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It's night here in the US, and the more we learn, the uglier things look. A sigh of relief is turning into growing horror. Here the best rundown of all the information I have in my tired head right now.

  • 50 known dead in one Mississippi county.
  • New Orleans is very much underwater and people are trapped on rooftops and in attics.
  • Conditions are breaking down in the Superdome and tempers are rising.
  • Gas prices are shooting upward.
  • Bush is still on vacation.
  • The states of Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana are desperately short on National Guard personnel.
  • Jeanne Meserve emotionally broke down over the phone while talking to Aaron Brown.

There are different facets of the aftermath covered on the news tonight and discussed on dkos. Might as well pull it together on one thread.

*UPDATE* Flood waters are still rising. People are continuing to be rescued through the night thanks to very heroic efforts. Meanwhile, the President is stilled scheduled to appear in San Diego before another hand-picked audience.

Originally posted to RandyMI on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 08:51 PM PDT.

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  •  The cameraman (none)
    who was with Jeanne Meserve is on now, and he is expecting hundreds of deaths in the area they had been at.

    He saw bodies, heard cries for help from the attics, and they had to leave the people there.

    It is going to be an awful awful tragedy.

    •  Experienced journalists like Jeanne Meserve (none)
      do not break down like that.  I heard her.

      It must be a horror.

      "Let all the dreamers wake the nation." -- Carly Simon

      by Cream City on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 09:00:08 PM PDT

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      •  And what's even more horrible to think about (none)
        is that she was talking about a 10 block radius that they covered in a huge poor neighboorhood that likely has thousands of people in it who were both unable to evacuate or go to the superdome.

        And we haven't even begun to get into the SE coastal areas of LA or the western coastal areas of MS.

        This is going to be devastating.

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        by lucid on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 09:20:36 PM PDT

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  •  It took several days (none)
    after Andrew before the country learned the true extent of the devastation and loss of life.
    Tonight, the very news media that were last night sounding alarmist are tonight, in my view, overplaying the "dodged a bullet" angle.
    As the Red Cross and the National Guard (the few that Bush have left stateside) move in to assess the damage we'll begin to learn the true scope.

    Nero fiddled. Bush bicycles.

    by jazzmaniac on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 08:54:43 PM PDT

    •  A levee has been breached (none)
      Water rising an inch a minute in hospitals in downtown New Orleans as water from Lake Ponchartrain pours in. The director is contemplating helicopter evacuations for all 1000 patients, all critically ill. This was just on CNN.
      •  Sorry, an inch every five minutes (none)
        Hearing it on repeat, the director clearly said the water is rising an inch every five minutes, but there was a mistaken CNN crawler for a while saying an inch a minute.
  •  CNN is reporting (none)
    This is horrible!  They are reporting that there are 300 - 500 people trapped in a neighborhood in New Orleans..."up to their rafters", trapped in their attics since early this morning.  The water is still rising, there are live power lines and gas in the water...no rescue attempts possible until morning.  According to the reporter:

    "...this is a large magnitude of homes, very low income, very poor people. Some people did not have the transportation or the means to get to the shelters or were able to evacuate."

    Arrogant lips are unsuited to a fool-- how much worse lying lips to a ruler - Proverbs 17:7

    by Barbara Morrill on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 08:57:34 PM PDT

    •  "low income" (none)
      What a surprise

      "We must all hang together or assuredly we will all hang seperately." - Ben Franklin

      by RandyMI on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 08:59:45 PM PDT

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      •  Low income (none)
        Considering that the New Orleans most people never see is: -Below the poverty line -Couldn't get out of the city -Black It's no wonder everyone looks at the central business district and declares that New Orleans "dodged a bullet". Shit - a'int nothin' but the 75% of New Orleanians who are black and in poverty that got flooded. Demand that CNN cover that angle.
        •  i disagree (none)
          i think cnn, or maybe, rather, the affiliates, are doing an excellent job of covering the disaster and rescue efforts.

          the local reporters have gone above and beyond the call of duty in going out on the storm (although i watched a lady in biloxi this morning who could barely stand up and was cussing a blue streak -- all bleeped out of course -- i'm pretty sure she was insane). they certainly don't get paid much to risk their lives.

          for the last couple hours cnn has been showing video of people being rescued, and another lady just gave a very good interview on a bridge in new orleans. the guy she was talking to said a whole neighborhood was under water, about a 20 square section. i believe the pictures and the on-the-spot reporting conveys the gravity of the situation.

          would you like more emotional breakdowns to get the message across??

