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There's a post over at DU that I don't think has been mentioned here yet, but the diaries are flying by, so it's hard to keep up:

On BBC: Northern Command was in position, waiting for Presidential orders posted by drm604. [Link to DU post will open new browser window.]

This was on the episode of BBC World News which played on a local (Philadelphia area) PBS station at 6:00 am this morning. I can't find a stream or transcript online. It's sitting on my TIVO right now marked do not delete but I have no way to put it onto my hard drive and no place to serve it from anyway. If you do have a recording of it, it starts about 9 minutes in. I've done a hand written transcript, the spelling and punctuation are mine. The bolding is also mine to emphasize what I think is the important part. The BBC announcer was interviewing Lieutenant Commander Sean Kelly whom she referred to as Leftenant Commander. This is the entire interview with no missing context.
drm604's transcript below:

Announcer: The relief operation is the largest ever conducted in America. It's being coordinated by the US Northern Command in Colorado. Leftenant Commander Sean Kelly explains how the relief effort is being organized.

Kelly: US Northern Command is the command that coordinates the military support for our federal and state agencies. They call up and request a capability and we try and provide that capability, whether it's medical resources, search and rescue helicopters, food, water, transportation, communications; that's what we provide.

A: So it sounds like you're providing a bit of everything. I mean, do you know how much you're actually providing?

K: Right now we've got 4,000 soldiers, sailors, airmen and marine and coast guardsmen supporting this. They've delivered more than 9 million meals, I can't remember how many millions of liters of water.

A: 9 million meals? Do you actually have 9 million meals?

K: It's those "meals ready to eat". The packaged meals that the Army takes out with them out in the field. We have 9 million of 'em ready. I know at least 100,000 went to the Superdome the other night to help the people out there in New Orleans. So they're staged at various places throughout Mississippi, Alabama, and Louisiana.

A: Now I'm sure you're aware of the criticism that the authorities have been slow to respond to this. When did you get the order to start relied work?

K: NorthCom started planning before the storm even hit. We were ready for the storm when it hit Florida because, as you remember, it crossed the bottom part of Florida, and then we were plaining, you know, once it was pointed towards the Gulf Coast. So what we did was we activated what we call defense coordinating officers to work with the state to say okay, what do you think you'll need, and we set up staging bases that could be started. We had the USS Baton sailing almost behind the hurricane so that after the hurricane made landfall it's search and rescue helicopters would be available almost immediately. So we had things ready. The only caveat is, we have to wait until the President authorizes us to do so. The laws of the United States say that the military can't just act in this fashion, we have to wait for the President to give us permission.

A: Now I gather that your engineers are also involved in pumping some of that flood water out of the areas.

K: Yes, our military personnel are helping to reconstruct the levees which frees up the engineers to start pumping out the waters so that hopefully New Orleans can be high and dry soon enough.
I have no other confirmable link, but you can bet I'll be looking for one. It might be a good idea to check over at the DU thread from time-to-time to see if it's been updated with a video interview or another on-line transcript.

If this is true, this is worse than a slow response.

Update [2005-9-3 12:53:1 by Terre]: Although I have yet to find another on-line link to the interview I did find this from GovExec.com
Most of the eight large video screens that make up the operation center's "wall of knowledge" were tracking the approaching storm and the U.S. government's preparation for what would become one of the worst natural disasters to strike America in modern times.

Northern Command, the Pentagon's designated force for protecting the homeland and responding to "incidents of national consequence," began deploying forces well before Katrina made landfall. It dispatched military liaison and medical planning teams to Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida, where they were to coordinate with Federal Emergency Management Agency field offices. As part of the Department of Homeland Security, FEMA is responsible for coordinating the federal response to hurricanes.
Update [2005-9-3 16:2:13 by Terre]: Thanks to thebes for this article I hadn't seen yet National Guard Delay-AP
New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson offered Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco help from his state's National Guard on Sunday, the day before Hurricane Katrina hit Louisiana. Blanco accepted, but paperwork needed to get the troops en route didn't come from Washington until late Thursday.
[snip]
Bush had the legal authority to order the National Guard to the disaster area himself, as he did after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks . But the troops four years ago were deployed for national security protection, and presidents of both parties traditionally defer to governors to deploy their own National Guardsmen and request help from other states when it comes to natural disasters.
[snip]
In addition to Guard help, the federal government could have activated, but did not, a major air support plan under a pre-existing contract with airlines. The program, called Civilian Reserve Air Fleet, lets the government quickly put private cargo and passenger planes into service.

The CRAF provision has been activated twice, once for the Persian Gulf War and again for the Iraq war.
Update [2005-9-3 17:20:8 by Terre]: New "basic" timeline by AP A chronology of Hurricane Katrina. This would be a good basic timeline to start with, and then fill in the obvious omissions - like Bush's "guitar" escapade.

Originally posted to Terre on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 08:56 AM PDT.

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  •  did (4.00)
    Did "My Goat 2, the sequel" come out this week, and is this the cause for bushes delay?
    •  Yes-- (4.00)
      It was called, "Meet Katrina, My Pet Goat"

      sign the petition at http://www.impeachbush.org

      by DrKate on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 09:02:51 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Seems that way (4.00)
      This whole affair is murderous and inexcusable. If anyone can find another on-line link please post.

      The DU'er that posted this is looking for help to get it on-line. Maybe someone here can offer assistance? I'm afraid I'm not able to help with this techie stuff. :o(

      •  A Concerted Effort to Withhold Help (none)
        Others have talked about the Red Cross being told to stay away, and I know that Northwest Medical Teams was also told by FEMA to stay away until Friday.  NWMT is very frustrated because they were ready to be on the ground MONDAY, the day Katrina hit.

        So the question is: Why was there a concerted effort on the part of the federal government to withhold help from the victims?

        The APT Tax: Eliminate the IRS and slash the tax rate to 0.3% ... the progressive way.

        by Michael D on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 10:50:21 AM PDT

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      •  Terre, great find, again... (none)
        ... I should just keep a text file of this comment so I can use it every time you come up with one of these diaries.

        There are some of us trying to get this poster passed around... Kos front-paged the first version of it before I could get a better file for the photo... here is the much clearer version.

        Copy this image to use on your websites, blogs, wherever else you can get away with. Go here for PDF page-sized print versions to print and leave in your favorite conspicuous public place of choice. Thanks to by foot for the bandwidth!

        The meme: This is what the NeoCon ideal has brought us to...

    •  Actually, good point (none)
      Did Bush wait those 7 minutes on 911 before he acted (a) deliberately for maximum effect, (b) because he was stupid and didn't get it, and I won't put a "c" because we know he was not in charge...

      But my god, on vacation, the northern command ready, I hope this stuff gets out.

      sign the petition at http://www.impeachbush.org

      by DrKate on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 09:05:46 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  WHERE IS CHENEY ? (4.00)
        Wasn't Cheney in charge on 9/11 according to some reports ?

        WHERE IS CHENEY ?

        •  Supposedly in Wyoming (none)
          but I think he's been in and out, despite reports of his agents in local stores in JAckson Wyoming, because my house (more than 150 miles east) is on his flight path and I've seen choppers going back and forth for 2 weeks.

          "supposed" to return to DC Sunday.

          sign the petition at http://www.impeachbush.org

          by DrKate on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 09:21:32 AM PDT

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          •  Cheney is trout fishing (none)
            in Wyoming.

            Be a Carville, not a Colmes

            by seesdifferent on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 09:41:53 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  This is very interesting (none)
            because a Cheney spokesperson was quoted in a national story saying that Cheney "returned" to DC on Thursday. I smell a big stinking cover up. Dr. Kate, if you are a Dr. who lives in Jackson, I don't want you to get in trouble with confidential issues for drs. on staff at the hospital, BUT, have you heard any scuttle-but about Cheney's health around town? Is he staying in Jackson? Is he staying somewhere else in Wyoming?  I know, up to this Chrismas, he was renting a multi millionare dollar home in Jackson for getaways (my mother saw him in church Xmas eve).  Any info you can share is important. The MSM is ignoring this story.
            •  Not that kind of doctor (none)
              and east of Jackson.  He doesn't go locally to get any health stuff...he has his own staff with him all the time....

              He is regularly in Jackson....not sure but this is where I think he's planning his shadow government.  And the timing of his return to Dc--if it was thursday would correspond to the helos I talked about above.  Also, the final decision to let the aid flow into new orleans....

              sign the petition at http://www.impeachbush.org

              by DrKate on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 11:26:29 AM PDT

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        •  You can bet on this: (4.00)
          Cheney is working with oil industry to address infrastructure/distribution issues.  

