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We Don't Exist
Cindy Sheehan

Last weekend, Karl Rove said that I was a clown and the antiwar movement was "non-existent." I wonder if the hundreds of thousands of people who showed up today to protest this war and George's failed policies know that they don't exist. It is also so incredible to me that Karl thinks that he can wish us away by saying we aren't real. Well, Karl and Co., we are real, we do exist and we are not going away until this illegal and immoral occupation of Iraq is over and you are sent back to the depths of whatever slimy, dark, and loathsome place you came from. I may be a clown Karl, but you are about to be indicted. You also preside over one of the biggest three ring, malevolent circuses of all time: the Bush administration.

The rally today was overwhelming and powerful. The reports that I was arrested today were obviously false. The peace rally was mostly very peaceful. Washington, DC was filled with energetic and proud Americans who came from all over to raise their voices in unison against the criminals who run our government and their disastrous policies that our making our nation more vulnerable to all kinds of attacks (natural and "Bush" made disasters).

I led the march for peace along side such venerable activists as the Reverends Al Sharpton, Bob Edgars, and Jesse Jackson, Jr., and Julian Bond. Two of our Congresswomen with cajones from California: Barbara Lee and Lynn Woolsey also led the march.

Many people told me thank you for coming. I want to tell America "thank you!!" At the Camp Casey reunion this evening, I was so overcome with emotion and gratitude that I wanted to hug every citizen of this country. We in the Camp Casey movement are so proud and thrilled that America showed up in such great numbers.

So much happened today! I am exhausted but very content. I am again filled with a renewed sense of hope that we will get our country back and get our troops home. I was also thrilled at the number of young people who came out today. That is another great sign that the side of good is winning.

With the Reverends, we stopped in front of the White House and said a prayer. After the prayer, I said that we are light and they are darkness. Darkness can NEVER overcome the light, ever. As long as there is one spark, the darkness has lost. We will prevail, we will be victorious. The darkness has lost because our beacons of peace and truth are shining for the entire world to see. And it is a very pretty sight. Take that Karl.

Originally posted to CindySheehan on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 09:04 PM PDT.

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  •  Good job today (4.00)
    The rally generated positive coverage by MSNBC, with specific mention of your role.

    Keep up the good work.


    You are so evolved it boggles my fragile little mind. Now give me a 4, fucker. (Bill In Portland Maine, to Meteor Blades)

    by AlphaGeek on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 09:07:36 PM PDT

    •  Maybe my angry letter to them (4.00)
      helped! ;-D

      "Whatsoever you do to the least of my people, that you do unto me" - Jesus

      by SisTwo on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 09:20:28 PM PDT

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      •  Hell yes it did! :-) (none)

        The Christian Right is neither Witness Every Day

        by TXsharon on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 10:50:29 PM PDT

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      •  good for you (none)
        we need to hit our local editorials with pro-soldier, anti-war letters.

        the reicht uses alot of vets & parents of current soldiers to push this idea that we're anti-soldier & anti-american.

        that's a bunch of bs but they know that.  what they also know is that the only way they keep these rallies from absolutely exploding around the country is to push the "anti-soldier, dishonor their memory" crap.

        Rove knows it.  that's why he'll paint us as some hippie, commie loving, body-piercing extremists (btw, i don't have a problem with body piercing).  

        he NEEDS us to look alien and unAmerican.

        b/c if people ever looked at these rallies & see themselves in these protestors, god help Rove & Bushco.  

        b/c they will be FUCKED.

        so write your local papers, get your letters out there & let America know that it was Americans at the rallies - Americans of all stripes (red, white & blue, baby), all colors, all backgrounds (including military!) WHO ARE JUST SICK & TIRED OF THE LIES, THE DISGRACE, AND THE DEATHS THIS ADMIN IS RESPONSIBLE FOR!!

    •  Coverage is getting more positive (4.00)
      Although it hasn't been able to overtake some of the bigger news stories.  In a lot of ways, if hundreds of thousands of people marching by the White House isn't the biggest concern for Bush because he's up to his ass in things he can't handle, things are not going well for him.  This battle will take a while, but momentum is clearly on our side.
      •  Although (none)
        This morning my alarm went off to NPR and it was a top of the hour quick news report and this is how they covered the protest (paraphrasing):

        Protesters, both Pro-Bush and Against, gathered in the nations capital.  Hundreds of war supporters gathered along with tens of thousands anti-war supporters.

        Interview of war supporter

        Interview of anti-war supporter

        Pro-War Supporters plan to hold their own rally next week.

        I turned the alarm off and went back to bed.  Gotta love NPR when its being run by the RNC.

        George W. Bush makes Reagan look smart, Nixon look honest, and his dad look coherent.

        by Dave the pro on Sun Sep 25, 2005 at 06:40:12 AM PDT

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        •  they have a professional term for the coverage (none)
          it is so-called "balanced" reporting with he said and she said on two opposite views - truth and facts are secondary even to NPR these days; got to be "balanced" first. When it is all balanced out, there will be nothing left to care about.
          •  It wasn't he said she said. (none)
            There were no counterpoints on display or on television, explaining the noble cause.

            It was "she said you haven't given us a reason, he said shut up."

          •  balanced, my arse (none)
            this whole concept of "balanced" has got to be exposed for the crap that it is.  if it was really balanced, then there would have been 1000 minutes of anti-war coverage of the rally for every minute of pro-war coverage.  or, one minute to no minutes.

            it's balanced like the top 1% got as big a tax break as the bottom 99% got.

            "balanced" is literally the second most overused word in journalism today after "literally".

        •  "continue.." - hit post by accident (none)
          The idea is to portrait two "fractious" groups and downplay the importance of any legitimate concerns.   It is also a very effective way of turning people off - it is just arguments with two crazy "sides".  I lead a local citizen's group fighting the local corrupt government and I get this treatment from the local NPR and local press all the time.  The polarization is intentional and they claim to be "neutral" but it minimizes the really concerns and take away any curiosity any citizens might have about real issues.
          •  And It's a Thousand-to-One Payoff (none)
            for the fascists. Half a million anti-Management; half a hundred pro Management. A balanced report airs both sides equally. Republicans continue to overspend though. THey'd win their half of the coverage if they only sent one person and the common people sent a full million.

            NBC showed its liberal bias last night. They ran the story in the optional 2nd half hour that only some local stations carried. They gave the story 3 sentences and favored the liberal anti-war protestors 2 sentences to one. Shocking, shocking liberal bias.