          There are many who lust for the simple answers of doctrine or decree. They are on the left and right. They are terrorists of the mind. -- A. Bartlett Giamatti

          by FemiNazi on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 10:58:25 PM PDT

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      •  Well... (none)
        ...I lived in New Orleans for seven years, so I'm familiar with the area.  Lake Pontchartrain is the northern border of New Orleans East (area in question) while the breached levee in the industrial canal is just to the east,  if I'm remembering correctly.  And I'd describe the area as a mixture of low to middle income houses and apartments and within the past few years, a Six Flags amusement park.  It's also where Lockheed-Martin (Michoud Facility) builds the external fuel tank for the Space Shuttle.  

        Arrogant lips are unsuited to a fool-- how much worse lying lips to a ruler - Proverbs 17:7

        by Barbara Morrill on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 09:17:31 PM PDT

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    •  I guess... (none)
      ...I'm thinking "aftermath" may be premature.  I don't think the magnitude of this tragedy is even close to being completely understood.   I hope I'm wrong.  

       

      Arrogant lips are unsuited to a fool-- how much worse lying lips to a ruler - Proverbs 17:7

      by Barbara Morrill on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 09:01:11 PM PDT

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      •  water rising? (4.00)
        Jeanne Meserve also suggested that the water may be rising... she couldn't tell if it was just in certain places, but she noticed that water downtown had gone up by about 6 inches between the time they went out in the boat and when they got back.

        If it rises much further in that area with the one-story houses, it's going to be devastating.  I understand why many of those people didn't evacuate (Meserve did a great job talking about how poverty makes it difficult to just pick up and go), but what I don't understand is how the govt let people stay in one-story homes.  Couldn't they have forced an evacuation of buildings without at least three stories?

        You can follow the reports from Meserve this afternoon on the CNN site -- at 4pm she posted a report saying NO dodged the bullet, not a catastrophe, etc.  Then around 6pm, she posted another report, saying she was wrong and that there was horrible devastation.

        •  She was amazing (4.00)
          I heard her on CNN with Aaron Brown, earlier.  She was quite obviously upset by what she had seen and she didn't try and hide it.  I think Brown was getting rather choked up just listening to her.  I know I was.

          Arrogant lips are unsuited to a fool-- how much worse lying lips to a ruler - Proverbs 17:7

          by Barbara Morrill on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 09:20:23 PM PDT

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        •  Agreed, I rarely have heard (4.00)
          an experienced journalist so affected by a story.  It is not a story, a job, to her anymore.  And for Aaron Brown to drop that sardonic tone (which I enjoy) was something to see.  He was heartsick, too.

          As for the recommendation above to read Meserve's and others' accounts on CNN, I second it -- I saw some today but not all, and the reports are riveting.  Here's the link:

          http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/08/29/scene.blog/index.html

          "Let all the dreamers wake the nation." -- Carly Simon

          by Cream City on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 09:30:29 PM PDT

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        •  i wonder... (none)
          ....what exactly "mandatory evacution" means. when we have wild fires out here in the west, officials will practically forceably remove people from their homes.

          There are many who lust for the simple answers of doctrine or decree. They are on the left and right. They are terrorists of the mind. -- A. Bartlett Giamatti

          by FemiNazi on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 11:00:22 PM PDT

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          •  Mandatory evacuation (none)
            No, they can't make you leave, at least not in South Florida or in Mississippi. I lived through Hurricane Andrew and Hurricane Camille. I watched as police walked up and down the streets of Miami Beach warning people to get out. But citizens decide for themselves what they are going to do.

            In many cases, law enforcement officers warn people to leave, but they can't forcibly remove them. Police ask, and in some cases, firmly warn residents to get out. They also tell them that when winds reach a certain point they can not respond to emergency calls because they don't put their staff at risk in bad conditions.

            One day we ALL will know the truth about the 2000 presidential election. God help us all.

            by CocoaLove on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 11:47:35 PM PDT

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          •  don't know, but (none)
            I heard that a double amputee got rescued off a housetop (from CNN). So obviously, not even all the seriously infirmed had access to transport.

            (note: The emergency folks working this are obviously very brave and amazing. But upper-level leaders have had a very long time to plan for this, and the pumps are still old and breaking down, the levees sinking and decrepit, etc.)  

            •  i heard they were rescuing.... (none)
              ...people from a nursing home in new orleans. you'd think they'd have been gone before the storm....shameful....

              There are many who lust for the simple answers of doctrine or decree. They are on the left and right. They are terrorists of the mind. -- A. Bartlett Giamatti

              by FemiNazi on Tue Aug 30, 2005 at 02:31:04 AM PDT

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  •  Louisiana has to borrow Tx. National Guard (none)
    ...because 40% of Louisiana's Nat'l Guard force is in Iraq.

    http://dailykos.com/story/2005/8/29/212627/556

    Thanks, George! And fuck you!

  •  The 50 in one county (none)
    was somewhat retracted on Aaron Brown, saying the source backed down.

