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Update [2005-8-12 21:30:6 by deepintheheartoftx]:They're gone. They were there for only about 30 minutes. See patrioticliberal's diary for more. I just got a call from Tracy in Crawford. She says:

"The brownshirts have arrived! Anyone willing to walk the walk needs to get to Crawford NOW!"

If you were just thinking of going, go. If you have the means to get there, get there.

There are 50-60 counter-protesters set up on the other side of the road, the police have been joined by Secret Service who have their vehicles parked in between the two groups in the triangular area that was made off limits.

Tracy says they are chanting WE DON'T CARE!!

Mike Gallager group --  they all have flags and the military families are really upset at you might imagine.

Originally posted to deepintheheartoftx on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 05:09 PM PDT.

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  •  That's Always Been Their Position (4.00)
    They just usually don't chant it in front of cameras.

    Should play well on TV...

    Evolution is the organizing principle of all known life. Your God is a theory.

    by The Baculum King on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 05:15:32 PM PDT

  •  Thats old news (4.00)
    We know they don't care. And, I don't care that they don't care.

    IMHO, it is important for Camp Casey not to respond to them. The Careless Gang would like a confrontation. It would give the officials an excuse to move everyone out.

    Take a page out of MLK's book. Sing, pray, ignore.

    "Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed." General Buck Turgidson

    by muledriver on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 05:17:30 PM PDT

    •  That's the truth (none)
      They really don't care.
      •  I Agree... (none)
        They prove it everyday, they don't care about war or debt or anything but lining their neocon pockets.
        •  What bothers me most (none)
          is that these people are not the ones benefiting from Bush's policies (at least they don't look like the top 5% economically).  These are people who perceive benefit from Bush's social policies, which actually have not been enacted for the most part, and would not affect these people at all if they were.  They don't just vote against their interests, they PROTEST against their interests.

          "Mother America is brandishing her weapons / She keeps me safe and warm by threats and misconceptions." -Drivin' and Cryin'

          by Easy B Oven on Sat Aug 13, 2005 at 05:17:09 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  But does the rest of America know that? (4.00)
      Doesn't every parent with a son or daughter in the military and especially in Iraq need to know these people don't give a damn if their children come home in a casket.

      Isn't that a message that should be taped, played, and broadcast to the entire nation. "You hear that America! Only our agenda matters! Not your dead kid! We don't care!"

      Isn't that something all Americans should have a right to hear over and over again before passing judgment on the suffering of Cindy Sheehan and countless others? Let's show the world how depraved these ghouls really are.

      The Book of Revelation is NOT a foreign policy manual.

      by Dont Just Stand There on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 06:30:10 PM PDT

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      •  Don't respond to them, but (4.00)
        Keep the video cameras rolling. Great material for the '06 tv ads.

        "Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservative." -- John Stuart Mill

        by Auntie Mame on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 07:21:57 PM PDT

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        •  Brava! (none)
          Store up all this as fuel for 06 and 08.

          Images of a peacful gathering with Cindy in control while facing lunatics who are making her case, and ours, for us.

          Best of all, it keeps Cindy from being cast in the role of a troublemaker.

          Let the pictures tell the story.

          Our job is to make sure the pictures get off the blogs and into the media.

          Like midwives, we can make our best contribution now by helping and then getting out of the way.

          -- Nance

          Nancy Virginia Varian, Editorial Director DemSpeak

          by Nancy Varian on Sat Aug 13, 2005 at 02:20:57 PM PDT

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  •  Tell Them to Join the Army !! (4.00)
    Oh better yet, the reserves.

    Shout back - sign up for the Army!

    Have recruitment flyers delivered to them.

    Shout them down and shame them.

    Shout Shame on YOU.

    •  Better yet... (4.00)
      "Go Army Dot Com"

      "Computer. End holographic program...Computer? Computer?"

      by kredwyn on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 05:21:36 PM PDT

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    •  Effectiveness (none)
      Shout Shame on YOU.

      Can you show me in the annals of history when that has ever been effective?

      •  does your momma know you don't care (none)
        or is she hiding in shame from having raised such an unchristian and embarassing child such as yourself ???

        We support the trrops, but we don't care

        that kinda sums up the whole repuglican platform

      •  Check under ghandi, Mohandas K (4.00)
        or under King, martin luther Jr.

        shame is a big part of the effectivness of nonviolent protest

        why was willingly walking into a beating by British Soldies so effective ???

        because England was ASHAMED that this was done in England's name

        things have been going down hill for conservatives since Gutenberg invented moveable type

        welcome to the Information Age, its a lot older than some potzer historians think

        orwell was wrong, because he didn't foresee that WE would have video cameras too, and he totally spaced the internets completely

        It's knowledge that defeats evil

        •  Murdered (none)
          Check under ghandi, Mohandas K or under King, martin luther Jr

          I don't need anymore graves to weep over.

          •  I only care about results (none)
            You could say the Ghandi and MLK Jr were murdered. you could even say thet they were martyred for their respective causes

            but the cause of their deaths doesn't sum up the total results of their actions. Independent India and the success of the Civil rights Movement are better indicators of their actions

            some of us may have to die to stop the butcher of crawford. that is a sacrafice we have to be willing to make

            •  Hm. "Some of us may have to die ... (none)
              ... to stop the butcher of Crawford."

              And when you say "some of us" you mean ... ?

              I thought Camp Casey was about stopping death, not embracing it.

              Remember this when you talk about some of us having to die:

              It didn't have to happen, it should never, ever happen again.

              We're smarter than that.



              Nancy Virginia Varian, Editorial Director DemSpeak

              by Nancy Varian on Sat Aug 13, 2005 at 02:36:55 PM PDT

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              •  read Tolkein sometime dude (none)
                in order to save something, some of us may have to give up that something up

                you know, from the part where frodo didn't find peace in the Shire after the quest to destroy the ring

                stop playing your knee jerk reactions as if they resembled reality

                try to think in the real world. george and his cronies are going to fight, and we have to be willing to fight back. if you are not willing to die for the cause, you are about as useful to us as the chicken hawk repuglicans are to America

                •  Tolkien? (none)

                  I was reading Tolkien the day they were killing students at Kent State.

                  The dead students are the reality.

                  However, do let me know when you're on the front lines against our own army.

                  I'll send you my personal copies of the books, I think it was Two Towers I was reading that day. I'd have to check my journal.

                  I understand Tolkien himself took comfort and courage reading "Beowulf" during the war, so maybe LOTR would enhearten you while you're fighting the civil war you seem to long for here.

