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Oliver Willis has the roster:

These eleven congressmen, Republican conservatives all, just voted against the $51 billion package ( H. R. 3673) for the victims of Hurricane Katrina. Horrible human beings, all.

Rep. Joe Barton - TX

Jeff Flake - AZ

Virginia Foxx - NC

Scott Garrett - NJ

John Hostettler - IN

Steve King - IA

Butch Otter - ID

Ron Paul - TX

James Sensenbrenner - WI

Tom Tancredo - CO

Lynn Westmoreland - GA

Meanwhile, the General Manager of Team Hate America, Tom DeLay, can't stop gushing about the great job being done on the gulf coast.
It’s easy to be a Monday morning quarterback, but you should have been in that control room where those people were making life and death decisions, people that stayed up and got no sleep and very little food for five to six days straight trying to make the right decisions to save people. What happens when we come up here? They point the finger. You didn’t make the right decision here. You didn’t take care of my aides there. You didn’t do this. You didn’t do that. The point is if you look at the big picture, it’s a phenomenal accomplishment by everybody involved. It’s unbelievable. I am constantly struck by where we are today just a little over a week from the worst catastrophe that this country has seen.
It's "unbelievable", no doubt about that.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:10 PM PDT.

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  •  And come next year (none)
    they'll be FORMER Congressmen...
    •  hopefully Sensenbrenner (none)
      that repugnant pig has been an embaressment to my state for too many years.

      Brett Favre for Wisconsin - Senate 2008 (Feingold for President)

      by Groper on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:26:19 PM PDT

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    •  Otter (none)
      Well Butch Otter will not be a congressman next year because he will be running for Governor of Idaho to replace the dispicable Kempthorn.  

      I sent him a letter just now asking how he can justify not caring about his fellow Americans.

      It saddens me, because while he is very conservative, he always seemed libertarian, not evil.

      •  In this case Libertarian IS evil (none)
        I've got a certain amount of respect for the libertarian postition, but in terms of stuff like this disaster the idea that government has no proper role except to enforce contract rights is disgusting.

        Some quotes from the libertarian party's official blog, for your consideration:

        Again, I am deviating from the topic, but I feel I should point out that the Authoritarians are rising out of the woodwork as Hurricane Katrina approaches. Never fails, as soon as a natural disaster approaches, this country goes into third reich mode. Maybe if we got rid of FEMA, and the rest, these morons would stop building cities that are 12 feet below sea level.

        People on this blog thread, have, repeatedly, referred to the necessesity of reducing government spending. I have a new first choice for cutting the feds. FEMA, the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

        They will go, rushing in to tread along with the fools to the former city of New Orleans, there to waste our tax money left and right.

        On a side note, the Federal Government does not have the enumerated power to provide emergency management services, so FEMA is unconstitutional in any event. The only constitutional role the federal government could have is activating the militia, at Louisana's request, to put down looting. It is reserved to the states to handle emergencies.

        Disgusting.

    •  This should be a political commercial (none)
      Scene: panoramic views of New Orleans, Gulfport, and Biloxi after Katrina
      Narrator: on August 29, 2005, Hurricane Katrina wrought massive devatation to the United States. Over 1 million Americanswere displaced from their homes. Thousands of Americans died
      Scene': Ground zero 9-11
      Narrator: Just as in 9-11, our country is called to respond with courage and commitment
      Scene: Montage of the above named Republicans overlayed upon a picture of Osama bin Laden
      Narrator: So why would these Republicansbe against the American people.

      Vote Democrat for a safer stronger America.

    •  Re: Ron Paul (none)
      He's been the most staunchly anti-war Republican Congressman. He is staunchly anti-patriot act. He's basically an ideological Libertarian, on all issues. While I find this vote atrocious & would prefer a Dem in his seat, it ain't gonna happen. And I sure as hell would rather have Ron Paul in that seat than an ideological Republican, because on a lot of important issues, he'll caucus with Democrats.

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      by lucid on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 08:13:16 PM PDT

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    •  Oh, Smokey Joe (none)

      "There is no god, and I am his prophet." SocraticGadfly

      by steverino on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 10:40:26 PM PDT

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  •  Westmoreland.... (none)
    My parents live in his district.  He's going to be toast.  Their Republicans who said every elected offical nees to be tossed out and we start anew.
  •  Wait... (none)
    they voted against what?

    Throw the bums out!

    by Mikey on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:10:35 PM PDT

    •  They don't like gov't spending (none)
      They think it should be done by private industry or even by federal government considering their low opinions of the LA state gov't.
      •  truth be told... (4.00)
        this bill was kind of shoved through with no chance for anyone to even read what was in it.  One thing I saw on TPM is that gov't employess who have gov't credit cards just got a credit line increase from 15k to 250k, for example.  Also, most of the money is going to FEMA and who knows how they're going to spend it?

        I realize it had to be politicially expedient to vote for it regardless, it given the overall track record it's probably going to turn out to be just another pork barrel with little going to actually assist anyone who really needs it.

        •  Wasn't that huge appropriations bill (4.00)
          earlier also shoved through and so big that no one had a chance to read it?  

          But it passed.

        •  So.... (4.00)
          how did they vote on the big money Iraq bills?  and principled stands on spending there?

          how did they vote on the bullshit missle defense spending - talk about good money after bad.

          Keep in mind this bill was proposed BY BUSH and ramrodded by the GOP leadership.

          This needs to be front and center in their district EVERY DAMNED DAY until they are kicked out of office.

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          by its simple IF you ignore the complexity on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:41:51 PM PDT

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        •  This was what I started thinking... (4.00)
          ... and isn't this the type of vote they hung around Kerry's neck last year, that he voted against the Iraq appropriation, which he did along with others because they wanted to make part of the money a loan instead of a grant? But they said was simply that he voted against it.

          It is difficult to keep the spin straight... but I guess that is why they call it spin.

      •  That's Exactly Tancredo's Claim (none)
        Here's how he was quoted in today's Rocky Mountain News:
        "Given the abysmal failure of state and local officials in Louisiana to plan adequately for or respond to the effects of Hurricane Katrina on the city of New Orleans, and given the long history of public corruption in Louisiana, I hope the House will refrain from directly appropriating any funds . . . to either the state of Louisiana or the city of New Orleans," Tancredo wrote.

        Tancredo lashed out at New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin and Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco, both Democrats, as having "demonstrated mind-boggling incompetence in their lack of planning for and response to this disaster."

        He issued a milder rebuke to the Federal Emergency Management Agency, accusing it of "bureaucratic ineptitude."

        I'm surprised we haven't seen him frothing at the mouth recently.
  •  And are they all... (none)
    ... up for reelection next year?

    And how could a Georgian vote this way? WTF?

  •  Tom Tancredo (none)
    is thinking of running for Preznit.  I can't say any more, my sides start aching every time I think of that.  Oh wait, I suppose if Bush can win, then...  nah.
  •  damn... (none)
    Wow, Jeff Flake is my rep since moving out here in AZ.

    sad.

  •  It's a shame (none)
    to see Ron Paul's name up there. The guy is no neoconservative.
    •  Ron Paul is a libertarian (4.00)

      Thus it is in line for him to vote against this bill.  I will always respect Ron Paul for consistency of philosophy, both against government spending for the Iraq War, and also here, even if I agree with him in the former and disagree with him in the latter.

      Why do the facts, reality and objective truth hate America and the baby Jesus?

      by WinSmith on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:13:22 PM PDT

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    •  Ron Paul (4.00)
      is the only one with an excuse.  He thinks the government should go back to the gold standard and not spend a dime on anything except defense.

      This catastrophe shows how ass backward his philosophical devotion to libertarianism can be.

      I can't imagine what the others are thinking by voting against this badly needed relief package.

      •  And this, in a nutshell... (4.00)
        ...is exactly why I decided I was a small-L libertarian Democrat, not a big-L Libertarian.  It is impossible to reconcile a social conscience with the hard-line positions required to maintain a consistent Libertarian position.

        -AG

        You are so evolved it boggles my fragile little mind. Now give me a 4, fucker. (Bill In Portland Maine, to Meteor Blades)

        by AlphaGeek on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:23:34 PM PDT

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        •  Ron Paul (4.00)
          has this bizarre idea that you should read laws before voting for them.

          Of course, this requires having Conrgressmen who know how to read.

          For example, he voted against the Patriot Act, when the spineless remainder (less a few) of Congress voted for it.

          Don't worry, you'll eventually find what was actually in that bill, now that it is too late.

          You don't really believe that because a bill is called something, that that is what is in it, do you?  Fr example, if they were still trying to shove the Real ID internal passport law through, it would be in here.

          •  emergencies (none)
            you know something, there are bills that you have an intern skim and there are bills that you make it your business to read and yes, there are probably bills that you vote on because your party whip told you to.

            This one, if it had a bunch of dollars in it and was headed ot he disaster site, is one you could vote for now and conduct oversight on later.  People are still dying.  Hundreds of thousands are displaced.  This is not a sugar subsidy bill.

            •  Doesn't matter to Paul (4.00)
              He votes no to every spending bill.  He is a 100% full fledged Libertarian.  He was the Libertarian Party's presidential nominee in 1988!  They don't call him Dr. No.  I have never seen him make a non-Libertarian vote.  This means he's anti-war and anti-Patriot Act, too.
    •  He has a consistent libertarian voting record (4.00)
      While his economic policies are extreme, he has been an outspoken opponent of the Iraq war and Patriot Act. In one of the most conservative districts of Texas no less.

      He also voted against CAFTA, not because he is against free trade, but because CAFTA is managed corporate trade.  Paul I guess supports lifting all restrictions on imports, with national security type exceptions.

    •  This Exposes The BS of Ron Paul (3.50)
      Sure, he's against some things the Bush administration does.  Because he's against government.  

      Most strict libertarians live in an ahistorical la-la land, as grounded in reality as the fevered fantasies of anarcho-syndacalists.  

      I've never accepted the "oh, Ron Paul's not as bad as the rest of the Repblicans" bullshit.  It's the same thing as all the fawning over Justin Raimondo and his gang of assholes over at antiwar.com; who gives a shit that he's against this war when you're looking for true allies.  The guy ran against Nancy Pelosi as a Republican, and he gave Pat Buchanan's nominating speech on one of Buchanan's runs for President.  With Paul, like Raimondo, the supposed enemy of my enemy is not always my friend.

      The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

      by Dana Houle on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:27:04 PM PDT

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      •  I like Paul and Buchanan (none)
        Sure, they aren't perfect, but they know how to hammer on the Iraq War. And of course, with friends like John Kerry and John Edwards (not to mention Lieberman, Gephardt, and the list goes on) voting for the IWR and Patriot Act, who needs enemies?
      •  Paul is useful at times (4.00)
        Want a Republican to join you in sponsoring a bill against police state bullshit or the war in Iraq?  There you go.