    That said, I wouldn't be surprised, from what was said and seen on Brown's show, if there are at least 500 dead from this storm, some in coming days.  At least one town in Mississippi is "gone," said one reporter.  The Mississippi governor is so shaken.

    Very alarming was a report from inside the SuperDome, where a worker said that tensions are rising in the awful conditions and could erupt soon.  It's wet and hot and muggy, it's dark, toilets are stopping, etc.  I hope the Guard there keep their cool.

    "Let all the dreamers wake the nation." -- Carly Simon

    by Cream City on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 09:04:21 PM PDT

  •  Looting (none)
    a growing problem in New Orleans, according to CNN.

    Some scenes they're showing look like the day after a nuclear disaster.  Where the levee broke in Kenner, a suburb, 40,000 homes damaged and the mayor expects electricity may not be restored for a month or more -- it essentially needs to be totally rebuilt.  Across the metro area, at least 300,000 without power.

    "Let all the dreamers wake the nation." -- Carly Simon

    by Cream City on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 09:09:13 PM PDT

  •  Power off. On. Off. On. Off again. (none)

     In Bhm.  Wind and rain's been dying down over the past few hours.  Not complaining about power being off, again, as compared to others who are truly suffering, or who lost their lives.

     BenGoshi
    __________________

     

    . . . religion is not a syllogism, but a poem. H.L. Mencken

    by BenGoshi on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 09:14:29 PM PDT

    •  Been wondering about you (none)
      Any takers on your impromptu 'shelter' offer?  
      Any news about NOLA/MS/AL kossaks?

      "Do Iraqi children scream when the bombs fall if no one is in the White House to hear them?" Bernard Chazelle

      by dmac on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 09:19:05 PM PDT

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      •  Not for mine, but I know... (4.00)

         Melody in Dallas got a couple-three takers.  I would like to know if, out of the literally hundreds of spaces made available, any others were taken up on there generous offers.  It would be a shame if all that space went to waste, given the need.

         When this kind of emergency comes up, Kos should have a prominantly-displayed LINK on the Front Page, where -- like the "Meet Up" website -- people can be matched with volunteers to take 'em in.  Just an idea.  It's a political website, but it's an international community of people who want to help when they can, too.

         BenGoshi
        _________________

         

        . . . religion is not a syllogism, but a poem. H.L. Mencken

        by BenGoshi on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 09:25:05 PM PDT

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        •  Absolutely, we need a system (none)
          for matching the needy and the resources.  It was a good try for the spur of the moment, but the way this country is headed, the disasters are only going to get worse and more numerous.  The Internet is incredibly powerful: let's figure out how to use it.
        •  Again (4.00)
          Something I'm working on, and I'd love your help:

          http://www.opencouches.org/

          I'll write the software and design the site and do whatever else we need to put a system in place.

          Power to the people 'cause the people want peace.

          by socratic on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 09:48:21 PM PDT

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          •  Socratic, thank you so much (none)
            for reposting this wonderful concept.  I've been thinking about it but have been too busy and tired to go look for it.  

            Just a few thoughts from the experience of trying to organize housing for Katrina refugees.  One, the incredible map Timroff did, showing the location of housing offers including those just added - wonder if something like that could be automated as a possible feature of your site?  Two, some way of organizing the offers geographically - e.g., GA has 12 regions that are used for various state govt and data collection purposes.  Three, how to deal with the fact that not everyone was willing to post their phone no. on the web (and emails become useless once people leave home); wonder if your system could work together with a network of local coordinators who would publish their phone numbers, and would use the resources on your system plus any made available to them privately.  Four, BenGoshi's suggestion of incorporating Red Cross and local shelter info.  

            Please keep us posted as your thinking develops and let us know what help you need.

            •  Some responses (4.00)
              First, as I said in my email, I'd like to keep this dialogue going off-site.  I may create a wiki site purely for depositing ideas for the site (a wiki is a freely editable metadocument; see www.wikipedia.com and note that you can edit any information page at any time).  

              Now, as to the suggestions:

