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So with the novelty of seeing Clark at the top of every dKos Presidential poll wearing off, I thought it might be interesting to see who we'd hate to see running in 2008. No Democratic infighting please, think about Republican candidates.
Who would be your ultimate nightmare? Someone you think would have a real potential to win, maybe even a chance to completely wipe the floor with us. Who would it be? Who is the nightmare candidate we could be facing? Poll below the fold.

The poll is made up of names I've heard floating around, plus filled up with names from a recent CNN/Gallup poll.

Originally posted to Expat Briton on Mon Aug 22, 2005 at 01:09 PM PDT.

Poll

Pick a Candidate

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| 294 votes | Vote | Results

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  •  My nominee? (none)
    Condoleeza Rice. She'd get all the hardcore Republicans by default, and a large number of women and African Americans might well switch sides on principle. Democrats running a woman or an African American would not see that sort of voter increase at all IMO. She would make it very hard for us to win, and would be a neocon disaster for the country to boot.
  •  Patrick Fitzgerald (none)
    Heck, even I'd have to think about voting for him...
    •  I'd keep him as a prosecutor. (none)
      Heck, I'd almost like to have someone like him watching over a Democratic administration, so anyone who even thought about corruption would then think better of it.
    •  Hagel (none)
      That's why I picked Hagel -- he is right on enough foreign policy issues that I would be tempted to support him.  Why don't we encourage him to become a Democrat instead?  (Does anyone know his positions on other issues?  I mainly know him as a thorn in BushCo's side on the talk shows.)
      •  when you want to know someone's issue positions (4.00)
        Project Vote Smart to the rescue.
        http://www.vote-smart.org/npat.php?can_id=BC031069
        some highlights:

        "eliminate" federal funding for the arts.
        "greatly increase" defense spending.
        "slightly decrease" income taxes for individuals; "greatly decrease" capital gains taxes.
        Advocates school vouchers.
        Wants to promote ethanol research and use.
        Supports a version of the Patients' Bill of Rights.
        Wants to make English the official language of the US.
        "Human rights & environmental concerns should not be the deciding factor in approving trade agreements. Trade enhances democracy & human rights."
        Supports privatizing Social Security.

        all answers as of 2002.

        •  ugh (none)
          Thanks, I needed that.  Sigh, even the Republicans that are sensible about the war are disgusting on some many other points.  Although ethanol (as a automotive fuel, rather than as a conversation fuel) is a lunacy that is shared by all Midwesterners, even Daschle, as I recall.

          One nice thing about this site is that the turn-around time for standing corrected is very short.  I think this makes us all collectively smarter.  We have flamers on this side of the blogosphere too, but on the whole, the discussions are much more constructive and collaborative than on the other side.  Perhaps this will be our answer to the Right Wing Think Tanks -- just tapping the intellectually curious of those on the left.

          So again thank you.  I will now not have to worry about the temptations of Hagel.

          (This is misposted below -- now I hope it is tied to your message.)

  •  Ohh John McCain (none)
    I cannot help but like you, and I am the partisan wing of the partisans.

    And for that, I fear you.

    "The truth is never pure and rarely simple"--Oscar Wilde

    by VirginiaBelle on Mon Aug 22, 2005 at 01:16:26 PM PDT

  •  George Allen (4.00)
    George Allen is the scariest.  He is a wingnut disguised as a moderate.  The wingnuts will vote for him in the primary because they know he is one of them.  Middle America will embrace him in the General election because they will be fooled by his appearance of moderation.

    McCain has no chance of winning the nomination, which makes him less threatening.

    •  Allen is a rubberstamp (none)
      Besides, the difficulty is winning New Hampshire is that everyone actually does get to meet you.....and hear the same god-damned football metaphor again and again and again and again.

      "The truth is never pure and rarely simple"--Oscar Wilde

      by VirginiaBelle on Mon Aug 22, 2005 at 01:24:13 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Ugh, the football metaphors (none)
        He's like one of those kiddie "make me talk dolls," and every third time you punch his button he makes a football metaphor.
        •  A lesson in talking from George Allen (4.00)
          How's the weather, George?

