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Check out this ad airing now on Crawford cable TV.  This is by far the most politically effective anti-Iraq war statement I have ever seen.  Cindy, Cindy's words, and the camera. Nothing else.

Pure heart-wrenching pain:

"He was only 24 and he died in his best friend's arms," Sheehan says in the ad, directed at President Bush. "Casey was so good and so honest why can't you be honest with us?"

"You were wrong about the weapons of mass destruction-you were wrong about the link between Iraq and Al Qaeda--you lied to us and because of your lies my son died," she ads.

I don't blubber easily, but this ad started to make me tear up a little.

Originally posted to pontificator on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 10:12 AM PDT.

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  •  Tears.... (4.00)
    Holy f'ing s'....
    •  you said it already (none)
      so a 4 for you..and a recommend

      The only Bush I trust is my own - I want my freaking democracy back!

      by mytribe on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 10:18:24 AM PDT

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    •  I blubber easily (none)
      Thowing a big boohoo here just from the description of the ad.  Wow.  

      Wes Clark, Proud Democrat for President 2008

      by Geronimo on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 12:12:11 PM PDT

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    •  It's a great ad. (none)
      And unlike the Swift Boaters doesn't contain outright falsehoods and slanders.

      However it goes after a GOP President, not a Democratic nominee for President.  Which means the media will probably ignore it.

      It is a very mixed blessing to be brought back from the dead.

      by Steven D on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 03:11:16 PM PDT

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    •  My God. Talk about powerful (none)
      Viewing that ad not only made me cry, it hit like a punch right in my heart. I cannot IMAGINE what it would be like to lose a child. That thought alone terrifies me, has caused me to wake in a cold sweat and go check my sleeping child, and without a doubt makes me more protective than I want to be of my only daughter.

      Cindy Sheehan is an amazing woman, and she is my hero.

      "Poverty or wealth can make all the differences in securing the substance or only the shadow of constitutional protections." -Wiley Rutlidge

      by asimbagirl on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 06:13:56 PM PDT

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  •  National? (4.00)
    Can't we raise the money to have this go national?  It needs to be seen everywhere, not just Crawford.

    If the Dem party really wants to take back our country, how about the major orgs, DNC, DCCC, etc, cough up some dough?

    "But your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore"--Prine Pay attention Georgie - 1840+ dead Americans, 100,000+ dead Iraqis, all on your head. WWJS?

    by Miss Blue on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 10:18:57 AM PDT

    •  Don't worry! (4.00)
      Remember how the swift boat ad was just a small buy that got played over and over on news programs. This is probably the best $15.000 ever spent.

      I am a lifelong Texan and you ain't going to take away my right to say ain't.

      by Tomtech on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 10:25:51 AM PDT

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    •  This ad deserves a fundraiser (4.00)
      I would contribute.
    •  Hold On: One Concern (3.80)
      Like everyone else, I think this is an extremely powerful ad.  However, I think two issues need to be carefully distinguished.  Holding the administration accountable for the lies it used (and continues to use) to justify the invasion, war, and occupation is one thing; bringing the troops home is another.  Not everyone within the anti-war camp believes bringing the troops home is the best available solution, so you can imagine there's similar disagreement in the larger segment of our society.  

      And guess what?  The complicated foreign policy question of "whether or not to withdraw troops" is exactly how the White House is positioning itself in relation to the (for them) embarrassing sight in Crawford. For example:

      "Listen, I sympathize with Mrs. Sheehan," Bush told reporters. "She feels strongly about her position. And she has every right in the world to say what she believes. This is America." He said he has thought "long and hard" about her demand to "get out of Iraq now" and strongly disagreed, saying a premature withdrawal would betray the Iraqis just as they are being trained to defend themselves and allow for a U.S. pullout.

      Bringing in the policy issue just gives the White House a way out, from a PR standpoint.

      Beyond that, I think inclusion of the demand to "bring the troops home" undermines the effectiveness of the ad.  If you're a skeptical viewer beginning to feel compassion for a mother's loss of her son, hearing a policy proposal with which you disagree provides an opportunity for you to stop thinking about Cindy's loss and start thinking about your political differences. And differences about foreign policy are tangential to what this ad is about, namely, accountability.

      "You can't talk to the ignorant about lies, since they have no criteria." --Ezra Pound

      by machopicasso on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 11:42:06 AM PDT

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      •  i agree (none)
        but unfortunately, i have no proactive solution for the antiwar movement.
        •  after futher viewing (4.00)
          incredibly powerful, if they left out the 'pull out the troops' i think it could be in the league of some of the greatest political ads of all time.
          •  Pulling out the troops.... (4.00)
            ...isn't that the solution to the problem? The problem being: our kids (not to mention Iraqi kids) are being KILLED...and FOR WHAT?? At this point, WHAT are we trying to do in Iraq? Stabilize it? We need alot more troops & money to do that. Shall we send MORE kids to be killed?


            You want our kids to be killed? No? Then bring them home. You cannot say "I don't want any more American troops killed in this pointless, lie-built war" and then say, "But they have to stay there, for now" Because if they stay, more will be killed. You cannot have it both ways.

            •  Agreed 100% (none)
              There's not much point to being against a war if you don't want it ended.
              •  How 'bout demaning answers to what is (4.00)
                being done about Osama bin Ladin - the real enemy in this "War on Terror"?  

                Bush asked yesterday what message pulling out will give to 'the enemy'.  Why don't we ask him which enemy?  

                What if we are hit again while we are still bogged down in Iraq?  Isn't that a valid question that we should ask repeatedly of this idiot?  What troops will he send?  What money will be allocated?  How many more innocents will die in Iraq while Osama/Al Qaeda plots his next attack???

                Seriously?!  What WILL this administration do if we get hit by the real terrorists while Bush is still fucking up in Iraq?

                Doesn't that possibility need addressing?  I can't believe Dems don't turn the 'mission' and the 'enemy' questions to this at every opportunity!

                I think this is the time to hammer him with questions about Osama, and at the same time use the media coverage to wake up those Americans who are still confused over who we should really be fighting....