              1.  Mapping: Mapping is fairly easy in PHP, I think.  It would probably be wise to limit displayed information to something like "number of people volunteering in a particular city" without reference to their username or email or any other information (for privacy and liability reasons).  
              2.  Related to 1.  One option would be to have the, um, seeker (the person looking for a place to crash) enter his or her address and specify a distance.  The seeker also specifies information like # of children, pets (and type), nutritional requirements (in general terms: vegan only, etc.). The system could then return cities within that region that have available spots.  The seeker clicks a city, provides an email address, confirms that email address (just like a forum registration system that sends you a confirmation email to make sure your address is legit), fills out a message to the volunteer with any specific information, and enters the queue.  The system would then automagically pick a volunteer from the queue and send that person both an email and an SMS (if available) indicating that someone would like to take their spot.  The volunteer could then accept or decline via computer or contact the seeker by phone (the volunteer would be provided with that information, along with instructions on turning off caller ID - we have to be sensitive to liability and privacy issues).  
              3.  In an emergency, perhaps some volunteers could list themselves as willing to be hooked up without all the intervening hoops.  These people would have to sign some sort of release.  As you can see, at no point in the chain (other than in this emergency contingency) does the seeker get any personally identifiable information of the volunteer; the volunteer gets the seeker's name and phone number (there probably also needs to be a vouching system, so people could attest that the person is who he says he is, but that's detail work).  So, unless a volunteer agreed to be freely available, people who are worried about their privacy would only have their information revealed to one person and, in fact, may complete the transaction only knowing that person's email address (if that).
              4.  Any other info that we could integrate into the flow would be great.  Obviously if we could find a way to notify hospitals in the volunteer's town if, say, the seeker had medical needs (for example), that would be awesome.

              If we're going to turn this into a permanent system, we have to deal with some serious privacy concerns, but I want to do this.  Any kossacks who are familiar with PHP and MySQL (and, probably, Drupal): I'd love to talk with you.

              Power to the people 'cause the people want peace.

              by socratic on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 11:18:29 PM PDT

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            •  This would probably work (none)
              http://myguestmap.lorca.eti.br/

              Basically, a user can put a pushpin on a Google Map and enter text with it, as well. See the example map on the right side of the page.

    •  Power On (none)
      7:30 PM today, since Katrina (the Lesser) last Friday.

      Stay inside, even afterward.  More deaths usually follow storms -- live wires under water can't be seen but water is still electrified and will kill you if you step in it.  Weakened limbs fall from trees.  Folks inhale their favorite friend's (your generator, of course) exhaust and people let their chain-saws tell them who's boss, etc.

      They burn our children in their wars and grow rich beyond the dreams of avarice.

      by Limelite on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 09:56:52 PM PDT

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      •  Power still off, and on... (none)

         At my house, as of 7:50 a.m., still off and all around my neighborhood and much-most of Mtn Brook, Ala, as far as I could tell; but go the other way and, wah-lah!, power on, as in at my office, where I am now, less than 5 minutes and a big hill (they call it a "mountain" here. heh.) away.  Different transmission lines, obviously.

         BenGoshi
        __________________

        . . . religion is not a syllogism, but a poem. H.L. Mencken

        by BenGoshi on Tue Aug 30, 2005 at 05:53:43 AM PDT

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    •  why can't they... (none)
      ....shut down the grid for that area, for just a day, so that they can at least get in and rescue people?

      There are many who lust for the simple answers of doctrine or decree. They are on the left and right. They are terrorists of the mind. -- A. Bartlett Giamatti

      by FemiNazi on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 11:02:04 PM PDT

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  •  Thanks for this diary RandyMI (none)
    I fell asleep watching Aaron Brown and woke to about the last 1/2 hr of his broadcast.  It bothered me so I had to find out if there was anyone else watching.  Someone earlier today kept telling us that the damage would not be known for as much as several days and I think I dismissed this a bit too much.  It is becoming increasingly clear that there is much we don't yet know.

    "Do Iraqi children scream when the bombs fall if no one is in the White House to hear them?" Bernard Chazelle

    by dmac on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 09:16:53 PM PDT

  •  Not Stealing Thunder (none)
    but sharing it.  I've diaried my Florida Katrina (and other huricane) experiences here.

    What I read above is ghastly and ungodly.  Is this true?  Just got my power back 7:30 PM from the relatively light hit (in comparison) I took here in Florida where, by last count I'm familiar with, 8 hurricane-associated deaths are recorded.

    Katrina has the potential to be the costliest natural disaster we've ever seen,probably exceeding Andrew.  And I'm believing the price of gasoline is going to reflect her impact in the most meaningful and sincerest way at the pump very soon.

    If any Kossacks have money to spare, contribute it to a participating relief agency or your choice.  Cash, in these circumstances, is the sincerest form of sympathy.

    They burn our children in their wars and grow rich beyond the dreams of avarice.

    by Limelite on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 09:17:40 PM PDT

    •  $3 a gallon (none)
      in some parts of the country soon was a prediction earlier today.  News you don't mind missing -- but glad you've got your power back.

      Now let's all turn down our ac and lights and huddle around the light of our computer screens.  Save energy. . . .

      "Let all the dreamers wake the nation." -- Carly Simon

      by Cream City on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 09:23:20 PM PDT

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      •  probably more than that... (none)
        ....in some places. i filled up today in southern colorado for $2.59. the attendant said gas is going up 30 cents here tomorrow.