                  You will be there, right?


                  -- Nance (short for Nancy; but dude has a certain charm.)

                  Nancy Virginia Varian, Editorial Director DemSpeak

                  by Nancy Varian on Mon Aug 15, 2005 at 03:23:37 PM PDT

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                  •  if that's what it takes (none)
                    Our army isn't going to fight FOR george, if that is what you are thinking

                    they've seen george in action, and they know he's a loser

                    and besides, george isn't going to have much of an Army left soon, its all gonna be in Iraq

                    I actually expect a mob war more than a Civil War

                    only the freepi and the fundies support george at this point, so look for angry mobs to attack, much like what is happening to Cindy Sheehan. We might see some newspaper plants burned, and some tv transmitters and satalite equipment sabatoged

                    george and the neocons ain't going down without a fight. Nixon was smart enough to know that he couldn't win, even WITH the Army behind him. george isn't smart enough to know that the Army ain't backing him and that he is gonna lose

                    that's just my opinion, but I was right about the torture, and a lot of other things too. don't blame me just cause I can out think the presnit

                    and I ain't as young as you think, Kent State is a part of my living knowledge

                    •  If that's what it takes .... (none)
                      ... you remind me of Bush when you say that. Let's hear a chorus of how you'll stay the course, and maybe a rousing "bring 'em" on.

                      Now you're talking.

                      First note this: Bush has no army. No preisdent does.

                      The US has an army. It is fighting for the asshole of a Commander in Chief they're stuck with now because that's what they do, that's what we ask them to do, that's what they swear to do.

                      If they were going to stop, they'd have done it. They won't. They are men and women who took oaths, they honor their oaths even when they hate what they are doing. And, you know, not all of them think the war is wrong.

                      You just having fun with your death plans? There are RPGs for that.

                      Or -- hey, here's an ide: Are you spewing this crap for Rush&Co to play with? Will we find your comments coming back at us from Drudge?

                      Hey, google, what'cha know?

                      -- Nance

                      Nancy Virginia Varian, Editorial Director DemSpeak

                      by Nancy Varian on Tue Aug 16, 2005 at 04:38:06 PM PDT

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                      •  thank you oh wise one (none)
                        if you're so fucking smart, how did I arrive here two years before you newbie

                        maybe you can't read, or maybe you're stupid. Thake another look, I refer to it as OUR ARMY

                        read the fucking POST you twit

                        Our army isn't going to fight FOR george, if that is what you are thinking

                        and I really don't worry mich about providing fodder for Rush. As you can tell, I'm a pretty rude fucker when my blood is up. I don't think Lush limpbag would stand much of a chance. I would be flattered to be misquoted by that fat fuck

                        let me give you some advice newbie, if you make accusations of freeperism against everybody who provides reality based analysis of the situation, you aint gonna survive long here. We're prettyu fucking reality based, and if you don't like it, go piss up a rope

                        there is a big difference between George bush and myself, unlike our coward presnit, I'll fuck you up, and I don't care who or what you are

                        welcome to the shark tank asshat, grow some fucking manners, and stop comparing KOSSACKs to Bush, or you ain't gonna survive

        •  sadly, shame is dead (none)
          As you said, England was ashamed of what was done in it's name.  A significant number of Americans are, I believe, no longer capable of feeling the appropriate shame in having atrocities committed in their names, nor in supporting a war which was started for no good reasons and is fought by the poor and colored.  
          •  Shame Fatigue (none)
            Its a problem.. Americans are so used to having horrible crimes attributed to them (real and exaggerated) that they just switch off and blame the messenger now.

            "I for one welcome our new insect overlords." - Kent Brockman

            by pawlr on Sat Aug 13, 2005 at 04:28:42 AM PDT

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    •  No. Frankly. (4.00)
      Sing. Pray. Ignore them.

      Joining the Army is part of the problem. Period. If you're going to invoke MLK, be aware that he referred to the "madness of militarism" for a reason. Stay the fuck out of the military. Nothing good comes of violence. And the military is an instrument of violence. Period. There are other avenues for serving our country: Peace Corps, AmericCorps. Join them. Militarism Is the problem... I know Kos doesn't like this, or even understand it, but he's wrong. A single question for those who argue it: How long can you wear a field marshall's cap without becoming a field marshall? How long do you train to be a bomber without dropping a bomb? How long do you drop play mortar shells and fake bullets and paper targets? All that training ends up killing somone in a war, 9 times out of 10, a war we shouldn't be fighting. Like this one. YOu want to serve our country? Take over the IMF, take over the congress and the executive branch and start passing some laws that make sense. The army's doing nothing but creating enemies for us and profits for Haliburton. Fuck them. Think hard before you join them. If you think long enough and hard enough, by they time you answer, you'll be all grown up.

      •  Oh, don't worry... (none)
        They're not likely to join the army.

        The Shapeshifter's Blog -- Politics, Philosophy, and Madness!

        by Shapeshifter on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 11:40:42 PM PDT

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      •  I agree (none)
        When people join the Army, they're making an independent decision to never again be fully able to make an independent decision. Acquiescence to whatever immoral things are decreed becomes a duty, de jure or de facto (though in rare cases like My Lai or Abu Ghraib, you can end up being punished for them, as long as you're low enough in the hierarchy). Whether or not the people who join come around to seeing the world the way we do is irrelevant -- in the meantime, they serve as extra hands for committing torture and murder.

        "There's more than one answer to these questions, pointing me in a crooked line" - Indigo Girls

        by AlanF on Sat Aug 13, 2005 at 06:40:30 AM PDT

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    •  call them chickenhawks! (none)
      I diaried this, but I'll repeat my suggestions here:

      IF anyobody knows anybody at the Crawford camp, get them to make three LARGE signs for when the brownshirts return:



      Sign #3:  What have YOU sacrificed for your country?

      Then they should position the signs where the cameras will see them, and gently suggest to every reporter there that they should ask the chickenhawks if they are in the army, or if their son or daughter is in the service, and if not, why not?

      Then calmly continue singing America The Beautiful or My Country 'tis of Thee.

      Chickenhawks just HATE is when you call them Chickenhawks.

  •  Asshats Who Sacrifice Nothing (4.00)
    protesting a Mother who gave her son.

    Family values, my ass.

    Evolution is the organizing principle of all known life. Your God is a theory.

    by The Baculum King on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 05:20:13 PM PDT

  •  no.. (4.00)
    just ignore them. keep singing, do your own thing. if they want to be asses, let them. i just hope there are plenty of cameras out there.
    •  100% agree. (4.00)
      Protest work when you act peaceful, and they go bat-shit crazy, and someone takes a good picture.