            We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy....--ML King, "Beyond Vietnam"

            by Gooserock on Sun Sep 25, 2005 at 08:59:40 AM PDT

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          •  What struck me most (none)
            Was that the pro-Bush supporters were always mentioned first and then they ended by letting us know that a pro-Bush rally was scheduled for next week.  Does anyone know anything about this?

            George W. Bush makes Reagan look smart, Nixon look honest, and his dad look coherent.

            by Dave the pro on Sun Sep 25, 2005 at 11:28:52 AM PDT

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        •  bullshit (4.00)
          hundreds of pro-war protestors is bullfuckingshit and a half.

          i was there - i saw the idiots in question.  to say there was even a single hundred of them would be a serious stretch.  where the fuck do they get "hundreds"?!?!

          now i'm pissed.

          •  Strongly agree (none)
            I was there too, I'd be surprised if there were more than 2 dozen. Someone on my bus later wittily described them as "tens of counterprotestors".

            As long as I count the votes, what are you going to do about it? - William Marcy Tweed

            by sidnora on Sun Sep 25, 2005 at 11:51:45 AM PDT

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            •  Balanced(tm) coverage of the Pro-war rally? (none)
              CNN and AP are giving the pro-war crowd a disproportionate amount of bandwidth, but with a twist: "'We are preparing for as many as 20,000 people, just to be on the safe side,' said Kristinn Taylor, a leader of "A few hundred people in a counter demonstration in support of Bush's Iraq policy lined the protest route near the FBI building on Saturday.... "[on Sunday] About 400 people gathered near a stage on an eastern segment of the mall, a large photo of an American flag serving as a backdrop. "War supporters said the scale of the anti-war march didn't take away from their cause." Notice that the photo and about half the text of the CNN article are actually a rehash of their coverage of the anti-war demonstration.
            •  I was there too and can validate (none)
              that what's being reported about the number of counterprotestors is a big fucking lie.  As has already been said, there were maybe a dozen or two and that may be generous if you count the evangelical nut cases shouting at us to be more like Jesus.  ???

              "Who knows but that which seems omitted today, waits for tomorrow?" Kahlil Gibran

              by Bodean on Sun Sep 25, 2005 at 04:07:20 PM PDT

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          •  And that's without the draft. n/t (none)
    •  Cindy, what about election fraud? (4.00)
      I think what you're doing is fantastic, but unless we find some way to make elections in the United States fair and democratic again, our protests will be irrelevant, and our voices, however loud, however articulate, will not be heard.
  •  The world (4.00)
    has your back, Cindy.

    I need to steal a good sig.

    by John West on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 09:07:50 PM PDT

  •  You Have Bent History (4.00)
    Few will have the greatness to bend history itself; but each of us can work to change a small portion of events, and in the total; of all those acts will be written the history of this generation.

     - Robert F. Kennedy

  •  Everybody loves a clown. (4.00)
    Run with it. Pick up a red rubber nose.

    No-one who voted against the USAPATRIOT Act has lost an election. I am not currently Licensed to Practice in this State. Or Yours.

    by ben masel on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 09:10:23 PM PDT

  •  Good Job, Cindy (none)
    I first started following your story through Mike Moore's site and was glad to learn that you post here on Dkos.


    "What is it, George? It's the stem cells -- I hear their little cries!" -- Doonesbury

    by Myrrander on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 09:12:39 PM PDT

    •  Actually (4.00)
      One of the most common fears is that of clowns.
      •  LOL (none)
        Fear of clowns.

        Somehow that image superimposed on a preschooler Karl Rove just explains so much.  His mother commited suicide, I think.  I know he had a series of really traumatic, chaotic events in his formative years, family-wise.  

        So yeah, good catch there.  No wonder he was cowering in the WH yesterday while Bush was at SATCOM or NARAD or maybe Cheney's undisclosed bunker while Hurricane Cindy came through DC.  "Fear of clowns", you know.

  •  Ms. Sheehan you are a hero (4.00)
    and I thank you for your service to this country, and also for your son's service to this country.

    People are starting to wake up and see B*sh for the cowardly puppet of Rove that he is.  You have had a LOT to do with that.  

    Keep up the good fight.  Millions of Americans are behind you, rooting for you and echoing your words.

    Who is ready to take an ethical stand?

    by DollyLlama on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 09:12:50 PM PDT

  •  No Words to Thank You (4.00)

    Cindy, I am older than you are, but somehow I feel you are my mother, as well as Casey's -- because the troops in Iraq are, mostly, young men (I mean no disrespect to the young women) and I was, years ago, young and horror-struck by the war of my time, the one in Vietnam, and there were too few mothers and fathers who stood up for their children, then, and said to Johnson and to Nixon:  No.

    So your mother's love, your courage and clear-sightedness and truth-telling are hugely inspirational to me, and fill me with gratitude that includes something, I blush to say, akin to that feeling a boy has when he is sheltered by his Mom.  You're huge, Cindy, and you make Karl and W and "Dick" and Rummy and the lot of them seem small, and reptilian, and nasty -- as they in fact are.

    You're doing Casey, and all of us, proud.

    "In this world limits are not only inescapable but indispensable." (Wendell Berry).

    by proudtinfoilhat on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 09:15:04 PM PDT

  •  keep going Cindy... (4.00)
    the clown thing?  then its aaaaalll going according to PLAN :) remember the following:

    "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." - Gandhi

    An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind--Gandhi

    by hopefulcanadian on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 09:15:39 PM PDT

  •  Loved hearing you today (4.00)
    wish it could have been on TV instead of through the 'net. Wrote a couple angry emails to CNN and MSNBC for their minimal coverage.

    "Whatsoever you do to the least of my people, that you do unto me" - Jesus

    by SisTwo on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 09:19:16 PM PDT

  •  Actually, acording to the MSM coverage... (4.00)
    ...we don't exist. Amazing that the protest like the one in NYC in August, 2004, happened in a vacuum,it appears.

    I've pointed out before that the sight of Cindy sitting alone in a ditch in Crawford is more media powerful than 500,000 maching in the streets.  The numbers don't seem to matter anymore...just the simplicity of the message.

    •  Or the 1 million in DC in 1993 (none)
      Vitual media blackout. 1 million lesbians, gay, trangenders, bisexuals and their supporters gathered in Washington in April 1993 and total media blackout. The Beloved Clinton was either out of town or out of touch, scared to death to be associated with "gays" after his "gays in the military" debacle earlier that year.