        There are many who lust for the simple answers of doctrine or decree. They are on the left and right. They are terrorists of the mind. -- A. Bartlett Giamatti

        by FemiNazi on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 11:03:43 PM PDT

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        •  Lines already forming at stations tonight (none)
          according to my daughter, whose mother told her to fill her tank fast.  She doesn't make much.

          I'm glad I walk a block to work.

          "Let all the dreamers wake the nation." -- Carly Simon

          by Cream City on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 11:35:05 PM PDT

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          •  I'm four blocks from work (none)
            I'd been wondering if I was really going to be able to motivate myself to walk four whole blocks to work on those difficult mornings when I got like 2 hours of sleep the night before..  

            As if I didn't already have, I dunno, shame as a motivator, I think gas prices are going to give me the extra nudge.

            (though I do think they're going to come down a bit for a while before going back up permanently)

            Power to the people 'cause the people want peace.

            by socratic on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 11:44:22 PM PDT

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  •  Orleans Parish Prison? (none)
    i gather they didn't evacuate, and it's in one of the lower parts of town.

    No-one who voted against the USAPATRIOT Act has lost an election. I am not currently Licensed to Practice in this State. Or Yours.

    by ben masel on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 09:24:09 PM PDT

    •  OPP (none)
      "i gather they didn't evacuate, and it's in one of the lower parts of town." I don't know where you heard this, but it isn't true. The OPP lies aboveground, and prisoner floors are third floor and up, as with most city-based prisons.
    •  From prisontalk... (none)
      posted by Fed-X last night...

      Out of curiosity I called the Criminal Sheriff's Office over the Orleans Parish Jail / Prison about 10 minutes ago and asked if the inmates had been evacuated. The officer that I spoke to told me, "No, they are right here... Where they have always been. Where do you think we would put them?" Maybe ((((Out of the path of a hurricane!!??))))

      I asked if the jail was in New Orleans itself and she said, "Yes". I asked if if the jail was about ground level and she simply said, "They will be fine".
      I'm sure they are busy as heck so I didn't push it or bother to ask if visitation was going to be canceled tomorrow..

      link (may not work without registration). No follow up information yet...

    •  on cnn... (none)
      ...they said a nursing home was being evacuated. why weren't these people evacuated earlier i wonder...

      There are many who lust for the simple answers of doctrine or decree. They are on the left and right. They are terrorists of the mind. -- A. Bartlett Giamatti

      by FemiNazi on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 11:05:35 PM PDT

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  •  Bush still on Vacation (none)
    I wonder what the total combined Iraq/Katrina death toll will be during Bush's "down time".

    "We must all hang together or assuredly we will all hang seperately." - Ben Franklin

    by RandyMI on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 09:25:15 PM PDT

    •  not to support bush (none)
      but where was he going to go with the hurricane's projected track?  to the white house so he can sit in the middle of it?  the secret service wouldn't have allowed it.

      I can completely understand ridiculing him for taking vacations like this during a war, but asking him to fly to the white house through, or in front of, a hurricane just seems a bit unreasonable.

      Give me Liberty or give me death!

      by guyermo on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 09:33:30 PM PDT

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      •  But did he have to go enjoy the sun in AZ? (none)

        "We must all hang together or assuredly we will all hang seperately." - Ben Franklin

        by RandyMI on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 09:39:03 PM PDT

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      •  Well Let's See. . . (none)
        When brother Jeb called him around dawn last Saturday to delcare my neck of the woods a disaster area, ol' "W" responded, "I'll let you know Monday or Tuesday."

        Yeah, emergency disaster decisions are hard work.  What's he doing -- reading the sequel to My Pet Goat?

        Okay -- so he's not as bad as his dad and did manage to declare us this AM and did the Gulf Coast as well.

        They burn our children in their wars and grow rich beyond the dreams of avarice.

        by Limelite on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 10:00:47 PM PDT

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      •  i'm sure where ever he was... (none)
        ...he was catching up on his reading of my pet goat II.

        sorry for the snark

        There are many who lust for the simple answers of doctrine or decree. They are on the left and right. They are terrorists of the mind. -- A. Bartlett Giamatti

        by FemiNazi on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 11:06:45 PM PDT

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  •  1,000 trapped (none)
    CNN just had another report on the area in NO that is subsumed in water.  I just caught the end of it, but I think they said that city officials are estimating that 1,000 people are trapped.  I can't even imagine the scope of this, as it sounds as though there are other areas (esp. in Mississippi) that also have severe flooding.
  •  My boyfriend wanted to (none)
    buy a boat last week. Moments like this I wish I had let him...I'd be on my way there now if I had one...I just feel so extremely helpless.
  •  NOLA neighborhoods hardest hit (none)
    According to the Times-Picayune blog (which has the best on-the-scene coverage of Katrina's aftermath that I can find), the hardest hit neighborhoods were the Lower 9th ward, Treme, Bywater, and Gentilly.  

