching for the sounds, but I can only hear the preacher and the baying of his hounds."

      --Anne ** ** ** ** ** ** "Hyena crawls on his belly out. The town is safe again tonight." --jms

      by asskicking annie on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 01:26:10 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  asdf (4.00)

        Blue light rain, whoa unbroken chain,
        Looking for familiar faces in an empty window pane.

        Listening for the secret, searching for the sound
        But I could only hear the preacher and the baying of his hounds.

        Willow sky, whoa, I walk and wonder why,
        They say love your brother, but you will catch it when you try.

        Roll you down the line boy, drop you for a loss,
        Ride you out on a cold railroad and nail you to a cross.

        November and more, as I wait for the score,
        They're telling me forgiveness is the key to every door.
        A slow winder day a night like forever,
        Sink like a stone, float like a feather.

        (instrumental)

        Lilac rain, unbroken chain, Song of the sawhet owl.
        Out on the mountain, it'll drive you insane, Listening to the winds howl

        Unbroken chain of sorrow and pearls, Unbroken chain of sky and sea.
        Unbroken chain of the western wind, Unbroken chain of you and me.

        Okay Mr President, I'm sick of my friends coming home in flag draped boxes now! Get us out of your mess!

        by green917 on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 01:41:03 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Now We Know Why Fleischer Got the Hell Out (4.00)
      when he did.  He didn't want to be on the scene, cause he knew what was going down, and he got the Hell out of Dodge.

      The irony is that this scandal is going to get everyong who was involved, whether they quit working for Bush or not.

      As long as Cheney or Bush is NOT around to grant any pardons, and Hastert gets torn a new one if he attempts to do it.

      "I'm sorry; did you misspeak, or flat out tell a lie?, Cause the President does it ALL THE TIME."

      by The Truth on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 02:11:24 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  It's 1973-74 all over again! n/t (none)

        I think the American people--I hope the American-I don't think, let me--I hope the American people trust me.-George W. Bush

        by kitebro on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 02:31:39 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  speaking of pardons... (none)
        ...what happened to the Ken Lay trials?  I seem to recall they wanted to schedule it for "as soon as possible" and there was speculation around here it was because they wanted to see about getting a pardon if bush WASN'T re-elected.

        I like the view from the moral highground.

        by DawnG on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 02:32:40 PM PDT

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      •  I don't think Bush (none)
        has the power to grant pardons in the case
        of treason and violations of National Security etc. etc. etc..I would like to see BUSH try...
      •  It won't get everybody (none)
        Keep in mind we've got many people involved here and it's still not entirely clear what everybody did and what everybody said to Fitzgerald about it.  For example, Ari Fleischer certainly knew the information, but it isn't clear if he particpated in the leaking or whether he was honest about what he knew with Fitzgerald.

        Bush may or may not be implicated.  It's very possible he really didn't know what was going on.  This is deeply routed in the political operation and that's Rove's baby.  So he may have done all of this with little knowledge by Bush.

        What's going to be very interesting is to see where Rove fits into this.  He hasn't been a "Target" but that might just be Fitzgerald playing it close to the chest.  It's unlikely he's the root of the leak, but it's very likely that he orchestrated the leak.  Also, so far as I gather, he can be nailed on perjury at this point unless he can split some legal hairs here.

        It should be very interesting.  It's fair to say though that Fitzgerald's got something pretty damn serious if it can get reporters thrown in jail.  I wonder if maybe we still aren't getting a strong sense of the scope of this.

      •  Please, please, please! (none)
        Karen Hughes.
      •  Ari (none)
        had annouced his retirement in May 2003. It was reported on May 19, 2003. NYT
    •  Wow! If Bolton gets sucked into this scandel, (none)
      the UN has a chance!
      •  Watch the Dem Hearing on C-Span (4.00)
        Larry Johnson, Former CIA Analyst, testifying, does bring up Bolton.  Mr. Johnson rips Bolton a new one for denegrating CIA analysts and trying to get at least one of them fired because their analyses didn't match what the administration wanted to hear.  Tune in - Most fun you will have had so far this year, and a guarantee of more to come.
      •  Bolton (none)

        If Bolton doesn't get an interim appointment during the August recess, that confirmation hearing is dead meat.

        Bringing it up again just provides an opportunity for Democrats to raise the questions of Bolton's connection to the Rove morass.

        •  huh? (none)
          What confirmation hearing?

          Where did that damn thing go?  It was around here somewhere a little while ago.

          Maybe they decided to wait and find out if their appointee turns into indictee before they waste any more time.

          "Improvisation makes great comedy, but sucks for nation building.

          by God loves goats on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 04:16:52 PM PDT

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    •  Is Bush involved? (none)
      All the evidence points right at him.  Hard to believe he can invoke the Reagan Iran/Contra defense and claim he can't remember ANYTHING, or was so utterly clueless that he was completely unaware of everthing else taking place around him.  This seems more analogous to Nixon.  Assuming he wasn't involved in the initial crime, he certainly is involved in the cover-up.
      •  please god let their be an (none)
        impeachment.  This is the most evil admin ever.
      •  Diminished capacity... (3.66)
        I was drunk .. I don't remember
        I was on cocaine...I don't remember
        I choked on a pretzel .. I don't remember
        I fell off my bike... I don't remember
        Jesus made me do it...
      •  Bush's brand of loyalty (none)
        would preclude his operatives from doing anything like this without his aquiescence. I would guess that this is exactly the type of enterprise Bush would be interested in.
      •  Deniability (none)
        "We have a serious ongoing investigation here. (Laughter.) And it's being played out in the press. And I think it's best that people wait until the investigation is complete before you jump to conclusions. And I will do so, as well. I don't know all the facts. I want to know all the facts. The best place for the facts to be done is by somebody who's spending time investigating it. I would like this to end as quickly as possible so we know the facts, and if someone committed a crime, they will no longer work in my administration."

        From the July 18 Transcript of Remarks by President Bush and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh of India in Joint Press Availability

        Yes, he seems just lame and befuddled as usual, but the question about the leak investigation was so predictable they can't have failed to concoct a reply and spoon feed it to him.

        Now, what was that Personal Responsibility schtick of his about?  :::head scratch:::  My memory seems to be getting as bad as his is.
                                                                                       

        "Injustice wears ever the same harsh face wherever it shows itself." - Ralph Ellison

        by KateCrashes on Sat Jul 23, 2005 at 10:54:31 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Sen. Dem. Policy Hearing from this AM (4.00)
    Is being repeated at this very moment on CSPAN 1.  Conyers is up right now.
  •  Schadenfreude... (4.00)
    ...a big, thick slice for everyone when these putrescent colostomy bags do the frog march.

    --Anne ** ** ** ** ** ** "Hyena crawls on his belly out. The town is safe again tonight." --jms

    by asskicking annie on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 01:23:26 PM PDT

    •  Response to Schadenfreude (none)
      "Schadenfreude... (4.00 / 4)

      ...a big, thick slice for everyone when these putrescent colostomy bags do the frog march."

      Gee, I wish I could write like that!

      Outstanding!!

      •  Thanks... (4.00)
        ...it took years and years of intense effort and practice to reach the level of crassness and vulgarity I seem to have attained.

        --Anne ** ** ** ** ** ** "Hyena crawls on his belly out. The town is safe again tonight." --jms

        by asskicking annie on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 02:17:20 PM PDT

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        •  <golf clap> (4.00)
          Bravah!

          I like the view from the moral highground.

          by DawnG on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 02:33:21 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  Wow... (none)

          I love you.

          •  Sure you do (none)
            Everyone loves gutter talking women...

            But would you take her home to mother?

            "Improvisation makes great comedy, but sucks for nation building.

            by God loves goats on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 04:21:06 PM PDT

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            •  Screw that ... (none)
              Let Mom get her own ...
            •  Gutter talking woman speaks (none)
              ...I should get my boyfriend to post about Christmas 2003 when we spent the whole week between Christmas Eve and New Years at his parents' place.  I tried SO FUCKING HARD to clean up my mouth, since they --especially his Mom -- are very squeamish about profanity.  But his parents are Repubs, so I was kind of nervous, especially at first, and when I'm nervous the f-word just kinda pops out sometimes, wholly unbidden.  By my third slip-up I was so tense and embarrassed, I was ready to shove an old sock into my mouth to keep it bottled up.  I'm sure they didn't know what to think about the long-haired, loud-mouthed, trash-talkin' girl their fair-haired boy had picked up (probably thinking the picking up had occurred at a truck stop).

              But that said, politics aside, they are very nice people; they love me and have made me very much a part of the family.  Since I'm an only child and both my parents are gone that means a whole shitloa.. I mean lot to me.

              --Anne ** ** ** ** ** ** "Hyena crawls on his belly out. The town is safe again tonight." --jms

              by asskicking annie on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 08:31:37 PM PDT

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              •  Good for you annie (n/t) (none)
              •  OK -- here's the scoop on the Anne-ster (none)
                She doesn't give herself credit.  Yeah, she let slip with a couple of words that could have caused either of the parents a stroke, but it was late in the evening, and both Mom and Dad had had a sufficient number of Manhattans not to notice or care.  She also did a really good job of blowing it off when my Mom started giving her shit about her hair.  My Mom has this weird hangup about long hair -- women should cut their hair short by the time they turn 30.  Well, we were planning to celebrate Anne's upcoming FORTIETH birthday while we were up there, so my Mom was really lecturing -- much to my huge embarrassment -- but Anne went with the flow very nicely and eventually got the subject changed.  Very slick.