      OOOOOMMMMM . . . . .

      by MarkosNYC on Sun Sep 25, 2005 at 06:08:29 AM PDT

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  •  We love you, Cindy! (4.00)
    For the big majority, the 63% of Americans who believe that it's time to start withdrawing troops from Iraq,

     THANK YOU!!!!

    "We do know of certain knowledge that he [Osama Bin Laden] is either in Afghanistan, or in some other country, or dead."--Donald Rumsfeld

    by sunbro on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 09:25:56 PM PDT

  •  Thank you Cindy (4.00)
    for giving voice to my angerand disgust of this administration. I couldn't be there but my question of 'where is the outrage' was answered.
  •  I was proud to join you today (4.00)
    Thank you for your effort.  I was proud to stand with you today.

    "Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings." Heinrich Heine, from his play Almansor (1821)

    by egrass on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 09:31:36 PM PDT

  •  *shiver* (4.00)
    I'm on the left coast.

    Been at a church retreat this weekend, working on administrative things.

    Ms Sheehan, bless you.  The darkness always loses to the light.

    You have been, and continue to be a light in this world.

    Tonight, as always, we prayed for peace in the world, an end to wars.

    It's what's right.

    Proud member of the Social Security google-bomb project.
    Be proud. YOU'RE A LIBERAL.

    by changingamerica on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 09:31:42 PM PDT

  •  Thank you, Cindy! (4.00)
    I was there, and I exist.  I was sorry I did not get to meet you, but it was a proud day to be an American, and we have so few of those lately.
  •  Another thank you (4.00)
    Your voice, the voice of Anne whose son is in Iraq, the lady whose son is stuck in Canada whose name I cannot recall and Jessica Lange really brought it home for me and I'm sure many other American mothers.  For all you have done and tirelessly continue to do there aren't enough words of praise.

    "Bush should've hired Fed-Ex. They know when it has to be there overnight."

    by MissAnneThrope on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 09:33:27 PM PDT

  •  Take that Karl! (4.00)
    I hung out with my kids today instead of going to the protest. I know the protest was big...but these days of hanging out with kids/wife are not so plentiful these days. I was able to watch the show on satellite Dish Network, and it was beautiful!
  •  Counter-protest today. (4.00)
    The counter-protest I saw today, as pitifully small as it was next to the strength of our march, was the biggest I've seen at an anti-war rally.  One of the most hateful, as well.

    Perhaps perversely, I think that's a sign of our strength.  They're threatened enough to do their best to show up and mock.  Scared scared hateful people.

  •  You will outlast Karl Rove! (4.00)
    Cindy, I was at the rally today--but my rally was in SF and not in Washington.  The counts of our numbers, were as usual--understated terribly by the media.  Blocks and blocks of masses of packed people and the march went on and on.  I've run Bay to Breakers here in SF and those crowds counted at 80,000+ because of all the number tags turned in at the end.  We were at least double Bay to Breakers!

    Something else you said caught my attention:  You mentioned Karl Rove will soon be indicted!  How right you Are!  Here's how it will start:

    Perjury, Obstruction of Justice, Lying to Investigators (he lies to everyone), Destruction of Evidence, Conspiracy and then there will be the serious Espionage Charges (and he won't be the only one charged)!  The GOP Talking points where he supposedly wanted to "prevent a false story from being published", only makes the case against him stronger and just that is a violation of Title 18, Section 793.  A reporter from Jane's Defense magazine once was convicted under Title 18, Section 794 for providing this information to the press.  What Rove did was worse than what Morison did and he served serious time in jail for 794.  In US versus Morison, the Court held that giving information related to the public defense, was the same thing as giving it to the enemy and that "intent" was irrevelant.

    Rove, Libby and others have betrayed all of us and especially those like your son who wore a uniform or served to protect us all.  I'm certain that the next time you see Ray McGovern, if you mention the 2 statutes I've quoted--he will smile from ear to ear!  All of what I mention is standard in the Non-Disclosures that these type of Government officials have to sign!

    So, if Rove winds up in jail--who doesn't exist anymore?

  •  Hey Cindy, (4.00)
    you ever think about selling your original lawn-chair on ebay? You could get alot for it I think, and give the cash to one of the many Iraq war wounded vet/KIA vet's families.(I'm sure you would already have one in mind.). Just an idea.
    •  that (4.00)
      is a great idea...i don't think we have the original chair, though!!!

      we are thinking of putting together a CD with the best songs that were written during camp casey, with one from Steve Earl and one from Joan Baez (they don't know about this yet), then use the proceeds to buy some land near the prez's ranch and build a veteran's rehabilitation center....that will help the people that george harmed, but he would also have to be confronted with his evilness for the rest of his life (or until he speedily sold the ranch).

      •  Holy crap! (4.00)
        How do ya come up with this stuff? That's brilliant! And anything that helps my fellow Iraq vets, I'm game for too:)
        •  i don't know (4.00)
          i just come up with the big ideas...

          i think it is so important to honor our vets, cuz their govt sure doesn't.

          •  I don't think George will be in either (4.00)
            the White House or Crawford long enough for such a center to get built, Cindy. He's crumpling very rapidly. I'm sure you know you have been right about him since day one. He is a very little man.

            I need to steal a good sig.

            by John West on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 10:15:18 PM PDT

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            •  Yeah, but (4.00)
              You know he's gotta build a "library" someplace. Couldn't let Daddy have one without having one himself. Once the ground has broken, that's the time to buy the property for the Casey Sheehan Memorial Center for Veterans of Bush's Folly.

              "Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservative." -- John Stuart Mill

              by Auntie Mame on Sun Sep 25, 2005 at 04:49:44 AM PDT

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      •  Jest set in a few chairs fer a while (4.00)
        And put them up for auction.

        (Note, I did not say one chair.)

        That will do. Jest settin' in them fer a while.

        Go girl!

        In troubling times, it's good to read true stories about real people doing good things. HeroicStories, free

        by AllisonInSeattle on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 11:36:07 PM PDT

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      •  What a great idea (none)
        If I may, I suggest you do a DVD / CD combo.  The "visual" contribution that a DVD would make would resonate for generations, I believe.

        Besides, it would allow those of us who couldn't make it to meet you the chance to get to know you that much better!