              •  Yes you can, (none)
                if like myself and Dean, one of the main reasons you were against the thing in the first place is what is happening now. Iraq is not Vietnam in one important way, what happens after we leave has the potential to effect all our lives in a big way. If it blows up it might prove to be the fuse that ignites the whole middle east. With none OPEC sources of oil in frank decline, an event like that would rocket the world into a depression of a likes not seen since 1928. Except this time, we arn't likely to recover. Course, the things that might help, like giving up control and telling the niehbors we are leaving this mess to you, are not going to happen either.

                Problem? We have a wolf by the ears.... JUST AS WE TOLD HIM WOULD HAPPEN!!! Sorry to shout, but it is SO frustrating.

                We are all wearing the blue dress now.

                by PLS on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 04:09:43 PM PDT

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            •  I say (none)
              let every soldier and marine come home that wants to...and let the neocons and their children fill the ranks instead.

              We know through painful experience that freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed. -MLK

              by JLFinch on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 04:48:22 PM PDT

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          •  No... (none)
            We want the war to end gradually, and for Americans to see how Bush got us in there.

            But pulling out the troops right now right away would be bery bad for Iraq. There would be civil war, and chaos. We need a gradual pullout. See Kucinich's ideas when he was running. (90 days). I think a bit longer is more realistic, but yeah..

            •  And what do we tell... (none)
              ...the parents of American kids who get killed in Iraq during this "gradual pullout"?? Once the troops begin to leave, the situation for those remaining on duty becomes ever more dangerous.

              Will you volunteer to go there and help keep the insurgents under control during the "gradual pullout"?

              •  Logisitcally, that's our only option (none)
                We can't pull all the troops out at once -- it's just not physically possible.

                So like it or not, if Bush decided tomorrow to bring all the troops home, it would be probably a month, at least, before it was possible for all of them to BE home.

                We only have so many planes. There are only so many places (safe places) to land them. They can't all leave at one time.

                •  Sure, 'all at once' can't be take too literally (none)
                  But how about over 3 weeks?  That's how long it took for them to go in, there's no reason they can't get out just as quickly.

                  And I must say, it's head-shakingly baffingly how there are so many posters on this thread who say that 'immediate' withdrawal will make things worse for the Iraqi's - I'm most interested to find out what color the sky is on these people's planet.

                  •  Well, of course... (none)
                    ...they cannot all depart on the same day. But surely over the course of a month. I am just saying that a year-long withdrawal period will be very dangerous, exposing the troops that remain to further violence.

                    Hopefully when the Iraqis see our troops leaving they will let it happen.

                    When all is said and done, I would not want to be among the last to leave. If we hadn't gone blustering into Iraq in the first place, none of this would be an issue.

                    Bush caused the problem; I don't think he can solve it.

                    •  Suppose it will end up like Vietman (none)
                      With some long-remembered pictures (if they're allowed to be released) of the very last troops being helicoptered off the tallest building in the Green Zone.

                      BTW, what happened to the predicted bloodbath in VietNam after the US left?  

                      Oh, wait - things actually got better - I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.

            •  There already IS civil war and chaos (4.00)
              Example:  this week's overthrow of the Baghdad mayor.  

              And the attacks are against American soldiers or those who are working with American soldiers.  And American contractors.

              Pull out the American soldiers and the American contractors . . . and you might have peace.

      •  Similar sentiment (none)
        Was just posted by Michael Reynolds here.

        The most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen & Stupidity - Harlan Ellison

        by Cantankerous Bitch on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 11:56:53 AM PDT

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      •  Withdrawal (none)
        You have two alternatives.

        1. Try to push for withdrawal of the troops, a difficult, uphill battle which will require the American public to force their representatives in Washington to listen to them.

        2. Leave the troops in place, with George Bush and his administration in charge.

        There is no middle ground. There's no way to make the incremental change to just "run the war better".

        Running the Vietnam War better was Nixon's strategy in 1968. That didn't work out so good.

        So which option do you choose?

        Those who do not learn from history are stupid. --darrelplant

        by darrelplant on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 12:02:10 PM PDT

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        •  is it just me (none)
          or does that kind of rhetoric sound familiar?
          •  Pragmatic (none)
            Sometimes a test does have a right and wrong answer. On the other hand, unlike some, I'm willing to listen.

            I can see just leaving things the way they are in Iraq. Democratic leaders have done that for the pasty couple of years already.

            I can see a way -- if Democratic leadership begins to expose the administration for the pack of liars that they are -- that public opinion might shift to the point where the Republicans see the writing on the wall. It's a gamble.

            I don't understand how anyone's going to be able to make a viable case that we should have gone into Iraq, that our presence there is making things better, yet force major changes in operations prior to the next possible points at which Congress or the White House can change hands.

            But if you have a plan, as opposed to a bunch of hot air, I'm all ears. I don't want to see iraq devolve further. But I don't trust the administration to keep that from happening. I don't know why you or the Democratic members of Congress do.

            Those who do not learn from history are stupid. --darrelplant

            by darrelplant on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 12:33:53 PM PDT

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            •  There's the rub ... (4.00)
              If we had a Kerry administration (or in my dreams a Clark administration) then I'd be far more inclined to trust a more gradual plan, if that's what they proposed.

              But this administration has lost all entitlement it ever had to my trust.

              •  Diary This (none)

                 I think your thoughts are worth expanding and expounding on.

                 You hit the nail on the head:  I would've trusted a Kerry or Clark, or Dean, or Graham, or Edwards Admin to 1 put at least halfway competent planners in charge of things, and that includes listening to the non-brownnoser Generals; and, 2 do the right thing because it's the right thing -- not dash from foul-up to foul-up playing CYA games ad nauseum.  There would be no Rove, no Cheney, no Rumsfeld . . .

                 So, if it was a more gradual draw-down, then, at least I'd feel like they were trying their damn best to do it the right way.  If it was a "we're-outa-here!" thing over the course of 6-8 weeks, then I'd know, or at least believe, that this was in the best national interest and in the interest of our forces.