                But one big thing Anne omitted entirely was how she handled my brother.  My bro is just as liberal as I am, but he likes to fuck with people, and he can be a real ball-busting prick about it -- doesn't really know when to stop.  So, during Christmas Eve dinner, he asked Anne, in front of everyone (yes, my parents are VERY Republican), how she felt about her antiwar civil disobedience arrest.  Kept rubbing it in -- was the cop who arrested her hot, did she get the "traditional" handcuffs or the newer plastic type, etc.  Anne returned every volley like a star tennis player -- Dorothy Parker would have been proud of her.  I think the folks were sufficiently amused by how she handled him -- they know what he's like -- to not pay much mind to either her clearly liberal views OR her indefatigable pottymouth.

                My parents, I'm sure, realize that their "fair-haired boy" isn't going to be bringing home the Ann Coulter or Peggy Noonan of their dreams, so I think they're just glad he's "picked up" a fiery liberal who just happens to be an incredibly sweet and amazingly kind-hearted, utterly superlative human being.

    •  scumbags maybe? (4.00)
      I am sick and tired of all the unfair attacks on guiltless douche bags and now colostomy bags.  

      You malign millions of innocent feminine hygiene and digestive products with these comparisons.  

      These bags have nothing in common with the evil, corrupt people in the Bush administration, except sometimes an involuntarily offensive smell.

      Come to think of it, even calling these people scumbags would reflect unfairly on products so useful in disease and pregnancy prevention.  I can't find anything so positive to say about those people.

      But I get your point.

      •  How about we meet halfway... (none)
        Putrescent scumbags?

        --Anne ** ** ** ** ** ** "Hyena crawls on his belly out. The town is safe again tonight." --jms

        by asskicking annie on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 03:01:50 PM PDT

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      •  but.. (4.00)
        I always thought a "scumbag" was a condom? Point well taken though. How about "hemmorhoid?" Now, there is a useless pain in the ass for you.
      •  Doesn't "scumbag" mean condom? (none)
        We like condoms.

        And we know pigs, dogs, sharks, chimps, slugs, vultures, coyotes, snakes, toads, and maggots all behave with much greater integrity than those humans being discussed here.

        I'm beginning to think the only valid way to refer to them -- while serving up the ultimate insult as well -- is by their names.

        "Injustice wears ever the same harsh face wherever it shows itself." - Ralph Ellison

        by KateCrashes on Sat Jul 23, 2005 at 10:59:25 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Shad & Freud (none)
      Shad & Freud -- Combines the concepts of "egg on the face" and "fish stinks from the head down."
  •  Not over yet (3.87)
         And Rove and Roberts should be mentioned in the same sentence as often as possible, too.
  •  They're In Too Deep, They're Only Option (As They (none)
    Would See It) is to "keep on keeping on" w/ the lying and obfuscation.
  •  Don't forget the AP story today (4.00)
    Ex-CIA Officers Rip Bush Over Rove Leak

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/22/AR2005072201261.html

    It's great:)  Basically mentions Bush is hurting National Security efforts.

    •  Please shorten you links (none)
      In the future, please use shorter links.  One's this long bust the margins.

      It's easy:
      This: [ Dailykos http://www.dailykos.com ]
      becomes ->
      this: Dailykos

      Pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space because there's bugger all down here on Earth.

      by bawbie on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 01:39:32 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Ex CIA Officers fatally damage Bush credibility (4.00)
      The only thing Bush has ever had going for him is his well-cultivated image as someone who "means what he says."  He came into office in 2001 as the anti-Clinton, the anti-"meaning-of-is" guy.

      But here we are with Karl Rove evidently preparing defenses such as "I heard the name from a reporter" (i.e., one who reports to me).  Or "I heard her name from Novak" after I identified her to Cooper as "Wilson's wife who works at the CIA."  And Bush himself is flipflopping on whether he should fire Rove now that he has admitted having something to do with the leak.

      The ex-CIA agents really laid down a marker today--whether people put national security over party and over the president's advisers' job security.  They were eloquent in their condemnation of the apparent ignorance of (even disdain for) those making up the GOP talking points about the actual practice of intelligence gathering. Even though they are supposedly the "party of the war on terror."  And all throughout is the subtext that what this was relally about was fixing the intelligence, lying about or exaggerating Iraq's supposed nuclear ambitions to justify a (failed) war that they had already determined to fight a year or more before it actually happened.

      This puts politicians and the interviewers and pundits, like Matthews, in the position of basically having to choose which side to implicitly ally themselves with, which side of history they are going to end up on.  This is what happened with Watergate.  They can sell their souls like McCain for talking points that won't stand up, or they can begin to distance themselves from this "cancer on the Presidency."

      There was no internet in Watergate.  It is now so easy to ferret out pieces and put them together that we are all becoming amateur sleuths, and pooling our resources.  They have no hope of keeping a lid on this one.  It is only a matter of time until the rats start leaving the ship.

      Bush can probably survive, but if he loses Rove to an indictment and Cheney to bad health (after Libby's indictment), he is really going to be bereft, the lamest of ducks, and with a new Vice President.  

      "False language, evil in itself, infects the soul with evil." ----Socrates

      by Mimikatz on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 01:51:45 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Ah, schadenfreude...my favorite emotion! (4.00)
    I read each and every update with increasing glee....thanks Hunter.  :))

    "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."

    by ssundstoel on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 01:24:57 PM PDT

  •  Given everything I've heard: Ari in most trouble (3.88)
    I think the order of peril for the administration is as follows: Ari, Libby, Rove. Ari -- given that he was seen reading the secret memo AND talked with Novak early on -- seems to be in the most legal jeopardy for leaking and possibly perjury. Additionally, Bush's statement that anyone who committed a crime will be booted out of the administration also lends credence to the idea that Ari is going down, since he left the administration mere DAYS after the Novak article.

    The other two, Libby and Rove -- assuming Russert and Novak told the truth to the Grand Jury -- may be in trouble for perjury and possibly conspiracy. I haven't seen the evidence that would form a tight case around them yet though.

    If Ari squealed to save his hide though, the entire administration -- specifically the VP's office -- may go kerblooey.

    •  :) Great... (none)
      "If Ari squealed to save his hide though, the entire administration -- specifically the VP's office -- may go kerblooey."

      Keep on making my day.  Goddamn, all this shit flying through the air just puts me in such a great mood.

      --Anne ** ** ** ** ** ** "Hyena crawls on his belly out. The town is safe again tonight." --jms

      by asskicking annie on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 01:31:26 PM PDT

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      •  Of Course Ari Squealed... (none)
        He's a cowardly pipsqueak. He couldn't stand any kind of heat. Why do you think he's been kept under wraps by those leaking from the prosecution side? Plus he's no longer working for the WH, and his job at all critical times here was to work the press.

        Just Doing My Small Part In Pissing Off The Religious Right.

        by chuco35 on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 03:00:41 PM PDT

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        •  Would like to believe Ari talked, (none)
          but I had thought Ari and McCain are close.  Ari put on his chips on McCain back in 2000.  With McCain spouting the talking points, Ari must still be holding quiet.  Wouldn't Ari give McCain a head's up or something?  Would he let McCain go on T.V. and be such a fool?
      •  Helplessly Hoping (none)
        I'm very much hoping that this goes all the way to the top.  I'm trying to keep myself centered, however, realizing that while it looks bad for folks like Rove, I haven't quite seen the knock-out blow for him.  Of course, we don't know what Fitzgerald has in his GJ arsenal or even who is in his cross-hairs, etc.  The outs and defenses for Rove and Libby seem to keep shrinking but I have not yet seen the "ah-ha, gotcha" moment that I'm breathlessly waiting for.
    •  I Love- (4.00)
      "kerblooey"

      It's out "There" just OPEN your eyes.

      by Clzwld on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 01:32:28 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  From Calvin & Hobbes (4.00)
        Calvin thought that the Big Bang was sort of a boring name for the beginning of the universe, so he posited the idea of calling it -- and by extension similar cosmic blasts -- a "Horrendous Space Kablooey," an idea that a few astronomers agreed with and took up. In my region, however, it's ker-blooey, so.
        •  Hamster Huey (4.00)
          Hamster Huey and the Gooey Kablooie.

          It's the book Calvin asks his Dad to read to read to him night after night.

        •  also "Hamster Huey... (4.00)

          ...and the Gooey Kablooey", a story that Calvin enjoyed having read to him at bedtime. When his dad tired of it, he began to improvise.

          Calvin: [wide-eyed with wonder] I don't remember the story ending that way.

          Hobbes: Do you suppose the townsfolk will ever find Hamster Huey's head?

          Good stuff, that Calvin & Hobbes.