          You're walking, and you don't always realize it, but you're always falling. --- Laurie Anderson

          by baggy on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 10:50:42 AM PDT

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    •  No it was music (4.00)
      The president's new "goatar". He was petting it, er, I mean strumming it while New Orleans drowned.
    •  consistent with their philosophy (4.00)
      They want people to understand, once and for all, that they cannot rely on the Federal Government.  Local, regional, state authorities are supposed to take care of them.  With the aid of private charities, mainly religious in nature.

      That is also the point of their current defense: it's the mayor's fault; it's the governor's fault.

      •  O'Reilly said as much last night (4.00)
        paraphrasing his talking point:  "You can't depend on the government. You have to depend on yourself."  (But let's see what he can do for himself after a tsunami!)

        Of course, in the earthquake country I live in, we are prepared to be self-sufficient for a few days before systems are in place to help us. We've always got extra water, emergency food and rice, camping stoves, flashlights near the beds, a battery-operated radio.

        •  All that stuff is extremly useful.... (none)
          UNLESS the earthquake wrecks your house and the emergency supplies are destroyed...or In NO and Miss. under flood waters.

          And waht an incredibley cynical meme...we fucked up the goverment...now don't depend on it.

        •  O'Lielly will be happy... (none)
          ...as long as there's a falafel shop still open.

          GWB: "9/11 was the worst disaster in U.S. history."

          God: "Disaster? You want to see a real disaster, George? Meet Katrina."

          by DC Pol Sci on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 10:40:30 AM PDT

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      •  I hope the message is clear (4.00)
        It's not the Federal Government US citizens can't rely on, it's the Republicans!
    •  The Age of Incompetence (4.00)
      My anger at the (in)action as people continue to die knows no bounds! The paperwork took to long to go through Federal channels, Bush didn't call the Nat'l Guard in himself or activate CRAF, and he stayed on vacation until it was too late. Condi went on vacation AFTER the disaster. Foreign aid was delayed entry into the US. Cheney is STILL on vacation. Head of FEMA has his job cause of his college roommate. Homeland Security can't do anything right. American Red Cross and Salvation Army are told to keep out. People are being forced to stay at the Convention Center and can't leave if they want to. And to top it off, Chimpy McDouchebag's visit to New Orleans grounded food drop helicopters. >:-O


      Worst. President. Ever. - An animation in several formats
  •  Just as I thought (4.00)
    The President waited for the best time to "show" his command (a.k.a., Rovian strategy)...he is such an impotent man he had to wait for people to beg him for assistance.

    This is bad karma for Bush and does mean the end for him.  The dam did finally burst.  The callous fuck.

    sign the petition at http://www.impeachbush.org

    by DrKate on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 09:02:15 AM PDT

  •  So Bush allowed these people to die (4.00)
    There's no other interpretation. The military were ready. But they had to wait 5 days for the President.

    This is shocking.

    Recommended.

    "a society is measured by how it treats the weak and vulnerable" - George W. Bush, State of the Union, Feb 2, 2005.

    by icerat on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 09:06:55 AM PDT

  •  rec. rec. rec. rec. rec. rec.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (none)
  •  What date and time did this statement occur? (none)

    The rhetoric of the right wing is being fixed around the policy of disinformation.

    by MoronMike on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 09:09:19 AM PDT

  •  It's fair to assume the DoD was against ... (4.00)
    ... committing forces until it was impossible to avoid releasing them.

    Rumsfeld is in deep trouble in Iraq, and would get his rotation schedule completely messed up if he suddenly had to cut a portion of his committed forces (either headed to Iraq or in rotation) to do duty in New Orleans.

    Already, we have gotten reports that the forces inteded to support those in Iraq will be cut, due to NO, and indication of how tightly they are stretched.

    There were also reports of military personnel in bases outside NO that were not committed in spite of the city being a disaster zone.

    Thus - we should ask: Did the president refrain from committing needed forces, due to pressure from the DoD, which was afraid its overstretched force logistics to Iraq and Afghanistan would snap?

    That could totally sink Bush.

    "I don't do quagmires, and my boss doesn't do nuance."

    by SteinL on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 09:10:39 AM PDT

    •  Are you saying (4.00)
      Bush was worried about asking for troops because he was afraid Rummy would fire him if he asked like he did to Shinseki?

      This is the way democracy ends Not with a bomb But with a gavel -Max Baucus

      by emptywheel on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 09:41:18 AM PDT

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    •  not just rotation -- a major offensive (4.00)
      is underway in Iraq, started early Friday morning Iraq time. Were they busy planning that all week?

      "In the largest urban assault since the siege of Fallujah last November, more than 5,000 U.S. and Iraqi troops entered this northern city before dawn Friday."

      SF Chronicle reprint today of Washington Post piece.

      Seems like this could be "stretching" our capability, too?

      •  Which Friday ? (none)
        The 2nd of Sept. or the last Friday of August ?

        What in the hell are we doing launching a "a major offensive ??!!"

        Let's get some Democracy for America

        by murphy on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 09:57:46 AM PDT

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        •  yesterday, in fact, Friday, Sept. 2 (4.00)
          sorry if I didn't make it clear.

          what are they doing? trying to "take back" a key city, Tal Afar, that "insurgents have controlled much of ... for almost a year." Tal Afar is "on an old smuggling trail that winds though pastoral plains about 40 miles from the Syrian border" and "is considered a staging point for operations essential to sustaining an insurgency, such as trafficking of men and arms and providing safe accommodations for fighters."

    •  More more more forces need in Iraq (none)
      Did I mention more?

      They are supposedly gearing up for a major security effort for the constitutional vote in October. Recall the last vote, with all the purple fingers. Major cities all over Iraq were in virtual military lock-down with very little movement of traffic allowed. It was the single most secure day since the invasion. Far from being a triumph of freedom, it was an illustration that do get anything done in that country now, you need to have the free people locked down.

      And they are preparing for the same in October.

      Katrina will undoubtedly put a bump in those plans; where are all the boots on the ground going to come from to support 2 these major operations simultaneously?

      He has oil. He tried to kill my daddy.

      by kensa on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 10:11:02 AM PDT

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    •  Soldiers in Iraq (none)
      are being deployed to NO.  Can't remember the number.
      •  That's incorrect. (none)
        Soldiers who have been in Iraq, and have returned to the U.S., are being deployed to New Orleans in order to assist with the action to stop the insurgents in the city.

        But no troops are being taken out of Iraq to assist in NO.

        However, the announced increase in troop strength inside Iraq, in connection with the October elections, is now being trimmed back.

        "I don't do quagmires, and my boss doesn't do nuance."

        by SteinL on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 10:25:04 AM PDT

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        •  Here's an article from WaPo on that (none)
          quoting Gen. Vines of the Pentagon as saying that there's no need now for more troops. Vines' aide claimed he had never heard of the Pentagon plan to boost troop strength by 20,000. Clearly brass don't want to admit that they can't find the troops, or tie the current problem to Katrina (which Bush has denied is any problem whatever).

          The U.S. military has dropped plans to boost its presence in Iraq by more than 20,000 troops to safeguard elections, a senior U.S. commander indicated Friday, with Hurricane Katrina putting demands on a force already stretched thin by the conflicts here and in Afghanistan.

          <snip>

          Vines made no mention of the 160,000 figure that Pentagon officials gave late last month. Vines's aides could not be reached for comment Friday night, and a senior military spokesman in Iraq had no explanation for the lower number.

          "Plans may have changed," said Lt. Col. Steven Boylan, the spokesman, who said he had not known of the Pentagon's plans to have 160,000 troops on hand for the elections.

          Vines's announcement came as complaints grew in the United States that deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan had slowed the government's response to Hurricane Katrina.

          <snip>

          In western Iraq, meanwhile, local leaders in the predominantly Sunni Arab region appealed Friday to U.S. troops to stay away from voting centers, fearing their presence would draw attacks by foreign insurgents.

          <snip>

          Residents of the western city of Fallujah intend to secure the voting centers themselves, the police chief, Gen. Sabah Khalil Ani, told reporters there. "The tribal leaders and people in Fallujah asked us to keep U.S. forces away from the centers," Ani said.

          Residents, not U.S. Marines, should protect the polling places, said Abdullah Mahmood, the cleric at the Farouk mosque in Fallujah. The presence of Marine guards would only serve to convince Iraqis "that Americans wrote the constitution and not the Iraqis," he said.