    The Greater New Orleans Community Data Center has demographic info on each neighborhood.  All the hard-hot neighborhoods are east of the CBD and French Quarter (Uptown and Carrollton did have significant debris and wind damage, but little flooding).  They appear to be majority African-American neighborhoods, the Lower 9th in particular.

    Don't blame me, I live in St. Louis (Kerry 80.4%, Bush 19.6%).

    by Buck Fush on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 09:35:28 PM PDT

    •  hard-HIT (none)
      grrr.

      Don't blame me, I live in St. Louis (Kerry 80.4%, Bush 19.6%).

      by Buck Fush on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 09:36:19 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Community Data (none)
      This link helped me locate the neighborhood of my cousin's house. According to their maps, de Montluzin Street is in the Gentilly Terrace district (area?). My cousin (B) and his wife (H) have three large dogs. They rode out the last storm although almost everyone else evacuated. This time, they had nowhere to take the dogs and my cousin's wife insisted on staying and made B leave. He drove west yesterday morning. Last I heard from H was an e-mail last night. I sent her a message but got no reply, so I'm guessing she lost electricity. Today, I get a busy signal from her phone, but I'm guessing that cell phone service is probably out all across that area.

      Is there any way to check whether that is one of the areas that is flooded and is the comment upthread correct that 80% of NO is flooded?

      •  Actually, people have been calling into CNN (none)
        and sometimes they have the info, sometimes not, but it might be worth a try to call the local and nat'l stations.

        "Do Iraqi children scream when the bombs fall if no one is in the White House to hear them?" Bernard Chazelle

        by dmac on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 10:35:54 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Mother and 8 family members (none)
    trapped in NOLA East

    "We must all hang together or assuredly we will all hang seperately." - Ben Franklin

    by RandyMI on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 09:47:20 PM PDT

  •  80% of New Orleans underwater (none)
    Just heard this from Mayor Nagin in NO and states there is no way to get in and out of the city and both airports are underwater.
  •  20 sq miles (none)
    Estimated 20 sq miles of homes under water in NOLA

    "Do Iraqi children scream when the bombs fall if no one is in the White House to hear them?" Bernard Chazelle

    by dmac on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 10:03:06 PM PDT

    •  Under water? (none)
      Completely submerged? or flooded to some extent?
      •  The words used were 'under water' (none)
        but I don't know if he meant completly submerged.  He was a rescue worker on CNN a short while ago.

        "Do Iraqi children scream when the bombs fall if no one is in the White House to hear them?" Bernard Chazelle

        by dmac on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 10:28:28 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  you can't see any cars... (none)
        ...and they say people are in their attics and some have punched holes through their roofs...and are screaming for help....cell phones, if they work, only seem to be able to reach 911...but officials are overwhelmed....wildlife officials (not sure what agency) are rescuing people in the dark in flat bottomed boats....

        There are many who lust for the simple answers of doctrine or decree. They are on the left and right. They are terrorists of the mind. -- A. Bartlett Giamatti

        by FemiNazi on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 11:10:19 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Does anyone know why the water is still rising? (none)
    Several comments and news reports seem to indicate that the flooding in NO is getting worse instead of better.  Anyone have any insight on this?

    "Do Iraqi children scream when the bombs fall if no one is in the White House to hear them?" Bernard Chazelle

    by dmac on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 10:04:49 PM PDT

    •  Breaches (none)
      There much be breaches in the levees that they don't see.

      "We must all hang together or assuredly we will all hang seperately." - Ben Franklin

      by RandyMI on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 10:07:39 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Even in the absence of breaches, (none)
        the seepage is continuous - and the pumps aren't running.
        •  pumps (none)
          A big story, for the enterprising reporter, is that different areas of the city have different quality of pumps. The French Quarter has the best. I know two 9th Ward pumps have the roofs off.

          I don't know enough about pumps to elaborate, but reading about it, it was obvious that the poor areas got the worst equipment.

    •  An engineer on tv earlier today said (none)
      that levees rarely go right away . . . they give way over time to the pressure.  He predicted that they would start going tonight.

      It's godawful and getting worse there.

      "Let all the dreamers wake the nation." -- Carly Simon

      by Cream City on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 10:28:45 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  MSNBC Complimented Blanco (none)
    The anchor on MSNBC congratulated Gov. Blanco on moving a million people out.