      Get up on your SoapBlox - The NEW blog framework

      by pacified on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 06:58:40 PM PDT

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      •  Absolutely (4.00)
        Let's remember police are peacekeepers.  Their job is to keep the peace.  If you're the one disturbing the peace, you get hauled away.  They don't care about right and wrong - that's for a jury.  They don't care about fair - that's for a judge.

        We are the anti-war movement - let's keep the peace.

        Everyone's left of the extreme right.

        by gnutpnut on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 07:51:21 PM PDT

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        •  Uh, I don't remember it that way (4.00)
          Let's remember police are peacekeepers.  Their job is to keep the peace.

          there are a few details that stick in my mind that seem to contradict that sentiment

          Chicago in 1968, Kent State in 1970, Berkley on almost any given day between 1965 and 1975

          I grew up in Ronnie Raygun's California police State, and Johnson and Nixon's America

          Tell me when did it ever work that way ???

          •  Most Police Are Decent People (4.00)
            I know what you mean about Raygun's Police State, but most police are pretty decent people with a job to do.

            The Texas cops look like they are just trying to keep the peace. I thought I read somewhere that they ended up taking off their riot gear because they did not need it.

            That is real good. Shows you that Cindy's folks are doing the right thing.


            Lefty Limblog - It is time to WIN instead of "Appease and Cringe". Fight the Rethugs!

            by LeftyLimblog on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 11:08:33 PM PDT

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            •  Question: (none)
              Were the chickenhawks able to ride their bus all the way down the road to their little hate-fest, or did the sheriff force them to walk a few miles in the ditch like Cindy had to?

              Al Queada is a faith-based initiative.

              by drewfromct on Sat Aug 13, 2005 at 06:08:06 AM PDT

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  •  Film it! (4.00)
    Let the world see how much they care for families and for the troops.

    In other news, why the fuck are the dkos servers running so slow on a low-traffic Friday night?

    What's your state doing to protect our votes?

    by retired on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 05:24:14 PM PDT

    •  well i'm not helping... (4.00)
      click, click, clickclickclick... wanting to hear the updates...
    •  I am sure (4.00)
      all that ''support'' will play well overseas as well.

      Just what do they think the troops that hear ''we don't care'' directed at a soldiers' mother, will think of that?

      friggin' chimptards.

      Now watch what you say, they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, fanatical, criminal...-Supertramp, Logical song

      by mammalicious on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 07:45:54 PM PDT

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      •  I wonder what the soldiers in crawford think (4.00)
        forget what the troops overseas think

        how do you thinkl the "We Don't Care" message is gonna play on Army Bases in America

        some stupid wingnut is gonna try and hold an anti Cindy Sheehan Rally today in crawford, and he invited a bunch of soldiers from Fort hood

        How do you think those soldiers will interact with a group of people chanting about not caring if those soldiers die

        Hey Soldiers, come out and help us support the fact that we don't care if you die in Iraq

        that could be a VERY UNPOPULAR ATTITUDE to take around combat troops

        so good luck with your "We Hate the Soldiers" rally. Mr. Freeper, and I hope it ends BADLY for you

  •  We don't care, eh? (4.00) that is a very supportive message for the guys and gals serving overseas.

    I'm betting that those families with loved ones have absolutely no idea what that looks like or sounds like to their loved ones serving in a war zone. And I'm betting that there are a couple folks in uniform that they've just managed to sway to Cindy's side.

    Yes...get those cameras...get this recorded...get it online to as many sites as possible. And send it to the networks with the message, "See...they don't care. Good thing someone does. We just wish that, for his sake, the president would have met with Mrs. Sheehan earlier."

    "Computer. End holographic program...Computer? Computer?"

    by kredwyn on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 05:26:38 PM PDT

    •  That was... (none)
      not a threat in any way shape or form...just a recognition that this Gallagher event has well...spectacle comes to mind...

      "Computer. End holographic program...Computer? Computer?"

      by kredwyn on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 05:29:10 PM PDT

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      •  Where was it said that it was a threat? (none)


        Mitch Gore

        Nobody will change America for you, you have to work to make it happen

        by Lestatdelc on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 06:12:30 PM PDT

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        •  Gonna sound strange... (none)
          but all of a sudden a small voice danced around and said "hmmm best add a qualifier...just cause."

          No one one in the thread...

          Much better than the voice that was telling me that my aim sucked during a pool match last night. I won the first one...was on my way to winning the second game when I missed one shot and my coach asked if I'd ever been taught to aim. After that...I went down in a burning fire of total defeat. <sigh>

          "Computer. End holographic program...Computer? Computer?"

          by kredwyn on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 06:17:22 PM PDT

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  •  Have these printed and ready to hand out... (4.00)


    Mitch Gore

    Nobody will change America for you, you have to work to make it happen

    by Lestatdelc on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 05:27:02 PM PDT

  •  Reminds of the SS protest (4.00)
    outside of some Santorum event. The College Republicans, I think said, "Hey, hey, ho ho, Social Security's got to go." That's pretty much saying "we dont care, we wont ever need Social Security."

    The strategy for Democrats regarding Santorum's comments is not to refute them, but rather make sure they get as much exposure as possible -Tom Oliphant

    by jj32 on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 05:29:39 PM PDT

  •  Wow (4.00)
    "Your son is dead, and we don't care."  Are these human beings?
    •  No, They're Republicans n/t (4.00)

      Evolution is the organizing principle of all known life. Your God is a theory.

      by The Baculum King on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 05:31:16 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  No (3.55)
        They are cool aid drinking, dittohead neocons.

        I am an ex-Republican who see thinking Republicans here on dKos, those people do not deserve to be called Republicans.


        •  They ARE the Republican Party (4.00)
          and we need to find some way to make that very point abundantly clear to the American People.

          "Thinking Republicans" is an oxymoron, no thinking person could lend their support to such an Anti-American crowd by belonging to any group who would have them.


          Evolution is the organizing principle of all known life. Your God is a theory.

          by The Baculum King on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 06:14:05 PM PDT

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          •  Good Luck (4.00)
            The media has been secured against disruption of approved data streams.

            We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy....--ML King, "Beyond Vietnam"

            by Gooserock on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 08:04:11 PM PDT

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        •  Then isn't it about time (none)
          you reclaimed your party?