                . . . religion is not a syllogism, but a poem. H.L. Mencken

                by BenGoshi on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 01:27:34 PM PDT

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                •  Furrin Aid (none)
                  The sad thing is, though he was ridiculed for it by the Republicans and the media, I believe Kerry was absolutely correct when he said he could get other nations to contribute to the rebuilding effort in Iraq. To do so, however, he would have had to share planning, strategy, and operational control with the partners in a revised coalition of countries who wanted to make sure Iraq didn't fall apart. Bush wasn't about to share control, and nobody was going to step up and put their hands into his meat grinder and trust him not to crank the handle.

                  Those who do not learn from history are stupid. --darrelplant

                  by darrelplant on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 02:30:24 PM PDT

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                  •  What the Kool Aid drinkers didn't get... (none)

                     . . . or didn't want to get is the simple truth that foreign leaders (and their respective citizenries) will more likely support (in $$$, manpower, materials, conduct, etc.) those Presidents with whom they get along well, and are less likely to give to those Presidents whom they believe act like 9 year old spoiled brats.  Jeepers, what a concept.


                    . . . religion is not a syllogism, but a poem. H.L. Mencken

                    by BenGoshi on Sat Aug 13, 2005 at 06:58:57 AM PDT

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          •  regarding the rhetoric (none)
            His/her with-us-or-with-them phrasing is in fact unfortunate but, unfortunately, in this case there is some truth to it, though not the one you are suggesting.  Iraq is lost.  Most serious and disinterested security experts have been in agreement about this for a while now.  The question now is only who does the pullout, when, how, and after how many casualties.  I don't know if it's good politics or not to make this case (probably yes: not sure people will trust Democrats to run a better war; probably not: people don't like bearers of bad news).  But, in all honesty, I don't care.  It's the truth and it needs to be faced, before we all lose our souls.
      •  Maybe (none)
        or maybe a viewer just might start to wonder if they're on the wrong side of the policy issues.

        There's only one sane answer. Bring the home. Now.

      •  I agree, it gives him a way to distract (none)
        and change the subject.

        MAYBE if it ended saying something like this?

        "Why won't you tell the truth? Why do you tell lies?
        You need to tell me the TRUTH, you need to tell ALL of our people the truth.

         You need to stop the lies so we can fix things and get our children home as soon as possible.

         Its the CHRISTIAN thing to do...Its the RIGHT thing to do."

      •  except that (none)
        talk of withdrawal is on the table.  slated for 2006, which is but 5 months away.  even if they mean 2006 a year from now, what is really the difference?

        i mean, besides the fewer lives lost to 'My Pet War'...

        •  There was talk of withdrawal in 2006... (none)
          ...there was also a news story last week about sending 30,000 more troops over.

          Bush doesn't know what he's one in charge of any aspect of this war knows anything. No one knows why we are there now or why our kids keep getting killed.

          Most people, I would suspect even the dumbest wing-nuts, realize now deep down that the reasons for invading Iraq were fabricated. They may never admit it, and they will continue to bluster about patriotism etc. but only the radically moronic would say that our being there is wise. If we leave, will there be a civil war? Most likely. So is our purpose now to prevent a civil war in Iraq? Is that worth American blood?
          How much blood? And for how long?

          I have a feeling that a year from now...and two years from now...we will be writing the same sort of messages here; the death toll will continue to rise and we will continue to look on in helpless dismay.

      •  that is her mission though (none)
        That is what her protest is all about.  The GSFP org wants troops home immediately.  I see your point, though.

        Ken Salazar (D-CO), who said he'll vote for the Flag Desecration Amendment, needs to hear from us.

        by OLinda on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 01:12:13 PM PDT

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      •  I wholeheartedly disagree (none)
        whether or not it makes sense, it doesn't hurt to ask to bring the troops home.  It's a good negotiation posture.  And, whether or not it makes sense, it's an extraordinarily relevent, heartfelt desire on the mind of this woman.  It's part of her message.  Don't deny her that based on whether or not the troops should come home.

        Don't "Hold on."  Let her get her message out. Holding on would be ludicrous while we stand in awe of the most persuasive video -- that speaks the truth in no uncertain terms about the lies that got us where we are -- that I have ever seen.  You're throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

        Thank you, Cindy Sheehan.


        by Bob on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 02:37:29 PM PDT

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        •  I think you've misunderstood much of what I wrote. (none)
          First, I'm not "denying" Cindy Sheehan anything; she can say what she wants, and I'll probably agree with 98% of what she says. I was merely responding to someone else's suggestion that Cindy's powerful ad be given national exposure. I think the ad would be extremely effective, and I was suggesting how it might be improved so as to be more effective.

          Second, it's wrong to say I'm "throwing out the baby with the bathwater". The essence of Cindy's message in the ad is accountability, both for the lies on which the war was premised and for the administration's management of the war since the invasion; or, in your words, "the lies that got us where we are". But that's a different issue from demanding an immediate withdrawl, and I think running the two themes together would ultimately compromise the effectiveness of her message.

          Of course, you're welcome to disagree with my thesis, but designating as "marginal" a constructive suggestion with which you disagree is a poor way to express disagreement.

          "You can't talk to the ignorant about lies, since they have no criteria." --Ezra Pound

          by machopicasso on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 04:57:48 PM PDT

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          •  My thoughts about Cindy's approach earlier (none)
            in the day before I had a chance to view the ad follow your views of the degree of the ad's effectiveness.
            Ms. Sheehan's pursuit of justice has gotten much more attention as the week has gone on, and I thought both sides of the issue were determined yesterday, as those who were informed of her position, about a conflict built on lies, and the president's response, to stay the course, then left the ball in her court, so to speak.
            My thought was that she could garner large support for her position (and presumptive troop withdrawal) with a delicate balance in speaking further on the matter .
            This ad is effective enough, but as you suggest,  the policy implications at the conclusion don't exactly conform to her purpose for staying in Crawford.
      •  Cindy Sheehan Does Not Carry Water (none)
        for the Democrats, her objective is to stop getting miltary familes' destroyed by an irresponsible fuckwit in an illegal war.