        He's a die hard Libertarian and votes as such in a very consistant manner.  In fact, I have even made a simple test on how to tell what the proper, moral, position to take on any bill:

        If Ron Paul and Russ Feingold vote the same way on any bill, then the way they voted is 100% certain to be the correct position to take.

        I have not been able to come up with any vote that violates this rule.

    •  I'll wait to see why Paul didn't vote for it. (4.00)
        Whether you agree or disagree with him Paul is probably one of the few honest politicians out there. He was my congressman before redistricting, and I voted for him mainly for his fiscal restraint, and his belief in the Constitution. Did I agree with all of his beliefs "no", but then I'm not a party sycophant. Besides, the democrats running were as crooked as a dogs leg, and total tools. I recently wrote him an email asking him to sponsor articles of impeachement against Bush, due to his negligence in fullfiling the most basic of his job functions " Keeping Americans safe".  I hope he has the balls to do it.
      •  Details of the Bill are Important (none)
        I agree with this post. Why these people voted against the bill is very important! We all know what the bill is labeled and what is actually in the bill can be quite different. Just like the Patriot bill protects our freedom! This bill may have just been a massive corporate give away with no real relief. How do we know?
      •  Ron Paul's District is on the Gulf Coast (none)
        Ron Paul represents the 14th District of Texas which includes the Texas coast from Corpus Christi to Galveston including Palacios which was hit by a hurricane in 2002.  I guess the people in that are don't want any help when the next hurrican hits them?

        "Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts." --Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan

        by Houndentenor on Fri Sep 09, 2005 at 06:30:11 AM PDT

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  •  Sensenbrenner, Tancredo (4.00)
    Hardly surprising coming from those two reptilian bastards.

    I'm interested in knowing if this is an atypical vote for any of the remaining nine.

    -AG

    You are so evolved it boggles my fragile little mind. Now give me a 4, fucker. (Bill In Portland Maine, to Meteor Blades)

    by AlphaGeek on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:11:47 PM PDT

    •  Steve King is another reptilian bastard. (4.00)
      I just called the Des Moines Register's political editor...spoke with her live and told her about King's vote.  I said I just wanted her to know and she said she would immediately call their people in Washington to confirm.
      •  Good on you (none)
        When all is said and done, it's all about accountability, after all.

        -AG

        You are so evolved it boggles my fragile little mind. Now give me a 4, fucker. (Bill In Portland Maine, to Meteor Blades)

        by AlphaGeek on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:24:43 PM PDT

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      •  He did what???? (none)
        Steve King is definately a reptillian bastard.

        He's the same guy who defended Abu Gharib on behalf of the administration as 'not much more than Fraternity Hazing'.

        This is your Representative, Iowa's 5th District!  The lot of you in Western Iowa are a bunch of Conservative Pricks, but this is reprehansibile!

        - One of those liberal weenies in Des Moines.

      •  Steve King (none)
        King is known as a rabid anti-immigration zealot and is usually toeing the racist rhetoric line.  I heard him on the radio here in Iowa playing up that there was no looting during the flood of '93, basically trying to drum up some racial hatred.  He is pure scum.

        Here is a news release from this Christian news service:

        "An Iowa congressman says he doesn't want Congress to allocate billions of dollars to rebuild sections of the devastated Gulf Coast that could end up being flooded again. Last week Congress approved $10.5 billion in emergency aid for the victims of Hurricane Katrina. Iowa Republican Steve King says he hopes the aid will help complete rescue operations and give the region a good start on recovery. But King, who serves on the Agriculture and Small Business Committees, thinks the nation's economy could take a hit. "[As] long as we're looking at $3-plus [per gallon of] gas -- we're all paying a price for that -- I don't think we're going to see the economic growth in the next three or four months that we've seen in the last three or four," the lawmaker says. So King thinks those in Washington should be careful in approving $52 billion in additional funds that could be allocated to rebuild areas that possibly could be flooded again. "We need to stop any resources from going into a reconstruction effort that's not well thought out [or] that doesn't have a long-term plan," he suggests. "So that's what I'm dealing with -- trying to sort out this budget request and see if we can get it pared down to an amount that helps people recover, but doesn't throw good money after bad." King says Americans should stop pointing fingers of blame and instead turn their energies toward saving people and helping fellow citizens to recover."

        I'm sure that thought doesn't extend to the government money used to rebuild in Iowa floodplains though.

        •  Steve King (none)
          Steve King is MY congressman, the district I live in. Naturally I don't like him, but I'm in the minority.

          I'm hoping he runs against Tom Harkin next time (and loses), or runs for governor (and loses).

          He seems to have a lock on his seat. The Repubs in the district have a large majority.

          One thing about the guy, and I guess it's true about the Repubs overall, he doesn't care what anyone thinks.

    •  Steve King Is the Guy... (4.00)
      ...who got all aroused about the Medicare drug benefit covering Viagra.  

      "Is it the government's business to provide those funds and resources so that old men can have sex when they want?" the congressman asked, adding-without irony-that this "kind of growth in government was never envisioned by our Founding Fathers."

      The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

      by Dana Houle on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:49:27 PM PDT

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  •  Please (4.00)
    Tell me they are all Republicans.

    Did they vote for it before they voted against it?

    They voted NO because there wasn't a no bid contract for Halliburton!

    Oohh... triple snark!

    •  They are all.. (none)
      Republicans although Ron Paul voted against the bill based on ideology while the rest voted against the bill for who knows what reason.

      Voting against this needed aid package has to be seen as inexcusable in my view.

      This post is not to be misconstrued as associated with political fundraising or any other campaign activity. This post is general commentary of current events.

      by RichardG on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:43:21 PM PDT

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  •  Wilco Tango Foxtrot? (4.00)
    What possible rationale could they use to do that?

    Impeach Gary Bettman

    by Edanger6 on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:12:26 PM PDT

  •  and of course... (none)
    they all belong to the party of hate.
  •  a list of their districts for future reference (none)
    No Votes on HR 3673  $52 Billion aid package
    Barton (TX) 6th Republican
    Flake (AZ) 6th Republican
    Foxx (NC) 5th Republican
    Garrett (NJ) 5th Republican
    Hostettler (IN) 8th Republican
    King (IA) Republican
    Otter (ID) 1st Republican
    Paul (TX) 14th Republican
    Sensenbrenner (WI) 5th Republican
    Tancredo (CO) 6th Republican
    Westmoreland (GA) 8th Republican
    source
    •  Sweet! We've now got our list... (4.00)
      ...for next year's DK donations.  Whoever's running against them gets some bread.  And I don't care if it's a lost cause like Tancredo; all the better to make that swine sweat it out and have to do campaigning in his own district rather than go out and help some other Republican.

      This should have been a unanimous vote.  Here's to making '06 as unpleasant as possible for them.

      Googlebomb du jour: Robert Novak, Douchebag for Liberty

      by RakDaddy on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:16:58 PM PDT

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      •  now wouldn't it be interesting to find out (none)
        how much of the GOP pork legislation rolled into their districts during this term?  If some of their constituents can help find out it would be instructive to see what they voted FOR before voting against this aid?
      •  David Harris Now (none)
        David Harris has announced his campaign against Joe Barton.  I live in TX-6, and it is highly unlikely David will have a primary challenger.  Even though there is very little on David's web page, you can donate via paypal now.  More on David and his Paul Hackett resume here, here and here.  

        Full disclosure: I am not an official member of his campaign, but my wife is.  I did not contact her or anyone else in the campaign before posting this message.  I also consider David a friend.  

      •  I am glad to hear that there will be donations (none)
        cause we are really geared up here in the 5th district to take down Foxx.  Have been "interviewing" potential candidates and are ready to rock and roll.
    •  My Favorites Are King and Hostettler (none)
      I mean, it's not like their districts ever recieve federal relief.  I mean, the Missouri and Ohio Rivers never flood, do they?

      The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

      by Dana Houle on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:36:54 PM PDT

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      •  Not likely (in Hostettler's case)... (none)
        The Indiana 8th Congressional District is bordered by the Ohio River, true enough, but the Kentucky shoreline (the south side of the river) is much lower lying than the Indiana shoreline.

        Every time we've had high water, it's been Kentucky that took the brunt of the damage.

    •  King is (none)
      district 5.

      This post is not to be misconstrued as associated with political fundraising or any other campaign activity. This post is general commentary of current events.

      by RichardG on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:44:33 PM PDT

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  •  I'm surprised (none)
    I'm sure I had read that MANY dems opposed this bill because of what it did NOT cover. There were concerns about it's restrictiveness.

    Evidently it came down to a "something's better than nothing" type of support.

    How does one support the troops while betraying the CIA?

    by Heimyankel on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:13:12 PM PDT

  •  I bet they (none)
    all voted for money to be spent to rebuild Iraq.
  •  DId they vote for funding for Iraq? (4.00)
    If they vote the big bucks for Iraq and not for America, it could become a key campaign issue next year.

    John Roberts- You can't book a judge by his cover.

    by digital drano on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:13:23 PM PDT

  •  Hey (none)
    If they don't give them money to recover they will just eventually get lost in the population.

    I can almost hear them now saying providing them with any support will make it worse. Let them be too busy trying to find the next meal so they dont have time to critic us.

  •  Sensenbrenner, Barton AND Tancredo (4.00)
    that's quite the (utterly expected) list.

    It's like the three heads of the cerberus or something. Satan must have given them the day off so they could go vote.

    Ann Arbor is a city, not my name

    by AnnArborBlue on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:13:37 PM PDT

    •  Sensenbrenner and Tancredo (none)
      ...share the dubious distinction, with Lamar Smith of Texas, of being the most hostile members of Congress when it comes to foreign refugees, too.  I suppose it's no great surprise that they show such malevolence toward our own home-grown displaced persons.  

      These cruel bastards cannot for a moment imagine what it is to be forced from your home, life and family - either by war or by natural disaster.

      I fantasize about dropping these three imbeciles in the middle of the most dangerous war zone in the Congo. Let them try to walk out.  Maybe if they are not eaten in the process, they will end up with some sense of what it is to be a refugee.  

      "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" ... Benjamin Franklin

      by ivorybill on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:27:02 PM PDT

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  •  Sorry (none)
    it appears my diary, placed just 5-10 minutes ago, has already slipped off the front page.

    I'd like to call attention to it for everyone. At least visit it and refresh your memory of this story. Please keep it in the back of your heads though, even amongst the more pressing, current stories.

    CIA Leak Probe May Be Nearing End - Heads Up!