          These morons have taken it over. It's about time the real republicans throw them out.

          •  It USED TO BE my party, too (4.00)
            I was a Republican for the first 30 some years of my life, at first by inheritance, and then because I actually thought that deficits mattered when Democrats didn't think they did.  I was even an officer in my state's Teen-Age Republican and in my College Republican club.  For a long time after the party changed beyond recognition, I rarely voted Republican, but couldn't bring myself to change my registration.

            I was finally able to do it when I faced the fact that the party of Lincoln had become the party of the Dixiecrats, that it was now Republicans who insisted that deficits didn't matter, and that today's GOP doesn't even have the defense of favoring irresponsible deficits as a means of attempting to achieve social equity, as did the Democratic Party of my youth.  Instead, the justification for those deficits now is to assure that the greed of the most greedy of wealthy Americans is fully satisfied, and they are able to advance their goal of achieving a hereditary economic aristocracy.

            There's no taking back the Republican Party of which I was once a member.  Although a few of its members, such as Jim Leach of Iowa, are still alive, that party has been dead and buried for years now, and there's no chance of a resurrection.

            •  Shame? (none)
              I faced the fact that the party of Lincoln had become the party of the Dixiecrats

              Interestingly, the Wingnuts don't feel the slightest twinge of irony when they beat Dems over the head with their Dixiecrat history while simultaneously proving that its their own true nature.

        •  asdf (4.00)
          I was a liberal republican years ago. I don't even recognize my former party anymore. If the MSM could be bothered to broadcast this footage, it would change minds. But the networks aren't covering this. They canceled the news for a a murderous wife and her escaped felon husband.
  •  With assholes like that (4.00)
    there will be a Civil War II in our lifetimes.
    •  It has already begun (4.00)
      Iraq is about to get REALLY bad, gas prices are getting really high.

      I have a feeling things are really at the breaking point for this country.

      Jesus arrived in a black helicopter, confusing the local militia.

      by Delaware Dem on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 08:17:51 PM PDT

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    •  More like, War for Independence II (4.00)
      Being a native born Floridian, I think I can say this.... Does it surprise anybody which side the rednecks have chosen on this debate?  

      "The South Will Rise Again."

      They'll also have the shit kicked out of them again.

  •  Film these bastards! (4.00)
    Let the world see them for what they are!

    If anyone gets a video of this, send it to me and I'll make JPEG stills in about fifteen minutes!

  •  They finally speak the truth (4.00)
    They don't care...they really don't.  It's a kodak moment...take pictures.

    The contrast of Cindy's message (and those that surround her) that they DO care is their best response.

    And there are MILLIONS of us out here that care and support Cindy's message...millions of us that care.

  •  Very important-- (4.00)
    Assuming (and this may be a stretch) that this chant gets any media coverage, it is imperative that anyone in Ms. Sheehan's group not claim surprise if asked for a response.  Seriously-- we do ourselves no favors when we express surprise about despicable wingnut behavior.  Their behavior is normal for them, it is expected, and these are the kinds of people controlling the discourse in this country.  Democrats cannot give fence-sitters an out by allowing them to distance themselves from the haters and still stay on the pro-Bush side.

    We need to get into the habit of public cynicism, because outrage gets us nowhere.

    Compromise is something you do behind the scenes. Stop doing it in public. -Atrios

    by latts on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 05:36:01 PM PDT

  •  "Soldiers Die for Our Freedoms!" (4.00)
    And we don't care!!! We treat their survivors like traitors! Hoo-haw!

    God almighty, yes yes yes yes yes ... get film footage on at 11 tonight on every news station in this country!

    It's like the masks are coming off everyone at this point, Bush sliding by in his limo to his fundraiser, Freepers screaming they don't care about soldiers' families.

    Tell me the wheels ain't coming off this whole lying wagon. Just tell me.

  •  Someone GET ME VIDEO! (4.00)
    Just email me, and I'll give you an address to upload the video. I'll edit it and make JPEG stills within about 25 minutes. Then we'll send it out.

    I want the world to see these bastards yelling, "We don't care"!

    •  Get any pictures of them (4.00)
      Need to scan faces for GOP operatives. Just like the Delay operatives that showed up in Florida 2000 Election.

      Bring Them Home. Now.

      by ladydawg on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 05:59:48 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  If there is not video, (none)
      sadly, it didn't really happen in the minds of most Americans.  I'm really hoping there is video.  This would turn off so many more than just us on the liberal blogs.  

      If the right said the left said something as horrible as that, would you believe it without video?  I wouldn't.

      Someone must have had a camera phone video or something.  

      Does the devil wear a suit and tie, Or does he work at the Dairy Queen- Martin Sexton

      by strengthof10kmen on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 07:11:44 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Live steaming video... (4.00)
    these bastards are gonna hang themselves and yes, the revolution will be televised.

    Mike Gallager, the chinless face of Compassionate Conservatism.

    What a dick.

    The GOP betrayed us all.

    by lubarsh on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 05:47:53 PM PDT

  •  "We don't care"??? (4.00)
    What phenomonally stupid creep on their side came up with that as a chant? Morons are making our case for us. Good.
    •  Interesting (4.00)
      Good to know where that started.

      Mostly, this rushwannabe proudly refuses to care about prisoner torture--frathouse stuff don't you know--because They Started It [this war].  

      Seems to me that's a great opening for dialogue.  If he's so pleased with, so at peace with, prisoner abuse, why isn't he clamoring for release of the tapes the govt is hiding?  THis proud American ain't ashamed!  

      Hell, give him something to beat off to in his lonely room

  •  Finally (4.00)
    The truth is finally said.
    'We don't care!'
    Well hell... now we know.
    They don't care about the soldiers and the dead after all.
    Hope a record was made.
    •  What stronger statement (none)
      can be made but that of republicans chanting 'we don't care' and the president holed up in his home after fundraising all day?

      It is sickening, truly.

      Now watch what you say, they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, fanatical, criminal...-Supertramp, Logical song

      by mammalicious on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 07:51:04 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Ridiculous .. (none)
    ...provocations is all. I would suggest ignoring them. It still makes the blood boil...they're worse than spoiled rotten children these people.

    Bring 'em home. Now.

    by MichaelPH on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 06:27:34 PM PDT

  •  Don't let them (none)
    goat you,don't react!Don't give the cops a reason remove you.

    The truth will set you free,but first it will piss you off.

    by mint julep on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 06:28:15 PM PDT

    •  Mostly, the cops like us best (4.00)
      Cindy's folks have been there all week with no trouble. They don't want to see a bunch of agitators show up!