          Political officials in Anbar province have voiced the same sentiment in recent weeks.

          The last bit is particularly disturbing confirmation of what war critics have been saying for more than a year--that the presence of US troops is destabilizing in and of itself. Where does this leave the administration's argument that we need to keep forces in Iraq until Iraqis can take charge of maintaining order? The statements quoted here sound an awful lot like an invitation to leave.

          DowningStreetMemo.com Bush $ Cheney won't read the DSM. Get a jump on them.

          by smintheus on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 12:35:08 PM PDT

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      •  You might be recalling this? (none)
        Air Force sends 300 home to devastated base
        DUBAI, United Arab Emirates - The U.S. Air Force will send 300 airmen home from Iraq and Afghanistan to help their families cope with emergencies on a hurricane-devastated airbase in Biloxi, Miss., a spokesman said Saturday.

        [...]

        U.S. military officials have said there are no plans for a large-scale shifting of U.S. troops from Afghanistan or Iraq to assist recovery efforts.

        The commander of a Louisiana National Guard brigade based in Baghdad had asked that his 3,700 soldiers be sent home a few weeks early to deal with the crisis.

        Lt. Gen. John Vines, commander of Multi-National Corps-Iraq, said Friday that U.S. troops in Iraq whose family members were injured or killed by the hurricane may be allowed to go home. Those who have no confirmed casualties among family members will have to stay in Iraq, he said.

        Vines said that to allow soldiers from Mississippi and Louisiana to return home early would put their fellow soldiers in Iraq at greater risk.
        If we don't get casualty reports, I don't see any more troops coming home.
    •  wait a minute (none)

       Anyone with more information , help me out here?

      from what I heard...it was more like The FEDS couldn't come in without being asked by the Governor Blanco and Bush and the Gov needed to talk, so Bush flew in after Nagin said "get off your asses and do something..someone needs to get on a plane"
      Nagin wanted to retain his authority as an elected official...Feds wanted a General in control of National Guard,(customary) I assume Nagin turned power over to, as he called him the "John Wayne dude" which would mean...martial law is in effect? Nagin radio

      I was underr the assumtion that martial law could only be called by congress and they did have an emergency meeting last night...so I'm assuming based on the radio broadcast and what I see and read that the delay was about POWER and control ( not to mention do we really trust these bastards) but as for why the place is locked down and they haven't fed or watered those people is beyond my guess.

      http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/2/12515/60675

  •  Remove the bastards from office (none)
    Looks like the military is the only ones who have a clue on how to get things done. But that is what they train for. Forget 7 days in May, I'd almost like to see 7 days in September. Remove that rat bastards from the White House, use the 25th Amendment.

    Section 3. Whenever the President transmits to the President pro
    tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives
    his written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and
    duties of his office, and until he transmits to them a written
    declaration to the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged
    by the Vice President as Acting President.

    Force both Bush and Cheney to declare they are unable to discharge the powers and duties of their offices.

    "Telling the truth is a noble cause".
    -BOHICA

    by BOHICA on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 09:10:55 AM PDT

    •  Unlikely to help (none)
      Remember after Bush & Cheney you have House Speaker Hastert (R-IL) then Senate President pro tempore Stevens (R-AK) then Secretary of State Rice and so on down the Cabinet list. Do you have any confidence in anyone in the line of succession?

      There is no man alive who is sufficiently good to rule the life of the man next door to him. Sir Rhys Hopkin Morris, M.P.

      by Gary J on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 09:29:04 AM PDT

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      •  I don't (none)
        but that's why they are never all in the same place at the same time. Even at the SOTU, one stays elsewhere so they can't all be taken out at the same time. Otherwise, well, you know.

        Let's get some Democracy for America

        by murphy on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 09:59:24 AM PDT

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        •  That was pre-9/11. (none)
          Now I think there is more than one cabinet member absent and at least one is out of DC or in the WH bunker or something.

          I also think they take some other steps now. Generally the entire SCOTUS isn't there at SOTU anyway. I think they're keeping some of the military command away and possibly a few members of each house of congress.

          "I love mankind; it's people I can't stand." --Linus/Peanuts

          by homogenius on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 11:24:03 AM PDT

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      •  It would send a message (none)
        While we would get no better government from Bush's successors, we would send a message to the world that he doesn't represent the United States, that our elections were not the will of the people, only a frightened response to a manufactured terror crisis and war.
      •  Can't believe I can think this (none)
        But maybe it's time for a military take-over, they seem to be the only ones who can get stuff done, at least in this country.

        "I'm not going to be your monkey"

        by gabie on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 10:44:09 AM PDT

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  •  criminal negligence (4.00)
    if this is true - crimes against humanity.

    Motherfucker.

    •  More. Mayor Daley offered to send 100s of men and (none)
      FEMA told him --  NO.

      Chicago's mayor offered as early as last Sunday lots of fire, police, and health personnel from his city.  As of Friday, FEMA admitted only a single truck from Chicago, a tanker truck, and still hadn't accepted personnel.  [ Andrea Mitchell reported this also on NBC news.]

  •  Bush waited to show the Guard could do it. (4.00)
    The administration wouldn't want to have it demonstrated that the National Guard no longer could handle natural disaster response -- that obviously would dramatically escalage Iraq war criticism -- so they waited to authorize active duty forces hoping that the Guard could do it. They let people die for political reasons.

    If the Republicans stay in power much longer, An Army of One isn't going to be just a slogan.

    by MeanBoneII on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 09:23:17 AM PDT

  •  Murder!!! (4.00)
    This is murder.  Rescue and supplies kept from people so that BubbleBoy could lead the calvaries??!!!  I need to see criminal charges stemming from this; this is a national disgrace.

    I don't think our troops should be used for what's called nation building. - George W. Bush, 2000

    by GN1927 on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 09:24:07 AM PDT

    •  G WB (4.00)
      is a national discrace.

      Katrina Changed Everything - A New Era Demands New Policies

      by ROGNM on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 09:29:26 AM PDT

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    •  Depraved indifference to human life (4.00)
      at the very least.  

      Which minority group would Jesus hate?

      by NorCalJim on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 10:20:59 AM PDT

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      •  Read about the personalities of sociopaths. (4.00)
        NOLA=MARTYR.

        New Orleans and her people were sacrificed to his filthy and totally unnecessary war in Iraq.

        and hear "We don't care, We don't care, We don't care!" ringing in your ears like Cindy Sheehan did.

        I'll wager the 4% of sociopaths all voted for this monstrosity.

        A society of sheep must beget in time a government of wolves. Bertrand de Jouvenel

        by Little Red Hen on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 10:37:06 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  "REMEMBER NEW ORLEANS" (none)
          will be a call to action for the rest of the century.

          Which minority group would Jesus hate?

          by NorCalJim on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 11:16:56 AM PDT

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        •  I call for Cindy to add a mother (4.00)
          who lost her daughter, son, grandchildren, parents in New Orleans.....who spoke with them after the storm, and they were waiting to be rescued, who then died because no help came.

          She also should demand to speak to the president to ask "Mr. Bush, why were troops sent to Iraq and not to New Orleans, for almost a week?  Why did my family die?"

          "I came to see that news is what people want to keep hidden, and everything else is publicity". ...Bill Moyers, 5/15/05

          by revsue on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 11:51:12 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  Jack Cafferty hit on this (4.00)
    Seems too coincidental that Federal relief started at the same time Bush made his visit.  If that Bush administration delayed relief even one second so that it arrived when Bush and the camera crews did... well...
  •  Hero: Lt. Commander Sean Kelly (4.00)
    Just wait till Lt. Commander Kelly testifies about this.

    This, finally, is something everyone can understand:  We were ready, willing and able --and Dear Leader failed to act.

    Lt. Commander Kelly is just the first person brave enough to tell the truth.

    W has blood on his hands that no amount of spin will wash away.

    •  Blood on his hands? (4.00)
      The "President Grade: F" is swimming and sinking in blood. Ever since "Bin Laden determined to strike in the US" passed from his hands to the waist basket.

      Those still standing by him are no better then living dead like ghouls with the blood of innocent victims dripping from their mouths.

      Elitist racists is all I can think of them.