    Phillybits A Showcase Of Political News and Thought

    by Stand Strong on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:13:43 PM PDT

  •  Good going posting the team list (none)
    I'd add Rick Santorum for his remarks blaming the victims for not leaving.
  •  I'd love to hear the explanations... (none)
    ..on this one.  Sensenbrenner probably tried to attach a rider that eliminated telephone service to the offices of minority members of Congress.
  •  I'm on the phone with Garrett's office now (none)
    or rather, I'm on hold. I called and asked, "how come Scott Garrett just voted against the aid package for hurricane victims?" the guy's like..."uh, I'm just an intern so I can't answer that." I said, "well could you get someone who could?" Put me on hold...came back and asked for my address.

    I guess I'm going to get a personal hand-signed letter explaining the whole thing...yeah right.

    I will be calling tomorrow morning.

    I don't want to see anybody do any more goddamn press conferences. Put a moratorium on press conferences. - Mayor Ray Nagin

    by missreporter on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:13:51 PM PDT

    •  I have a new thing (none)
      When I call people...the White House, reps, Sens, whatever...I'm asking questions.

      I tried it today. I called Frist's office. Don't want any Frist trolls to identify who I was, so I won't say what I asked about. The first question they ask: "are you a member of the press?" No, you dumbass, I'm a fucking concerned citizen...remember us? We're awake now.

      I called the White House and asked - in a very innocent tone - "how come Scott McClellan keeps saying the same thing over and over in his press conferences?" The guy's like, "I can just take a comment." I say incredulously, "You mean there's NOWHERE for an average citizen to call just to have a question answered???" The poor guy didn't know what to say.

      I don't want to see anybody do any more goddamn press conferences. Put a moratorium on press conferences. - Mayor Ray Nagin

      by missreporter on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:16:46 PM PDT

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    •  Garrett's Dem. opponent responds (4.00)
      Well, that was quick! Just e-mailed his Dem. opponent, Paul Aronsohn, and here's his press release already:

      GARRETT VOTE IS "SHAMEFUL"

      Ridgewood, NJ - The following statement was released today by Paul Aronsohn:

      "Representative Scott Garrett's vote against providing emergency aid to the victims of Hurricane Katrina is nothing less than shameful.  As one of only eleven Members of Congress to vote against the aid package, Garrett has once again allowed his extremist politics to cloud his judgment."

    •  Anyone else (none)
      Anyone else wonder why Garrett's website is trumpeting how great it is that this aid package passed?
    •  asdf (4.00)
      excerpt from my letter to Garret:

      As you know, you have voted to send billions and billions of our tax dollars to Baghdad, but voted against extending that same support to Biloxi. Which of these, in your opinion, is more important to the general welfare and national security of our country?

      You voted to interfere with the private lives of the Schiavo family, but failed to give aid to tens of thousands of families in need. Which of these two problems, in your opinion, is more in need of congressional action to work toward resolution?

      I would like an explanation of your vote, as well as your alternative plan to what should be done to aid the people of the effected regions.

      You're up for reelection next year, are you not?

      Don't know why he voted for aid on the 2nd and not today... but this guy has to go, regardless.

       

  •  Hostettler (none)
    Hostettler is going to get his but kicked in 2006 anyway by Sheriff Brad Ellsworth. This ought to make for a nice campaign ad.
  •  Support your local sheriff (none)
    If you vote against dollars for the war in Iraq, you don't support the troops.

    If you vote against dollars for the relief effort in the path of Katrina, you don't support the people.

    He has oil. He tried to kill my daddy.

    by kensa on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:13:58 PM PDT

  •  If Cheyney were still in Congress (none)
    He would have voted against it too.

    'In order to learn from your mistakes, you have to recognize that you made them.' - Molly Ivins

    by bobinson on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:14:08 PM PDT

  •  Let's see... (none)
    Tancredo is probably upset because the rescue workers are still rescuing immingrants.  Sensenbrenner is the same, except he's still pissed off that every US citizen in N.O. wasn't issued a national ID card with an "eligible for FEMA rescue" sticker on it.  Ron Paul wants to leave the city to its own devices to see if he's right about libertarianism (how many chances will he get?).

    The rest of 'em, I can't explain.

    "Run, comrade, the old world is behind you!" -- Situationist graffito, 1968

    by Pesto on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:15:06 PM PDT

  •  They should be told (none)
    That voting no to that money constitutes an agreement to have survivors of the hurricane..(.and the Bush aftermath) come and live with them...Can't send enough to Iraq... but try and help out those that actually live in this country.

    Throw the bums out...

    "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." -Martin Luther King, Jr. _______ "We will not be silent." -Howard Dean

    by jigsaw68 on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:15:14 PM PDT

  •  RIP (none)
    New plaque that will be hung at City Hall:

    New Orleans

    Founded by Jean Bienville in 1718

    Destroyed by George W. Bush in 2005

    *This was not my original work, I saw this postedon another blog
  •  Hold your horses (none)
    I think that Ron Paul is a true independent. He is anti-abortion, and I'm sure he's against a lot of other things that I like, but I think that he really acts based on what he thinks, not on Bush administration talking points.

    Also: one big issue was that, as of yesterday, no one had seen the text of H.R. 3673, and who knows what the fine print is. Maybe some people who voted against the bill voted against it more because of problems with process than with the idea of helping Louisiana.

    Also also: another scary issue is that it's hard to know how many mammoth disasters are in the pipeline. I think it's valid to wonder whether too much government money has been spent on 9-11 recovery efforts (in one of the hottest real estate markets on earth) and whether the government might have to seriously downplay expectations on Katrina relief. Even if we do, somehow, get out of Iraq, our government is still pretty broke. People have to figure out creative ways to use entrepreneurial energy, the survivors' own labor, private charity, private loans, etc. to finance the recovery.

    •  OK, the text is there (none)
      I don't know enough to know why something about this bill is a menace to life on earth as we know it, but chances are that there is something awful here. (Or maybe the awfulness will come out when the agencies come up regulations to implement this.)

      Second Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act to Meet Immediate Needs Arising From the Consequences of Hurricane Katrina, 2005 (Introduced in House)

      HR 3673 IH

      109th CONGRESS

      1st Session

      H. R. 3673
      Making further emergency supplemental appropriations to meet immediate needs arising from the consequences of Hurricane Katrina, for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2005, and for other purposes.

      IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

      September 7, 2005
      Mr. LEWIS of California introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Appropriations, and in addition to the Committee on the Budget, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned

      --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

      A BILL
      Making further emergency supplemental appropriations to meet immediate needs arising from the consequences of Hurricane Katrina, for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2005, and for other purposes.

      Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That the following sums are appropriated, out of any money in the Treasury not otherwise appropriated, for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2005, namely:

      DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE--MILITARY

      OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE

      Operation and Maintenance, Defense-Wide

      (INCLUDING TRANSFERS OF FUNDS)

      For an additional amount for `Operation and Maintenance, Defense-Wide', $1,400,000,000 for emergency hurricane expenses, to support costs of evacuation, emergency repairs, deployment of personnel, and other costs resulting from immediate relief efforts, to remain available until September 30, 2006: Provided, That the Secretary of Defense may transfer these funds to appropriations for military personnel, operation and maintenance, procurement, family housing, Defense Health Program, and working capital funds: Provided further, That not to exceed $6,000,000 may be transferred to `Armed Forces Retirement Home' for emergency hurricane expenses: Provided further, That funds transferred shall be merged with and be available for the same purposes and for the same time period as the appropriation or fund to which transferred: Provided further, That this transfer authority is in addition to any other transfer authority available to the Department of Defense: Provided further, That upon a determination that all or part of the funds transferred from this appropriation are not necessary for the purposes provided herein, such amounts may be transferred back to this appropriation: Provided further, That the Secretary of Defense shall, not more than 5 days after making transfers from this appropriation, notify the Committees on Appropriations in writing of any such transfer: Provided further, That the amounts provided herein are designated as an emergency requirement pursuant to section 402 of H. Con. Res. 95 (109th Congress).

      DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE--CIVIL

      DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY

      Corps of Engineers--Civil

      Operation and Maintenance

      For an additional amount for `Operation and Maintenance' for emergency expenses for repair of storm damage to authorized projects in the Gulf States affected by Hurricane Katrina, $200,000,000, to remain available until expended: Provided, That the Chief of Engineers, acting through the Assistant Secretary of the Army for Civil Works, shall provide, at a minimum, a weekly report to the Committees on Appropriations detailing the allocation and obligation of these funds, beginning not later than September 15, 2005: Provided further, That the amount provided herein is designated as an emergency requirement pursuant to section 402 of H. Con. Res. 95 (109th Congress).

      Flood Control and Coastal Emergencies

      For an additional amount for `Flood Control and Coastal Emergencies', as authorized by section 5 of the Flood Control Act of August 16, 1941 (33 U.S.C. 701), for emergency expenses for repair of damage to flood control and hurricane shore protection projects in the Gulf States caused by Hurricane Katrina, $200,000,000, to remain available until expended: Provided, That the Chief of Engineers, acting through the Assistant Secretary of the Army for Civil Works, shall provide, at a minimum, a weekly report to the Committees on Appropriations detailing the allocation and obligation of these funds, beginning not later than September 15, 2005: Provided further, That the amount provided herein is designated as an emergency requirement pursuant to section 402 of H. Con. Res. 95 (109th Congress).

      DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY

      EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS AND RESPONSE

      Disaster Relief

      (INCLUDING TRANSFERS OF FUNDS)

      For an additional amount for `Disaster Relief', $50,000,000,000, to remain available until expended: Provided, That up to $100,000,000 may be transferred to and merged with `Emergency Preparedness and Response--Public Health Programs' for the National Disaster Medical System to support medical care as authorized by the Public Health Security and Bioterrorism Preparedness and Response Act of 2002 (42 U.S.C. 300hh-11): Provided further, That $15,000,000 shall be transferred to and merged with `Departmental Management and Operations--Office of Inspector General' for necessary expenses of the Office of Inspector General for audits and investigations as authorized by law for Hurricane Katrina response and recovery activities: Provided further, That the Secretary of Homeland Security shall provide, at a minimum, a weekly report to the Committees on Appropriations detailing the allocation and obligation of these funds, beginning not later than September 15, 2005: Provided further, That the amounts provided herein are designated as an emergency requirement pursuant to section 402 of H. Con. Res. 95 (109th Congress).

      GENERAL PROVISION

      SEC. 101. For procurements of property or services determined by the head of an executive agency to be used in support of Hurricane Katrina rescue and relief operations--

      (1) the emergency procurement authority in subsection 32A(c) of the Office of Federal Procurement Policy Act (41 U.S.C. 428a(c)) may be used; and

      (2) the amount specified in subsections (c), (d), and (f) of section 32 of the Office of Federal Procurement Policy Act (41 U.S.C. 428) shall be $250,000.

