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I never even knew my "Born-Again Christian Fundamentalist" co-worker harbored extreme views related to abortion, gay marriage and the constitution until they became election issues and political talking points.   Then he comes to life. Then he's on-fire.

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After the 2004 election I was hit with the realization that he represents a collective mindset. A mind that does not need to be informed or reminded what their government is up to. Their support is based on faith. Faith that they have elected "one of their own" and they must trust in him. They are NOT in denial. They See. They Get it. They know.

The most troubling aspect of Christian Fundamentalism is that the "faithful" want and welcome fulfillment of their End Times Biblical Doomsday Prophecy, which ultimately means the destruction of mankind. According to their faith, once life on earth is destroyed and the rest of us "lesser people" of a "lesser god" have set up residence in Hades, they and their kind will finally get to hook up with their God in Heaven. Nothing could be more joyous than meeting their maker, in their lifetime.  With Bush as their leader, their messiah, they see Heaven clearly on the horizon. They are about to be rewarded for their loyalty. Their immortal souls teeter on their support of this man.

Because we have a "Born-Again Fundamentalist" running the country and because Fundamentalists believe that Armageddon is a "positive turn of events", perhaps we should examine the dire consequences of Religious Extremism in our own country. Perhaps we should restrict anyone having these beliefs from holding ANY kind of public office - most importantly office of POTUS.  They could and already do seem to be making decisions that would ultimately contribute to the fulfillment of this insane prophecy. "Utter Madness" should not be the underpinning of our Foreign Policy. "Utter Madness" should not influence  who does or who does not get nuked. "Utter Madness" should not Rule the Day.

The questions, while under oath, to put to George W. Bush and anyone currently holding public office are:

  • Do you believe the Bible is "The Literal Word of God".
  • Do you believe GOD will usher in the "END TIMES".
  • Do you believe getting to Heaven hinges on the fulfillment of the "END TIMES" prophecy and Armageddon.

A "Yes" to any of these questions should result in impeachment and removal from office. While everyone is free to believe this insanity they should not be allowed to inflict their insane beliefs on others. This madness is a threat to our legal system, the environment, and to the lives of every citizen around the world. We cannot risk allowing them to make decisions based on their delusional sense of privilege and insane beliefs. Time for a Day of Reckoning. Time to denounce Religious Extremism. Time for Bush et al to go.

Note: If you haven't made a serious attempt to read the Bible cover to cover - DO NOT DEFEND IT. Yes it teaches many admirable Christian morals but it also has some incredibly disturbing immoral teachings based on a 5,000 year old tribal society dominated by war, superstition, bigotry, and oppression and cannot be swallowed whole as the "Literal Word of God".

Advice to self: Spend more time at the Whiskey Bar.

Originally posted to goghgirl on Sun Sep 11, 2005 at 03:55 PM PDT.

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Comment Preferences

  •  Ah, much better (none)
    (earlier version was margin crazy) and Recommended for its passion.

    "I have sworn upon the altar of god, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Jefferson

    by Michael Alton Gottlieb on Sun Sep 11, 2005 at 03:51:53 PM PDT

    •  though (none)
      disqualifying a potential President based upon her religious beliefs would take a Constitutional Amendment.

      "I have sworn upon the altar of god, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Jefferson

      by Michael Alton Gottlieb on Sun Sep 11, 2005 at 03:53:50 PM PDT

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      •  Ah yes...but this crosses the line. (none)
        You do not have the right to exercise your religious beliefs if they infringe on the rights of others and Armageddon seems a little infringing.

        One must not attempt to justify them, but rather to sense their nature simply and clearly. Albert Einstein

        by goghgirl on Sun Sep 11, 2005 at 04:03:20 PM PDT

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  •  Its not religion with Bush. (none)
    Don't buy it.  He uses the beliefs of others in order to manipulate. Oh, he might have some basic beliefs, but I don't believe they are out of the mainstream.  
    •  Once upon a time (none)
      a man name Karl Rove came up to George W. Bush and said, "George, with your pedigree and hickish charm you could be Governor of Texas, you could even be President of the United States of America ... but you need to pretend to be a Christian".

      "I can do that," said W. "Tell me more ..."

      The rest is history.

      "I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking about peace." George W. Bush

      by Warren Terrer on Sun Sep 11, 2005 at 04:22:27 PM PDT

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      •  Pretty close to how it happened.... (none)
        According to some accounts, while working on his father's campaign, GW theorized aloud that "it would be possible to win the election by getting the evangelical vote".

        Viola.  He's an evangelical.

        •  Yes but... (none)
          what a dilemma this would pose. If he tells the truth, he  abandons his base, if he lies he risks being declared a "religious fanatic" unfit to hold office.

          One must not attempt to justify them, but rather to sense their nature simply and clearly. Albert Einstein

          by goghgirl on Sun Sep 11, 2005 at 04:34:29 PM PDT

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          •  Its their strategy (none)
            to tell each side what they want to hear....and its worked pretty well for them.  However, now the fundies are catching on to this. That's why the pressure is stepping up.

            In the end, though, Bush is going to go where the money is. He doesn't have to get he'll continue to throw some crumbs their way but they are not going to be at the forefront of his agenda.

    •  Agreed... (none)
      I've been googling to find it, but can't. But IIRC he was asked to cite his fave bible passage and he can't. And aside from a few "parayer breakfasts" he isn't known for attending services.


      Strange and beautiful are the stars tonight, that dance around your head.

      by deepfish on Sun Sep 11, 2005 at 04:31:03 PM PDT

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      •  Perhaps not... (none)
        This is an excerpt from the Atheists For Human Rights site. It is an interesting albeit outdated take on Bush's religious sincerity.