          "Why, a child of five could figure this out! Someone fetch me a child of five." -Groucho Marx

          by kiwifruit on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 02:40:11 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  I don't want Ari (none)
      That would be some major disappointment if Ari is the only one who takes a fall.
      •  I don't think that's possible (none)
        While I personally think Ari might be in the most legal danger, as other posters have noted there's evidence slowly piling up that implicates others regardless of Ari's role.
      •  It very well could be Ari (none)
        I think many were surprised when he resigned!

        Why did he resign -- has he been doing anything in particular since other than some speaches here and there.

        Is the reason he is unemployed - that he knows what will happen in the future?

        We will never end terrorism by terrorizing others -- bumper sticker on I-5

        by sara seattle on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 02:07:55 PM PDT

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        •  Funny thing,,,, (none)
          Ari announced his retirement on May 20, 2003, but obviously it did not take effect immediately.

          I'll bet he wishes he had left on that day.

        •  Resign (none)
          No, he actually have a long notice before he resigned, from May until July. It was said that BushCo didn't trust him, that they wanted one of their own in that position. Ari is not a member of the Texas mafia, he came in as Liddy Dole's man. So it's likely that they ousted him or just made him feel unloved.

          One thing to note, Tony Blair came to town the week after the Plame thing hit (to be entertained by JimmyJeff Gannon, if you believe him tell it). Ari didn't know about it beforehand. Which suggests, at a minimum, he was already out of the loop (how could you now know Blair was coming to town??). It also might mean Blair's trip was a last-minute plan.

          This is the way democracy ends Not with a bomb But with a gavel -Max Baucus

          by emptywheel on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 02:22:34 PM PDT

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          •  Yep, met him (none)
            When he worked for Liddy Dole. Bob was campaigning for President and Ari was working for Elizabeth and coordinating her campaign schedule. I meant him on a advance trip as apparently the Mayor of our City suggested Elizabeth speak to the families in the Projects about Issues.
            So I was the only one available that day to discuss the appearance with him.

            As it ended up , Elizabeth Dole, no showed.
            We went to a lot of trouble to have the place spotless and the kids and parents there to discuss their concerns ( although all of us were voting for Clinton). We wanted to be courteous.

            I disliked Ari from then on..LOL.

            Another Day, More Recycled Republican Rubbish-- PA Democratic Committee

            by wishingwell on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 02:33:00 PM PDT

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            •  Yeah I'm torn (none)
              He's a slime, so I'd love to throw him on the dung heap with teh rest of these criminals.

              But if he's talking, I'm beginning to have a new tingle in my heart for Ari.

              This is the way democracy ends Not with a bomb But with a gavel -Max Baucus

              by emptywheel on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 02:38:31 PM PDT

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              •  and in person (none)
                He comes across in person as slimey and fake.
                He just kept smiling that day and he was soft spoken but he came off to me as insecure and plastic.

                Another Day, More Recycled Republican Rubbish-- PA Democratic Committee

                by wishingwell on Sat Jul 23, 2005 at 12:21:41 PM PDT

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        •  His book? (none)
          The one no one wanted to read.
          He even got an appearance on TDS, say it ain't so Jon.

          "I'm not going to be your monkey"

          by gabie on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 02:26:18 PM PDT

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      •  Ari's Safe -- He Squealed, IMHO. n/t (none)

        Just Doing My Small Part In Pissing Off The Religious Right.

        by chuco35 on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 03:02:59 PM PDT

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    •  I wonder (3.50)
      if Bush will argue that Ari was THE leak, and that he booted him asap. Remember, Ari announced and left rather quickly...

      This, of course, does not get anyone else off the hook who confirmed Plame's identity. However, it does make sense that Ari was the first to out Plame. The rest was follow-up. The BIGGIE is if it can be shown that the follow-up was a conspiracy. It also fits with about how stupid and arrogant these guys are when it comes to laws. They just don't think laws apply to them. So, they get sloppy. They know that the actual leak is illegal, but they don't bother to remember that ANY discussion of secrets, ANY mention, is also verboten.

      Oh well. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of guys.

    •  Where has Ari been lately? (none)
      I don't even remember him doing a tour for his book that came out a few months ago.
    •  Ari... said it before, will say it again (none)
      run to the Spec. Prosecutor NOW with an offer of proof and make a deal before someone else does and you are left with nothing to offer!!!  Life sucks when you have to live the last 30 or 40 years of it known as "Convicted Felon Ari Fleischer"
    •  Don't forget Condi and Hadley (4.00)
      although he will probably take the bullet for her.  Remember her in the Africa press gaggle telling reporters to follow up on Wilson as a lead, something fishy there.

      "False language, evil in itself, infects the soul with evil." ----Socrates

      by Mimikatz on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 01:54:18 PM PDT

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    •  The Ari jeopary stories (none)
      Are coming from Rove. And note Ari has always been making no comment, in newspaper story after newspaper story after newspaper story. Which means there's no way anyone knows what Ari's testimony is, because only he or his lawyer would have the right to leak it.

      Also consider that Fitz offered immunity to some people to testify.

      If I were Rove, and I knew that Ari was going to testify, then I'd be spending a lot of time making people who don't read through my anonymous sourcing believe that Ari is in a lot of jeopardy. That way, when Ari gets up on the stand and says, "Rove orchestrated it from day one" then Rove can say, "But your honor, how can you believe such testimony when everyone knows Ari was seen with the memo?" Bang, there goes Ari's unquestioned credibility.

      And why would Ari do it? Well, for starters, he's not a member of the Texas mafia. So he's not made the vow of Long Star loyalty. Also, when he left there were rumblings that BushCo didn't trust him, he was Liddy Dole's guy, not Bush's. If anyone would testify, I think Ari would.

      This is the way democracy ends Not with a bomb But with a gavel -Max Baucus

      by emptywheel on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 02:17:34 PM PDT

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      •  I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings (none)
        I think just about any of these soft pasty rich white guys will agree to testify if they're credibly threatened with being put on trial for espionage.  They ain't, after all, G. Gordon -- shoot for the head -- Liddy. We call them the Bush family mafia, and Abramoff may  very well have been involved in a mob hit down in Florida, but most of these guys  don't believe that they or their families will be killed if they testify.  Which gives Fitzgerald a big hammer to compel testimony.  Espionage, that's a no-bail kind of charge.  

        I see it here in California's Emerald Triangle.  The feds bust some lowly trimmer or electrician they catch wiring a grow shed.  These middle class white people face twenty years in a federal pen.  And the U.S. Attorney gets them to rat on everybody they ever met, including thier friends.  Stand up guys (or gals) are far and few in between when their fear of hard time in prison isn't balanced by fear of death.

        Just look at what happened in the Enron scandal:  Fastow testified, Glisan testified, Koppers testified.  And they'll all be singing at the trials of Ken Lay and Jeff Skilling.

        This aggression will not stand, man.

        by kaleidescope on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 03:29:43 PM PDT

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      •  Geez, he was twice the dissembler that Mclellan is (none)
        Ari was much better at the Orwellian double speak than Scott IMHO.
  •  The Parallels With Watergate are Staggering (3.91)
    Not the crimes themselves - this time they're much worse - but the way it's breaking.

    The only thing that's missing are the tapes. I don't think we'll get any "He's bugged himself!" this time.

    "What did he know and when did he know it?"

    This is CLASS WAR, and the other side is winning.

    by Mr X on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 01:27:26 PM PDT

  •  what's hysterical (3.73)
    is the silence on the whole mess from GOP bitch boy and raw egg lover drudge.  It's quite obvious he has his marching orders from GOP headquarters not to post any treasongate stories lest they get more attention.

    He hasn't even posted how coulter PLAGIARISED a recent column (check out raw story for the goods) and he has YET to even post about the whole coingate scandal.

    But man on man if a democrat were to do all of these things

  •  The Cheney Conspiracy (4.00)
    now appears to be a multi-faceted national and international effort to create the facts to justify the invasion of Iraq.  (Senator Roberts, do you remember your promise?)

    I don't think Cheney had the ability to create all of this within his own shadow government organizations (OSP, etc..), but they certainly made the most of everything that surfaced.

    1)DSM, 2)Bolton and the NSA intercepts, 3)the Yellowcake Road (see  http://dailykos.com/story/2005/7/22/7563/12283)
     and 4)Libby/Rove treason are just the first signals  we are now receiving to the entire Cheney conspiracy to create the preconditions for war. This could perhaps be among the greatest assaults on  America's institutions in this nation's short history.

    I think Cheney and the co-conspirators are going to regret having crossed Powell, the CIA, the Brits, Congress (at least some of them will be the source of regret), and the press  along the way to achieve their goal - which, in the end, is turning out to be a monstrous failure.

    •  Nice post. (none)
           A couple of comments. First, Sen. Roberts' promise does NOT count....he had his fingers crossed behind his back.
           Secondly, of the people and instituions they have messed with, it is the CIA that they will regret the most. We still have the best spooks and they are not to be f**ked with, not by morons foreign or domestic.  
      •  I forgot (none)
        about the "my fingers were crossed" rule.  But I guess that's what happens when you don't play with adults.