          GA: Like standing on a 40 yard line on the first game of the season!

          Why does gas cost so much?

          GA: It's like when a running back needs to get the first down. You need to go over a lot of running backs to get there.

          What should we do about Iraq?

          GA: Stay the course. You don't give up on the game during the third quarter, even when you're ahead 40-nothing. You stay through the whole game.

          But, Sen. Allen, shouldn't we adapt our playing strategy to match that of the opposing team?

          GA: A good coach knows that you play to your strengths. If you're a running team, you run. You don't pass just because the other guy wants you to.

          But, the other guy wants us to run.....because he can block the run....do you follow?

          GA: You're un-American.

          "The truth is never pure and rarely simple"--Oscar Wilde

          by VirginiaBelle on Mon Aug 22, 2005 at 01:39:32 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Now I'm scared, I really, really am (none)
            Holy crap football metaphors just pluck up the voters in places like Ohio, Florida, Michigan, Iowa.

            An empty suit who's really, really conservative, appears moderate and is the son of an NFL football coach?  And ISN'T a Senator?

            Yikes.

            •  I stand corrected (none)
              Allen is a Senator.  Enough said.

              Whew.  

              I will say this: he DOES look stupid, that's for sure.

              Of course, a great deal depends on the economy and Iraq.  If somehow we can pin both on Republicans in general AND Inside-the-Beltway Senators (like Allen), then I see an outsider like Clark or Dean winning.

              I will tell you who WON'T be President in '08: A Washington insider, that's for damn sure.

            •  Is a Senator (none)
              We do have that going for us.

              He's also beatable in a Senate match-up were Warner to enter. (But I want Warner to run for president and would rather have Allen as my senator and Warner as my president)

              Oh, and he's anti-immigration, so say good-bye to the Southwest...

              "The truth is never pure and rarely simple"--Oscar Wilde

              by VirginiaBelle on Mon Aug 22, 2005 at 01:54:43 PM PDT

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    •  Also... (none)
      Chuck Hagel won't win the primary, but I have to admit that he would be my first choice.  As much as I want a Democrat to win, I could actually tolerate a Hagel Presidency.
      •  Don't rule out Hagel, (none)
        who's never lost an election, after becoming involved with an electronic voting company. Just google Hagel and electronic voting, and you'll get the scoop.

        --
        The neocons will not give us our country back. If we want it back, we'll have to take it.
        --Lila Garrett

        by peacemonger on Mon Aug 22, 2005 at 01:58:05 PM PDT

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      •  sure about that? (none)
        see upthread partial breakdown of his stated positions.
        •  I don't agree with all his positions, but (none)
          He seems trustworthy.  I don't think he will tolerate slimy campaign tactics.  I don't think he would mislead people about his positions.  Most impotantly, I beleive he will put country ahead of party and self interest.  
    •  Yes! (none)
      Allen scares the bejezus out of me, too. There is something about him that is so, I don't know, Steven King-ish about him. But just not that deep. Stupid, really.

      So he probably will be our next prez.

      The Rethugs like their stupid more than their pick-ups and hound dawgs.

      A vote for a Republican is a vote for Bush.

      by Maine Atticus on Mon Aug 22, 2005 at 01:31:29 PM PDT

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    •  But he's a total dumbass. (none)
      Oh wait...

      Goddamn... He IS scary.

  •  I fear Cheney (none)
    I think they're going to try to put him up there, and that they're going to rig this thing once and for all. What I fear most is the feeling that our votes are not being counted, and that this whole discussion is kind of beside the point. If Cheney gets "elected", we will know that the experiment is over, and democracy has failed.
    •  In An Unrigged Election (none)
      McCain would be the hardest to beat because he would get the most swing votes.

      But if they put Cheney in there, he will win again because the election would be rigged by the same people who've been doing it since 2000.

      Impeach Cheney/Bush NOW!