      This Act may be cited as the `Second Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act to Meet Immediate Needs Arising From the Consequences of Hurricane Katrina, 2005'.


      •  OK, some of that text does concern me. (none)
        I'm not a lawyer, but....

        That $15,000,000 shall be transferred to and merged with 'Departmental Management and Operations--Office of Inspector General' for necessary expenses of the Office of Inspector General for audits and investigations as authorized by law for Hurricane Katrina response and recovery activities: Provided further, That the Secretary of Homeland Security shall provide, at a minimum, a weekly report to the Committees on Appropriations detailing the allocation and obligation of these funds, beginning not later than September 15, 2005

        So........

        Part of the money is going to pay for Chertoff-with-his-head to give weekly reports?  Yeah........... money REAL well spent there.  Might as well chip in a few extra thousand for him to hold more press conferences too.

        Call me a bit concerned about the allocation of some of the funds.

    •  WHy didn't Kerry (none)
      get that kind of chance to think and rethink nuances over the $89 billion for Iraq?
  •  Not Stunned about Ron Paul (3.66)
    Say what you will, he's pretty consistent on his opposition to any kind of major spending. Paul was one of the Republicans who voted against the Iraq War too.

    That sort of thing is due to happen with Paul, he's basically a Libertarian.

    Oh yeah, Butch Otter is running for Governor of Idaho.

    "Our country right or wrong. When right, to be kept right; when wrong, to be put right" - Carl Schurz

    by RBH on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:15:31 PM PDT

  •  Two of those names (none)
    are old "friends" here. Sensenbrenner, who is chair of the Judiciary Committee, was the guy who tried to intimidate a Federal Appeals Court panel a few months ago, and also was the one (I think) who abruptly shut down a committee hearing when it didn't go as he wanted it to.

    Tancredo is Mr. Let's Nuke Mecca. Enough said.

    Truly, these are the wingiest of the wingnuts.

    -dms

  •  Otter... (4.00)
    And to think that shit head has to balls to do this...

    He is running for Gov. next year here in Idaho. I hope this comes and bites him in the ass.

    Hard.

    •  Then again.. it's Idaho (none)
      where half the people were represented by Congressman Helen Chenoweth for six years.

      "Our country right or wrong. When right, to be kept right; when wrong, to be put right" - Carl Schurz

      by RBH on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:17:21 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Hmm, I wonder in Idaho.... (none)
      ...who is it who pays for those planes to fight the forest fires??
      •  who pays for fire fighting planes in Idaho? (none)
        --it varies.  Some are state, some are fed.  And a lot are in Iraq now anyway.  (Tanker/bombers used to drop retardant & water.)

        You're right to some degree, there's a lot of willful blindness to the largesse Idaho gets from the fed--timber subsidies, mining subsidies, ag subsidies.  The loudest ranters usually are the beneficiaries of some or all of that.  Human nature I guess.  Embarrassing.  Otter I am not making excuses for.

    •  I called (none)
      Otter's office in North Idaho.  Unbelievably, the woman that answered didn't know anything about the bill or his vote.  I even had to give her the HR number, she wasn't aware of it.  She said they would "send me a letter."  
  •  AP has the funny (4.00)
    CNN has a rip-n-post story from the AP where the VP is shouted at by a passer-by:
    While Cheney spoke, a passer-by hurled an expletive at the vice president. "First time I've heard it," Cheney said, when asked if he was hearing a lot of such sentiments.
    and quotes a resident as saying that the VP picked a good spot for his photo-op:
    "I think this media opportunity today is a terrible waste of time and taxpayer money," she said. "They've picked a nice neighborhood where people have insurance and most are Republicans."
    ( I need a :rollin emoticon for times like this )
    •  Wait... (none)
      if they picked a nice, safe, republican area where everybody had insurance, and he STILL got the FU from the citizens, they are REALLY going down...

      Boy, they really do want to repeat Nixon's fate, don't they?

  •  Don't paint all with the same brush (none)
    Clearly voting against hurricane relief is very bad, but let's not give the impression that all these congressmen are in the same troglodyte basket on all issues.

    Ron Paul, for example, is vehemently against the war in Iraq.  His excellent speech against the war, posted on the main of his website, makes a good case for immediate withdrawal from Iraq.

  •  DEFREEP the poll on Barton's page (none)
    Vote NO.

    Let the great world spin for ever down the ringing grooves of change. - Tennyson

    by bumblebums on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:17:27 PM PDT

    •  I don't get it (none)
      why is asking questions bad?

      When all else fails...panic

      by David in Burbank on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:20:25 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Bully Not Question (none)
        First of all, the scientific community does a pretty good job of asking questions about science.  Journal papers go through a pretty rigorous refereeing process.  Sure some crap can get published, but it's at least somewhat rare.  Asking questions about it is seemingly reasonable.

        However, that's not what Joe wants to do.  Here's his letter to Assistant Professor Michael Mann.  Look at his laundry list of requests starting on page 2.  These are not just questions.  This is an audit!  And, it's because Joe Barton doesn't like Dr. Mann's conclusions on climate change.  Worst of all, Mann was untenured, at least at the time of the letter.  I'm an untenured professor, ironically in Barton's district, and if I got this letter, then I would probably piss my pants.  Joe could bully any federal agency funding Mann, which could easily end his career.  

        Science should be questioned, not bullied.

        For those of you interested at taking a swing at Joe Barton, donate to David Harris's campaign.  

        •  From the Letter (none)
          2. List all financial support you have received related to your research, including, but not limited to, all private, state, and federal assistance, grants, contracts (including subgrants or subcontracts), or other financial awards or honoraria.

          Yep we'll approve this as soon as the same standards are applied to the FDA, their research quacks and the drug companies. It's only fair, AND IN THE INTEREST OF PUBLIC HEALTH.

          Hypocrite.

          - Jesus is my Savior, not my Senator.

        •  Based on the Wall Street Journal? (none)
          That's certainly bullying. And it's certainly wrong.  And there is no doubt his intentions are evil.

          Of course now he ought to be requiring the same list from all the other studies he cited disproving the study he didn't like.

          Transparency + Accountability = Honesty (that way we won't have to rely on trust.)

          by David in Burbank on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 03:09:57 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  Done (none)
      Barton is a sack of shit but I had no idea he was this big of a sack of shit. Anything those concrete plants in his district want they get no matter what.

      Mr. Big Iraqi war backer, why do you care more about Iraqis than Americans?

  •  I guess (none)
    they are ready to retire from congress, because if they don't lose their seats because this vote it won't say much about the opposition. If were running against them, I'd go out and find as many women named Katrina and make them visible parts of my campaign, so you would hear the name Katrina all over the place. What a bunch of hateful idiots.

    "The ultimate measure of a person is not where they stand in times of comfort and convenience but where they stand in times of challenge" - MLK

    by rickpolitic on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:17:30 PM PDT

  •  I Wonder How Minutemen Backing Tancredo (none)
    Likes this:

    Mexican Troops Enter U.S. to Bring Aid

    The unarmed soldiers, physicians, nurses and dentists aboard the convoy wore green uniforms with yellow armbands that said ``Humanitarian Aid'' in Spanish.
    [...]
    The convoy includes two mobile kitchens that can feed 7,000 people a day, three flatbed trucks carrying mobile water treatment plants and 15 trailers of bottled water, blankets and applesauce.

    9/11 + 4 Years = Katrina... Conservatism Kills.

    by NewDirection on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:17:37 PM PDT

    •  !Que bueno! (none)
      !Viva Mexico!

      Not that we deserve their help, the way we alternately exploit and harass their populace. By rights, they could have sat this one out. But no, they came here to help anyway. !Muchas gracias, Mexicanos!

      Spread the memes: USA is a Failed State. We have no President.

      by MamasGun on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 03:50:11 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  What a disgrace (none)
    I bet they voted for the war money and then voted against helping people pick up their lives.  America, please take notes and vote accordingly when these people come up for re-election.  It is un-American to vote against helping people.

    According to the 9/11 Commission there was no connection between 9/11 and Iraq.

    by txbirdman on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:18:07 PM PDT

  •  Control room v. Superdome (none)
    "It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback, but you should have been in that Superdome where those people were making life and death decisions, people that stayed up and got no sleep and very little food for five to six days straight trying to make the right decisions to save people...it's a phenomenal accomplishment that everybody survived. It's unbelievable. I am constantly struck by where we are today, just a little over a week later."

    Isn't this the speech you should have given?

  •  fucking hypocrites (4.00)
    if I could spit on them, I would.

    From Foxx:

    My thoughts and prayers are with those who suffered through Hurricane Katrina and are continuing to suffer through its aftermath.  I especially pray for those who have lost loved ones and hope they can find some comfort in this time of distress....It is my hope that my constituents will join me in making a contribution to a charitable organization.  The people affected by this storm desperately need our help right away.  A donation to the American Red Cross, the Salvation Army, or other charitable groups will help provide the resources necessary for these people to survive."

    From Westmoreland's excuse:

    According to the Office of Management and Budget, we are spending money at a rate of $2 billion a day, and yet we in the Congress do not have many details at all on how that money is being spent.

    I strongly support continued government funding of relief work in the affected areas, but the legislation we are considering is sorely lacking in effective accountability. The legislation allocates funds to federal agencies with barely any explanation, except for one thing we know -- that not a dime of the $51.8 billion will be spent on reconstruction in the affected areas. The funding is only for immediate response over and above the $10 billion we are already spending. This legislation holds no one responsible, and I cannot in good conscience allow such a tremendous amount of taxpayer's money to be spent without holding someone accountable for its disbursement. [good god, the irony!!!]  The legislation does provide for the inspector general to oversee the funding, but even that is after-the-fact as the money is being spent.

    The more than $60 billion Congress will have allocated after this legislation passes is enough to give every family of four affected by the hurricane a cash payment of $120,000, and yet none of that $60 billion will be spent to actually rebuild anything in New Orleans, Mississippi, or Alabama....We do not need more knee-jerk reactions of spending money to fix problems....

    I have personally donated to the Red Cross and Salvation Army, as has my staff, and I will continue to support relief efforts.

    Did you donate 50 billion, fuckwad?

    •  Page out of Bush's book (none)
      Yes, let's not have any knee jerk reactions.  Let's wait and see if it's 10,000 or 20,000 bodies under the muck before we do anything.
    •  One wonders... (none)
      was Westmoreland equally concerned about money for Iraq/Halliburton?
    •  What they did vote for (none)
      An act making Emergency Supplemental Appropriations for Defense, the Global War on Terror, and Tsunami Relief, for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2005, and for other purposes. (roll call)

      The famous $87 billion supplemental for Iraq, which was rushed to the floor.  (roll call).  Tancredo and Paul voted against it, but Sensenbrenner voted for it.  Westmoreland and Foxx may not have been elected to Congress yet.