        Larry Johnson's comment at today's hearing:

        Answer: You'd hope that the WH would conduct themselves like adults and not petulant children.  Unfortunately, the crowd in the white house acts like a bunch of kids!

        must also apply to Republican committee chairs.

      •  Yes, and the amateur attempt (4.00)
        to clean house via Porter Goss probably just pissed off everyone even more.  These are career heroes, trading their personal security (and that of their family) for the security of all things about this country they believe in.  All for Bushco just to use you (and your family) for political fodder at the drop of an (empty) hat.

        PNAC, Tenet falling on the sword, 9/11 commission .. the blood must be boiling over, as evidenced by today's letter by the former CIA officials and the testimony provided at a DEMOCRATIC hearing.  As was said much better than I, this transcends politics.

        And, not only does the press need to start deciding which side of history they are going to fall on -- where the Hell are the Republicans?  I can't believe they continue to avoid the issue and defend Rove.  I don't respect it, because it is resulting in further destruction of America every single day it goes on.  I just can't believe that there are no Conyers-equivalents.  McCain certainly isn't one; I realized that when he allowed his family to get trashed by Bush in 1999.

        The only force that can overcome an idea and a faith is another and better idea and faith, positively and fearlessly upheld. Dorothy Thompson.

        by Intellectually Curious on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 02:59:34 PM PDT

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    •  It Doesn't Say Much for Our System That (none)
      having crossed Powell, the CIA, the Brits, Congress (at least some of them will be the source of regret), and the press  along the way to achieve their goal would be well supported if the goal had actually been attained.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy....--ML King, "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 02:23:11 PM PDT

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    •  Please remind me what Roberts' promise was. (none)
      •  Incriminating stuff was postponed for the election (none)
        Last year, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence completed the first phase of its investigation into prewar intelligence on Iraq. The report addressed the quality of the intelligence, but not how it was used. Committee Chairman Pat Roberts (R-KS) said the committee would come back to that question (Phase 2) "after the elections" but now refuses to make good on his promise. Contrary to what some would have us believe, the question of how intelligence was used to support the administration's case for war has yet to be addressed.

        The above text is from www.downingstreetmemo.com

        Go there also to take a DAILY ACTION to make  Roberts and the Senate Intelligence Comm. fulfill their promise to complete the investigation.

    •  I need more evidence (none)
      that Powell is in any way talking to the Prosecutor.  I still believe that Powell is playing a self protection game.  That has been him M.O. forever.  Even in Viet Nam with the scandals there, he protected his readend and did not even get one bad mark.  No, this man is ALL about self protection.  And nothing about protecting America.
  •  The perils of NOC agents such as Plame (4.00)
    In today's testimony before Congress, Larry C. Johnson made clear the difference between a regular CIA operative, attached to an embassy or legation, enjoying Black Passport immunity protection from the host nation he or she operates in; and the much more perilous life of a Non Official Cover (NOC) operative.

    In order for people to understand the extent of what Karl Rove and I. Lewis Libby (with others) did, in destroying Valerie Plame Wilson's cover, I have written a brief description of the essential difference between Official Cover and Non-Official-Cover.
    In his testimony, Larry C. Johnson said the following:
    Although Val started off with official cover, she later joined a select group of intelligence officers a few years later when she became a NOC, i.e. a Non-Official Cover officer. That meant she agreed to operate overseas without the protection of a diplomatic passport. She was using cover, which we now know because of the leak to Robert Novak, of the consulting firm Brewster-Jennings. When she traveled overseas she did not use or have an official passport. If she had been caught engaged in espionage activities while traveling overseas without the black passport she could have been executed.

    Nations exchange territory and immunity when they enter into diplomatic relationships. The grounds of the US Embassy in Paris is US territory, and French police or officials cannot enter this territory unless invited by senior officials of the US legation. French law does not hold inside Embassy grounds, nor can any arrests be made there.

    But this immunity against prosecution by the host nation is also extended beyond the embassy gates, if the personnel in question has been formally presented to the French Foreign Office as official members of the US legation to France.

    Since it's a well known fact that nations spy on each other, this is how one has sorted out the problem of what to do if caught.

    As a diplomatic, official envoy of a nation, working in a host nation, you enjoy immunity from prosecution, according to the laws of that nation. In some rare instances, when the transgression has been sufficiently grave, you may be held responsible, if your legation releases you to the host nation's authorities - but those are rare.

    The military Charge d'Affaires, for instance, at an embassy, will represent his or her nation's military interests, interceding if necessary on behalf of his nation's military forces, but is also understood to be interested in the military secrets of his host nation.

    Diplomatic personnel carry Black Passports that identify them as they enter a country. They are allowed to bring with them diplomatic, sealed pouches, which may not be opened or examined by the customs officials of the host nation, neither when entering or departing.

    Should such an examination (or other obstruction of an officially registered member of the legation) occur, then the diplomatic bona fides of the nation committing the transgression may be revoked by the nation that feels it has been offended (its ambassador will then be reprimanded by, for instance, the US Secretary of State if the US has registered an offense against one of its legations, and the transgressing nation's legation may even be ordered to close and leave the US), and US allies may also choose to sanction the transgressor (in spite of the fact that the pouches could contain espionage product).

    But being an official diplomat, working under cover, inside your legation, tags you. Your movements in the host nation may be recorded, your contacts likewise, your communications may be sought interfered with or tapped.

    Which is why espionage services need NOCs. Those operating with Non-Official-Cover.

    These do not have the Black Passport, and are treated as ordinary citizens of their home nation by the host nation. Instead of enjoying diplomatic immunity from the host nation's laws, they are subject to those laws, to the extent applicable unless these transgress against protection afforded through international law. (And even then you might be in for hell).

    Thus, someone holding a Black Passport could smuggle heroin out of Thailand, get caught, and still get to leave. While you and I would get arrested, thrown in jail, and probably lose our lives.

    For Black Passport immunity to be applicable, the status of the holder must be registered upon entry in the host nation, through official channels.

    The holder of a regular passport is registered by the immigration officials upon entry, or by the embassy of the host nation in case visas have been issued; and may have to report regularly to the host nation, if the stay is of some duration.

    Intelligence services will esteem a NOC as much more valuable an operative than an official member of a legation; particularly if that operative has worked for a long time, established and maintained a solid cover, and has gained a network of contacts and relations through a legitimate job or position, bringing them into regular contact with citizens, officials and organizations of the host countries they travel through, work in or have contacts with.

    However, should you be revealed to be spying against, or working against, the interests of your host nation, then you will be arrested and tried. (Or shot on sight).

    Many nations, in order to deter people from seeding them with spies, have exceedingly strict laws against espionage, thus raising the risk for such operatives substantially.

    Since you have not registered Black Passport status upon entry, you cannot invoke such protection if caught, even if you should have one.

    With the above in mind, you get a better impression of what it actually was Rove, Libby and Novak did - and you probably also get a sense of what may have happened to the contacts Valerie Plame has had, in the countries she operated in, through her cover.

    (As additional food for thought. The protections granted to legations are regulated through international law, particularly the (ed. Vienna) and Geneva Conventions. By spitting on that convention, Rumsfeld and Cheney have greatly imperiled US operatives, not only military personnel, but also those working for the intelligence services, in nations around the world).

    "I don't do quagmires, and my boss doesn't do nuance."

    by SteinL on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 01:30:31 PM PDT

    •  As a Former Black Passport Holder (4.00)
      As a daughter of a diplomat I grew up with one of those "Black Passports." Everything stated in this article is absolutely on point and factual. When someone in an embassy was outed they were typically sent home and there was no real repercussion. However, the one time someone was arrested in an African Country for alleged espionage, with a regular passport, the US embassy wasn't able to track down which jail he was in for four weeks, let alone help him out. Foreign cops love to arrest a suspected spy without a black passport - they get to extract revenge for all the damage diplomats with passports do in their country.

      The US is no different. Our government becomes incredibly frustrated when a diplomat turns out to be a spy in Washington because there is nothing they are able to do - however, when they get a non diplomat as a spy they hold on to him twice as hard because there is nothing stopping them.

      What this means is that by outing Plame they have endangered the lives of every non-diplomat who associated with her in any of the countries she ever worked. This is whether or not they are agents, they will all be under heightened scrutiny. And as someone who was accidentally arrested for espionage (picture taking, wrong time, wrong place) God help those individuals while they prove their innocence.

    •  I missed the hearing and live thread, but (none)
      ... Johnson has spoken in recent interviews about an automatic Damage Assessment Report that's triggered when a NOC and/or other intelligence assets are exposed.

      He stressed the fact that the lack of leakage from such a report spoke volumes, as anything that would exculpate the Rove/WH leakers would promptly be put into the media bloodstream.

      Did he speak about that today? (I looked for a roundup of testimony but didn't see any on the site.)

      C-Span coverage of the Rove-WH leak on Fri, 07/22 10:00am!

      by Peanut on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 02:39:06 PM PDT

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      •  Link to his testimony above ... (none)
        He doesn't mention the Damage Assessment. But Johnson quit the CIA years ago and would have no access to this - and depending upon the nature of Plame's operations, it may never be made public.