        Judging from a great many media reports, Bush's religious statements and behavior reflect a genuine conviction, unlike the pandering god-talk common among politicians.

        He has surrounded himself with friends, advisors, and appointees who share his created reality, including Atty. General John Ashcroft (who starts his office day with staff prayers) and Secretary of Commerce Don Evans (with whom Bush attends Bible study), and professional religionists such as Franklin Graham (Billy Graham's son) and Pat Robertson.

        Bush's commitment to Israel has a solid religious base in addition to the political aspects. Fundamentalist Christians tend to strongly support Israel because they share the Zionist Bible-based belief that the land now being fought over was given to the Jews by God; therefore they have an indisputable right to it -- all of it.

        The Bible says the Jews must regain Israel as a homeland before Jesus can come again and bring on the End Times and Armageddon (the final battle between good and evil). Fundamentalists yearn for this. Books about it are best sellers.

        The term "axis of evil" in Bush's State of the Union address was originally "axis of hatred." Bush changed it to "evil" for the theological connotations. His speeches are full of fundamentalist-style god-talk.

        A third of Bush's statement following the Columbia shuttle disaster consisted of strong religious sentiments. He obviously sees and interprets the world through his fundamentalist, absolutist, self-righteous beliefs where there are no shades of gray.

        One must not attempt to justify them, but rather to sense their nature simply and clearly. Albert Einstein

        by goghgirl on Sun Sep 11, 2005 at 04:58:18 PM PDT

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        •  Being religious (none)
          does not make one a fundamentalist.  Surrounding himself with the fundie types has more to do with political pandering than any shared religious experiences.  Bush will use these people to advance his agenda...he'll use any group of people to advance his agenda.  
          •  Diary for another day. (none)
            I'm in the camp that thinks Bush actually believes his own rhetoric. I'll see what I round up to make my case ... keep an eye out.

            I think you might be surprised...


            One must not attempt to justify them, but rather to sense their nature simply and clearly. Albert Einstein

            by goghgirl on Sun Sep 11, 2005 at 05:24:39 PM PDT

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    •  Bush's god is the dollar. (none)
       Much about Bush is a veneer, such as his Texas accent and his religion. It's all part of the Bush brand, which apparently 38 percent of Americans buy. Does he really believe this stuff? I have my doubts.
  •  This Is a Problem... (none)
    ...neither our society nor a liberal mindset is equiped to deal with.

    Our whole system is based on the idea that there is no top-down system of belief that can control the political structure and, also, on respect for each individual within the society.  

    Wrong.  At least, wrong in the view of the fundamentalists among us.

    The beliefs that you describe are inherently anti-democratic.  Any time you can divide people into classes of "good" and "bad," you lay the seed for the destruction of "one person, one vote."  If someone is "bad," after all, they should not be trusted with a vote.

    Your comment about the Bible is an appropriate warning.  However, the Bible is not a book that can be taken literally--not as being God's final word, at any rate.  Not only does it contain contradictions, but Jesus himself, in Matthew, says that his "new law" supercedes the "old law" of the Old Testament.  In that respect, the new word of God replaces the old.  Therefore, there is a hierarchy of "truth" in the Bible, with Jesus's commandments to love God and love one's neighbor as oneself at the apex.  It should be impossible to get around this, but many people do, reading the Bible with blinders, so to speak.

    •  Yes and I understand (none)
      that while most Christians shift the shaft from the grain when reading the bible, the Fundamentalists as a requirement for being a Fundamentalist believe that the bible is God's Word and that people who find errors are just somehow absorbing the true meaning of text.

      One must not attempt to justify them, but rather to sense their nature simply and clearly. Albert Einstein

      by goghgirl on Sun Sep 11, 2005 at 04:21:00 PM PDT

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    •  They Did Know of Authoritarian Religion (none)
      which is an important reason they opened the Bill of Rights with freedom from religion. They just made the mistake of assuming that detaching it from government was sufficient protection. But then, religion is nothing special. A complete list of contemporary circumstance that are dangerous to our Constitutional system is called "the library."

      However, the Bible is not a book that can be taken literally--

      This probably doesn't matter. The fundamentalists themselves don't take it literally, as we can see at a glance at Jesus' prohibitions against accumulating wealth, resisting lawsuits, and praying in public. What they take literally is what their human authorities tell them to think and do. Since there is no critical thinking, there are no tests that would reveal faults or contradiction in logic. But then there is no logic either.

      Whatever the case, the religions don't recognize any external source of truth, so they don't accept input or commentary of any kind.

      It should be impossible to get around this, but many people do,

      Yep. These Christians are almost completely anti-Jesus. As a musician I sometimes do weddings & funerals at such churches. My experience is that there is very little mention or reference to Jesus other than demanding allegience to his "name."

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy....--ML King, "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Sun Sep 11, 2005 at 05:39:32 PM PDT

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  •  I am feeling a little like tossing my cookies... (none)
    This by moiv
    Sun Sep 11th, 2005 at 15:19:17 PDT

    Texas OK's Death Penalty for Abortion Providers
    It had to happen somewhere, sooner or later, and none of us should be surprised that it has happened first in Texas. The rabidly anti-choice mob comprising the majority of the Texas Legislature passed a law this year that finally has abortion-providing physicians exactly where the Rapture Right wants them: subject to the death penalty.

    One must not attempt to justify them, but rather to sense their nature simply and clearly. Albert Einstein

    by goghgirl on Sun Sep 11, 2005 at 05:33:05 PM PDT

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