      All day yesterday when I was there, there was only one sherriff's deputy there. He was most amicable and reasonable, because we were.

      To write in plain vigorous language one has to think fearlessly, and if one thinks fearlessly one cannot be politically orthodox. George Orwell, 1946

      by deepintheheartoftx on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 06:34:47 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  It's disgusting but will pass (none)
    The media will give them a pass, just like they've given Republicans a pass on everything.
  •  Did they look... (4.00)

    Bring 'em home. Now.

    by MichaelPH on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 06:36:54 PM PDT

  •  Of course they don't care... (none)
    That is exactly the point....they don't care about America, they don't care about the deaths of almost 2000 GI, they don't care about the (what?) 1000's of dead Iraqi's, they don't care about 9/11..they are giving a party for the 9/11 dead...for Christ's sake..these are inhumane, uncaring, they are the undead....(feeding from the flesh of the living)
  •  so they went ALL THE WAY (4.00)
    to Crawford, packed, took time off work, a long drive or flight at some say they don't care.  

    If they REALLY didn't care you'd think they would have just stayed home.  Hmmmm.  The logic of the right breaks down again...

    We know through painful experience that freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed. -MLK

    by JLFinch on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 06:59:21 PM PDT

    •  Proposed Counter-Chant (4.00)
      If you don't care,
      why are you here?

      If you don't care,
      why are you here?

      We know through painful experience that freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed. -MLK

      by JLFinch on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 07:07:37 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I dunno (4.00)

    They went to an awful lot of trouble to tell the world they don't care.

    That's usually a sign of someone who does care. Someone who is afraid that their bubble is about to pop, but needs to try to convince people that they are untroubled and confident in their position. They will really only ever succeed in convincing themselves though.

    I've only ever seen pouty children do it though.

    Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people... it is true that most stupid people are conservative - John Stuart Mill

    by Sarkasba on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 07:05:56 PM PDT

    •  Pouty children (4.00)
      an anecdote...

      I shoot pool on a league team. Last week, we shot against this team that every other team groans about playing. They are loud. They are brash. They drink too much. And they annoy the crap out of every serious player in this particular league. Every week the rep. gets a complaint about them.

      As I mentioned, we had to play them last week. But since I didn't get put up, I was able to watch their antics as they played others on my team.

      These guys were quite in the beginning. But as the evening progressed...the loudness started coming back. Then I realised that they got louder as each member of their team lost another match. One of my teammates figured the deal out and won by chatting  with her opponent. She won. Another of my mates, a Vietnam Vet with the 82nd Airborne, did this whole meditation thing that put him into a zone where the loudness didn't effect his game. And another member simply stepped away when the rowdiness started to take over.

      One of our opponents let the whole thing slip when he shouted out to our captain that he didn't get why they were losing. After all, "we're acting this way as part of our strategy is to be loud and knock you off your game."

      I'm glad that I didn't have to play. Although I'm getting better with the mind-game part, I still have a long ways to go.

      The "counter-whatever it was" was part of a strategy to knock the Cindy circle off its game. There will be more. But I think that the songs and silence are a great demonstration. Also I think that there are a few other things that they could do.

      • One town reacted to a Felps rally by lining up in front of the protestors and turning their backs.
      • Another could be simply kneeling down and praying in silence.
      • Keep singing the America songs (God Bless America and Star Spangled Banner are awesome).
      • Stand in a silent line in the hand over the heart pose.
      • Recite the Preamble to the Constitution.

      "Computer. End holographic program...Computer? Computer?"

      by kredwyn on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 07:25:01 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I like your last suggestion best... (none)
        but I can never say the Preamble. I can only sing it. Schoolhouse Rock has forever etched the Preamble in my mind.

        And anyway, enough people don't know the Preamble so you can make your point AND be educational.

        Making the world a little better place can be fun.

        by gradinski chai on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 08:15:49 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  True... (none)
          I still get caught up with "Libby Libby Get your Adverbs Here..." and "I'm just a bill...sitting here on capitol hill..." (this one is stuck in my head now)

          But I think that the America theme needs to keep getting played. I, for one, am tired of the "we own the flag, mom, and apple pie" mindset. Something needs to change.

          "Computer. End holographic program...Computer? Computer?"

          by kredwyn on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 08:23:07 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Can't believe this.... (none)
            I can't believe I'm able to do this,'s "Lolly lolly lolly get your adverbs here".

            Chalk it up to a decent memory, coupled with a 6-year-old living in my house.

            "I'm tired of following my dreams. I'm just going to ask them where they're going, and hook up with 'em later" - Mitch Hedberg

            by Jeff Seemann on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 10:59:08 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

        •  A great SHR spoof... (none)
          I will forever remember the school house rock spoof that was on the Simpsons (I think - maybe it was family guy)

          it went a little something like this...
          I'm an amendment-to-be,
          yes an amendment-to-be;
          And i'm hoping that they'll ratify me...

          and it goes on for a bit till a big cowboy-hatted guy comes out and says "good news, amendment... you've been ratified!"

          Then the kid in the cartoon says "Yay! Now we can pass all KINDS of crazy laws!" as a huge mob of people shooting off guns, religious lobbyists and other assorted wackos charge gleefully up the steps into the building.

          Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people... it is true that most stupid people are conservative - John Stuart Mill

          by Sarkasba on Sat Aug 13, 2005 at 12:19:11 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  Turning your back (none)
        That worked at a Klan march in our town. Took the wind right out of their sails--er, sheets.

        War is not an adventure. It is a disease. It is like typhus. - Antoine De Saint-Exupery

        by Margot on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 10:05:53 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Where were the recruiters? (none)
    Should have been there
    •  Awesome idea to solve recruitment shortfalls (none)
      ...and call the bluff of so many 101 Fighting Keyboardists.

      Ideally a REAL recruitment officer would show up any place where the brown shirts might be raising a stink. (Wouldn't that be rich?) Because basically they are bullies, and like all bullies they are basically cowards. It would really take the wind out their sails.

      But hey--how about a little street theater? A couple of guys in fatigues and burr cuts, with plenty of printouts downloaded from the Army's recruitment site would do the trick.

      Hell, get a friggin' permit a plan a JOIN THE TROOPS march. Not support--JOIN. I love to see how many takers they get in an afflluent, heavily Republican district. Fucking hypocrites.