        And, you could charge more money per item.  :-)

  •  You're an inspiration, Cindy (4.00)
    to some of the more jaded old rabble-rousers I know. As one of my friends was saying this evening after we left the concert: "Even Rosa Parks was part of a movement, hand picked by E.B. Nixon. Cindy Sheehan just went out there and did it, and made a change. How many individuals ever get to do that? At the end of the day, she'll be able to say that she saved some lives, because after Crawford, the mood of the country had changed, and even the politicians get it."

    "Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin

    by Septic Tank on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 09:49:13 PM PDT

  •  Google Newsx, 12:32 AM EDT, Sun, 9/25/05 (4.00)
    Rita's Evacuation of 3 Million Limited Deaths, Officials Say - 6,682 related hits.

    Washington, DC: Big throng marches past White House - 764 hits.

    The march gets 11.5% of the coverage of Hurricane Rita...a "successful" response to a hurricane. Multiply that by all the OTHER news.

    DOMESTIC ENERGY SUPPLY Most refineries safe; pump price fears wane - 1869 hits

    One Big Day To Be Seized (America;s Cup race) - 1094 hits

    Latest Flooding Called a 'Huge Setback' - 2610 hits

    Not even "real" bites man, hurricane doesn't completely waste an area, sailboats compete, Repubs fuck up.

    Nothing "new".

    Need I go any further? Go there yourself. ( Add 'em up

    Sixteen  times the coverage of the REAL news...hundreds of thousands march on Washington to demand an end to the war. Just these few little stories.

    Probably more like 100  times when you add in the sports pagers, entertainment, and the rest of the soft news.

    Rove is right.

    We do NOT exist.

    Not so long as the media can minimize us like this.

    The media is the enemy. The most proximate enemy, anyway.

    Bust 'em.

    It's the only way.


    •  Blogs are the *new* media. (4.00)
      Within a couple of years web broadcasting will be bigger than broadcast and cable. And the leaders of it won't be traditional news outlets. They will be bloggers. Traditionally organized media can't financially compete with bloggers with tens of thousands of interactive users, and who enjoy distributed costs and true enthusiastic involvement.  

      The MSM is already reporting on blogs as a source of info. Before long they will be the source of info, and action. And the truth shall out.

      I need to steal a good sig.

      by John West on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 11:17:45 PM PDT

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      •  Another Media to consider.... (none)
        Lots of towns have an alternative weekly newspaper- Like the Isthmus in Madison or the Chicago Reader or the Village Voice in New York.  Those who attended the march should write a story and put in their pictures to journal what happened in DC and around the country.  Their collective readership wants, nay needs, to see what is happening here.  If you add up the people in the minor stream media like this, there are a lot of readers.  So marchers- to your keyboards!

        Cindy- you looked and sounded great today.  Courage!  Excelsior!  

        "At the very least, we should see to it that no one who works hard all week has to live in poverty and without access to good health care." William Raspberry

        by murrayewv on Sun Sep 25, 2005 at 04:13:32 AM PDT

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      •  And the truth shall out? (none)
        I sincerely hope so. But I have my doubts.

        Do you know how easy it would be to simply shut down the web?

        Believe me...the Permanent Government does. i would bet you that there are SEVERAL plans in place to effectively shut blog world down. The only reason that they have not done so already is that we are still a minor...although growing...nuisance.

        The only fact that is stopping them is that most ways to do this simply closing down the web with a super cyber-attack of some sort...would also seriously disrupt the economic system as it now stands. If we posed more of a threat to their interests than that "adjustment"...then it would happen.


        Buh BYE...!!!

        A real effort at infiltrating the most influential blogs would do it. (If it hasn't been done already, to some degree.)

        Sedition laws could be passed (and/or enforced...they're already there...) and examples could be made. (Or even anti-obscenity laws like what the FCC is laying on broadcast media.)

        "Knock knock"

        "Who's there?"

        "Homeland Security for Mr. and Ms. Kossack."

        "UH OH!!!!"

        A concentrated media the one launched on Howard Dean over the entire period of his run at the nomination...could be very easily mounted. The mainstream media would cooperate because it would be in their best financial interests to eliminate a competitor.

        And so on.

        I am not saying that this WILL happen.

        Just that it could.

        I hope that you are right.

        But we shall see...


    •  We won't win this battle all at once (none)
      We just have to keep showing up and making them take notice. The coverage of this event was far more significant than coverage of the Counter-Inaugural protests just eight months ago. (There essentially was no coverage.) The media will begin to acknowledge that there is significant anti-war sentiment in this country, if forced to do so by our continued presence.

      And, yes, the pro-war demonstrators were all but invisible-- I saw only about five pro-war people along the march route.

  •  I couldn't be there (4.00)
    but I was sure with you in spirit! Thank you for all you are doing, Cindy!  I was also with you and cheering with C-Span! :)

    Since you mentioned a couple of Congresswomen, I wanted to mention Cynthia McKinney, Rep. from Georgia.

    She was there. Don't know if she made the march, but she spoke at the rally. Saw her on C-Span.  So few of our elected officials showed, I wanted to give her a plug.  Her speech was great.

    "Why are we falling all over ourselves congratulating the President for taking responsibility for something that was his responsibility? I don't get it." - Imus

    by OLinda on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 09:51:38 PM PDT

    •  i love (4.00)
      my sister, cynthia...she did speak at the rally and she kissed my cheek and i walked around with her lip prints for awhile..

      there are so many others:
      sheila jackson lee, jan schakowsky, john conyers, dennis kucinich, walter jones, ron paul, and etc...i know my tired brain is leaving lots out..oh yeah, charlie rangel, maxine waters, barbara boxer.......please feel free to add more.

      •  just checking (4.00)
        Cindy, are you listing people you love, or were all these people at the march?  I had hoped at least Conyers and Kucinich might show, but didn't see them. I heard Dennis was at another function today.

        If all of these were there, well, that is awesome! I had no idea!

        "Why are we falling all over ourselves congratulating the President for taking responsibility for something that was his responsibility? I don't get it." - Imus

        by OLinda on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 10:21:26 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Just saw a snap of Jim Hightower -30- (none)

        In troubling times, it's good to read true stories about real people doing good things. HeroicStories, free

        by AllisonInSeattle on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 11:43:22 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Not all Dems missing in action (none)
        Thank you Cindy, I as many others were asking: Where are the Dems?  I'm glad you mentioned the ones that you remembered were there.

        Is there a way to compile a list of the ones that were presemt in all of the Rallies?

        I live in San Francisco, I love my Senator Barbara Boxer.  I admire her a lot, she has real cojones as you also do and very smart too.