        "I don't do quagmires, and my boss doesn't do nuance."

        by SteinL on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 03:03:55 PM PDT

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        •  Larry Johnson DID (none)
          mention the damge assesment today. Cspan repeat of hearing tonight at 8pmedt.

          The more understanding one posesses, the less there is to say and the more there is to do.

          by Alohaleezy on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 03:45:21 PM PDT

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          •  I have only read the transcript ... (none)
            ... of his initial statement, there he mentions damage in connection with Novak's column.

            If there were questions, he may have touched upon the Damage Assessment Report, but it's still a document he wouldn't get to see.

            "I don't do quagmires, and my boss doesn't do nuance."

            by SteinL on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 03:47:14 PM PDT

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            •  Correct. (none)
              He talked about it in the question and answer time later in the hearing. I think it was Waxman that asked him about it. Larry stated at that time that no one would ever get to see the damage assesment report though because of the sensitivity. It was also very touching to watch Se. Slaughter speak and ask questions. You can tell she feels very deeply about this matter and is overwhelmed. At one point she even said there are just no words. paraphrasing there. It was very good to watch this hearing. Highly recommend watching the repeat if you can. I believe Cspan has it online now too.

              The more understanding one posesses, the less there is to say and the more there is to do.

              by Alohaleezy on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 04:02:28 PM PDT

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  •  Bolton, Bolton (4.00)
    Who got the Bolton?

    Why did he testify in front of the grand jury?

    What is his part in all of this?

    "Ladies and gentlemen, the Bushes aren't married. They have an arrangement." -- Rush Limbaugh.

    by bink on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 01:30:44 PM PDT

    •  Why Bolton testified (4.00)
      Here's a long post about why Bolton testified.

      The short version is, the INR memo is a memo describing what State's stance has been wrt the Niger story from day one. In general, INR had THE BEST record of any of the intelligence agencies on suspecting the Niger story. With one exception. Someone at State put together a fact sheet describing why Iraq's statement wasn't good enough that included the Niger claim.

      That someone was Bolton.

      So you can almost guarantee he got to vet that memo, to make sure his culpability for the fact sheet was hidden. Which means he knew about it (at a time, remember, when Cheney had already called for Wilson's head). He knew about the memo, and his deputy Fred Fleitz almost certainly knew all about Plame's covert status because he worked with her at CIA, his other home.

      This is the way democracy ends Not with a bomb But with a gavel -Max Baucus

      by emptywheel on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 02:28:07 PM PDT

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  •  Wooooo Hooooo (none)
    Starting to rain shit in Roveland.....
  •  The only question is (4.00)
    how far will they go and how low will they stoop in order to stop and/or quash the investigation?

    I'm not sure I want to know the answer to that.

    •  It's a Concern (none)
      I've come to the conclusion -early on- that this unholy gang of mobsters is all about the wresting and maintaining of power and money.  They have demonstrated that they will stop at nothing.  Remember the staged riots in the Broward and Dade Board of Election Offices, using real-live Repub operative thugs? I am convinced that they will use every instrumentality including break-ins, violence, bugs, etc.

      OTOH, I'm hopeful that the Special Prosecutor can withstand intimidation of that sort.  He's dealt with the mafia and appears to be no fool.  I'm also hopeful that the DC Appellate Court, one of the most conservative in the country, seemed to be outraged.  Finally, I'm hopeful that the press -even Tony Blankley of the Washington Times- seems to be acknowledging that Bush, et.al. are gonna be taking a hit.  It's hard to see what they could do, other than suspend habeas corpus, to derail the investigation at this point.

  •  Their only game plan (4.00)
    Their only game plan now is to hope August arrives early and everyone, including Fitzgerald, goes on vacation.

    When we outlaw free speech, only outlaws will speak freely. - DaveOinSF

    by Bob Love on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 01:31:31 PM PDT

    •  Their problem is, (4.00)
      Americans don't take vacations anymore since we are being F*CKING WORKED TO DEATH BY GREEDY A**HOLES.
      •  Amen [n/t] (none)

        The public wants what the public gets, but I don't get what this society wants -- Paul Weller

        by jamfan on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 01:50:28 PM PDT

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        •  Going underground??? (none)
          Actually, it sounds like a viable option for Turdblossom right now.

          I don't think that there are any Russians, and there ain't no Yanks... just corporate criminals playing with tanks. - Michael Been

          by gp39m on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 02:14:39 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  GP39M (none)
            Is this a BNSF reference?

            --Anne ** ** ** ** ** ** "Hyena crawls on his belly out. The town is safe again tonight." --jms

            by asskicking annie on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 02:25:14 PM PDT

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            •  I am one awed foamer (none)
              Not only can you curse like three drunken sailors, but you are wise in the ways of warmed-over GP30s... a true Renaissance woman!

              I don't think that there are any Russians, and there ain't no Yanks... just corporate criminals playing with tanks. - Michael Been

              by gp39m on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 10:44:13 PM PDT

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          •  "Let the boys all sing (none)
            and let the boys all shout for tomorrow" indeed, should Turdblossom go!

            The public wants what the public gets, but I don't get what this society wants -- Paul Weller

            by jamfan on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 02:30:47 PM PDT

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          •  The Image..... (none)
            ...of Karl Rove digging an underground warren with his paws, like a gopher, all the while frantically glancing over his shoulder, is just too delicious for words.  

            "Why that's a Rove Hog, son...we generally try to smoke 'em out or flood 'em...and if we see 'em we blast 'em or otherwise they root through the whole dang garden."

        •  A-Fucking-Men (none)
          My current boss is an overbearing asshole who works 14 hours a day and expects everybody in the department to be just like him. This guy redifines the term "pompous asshole".

          Great overtime, but I'm one step away from the looney bin as my 6 day schedule only amounts to "get up, go to work for 14 hours, eat, crash 30 minutes after I eat, wake up, repeat".

          So much for friends and sex with the wifey.

          The future's here, we are it, we are on our own.

          by Frank Roberts on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 04:59:14 PM PDT

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      •  Watergate hearings were in the summer (none)
        It just meant more people were rivetted to the TV.

        Now there is the 'net, streaming audio etc.

        "False language, evil in itself, infects the soul with evil." ----Socrates

        by Mimikatz on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 02:01:40 PM PDT

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        •  Iran-Contra hearings were also in summer (none)
          In 1987. I remember watching them in the summer before my senior year of high school, hoping that they'd bring down the Reagan regime.

          No such luck. They were a whitewash.

          Hopefully, this time will be more like Watergate and less like Iran-Contra.

          Proud citizen of the provisional Canadian province of Cascadia since November 3, 2004

          by seaprog on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 04:08:39 PM PDT

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      •  So true.. (none)
        Not to mention the price of gasoline to go anywhere..

        Another Day, More Recycled Republican Rubbish-- PA Democratic Committee

        by wishingwell on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 02:42:18 PM PDT

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      •  Not True (none)
        Miserable Failure takes every August off at taxpayer expense. Let's hope he does so again so everyone can appreciate how lazy and aloof he is as Rovegate heats up while he falls off his bike in Texas.
    •  Limited vacations. (none)

      Congress goes on vacation in August. I think that Bush does, too.

      I doubt that all that many reporters do, Fitzgerald doesn't seem the typ to, and I know that bloggers don't.

  •  More to chew on (4.00)
    Bolton testified before the Plame grand jury, and

    Bolton was a regular source for Judith Miller's WMD reporting in the run-up to Iraq.

    "I didn't dig it out, it was given to me... they gave me the name and I used it." - Novak, Newsday, 7/22/03

    by thirdparty on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 01:31:37 PM PDT

  •  someone better pay off Ari (none)
    His book didn't do well (last I heard it was being remaindered), and hasn't he got a new wife and kid? I don't think he'll want to spend several years in prison on perjury/espionage/conspiracy charges.

    If I were a current Bush administration official, I'd be very worried about Fitzgerald turning Ari at this point. I suspect that someone will make him and his family a very generous financial offer.

    On the other hand, if Ari has really lied to the grand jury, it may be too late for him to cut a deal promising to cooperate. I don't know how these things work. Is there a prosecutor out there with some insight?

  •  I hope this comes to fruition. (4.00)
    Not because of schaedenfruede in this case, but because it is right.

    A few weeks ago, maybe a month, I broke down crying in my car listening to a caller to Randi Rhodes (I think it was Randi) describe how he was going to the funeral for a neighbor's son killed in Iraq. Another of their sons had committed suicide when his Guard unit was called up. I wept for them and all the people like them and, for the first time in my life, I actually cried out to God for justice. These people should face the justice of the God they claim to believe in and the society that they clearly don't believe in.

    It's not about wanting bad things to happen to them. I simply want to see them brought to justice and their crimes exposed.

  •  The right is really full of shit... (4.00)
    and on the left we just might be willing to eat our own without feeling any remorse.   I certainly include myself in that statement.

    If a lefty commentator had facilitated a criminal act like Bob Novak did with this administration most of us here on the far left would be burning the person at the cyber stake.

    The right is more than willing to let Novak go on yapping and writing even after it is clear that he used the criminal information to "out" Valerie Plame, ruin her professional life, seriously alter her personal and family life in many unforseen ways, and then proceed to sing about this to grand jury without even batting an eye.