      "We got the force necessary to deal with the security situation." - George W. Bush, July 2, 2003

      by Pescadero Bill on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 10:10:08 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Republicans (4.00)
      have been blaming the failure on LA governor (D), NO mayor (D) and all dogcatchers (I). Even Ted Koppel was drilling an LA rep(D) last night on the possibility that Blanco had not used the correct form to request assistance. The rep was clearly frustrated with having to explain the procedure for federal assistance - which was moot when the whole world knew about the disaster. ugh!
      And that Dem rep (Landrieu - msp??) is very careful to avoid ANY criticism of Bush, even defending him.  ugh!
      But I didn't see Pelosi's outrage on MSM - only CSpan.
      •  Not using the correct form?!? (4.00)
        To deny 1.2 million people help because someone DIDN'T USE THE RIGHT FORM?  It's not like they really needed the information on the form to figure out exactly what kind of help she was requesting.  All they needed to do was turn on the goddamned TV.  If this is indeed the case, an elevation of form over substance of this sort is recklessness of the worst sort.

        Reminiscent of the Nazis who kept such meticulous records of the extermination of 6 million.

        GWB: "9/11 was the worst disaster in U.S. history."

        God: "Disaster? You want to see a real disaster, George? Meet Katrina."

        by DC Pol Sci on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 10:44:47 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Koppel (none)
        was being a little too subtle, I thought. The point he was trying to make was that the Federal govt was incompetent and mendacious in acting as if the proper form had to be filled out before help could be sent. Notice how he gave Melancon, the Rep for coastal SE LA, soooo much time to respond and point out how ridiculous that was. But if you weren't paying careful attn, it did seem as if Koppel was giving the LA authorities a hard time.

        As it turns out the LA gov did send a request for assistance on Sunday 08/28 and there's paper on it.

        And don't blame Landrieu -- she's out of her depth. Way, way out. She's sticking to the Senate Dem leadership plan, which is to simply keep handing Bush more rope. Wait until the hearings start next week and the opinion polls come out.

  •  Congress Waited to Reconvene (4.00)
    Congrees wasn't called back into emergency session earlier than Thursday to appropriate emrgency funding because G WB still hadn't completed a "Recess Appointment" of some scumbag to Gitmo, which he did on Wednesday.

    Katrina Changed Everything - A New Era Demands New Policies

    by ROGNM on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 09:36:52 AM PDT

  •  Bush on vacation untill Wednesday (4.00)

    Hell , they couldn't mess up Bush's vacation. And after getting back he had to attend more important things like fundraisers and birthay parties.

    Isn't this what Emporers do?

    Thoughts from Connecticut - Cindy daily updates The Lonestar Iconoclast

    by ctsteve on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 09:37:04 AM PDT

  •  Hold on hold on hold on (4.00)
    Be prepared for the rebuttal.

    Posse Comitatus.  This is what I was getting my nose bent out of shape about back in summer of last year.  They were going to move soldiers into NYC for the RNC convention, but then downgraded it a lot under pressure.

    You can't violate Posse Comitatus.  The locals have to okay the forces, and then the President has to okay it.

    The rebuttal, of course, is that the local authorities HAD authorized it ON TV and Nagin is claiming he asked for this from the get-go.  Blanco is scared of admitting that she asked for it days before it was authorized.

    This was not a violation of Posse Comitatus.

    •  Do we have documentation ... (none)
      of when Blanco requested federal help?

      This is really important, because the push is on to dump any and all blame on Blanco and Nagin. Now I think they earned their share, but the sure as hell don't deserve all of it as far as I can tell.

    •  She did ask for help on (4.00)
      Saturday. Before the storm. The letter was floating around the web.  I don't have it handy but can find it.

      Does the devil wear a suit and tie, Or does he work at the Dairy Queen- Martin Sexton

      by strengthof10kmen on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 09:54:36 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Please do look ... (none)
        Like I said, this is really an important point.
        •  Here (4.00)
          This has been a Federal problem since last SUNDAY!

          http://gov.louisiana.gov/Disaster%20Relief%20Request.pdf

          The present administration is rolling back the Great Society, the New Deal, the Enlightenment, and the Renaissance.

          by JohnInWestland on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 10:16:34 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  OK ... (none)
            The crucial quote appears to be this"

            "I request direct Federal assistance for work and services to save lives and protect property."

          •  Pls look at this press release (none)
            Letter from Governor Blanco to President Bush
            This press release from yesterday inludes the following paragraph:
            Based on our initial assessment, I have previously requested significant federal support to include: an additional 40,000 troops; trailers of water, ice and food; commercial buses; base camps; staging areas; amphibious personnel carriers; deployable morgues; urban search and rescue teams; airlift; temporary housing; and communications systems. Even if these initial requests had been fully honored, these assets would not be sufficient to address our critical, immediate needs. Additional assistance requirements for the federal government are outlined below. As we continue to assess our needs, I will ensure you receive our updated requirements.

            To my reading this means that she made a more specific request for the above sometime after the letter of 8/28. I can't find a reference to that specific request on the Governor's Web site. It couldn't just be a verbal request, could it.

            Letter ends with the following where she is clearly saying "shift your arse into gear" or there will be more needless deaths:

            Mr. President, only your personal involvement will ensure the immediate delivery of federal assets needed to save lives that are in jeopardy hour by hour. I know you will take the actions necessary to make this happen.

      •  Blano's letter (none)
        was on a diary yesterday and it was dated August 28th.

        Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities-Voltaire

        by hairspray on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 10:04:29 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  AmericaBlog (4.00)
        John has it posted
      •  Last night on Nightline this was discussed (none)
        The gentleman being interviewed (my apologies for not remembering his name) was an elected official from outside New Orleans, LA.  

        He was upset because the request WAS made, however not in the correct manner, or using the correct form, or procedure. I kid you not!

        The gentleman was livid, because he said no one coached the LA Governor on the "proper way to make the request" as they had evidently done for the Governors of Alabama and Mississippi. His point was "why should Gov. Blanco have to worry about the proper procedure or form once she declared this a national disaster and asked for help"?  

        The insanity of this was hard to fathom for Ted Koppel, and everyone watching, I'm sure.  It was for me.

        Most Americans are a lot dumber than we give them credit for- George Carlin 2004

        by maggiemae on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 10:42:56 AM PDT

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    •  They were asking for help on 8/28 (none)
      http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/2/22509/76629

      The letter is part of this diary.

      Let's get some Democracy for America

      by murphy on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 10:03:23 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Blanco (none)

        She won't defend herself (even though she can), she won't defend her state government (even though she should), she sucks up to Bush up and down (even though she doesn't have to)...and all this "cooperation" is going to get her is scapegoated for everything anyway by the Republicans.

        How did this woman ever occupy an elective office?

        But I'm sure the DLC will have a few offers for her when her term ends...

      Republicans oppose abortion -- it happens eighteen years too early.

      by Buzzer on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 10:04:27 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Governor Blanco -- I suspect (4.00)
        ...was "sucking up to" Bush because she doesn't care what happens to her.  I think her political care went out the window and she was willing to do anything and everything to get help to those people.  Bush screwed her to the wall and he's still doing it.  Mr. Powerful is above nothing.  (The vermin.)

        On Governor Blanco's letter to the President on August 28:

        I have a copy and I've read it.  The letter was a detailed appeal to the federal government for help in the evacuation process BEFORE the storm, and for federal assistance in the aftermath.

        As I've shown in another diary, FEMA help was PROMISED and NEVER DELIVERED. Anyway...I digress...

        I'm not a lawyer, but I'd say this paragraph authorizes the President to call in whatever measures necessary to bring relief:

        "I request that you declare an expedited major disaster for the State of Louisiana as Hurricane Katrina, a Category V Hurricane approaches our coast south of New Orleans: beginning on August 28, 2005 and continuing."

        The letter goes on to name the affected areas and some specific assessments about what they expect the needs to be.
         

        •  Well... (4.00)

            Understanding that the stresses of the situation don't lend themselves to calculation, and certainly not denying that Governor Blanco DOES care about saving the people of her state (unlike Bush), if she 's really thrown her political future to the wind, she might have greeted Bush with an "it's about fucking time" type statement, rather than heaping words of praise upon the bastard's stage-managed arrival with the "cavalry".

            Same goes for the mayor, by the way. Good guy, obviosuly caring, but really, no need to praise Bush.

            Landrieu, on the other hand, is a complete tool, and I do question HER concern those left behind. Anderson Cooper's smackdown of her was long overdue...
             