    •  Careful Georgia (none)
      Spitting on a member of Congress now carries life in prison, a little known clause of the patriot Act.

      When i was convicted for it in 1976, it was a misdemeanor carrying a maximum year.

      No-one who voted against the USAPATRIOT Act has lost an election. I am not currently Licensed to Practice in this State. Or Yours.

      by ben masel on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 08:23:34 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Is Delay still having his fundraiser (none)
    on the 16 of September with guest of honor Big Swinging Dick "Go Fuck yourself" Cheney?

    I'm not going anywhere. I'm standing up, which is how one speaks in opposition in a civilized world. - Ainsley Hayes

    by jillian on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:19:34 PM PDT

  •  Anyone want to set up an Act Blue site... (none)
    I know that Act Blue sites can be set up where the money raised goes to a general fund that will go to any Dem who ends up challenging a particular Republican. This is the format for one Act Blue site I have been pushing that targets the ten Republican seats that the REPUBLICANS thing are most vulnerable. But I don't know the mechanics of it and, besides, I am not one of those Kossacks who can put up a fundraising site and have anyone go to it.

    Can any of the big blogger guns set up an Act Blue site that can raise money for a general fund to defeat the 11 Cold Hearted Republicans who voted "no" on Katrina aid? I know I would donate and publicize that site. Anyone who has real clout around here want to step up?

  •  Upped the spending limit? (none)
    Didn't Josh Marshall report that someone had slipped a poison pill into the bill where federal employees had the spending limit raised on their procurement cards from $15,000 to $250,000?  
    Golly-gee!  How many paperclips and personal HP printers can you buy for the office?  
    To be honest, I'd want an accounting of where all of my hardearned tax dollars to DHS were spent on.  Sure, let's give them $52 million but would the person who absconded with the $40-50 million dollars per year at DHS return the money please?  It appears that it was not well spent.  
    If my father were alive, I'd have to account for every penny of my allowance on Saturday morning but Bush just sorta says, "Hey, didja have fun last night?  Great!  Yah, need some pocket money?"

    "Choose something like a star to stay your mind on- and be staid"

    by goldberry on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:20:45 PM PDT

  •  $10B has already been spent (none)
    Where did it go?  I hope to the victims and not to juicy contracts.

    Stop Corporate Influence; buy DEMOCRACY BONDS!!! http://www.democrats.org/democracybonds.html

    by timber on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:20:59 PM PDT

    •  Total tab 150 billion or more (none)
      Heard it discussed on Air America - don't know the guest's creds because I came in to the show late. Guest said he was worried that Bush is putting requests in drips and drabs like he did with Iraq war because he's going to fund it the same way.  Al understood that remark, but truthfully I did not.

      "Bush should've hired Fed-Ex. They know when it has to be there overnight."

      by MissAnneThrope on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:52:44 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Remember the famous 87 billion? (none)
        That was a supplemental spending bill for Iraq.  It's easier to get congress to, say, vote for 20 billion ten times than to vote for 200 billion one time.  That's what he means.
    •  I'm skeptical (none)
      Frist mentioned the 10 Billion was already "drained" and he seemed quite pleased with that, as though it was a very good thing it'll all be gone by midnight tonight.

      But he didn't mention where it went or who drained it.

      [America]Are you being sinister or is this some form of practical joke?

      by hstokes on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:58:04 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  There's a "control room"? (none)
    Like, where? Because, someone needs to find it and tell them and Tom Delay about "take-out Chinese food." Also, "pizza delivery."

    It will rock their world.

  •  A dig at Broussard? (none)
    You didn't take care of my aides there.

    Fucker.

  •  When your very best... (none)
    "it's a phenomenal accomplishment by everybody involved."

    When your very best just isn't good enough...

  •  Woo-hoo! Just converted Mom with this news! (4.00)
    FoxNews-lovin' parents live in NJ's 5th District; Garrett's their Rep., and she's voted for him every time. I got her so worked up over this that I've got her half-committed to working on Garrett's opponent Anne Wolfe's campaign. One brainwashed voter at a time, we will take over...

    The public wants what the public gets, but I don't get what this society wants -- Paul Weller

    by jamfan on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:22:33 PM PDT

  •  Did they end up debating the bill? (none)
    My impression from yesterday/ this morning was that nobody was going to be able to even READ the bill before the vote.  I won't dis anyone for refusing to vote for something they're not allowed to even read.  But then, I don't yet know these details.  It may not have happened that way.
    •  No Amendments; Little Debate (none)
      The bill was brought to the House floor under a rule that did not permit any amendments.  

      Debate was limited.  Most of the debate amounted to statements in support of the bill.  Congressman Obey (D-WI), who is the ranking Democratic member of the House Appropriations Committee, complained bitterly about the inability of the minority to propose any changes to the legislation and said he would not provide additional waivers of House Rules for any further supplemental budget requests during the current term.

  •  Can someone please... (none)
    .. do a check of, say, the transportation bill to see if there's any pork in their districts?

    Thank you.

    Spin never saved a life.

    by socratic on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:22:55 PM PDT

    •  Tom DeLay and I-69 (none)
      In the book about DeLay entitled "The Hammer," the authors mentioned that he went to bat for Houston businessmen who want to extend I-69 (which currently runs from the Michigan-Ontario border to Indianapolis) all the way to the Mexican border.

      Can you say, "the other white meat"?

  •  Well of course! (none)
    Gosh! $2,000 for each household? What kind of government giveaway is that?

    Why, that's coming perilously close to a government handout, young man!

    Socialism, that is!  Who do they think we are?  Sweden? Norway?

    Unconscionable!  Just when we thought we'd killed the idea of a social safety net, along comes Katrina and all of a sudden, the most conservative President in memory jumps all over the idea of government handouts, just to get himself out of a fix!

    What is the world coming to??????!!!!!

    •  Babs is probably drooling................ (none)
      Her beautiful mind should get in touch with her ugly mouth.

      She's probably drooling and I can hear her say.  "MOre money than they've had in a lifetime.  And my georgie gave it to them."

  •  Dear old Stevie (none)
    I've warned fellow Iowans about that wingnut Stevie King, he's about as far to the right as they come and apparently he's gunning for Tom Harkin's Senate seat in 08! Ha! if Harkin runs again King will be defeated, however if Harkin doesn't run we could be in trouble here in Iowa because the religious right is starting to run the GOP out here and King is their boy, thus they will donate money hand over fist for him. I was somewhat suprised to see John "go ahead bring a rifle to the airport" was on the list, not because he isn't far out of the mainstream IMO, but he will be getting a stiff challenge most likely from Ellsworth, who I think has been raising some good funds in a somewhat swingy-district.  

    "Compassion is not weakness, and concern for the unfortunate is not socialism"-Hubert H. Humphrey

    by YoungIADem on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:23:16 PM PDT

  •  Dickensian (none)
    Charles Dickens saw this very situation quite clearly in his novel, Oliver Twist.  The charity orphanages that he ravaged in his book were, at the time, held up in society as models of humanist care and concern.  The rage that wells up in the staff when little Oliver dares to ask for more comes from their arrogant pride being challenged.

    Our own Oliver Twist moment is coming... (probably somewhere about mid-October) ...when the puffed-up "compassionate conservatives" get tired of being compassionate.  It could come even sooner with most of America and the world yelling at them and refusing to join in with their self-administered backpats.

  •  Sleepwalking Congresswomen... (none)
    Being from NC, I was appalled to read this statement Congresswoman Foxx put out...

    http://www.foxx.house.gov/index.cfm?ContentID=280&ParentID=3&SectionID=4&SectionTree=3,4 &lnk=b&ItemID=276

    I've heard sleepwalkers can engage in complex tasks of which they maintain no memory. Is Foxx actually voting somnambulistically? It seems the only explanation!

    •  All I can say is... (none)
      Thank God.  This should make it even easier to oust this right-wing wacko!

      We are now 6-7 Dem-Rep.
      Oust Hayes for being crooked,
      Coble for being crooked,
      Foxx for being an insensitive lunatic..

      We are at 9-4

      "One man with courage makes a majority." -Andrew Jackson

      CountryCrats

      by chuckles1 on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 03:41:01 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Blame the Sun (none)
    Seems the next excuse for the bad resuce response is solar flares

    "This event created a complete blackout of high frequency communications on the daylit side of Earth, which included the entire U.S. and basically anywhere the sun was shinning at this time," said Combs. "Communications used by emergency services along the Gulf Coast may have experienced problems due to this flare. Low frequency navigation systems may also have experienced a period of significant degradation," he added.

    Nevermind it happened on Wednesday.

    When all else fails...panic

    by David in Burbank on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:25:28 PM PDT

    •  Oh hogwash! (none)
      These people are unbelievable! I thought they believed in intelligent design. Doesn't our Dear Leader only have to ask God for guidance? What happened George God pulled the plug on you?

      A Conservative government is an organized hypocrisy- Benjamin Disraeli

      by vcmvo2 on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:44:23 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  F. James Sensenbrenner (none)
    What a name, what a guy.....  I think we should give Dick Cheney the same first initial, has a nice ring to it....F. Dick Cheney.  Yep.  And F. George Bush as well.  It can be like a club.

    Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. Margaret Mead

    by jenhoward on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:25:36 PM PDT

  •  Hey, hold on. (4.00)
    It's not fair to call someone part of "Team Hate America" or "a horribe human being" just because you disagree with them on a vote.

    And, anyways, how can you say someone like Ron Paul of Texas is a horrible human being? He's one of the most independent, intelligent, and anti-Bush congressman in the House -- he's more critical of Bush and the GOP than half of the Democratic caucus. And he doesn't criticize them in a nice way. He's forceful about it.

    And there are legitimate reasons why someone would oppose this bill. Perhaps they thought 51 billion was too much and should be brought down in light of our excessive deficits. Or maybe the way the money was going to be doled out was unfair.

    Russ Feingold for President!

    by Basil on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:25:40 PM PDT

    •  and maybe (none)
      voting with the sleaziest of the sleazy republicans should tell you something about the bill and reasons for its opposition.
      •  Ron Paul is a Libertarian (none)
        He has a (R) by his name, but he's really a Libertarian-he even ran for president as the Libertarian canidate in 1988.  Obviously, a true Libertarian like Paul will vote against a $51 billion dollar spending bill-for anything.

        Being a true Libertarian also means he has always been against things like the Patriot Act and the Iraq war as well.

    •  Paul is special, others may have their reasons (none)
      1. Ron Paul is a principaled liberitarian and though I differ from him on many issues he never struck me a an American Hater and I respect his willingness to stand for his beliefs.