    Where is the outrage from the right wing about this idiot.

    Sometimes Beagle will run off while we are walking together in the park.  As we walk in a large urban park, beagle will quite often find human waste.  She finds it most delicious and proceeds to both eat it and roll in it.  Eventually she creates waste from the human waste she has ingested.

    This is Bob Novak.  The waste produced by Beagle after ingesting human waste.

    I am so far to the left I can almost see the right again.

    by beagleandtabby on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 01:36:06 PM PDT

  •  Plame Game - Coming up NOW on CNN n/t (none)
  •  I predict an 'Iran-Contra' ending... (4.00)
    1.  Whoever dies first will get the blame.

    2.  Everyone else will be pardoned.

    Apologies for my cynicism.  I hope this will bring these folks down, but I'm not convinced.
  •  Yes, but... (4.00)
    can anyone make this stick?

    I just had a conversation with my brother-in-law--a moderately conservative, well-educated, business-man who, despite running a multi-million dollar company and having lots of government contracts, had no idea who Karl Rove was.  

    He kept calling him "Rowe" and asked me what all the fuss was about.  He knew there was a "fuss" because he'd heard Rove's name so many times in the paper, but he didn't have the slightest idea what Rove had done. When I tried to explain the basic points, he shrugged and said it was all just politics, then went back to grilling his steaks.

    That's the response you're going to get from Middle America.  And until you can make Middle America care and know as much about Rove and Plame as they did about Clinton and Monica, there is no case.

    Maybe Rove will go to jail. Maybe Fleisher and Libby will go, too. But Bush will continue on, and Middle America will continue to believe the Prez is basically a decent guy whose being annoyed and hounded by a whole bunch of sour-grape Democrats.

    Public outcry begins with stained dresses, not leaked information.

  •  These are exciting times (4.00)
    To borrow shamelessly from Apocalypse Now:

    I love the smell of resignations in the morning... and indictments in the afternoon.  Can you smell that?  It smells like... springtime.

    -AG

    [Bush] is like a bad-guy wrestler -- he begs off when you're beating the hell out of him, and when you stop, he punches you in the nuts. (AdvisorJim)

    by AlphaGeek on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 01:38:11 PM PDT

  •  Nice framing with your summary (4.00)
    While its still shocking to read something so damning, it really shouldn't be surprising -- these guys are political whizzes and policy hacks. Every coordinated operation they touch turns to dung. It just took the involvement of a prosecutor to show them that there really are consequences.

    If this continues to conflagrate into a genuine conspiracy, wonder if they'll let Bush and Cheney testify together on this one??? (snark)

    "Better ask questions before you shoot/deceit and betrayals bitter fruit" -- Bruce Springsteen, "Lonesome Day"

    by QuestionableSanity on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 01:39:07 PM PDT

  •  The waiting... (4.00)
    is the hardest part.  At first I was delighted simply  that Rove might be going down.  Now it's beginning to look like a whole surfeit of shits are circling the bowl.  Fleisher, Libby.....maybe even Novak?  I feel like a kid before Christmas.

    Nero fiddled. Bush bicycles.

    by jazzmaniac on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 01:39:50 PM PDT

  •  It Can Only Go Higher (4.00)
    There may well be bigger fish to fry than Fleisher, Rove and Libby. Fitzgerald has taken an inordinate amount of time on this. This could get all the way to Cheney or to his second-in-command Bush.  

    Canada - where a pack of smokes is ten bucks and a heart transplant is free.

    by dpc on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 01:40:10 PM PDT

  •  CNN just corrected Carville (none)
    and said it's untrue that Bolton testified??? What's going on?Whoever that is who has Carville and Bay Buchanan on.

    Great bass - Lesh filling.

    by Glic on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 01:41:39 PM PDT

  •  nice summary (none)
    Hunter, I always thought you were one of the best summarizers.

    I'm a good word maker uppperer,  like "summarizer", but the ability to tie things together and include links requires a kind of useful focus you've evidently mastered.  Well put.

  •  Fill in the blank: (none)
    "On the flight to Africa, Fleischer was seen perusing the State Department memo on Wilson and his wife, according to ______ who was also on the trip."

    I'll go first:

    "On the flight to Africa, Fleischer was seen perusing the State Department memo on Wilson and his wife, according to Colin Powell who was also on the trip"

    Isn't it fun?

    When nothing is forbidden, anything is possible

    by Demovet on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 01:42:55 PM PDT

  •  Russert seemed angry on Sunday (4.00)
    and we can understand why. Scooter told the GJ that he got his info from Russert and Russert told the GJ that was not true.

    How must these reporters feel having WH operatives lying about them to the investigation?
    ----
    I love this phrase:
    "Fortress of Suddenly Discovered Integrity"

    To thine own self be true - W.S.

    by Agathena on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 01:44:47 PM PDT

  •  What's the big deal? (4.00)
    I don't see why everyone is making such a big deal over this. It's not as if anyone got a blowjob or anything.

    "I think the [Iraqi insurgence is] being defeated. And that's why they continue to fight." - GWB

    by mofus on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 01:44:58 PM PDT

  •  But David Limbaugh wrote (none)
    yesterday that conservatives WANT this story to continue because everyday it is out there the Democrats are going to be even MORE embarassed than they are already about how things are developing.

    Really.

    Not.Making.This.Up.

  •  Thank you for an excuse... (4.00)
    to haul this one out again. Any time's a good time to imagine the Reptile on his way to the klink.

  •  This Is No. 2 Headline at Foxnews.com ! (4.00)
    This story cannot be swept under the rug.

    If only there was a break in the Natalie Halloway story...

    This is CLASS WAR, and the other side is winning.

    by Mr X on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 01:46:04 PM PDT

  •  Why no McClellan Roasting? (none)
    This needs to get prominence back in the media. None of it matters (well, it does but not to the extent it should) if the public isn't informed about how crooked these guys really are.
  •  dare I say (none)
    Yippee

    Few men have virtue to withstand the highest bidder. - George Washington

    by crkrjx on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 01:48:06 PM PDT

  •  IF.... (4.00)
    This continues to fall in place....My confidence in our country will be restored. I pray, I hope, we can finally hold  responsible the people who have created this big fat mess in Iraq.
  •  Something is amiss here (none)
    I, for some reason, don't like this.

    It feels like a red herring... why is Fox loving this story so much? Is it because this is leading in a circle around the administration in esoteric conspiracy charges that Repubs will be able to obfusicate instead of directly to the uranium claims, stovepipe, and the lies that have killed thousands of Americans?

  •  Anyone have text to the WSJ artcile linked... (none)
    ..in the story?

    cheers,

    Mitch Gore

    Nobody will change America for you, you have to work to make it happen

    by Lestatdelc on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 01:51:26 PM PDT

  •  Who ya gonna vote for Karl? (4.00)
    Oops,I forgot,convicted felons can't vote. Oh the irony.
  •  How to take all of them down (none)
    The conspiracy is looking too big for Fitzgerald to get them all.
  •  Send a message to Senator McCain (4.00)
    On July 18, Larry Johnson and 10 other retired intelligence officers published "AN OPEN STATEMENT TO THE LEADERS OF THE UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND THE SENATE." That statement included the following request:

    In the case of Valerie Plame, she still works for the CIA and is not in a position to publicly defend her reputation and honor. We stand in her stead and ask that Republicans and Democrats honor her service to her country and stop the campaign of disparagement and innuendo aimed at discrediting Mrs. Wilson and her husband.

    How has Senator John McCain responded to this request? Appearing on "Hardball with Chris Matthews' for July 21, Mr. McCain made statements at two points during his interview that echo a part of the smear campaign against the Wilsons. Below is a portion of the transcript from that interview. By his remarks, Senator McCain not only attributes a "clean" motive to Karl Rove, but also conveys by implication that Joe Wilson brought on the outing of his wife by making false claims about Vice President Cheney sending him to Niger.

    MCCAIN: ...And, right now, the status of this situation is, is that Karl Rove still publicly denies that he did leak this name, OK. And I believe he has the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. And, again, as we said earlier in our conversation, he was trying to refute allegations that Ambassador Wilson made that turned out not to be true. And he knew they were not true. Well, I'm talking about Karl Rove knew they were not true.
    MATTHEWS: OK. Let's talking about...
    MCCAIN: Because the vice president did not send Ambassador Wilson to Niger.
    MATTHEWS: No, but he raised the question to the CIA.
    MCCAIN: And Mr.--Ambassador Wilson said that the vice president did.
    MATTHEWS: OK.
    (CROSSTALK)
    MATTHEWS: Right.
    MCCAIN: Yes. Yes.
    MATTHEWS: But he did raise the question, and the CIA sent somebody down to check on it.
    MCCAIN: He did say that.
    MATTHEWS: Nobody ever said he authorized the trip. They said that--
    I thought Wilson's argument was that the vice president raised the question about this purchase of uranium ore from the government of Niger.
    MCCAIN: My understanding...
    (CROSSTALK)
    MATTHEWS: And the CIA then subsequently sent Wilson down there to check it out.
    MCCAIN: My understanding is that Wilson intimated that it was the vice president that sent him there.
    MATTHEWS: Well, that's a hard case to make.