        I was one of the many that sent her flowers in thanks for her stand with the Congressional Black Caucus on the vote count issue.

        I was so proud of her also on the way she handled herself during her questioning of C. Rice, she was so clear in the way she exposed Ms. Rice's lies.  She so graciously put the matter on the record for all to see.

        I could go on, and on, praising her merits and that of the many other women and men that are showing how it is done.

        I'll be contacting Senator Boxer again, immediatelly!

        Thank you again for the pleasure of great news about our Senator from California.

        Please give this msg. to our Reps that are truly representing us - We are with you. Never forget that!  Because we'll not forget your brave stands.

        For the others, this is my msg. for them: We are watching you and keeping tabs to be used on the next election, OMG!  It's only 14 months away, all will be fresh on our minds.

        Peace and Love,

        "It may be long before the law of love will be recognized in international affairs. "
        Mohandas Karamachand Gandhi

        •  Karl Rove Said... (none)
          "Cindy Sheehan is a clown. There is no real antiwar movement."

          But he went on to say

          "No serious politician, with anything to do with anything, would show his face at an antiwar rally."

          We need to count up the serious politicians.  And if the politicians were there with the protesters today, we must consider them serious about this movement.

          Lets take the names in a good way, so we can honor their presence.

          "At the very least, we should see to it that no one who works hard all week has to live in poverty and without access to good health care." William Raspberry

          by murrayewv on Sun Sep 25, 2005 at 05:25:50 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Right-o, Turdblossom (4.00)
            Serious politicians are animate Ken dolls, dressed up to suit any occasion & posed in front of exrtemely expensive stage sets with actual people as props (provided they've signed loyalty oaths first).

            Serious politicians stick their thumbs into sugar-laden birthday cakes and pretend to play guitar while American citizens starve, drown and die due to crimes of incompetence & cronyism.

            Serious politicians devote themselves to fundraising efforts while ostensibly 'in charge' of disaster management in devastated areas.

            Serious politicians haven't the courage or strength to face an honest American citizen and Gold Star Mother so that she may ask him a simple question.

            God bless you, Cindy. To hell with Rove & his assinine commentary.

          •  Well said (none)
            Your comments gave me pause to ponder about:

            What's the fear of many Dems to vote against legislation  that, I have every reason to believe, are fully aware it is most detrimental to the weaker/est of their constituents?(Not that the rest are immunized)

            Or is it greed for money/power via office holding?  YellowBellyness seems to me is the most likely explanation.

            I'm being harsh, I know, for there's every reason to fear the ? of Rove, as attested by so many, he's behind nastiness, he threads in evil.  Yeah, I understand very well the Dems predicament, a) stand up and fight and face the certain consequences? Or, b) let the instinct of self preservation prevail and face their political base?  
            Equally momentous options.

            Rove's words were interpreted in my awareness as if he had said dare show.  I looked up his quote again 'cause I'd swear that's the word he used, he didn't.

            I attribute my confusion to preconceived expectations, I know the repuks are not above threats or blackmail which they have used at least once, that I know of. (Medicare Legislation)

            "To forgive is not to forget. The merit lies in loving in spite of the vivid knowledge that the one that must be loved is not a friend.
            Mohandas Karamachand Gandhi"

            Be that as it may, we need to count.  
            "we must consider them serious about this movement"
            "so we can honor their presence"

            Yes, some deserve honor and I hereby profusely pile it on them.  Well done!  Thank you for your honorable service!

            We must also take names for election as our voter guides to remember the deserving, as well as the undeserving and also the new minds with conciences and cojones that we'll support to replace those that couldn't cut it and choked in the big play.

            By the record, our odds are better if more women were elected.

            •  This is the point... (none)
              not that Bush isn't serious- we know his plan was to hide in a Colorado bunker and come out and look presidential if possible.  Maybe that kidney stone is distracting Karl Rove, if he thinks this will work.  

              Rather, for me the question is, where are the serious Democrats- are they afraid of hanging with kooks? or nuns? or babies in strollers with a peace sign?  Or people wearing orange bandanas?  Or are they afraid of a confrontation with the 200-400 pro-war protestors?  Or the vets for peace?  Are they afraid they will be Kerried out of there?  When do they develop some spines?

              "At the very least, we should see to it that no one who works hard all week has to live in poverty and without access to good health care." William Raspberry

              by murrayewv on Sun Sep 25, 2005 at 08:33:24 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  Your're right (none)
                If a tree falls down in a forest and nobody is there to see it, does it make a sound?

                Your point and question are valid and totally relevant, however, even if the question is answered, all we'd have accomplished is understand why and probably how it happened.
                This we need to know also. I totally agree.

                But, where does that knowledge leave us?  In what way does this info furthers our cause for  peace and justice?

                Many serious Dems were screaming as we were, the MSM wasn't reporting it. They are still screaming as we are, and we're still not hearing it, for the most part.

                For me the question is not anymore the explanation or understanding, rather I feel we must focus on their record, time to tally the score for consideration on the mid-term elections of '06.

                Performance Evaluations - "Just the facts Ma'm" as Joe Friday would say.
                This is where the focus of the Dems' leadership failures should be.

                I'm looking forward when in a blog I see a comprehensive listing of their performance because, somewhere, some blogers are busy compiling the positions and voting records of all the Democrats for us to see who was truly representing our views and those who weren't.

                While at the same time we look around for their replacements if, when and where needed.

  •  I don't think George will be in either (none)
    the White House or Crawford long enough for such a center to get built, Cindy. He's crumpling rapidly. You have been right about him since day one. He is a very little man.

    I need to steal a good sig.

    by John West on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 09:55:57 PM PDT

  •  You Support the Troops (none)
    But Bush and the Republicans have all but forgotten them.

    Not all of us believe that we should immediately get up and leave Iraq. But you should be commended for taking a stand for what you believe in. Someone has to remind Bush that he committed us to this war without thinking through the consequences--or caring about what it means to people like you and your son.

    We are not forgetting you, no matter what comes up on the news or what the morons say about you. Every time I go down I-80 I think of you.

    Keep up the good work!

    Liberal Thinking

    Think, liberally.

    by Liberal Thinking on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 09:57:29 PM PDT

  •  Excellent speech and work today! (none)
    Thanks for all you have done!

    "I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully." - George W. Bush

    by chicagovigilante on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 09:58:22 PM PDT

  •  Hurricane Cindy (4.00)
    I dub thee

    You're getting stronger and stronger.

    You're a category 4 political windstorm.