  •  They Are Beneath Contempt (4.00)
    I can't be there, though I would love to be.  I would, no doubt, end up in jail due to my personality, BUT - and I can say this from my distant computer chair in Minneapolis - THEY ARE UNWORTHY OF NOTICE!


    They will NOT understand logic.  Don't even try.  Be above them - which you already are.

    History will show them to be the ignorant vine-swingers that they are.  

    Talk amongst yourselves and pretend that they don't even exist.  Which, in a perfect world, they wouldn't.

    God Bless You ALL.

  •  Please tell me there was video (none)
    please !

    I am glad i wasn't there, because i would have gone fucking berzerko on their asses and gotten real violent.

  •  What don't they care about? (none)
    They don't care about our reasons for sending armies into battle in Iraq.

    The two sides:

    A. Why?

    B. I don't care.

    They don't care about the pretexts and excuses that have all failed auditions,

    but they also don't care about the real reasons.

    The real reasons are inside them, some independent need to deploy American killing power against others. This is what they don't care about.

    And why don't they care?

    Because the consequences will never touch them.

    They will not die.

    They will not lose loved ones.

    They will not miss the respect for America.

    They will never face their own guns.

    They have nothing at stake here, except some starved, unacknowledged cruelty they would rather practice than articulate.

    The jackboot movement in this country is protected by an asymmetry of consequences. The take. They bully. If they succeed, we lose. If they fail, they enjoy democracy, stewing in their resentment.

    •  They are (none)
      ignorant sheeple.  I'd feel sorry for them, but I can't.  They have free will just like the rest of us but choose to be ignorant haters.  If only their wishes could happen only to them.
      •  they are mushrooms (4.00)
        happy to be kept in the dark and fed a constant diet of bullshit.

        Now watch what you say, they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, fanatical, criminal...-Supertramp, Logical song

        by mammalicious on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 07:53:41 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  That's an insult to good mushrooms (none)
          Seriously! And, mushrooms can be insidious, so don't give those people that much credit. From one of my favorite Sylvia Plath poems:

          Nudgers and shovers
          In spite of ourselves.
          Our kind multiplies:
          We shall by morning
          Inherit the earth.
          Our foot's in the door.


          But I do like The Logical Song!

  •  They don't care so much (none)
    that they all showed up to scream at strangers.  The apathy must have been running high.
  •  Exactly (none)
    Get it on tape.   Get close ups of faces.  Faces of hate.

    Save it up and use it later.

    What they are doing is so spiteful and evil, even "undecideds" can see it.

    "Every violation of truth is not only a sort of suicide in the liar, but is a stab at the health of human society." -Ralph Waldo Emerson

    by hopesprings on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 07:33:49 PM PDT

  •  My e-mail to my chickenhawk friend (4.00)
    I know that your two sons did not serve in Vietman. I know that your husband saw that they did not go to Vietman. Therefore, I do not belive that you have any moral right to judge Cindy Sheeham's position about her son. She is a mother who is in a place where you have never found yourself. Because of manipulations by your husband, your sons did not serve in Vietman. You should be hanging your head in shame, rather than attacking this woman who grieves her son.
  •  What else is new (none)
    We know they dont care.
  •  Will the media cover it? (none)
    As some of you have said, this needs to be on the news! The fact that they are chanting "We Don't Care" should tell the American people everything.

    Woman looses son in the war.

    Response -- we don't care.

    This is the last 5 years in a nutshell.

    My god, I wish some mainstream media outlet would cover this.

  •  No decency (none)
    So many outrages are highlighted here on this site everyday. One can grow numb, but this is so disturbing on so many levels. It is incredible to learn how many sordid minds and poisoned souls inhabit the right wing landscape. How low will they sink and why is it the left with the PR problem?
    •  that's what I want to know?! (4.00)
      I had a woman tell me the Democratic party was "immoral"! And yet they do this and WE're the bad guys most of the time?

      You know, a lot has made me mad the last few days with the smears, but this outrages me the most.

  •  Dr Jeckyll/.My Hyde (none)
    I diaried this observation a while ago.  The offical face of the RW,George W, will take a few minutes off from fundraising and brush duty to pretend he feels Cindy's pain.

    Meanwhile, the dittoheads and the freeper typeswhoop it up, braying out loud how they really feel:  Torture is brilliant. We hate ragheads.  Lost your son?  Bush lied us into war?  We don't care.

  •  a new low (4.00)
    Can you imagine troops stationed overseas seeing news footage of Americans shouting "We don't care" over a mother the death of one of their own?

    You can teach creationism in our school if we can teach calculus in your church.

    by offred on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 08:11:36 PM PDT

  •  Smearing Cindy Sheehan (4.00)
    Frontpaged on google now  - Salon Article

    Smearing Cindy Sheehan

    Aug. 13, 2005  |  August was supposed to have been a quiet month for George W. Bush. Last year, the president cut short his customary weekslong vacation in order to campaign for reelection, so this year, unencumbered, he'd planned to spend more than a month in the sweltering heat of his ranch in Crawford. Then, last week, Cindy Sheehan, a grieving Northern California woman whose son was killed in Baghdad, Iraq, in April 2004, showed up on Bush's vacation doorstep. She refuses to leave until Bush meets her in person. Nothing's been quiet in Crawford ever since.

    --- more at Salon link above --

    Thoughts from Connecticut - Cindy daily updates The Lonestar Iconoclast

    by ctsteve on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 08:14:35 PM PDT

    Liberal talk radio host GUY JAMES will be live in Crawford, TX tomorrow night, 6-9 PM EST!

    You can listen live at his website, .

    He plans to interview Cindy Sheehan and others who are protesting there.

    Tune in to the show...(he's also on WINK 1240AM and WNOG 1270 AM).

    Thank you to Mike Malloy for informing us of this tonight on your radio show.

  •  n/t (none)
    The Caravan of Cowards.
  •  "Surrounded by Idiots" (4.00)
    The slogan on the Gallager's Army bus is "Surrounded by Idiots". But we all know that if you load your bus up with idiots, you'll definitely be surrounded by them.

    Apparently this simple fact didn't dawn on the Simpleton in charge.

    "They may agree that failure isn't an option, but this does not mean they will necessarily avoid it." - David Manning re: BushCo in DSM

    by DavidW in SF on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 08:39:43 PM PDT

  •  Dang (4.00)
    Just posted a first-rate rant in response to MangoMango, but his/her commnet must have been deleted.  Some of my best work disappears with the trolls!
    •  Oh! To be MangoMango! (4.00)
      [ dissolve to interior, Mango's dressing room, as he tries to squeeze into the room and escape his Fans' grips ]

      Fans: Mango! Mango!