      2. Since the bill was certainly going to pass, voting against it was not going to stop the money, and the others, as I understand it, tended to want to tune it and pay for it rather than blindly pass it and put the burden on our children. -- Thus I agree, this vote was not necessarly a HATE AMERICA vote, but an attempt to express an unwillingness to  be forced to vote for a knee jerk reaction.

      3. Those of us who considered the earlier vote on the Iraq war thought the same thing -- There was not possibility that the 87B would not pass, and Kerry supported it, but also wanted to pay for it and have it properly supervised.

      So: It is interesting to know who voted against this funding, but if we are to have reasonable discussion and decision lets leave off the "America Hater" lables...
  •  Westmoreland's statement includes this (none)
    "The $51.8 billion we are about to spend is nearly three times the entire annual state budget of my home state of Georgia, the ninth-largest state in the country with a population of 8.8 million people, and will be spent in about five weeks from what we are being told. According to the Office of Management and Budget, we are spending money at a rate of $2 billion a day"

    "one thing we know -- that not a dime of the $51.8 billion will be spent on reconstruction in the affected areas. The funding is only for immediate response over and above the $10 billion we are already spending".

    "This legislation holds no one responsible, and I cannot in good conscience allow such a tremendous amount of taxpayer's money to be spent without holding someone accountable for its disbursement".

    "The more than $60 billion Congress will have allocated after this legislation passes is enough to give every family of four affected by the hurricane a cash payment of $120,000, and yet none of that $60 billion will be spent to actually rebuild anything in New Orleans, Mississippi, or Alabama".

  •  Obviously, the Congressman from Cluelessland... (none)
    ...is confusing the monumental effort by the city of Houston, the churches of the community, and the efforts of indiviudals to adequately house and provide aid to the refugees with that of FEMA.

    He's really gotta stop abusing the language, his powers of perception, and perhaps those meds.

    "Nothing is as difficult as not deceiving oneself" - Ludwing Wittgenstein

    by Palamedes on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:26:18 PM PDT

  •  When does the Senate vote? (none)
    I was hoping Russ Feingold would add an Inspector General amendment for Katrina aid money so 40% of this money doesn't dissappear for other purposes like the Iraq funding. If Congress is left to do oversight you may as well just transfer $10 billion to the RNC.

    Please Senate Dems introduce some watchdog provisions for this money! I think Frist is on now saying "no amendments" will be allowed. Is that possible in the Senate? WTF?

    "A whole lotta HOOAH and not enough DO-AH." - Lt. Gen. Russel Honore

    by joejoejoe on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:28:07 PM PDT

    •  They're debating it on the floor right now (none)
      I don't know when the vote will be called. I guess in about an hour or so. So far, Sen Byrd finished his speech with tears.

      Now Trent Lott is talking.

      [America]Are you being sinister or is this some form of practical joke?

      by hstokes on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 03:04:59 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Tancredo, the "Bomb Mecca" guy? (none)
    I fear he found out about a cheaper solution for New Orleans...

    That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it

    by vanguardia on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:28:18 PM PDT

  •  Monday morning quarterbacking? (none)
    If Bush would have actually quarterbacked instead of Delayed on the Monday Katrina hit, then there would be some there there for DeLay.  Unfortunately, for DeLay, Friday was well beyond game day, so Bush's cakewalk with McCain on the day Katrina hit is the only cakewalk Bush should get in this whole mess.
  •  Ron Paul's not a surprise. (4.00)
    He votes against every spending bill. He's also barely a Republican, given how often he votes in opposition to the administration.

    The guy's a libertarian through and through, and has a consistent voting record that fits that philosophy.

    Lumping him together with the rest of them isn't entirely fair, since he'd vote against any spending bill that wasn't defense-related. This is totally in line with his past actions.

    The rest of them, on the other hand, are assholes.

    •  just because he's a libertarian (4.00)
      doesn't mean that he's an asshole?  if his political philosophy leads him to vote against aid for refugees during one of this country's greatest national disasters, i don't see how he has any business being in national office, favorable votes on other issues notwithstanding.
      •  I understand what you're saying (none)
        And in many ways I agree. I have some libertarian views, but I also have a conscience, so I couldn't be as harsh as he is.

        However, the fact is that Ron Paul will always vote against any spending bill, no matter what it is, if it's for anything other than defense, since he sees defense as the only purpose for government.

        His constituents know this, and they vote for him anyways. In fact, when he ran in 1996, he won without the support of the local Repbulican party, who had backed his opponent.

        The GOP pols don't like him much. Heck, they call him "Dr. No" because of all his votes against bills. But his constituents like him, and they know what he stands for, which is why he's in office at all.

  •  Flame me if you will but I'm (4.00)
    having a problem with this.

    1. Tom DeLay likes this idea?

    2. Read item one again.

    3. Instead of hating the nays wouldn't we be better served to ask a question? The question is why?

    4. Another thing, Harry Reid was having a very vocal problem with this bill, so do we hate him to? I don't think so.

    5. One more thing, I know everyone on Kos believes the USA is loaded with money but can you tell me where it is?
  •  Scott Garrett - NJ? (none)
    I don't know anything about Garrett, but I have to admit, I was curious that anyone from NJ would vote against the thing.

    Anyway, looking at his website, I found two things interesting.  

    First, it doesn't mention the Republican party anywhere.  Doesn't seem very proud of his team.

    Second, the first item on the site is a news story regarding the Sept. 2 disaster aid package:

    Washington,  Sep 2 -  The House of Representatives today approved $10.5 billion in immediate aid to the areas of the Gulf Coast devastated by Hurricane Katrina by voice vote.

    "The thoughts and prayers of my family and I are with those along the Gulf Coast recovering from Hurricane Katrina," said Congressman Scott Garrett. "It is comforting to know that Americans from across the country will be joining together in assisting the victims of the hurricane. It is this sprit of caring by individual citizens that helps keep America so resilient and strong." 
     
    Congress today passed $10.5 billion in supplemental funding for the affected area. This will be only the beginning of federal aid to the area.
     
    "We in Congress have already begun the process by passing an emergency relief package to bring needed money and resources to the victims of this disaster. I join with the President in calling for all citizens to help out, in whatever way they can, and encourage everyone to conserve our energy resources during this difficult time," Garrett said.

    Garrett doesn't seem too opposed to the idea of aid in principle.  If anyone hears more, I'd be curious to know what is up.

    •  Garrett (none)
      Garrett is my rep-
      His district used to be Marge Rockuma- who was actually pretty good-(social liberal- fiscally conservative) it has been going 70% republican as long as I've been voting-
      They don't even run democratic candidates 1/2 the time for local offices-
      It's Ridgewood & Sussex Counties-Ridgewood rich-Sussex counties hicks- (I'm a hick)(I've lived here most of my life & have family in the area for generations) Most in the county are are not loonies
      Like Garrett but it's a pretty safe seat.  There are more liberal's moving in-
      •  complain about Garrett (none)
        http://www.njherald.com/contact/contact_us.php

        The local paper in Sussex County where the Mr. Garrett resides-

      •  I'm from NJ-5 too... (none)
        ... and I used to volunteer for Roukema in the primaries just so there wouldn't be a chance of someone like Garrett.  I left for Washington/college before Roukema retired but in my visits home during election season I never saw much presence in Sussex County.  I guess they give up the area for lost.  

        But is it really that far gone?  I remember when Howard Burrell was elected Sussex County freeholder, although the joke was that it wasn't surprising that we'd elected an African American, it was surprising that we'd elected a democrat.

        I just hate to think of my hometown represented by a callous jerk like Garrett.

  •  Fuck You, Mr. Delay. (none)
    Fuck You.

    But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg.

    by calipygian on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:32:58 PM PDT

  •  Does anyone know the REASONS these assholes (none)
    gave for their "NO" votes?  

    We need their quotes to show the "compassion" these Rethugs have for their fellow man.  

    The Moral Majority is neither.

    by Barbara H on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:36:47 PM PDT

  •  And what about the 12 that didnt vote? (none)
    Does anybody know why these 12 didnt vote?

    Baker
    Berkley
    Brady (TX)
    Butterfield
    Conaway
    Everett
    Maloney
    McCrery
    Olver
    Sanchez, Loretta
    Taylor (MS)
    Young (AK)

    •  Some can be explained (none)
      Baker (R-Baton Rouge) and McCrery (R-Shreveport) are from Louisiana and Gene Taylor (D-Bay St. Louis) (whose house was destroyed) is from Mississippi, so perhaps they are back in their districts right now (although McCrery's district wasn't affected directly by the storm).
      •  Gene Taylor (none)
        is a GREAT American.

        The defense of a country never hinges on tanks or ships, but on the will of its people to die rather than not breathe freely.

        by Ralph on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 03:05:41 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Not that great (none)
          He not only voted for the Federal Marriage Amendment, he's a CO-SPONSOR. How nice that he doesn't care if gays have legal benefits.
          •  Survivorship (none)
            ...and, of course, same-sex partners in those states are ineligible for federal survivorship benefits in the wake of Katrina, too.

            I'm afraid that there are going to be a lot of very sad concrete examples of just why marriage equality is important coming out of New Orleans and the rest of the Gulf Coast in the coming months.

            I hope that at the very least, stories of children torn away from their surviving parent to go live with distant relatives, or losing their fully insured home because the insurance money went to the disapproving family of their non-biological parent, will help open the eyes of people who had never really stopped to consider the real-world ramifications of the issue.

    •  Not voting (none)
      Probably having fundraisers and not present.

      Young should donate all the pork he got for 2 highways in Alaska.  Great gift from state of Alaska.

  •  Have they given reasons? (none)
    What are Virginia Foxx's reasons? I have to admit she fascinates me, as many of NC's Republican Congresspeople fascinate me, because they're all so fucked in the head and say such odd things.

    Her district is probably one that would applaud her for the vote. I get the sense they would think most of the victims deserved what they got.

    •  I know plenty of progressives from Boone (none)
      that would beg to differ with you on that, but it's a big district with plenty of whackos, too.

      Regardless, this is impossible to justify, and we all need to bomb our papers in North Carolina with letters to the editor expressing our outrage.

  •  I don't know their motives (none)
    But the more I hear about this bill the less I like it.

    Would I support $50 in aid and reconstruction?  Sure, but if this bill doesn't do that then I'm glad someone voted against it.  How many times will the Democrats support the GOP raiding the treasury before we put our feet down?  Before we learn to explain to the American people that there is no oversight.

    Hell, if there was EVER a time that Democrats could look the public in the eye and convince them that the GOP cannot be trusted not to screw up, this is the time.

    •  Vote or Die (none)
      ...as P. Diddy would say.  

      When people are literally dying every day, you don't have time to hold back the money.  You can have all the oversight and accountability in the coming weeks and months but the people who are actually going to pump the water out of NOLA and the ones who are plucking survivors off roofs and those who are distributing medicine to survivors are not Democrats or Republicans.  Their disphit bosses may be Republicans, but we can't do much about that until November 2006.