        If the Dems want to make the case for getting the troops out on political, moral, ethical, economic etc grounds, that's their fucking job, it isn't her job to do the work of the damned democrats who appear, so far to be incapable of wiping their own arses, some occasional abberations excepted.

        But criticising Cindy Sheehan for NOT serving the Dem political machine is out of line.

  •  Having trouble (none)
    with Quicktime, no sound coming out.  Can anyone tell me how to fix it?  It seems to happen a lot with Quicktime, had a hard time getting Media Matters Novak clip to play when it was posted.
  •  You kid me noT! (none)
    ... how many tears are shed in Iraq?

    ......for the freedom ...of corporate greed.

    Unless our conception of patriotism is progressive, it cannot hope to embody the real affection and the real interest of the nation. ---Jane Addams

    by Orj ozeppi on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 10:22:36 AM PDT

  •  Holding breath... (4.00)
    I just want to remember this day, and what it feels like.

    Bring them home. Now.

    by ilona on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 10:24:33 AM PDT

    •  and for the coming days ... (none)
      ... to mount as a great tsunami, to wash these thugs...
       out of the halls of our capital.

      Unless our conception of patriotism is progressive, it cannot hope to embody the real affection and the real interest of the nation. ---Jane Addams

      by Orj ozeppi on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 10:54:11 AM PDT

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  •  In this Age of Slickness... (4.00)
    nothing is as powerful as simple honesty.

    Very strong ad.

    This is CLASS WAR, and the other side is winning.

    by Mr X on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 10:25:03 AM PDT

  •  Wait. Wait. Who is PAYING for the ads? (none)
  •  Any way to take the ad national??? (none)
  •  hope this goes nationwide (4.00)
    like our "buddies" the swift boat idiots, there's not enough money to get this out the regular commercial way, by buying air time directly. Gold Star Families For Peace coughed up the $15k to get this on cable in crawford. a nationwide buy would waste enough money to fund dozens of paul hackett-type campaigns. thanks to cindy's incendiary honesty, this content speaks for itself - i predict it'll be all over the media this weekend. for free.
  •  Can't see it (none)
    They must have too many hits. I'll try back later. It must be good though, the comments about it on the site are great (except for a couple)

    A True US Patriot realizes if the rights of one are violated, the rights of all are at risk...

    by SisTwo on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 10:33:49 AM PDT

  •  what happened to the arrest threat? (4.00)
    they tried to scare her off with a threatened national security arrest.  why aren't we seeing outrage that they play so trivially with this country's security; it's just a club they use to beat dissenters.
  •  I'm Flabbergasted (4.00)
    Cindy is an amazingly powerful communicator. Not because she's polished or practiced. She's just true to herself and says what she feels in her heart. Wow.
  •  Show me where to donate (4.00)
    So we can get this all over the air, everywhere.  Right damn now.

    "In a republic this rule ought to be observed: that the majority should not have the predominant power." - Cicero

    by KOWALSKI on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 10:41:17 AM PDT

    •  Go here post-haste! (3.50)
      Take that feeling and go here ASAP! Donate to the Crawford Peace House.

      Bring 'em home. Now.

      by MichaelPH on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 11:26:54 AM PDT

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      •  Done (none)
        Bless her heart.

        "In a republic this rule ought to be observed: that the majority should not have the predominant power." - Cicero

        by KOWALSKI on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 11:37:11 AM PDT

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      •  Michael (none)
        is there some way other than paypal to donate?

        Any way that we can donate the same way as with the hackett donations?

        We will never end terrorism by terrorizing others -- bumper sticker on I-5

        by sara seattle on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 12:15:31 PM PDT

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      •  Might it be better (4.00)
        in this case, if one has to make a choice, to donate to Gold Star Families for Peace since they've funded the ad? Both are excellent causes, of course, and both deserve donations, but refilling GSFP's coffers might mean another ad buy.

        Just my $0.02.

        •  Gold Star Families for Peace (none)
          Link here, there was a link or a notice about donating by check. The check query was from Sara Seattle...their link wasn't working but I bet you can contact them and they'd be happy to take your donation!

          Bring 'em home. Now.

          by MichaelPH on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 12:42:04 PM PDT

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        •  agreed (none)
          i couldn't/didn't find the paypal link at when i got the impulse to donate on monday, but it's there - scroll down a bit and look on the right margin. i gave to the crawford peace house, which has cindy's blessing and is doing good work coordinating logistics and managing to accomodate the hordes of people showing up, so my donation certainly didn't go to waste. however, they're right - cindy's a co-founder of gold star families for peace and it would be better to present a smaller target to the wingnuts who attack the funding source. they're looking under every rock for george soros.
          •  I also donated to GSFP on Monday, before (none)
            there were any other paypal links or options.  I think the money donated to that organization would most likely go toward their anti-war efforts, such as this ad.  I believe Crawford Peace House funds are probably going more toward taking care of necessities for Cindy and Co. in Crawford as they arise.  Either way, the money is needed and going to important use!
  •  Cindy (4.00)
    It is amazing how much the right hate this woman -- but then again, they hate anyone who stands up and speaks their mind.  Their answer to anyone who disagrees is "shut up".  

    Keep fighting, Cindy.  Let's end the war -- now.

    •  They hate the message more than the woman (4.00)
      She just has the courage to stay there till the message gets out...

      Bush is a coward... Bush is a liar... The threats that led us to war were lies...lies and more lies...

      The Right hates the truth because it makes them look like a bunch of warmongers... and RIGHTly so.

      "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." -Martin Luther King, Jr. _______ "We will not be silent." -Howard Dean

      by jigsaw68 on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 10:47:36 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  The Republicans hate courage (4.00)
      This is why the Bush administration is flowing over with chickenhawks.  Not a real man in the bunch showing courage.

      They will rather attack behind her back
      They will rather get her family to attack her
      They find it OK that their supporters call her a whore

      Compassionate conservatives - my ass.