      Mango: Go away! Mango wants to be alone! [ closes the door on all his fans ] Oh, why must I be Mango? Why can't I be someone else. Someone normal. Like say.. John Ritter? But, no. I have to be Mango.

      [ the Gangleader stands outside Mango's dressing room, calling for him ]
      Gangleader: Mango!

      Mango: No! Go away! No more Mango for you!

      Gangleader: Mango! [ turns to the Fans ] Back off! [ he fights his way through the Fans and enters Mango's dressing room, slamming the door behind him ]
      Mango: What is it? Who are you?

      Gangleader: My name is Lucius Monroe. But they call me Hard Core. I deal in stolen cars and drugs. But, now you are the only drug I'm addicted to. [ holds out a gift for Mango ]

      Mango: [ knocks the gift to the floor ] If you start out using Mango, it will only lead to more Mango. And then, pretty soon, you'll need more and more and more and more of the Mango, until there is no more Mango left. Not even for Mango!

      Gangleader: [ pulls out a gun and points it at Mango ] If I can't have you, I'm prepared to take you!

      Mango: Can you take the color blue out of the sky? Can you grab the mountains and put them in a pocket? Can you sit down at a table with a knife and fork and try to eat a rainbow? No! And such is Mango!
      Gangleader: [ misty-eyed ] I see now. I was stupid to think I could have you.

      Mango: Yes, that's right. [ reaches for the Gangleader ]

      Gangleader: Mango! Please!

      Mango: No! Get out! I hate you!

      [ Gangleader turns away, as Mango reaches again ]

      Gangleader: But, it's just..

      Mango: No! You can't have-a the Mango!

      [ Mango spanks himself and reaches for the Gangleader, who stops one last time ]

      Gangleader: Goodbye, Mango! [ steps out of the dressing room and yells at the Fans ] Back off! Back off!


      Sorry that's a bit long.  But I love it!

      We know through painful experience that freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed. -MLK

      by JLFinch on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 10:30:05 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  A spelling lesson for mangomango (4.00)
    The next time you spread your troll-shit around, learn to spell: it's "censor," not "sensor." Did you stick the crayons too far up your nose or did you eat the wrong paste back in kindergarten?


    Ronald D. Moore is my master now.

    by Ari Mistral on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 08:54:09 PM PDT

  •  geez (4.00)
    This is truely disgusting. What are they feeding these people to make them have so much hate in their heart for us? I really dislike what Bush and his puppets have done to this country but I could never say I hate them because I don't. I hate what they are doing but I don't hate least not yet anyway. This really is a scary time to be a American. My mother-in-law and I were talking the other day and we both have no doubt if they could, they would physically hurt a Liberal/Democrat if they thought they wouldn't get their asses thrown in jail. I would hate to run into one in a dark alley by myself.

    What a shame for our children to have to witness this type of behavior.

  •  Opportunity knocks! (4.00)
    These fools seem as if they are trying to replicate nonviolent protest tactics with their chanting.  Such a shame that they are chanting evil.

    As other commenters pointed out, the best reponse is to completely ignore these people.  As they chant "I don't care," read the names of each of the over 1,800 Americans and tens of thousands of Iraqis who have lost their lives in this quagmire.  For those with family representing, respectfully remember something about these victims of the GOP's war: their favorite foods, colors, movies, etc.  

    Let the public see the difference.

    I don't think our troops should be used for what's called nation building. - George W. Bush, 2000

    by GN1927 on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 08:58:09 PM PDT

  •  wasn't there media there taping the scene? (none)
    one of them must have recording the not caring freepers.
  •  Rove... (4.00)
    has always demonstrated a propensity for the near-violent confrontation.  This harkins back to the army of thugs (in cardigans) that showed up at the Board of Election offices in Florida.  As it turned out, they were GOP operatives.

    Here, the GOP is in the midst of a PR melt-down.  Their polls are in the terlet and here's this one, quiet woman getting more air-time than Bush.  The other attempts to discredit, smear, slime, etc. have not been working so now it's time to gear it up while getting some air-time back.  

    •  Bingo. Remember Rove hiring the homeless? (none)
      Maybe that's what you're referring to... The classic Rove tactic: pay 'em with food or money to show up.

      I have full trust that we'll keep fighting the good fight while the cabal leans on its tired tactics. I'm not saying that this busload is homeless, but it wouldn't surprise me if the riders were as bought and paid-for as congressional bill riders. Wonder how much they got to join the bus and run away... I mean, beyond their free "Support the troops" t-shirts.

      Their joyful expressions in the Iconoclast photos... sorry, it's just hard to take seriously given the reek of Rovism.

  •  I hope oursode is getting video and clean audio (none)
    of this.
  •  They Hate Us (4.00)
    Because they are afraid, that's my thought. I've often wondered... in the 1990s, it was power, party. They did everything they could to destroy Clinton because he "stole" their agenda.

    But that was more the party... the people, like the ones chanting, they hate now based on 9/11. They're deathly afraid. Which kills me because so many of them are not in NY or Washington, or even in a big city.

    I think they truly believe that Bush is fighting those terrorists and we're a bunch of liberals that want to love everyone and have no understanding at all that sometimes you have to fight. We understand that. We understand the difference, though, between Afganistan and Iraq. They don't.

    There's more to it, of course, the Christians think we all got into bed with Madeline O'Hare and got that prayer out of school and we've been destroying the moral fiber of the country ever since. They hate that we got the Supreme Court to agree that a woman could have an abortion. They blame the increase in crime on our "liberal" policies such as the Miranda warning, and that we're the ones that are soft on crime. They believe we are infecting our children with too much sex and violence because we support freedom of speech, and fight censorship. The list goes on and on... the hatred grew to a boiling point with 9/11 and because terrorism is such a black and white issue (and it is -- terrorism is wrong), that any disagreement means we don't agree that terrorism is wrong. They cannot comprehend that we just think differently about how to go about fighting it.

    What's so sad is their fear and hatred is exactly what Bin Laden wanted. I think he's winning this war; we're eating our own, destroying our reputation, going bankrupt, and many of us are dying and its all because of 9/11.

  •  asdf (none)
    Is there any footage of this? Be a good thing to have... to show to all my Republican friends and family.

    Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. -Samuel Johnson

    by bhlogger on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 09:49:41 PM PDT

  •  They don't care (none)
     they said as they prayed.  Who would Jesus not care about?  
  •  What every anti-war and veteran's group.... (none)
    ...should be doing right now is start printing up bumperstickers and yellow ribbon magnets with "We Care About Our Troops" and give them out with every donation to their group.