          Republicans oppose abortion -- it happens eighteen years too early.

          by Buzzer on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 10:44:22 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  Chertoff (none)
          Just heard Chertoff's news conference.  What a bunch of lies.  He implied that before the National Guard could go in to N.O. the governor had to ask for it, and she didn't.  Also he said that legally the military couldn't go in either before some other bullshit excuse.  I know that was a lie because my brother was in the military when Camille hit Biloxi in the late sixties, and the entire Air Force Base was immediately involved in rescue and cleanup. He said it was very emotional with all the loss of life and property.  Also, Chertoff is making some lame excuse about blaming mother Nature for the double whammie of first the hurricane then the breach in the levee.  A reporter asked why wasn't this a part of a worse case scenario in planning, and he made up another lame excuse, then tried to give the current talking points about not looking in the rearview mirror but looking through the windshied at what needs to be done now.  I can see how the RW spin machine is trying to blame Blanco and make all kinds of stupid excuses.  I hope and pray the American public gets all the facts, and don't fall for the spin and lies yet another time.
        •  she dosen't want to go to hell. (none)
          I think she and the mayor are only worried about the eternal consequences of their actions at this point.
        •  Feds in charge from August 27 (none)
          Proof -

          http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/20050828-1.html

          Yesterday, I signed a disaster declaration for the state of Louisiana, and this morning I signed a disaster declaration for the state of Mississippi. These declarations will allow federal agencies to coordinate all disaster relief efforts with state and local officials. We will do everything in our power to help the people in the communities affected by this storm. George Bush, August 28, 2005

          "a society is measured by how it treats the weak and vulnerable" - George W. Bush, State of the Union, Feb 2, 2005.

          by icerat on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 03:27:39 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  Actually... (none)
        Yeah she does have to suck up to Bush.

        Let's just say she goes out today and says "I requested aid days ago, but Bush refused to do anything until just recently. He has not explained why." Do you think that Bush, vicious fratboy that he is, would not secretly make sure something bad would happen to her or her state? I'm all for calling Bush out when he fucks up, but if i were in her position this is what i would be thinking.

        (I would also hand a rather nasty letter off to my subordinates and tell them to release it if something really bad happened to me. And it'd get out around November if things went well enough for that.)

        The Shapeshifter's Blog -- Politics, Philosophy, and Madness!

        by Shapeshifter on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 10:38:14 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  At this point... (4.00)

             ...if Bush decides to (further) screw Louisiana in a fit of vindictiveness, it'll only make HIM look worse. Public sympathy is with the hurricane victims.

             

          Republicans oppose abortion -- it happens eighteen years too early.

          by Buzzer on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 10:47:45 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  Blanco (none)
        At best, they would find some child molestation charge to saddle her with. At worse, they would cut off any funding to her state and its people. This has all played out before, many, many times. I think Blanco knows that her best chance to save her people is to keep her mouth shut or risk the consequences.  

        Just look what they are doing to Mayor Nagin now.

        This is sickening and I don't know how to change it.

        •  Too obvious (none)
          At worse, they would cut off any funding to her state and its people.

             If BushCo wants to do this, they can. But they won't get away with it. Too many are watching.

             Though it would certainly help to have an opposition party in America to bring these kinds of things out. Maybe we should form one.

          Republicans oppose abortion -- it happens eighteen years too early.

          by Buzzer on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 10:49:51 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Yeah right... (none)

            If BushCo wants to do this, they can. But they won't get away with it. Too many are watching.

            Judging by what they have gotten away with so far, I am rather doubtful even the tragedy of New Orleans can break the wall of complacency. And make no mistake - the establishment Democrats are a part of this wall. Or at least their balls are buried in it somewhere.

        •  what are they doing to Nagin? (none)
          I've been trying to figure out why I've heard no recent statements from him.
  •  Superdome evac halted again; not enuf buses (none)
    The Times-Picayune just reported that evacuation of Superdome has been halted yet again, because buses were diverted to evacuate the Convention Center.

    "The people at the convention center had been there longer, said Lt. Kevin Cowan of the state Office of Emergency Preparedness."

    http://tinyurl.com/8awdr

    WHY aren't there enough buses to evacuate BOTH centers? Are the evac buses waiting on "Bush orders" too?  

    •  separate and unequal (4.00)
      A quote from the AP article you linked to:

      At one point Friday, the evacuation was interrupted briefly when school buses pulled up so some 700 guests and employees from the Hyatt Hotel could move to the head of the evacuation line -- much to the amazement of those who had been crammed in the Superdome since last Sunday.

      "How does this work? They (are) clean, they are dry, they get out ahead of us?" exclaimed Howard Blue, 22, who tried to get in their line. The National Guard blocked him as other guardsmen helped the well-dressed guests with their luggage


      In God we trust. All others must pay cash.

      by yet another liberal on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 10:20:51 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I saw posted elsewhere (4.00)
        .. that they needed to empty the Hyatt for police and National Guard use. In this case, this would be a logical course of action.

        OTOH, with 50 seats a bus, they needed some 1000 bus runs out of the city. When you have a round trip of, say 8 hours, with about 200 busses you should be easily able to ferry 50k people out of NO within 2 Days. Why the State of Lousiana wasn't able to commandeer and mobilize this amount of busses ôr more is beyond me - with or without federal help.

        So this whole stuff seems rather strange from my point of view. One of the logical things in NO would have been to set up a constant bus shuttle service between the first outpost of Civilizatiuon (i.e. where there is drink water, power and fuel supply) and the city of NO, shutteling supplies in and people out.

        •  thanks for "doing the math" (none)
          200 buses is NOTHING !! Nothing. How hard (or expensive?) could it have been to arrange this emergency evacuation system in advance? to test it, even?

          The 2002 Special Report by the Times-Picayune on effects of "the big hurricane," has a section on Evacuation, and predicted that there'd be "100,000 without transportation" left in the city. worth reading.

          it says: "Faced with those numbers, New Orleans officials have backup plans to move people without transportation: Regional Transit Authority buses and National Guard vehicles would take people out of the city."

          I wonder why those "backup plans" weren't implemented on Sunday? The article mentions some criticism of the plan; was it abandoned with no other plan put into place?

          •  Huh? (none)
            Maybe I just don't get the sarcasm, but 200 buses could still haul out a lot of people.  If there are 50 seats in each one, you could still cram another 20 or so people, if not more.  It would not be the most comfortable ride, but it's infinitely more preferable to drowning or parking your ass on a roof waiting for a chopper ride.
            •  why do you think it's sarcasm? (none)
              I'm very sincere. To think that all those people at the Superdome and the Convention Center, and then more, could have been rescued -- out of New Orleans -- as soon as 2 days after the road was first cleared -- if ONLY 200 buses and bus drivers had been mobilized.... that would've been so easy to do!
            •  oh, maybe you didn't read the post (none)
              I was replying to?

              the "emergency evacuation system" I mention is the plan cris0000 describes, whereby those 200 buses can evacuate 50,000 people in 2 days.

  •  Waiting on Bush's Order (4.00)
    1. Bush was probably advised by Rovians to wait to give the order until he could ride shotgun with the commander. That way the tv cameras would portray him as "the great savior."
    What probably happened is that the uproar from MSM and bloggers made clear to the general American public and the world that people were sick,drowning, marooned, and dying.
    Had he come in "on the White Horse" with Gen. Honore, he would have taken the glory of being a military leader (which would have strengthened his hand that he actually knows what he's doing in Iraq) and that he is a "compassionate conservative" (by bringing to the needy water, food, and medicine.)
    1. What gives the lie to this charade is that he visited Mississippi (my home state) first, where there are many fewer people at immediate risk. He did this because he owes Gov. Haley("I didn't know he was a Chinese national when I took his $1,000 contribution on his boat in Hong Kong harbor.")Barbour, big time. Barbour was chairman of the RNC and helped corral most of the K Street money for Bush and Republicans along with Tom Delay.
    2. When you lead the cavalry, you go where the need is greatest, not take some leisurely walk down a dry street. This isn't to say that the MS Gulf Coast hasn't taken a big hit in death and destruction, but the biggest catastrophe in human suffering is in New Orleans.
    If this was Rove's staging to make Bush look like a leader who was on top of things, it blew up in his face.
    1. The flyover in Air Force One was a ridiculous move, while people were down there dying because Bush refused to give the order until after his photo op shots in Biloxi, not to mention waiting so long to get back to DC from his "vacation." Rovains think that being on Air Force One automatically implies leadership, but the public is over that one (as in "Mission Accomplished" flight suit pictures).
    2. There were probably some Rovians who actually liked the media's replaying black people looting and shouting at authorities. It plays to the prejudices of their white Southern "Christian" voting base. So, maybe there was a difference of political opinion as to how advantageous it would be to actually restore order.
    •  It takes time. (4.00)
      They can't just move the lights and staging equipment they need to set up chimpy in the most prezidential fashion in a heartbeat. It takes a lot of planning.