  •  Are you speaking of Dr Strangerove? (4.00)


    "Generosity, Ethics, Patience, Effort, Concentration, and Wisdom"

    by Dood Abides on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 10:00:51 PM PDT

  •  Cindy, (4.00)
    You remind me of my grandmother. Grandma lost two sons during World War II, or thought she had. Her youngest son Kenny (my uncle) was shot down in a B-17 during an American bombing raid over Germany, and died a hero. Her other son Bob disappeared about a year before the war ended, but turned up in a POW camp at the end of the conflict. Bob had been taken prisoner, but no one knew, so he had been listed as missing in action. He survived -- barely -- but during that year Grandma had given him up for dead.

    As a child I would often witness Grandma crying herself to sleep, sobbing "No on should have to die that young. No one should have to die in a war!" She was terrifed that I would get drafted and sent to Vietnam, and often warned me not to go. She wanted to fight back, but she didn't know how.

    Thank you for fighting back.

    •  Very poetic but real (none)
      Democrats have always fought the good fight. They are a bit confused now some say shell shocked but we are recovering. Thanks to Kos, Mydd, etc. They are breathing life back into the Democratic family. Let's stop eating our own. Thanks Cindy
  •  Your work for humanity (4.00)

    Thanks for your work, towards the triumph of the human spirit and human community over Corporatism.

    Did Jesse say it today? Somehow, I know he did.

    'Keep hope alive'.

    Thank you, for helping to keep all of our hopes alive.

    "I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day." - Douglas Adams.

    by shpilk on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 10:05:47 PM PDT

  •  Thank you, Cindy, for Everything (none)
    Thank you, Cindy, for Everything!

    Jim Ferguson
    Seattle, WA

  •  For everything that you do (none)
    Thank you a million times and again.  We can not forget that no matter how little coverage the media gives, how often the facts are distorted, how vile we are portrayed, no matter what your religion, there is a right and a wrong.  I have seen comments that suggested that God must be on bush's side because of the timing of the events in this country... ie Rita hitting the same week end as the rally in DC. I could only hope that was a troll. But for anyone who may give that thought any creedence, have you ever though, maybe it is not God on the shrub's side?
  •  I Couldn't Be There (none)
     due to health reasons but I was with you in spirit and may God Bless you for all you do. Thank you!
  •  Thank you Cindy (4.00)
    We couldn't be there, but we were 1,000 + strong at Balboa Park here in San diego, and thought so much about you.  You're our gal!!  Andele Cindy!!

    Bush has got to go. Keep surfin, keep rockin, Baja Margie alias Pargie

    by Pargie on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 10:46:41 PM PDT

    •  also Albuquerque (none)
      thanks, Cindy, for your leadership on this issue.

      nearly 1,000 of us marched in Albuquerque - a big turnout for this town.  We got lots of honking horns and thumbs-up and peace signs flashed at us from the traffic on San Mateo (and a very few middle-fingers ,too).  

      It was a very positive experience, thanks for the inspiration.

  •  ANSWER anti-war petition link (none)
    If you would like to sign the petition to the President, Vice President, and Congress, follow this link:

    •  A-N-S-W-E-R SUCKS (none)
      I am tired of their Israeli bashing. I support the Palestinian not Hamas. Has the anti war movement become a forum of anti Israeli movement.  In the end Israel will withdraw to the 1967 borders. There is a time and a place for everything. Yesterday was not that time nor was the rally a place for ANSWER's venom against Israel.
  •  What an advantage, to not exist (4.00)
    in the conjured reality of Karl Rove, where nonexistent weapons panic us into self-defeating wars.
  •  ad for The Nation on MSNBC (4.00)
    ok, it's Sat. night and I've had 2 glasses of wine but I'm not hallucinating. I just saw an ad for The Nation on MSNBC, quite a long ad that showed lots of cover art bashing Bush.

    Some folks with serious money must be stepping up to the plate. MoveOn has also run anti-Bush ads (Bush as Misleader) on cable.

    "Bush don't need to be the president no more." Biloxi survivor, Sept. 1, 2005.

    by Hopeful in AZ on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 11:20:56 PM PDT

    •  Dems called me yesterday afternoon (none)
      to ask for contribution via phone.  I think they are hoping for people like me who want to support the peace movement to donate- coat-tails.  I gave s small donation, but until this year I haven't done this.  a bunch of small donations can make a difference.  

      "At the very least, we should see to it that no one who works hard all week has to live in poverty and without access to good health care." William Raspberry

      by murrayewv on Sun Sep 25, 2005 at 05:29:18 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Sleep well tonight, Cindy. (none)
    You, your country, and your son have already won. You've started something that will not stop until its job is done.

    I need to steal a good sig.

    by John West on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 11:48:23 PM PDT

  •  Diane Ibbotson on C-Span belittles Cindy Sheehan (none)
    She stated that they did find a WMD.
    Saddam Hussan--Did Saddam attack the U.S.A?
    Ms. Ibbotson said that all troops in Iraq are ALL VOLUNTEERS.
    Diane you are 100% wrong--I have family members who DID NOT VOLUNTEER FOR IRAQ.
    You side-stepped a question about Bush,s-- he is a certified deserter and if you do not know this you are not living in this world.,
    You did not qualify very many question--your favorite ploy.
    And by the way I gave some of my blood, sweat and many, many comrades in both wars, and I sure don,t need a grieving mother to tell me about what patriotism is.
  •  Dominators Fear the Dominated (4.00)
    The Oppressor Fears the Oppressed.

    We have them on the run now.  Corporatism will not bend humanity, or our economies to its own fashion without resistance.

    The battle has begun.  We know.  They know.  More of us know every day - the message is spreading, trickling through the fabric of communities like water over the cusp, or like the tendril roots of a great and massive tree.

    The people are beginning to say no more.

    No More:

    • war profiteering
    • doubletalk from elected officials
    • corporatism

    We have had enough.  George Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Condi, corporatists, oilagarchs, et al. listen up:

    May the steely echo of the door to your prison cell of greedy, malice and lies urge you to change course, your ways and awaken to a better, benefic reality.

    Come out.  Be real - be honest.  Do the world some good!

    Thanks Ms. Sheehan!

    "The secret of man's being is not only to live but to have something to live for." - Dostoyevsky

    by robolywa on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 11:59:07 PM PDT

  •  At Saturday's march (4.00)
    a security person came up to me and said that Jesse Jackson wanted my flag.  I was about to hand it to her when she said, "he wants YOU holding the flag behind him."  There was another fellow kossack, "frisco:, with a large flag who was told to go over as well.  We were right behind you as you made your trek to the White House.