      We will never end terrorism by terrorizing others -- bumper sticker on I-5

      by sara seattle on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 12:12:14 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  JK might have won if he had this ad ! (4.00)
    Dems are chickens . They would not used words like lies, distortion etc...

    I was sure Rove was afraid of an ad like this one.

  •  Does anyone else here think (4.00)
    that someday there will be a chapter in our history books titled: The Mom Who Ended the War?
  •  who funded this ad? WE DID! (4.00)
    Gold Star Families for Peace's website says you can support cindy by donating to the Crawford Peace House, which i did as soon as they got their paypal link up on monday. cindy mentioned $30k raised in one of the interviews i heard a couple of days ago - it must be higher by now. i don't have direct knowlege and would appreciate input from anyone who does, but my assumption is that the donations to the Crawford Peace House are funding this. if true, it's the second time in a month i've seen immediate, visible results from a political donation - a dagger to the black, shriveled heart of this administration. i give to the national party and to my local political issues, too, but i'm frustrated and i want to get a few licks in. lately, i think i did - first paul hackett, and now cindy's ad. i guess that makes me a bad pacifist. i'll pray for forgiveness.
    •  Yeah, we did it! (4.00)
      "i give to the national party and to my local political issues, too, but i'm frustrated and i want to get a few licks in. lately, i think i did - first paul hackett, and now cindy's ad."

      I hear ya!  I donated $100 to the GSFP website 2 days ago.  Had no idea that I was helping to fund such a dynamite "weapon" in Cindy's Truth arsenal.  Wow.  That was probably the best hundred bucks I've spent in decades,   (My Paul Hackett donation runs a close second!!)

      Cindy, you rock.  And you were so powerful and resolute on The Today Show this morning, talking to Matt Lauer.  No matter how much he tried to cut you off and distract your answers.  (Note how NBC reporting made sure to get the "registered Democrat" description into their "who is Cindy" lead-in.  As if that effing matters...)

      When I read this morning that KING ARAGORN (Viggo Mortensen) had shown up in person (riding Hidalgo across the range?) to support Cindy and give her gifts, that made me stand up and cheer yet again.  Wow.  

      Whatever else you need, Cindy.  Just let us know.  We are so here for you.  <hugs>

  •  Coward (4.00)

    t r u t h o u t | One Mother's Stand
    By Scott Galindez

    Friday 12 August 2005
    11:30 AM

    Bush's motorcade went directly past us at 11:15, the crowd chanted peacefully. "


    "11:45 a.m.
    Iconoclast's Deborah Mathews reporting:

    The motorcade of about 20 vehicles just passed by on the way to the Broken Spoke. The activists chanted "Meet With Cindy," "Stop The War," and "Bring Our Troops Home." The road is blocked off to through traffic. He is due back by about 12:45 p.m. At that time the road will be reoponed.

    We are on the triangular piece of land.

    The passing was very quick, the motorcade traveling fast, 45-ish miles per hour, which is pretty fast with the curves in the road, one which is about 90 degrrees. It's just "hotter than hell out here. It's just miserable out here. But everyone is determined -- both sides."

    Seven or eight Sheriff's deputies were decked out in riot gear, the rest of the law enforcement personnel with bullet-proof vests. They are hot. It is extremely hot and humid out here, windy also.

    After the passing, the activists are "hanging around," standing around waiting.

    Officers are just standing around.

    There were no altercations of any kind. Everyone did exactly what they were asked by law enforcment personnel to do.

    It seemed intense, but was quick, a lot of waiting, then suddenly the motorcade came through. The campers are offering water to the law enforcement personnel who are also stranded here.

    About 100 people are out here, about a third of which are media, not counting law enforcement that number about 20.

    Many were holding signs, some held them next to the yellow "police line don't cross" tape stretched to bisect the triangle. It was previously illegal, off limits to stand on the triangle, but now it is where the onlookers are ordered to stand. It is unknown whether this will revert back to being illegal after the President's return to the ranch.

    The officers remain in heavy gear as they await the return of the President in an hour and a half.


    "Editor's Note: Permission is granted to reprint the information and photographs appearing in this feature about Cindy Sheehan's visit to Crawford and activities at The Peace House. Attribution would be appreciated. -- W. Leon Smith, publisher, The Lone Star Iconoclast


  •  OMFG n/t (none)

    Be a Carville, not a Colmes

    by seesdifferent on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 11:01:08 AM PDT

  •  It's the old...David and Goliah story. n/t (none)
  •  It's very powerful. I am welling up. (none)

    The Bush administration and the Republican Party think up new ways to steal from Americans every day.

    by lecsmith on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 11:08:44 AM PDT

  •  Cindy speaks for me.. (none)
    Cindy speaks for me..  'Nuff Said.
  •  I hope political TV ad consultants watch this (4.00)
    Political Bling is so 90s.

    Enough of the flags, and emotional music, and expensive V/O actors and bullshit.

    Make political ads where Real Americans speak the truth and you will win every election you run in.

    Americans are dying for a little honesty.

    •  Maybe (4.00)
      We should all start putting up our own handwritten signs and banners all across the country saying "Bush lied; thousands died. I stand with Cindy Sheehan."

      It would be a real grassroots thing to see these sprouting up all over.

      Freeway blogging, anyone?

      Of science and the human heart, there is no limit. -- Bono

      by saucy monkey on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 11:53:00 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Cindy is the face of human decency (none)
      She shows us plain honesty and sincere emotion in the Age of Lies.  Her appeal is like cool water in the desert.

      If this ad got on the networks, Bush would be gone before the year is out.

      Lies are the new truth.

      by Dallasdoc on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 12:04:08 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Truer, sadder words (none)
      were never spoken:

      Americans are dying for a little honesty.

      Speaking the truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act. - Orwell

      by TracieLynn on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 01:28:21 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  simple, direct, emotional (4.00)
    wow.  that's a powderkeg of an ad.  the mother of all messages.  

    the only way BuchCo can counter this is with fear.  Expect more talk about terror attacks on US soil and racheting up the Iran threat.  this is gonna get ugly before it gets better. or, more ugly than it already is...