      •  Um, yes you do (none)
        People aren't dying because there isn't enough money.  They are dying because of incompetent leadership.

        A $10.5B bill was already passed.  We aren't talking about an immediate funding shortfall.  Furthermore, if the bill fails today, you can pass a better one tomorrow or next week.

        I am sick and tired of Democrats settling for SHIT, okay?  No, the Democrats do not have to wait until 2006.  They can make a stink NOW.  

        Do you really believe that if the Democrats refuse to support a pork-laden $50B spending bill, with no oversight provisions, that they have not been allowed to read the American people are going to punish them for it?  

        What are you afraid of?  That the Republicans will call Democrats bad names?  Have you seen the poll numbers?  People are pissed off.  They do not trust Bush.  Do you think that the GOP has some fucking magic potion that will hypnotize the public into believing that Democrats are not concerned about helping the less fortunate?  Please.  The GOP needs this bill, not the Democrats.  If it sucks, the Dems should oppose it. Period.

        •  We are talking about an immediate shortfall (none)
          That 10.5 Billion is gone. By midnight tonight, according to Frist, the coffers will be empty. Now, I don't know where that 10.5 billion went, but I'd sure like to. In the meantime though, the people who are homeless, penniless, and are currently refugees in their own country probably don't really care. They just know they need help.

          Reid will be speaking before the votein the Senate. I'll be very interested in hearing his opinion on this supplemental.

          [America]Are you being sinister or is this some form of practical joke?

          by hstokes on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 03:17:09 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  I'll bet 9.5 billion went to Halliburton (none)
            :-(
          •  Really? (none)
            That 10.5 Billion is gone. By midnight tonight, according to Frist, the coffers will be empty.

            Why don't I believe that?  Now, remember, a considerable amount of the relief effort has to do with sunk costs, like the salaries of military personnel and stored relief supplies, or donated supplies and help.

            Now, with a disaster of this magnitude there is no question that the relief effort will be extremely expensive.  But do I believe that the government has spent over $10.5 Billion in week?  No.  Do I believe that if this bill was not passed the relief effort would be immediately compromised?  No.

            Do I believe that the GOP is fabricating an immediate demand to ram through a bill that nobody can read or amend?  Yes.  Do I believe that the Dems are stupid enough to fall for it (again)?  Yes.

  •  Unbelievable (none)
    With the exception of Ron Paul they all voted for the Iraq debacle that is draining us of blood & treasure. Now I have reservations about giving Bush and Chertoff any more money. But these people deperately need help. Better to grant the authority & then set up an oversight committee to closely watch how the money is spent! I want to make sure this gets to the people & not the pockets of Bush's cronies. But voting against it what a bunch of creeps!

    A Conservative government is an organized hypocrisy- Benjamin Disraeli

    by vcmvo2 on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:41:02 PM PDT

    •  Foxx, Westmoreland and Garret were not (none)
      in Congress at the time of the Iraq vote. But they do support it.

      I'm amazed NJ voters support someone as far right as Garrett. The female Republican who had that seat before him was moderate.

      •  And you'd have to think that NJ (none)
        was very affected by 9/11, if anyone had voted against that funding it would be political suicide!

        A Conservative government is an organized hypocrisy- Benjamin Disraeli

        by vcmvo2 on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 04:32:43 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Not just New Jersey as a whole... (none)
          ... but Garrett's district, NJ-5, in particular.  Sussex County, at least, is a bedroom region for New York City, although it's a fair drive away.

          Still, they're pretty damn conservative down there.

  •  Maybe a few of these folks wanted to ask questions (none)
    ... for a day before shoveling $50 billion into the pockets of Cheney's pals.

    And I don't blame those who want to ask those tough questions.  As Robert Byrd pointed out before the Iraq War Resolution vote, Senators were tripping all over themselves to seem "tough on terrorism" and vote for the Resolution without the administartion answering even the most basic of questions such as:

    • How long will we be in Iraq?

    • What is our exit startegy?

    • What is likely to happen after we get to Baghdad?

    And more...

    Watch where the money goes on this one.  This rush to send money will likely prove to be a boon for Cheney's buddies without any guarantee as to the quality or amount of work done.  (See: The rebuilding of Iraq and Afghanistan).

    I don't blame some of these folks (like Ron Paul, for example) who are not comfortable giving the green light to $50 billion worth of graft to Bush/Cheney cronies.

    Pretzels for the Preznit! Send a bag of your favorite pretzels to the President and tell him to eat a giant handful all at once!

    by Bob Johnson on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:43:17 PM PDT

    •  Doubt it (none)
      You're contending that hard-core Republicans would resist giving their leader more money? Really? I could buy that logic if it were more moderate Republicans, or even Democrats, but why on earth would hard-core Republicans even care about the answers to your questions? Why wouldn't Repubs want to give money to Cheney's pals? Aren't they Cheney's pals?

      If you want to make excuses for Ron Paul (and everybody here seems to be falling all over themselves to do that) then ok, I can see it. But trying to give "reasonable" motives to people who have been anything but for the past five years...well...I don't see it.

      [America]Are you being sinister or is this some form of practical joke?

      by hstokes on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 03:27:05 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  We'll see. (none)
        I don't know all of these congressmen.  Some of them are documented assholes.

        If they're Cheney's pals (as you claim) then why wouldn't they vote FOR it?

        I'm not cutting these guys any slack.  I'm merely stating that perhaps some of them may have actually wanted to know what they were voting on before they voted.

        Pretzels for the Preznit! Send a bag of your favorite pretzels to the President and tell him to eat a giant handful all at once!

        by Bob Johnson on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 03:34:00 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  What is their voting record on Iraq funding? (none)
    Campaign commercial:

    Republican X voted to spend billions in Iraq, but not one penny on Americans devastated by hurricane Katrina.

    'nuff said.

    Sponge Bob, Mandrake, Cartoons. That's how your hard-core islamahomocommienazis work.

    by Benito on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:55:01 PM PDT

  •  Virgina Foxx (none)
    I, for one, just called her office and told the staffer that answered "I am sickened that she voted against aid to these people. She should resign immediately and go home in shame!"

    He said he would pass my message on to her.

    Sick bitch.

    •  I called, too... (none)
      She represents me in Congress, so I called as a constituent and asked to speak with someone who could explain her vote to me.  The young woman who answered the phone told me that the person who could talk to me about that was gove for the day but that they'd call me back tomorrow.

      I'll post here again if I get a call with a verbatim transcript of the conversation.  Should be a doozy.

  •  Scary Steven King (none)
    He's such an anti-gay fanatic he probably voted against it because it was God's punishment for New Orleans large gay population who we should let starve.

    He makes me ashamed to be from Iowa, but at the same time proud to be from Central/Eastern Iowa and not Western.

    Check out my lte archive at http://www.livejournal.com/users/tomletters and feel free to use my ideas for your own lte's.

    by DemDachshund on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 02:57:18 PM PDT

    •  Lets DUMP Western Iowa. (none)
      Give it to Nebraska so we can have a nice blue state. Everthing 50 miles west of I-35. The rat bastards like King,Rants and the slime ball Vanderplaats are from there. If we only could get RINO Leach to switch, he would quit some of the economic votes he gives to the GOP.

      A Macho Liberal Iowa Citian! GO HAWKS!

      ... and when they came for the liberals, there was no one to stand up for me.

      by UndercoverRxer on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 06:54:19 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Why Sensenbrenner voted no (none)
    No details yet on whether Sensenbrenner explained his vote -- although it is hard to imagine what explanation would be acceptable. Maybe he wants to save some of that money for tax cuts for multi-millionaires like himself.

    He'll more likely come up with some legal mumbo-jumbo and voodoo economics rather than say he just doesn't give a damn about poor people.

    (He could just say it: "The poor are depressing to be around, and they don't dress nicely. Some of those evacuees don't even smell very good. And it is hard to carry on any kind of intellectual conversation with most of them. They don't even know what I mean when I say bootstraps.")

    --from The Xoff Files

  •  What, no Hastert? (none)
    After publicly questioning the wisdom of rebuilding New Orleans, he didn't oppose the bill? I wonder if our collective moral outrage actually affects Rethugs after all.

    Thwarting the forces of conservatism since 1978.

    by wiscmass on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 03:01:09 PM PDT

  •  Tom Tancredo (none)
    is NOT a "horrible human being."  He's not a human being.

    The defense of a country never hinges on tanks or ships, but on the will of its people to die rather than not breathe freely.

    by Ralph on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 03:04:39 PM PDT

  •  I'd vote against it too (none)
    We have $11 billion allocated already.  We can afford to wait a few days to pick through the bill and see where the money is going.  That's a phenomenal amount - on the scale of what's really needed to fix NO.  On such short notice, it will necessarily miss a lot and you know it's stuffed full of the most outrageous pork and no-bid contracts for Bush's contributors.
  •  www.TruthAboutKatrina.com (none)
    A new website, www.TruthAboutKatrina.com, has comprehensive, updated information about the federal government's failed response.  This is designed to be a resource for progressive organizations and activists - check it out!
  •  BBC World News (just now) (none)
    On satellite, no telling when it airs elsewhere.  Opens with:

    "Americans will go to great lengths throughout the world to recover the remains of their countrymen.  So why won't they pick up -- him?"

    Visual:  view from a helicopter of a man's face down corpse on an exterior concrete surface.

    What follows is a long sequence of interviews of everyone the reporters can find (cops, National Guard, etc.) about whether they're going to do it; or if they know who is to do it.  With, no one, apparently, dealing with it.  Not yet.

    Long (and somewhat ghoulish) piece about the fate of the corpses.

  •  At least Ron Paul is consistant (none)
    He is a true Libertarian.  He votes against all goverment spending-no way he would vote for $51 billion dollars in government spending.  Flake is considered by some to be "Ron Paul Jr.", but he is nowhere near as consistant.

    Keep in mind being a true Libertarian is not all bad.  Paul voted against the Patriot Act and the Iraq war, and was a sponsor of the bill requesting the timeline to pull out.  He voted against a measure to investigate "Grand Theft Auto".  I could go on, but lately, he has been on our side more often than not-except on all spending bills.

  •  Where is the money (none)
    coming from?

    It's not that there is a big pile of cash in the Treasury, or a budget surplus.

    Is the debt going up?  Was something else cut?  Food stamps?  Aircraft carriers?  If you don't know what was in the bill, you might wonder.

  •  Posting this here so you folks can get pissed too. (none)
    Another Limaugh fan.  Here is that she said.  "I consider Limbaugh to be exactly what he claims to be first and foremost an entertainer.   He never claims to be anything more then that.  Not a journalist, a reporter or politician.   He just happens to be from the conservative right and extremely popular.
  •  I suggest all these people.... (none)
    (and I use that term loosely) spend a week locked in a building with no food, water, electricity, toilets, in total darkness and filth, with rotting dead bodies, all the time believing that people were coming to help them, but with no help in sight, and let's see how they like it.