    "We must all hang together or assuredly we will all hang seperately." - Ben Franklin

    by RandyMI on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 10:09:49 PM PDT

  •  UPDATE (none)
    30 CONFIRMED DEATHS IN BILOXI AREA

    "We must all hang together or assuredly we will all hang seperately." - Ben Franklin

    by RandyMI on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 10:15:06 PM PDT

  •  SuperDome numbers growing (none)
    with every rescue; reports have hundreds more being brought in by rescuers.  And tensions rising there.

    "Let all the dreamers wake the nation." -- Carly Simon

    by Cream City on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 10:30:37 PM PDT

    •  This could get nasty (none)
      I still believe that the superdome could have ended up being a death trap if NO had taken a direct hit with the 175mph winds predicted on Sunday.

      "Do Iraqi children scream when the bombs fall if no one is in the White House to hear them?" Bernard Chazelle

      by dmac on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 10:48:06 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  just curious... (none)
      ....how many people does the superdome hold? in the stands, i guess, because the field is apparently flooded....

      There are many who lust for the simple answers of doctrine or decree. They are on the left and right. They are terrorists of the mind. -- A. Bartlett Giamatti

      by FemiNazi on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 11:13:15 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Not sure (none)
        but I think that it's a moot point now.  The toilets only flush intermittently, there is no air conditioning, no light...I'm sure they will continue to bring people in but it is already a bad situation.

        "Do Iraqi children scream when the bombs fall if no one is in the White House to hear them?" Bernard Chazelle

        by dmac on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 11:16:10 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Amazing that CNN which was the worse (none)
    source for info before the storm hit is actually getting the best post storm coverage.

    "Do Iraqi children scream when the bombs fall if no one is in the White House to hear them?" Bernard Chazelle

    by dmac on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 10:37:39 PM PDT

    •  MSNBC's standard reruns at night (none)
      of earlier shows is not the thing to do during a story that still is occurring -- as this one is.

      I agree, CNN's live reports and interviews -- and intervention to take addresses to send rescue crews -- is riveting.  I hope to hear that those trapped people have been rescued, but there are just too many to track . . . and more all the time.

      And the danger of doing the rescues in the dark, with all the wires down and submerged obstacles, is making for a lot of everyday heroes tonight.

      "Let all the dreamers wake the nation." -- Carly Simon

      by Cream City on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 10:42:03 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •   Where to send donations (none)
     
    -- a roundup with links to agencies is at http://informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=170101420

    Sad to read that donations are lagging way behind those raised by this time after the tsunami. . . .

    "Let all the dreamers wake the nation." -- Carly Simon

    by Cream City on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 10:38:54 PM PDT

    •  I think people were lulled (none)
      into thinking that the damage was not as bad when NO didn't take a direct hit.  All the pre-storm hype and then the 'sighs' of relief that NO 'was spared the big one' has given people the impression that it wasn't all that bad.  Since most sane people are asleep right now as all this info is coming in I think you will see a better response tomorrow when the news becomes more widely known.

      "Do Iraqi children scream when the bombs fall if no one is in the White House to hear them?" Bernard Chazelle

      by dmac on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 10:42:23 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  There are Guard there not being called up (none)
    . . . including more than 1,000 Wisconsin Army National Guard training at Camp Shelby, Mississippi --  because it's up to the President, not their governor, now.

    See http://nbc15.madison.com/news/headlines/1703431.html

    Wisconsin National Guard Troops Safe in Mississippi
    Leigh Mills

    . . . .While the National Guards of Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama and Florida are deployed to help hurricane victims, officials here say they don't anticipate [Wisconsin] troops will be put on disaster duty.

    "Our Wisconsin Guard troops at Camp Shelby are on active duty, which means their boss isn't the governor of any state right now, it's the President of the United States," says Lt. Col. Donovan. "So it is remotely possible that their services might be required but it would take a directive from the President to put our Wisconsin National Guard troops on active duty out in the streets of Mississippi."

    The reason that's significant: while the troops are already away from their families, their one-year mission clock doesn't start ticking until they head overseas.

    As of Monday afternoon, National Guard officials say troops are expected to continue their training and head abroad as scheduled.

    "Let all the dreamers wake the nation." -- Carly Simon

    by Cream City on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 10:59:07 PM PDT

  •  Any reports from Slidell/Suburban NO (none)
    The one place I haven't really head reports from is the suburbs of NO as well as Slidell, which looked like it really got it good (on the radar anyways). I would not be suprised to hear that Slidell got completely flattened.
    •  Reporters have stated (none)
      that they have no communication with many areas around NO.  They do think these areas were hard hit but no one has gotten to them yet.  Rescue operations are going very slowly due to downed power lines, gas leaks and submerged debris that cannot be seen by the boats at night.  Most of the rescues right now are happening in NO proper, not too far out from city center.  Many will have to wait for daylight if they can hold on for that long.