      I bet they were disppointed that it all had to be done during the day so they couldn't find a way to get a "halo" shot of some kind with the moon or something. They love those.

      Bush was probably advised by Rovians to wait to give the order until he could ride shotgun with the commander. That way the tv cameras would portray him as "the great savior."
  •  We need an investigation of all this (none)
    I hope groups like MoveOn start encouraging people to contact their congressional representatives about this.
    •  An investigation needs to be independent ... (4.00)
      Congress can't possibly have a thorough and unbiased investigation. The Republicans won't allow it.
      •  that's what we need to demand then (none)
        how can this get set up? maybe the media can lead the charge for an independent investigation.

        "Bush don't need to be the president no more." Biloxi survivor, Sept. 1, 2005.

        by Hopeful in AZ on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 10:13:54 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  We need an international body (none)
          at this point to investigate.  Someone very well respected.  They have Bolton in the UN to torpedo things there, but maybe some way to get it done.  

          We need, as the PEOPLE, to request an international body to begin immediate investigation.  Amnesty International?   International Red Cross?  But they already caved in to FEMA when they were told to stay away because "if you feed the poor people, they'll just stay there expecting more free food!"  (note-- entirely my own paraprase of the message).

          I don't think we can trust anybody in the government to do it....Democrats would have it thrown back in their face.  Got to come from outside, someone with a rep for evenhanded investigation.

          "I came to see that news is what people want to keep hidden, and everything else is publicity". ...Bill Moyers, 5/15/05

          by revsue on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 11:39:10 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Maybe (none)
            Jesse Jackson will call for action on removing this government.

            A society of sheep must beget in time a government of wolves. Bertrand de Jouvenel

            by Little Red Hen on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 12:14:12 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  I thought his grandstanding was pathetic... (none)
              and he made an ass out of himself asking why blacks weren't on the leadership of the federal response team. WTF? What a fucking insult to waltz into the area when so many are trying to get out. He would have made more of an impact if he had stood with the Congressional Black Caucus and other black leaders who made a tremendous speech yesterday and are actually doing work behind the scenes to get things done. And after the schiavo thing, he can go to hell. And BTW, those condemning the Dem party, should make it clear that the CBC is leagues apart from the rest of that pathetic bunch.
  •  Evacuees at Cajundome wait for first lady, and for (4.00)
    Evacuees at Cajundome wait for first lady, and for lunch

    The Bush's don't give a damn, except for making it look good for a photo op.

    Thoughts from Connecticut - Cindy daily updates The Lonestar Iconoclast

    by ctsteve on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 09:51:22 AM PDT

  •  I think its time to start publicly and loudy (none)
    asking for the resignation of Bush and the Head of Fema.
  •  This (none)
    man was actually holding up help and relief?
  •  buck passing (none)
    There's a distinct whiff of bureaucratic ass-covering in this report. That said, the military sounds pissed. It's remarkable that an official NORTHCOM spokesman, using his own name and rank, went on the record to blame his Commander-in-Chief for this botch.
  •  Consequences (4.00)
    There are consequences to one's actions, or inactions:

  •  Similarly: FEMA (4.00)
    I saw an off-the-cuff comment from a FEMA relief driver yesterday - broadcast on CNN or ABC news (probably the latter, now that I think about it), that he had his truck loaded with water in Houston on Monday, but wasn't given the order to head to NOLA until Thursday/Friday.

    The Republicans are playing damage control.  I just heard a Pentagon spokesman on CNN claim that the army and National Guard had to completely change their plan for the relief operation because they did not realize that they would have to provide law enforcement services because they did not anticipate that 2/3 of the NOLA police force would walk off the job.  He was absolutely transferring the blame for their failure to act to the NOLA police force and local officials.  They must have had an executive committee meeting Thursday to come up with ways to transfer blame, since they are doing the same thing, pretty much across the board.

    Bastards.  They are engaged in full CYA-mode.  

    •  Why they walked (none)
      While I'm mad that anyone could quit at a time like this, let us remember that many of them probably had their own families and friends to worry about and the situation was waaayyy beyond their abillity to control and they saw NO help coming. While it bugs me that anyone could walk away, I also understand since the other night ABC showed a couple nurses walking out of NO simply because they were being overloaded and simply could not bear it anymore. Once again this shows why it is a distaster of such proportions that ONLY the Feds had the means and ability to deal with it properly and they were AWOL!
      •  I can think of any number of reasons (4.00)
        why local cops would not be on the job.

        Some of them may have evacuated before the hurricane hit, and not been able to make it back.

        Some of them may be among those stranded in their own homes, having decided to ride out the storm to be able to help out afterwards.

        Some of them may be psychologically overwhelmed by the sheer magnitude of it all.

        Some of them may be working locally in their neighborhood doing whatever they can, not wearing uniforms, and not reporting to police stations that may or may not even be in operation.

        Some of them may be dead.

        The list could go on.

        I could say that no-one could have imagined that not 100% of local cops would be on the job right after Katrina passed through. But I'd be lying if I said that.

        The CYA crowd in the Administration is not above lying.

        He has oil. He tried to kill my daddy.

        by kensa on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 10:20:17 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Some quit (4.00)
          when told they were to quit rescue and start stopping looters and gangs only.
          I would quit or disobey that order too because the only other rescuers were the coast guard.
        •  Agree. (4.00)
          Agree with everything you said.  Moreover: given the circumstances in which the remaining NOLA police force is operating (no water, food, gasoline, few bullets, sleep, homes destroyed, families missing, etcetera, etcetera), I'm outraged that the Pentagon would shift blame to the force as a whole, since there obviously ARE NOLA police officers still trying to do work on the ground under the worst possible conditions.  

          It's just vile.

        •  Hello: (none)
          Sociopaths.

          A society of sheep must beget in time a government of wolves. Bertrand de Jouvenel

          by Little Red Hen on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 12:16:53 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  communications were DEAD (4.00)
        from the get go.  You had islands of NOPD with no way to talk to the other islands, fires, bodies, looters, shooters, officers who had lost homes, lost contact with their families and loved ones and did I mention total radio silence?

        Yes, by all means let's blame these obviously cowardly and corrupt selfish officers for "deserting."  Just as you blame Mayor Nagin.  

        The only bright side I have found this week?  None of this spin-as-usual seems to be working.  Not a bit.  Remember after the last two monster hurricane disasters in this country we got a big fat dose of populist progressivism.  The wind that blew in this week is bigger than any on the right could have imagined in their worst dreams.  They can't argue with "THIS is exactly for what we were told the federal government had been spending up the money and curtailing civil rights for four full years in order to provide.  What if this had been a dirty bomb?  What if a dirty bomb goes off somewhere else RIGHT NOW?"

        Derelict and criminally negligent for the whole world to see.  All this before Fitzgerald hands down his indictments.  Have hope, the bad guys always get theirs in the last act.

  •  More inaction (none)
    Millions of dollars worth of first responder gear is sitting 12 hours away from the Gulf Coast, waiting for the right paperwork

    http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/09/03/katrina.unusedgear/index.html

  •  The Seattle Times (4.00)
    has a must read on this.  Red Tape:

    But officers said no military assets can be touched without an official request from FEMA.
    snip

    A request from FEMA -- say, water delivered for 1,000 people a day, or a dozen emergency generators and fuel at the New Orleans airport -- must come through a defense coordinating officer in Baton Rouge, La., or Jackson, Miss.

    It then is forwarded to the operations center at Camp Shelby, which ensures the military can meet it.

    Next, it is forwarded to Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado Springs, Colo., where officials of Northern Command -- which oversees all active-duty military operations in the United States -- match it with specific units.

    The package finally goes to the Pentagon to await the signature of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. Only then can the unit be deployed, whether it's a squadron of helicopters or a dozen dump trucks

    snip

    The staggeringly desperate situation at the New Orleans Convention Center "wasn't anybody's priority until this morning," Colglazier said yesterday.

    Q. Yes. Is there any idea how long a 'last throe' lasts for? - Terry Moran, ABC

    by acuppajo on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 10:09:28 AM PDT

  •  doubt the media will report this (none)
    they haven't even reported that the Red Cross has been denied access to New Orleans since the hurriance hit.  Guess Karl was able to whip them back into shape
  •  When Bush was called to duty... (4.00)
    he failed to show up...again. Just like his old TANG days.