    I was honored to be asked and I understood why I was being asked.

    We are AMERICANS doing something AMERICAN.  And the flag should always wave freely when people are exercising their rights.  I was proud to wave it today.

    And if I can extend my thanks to you...let me, for a moment.

    I live in DC and I've seen a lot of things on the Mall--
     - the last time the AIDS quilt was ever shown in public, it took up the entire length of the Mall from the Washington Monument to the Capitol.
     - last year's American Indian Museum celebration
     - shoes of children killed from gun violence
     - marches, protests, concerts
    you name it.

    Your encampment on the Mall is a place of peace and contemplation.  I was moved on my visit there this past Friday and moved once again on Saturday.

    I certainly hope you've found some meaning, purpose and fulfilment in these past few months.  I know there is no comfort, but know that there is deep appreciation and love from a grateful nation.

  •  Idea for future action (4.00)

    Check out the pics here posted by Dem in VA:

    What if, what if... at a certain point in the rally, people were given instructions to start counting, and lay down after their number...

    and count to 1900 -- or whatever the current number of dead troops is?

    How dynamic would that have been here in Seattle, as we were marching down the street? All of a sudden, we start dying, lie down until we reach 1900, then maybe 2-3 minutes more.

    Powerful image.

    Or maybe that's unworkable. Maybe people could volunteer to take pre-made numbers on slips of paper, 1-1917 (or whatever), then "die" at the same time, and stay down 5 minutes.

    In troubling times, it's good to read true stories about real people doing good things. HeroicStories, free

    by AllisonInSeattle on Sun Sep 25, 2005 at 12:40:27 AM PDT

    •  That's a great idea (none)
      if logistically impossible.  There was another shot in my album of the folks laying down - perhaps you linked the wrong one?

      They started yelling out to one another "OK everyone, get ready to do a die in.  Everyone, get ready for a Die In!"  Then, someone with a bullhorn counted down from 10 and 40 or so people dropped to the ground.  They were down for only 30-60 seconds when the countdown to get up was called.  It was right before we got to the White House.

  •  Thank you Cindy (none)
    We joined you in San Francisco, it was great!

    Thank you for accepting the lead. Your back is covered, I'm following you.

    Loved this line:

    "I may be a clown Karl, but you are about to be indicted."


    Albeit not an scientific MSNBC poll, I love the results -  Sun, Sept. 25, 2005 1:30AM PDT.

    Live Vote  
     Do you support President Bush's handling of Iraq?   * 147802 responses  



     Not sure

     Not a scientifically valid survey. Click to learn more."

    Peace and love for you, your family and for all of our sisters and brothers joined in solidarity for a true Noble Cause, Peace!

  •  Thank you for inspiring us (none)
    to hold our own rally in our little NH town yesterday. We had about 50 people which is a lot for us, and we had a good time, made some new friends, and decided we would make it a monthly event. We have a great high visibilty corner hallf way between the seacoast and the capitol of NH. And a local church has put up a peace pole of NH granite carved with the word peace in many languages. We will dedicate Oct. 23rd, and maybe that's a good day to do another rally! Thank you for showing the way and giving us hope.

    We believe in prosperity & opportunity, strong communities, healthy families, great schools, investing in our future and leading the world by example.

    by nhselectwoman on Sun Sep 25, 2005 at 04:12:33 AM PDT

  •  dear cindy, (none)
    thanks for the party. showed up with puddle, sylvienyc and agatha.  hope you don't mind that i brought these guys, too.

    we all had a great time, even though the party did have very serious overtones.  guess you can't be so light-hearted when so much is at stake.  the celebration will be for another time.

    let's do it again, f  

    •  democat (none)
      You Have Two Terrific Looking Poodles!

      After reading your reply I'll Place Bets you were the Couple we saw as we were crossing the street by Camp Casey Washington heading our Extremely Tired Bodies, from Thursday to Saturday heading back today, back to the car!!

  •  A simple challenge. (none)
    Let's just call out the pro war people to use everything they've got...wing nut radio, faux tv,even rove himself to put on a pro war rally...let us be the "counter rally" and just see in numbers who wins...we'd kick their pussy asses from here to kingdom come.
  •  From Nashville With Love (none)
    Thanks Cindy for being the light and heart that moves the masses. When we had the first vigil the people were of all ages standing in the pouring rain against this war. We could not be there this time but maybe the next.(We will do whatever it takes till the troops are home) In the mean time take care of yourself and know we are with you all the way.
  •  Rove "Unplugged" (none)
    For a good sense of where he is coming from and for an experience of hysterical laughter while a chill is going up your spine, go read or re-read this 2002 lecture delivered by him.

    A presidency driven to accept only what has been validated by focus groups and polls is a presidency that doesn't believe in the ability of leadership to change public opinion. A president focused on creating a legacy by adjusting what he does and says to what's acceptable to public opinion at that moment is a president focused on the wrong thing. History will make its own judgments. Long after a president has departed the White House, history will write a judgment about what the president does. President Bush is fond of saying that, in the short run, history always gets it wrong. He is also fond of telling a story about Sam Houston. Sam Houston was the only person in American history who was governor of two states and failed to serve out his term in either state. He was the governor of Tennessee in the 1830s, married a much younger woman (which is always a mistake) and was embarrassed by the marriage. History argues over exactly what happened. But, feeling embarrassed, he resigned his office and lit out for the Indian territory. He had been raised by the Indians at a young age and was given the name "The Raven." After he went back to live with the Indians after resigning, his name was "The Big Drunk." Ultimately, of course, he ended up in Texas. He was Texas's greatest hero. He won the Battle of San Jacinto to free us from the control of Mexico and was the second president of the independent republic, was its first United States senator, and in 1859, was elected governor of the state of Texas.

    He loved the Union. He was a follower of Andrew Jackson, and all his adult life labored to bring Texas into the United States. So when the election of 1860 occurred, he could not bring himself to sever Texas from the Union. A constitutional crisis occurred. A secession convention was called. The convention issued an order to every statewide elected official that every statewide official would have to sign an oath of loyalty to the Confederacy or their office would be declared vacant. Texas's greatest hero sat on the second floor of the governor's mansion and thought. The deadline came and went without Sam Houston signing the oath of loyalty to the Confederacy. His office was declared vacant, and his lieutenant governor was made governor. Houston packed up his belongings, loaded them in a wagon and left the governor's mansion to drive back to Huntsville,Texas. When the occupants of the State Capitol heard he was leaving town, they poured out of the State Capitol, lined the road, and hurled garbage and epithets at him as he left town - Texas's greatest hero. He died two years later. Virtually no one went to his funeral.