  •  Plain and simple (none)
    that's all it takes.Very powerful ad!

    The truth will set you free,but first it will piss you off.

    by mint julep on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 11:10:49 AM PDT

  •  Wrenching (none)
    I wonder if Laura Bush could watch this ad and then continue to stand silently by.  Would love for one of the press detail to get to her and ask for her opinion...
    •  Great Point (4.00)
      When Bush finally makes the walk out to the gate of his compound (and it will happen), it will likely be because Laura Bush kicked his ass into being a man.
      •  don't count on laura (4.00)
        laura just stood there with that Xanax smile on her face when confronted by another Iraq Gold Star mon, Sue Niederer, in September 2004. sue asked why the bush twins didn't sign up, and the guys in dark suits and earpieces hustled her out and put some bogus charge on her - disorderly conduct or something like that. the re-election pep rally continued as if nothing had happened.
  •  OMG indeed (none)
    I don't watch TV much so this is the first time I have seen Cindy speaking. This is an incredible ad. Unaffected, level, sincere, heartbreaking.
  •  kick ass ad!!! (none)
    Cindy -- you are an amazing woman. that is really powerful and truthful. and painful.

    I have a family member who will go to Iraq soon and I just want them to stop now.  He has little kids--lots of them (5).  He's the sweetest guy. I really don't want to see this happen even if he is conservative and so somehow that means he must believe their lies. Families should not be torn apart by bush's lies. people should not have to die one day longer for his lying, corporate greed ways.  I hated reading in the paper today that he would not consider early withdraw. Okay then - send you jobless daughters BUSH!!! SEND YOUR JOBLESS DAUGHTERS BUSH!!!! RISK SOMETHING BUSH!!!  gutless vacationing coward.

    "I will never accept an analysis that says a leader who stands for equality and fairness and who has the courage of his convictions is doing the wrong thing."

    by CrazyDem on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 11:15:56 AM PDT

  •  I could see Cindy (3.50)
    getting nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize. She might not win, but she would be a credible nominee.
    •  If this is the begining of the end of the war (none)
      I think most of the world would support her getting it.

      "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." -Martin Luther King, Jr. _______ "We will not be silent." -Howard Dean

      by jigsaw68 on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 11:28:59 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Vigil to support Cindy Sheehan (4.00)
    Vigil to support Cindy Sheehan
    Boston, Massachusetts
    Park Street T station
    Visit Boston Mobilization for more information


  •  wow (none)
    Great ad. simply awesome. Kinda hard to look her in the face and not feel something while watching.

    Can't belive you guys seen it before I did since I live in Waco lol.

    I Definately want to donate and get this ad everywhere there is a TV.

  •  Wow! That's powerful. (4.00)
    I didn't know he died in his "best friends arms."  That should really hit those John Wayne wannabes where it hurts.  Everytime I hear her and see her, I'm reminded of my own mom, as I'm sure many of you are.  This sort of grief is universal; and, man, it hurts to hear.  
    •  As a mother (none)
      I listen to her - and cannot even imagine the pain she is in, - losing a child - and my heart breaks for her.

      • - - and the President hidden safely with his entourage speeding away - -

      • - Cindi thought she saw Laura sitting next to the President.

      Laura - as a mother - why don't you go visit with Cindi since your husband cannot muster the courage.

      We will never end terrorism by terrorizing others -- bumper sticker on I-5

      by sara seattle on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 12:31:14 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •   Why can't you be honest with us? (none)
    I think that's the only way things can get better. We owe the Iraqis one hell of an apology, and all Bush can do is act like they owe us a favor. We need to give them back their financial rights (oil, agriculture etc.)- allow them to negotiate thier own contracts with whomever they wish.

    With truth and reparations, they might let us leave peacefully.

  •  Taking the ad national (4.00)
    is a good idea.  However, I just wanted you guys to know that they showed a long clip of it here on the local news in Vegas-VERY powerful.  So hopefully the cable news, and local news stations will continue to show clips.  Surprisingly, Vegas has covered this pretty well-the story has been on the local news for the past few days.  

    There's no point for democracy when ignorance is celebrated...insensitivity is standard and faith is being fancied over reason.-NoFx

    by SairaLV on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 11:34:52 AM PDT

  •  Truly moving ad (none)
    This needs to be national.... ASAP

    Where do we send donations to keep this on the air???

    Something everyone should see.

    "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." -Martin Luther King, Jr. _______ "We will not be silent." -Howard Dean

    by jigsaw68 on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 11:36:38 AM PDT

  •  Bush really doesn't want that woman (none)
    all over the national TV.  She's very earnest. I think she may just be a hero... capital H. Yeehaw Cindy.  Casey's smiling at you!
    •  I do not know if you are old enough (none)
      to remember the 68 Democratic convention in Chicago - and the police-action that followed.

      Then I would have bet my last dollar that the police would never attack.

      Now it is an entirely different story - so do not be too sure that there will not be attacks/arrests.  

      Because the stronger the protest gets - the worse it looks on TV -- then it becomes a lose - lose situation for the President.  

      When the downside of arrest gets less than the downside of continued reports - they will arrest her. They will come up with some threat, some terrorist story - and she'll likely be arrested late one Friday evening.

      We will never end terrorism by terrorizing others -- bumper sticker on I-5

      by sara seattle on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 12:25:56 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Que vivan (4.00)
    las Madres de la Carretera de Crawford...

    (Long Live the Mothers of the Crawford Roadway...)

    Like the Mothers of the Plaza de Mayo in Argentina, whose sons and daughters were 'disappeared' by the military junta, these mothers' will shame the Bush regime and help bring change....

  •  God bless you Cindy (none)
    A few days ago, one of the diarist opined about the lack of an anti-war movement against the Iraq War. Well, who needs a million people in the street (only to be ignored and derided by MSM and the Republican Spin Machine) when you have Mrs. Sheehan. Unadorned, Middle American,yet eloquent,this ad screams "J'Accuse!" I hope this goes national. I feel like Cindy is like Rosa Parks.

    Tell Mr. Bring 'em On to Bring Them Home!