    Additionally, he has no exit strategy for Iraq...he has no exit strategy for New Orleans...

    I sure as hell hope we're thinking of HIS exit strategy from Washington...and the general population.

  •  BushCo's word of the day: "bureaucracy" (4.00)
    I just caught a bit of CNN showing Bush at the mike.

    He swore that he wasn't going to let "bureaucracy" get in the way of rescue efforts.

    I'll bet I've just heard the word of the day.  You'll be hearing this word in the orchestrated comments of all the Bushies.

    By blaming it on "bureaucracy" they can make it sound like the problem is too much government, when in reality the problem is that they've stripped away the kind of government we need the most.

    The word "bureaucracy" makes it sound like Bush gave the order to act but that layers of bureaucrats stood between him and the troops, when in reality Bush was fatally late in giving the order.

    •  The "bureaucracy"... (4.00)

        ...seems to work quite well wen it's got the money and resources. As it did under Clinton.

        That dog won't hunt if the Democrats point this out.

        Oh, wait a minute...

      Republicans oppose abortion -- it happens eighteen years too early.

      by Buzzer on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 10:29:34 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  bush's lies (none)
        bush's lies are no longer gonna work. The picture of him eating fucking cake with asshole McCain is all that needs to be seen.

         Bush's apporval was at 40% before this, I cannot imagine anyone beleiving his is doing a good job after this, except the brown shirts on the right.

        •  Here's a MoveOn ad for you... (4.00)

             An image of a weatherman forecasting disaster for New Orleans.

             An image of Bush at Crawford.

             An image of the hurricane hitting New Orleans with all its fury.

             An image of Bush golfing.

             An image of suffering, dehydrated people left behind in the flooded city.

             An image of Bush strumming the G chord.

             An image of flattened buildings and starving babies on overpasses.

             An image of Bush and McCain eating cake.

             Flesh it out and we've got the ad of the century...

             

          Republicans oppose abortion -- it happens eighteen years too early.

          by Buzzer on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 10:56:09 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  National Guard delay (4.00)
    Several states were ready to send National Guard trrops, Gov. Blanco had requested them, but the paper work sat in Washington until late Thursday.

    This AP article spells it out.

    Even if paperwork delayed the deployment of the Guard, "Bush had the legal authority to order the National Guard to the disaster area himself, as he did after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks."

    America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. --Abraham Lincoln

    by thebes on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 10:33:04 AM PDT

  •  BBC: WORLD MOBILIZES TO AID US VICTIMS (4.00)
    I have been searching the BBC websites to see if I could find the interview regarding the US Northern Command waiting for Presidential orders. I did not find it yet but I came upon this and had to share (from the BBC News):

    "World mobilises to aid US victims
    More than 44 foreign governments and international organisations have offered aid to help with the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.
    Sri Lanka and Indonesia, who were recipients of US assistance after the tsunami, were among the list of potential donors.
    Cuba and Venezuela put aside their differences with the Bush administration to offer assistance.
    The US state department said all the offers were being examined.
    Returning a favour
    President Hugo Chavez of Venezuela - a major oil exporting country - said he had offered to send cheap fuel.
    The state department has not decided whether to accept it.
    The United States is so often at the forefront of international aid efforts to help less fortunate nations
    Foreign Minister Alexander Downer
    Singapore sent Chinook helicopters following a request by the US to Fort Polk, Louisiana, to help to ferry supplies and undertake airlift missions.
    Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon wrote to President George Bush offering medical teams, saying they could be ready within 24 hours.
    Sri Lanka said it was donating $25,000 (£13,500) to the American Red Cross, while Japan has pledged $200,000 and Australia, $8m (£4.3m), to the charity.
    "The United States is so often at the forefront of international aid efforts to help less fortunate nations," Foreign Minister Alexander Downer said.
    Developing nations, normally recipients of US aid, offered to become donors, such as Honduras, Guatemala and Jamaica.
    The Paris-based International Energy Agency (IEA), representing 26 countries, agreed to release the equivalent of two million barrels of oil per day from emergency reserves.
    The extra supply is aimed at helping the markets deal more effectively with the disruption caused by Hurricane Katrina, said the IEA."

  •  Farfetched? (4.00)
    Somebody on another thread yesterday, about FEMA's prevention of Red Cross intervention, linked the issue to that of land expropriation.

    I am starting to get the feeling that someone at the White House decided to look upon what is happening in New Orleans as an opportunity for redevelopment. That they decided that everyone from the city would need to be evacuated for that to proceed smoothly, and that they would thus not allow any thing like water into the city to prevent people from setting up little belligerant squats or from returning home, watered and well-fed? Basically, that they did not want agencies like the Red Cross or Northern Command to make people comfortable, because then they might not leave and thus pave the way for smooth (and profitable) redevelopment.

    Is this crazy?

  •  Link to BBC World News (4.00)
    Oh, here is the link to BBC World News:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/

  •  Smoke, meet gun (none)

    "We can win elections only by standing up for what we believe." --Howard Dean

    by Jim in Chicago on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 10:40:59 AM PDT

    •  HOWARD DEAN (4.00)
      I'm disappointed.  Where is he?  We need a voice!  Ray Nagin will be castrated by Bush and his "Airforce" for saying what he did, albeit the truth.  
      •  I've been wondering myself (none)
        If anyone could have raised a stink and shamed these murderous thugs into action days ago, I would have thought it would be Dean. But I've heard nothing from him.

        Where's the Dean Scream? He could have done this, saved some lives, and still have provides cover for the spineless ones in Congress, err, I mean still on vacation.

  •  This is what I have been telling people all week (none)
    I know that our men and women in the regular military have the guts, the training and the equipment to get the job done. and I would be willing ot bet any amount of money that they were chomping at te bit to help their fellow Ameicans, much more so that fight some stupid war in Iraq.

    "We must all hang together or assuredly we will all hang seperately." - Ben Franklin

    by RandyMI on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 11:17:59 AM PDT

    •  Absolutely Right!! (none)
      My same thoughts.  They are "can do" and would have been there.  In 1969 the 15th Infantry was on the ground throughout the Camille disaster zone within 48 hours.  Why not this time??
  •  Haliburton (none)
    He okayed a contract for cleanup on Monday for Haliburton but he couldn't deploy the troops?  God, what a murderer. Michael Brown, Michael Chertoff and all the rest of the incompetents need to be jailed along with Bush for Murder!!!
  •  Roberts and the estate tax (none)
    Since the repeal of the estate tax and the confirmation of Roberts are likely to be the result of Bush's delays, perhaps they were the reason. A final act of looting.

    Probably they know they are crashing and burning. Why should they care? They've already ripped off billions of dollars. Time to retire for awhile, let others do the work of recovery.

  •  Chertoff Press conference just now (none)
    A hurricane that breached the levees in New Orleans was "not reasonably foreseeable".  When he goes on trial for criminal negligence, that statement should be exhibit one.  

    But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg.

    by calipygian on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 11:32:41 AM PDT

    •  I'm listening also (4.00)
      and he just stated how confident he is in FEMA director Brown  and the Coast Guard rescuers.  The first responders should not be lumped with Brown, the Coast Guard has responded heroically and our military could have done the same if given the order.  There is still a massive Command and Control failure on the ground that the military is designed for.
  •  This is the (4.00)
    Rumsfeld approach.  Honestly I have been watching this week and I feel like I am seeing the same type of leadership and planning that we had going into Baghdad...."democracy is messy" and "shit happens" and "people are free to behave as they like".....
  •  DHS (4.00)
    In the event of a terrorist attack, natural disaster or other large-scale emergency, the Department of Homeland Security will assume primary responsibility on March 1st for ensuring that emergency response professionals are prepared for any situation. This will entail providing a coordinated, comprehensive federal response to any large-scale crisis and mounting a swift and effective recovery effort. The new Department will also prioritize the important issue of citizen preparedness. Educating America's families on how best to prepare their homes for a disaster and tips for citizens on how to respond in a crisis will be given special attention at DHS.

    http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/theme_home2.jsp

  •  If this is true (none)
    and I have little reason to doubt the BBC, then this is gross dereliction of duty to say the least.  The only question though--is it impeachable.

    BTW, the diarist forgot to close the last blockquote tag ... it's messing up the comments.