    Consider now a part of the testimony Larry Johnson gave today:

    At the end of the day we are left with these facts. We went to war in Iraq on the premise that Saddam was reacquiring weapons of mass destruction. Joe Wilson was sent on a mission to Niger in response to a request initiated by the Vice President. Joe Wilson supplied information to the CIA that supported other reports debunking the claim that Saddam was trying to buy yellow cake uranium from Niger. When Joe went public with his information, which had been corroborated by the CIA in April 2003, the response from the White House was to call him a liar and spread the name of his wife around.

    The campaign to discredit Joe Wilson by false innuendo continues. We need to fight back with a public challenge to statements such as that made by Senator McCain last night. We need to make this public challenge in letters to the editor and in letters to our own representatives in Congress. We need to send a message to the RNC and to Senator McCain: THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS.

    I used to live in the United States of America. Now I live in a homeland.

    by homeland observer on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 01:55:47 PM PDT

  •  Some Bolton speculation (4.00)
    Like many other Kossacks, I was surprised at how vigorously (and effectively!) Reid and other Dem Senators fought the Bolton nomination.

    This revelation about his possible Plame involvement gives me hope that Reid and his crew are thinking long term and outside-the-box as they craft strategy and tactics.

    Kudos, Mr. Reid, and dems on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

  •  the one thing Segretti failed to teach young Karl (4.00)
    Aides go to jail on conspiracy to obstruct justice charges, Presidents are unindicted co-conspirators.

    Maybe Segretti thought it was too obvious to need pointing out.

    "Once in a while you get shown the light In the strangest of places if you look at it right"

    by molly bloom on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 01:58:11 PM PDT

  •  Perjury. Obstruction. War Crimes. Lies. (none)
    some angry fucking chickens are comming home to roost. Did I mention they are some really fucking pissed of chickens?

    Going to a DSM-Treason-gate townhall meeting tomorrow. The first political event I've ever been to.

    "Blogging doesn't make it so" - Rep. Hayworth (R) AZ 1/6/2005. Oh yeah?

    by bejammin075 on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 01:59:26 PM PDT

  •  Luckovich Cartoon (none)

    "Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed." General Buck Turgidson

    by muledriver on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 02:00:59 PM PDT

  •  whoa (none)
    In all honesty, this shit is blowing my mind. Just...whoa.

    You know it's all beginning to feel like it's ending.

    by hstokes on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 02:02:10 PM PDT

  •  I wonder what evidece Judge Tatel saw (4.00)
    to make him talk about "the plot against Wilson" in his concurring opinion upholding holding Miller and Cooper in contempt?
  •  Time to start a betting pool (4.00)
    for "timely" events to keep this off the front page.

    For instance,
    ...they "find" Osama?
    ...another blond girl disappears?
    ...they report "chatter" about a terrorist attack on the U.S.?
    ...we get attacked? doesn't have to be a big attack to do the trick.

  •  John Bolton's Yellowcake (4.00)
    Recent post in Hunter's diary -

    Remember the "yellowcake from Niger"?
    by Ray McGovern

    What role did John Bolton play in the Bush administration's efforts to manufacture the intelligence needed to justify the invasion of Iraq? As it turns out, a hidden but important role. Remember the "yellowcake from Niger"?

    Briefly reported last week in Steve Clemons' The Washington Note was that a Congressional subcommittee, citing a State Department inspector general's report, found that Bolton ordered and received updates on the notorious "Fact Sheet" of Dec. 19, 2002, that claimed Iraq had been trying to procure uranium "yellowcake" from Niger. In other words, John Bolton played a key role in ordering that discredited intelligence be used to support the president's case for war, three months before the attack on Iraq.

    A Plan to Fix the Facts

    [...]

    ~~~

  • Latest Diary London Bombing @ Daily Kos ◊ by new creve coeur

    ~~~

  • Oui - Liberté - Egalité - Fraternité

    by new creve coeur on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 02:11:22 PM PDT

  •  I only have one word to say: (none)

    "Splooooooooosh!!!!!!"
  •  BUSH and CHENEY MUST PAY FOR THIS (4.00)
    I am waiting for The Moment when Someone Up There says out loud:

    Rove and Libby work FOR, speak FOR, and represent their respective bosses, BUSH (ptttu) and CHENEY (pttu). Rove and Libby (and the rest of the assorted villains) are not acting in a vacuum. They are not acting on their own maniacal behalfs.

    They are working for Bush. They are working for Cheney.

    They are working in tandem. All of them. They have all committed high acts of treason agaainst our nation.

    Firing Rove and Libby is not the answer.

    Give me a president that does not sell secrets, give me a president that does not sell my nation to the highest bidders, give me a president that does not engage in espionage, give me a president I can trust to serve and protect our country first and foremost and for always.

    Until that day, our nation is at risk, our nation is in danger, and our lives are one memo away from destruction at all levels.

  •  Tonight tells the tale (none)
    We all know that most middle Americans still watch the big three nightly news shows.  Let's see how they cover it,  I'm still very afraid that because so many members of the MSM are vulnerable here that they will bury it if they can or play it as politics.
  •  How could Bush NOT Know What Was Discussed? (none)
    As high as this goes, the question (again) has to be asked-- WHAT DID THE PRESIDENT KNOW AND WHEN DID HE KNOW IT?
    How could all this be discussed on Air Force One without Dubya knowing about it? And if Dubya's involved, he must be impeached and removed from office.
  •  Marcinkowski (none)
    really nailed it today at the Senate hearing when he said, "Anyone, short of a criminal" as a way to describe the bar that Bush has set for someone to be in this administration.
  •  Fortress of Suddenly Discovered Integrity (none)
    ... joining Judith Miller in her Fortress of Suddenly Discovered Integrity.

    ROTFLMAO.  Outstanding.

    This is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.

    by socal on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 02:34:49 PM PDT

  •  Karen Hughes Anyone? (none)
    I suspect that Ms. Hughes is up to her neck in this trash mound. Perhaps Bush thinks appointing her to the diplomatic core (and perhaps sending her to Uzbekistan or some such far far away place) will keep her from causing even more damage to his turd blossom. Ahhh isn't it just dandy when the chickens come home to roost? Good ol chickens. :-)
  •  Amicus brief ... (none)
    Can anyone enlighten me about this amicus brief filed by 36 major news organizations and prepared by Victoria Toensing and the law firm of Baker and Hostetler. It appears the conservative folks are talking about this as justification that news organizations don't believe Plame is covert. I find it fishy but I don't know enough so can anyone enlighten me. A gloating Republican friend (yes I have them)cited this from the brief:

    At the threshold, an agent whose identity has been revealed must truly be "covert" for there to be a violation of the Act. To the average observer, much less to the professional intelligence operative, Plame was not given the "deep cover" required of a covert agent. ... She worked at a desk job at CIA headquarters, where she could be seen traveling to and from, and active, at Langley. She had been residing in Washington -- not stationed abroad for a number of years. ... [T]he CIA failed to take even its usual steps to prevent publication of her name.

    http://www.bakerlaw.com/files/tbl_s10News/FileUpload44/10159/Amici%20Brief%20032305%20(Final).PDF

  •  Is Bushco Rover? (none)
     and don't forget, "I will restore honor and dignity to the White House"
  •  Hey Karl Rove! (none)
    Got Yellowcake?
  •  Does Anyone Else Think. . . (4.00)
    . . . that this could reach the point where Bush would have Alberto Gonzalez fire Fitzgerald and use "national security" as the excuse?

    I have this vision of the White House actually getting to the point where they would do this, then spinning it and telling people that they had to do it because information that was leaking out of the investigation was helping "the terrorists" or "evil-doers" or whatever catch-all phrase he cares to use in yet another effort to scare the hell out of the American people, all while covering his own political ass and (once again) failing to accept responsibility for anything.

    In short, we'd have another Saturday Night Massacre, although we sadly live in an era where not one single Republican would give a damn.

    These guys will do whatever is necessary to hold power, including kicking the Constitution to the curb.

    Could this really happen?

  •  well it's still too bad (none)
    that the 24/7 cable networks are still obsessing over the flop London terror attack after these earthshattering revelations.
  •  Correct classification (none)
    Hunter,
      I think the correct classification of the State Department memo you allude to that Ari Fleischer alledgely "perused" was SECRET, not TOP SECRET, as you suggest in your essay.  It's a minor point but there is a difference.

      Interesting post!  Thanks,

    A Silent Cacophony

  •  I'm really afraid their (none)
    that if they can't turn Ari, the Rove and Libby defense will be that Ari leaked it to a reporter (probably Judith Miller, since she's not talking) and both Rove and Libby got the info from that reporter thus leaving them free to claim that they didn't know she was NOC, yada, yada.  

    I don't think Fitzgerald has enough for even a perjury charge.  Right now, it seems to be a 'he said - he said' case.  Not enough to bring down someone from the WH.  They need hard evidence, a paper trail of some kind.  Without it, I'm afraid that it will all come to nothing.  Ari maybe screwed but I don't see a air-tight case against the others.