  •  It absolutely breaks your heart (none)
    - but it also starts a fire in your belly.

    Cindy Sheehan is right - Your lied to us Mr. President.

    We need some answers - and the truth NOW.

    We will never end terrorism by terrorizing others -- bumper sticker on I-5

    by sara seattle on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 12:03:14 PM PDT

  •  AP wire/Houston Chronicle today (4.00)
    Bush passes by protesters, but doesn't stop
    Associated Press

    CRAWFORD -- From the window of his limousine, President Bush got a motorcade view of more than 100 anti-war protesters camped outside his ranch as he rode to a political fund-raiser today near his spread. Bush did not stop.

    Law enforcement agencies used their cars to block two intersecting roads, where the demonstrators have camped out all week, and required them to stand behind yellow tape. They were not asked to leave their makeshift campsite.

    Cindy Sheehan, a California mother leading the protesters, held a sign that read: "Why do you make time for donors and not for me?"LINK

    Be a Carville, not a Colmes

    by seesdifferent on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 12:03:52 PM PDT

    •  Pic made Yahoo! News (4.00)

      Sign suggestion:

      Donors of cold cash
      get Weeks of attention.
      Donors of American blood
      can't get Cmdr in Chief's hour.

      My son's blood spent,
      my heart is wrent.
      WMD or Osama
      None of these evident.
      Tell me 'Why' Mr. President.

      Dont' brush off this mother,
      She stands for all others,
      The Truth is needed, what did you utter?
      WMD Lies for his Blood? Why W?

      "I'd rather be ruled by a competent Turk than an incompetent Christian." -Martin Luther.

      by antirove on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 12:49:17 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Good, but that would be "rent" (none)
        Past tense and past participle of "rend." Not "wrent" as if it came from "wrenching."
        People here always make fun of people with misspelled signs (rememeber all the "moran" comments?). People who live in glass houses...
      •  Good, but that would be "rent" (none)
        Past tense and past participle of "rend." Not "wrent" as if it came from "wrenching."
        People here always make fun of people with misspelled signs (remember all the "moran" comments?). People who live in glass houses...
  •  What Bush Should Have Done. (4.00)

    That's Viggo Mortensen, btw.

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    "There are times in politics when you must be on the right side and lose." John Kenneth Galbraith

    by susanp on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 12:12:03 PM PDT

  •  raw indeed... (none)
    wtf is with raw story?!?  "unidentified site certificates," pop-ups galore and it crashed my browser.  


  •  How much... (none)
    To run this in prime time?
  •  Thank you (none)
    That ad is really what this is all about, not Rush, not Sean, not Laura and not O'Reilly, as despicable as they are.
  •  Saw this on a right wing blog (none)

    Its this jerk who will lead a rally against Cindy tonight

    Join Mike Today for his Pro-America Bus Trip to Crawford, TX!

  •  Touches your heart (none)
    and apparently a nerve in the WH or should I say on the ranch. It's hard to resist a mom that has lost a son. I think this is what can bring a change in America's thinking about the war and about Bush.

    Bring them home. NOW

    by Arlyn on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 01:10:59 PM PDT

  •  Go National (none)
    They should take this add put a tag line after it that says "This is not from the democratic party." Maybe it will wake some more democrats up.
  •  CNN (4.00)
    just called Cindy the PEACE MOM.

    That's a good meme to multiply. Simple enough for clueless America to understand.

    Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D.

    by TrueBlueMajority on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 01:11:50 PM PDT

    •  mom (none)
      You just reminded me.  My local NBC news ran a short spot on Cindy Saturday and had a graphic that said "Crawford Ranch Protest."  

      They ran another spot last night and now called it something like Mom Peace Protest - I cannot recall exactly and I'm at work.  Have it recorded.  But, it definitely was called Mom something, and I think I got it right.

      Ken Salazar (D-CO), who said he'll vote for the Flag Desecration Amendment, needs to hear from us.

      by OLinda on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 01:24:15 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  not so sure about that (none)
      this is not a peace rally that Cindy is leading.  This is a rally or ought be understood as a rally calling for Bush to take responsibility and stop lying to us and explain to us just exactly what the fuck we are doing in Iraq.  

      That Cindy is being labeled as a "peace mom" suggests a right-wing tactic to pin her to the "far left" sixties hippie peaceniks, ie just an irrelavent little hippie thing to be ignored.  The reason why i would consider the "peace mom" a right wing smear tactic is  because the "we're at war with crazy blood thirsty terrorists who killed on 9/11" would easily lay the smack down on any "peace mom" rally.  

      Not that i am against peace or a peace rally.  or promoting peace.  but that is not as i understand it what Cindy's mission is.  Let us not play into the right wingnut hand here.  

    •  Hey! (none)
      I have no problem being a "Peace Mom".

      Where do I sign up?

      Where are the pins and bumper stickers?

    •  Peace (none)

        In all too many circles in this country, "peace" is a dirty word.

        It's a horrendous commentary on our society, if not on the human race in general, but "peace" DOES have negative connotations with enough Americans that CNN might be subtly trashing her.

        Which wouldn't surprise me, given how craven that network's become...

      A Beltway Democrat is one who attacks Howard Dean with a blowtorch and George W. Bush with a popgun.

      by Buzzer on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 03:07:53 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Peace on earth? (none)
        Funny how we were complimented on the lighted "Peace on Earth" banner on our balcony after Thanksgiving. the next August, it's become Anti-American.

        Did you know Peace is only seasonal?

        The truth always matters.

        by texasmom on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 04:42:39 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Let us have... (none)
    ...Viggo Mortenson as our first King of America...he can sing at his own coronation.

    Really, the picture of him kissing Cindy Sheehan's hand is magnificent. Such grace & humility...bravo, Viggo!  

  •  Powerful... (none)
    so powerful, I'm sitting here wiping the tears from my eyes.  I wish this could be on stations all across the country.  
  •  Where do I sign? (none)
    Any effort to get this national deserves my dollars more than anything I've seen come up in the past 10 years or so. Somebody, set Bush up the mind bomb!