    They want to say they "support the troops", let 'em, but remind them that they don't care for them like a member of the family, like we do.

    Amateurs talk strategery, professionals talk logistics

    by Young Freud on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 11:00:10 PM PDT

  •  Oh, Please, Oh Please... (4.00)
    Let someone have gotten that on tape for the 2006 campaigns:

    (White text on Black Screen)
    [number] Dead In Iraq to date
    CUT TO Video:


    and so on....end up with


    Dulce Bellum Inexpertis. -Erasmus

    by JDRhoades on Fri Aug 12, 2005 at 11:07:24 PM PDT

  •  Yuck. (none)
    I Hope those nasty new comers, those "anti-protestors" leave soon!
  •  Did anyone tape this (none)
    or did any news media broadcast any footage? I hope there is video so can have our intelligence insulted watching how Faux News tries to spin it.

    "Just when they think they know the answer, I change the question!" R.Piper

    by McGirk SF on Sat Aug 13, 2005 at 12:48:59 AM PDT

  •  video or tape (none)
    I am googling this now to see if any reports, no luck so far.  This is huge
  •  Someone Document This Stuff (none)
    Even if it's only amateur video, do it.  Every chant.  Every slogan.  Every word.

    Shame is the best cure for this illness.

    More dangerous are the functionaries ready to believe and to act without asking questions.

    by Titian on Sat Aug 13, 2005 at 04:45:19 AM PDT

  •  Found this online... (none)

         Join Mike Today for his Pro-America Bus Trip to Crawford, TX!

          EMAIL MIKE or call (972) 831-1920 to find out how you can be a part of it.


          CLICK HERE to hear today's show, available daily from 9am til 6pm ET. Other times, go to archived shows to find the specific program you're looking for.

  •  Dallas Talk Radio Poll (none)
    Here is a poll from right-wing blatherer, Mark Davis, in Dallas.  Maybe we can change the numbers.  The site is

    A Mother's Cause?
    The Mark Davis Show has discussed the vigil of war protester Cindy Sheehan at the Bush ranch in Crawford. She lost her son in Iraq and wants to meet with the President for a second time to discuss her grievances.

    What are your thoughts?      
    Ms. Sheehan deserves a visit from the President. He should talk to her. 14%  

    Ms. Sheehan is an anti-war crackpot and deserves nothing from President Bush. 81%    

    If this drags on long enough and creates enough bad press, President Bush should go ahead and meet with her. 5%  

    •  Went there but all of the options (none)
      had x's next to them and I couldn't tell if my clicking on one had any effect at all.
    •  Go vote! (none)
      Let's Kossify this poll! Yes, clicking on the Xs is how you vote. It would be nice to see the numbers flip in a few hours or so! -- poll is at the bottom of the page

    •  Way to Go, Kossacks! (none)
      In three hours, here is how the numbers have changed!!

      Ms. Sheehan deserves a visit from the President. He should talk to her. 62%  

      Ms. Sheehan is an anti-war crackpot and deserves nothing from President Bush. 36%  

      If this drags on long enough and creates enough bad press, President Bush should go ahead and meet with her. 2%  

  •  Brainless Minions.. that is what they are (none)
    They do not care... about the troops.
    They do not care about the dead soldiers..
    They do not care... about the families of the fallen...
    They do not care about lies from those in power...
    They do not care ......

    The world is watching... and the world DOES care.

    They are showing themselves for what they truly are... brainless minions that will whore themselves out for whatever cause the right tells them to. I can't believe that any of them actually thought that was a good idea... hope it haunts them forever..

    If they actually put two braincells together they would have seen it for a bad idea... they need to put that into a commercial..there is no need to try and make them look worse than they are... they are simply just that bad.

    "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." -Martin Luther King, Jr. _______ "We will not be silent." -Howard Dean

    by jigsaw68 on Sat Aug 13, 2005 at 06:47:25 AM PDT

  •  we cut him up! (none)
    yesterday Gallagher's site had him in "uniform"
    with a heading of Mike's Army .... its gone!  omg do you think someone from headquarters said "Mike, get that gd stuff off, you ChickenhawK!"
  •  Bin Laden Doesn't Care Either... (4.00)
    By saying they don't care, they are sanctioning terrorism, war, and the killing of Americans and other innocents. So actually, that then makes them terrorist enablers under their own Patriot Act.

    By saying they don't care, their condoning the death of Americans by taking the side of terrorists who don't care if Americans die makes them traitors.

    It also makes them despicable human beings.

  •  Let's Video them Throwing Away Recruitment Apps (none)
    Let's video tape Cindy's people handing out recruitment applications to all the protesters and let's see if we can get on video any of them crumbling up the recruitment applications and throwing them away.

    Would make for a great video moment.

  •  Any sound clips available??? (none)
    or tape? Something to caputre their anti-American... anti-troop sentiments???

    "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." -Martin Luther King, Jr. _______ "We will not be silent." -Howard Dean

    by jigsaw68 on Sat Aug 13, 2005 at 08:06:32 AM PDT

  •  They were chanting "We don't care?" (none)

    For once, they were telling the truth.

    Finally, transparency.

    Next?  Accountability.

  •  What was the point of the counterprotest? (none)
    They came for 30 min. and they chanted "I don't care."  Did they not want to be bothered?  Why would you ride on a bus for a 1/2 protest?  They can't even stand up for their own beliefs?

    Keep an open mind, but don't let your brains fall out.

    by Unstable Isotope on Sat Aug 13, 2005 at 09:03:35 AM PDT

  •  The difference between Mrs Sheehan (none)
    And the Mike Gallaghers and their supporters are that She has paid personally for the right to express her opinions, paid in blood, and few if any of them have flesh invested.

    She has more of a right to her opinions about the war in Iraq and to state them, than George Bush has even to have started this war.

    The superiority of her moral right to do so can be found in the fact that Gallaghers brown shirts took the bus to Crawford, and not to Baghdad to risk themselves for what they claim to beleive in.

  •  I'll be there Monday. (none)
    I'm looking forward to that famous ol' Texas hospitality.

    PLUS! I'm bringing a couple of care packs so I can send them with a Crawford postmark.

    Mamas don't let your babies grow up to be KILLED BY Cowboys.

    by GoMommyGo on Sun Aug 21, 2005 at 04:45:41 PM PDT

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