    Please, someone tell me why I'm wrong about this.  And please don't just repeat to me their offenses.  I know what they did. You know what they did. But there is a hell of a lot of differance between knowing someone is guilty and being able to prove it in a court of law.  

  •  Here's what bothers me... (none)
    It's only been a few days since the Supreme Court nominee was hurriedly announced in an attempt to get Karl Rove off the front pages. Since then, all hell has broken loose.
    Why didn't they nominate a wingnut? If Bushco is worried about the headlines, then they should have rounded up the battiest anti-abortion judge they could find, even if they knew he or she couldn't pass muster in confirmation. The resulting furor among the Democrats, women's groups, environmentalists, et al would have given rise to a new story every day until confirmation began. Judge Roberts, the stealth judge, doesn't have enough judicial history to merit sustained press discussion to carry the administration through until the court confirmation proceedings in September.

    I mean it's not this administration's style to whiff on a chance to deflect media attention, whether it's terror alerts, celebrity trials or character assassination leaks. Any ideas about the SCOTUS nomination strategy are welcome...

    "Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win."
    -Sun-tzu, The Art of War.

    by I like Ike on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 02:59:18 PM PDT

  •  Take One For The Team Or... (none)
    This is an admin of every man for himself Type A personalities.  When push comes to shove will one of these self-absorbed liars be willing to fall on his sword to save all the others and will Fitzgerald buy it?  Or, will they act like the pack of pit vipers we know them to be?
  •  The administration strategy ... (none)
    ... is to seed doubts and confusion.

    1. Was Valerie Plame an active NOC agent?
    2. Was the work she was doing valuable?
    3. Was she maneuvering against the administration, being illoyal?
    4. Wasn't she active years ago?
    5. Wasn't she acting on her own?
    6. Her identity had already been outed, and her role as a CIA agent was "well known".
    7. Even her neighbors knew this.

    etc.

    All indicates one thing.
    They know they will be stuck with having revealed her identity - now they are working hard to diminish the impression of the apparent harm done.

    BTW - this isn't Rovegate or Plamegate. It's Iraqgate or Wargate.

    "I don't do quagmires, and my boss doesn't do nuance."

    by SteinL on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 03:13:21 PM PDT

  •  Hmmm... RICO, anyone? (none)
    Multiple conspiracies... perjury...

    Sounds like a viable RICO prosecution.

    (For the 2-3 who don't know, RICO is Racketeer-Influenced and Corrupt Organizations, what  Rudy Guiliani used to go after the Mafia).

  •  Yes, the stink is getting more emphatic. (none)
    Pretty soon it's going to be hard to cover up the rot that is causing it. Love the Norman Rockwell reference! Interestingly enough, I've been in my car off and on many times today with NPR on and they are ablolutely glued to the London bombings. I missed the 8-9 morning hour but haven't heard a peep about this or any other vital news story, for that matter.

    "If you don't know where you are going, you might not get there." --Yogi Berra

    by vlogger on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 03:33:29 PM PDT

  •  pardon me (none)
    If anybody is indicted, Bush will declare the indictments "politicized," will pardon everybody involved to prevent a trial, and will weeather the resulting political storm.  The storm will last about two weeks on the major networks (except CNN, which will turn back to the Aruba case after three days).  After two weeks of demanding answers and not getting any, the press and Democrats will run out of things to say and turn their attention to other matters (such as the baseball playoffs).

    Mark my words.

  •  Looks Like (none)
    Herr Rove's bullshit strategy (oft used by psychopaths) i.e. "I'm the victim here" just went down in flames.

    Rove sucks donkey dicks.

  •  With any luck (none)

    With any luck, Fitzgerald won't have to prove conspiracy by way of how the stories of the ringleaders reinforce each other but conflict eith the stories of the reporters.

    Sometime, one of the lower-ranked participants in the conspiracy will break and turn state's evidence. Then the shit will truly hit the fan for Rove.

  •  Thompson and Durkin on MTP Sunday!! (none)
    Think Timmy doesn't want to get himself involved with this week's revelations??  
    Nothing tonite on Brian Williams regarding Rovegate!!  Effing amazing!!!!!
  •  Tenet? (none)
    Was he involved, or did he know something? Why did he leave? Anyone?

    "You're working hard to put food on your family." - George W. Bush

    by flashlass on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 04:00:01 PM PDT

  •  Suspicious timing (none)
    Could it be more than a coincidence the Ari Fleischer left the White House the week after the Plame leak?

    His last press briefing was July 14, 2003. The first mention of the Novak column was aked of McClellan on  7/22.

    Makes you wonder, eh?

  •  PASS ALONG THIS ARTICLE TO OTHERS (none)
    This article "Plame Floodgates..." rocks!  It does an excellent yet concise job of encompassing the breadth of legal trouble the Bush White House is in, the number of Bushies involved, and the greater political implications.  This is a recommended read for any Democrat, and, in fact, anyone who actually cares about this country and the constitutional law which guides it.  I have no idea who "Hunter" is, but pass this article on to others who are following this scandal -- it's a very insightful read.  
  •  Can one be pardoned (none)
    without first being convicted?
  •  This reminds me of a song... (none)

    (Yes, I know I'm dropping a syllable. German's a tough language; it can handle it.)

    Schadenfreude, Schadenfreude
    Been so long since I've seen thee
    Unemployed, life destroyed,
    He deserves it so keenly.

    Blossom of Turd may your spotlight glow,
    Shining on your blunder,
    Schadenfreude, Schadenfreude
    Sink you seven feet under.

    Yes, yes, thanks. I won't quit the day jobs.

    -fred

  •  Stay Focused (none)
    This whole thing isn't (at heart) about PLame, this is about Uranium and lies and going to war for still unknown reasons.
  •  view from across the pond (none)
    Rupert Cornwall from The Independent has, as you would expect from Europe, his own jaded perspective about Rovegate, but is with you in reminding us about the dirty lies about Iraq at the seamy underbelly of it all:

    http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article300731.ece

    Of course, it's a given that Rove, Dumbya and Cheney are sociopaths who think they can do anything and get away with it, to speak of root causes....

  •  Fitzgerald (none)
    Why anyone in here really thinks Rove's hand picked Special P. Mr. Fitzgerald is going to do squat to these klowns is beyond me? I won't be surprised if Mr. Fitzgerald ends up indicting Bill Clinton.

    "It's better to die on your feet then live on your knees"

    by Blutodog on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 04:46:53 PM PDT

  •  Better than sex (none)
    Just got home from a grueling day at work, 97 degrees outside the beltway, three hour sleep and a gazillion things to do starting ten minutes ago.

    And then I read this and my toes are curling and a broad smile takes over my face.

    O man. O man O man. This is agonna be a GREAT weekend. ::huge grin:::

    When Jesus said love your enemies, I'm pretty sure he meant don't kill them.

    by donailin on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 04:57:33 PM PDT

  •  SO (none)
    This explains why they flat out refuse to hand over the list of names of which Bolton requested files for... I am willing to bet my life savings that Valery Plame or Joe Wilson or BOTH are on that list. This guy's connected - conspiracy, anyone?
  •  CSPAN right now, 8 east, 5 west (none)
    Watch the Traitor-gate hearings right now on CSPAN. While it was aired live only on CSPAN 3, it is now on the biggie, CSPAN 1!

    The Bush administration is a Travesty of a Mockery of a Sham!

    by Bailey Savings and Loan on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 05:09:07 PM PDT

  •  Hang Them All (none)
    I volunteer to begin construction of a gallows on the White house lawn.

    We can start with that fat nazi pig Cheney and continue until about 10 war criminals are swinging in the breeze.

    The charges are war crimes and treason.

            gator

  •  Crooks and Liars (none)
    http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/07/22.html#a4088
    has some video posted. Tomorrow there will be a nice video round-up from the hearings
  •  Video-Joe Wilson on Olbermann (none)
  •  Kudos from AmericaBlog (none)
     Excellent update about RoveGate over at Kos
    by John in DC - 7/22/2005 08:46:00 PM

    They've done a great job of synthesizing the latest over the past 24 hours, what it means, hyperlinks to sources, etc. Check it out. And they're right. Things are getting very bed for the administration. Couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of arrogant liars.

    http://americablog.blogspot.com/2005/07/excellent-update-about-rovegate-over.html

    Rove's America: Thieving, Treason & Torture Inc.

    by lawnorder on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 07:49:44 PM PDT

  •  I have a bad feeling about this (none)
    I'd love to see these guys get sent up the creek, but I get a feeling they're going to wiggle. Short of video or audio tape of them snickering about their dirty tricks, these guys are gonna stonewall and wait it out, hoping the public's ant size attention span lets this one die, like it did with the missing ammo from  Iraq, Abu Ghraib, etc. And I get a feeling Fitzgerald's report will be something akin to the 9/11 report: A slap on the wrist that EVERYONE was at fault and we should all learn to get along so we can do a better job. That kind of b.s. Yeah. I'm fed up. But it just seems like Bush is the Teflon President, with the media and right wing America locked up in his corner. Hell, the guy invaded a country and got thousands of people killed on imaginary evidence, and he got re-elected!
  •  More (none)
    NOC NOC!
    WHO'S THERE?
    KARL ROVE!
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