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Via Atrios, the Administration begins to rub its eyes and take in just exactly what transpired in those snapshot drunken moments that most call 2001 thru 2005.  Time to face reality:

The goal now is to ensure a constitution that can be easily amended later so Iraq can grow into a democracy, U.S. officials say.

Ah yes...  Juan Cole discusses this, citing such a process to be similar to the United States' conundrum in breeding its own Civil War when writing its Constitution.

Cole is right of course, but I think it's significant that reality is at long last being faced. Iraq never had a chance at Democracy and it was foolish to think otherwise. At least this news signals that perhaps the fools have tired of playing in their own excrement.

If the bar for success has become an Islamic State, Bush can finally "declare victory" and order our boys home.

*UPDATE*: Dr. Tom More dead-pegs the source as Rummy moments before I post this diary (sorry for the overlap Dr. More)

Originally posted to Lush on Sat Aug 13, 2005 at 11:12 PM PDT.

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  •  No Victory. (none)
    I want our troops home as well, but we cannot let Bush get away with declaring Iraq a "victory" do so would only encourage pursuit of further "victories".
    •  Well Get Ready to Fight. (none)
      Because here it comes, big as day.
      •  Oh, I agree (none)
        thats exactly what he is going to do...and we must be prepared in our response.  This could be the biggest challenge we have in 2008.
      •  But what about all the Terrorist (4.00)
        that he is fighting over there, so he doesn't have to fight them here? I thought Freedom was on the March? Doesn't sound like they are anywhere near Free over there. Oh well, on to Iran.

        *"I went to protest Dobson, and all I got was this damn feeding tube*

        by Chamonix on Sat Aug 13, 2005 at 11:22:22 PM PDT

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        •  Gone... (none)
          Now they are violent extremists. And those are the folks that you have to live with and try to get to put down their weapons to take up the banner of "growing into a democracy." After all, many democratic societies have small groups of folk who grumble about the process.

          There was a meeting. It was discussed. The SecDef said it was so in several interviews. Didn't you get the memo? No more WOT.

          "Computer. End holographic program...Computer? Computer?"

          by kredwyn on Sun Aug 14, 2005 at 01:23:19 AM PDT

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  •  declaring victory in the face of reality (none)
    is fucking hoo-larr-y-us!! yeah, so is everything else this monkey has done and said. ha. im sure in his "victory" speeeeeech he will say something like "victoryliciousness"

    It's ok to be stupid if everybody else is.

    by mkf on Sat Aug 13, 2005 at 11:18:14 PM PDT

  •  niiiice (none)
    the fools have tired of playing in their own excrement.

    That is the best I have heard anyone phrase what they are doing yet.

  •  I disagree with this comment. (4.00)
    "Iraq never had a chance at Democracy and it was foolish to think otherwise."

    Iraq had a slim chance at Democracy in 91.  

    One of the bitterest pills to swallow when it comes to the Bush family is to watch one generation incite the Iraqi's to revolt against Saddam.  Then abandon them, to be mowed down by the thousands.  The next generation of Bush comes along and when the first lie is discovered BushII portrays himself as the savior of Iraq bringing them freedom and Democracy.  I can't stand it.

    There was another window of opportunity early on in Operation Iraqi Freedom when Bush might have pulled it off.  If he had, I would have swalloed that pill because the blood is on all our hands.

    A failed President= August 6 PDB, Bin Laden? DSM, WMD's? Abu Ghraib, Rove/Plame

    by Gator on Sat Aug 13, 2005 at 11:32:43 PM PDT

    •  That'll Teach Me for Saying "Never". (none)
      But I think think it's a defensible statement given that '91 is outside the scope of my comment, which addressed only those holding the bag, so to speak.

      Any other chance of Democracy would have to presuppose that the Bush Cabal wasn't calling the shots.  In other words, while I agree that there was some chance at Democracy, there was no chance where the persons calling the shots valued securing oil over security and national stability.

      •  You're right (none)
        For the USA to successfully export democracy it needs to be the primary focus of the mission and preferably not at the point of a gun.

        Bush ruined democracy in Iraq when it became his raison du jour for war.

        A failed President= August 6 PDB, Bin Laden? DSM, WMD's? Abu Ghraib, Rove/Plame

        by Gator on Sat Aug 13, 2005 at 11:59:58 PM PDT

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  •  Bush = America Defeated in the War On Terror. (4.00)
    An Islamic state is not victory.  Not in Iraq.  Not in the WoT.  It is defeat.  In both.  

    BL's cabal found refuge in Taliban Afghanistan, an islamic state.  (Which was created by BushI's abandoning them after the USSR cracked, let we forget.)  BL's cabal killed 3000 Americans to promote the rise of Islamic rule in Muslim countries.  His big nemesis in that part of the world was Sadam.  Sadam was a geopolitical bar to Iran and aid via the Bath party to a secular Syria.  A murderous monster, yes, but ask Kissenger about supporting (let alone tolerating) such for geopolitical purposes (and at least Sadam was in a box).

    So of course we remove Sadam and produce what any sane and sober analyst knew would be result of W's folly - an islamic Iraq (if not Greater Persia).

    Oh goody! Another islamic state that can repress women, teach its youth to hate the 'Great Satan' and its 'Christian allies' and, ultimately, become another brick in the victory of BL's ideology in the muslin world.

    And they will have nukes (actually they already do, Pakistan) and ICBMs.  

    Oh, I and the kids feel soooo much safer.

    And for this 1800+ GI's died and 20000 mained?!


    •  And Osama (none)
      wanted us out of Saudi Arabia and he got it.  The middle East is lost for a long while.  I think Isreal sees the writing on the wall and that is why they are pulling back from Gaza.

      A failed President= August 6 PDB, Bin Laden? DSM, WMD's? Abu Ghraib, Rove/Plame

      by Gator on Sun Aug 14, 2005 at 12:04:10 AM PDT

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    •  Bush = Strengthening the Axis of Evil (none)
      Iraq goes from being an independent member of the Axis of Evil to a ward of Iran, which is a much more pronounced foe of the U.S. than Iraq ever was, and an official sponsor of terrorist groups in Lebanon and elsewhere.  Iran not only gets to control southern Iraq and its oil, but it now can thumb its nose at the rest of the world and recommence building a nuclear weapons capability (just like the third member of the Axis of Evil, North Korea).

      An let's not forget that Bush took the U.S. at the very apex of its global military power, and destroyed its armed forces for decades to come, showed to the world how the most advanced military ever created could be defeated, bankrupted the country in the process, and neglected to deal with catastrophic long term problems like global warming and oil dependency.  This is a record for the ages - clearly the worst president of the U.S.

  •  Sounds like... (none)
    Rummy has taken his beer goggles off.
  •  This is the end (none)
    But it's not over. The repercussions will continue for years, for us and for the Iraqis.

    What a waste.  Bush supporters, this is your fault.

    My Liberal Values: a clean earth, universal access to health care, human and civil rights, a broader distribution of wealth, and a global perspective

    by Pellice on Sun Aug 14, 2005 at 03:00:03 AM PDT

  •  flip flop flip flop flip flop FLOP SPLAT! n/t (none)

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