      "Do Iraqi children scream when the bombs fall if no one is in the White House to hear them?" Bernard Chazelle

      by dmac on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 11:08:35 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  CNN (none)
    A man was interviewed saying he lost his wife.

    "We must all hang together or assuredly we will all hang seperately." - Ben Franklin

    by RandyMI on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 11:21:55 PM PDT

    •  It was one of the saddest things (none)
      I ever saw.  His wife is gone, after their house split apart under them.  She told him to take care of their boys, who were holding his hand, dazed. . . .

      "Let all the dreamers wake the nation." -- Carly Simon

      by Cream City on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 11:37:29 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  That reporter was a wreck (none)
        She did a great job, but she was in tears.  Or at least that's what it sounded like.  I would have been too.  That poor man's story... and to think he's not even close to the only one.

        Remember that NWS announcement that we'd see "human suffering unknown in modern times" or something like that?

        Tomorrow's stories are just going to be worse.

        Power to the people 'cause the people want peace.

        by socratic on Tue Aug 30, 2005 at 12:00:27 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Report from Hospital (none)
    Water is rising at a rate of an "inch every five minutes."

    The levee has to be gone.

    "We must all hang together or assuredly we will all hang seperately." - Ben Franklin

    by RandyMI on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 11:23:07 PM PDT

  •  Water is rising (none)
    at the hospital in NO at the rate of 1" every 5 minutes.  There is now 6 ft of water and they are looking to evacuate.

    "Do Iraqi children scream when the bombs fall if no one is in the White House to hear them?" Bernard Chazelle

    by dmac on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 11:23:37 PM PDT

  •  ALERT!!!! (none)
    BREACH OF THE LEVEE AT CANAL STREET IS TWO BLOCKS LONG. LAKE PONCHETRAIN IS FLOWING INTO THE CITY

    "We must all hang together or assuredly we will all hang seperately." - Ben Franklin

    by RandyMI on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 11:25:47 PM PDT

  •  Tulane University Medical Center (none)
    Rick Sanchez just interiewed a vice president from Tulane University who says levee breeched at Lake Ponchatrain on the Orleans Parish side. Water is pouring into Canal streets at a fast rate (can't remember exact rate).

    Water is at second story of hospital now, she said. Ambulances can't get through to transport patients. Hospital may have to get them out by helicopter.

    The administrator says Charity Hospital is in the process of evacuating patients as well.

    Folks, please say a prayer or two. This thing is not over by a long shot.

    One day we ALL will know the truth about the 2000 presidential election. God help us all.

    by CocoaLove on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 11:30:14 PM PDT

    •  Yeah, I just heard this too! (none)
      This could be very serious - the breach of the levee could mean extraordinarily widespread flooding!  The situation appears to be worsening rapidly.  Let's pray the waters recede and the rescue efforts can be more extensive tomorrow!

      Let justice reign though the heavens tremble

      by Viceroy on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 11:34:30 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Sadly, once a levee starts to go (none)
        according to an engineer on tv today, the whole system goes out of whack, with water rushing around and pressure building, and others can go.

        As warnings said, the worst is after the storm.  It's now.  And it's getting worse, with the water level going up in other areas now, too, per CNN.

        "Let all the dreamers wake the nation." -- Carly Simon

        by Cream City on Mon Aug 29, 2005 at 11:40:08 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  I think she said (none)
      1 inch every 5 minutes. God help them.
  •  CNN Now Confirming (none)
    Levee Holding Back Lake Ponchatrain Has Been Breached

    Things in NO have just gone from horrific to something wholly unimaginably bad.

  •  I'm off to bed (none)
    I need to sleep, but I will close my eyes with the terrible site of those people breaking through their roofs. I'm deathly afraid the worse case scenrio is happening, just at as slower pace than we expected.

    May the Loa save NOLA.

    "We must all hang together or assuredly we will all hang seperately." - Ben Franklin

    by RandyMI on Tue Aug 30, 2005 at 12:24:27 AM PDT

  •  Tulane interview (none)
    This is more chilling hearing it the second time because the situation seems so dire.

    I've spent so much time in New Orleans and Lake Ponchatrain. You hear about the warnings of the Big One. I feel so helpless listening to this woman speak of white caps on Canal Street.

    God help those people.

    One day we ALL will know the truth about the 2000 presidential election. God help us all.

    by CocoaLove on Tue Aug 30, 2005 at 12:37:01 AM PDT

  •  This article (none)
    from the Lexington Herald-Leader really drove it home for me. I've been a tourist in New Orleans, but have no knowledge of the neighborhoods and outlying suburbs. I used google maps to find all of the areas mentioned, and the scope just blew me away... this is so, so bad...
  •  CNN (none)
    The mayor of NO has reported that the Twin Span Bridge is destroyed and 80% of the city is underwater.

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