      There is a wisdom of the head, and a wisdom of the heart.-Charles Dickens

      by Ranting Roland on Mon Aug 22, 2005 at 01:35:32 PM PDT

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    •  I gotta say I said the same thing (none)
      about a 2nd Bush term.  What I'm hoping for is that they run Cheney, and get caught really red-handed.  And then they lose political power for a generation when people realize that they were actually stealing these elections, which most people still haven't mentally grasped yet...
  •  Brownback (none)
    Can motivate the Biblethumpers while not turning off the Wall St. and Main St. crowds.

    No-one who voted against the USAPATRIOT Act has lost an election. I am not currently Licensed to Practice in this State. Or Yours.

    by ben masel on Mon Aug 22, 2005 at 01:27:33 PM PDT

  •  you forgot 3rd bush term! (none)
    I wouldn't put it past his dumb ass to try...
    •  Amendment would never pass, (none)
      so the only way would be if he suspended the constitution through some sort of coup (can you have a coup against yourself?). I think it would be the quick way to plunge the country into violent uprising, and his puppetmasters won't want that to happen.
      •  It would also free up the Big Dog to run again. (none)
        I doubt they'd risk that.  He'd mop the floor with chimpy.

        If you can read this, thank a Democrat.

        by red clay dem on Mon Aug 22, 2005 at 01:46:20 PM PDT

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      •  Coup Against Yourself (none)
        Louis Napoleon Bonaparte was the President of the French Second Republic. He overthrew the Republic to become Emperor Napoleon III.

        There is no man alive who is sufficiently good to rule the life of the man next door to him. Sir Rhys Hopkin Morris, M.P.

        by Gary J on Mon Aug 22, 2005 at 02:32:14 PM PDT

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  •  Okay, fess up... (none)
    Who voted for Mitt Romney?  

    Must be psychological warfare.  Mitt Romney!  What a terrifying thought!  He might even carry five states!  

  •  couple of contenders not mentioned...... (none)
    Tim Pawlenty gov minn
    Smilin Norm Coleman sen minn

    these are 2 scary individuals that will look good on the repubs ticket...from a blue state....the repubs will think that one of these could carry MN, WIS, IA, MiCH.....

    they are my 2 darkhorse picks that could go a long way...

    Blue is the most popular color

    by jalapeno on Mon Aug 22, 2005 at 01:50:13 PM PDT

  •  McCain's old and crotchety. (none)
    Giuliani is a one-trick pony. Frist is a boring bumbler. Cheney is an obviously evil conniver.

    The ones that scare me are Hagel, who has been talking quite a bit of sense lately from an old-school conservative point of view, and Gov. Huckabee(spelling?)

    Jeb is a Bush, which used to be an asset, but will be poison in 18 months, if it isn't already.

    --
    The neocons will not give us our country back. If we want it back, we'll have to take it.
    --Lila Garrett

    by peacemonger on Mon Aug 22, 2005 at 01:55:32 PM PDT

    •  Huckabee (none)
      Raised taxes. Grover Norquist has given him the kiss of death in any primary.

      And Hagel will not run if McCain does. Not to mention that he'll have a hell of a time competing for the same market-share Pataki, Romney, and Guilliani are running for.

      "The truth is never pure and rarely simple"--Oscar Wilde

      by VirginiaBelle on Mon Aug 22, 2005 at 02:19:32 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  ugh (none)
    Thanks, I needed that.  Sigh, even the Republicans that are sensible about the war are disgusting on some many other points.  Although ethanol (as a automotive fuel rather than a conversation fuel) is a lunacy that is shared by all Midwesterners, even Daschle, as I recall.
  •  Personally, I don't think the Dems (none)
    have reason to "fear" any of the prospective candidates. I think that this race will come down to the ability of the Democratic candidate to define a clear difference between the future presented by what the  incumbent party has to offer (more tax cuts!!!) and what a Democratic (hopefully progressive) adminstration would have to offer.

    The problem is not that the party has been steamrolled by invicible (or even demonstably more capable)candidates the last two elections, it comes down to some weird mix of money,connections and voter suppression.

    Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony!

    by BenM on Mon Aug 22, 2005 at 02:18:47 PM PDT

  •  The ultimate nightmare (none)
    Hillary v. Jeb. That rattling sound you'll hear will be the Founding Fathers turning in their graves.

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