  •  Please read (none)
    and see if this idea has merit.  There is so much info going around it is hard to keep track of it all.

    Compile Info re Help Offered-Rejected/Delayed

  •  Only One ship! (none)
      Everything was not ready!  The National Guard are depleted, their equipment is depleted, and why were the other ships not prepostioned nearby?
      Becareful what you read into this.  I think rove and crew will get the right wing media to twist this report into their favor.

    Congress.org http://www.congress.org - Use It to contact your local, state and national politicians and the media.

    http://www.securingamerica.com/

    by kevin22262 on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 12:15:34 PM PDT

  •  Chertoff Lied (none)
    I watched his press conference just a half hour ago.  something along the lines of:

    "We didn't know the storm would hit NO until Saturday.  The national guard just can't be called up in 24 hours, these are citizen soldiers...."

    I guess that's what you get when you appoint a lawyer to head up FEMA.  It was a truly Rumsfeldian performance.  

    "He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." - Dr. Johnson via HST

    by shystee on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 12:29:03 PM PDT

    •  i was watching (none)
      and listening, and I didn't know Chertoff's background but he kept making comments about "what would hold up in court" and "legal arguments" and more legal nonsense, and guessed he must be a lawyer of the super-slimy variety.

      "People seem not to see that their opinion of the world is also a confession of their character."--Ralph Waldo Emerson

      by rioduran on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 04:52:40 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  NOLA hospitals get assistance (4.00)
    "Five days after Hurricane Katrina slammed into New Orleans and the surrounding Gulf Coast, help finally arrived for two of the city's most devastated hospitals.

    Rescuers were able to evacuate everyone from both Charity and University hospitals late Friday, the Associated Press reported Saturday morning.

    "The last information I have is that all of the buildings are empty," Don Smithburg, head of the Louisiana State University hospital system, told the wire service.

    Roughly 2,200 people were evacuated, including 363 patients; three terminally ill patients died during the rescue effort. Smithburg told the AP he did not know how many died while waiting for help. With food and water running out, some hospital employees had given each other intravenous fluids to stay alive."


    LINK

    Be a Carville, not a Colmes

    by seesdifferent on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 12:30:35 PM PDT

  •  Murderers. (none)
    Why did Bush wait? Real estate.

    Why was Rice celebrating by buying $1000 dollar shoes? Why was it that after the Tsunamai she said it was an "opportunity" to rebuild in a new and better way?

    What's an ownership society?

    Say hello to the New Dark Ages. These people are psychotic.

    U.S. blue collar worker vs. CEO income in 1992 was 1:80; in 1998 it was 1:420.

    by Lode Runner on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 12:50:51 PM PDT

  •  DU POST HAS LINK TO VIDEO (4.00)

    What's madness but nobility of the soul at odds with circumstance?

    by slinkerwink on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 12:57:38 PM PDT

    •  I didn't see a video link (none)
      on that DU post, but this quote from the Salon cached page:
      What will the president do now that he's back in Washington? He'll give a televised speech from the White House at 5 p.m., and he may contemplate sending active-duty U.S. soldiers to New Orleans to help stop looting there. Appearing on CNN, Adm. Timothy Keating, the chief of the U.S. Northern Command, said he's awaiting a request from the governor of Louisiana and an order from the president of the United States.
      Sounds like Keating was just discussing the looting aspect, not the fact they they were pre-positioned and waiting for orders on rescues, etc. 'Course I could be misinterpreting.
  •  I just heard this - It all makes sense now! (4.00)
    I just heard it with my own ears on CNN.  Reporter talking to a man in (and apparently from) the New Orleans area about some more people found that needed evacuation.  This is not a verbatim quote :

    "I'm so glad George Bush got here.  After he got here yesterday, the Nat'l Guard started moving people out, getting food and water in." etc etc.

    I've sat and watched and ranted along with the rest of you about the horrific inhumanity that was going on in New Orleans.  I just couldn't bring myself to believe that the people were being left to suffer and die because they were black.  I was right .... I think.

    It was all a political show.  Bush's approval ratings were tanking, Iraq war failing, Cindy Sheehan movement mounting, CIA leak investigation nearing end .... they needed something to boost the people's confidence and loyalty in their President and get those poll numbers up.   The 2006 elections are nearing.

    Obviously they didn't develop Katrina but from the moment it started looking like a mess, the political arm of the Bush regime (i.e. Karl Rove) sprung into action.  Memos carefully sent out on certain dates, Bush's unprecedented (remember) declaration of emergency before Katrina hit, his announcement about complete evacuation of New Orleans ..... all laid out.  Then they just waited to see what would happen and they waited and watched the suffering and held back the rescue and relief effort to the point that people were beside themselves, both in and out of the devastated area  ..... And they then flew Bush in to save the day.  

    This is a "cross post".  I didn't see your diary and posted to the most current thread - the Iraq War story.

    •  sad (none)
      I was wondering if this whole exercise was just some psycho sort of sociology experiment.

      "People seem not to see that their opinion of the world is also a confession of their character."--Ralph Waldo Emerson

      by rioduran on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 04:54:58 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Nahhhh.... (none)
    Rove didn't plan this - there just wasn't anybody at the White House to sign for the UPS sent paperwork from the Northern Command.
    Sheesh.
  •  Democrats (none)
    My staunch republican friend now agrees that Bush is an incompetent shit, however, he sees no Democrat worth a vote.  And he's right!  Whether it's because the MSM doesn't report dems with balls, or, there are no dems with both balls and a mouth.  I believe the same was true in 2004---choice was a shitty president or no one.  That's not my point of view, but I do understand it.

    Time for a third party?

  •  Anyone have data on response time when Jeb asked? (none)
    Is it just my imagination, or did the Prez respond faster when Hurricane Ivan hit Florida? The right-wingers are trying to say Governor Blanco didn't have her paperwork in order--did Jeb have to jump through hoops to get his brother's attention? I don't think so.

    Apparently, in this country, the response time is faster for rich people and the Bush family.

  •  Evil (4.00)
    these folks are pure evil.

    I'm not going anywhere. I'm standing up, which is how one speaks in opposition in a civilized world. - Ainsley Hayes

    by jillian on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 01:44:42 PM PDT

  •  Important Point Missed (4.00)
    If the Northern Command was ready to go, it is unlikely that they just sat around waiting for orders to arrive.

    For starters, no matter how good your communications are, messages can get lost.

    Therefore, it is extremely likely that the people who knew they were ready to go telephoned back channel up line to inquire what was happening, if for no other reason then so if it was 'we are waiting until tomorrow morning for a decision' was ordered they would know that that could feed and sleep their drivers.

    That inquiry would have gone up the line through not many steps to the Pentagon and Secretary Rumsfeld, and at some point something happened.  However, entirely within orthodox and real military protocol, it is really unlikely that Northern Command did not make informal inquiries to see what they were going to be expected to do.

    And, therefore, someone upstream was informally asked, or his adjutant was asked to ask, the next level up what was happening.  And at that point someone either sat on the request, or passed down from on high a decision not to act.

    •  It does not work like this in emergencies. (4.00)
      Northern Command has a "red phone" connected directly to the White House.

      They are authorized to shoot down civilian planes on their own since 9/11.

      There has to be some pissed off generals in Colorado Springs.

      I am surpised nobody just said, fuck orders and went ahead anyway without authorization because Americans were dying.  This disappoints me.

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      by Shockwave on Sat Sep 03, 2005 at 02:22:56 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I think the generals (4.00)
        didn't want to say "fuck orders" ... I bet they knew what was going down and because of the hostile way the civilian leadership of the Pentagon has been treating uniformed officers, they just let them get their ass in a sling.

        I do not ever want to see the military making decisions in this nation, without elected civilian leadership from the White House.

        BUT................

        Just what the hell do we do when the White House is full of syncophants and character assassins? And idiots like Bush?  Do we want the military to act without orders?  Yet people are dying soley because of stupidity and incompetence...

        God, this whole mess is so awful and so ugly.  I try and try and simply cannot comprehend the utter and complete incompetency being shown, especially by FEMA and "Homeland" Security.  

        I think I'm going to get a batch of "I live in AMERICA, not the Homeland" bumperstickers.

  •  ABC is making the claim as well... (none)
    It is just one-liners for now, but it will build...
  •  Can't Resist (none)
    PERPS

    Look at the faces, read the message.

    These men are the rotten core of America, they are gathered in one place and you can see on their hard, vile faces everything that is wrong with the US today.

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