    Any party that would lie to start a war would also steal an election.

    by landrew on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 03:14:41 PM PDT

  •  I agree with them (none)
    This is a lot of money going to Halliburton.  There is no accounting system and just today there was a report released on the graft that happened with 9/11 money.

    This is also a way for Bush to hide the cost by dribbling it out over time.  Figure out what you need, put a system in place to account for the money.  Then do a real apporopriation.

    Hey, you, get offa my cloud

    by randyhauser on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 03:18:59 PM PDT

  •  I heard a pundit say (none)
    on MSNBC that the reason they were the holdouts were because they're the "traditionally fiscal conservatives".  That these few wanted to wait until there could be "more accountability" for how the money would be spent.  That just throwing $51bil at the situation with no oversight would be a waste.  That they favored approving it in $10bil increments.

    WTF??!  Just like they do with all the Iraq war appropriations bills in the $80billions at a time??!

    Okay, let's start with where is our $8.8billion that is missing in Iraq, you old curmudgeons.  If you're so worried about fiscal responsibility and how our tax $$ are spent.  WHY is there absolutely ZERO investigation and effort to recover this money for the Amnerican taxpayer??  

    Such blatant graft, greed and hyprocisy, over and over again...

    Well...so many people now gone with the wind in this Katrina disaster actually voted against their own best interests when they cast a vote for this Bush NeoCON administration, one more time...

    Tragically sad, I tell ya...

  •  Heh (none)
    Hostettler, Sensenbrenner, and Tancredo? Is anyone really surprised?

    "It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone, to believe anything upon insufficient evidence." --(WK) Clifford's Credo

    by PerfectStormer on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 03:22:28 PM PDT

  •  The real victims (none)
    "people that stayed up and got no sleep and very little food for five to six days straight trying to make the right decisions to save people"

    Don't you see? The real victims of this disaster were those poor starving people in the control room.

  •  Tom Coburn (none)
    Did I just hear him vote "no"?

    "We must all hang together or assuredly we will all hang seperately." - Ben Franklin

    by RandyMI on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 04:04:51 PM PDT

  •  Correct observation wrong interpretation? (none)
    <italics>It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback, but you should have been in that control room where those people were making life and death decisions, people that stayed up and got no sleep and very little food for five to six days straight trying to make the right decisions to save people. What happens when we come up here? They point the finger. You didn't make the right decision here. You didn't take care of my aides there. You didn't do this. You didn't do that. The point is if you look at the big picture, it's a phenomenal accomplishment by everybody involved. It's unbelievable. I am constantly struck by where we are today just a little over a week from the worst catastrophe that this country has seen.</italics>

    Hmmm... I wonder who was in the control room?  Some low level FEMA guys who are career disaster management types and know what they are doing?  Perhaps, and if you actually spoke to them they would say.  

    "Of course we were up for 5 days straight with little food or sleep.  That is what it took to make up for just 5% of the complete f**k up that upper management made of this disatster.  If FEMA  had been ready in the first place we would not have made life or death decisions but life or life decisions. We were trying to get resources moving that should have been ready days ago. And, we were impeded by red tape due to conflicting orders from upper management.  We were lucky we even got any help to the people we did because of how screwed up FEMA is under this administration.  Yep, Delay saw us staying up for 5 days fighting a rear guard action."

  •  Hoo rah! It's down to four seats... (none)
    But if you flip these 11 seats, then the 109th Congress:

    232 Republicans

    202 Democrats

    1 Independent becomes in the 110th congress:

    221 Republicans

    213 Democrats

    1 Independent

    Do you think the Democrats can win four seats?

    Howard, grab the ring, boy!

  •  JOE SAID NO (none)
    Kos, please forgive me this one time for violating the rules...

    I cannot even begin to describe my furor when I saw my supposed "Representative" at the top of the "NAY" list during this hour of need. For any human being with the least bit of a conscience to vote against this aid is unconscionable. Everyone is saying not to politicize this tragedy and I agreed up until this point.

    Now the gloves are coming off...

    This is a slap in the face to every survivor, every aid worker, every first responder, and every caring citizen that has been touched by this tragedy.

    I worked in shelters over Labor Day while on Galveston Island, TX and again at home in Arlington and continue help some of these survivors try to get back on their feet again. I am sure they would all love to know the names of these 11.

    Every Texan and every citizen within the 50 states needs to hear about Joe Barton and these 10 other "Summer Soldiers and Sunshine Patriots" and their inability to find their backbone. I guess Joe Barton and company expect those private citizens that have already responded with support to make up for the failure of the federal government.

    After all, the "move to Houston is working very well for some of the poor people that left New Orleans" per Barbara

    To not vote is one thing (this I could accept if he was down in the area helping or assessing it, but he wasn't) but to vote "NAY" is adding insult to injury in a magnitude I cannot even explain rationally.

    I hope all Texas voters remember this day, 8 September 2005, when they go to the polls in November, 2006 to vote in the election. I will do my part when I run against Joe Barton in 2006 to make sure that he, and the rest of his cronies, remember this day for sure. If you are interested in getting involved to help me with this endeavor please email me at FM2DC@aol.com or visit my site at www.followmetodc.com to register for our mailing list and be notified when we launch.

    Thanks to all for the strength and support during these trying times. Kindness and justice will prevail. Be strong for those that cannot be right now.

    "Whether in chains or in laurels, liberty knows nothing but victories." - Wendell Phillips

    by rgrdave on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 04:34:51 PM PDT

  •  Team Hate nAmerica (none)
    The subject says it all.  The bastards!!!!  So glad I left the US in 2002 and am now a proud Irish- Mexican.
  •  Did anyone go to Virginia Foxx website? (none)
    She brags about giving grants to firefighters that are not even in her district yet cannot fund people who are in dire need.

    I am ashamed to be from NC now.

    Did you hear what the Buddist said to the hot dog vendor? "Make me one with everything."

    by kidshaleen on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 05:06:16 PM PDT

    •  I'm appalled, too. (none)
      I live in the NC Fourth District, thank God, so Foxx  isn't my representative per se, but I can't believe any member of the North Carolina delegation could be so stupid. I checked out her website, and as best I can tell, apparently we don't need the federal government to help Katrina survivors because we can all donate to the American Red Cross.

      I can't wait to call her office tomorrow. Her staffers are going to get an earful from me.

  •  1 million+ voters now anti-repug (none)
    I'm going to hazard a guess that every citizen of NOLA would vote against Bush and any repug they could find. Actually, I dare say there are going to be plenty in Texas in the coming months as well.

    Wonderful demographic for a Democrat voting drive...

    =my2c

    BC

    http://my2cworth.blogspot.com

  •  Ron Paul (none)
    Kos, as others have mentioned upthread, Ron Paul is a fanatical Libertarian — obviously, this exposes the impracticality of such a philosophy, but I think it's wildly off the mark to lump him in with the ten nutcases listed there and declare him a “horrible human being.”  In the past, he's cast a lot of votes I agree with.
  •  a transcript of the vote? (none)
    Maybe this was asked for and if so I apologize. A link to it would be appreciated.

    Is there a transcript of the discussion and vote?

    There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty.--John Adams

    by tvb on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 09:39:32 PM PDT

  •  Garrett's website touts passage (none)
    Of Katrina Aid package.  Is this the same bill he voted against?

    http://garrett.house.gov/

  •  as good liberals (none)
    we must remove this thread

    i do not believe that these congressmen are a part of "team hate america"

    there is no accountability attached to these monies

    already, billions have been lost in iraq

    this is a giveaway

    how much of this money will get to victims?

    how much will go to rebuilding the infrastructure of the gulf states?

    how much will find itself lining the pockets of more bush cronies?

    we liberals must be the fiscally responsible ones

    applaud these men

    embrace them

    maybe they will turn from the darkside

  •  Eight Heroes (none)
    Uhh, excuse me. These guys did the right thing. FEMA was receiving 90% of this. 90% to Bush Pioneers who are the modern day KKK? Shameful. What a scam. You should know Ron Paul is a good dude. He sure is much better than most Dems.

     This is all PSYOPS. They set up a guy like Mike Brown to keep us all fighting for his firing. It's all staged. He's the sacrificial lamb or red herring to keep us chasing our tails. The real monster is Michael "of the devil" Chertoff.

  •  It sucks. Tancredo is my congressman. (none)
    And I don't think he is going anywhere.  Sadly.
  •  They don't HATE America... (none)
    Read Westmoreland's statement.

    "I strongly support continued government funding of relief work in the affected areas, but the legislation we are considering is sorely lacking in effective accountability. The legislation allocates funds to federal agencies with barely any explanation, except for one thing we know -- that not a dime of the $51.8 billion will be spent on reconstruction in the affected areas. The funding is only for immediate response over and above the $10 billion we are already spending. This legislation holds no one responsible, and I cannot in good conscience allow such a tremendous amount of taxpayer's money to be spent without holding someone accountable for its disbursement. The legislation does provide for the inspector general to oversee the funding, but even that is after-the-fact as the money is being spent."

    What is wrong with wanting accountability?!! Especially in light of today's NYTimes article revealing how poor legislation gave banks incentives to dole out guaranteed 9/11 small business loans left and right to as many businesses as possible, regardless of whether they were affected by 9/11 or not...hair salons in UTAH got loans, while businesses at ground zero were DENIED.

    Throwing money at something without strategy is exactly what Bush is doing in Iraq. When are we going to hold this administration accountable for anything?!?

  •  Looking at this list (none)
    it looks like the only ones who will likely be held accountable for this are Garrett, Hostettler and Otter.  Hostettler and Otter's votes are particularly hard to understand.  Otter's running for governor and Hostettler faces another tough reelection bid against his strongest candidate ever.

    As for Garrett--remember that this guy has no business even being in office.  Only reason he's even in there is because the Dem opponent in 2002 got a case of diarrhea of the mouth--or rather, keyboard.

  •  Tancredo (none)
    Tom Tancredo's reason for voting against it:

    Tancredo continued, "I'm concerned that the federal government has created a situation that is ripe for fraud and abuse. Billions of dollars are being handed out to a place where there is severely compromised infrastructure, where local officials have been incompetent in their early response to the emergency, and where there is little if any oversight in administering the funds. Resources are urgently needed, but the U.S. Treasury should not be left unguarded."

    Is he talking about Iraq?  'Cause I could be sure that he's talking about Iraq here...seriously, this is about Iraq, right?

  •  Mr. Garrett called me at home about my LTTE. (none)
    Here's my diary about it.

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