  •  CTV (none)
    MURRAY OLIVER [Reporter]: These TV news pictures from the war in Iraq
    capture the moment private Casey Sheehan died, and the moment his mother's
    campaign to end the war began.

    CINDY SHEEHAN [Soldier's Mother]: I saw the news report about the ambush,
    and I knew, I knew my son was one of them. I just knew it in my heart.

    OLIVER: Eighteen months later, Cindy Sheehan is fast becoming a symbol of
    the US anti-war movement. Last Saturday she pitched her tent outside George
    Bush's Texas ranch.

    SHEEHAN: I was not walking over there I was walking in the ditch.

    OLIVER: Despite facing an intimidating number of police, Sheehan is staying
    put, and she's being joined by other people whose kids have also been killed
    in Iraq.

    CELESTE ZAPPALA [Soldier's Mother]: When we buried Sherwood I knelt
    down beside his coffin and I vowed to him I will speak the truth for him. This
    war is a disaster.

    OLIVER: They vow not to leave until President Bush speaks with them.

    SHEEHAN: I deserve answers from the President. You know he stole my
    oldest child from me.

  •  Drudge (none)
    I sent the link to Drudge.  I am sure we will see it posted momentarily.

    Ken Salazar (D-CO), who said he'll vote for the Flag Desecration Amendment, needs to hear from us.

    by OLinda on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 01:53:16 PM PDT

  •  Cindy Sheehan is smacking Bush around like he (none)
    was a little child.  She has been far more effective than Kerry ever was.  If every Kossack does not support her either with contributions or (even more important) defending her against attacks from the right wing media, we should all be ashamed.  She is a hero. She is the voice of unvarnished truth that Kerry never had the courage to emulate in the 2004 election (except for debate #1).  
  •  Very moving, but... (none)

    I wish she hadn't said that it's time to pull out now.  That would be a disaster.

    If she had focused exclusively on Bush's lies---a real punch to the stomach---she would've let the viewer come to their own conclusions.  As it is, a lot of people are going to watch, be moved, but then, at the very end, go, "No No No" to her suggestion of an immediate pullout.

    I wish she'd said at the end: "Mr. President, it's time to stop lying to us.  Tell us the truth.  And tell us how you're going to get us out of Iraq."  That would've had everyone saying, "Yeahhhh..."

  •  I disagree (none)
    Cindy should say whatever she believes.  This is not a choreographed public relations campaign.  This is one woman talking about her pain and about avoiding the same pain for someone else's mom.

    Or we could think about it this way:  Bargaining.

    Peace Mom:  Explain yourself Mr. Bullshit!  Pull the troops out now!!

    Mr. Bullshit:  I unnerstan her anguissshh.  But we can't pull the troopsh out now.

    US:  Well what can you do, you sanctimonious fuckwad?  Explain yourself!!!  Show us a plan!!!

    Congress:  (Okay, as if . . .) Show us a plan!!! The Peace Moms are making our underwear chafe.

    Media:  Mr. Bullshit continues to stonewall the Peace Mom, refusing to respond to her calls for withdrawal from Iraq except to say he disagrees.

    Previously Fawning Reporter Guy:  Question, Mr. Bullshit!  

    Mr. Bullshit:  Yes, previously fawing reporter guy?

    PFRG:  You say it's a bad idea to pull out the troops.  What plan do you have to address Peace Mom's issues, that you lied us into war, and how it's time to end our involvement there?

    Mr. Bullshit:  Er, ah, where's that Gannon guy when we need him?


    Well, whatdya think, guys?

    •  It needs to be talked about (none)
      Good post...

      I think the fact that there are not enough troops there to get whatever mission it is this week done...or equipment for them to stay alive.. is more than an incentive to pull them out. If they wanted to finish something they would have listened to their own military people that say there are not enough troops to do it... so get the rest out safe.

      I am against leaving them there to get picked off one by one... without proper gear... bring them home alive...

      They should have never went into Iraq and leaving the troops there to die just doesn't seem like a good idea... There will be chaos when they are pulled out... it may become a safe haven for terrorists... civilians will no doubt get caught in the mess and die.... wait that is all happening now!!! So what is the down side of pulling the troops out??? I don't see one.

      "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." -Martin Luther King, Jr. _______ "We will not be silent." -Howard Dean

      by jigsaw68 on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 02:54:39 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Powerful, Moving & Honest. (none)

    More dangerous are the functionaries ready to believe and to act without asking questions.

    by Titian on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 02:27:07 PM PDT

  •  al\Fox News (none)
    just showed a portio of the video ..... its pretty fair and balanced - a little leaning to the right, but its OUT THERE BABY!~
  •  HELP...I cannot get the link with video/audio... (none)
    or whatever it is...
  •  Powerful (none)
    heartfelt, and heart wrenching.  I'm a sentimental slob, I admit it, so it doesn't take much to get me going, but this tugged at the heart strings and geez, how can you not feel her pain and sincerity?
    That should be airing all over the country, not just in Crawford or wherever that fucking idiot of a Prez goes...
  •  She's right on the money! (none)
    Way to go Cindy Sheehan! Where do I donate money for this ad campaign? Will it go national?

    Bush gets on TV and says he can't think of a single mistake in his presidency? He is neither a man nor a gentleman. When a leader is unable to show humility, he has no moral compass. He has no soul.

  •  Okay, confession time... (none)
    I was going to wait for an open thread, but this seems like as good a place as any... I tune in to hear any calls Cindy makes to Air America whenever I can, partially because I stand by her and support her ideals and wish her all the best... but, and I can't help saying this- her voice REALLY does it for me... which is weird, because I know some people don't like it... but for me, can't get enough!

    Yeah, sure, she's married (as am I for that matter) and middle-aged and I'm almost 28, but YOW!

  •  Awesome ad (none) there a way to contribute, for national air time buys?

    "Every violation of truth is not only a sort of suicide in the liar, but is a stab at the health of human society." -Ralph Waldo Emerson

    by hopesprings on Sat Aug 13, 2005 at 04:13:54 AM PDT

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