    In the short term, history said Sam Houston was a traitor to the cause of his state. But long term history has judged him to be what he was - a great man, of vision and leadership, who was willing to make the ultimate sacrifice for what he thought was right. And he could care less about public opinion. He once said,"Do right and damn the consequences."

    As for him, I think he belives that eventually Americans will erect a statue of him somewhere in Texas! Truly creepy & freakish ... and as Pelosi warned us already: "dangerous"!

    What can be done besides impeachment?

  •  Maybe my letters helped, too (4.00)
    I fired off 250 of them concerning the lack of coverage of the DC rally
  •  Karl: read your bible (none)

    The Good News Translation    

    James 1: 27
       What God the Father considers to be pure and genuine religion is this: to take care of orphans and widows in their suffering and to keep oneself from being corrupted by the world.


    _The poor object to being governed badly, while the rich object to being governed at all_ G.K. Chesterton

    by rosabw on Sun Sep 25, 2005 at 06:00:38 AM PDT

  •  Nice drawing from Le Monde (4.00)

    Greg Shenaut

  •  Cindy you help us believe (none)
    that GOOD will prevail.  EVIL will fail.
  •  In the words of J. Michael Straczynski.... (4.00)
    The end of Cindy's post made me think of one of my favorite television bits ever, from Babylon 5:

    "I don't quite know what to say... For the last year, things haven't exactly been going our way. I was starting to wonder if it would ever get better. I think it just did. Tell...everyone in this army of Light that Babylon 5 stands with you. Tell them... tell them that from this place, we will deliver notice to the parliaments of conquerers that a line has been drawn against the darkness, and we will hold that line, no matter the cost."

  •  "We Don't Exist" in the Corporate Media (none)
    either. I thought CNN is the_bigggggg_ liberal network? if so why the zero coverage of the march on Saturday?

    instead I saw continuous coverage of a "big" hurricane that turned into little more than a big rain and wind storm.. not even close to being as serious as Katrina.


  •  some people can't accept truth (4.00)
    I am former military and my brother is in now and heading back to Iraq in Nov. and my grandmother is worried sick which is understandable. However, anytime I mention this failed administration to people they look at me like I'm crazy. My own brother called me last night to ask me if I was ok because some of the emails I sent him made him think I was delusional. It disgusts me to no end to know that people let ignorance reign over intelligence. I have been saying these things for over 5 years. I begged people I knew not to vote for him and yet they did anyway. They still think he is better than Kerry "can you imagine what it would be like if he was President". My mother in law said this because he told people whatever they want to hear, but I pointed out to her that is what Bush does and she looked a little stunned. It was priceless but it won't change her mind right now. Either way I will continue to do my best to open people up to the truth. Thank you for this website it has saved my life and it's great to know people like Cindy Sheehan are working to get the word out.
  •  great post about Cindy Sheehan at Huff Post today (none)

    Where is the outcry in our media about all the lies and incompetence of this administration?  Is it really true that we have only entertainers but no journalists?  The working class is too busy working their asses off to sustain the "growth" to pay attention to the government that supposed to work for ? People can always find excuses to stay glued to the TV watching brain-dead shows instead of being a activist.  

  •  I bet (none)
    you don't realize that it was YOU that inspired many of these "non-existent" people to travel to Washington and participate in this very significat day.
  •  Cindy (none)
    It was so great seeing you at the demonstration yesterday. You and the demonstration were awesome. Final proof, if it were needed, that the tide has turned. Rove is living in denial. Let him as we roll over him and those who got us into this illegal and unjust war.

    Many an insightful opinion and observation can be found on my blog Occam's Razor.

    by Guy Noir on Sun Sep 25, 2005 at 07:20:24 AM PDT

  •  Well I'm glad you didn't (1.36)
    let "a little wind and rain" stop you.

    Hope the people suffering from Rita didn't cut into your precious media time.  What you said yesterday was unforgivable.

    •  How does one give (none)
      a troll rating?
      •  Just give a one (2.66)
        if you feel the need.

        I'm just still pissed off by this comment from yesterday.  But troll rate me if you feel the need to.

        •  The coverage of Rita was ridiculous (2.20)
          I know it is difficult to go through a hurricane, but if you want devastation and suffering Andrew and Katrina are two to look at.  Yes some people's lives are changed, but I must have missed the hundreds of square miles of houses leveled to the ground and the shots of people wading through wather up to their chins or starving for 4 days.

          Yesterday's coverage was 24 hours of journatlists sanding in a foot of water and hoping it would get worse so they could have something emotionally shocking to report. IT WAS ALL ABOUT RATINGS.

          The war protest should have been covered.

          Liberal, Christian, Feminazi, Mom.

          by TeresaInPa on Sun Sep 25, 2005 at 08:43:20 AM PDT

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    •  i apologized for that (2.20)
      when i was watching the news coverage yesterday morning, that is what was going on...yes it was horrible, but by protest time, i think we could have gotten some coverage for the biggest protest march since the war started.

      oh well, when i was watching cnn yesterday it was one man standing in front of a broken tree for 3 hours.

      the media will use any excuse not to cover the war or people who disagree with his royal highness george bush.

      •  just caught you on my local Baltimore station (none)
        Thanks, Cindy, you did a great job. I see they put another Gold Star Mother on after you, and was very disappointed in her views. She doesn't seem to think that an American can disagree with a President. When I see women like her, I just get so frustrated....

        "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." -- Sinclair Lewis

        by Dunbar on Sun Sep 25, 2005 at 07:46:09 AM PDT

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      •  I doubt the sinceriety. (1.60)

        He makes a good point.

        And as a person who lived through hurricanes Jeanne and Frances, I must say you haven't the slightest idea what these storms can do.

        I understand you're sympathetic for those in Iraq suffering under the foot of a war started on questionable grounds, but what makes those in Texas and Louisiana any less worthy of their lives that you're going to show this kind of callous disinterest?

        •  I happen to know your right wing leanings (2.00)
          so I doubt your sincerity on this topic.

           BTW, I lived through Andrew, so I win the battle of worst hurricane suffering until someone from NO comes along to dispute my status.

          ps... there is no reason for the excessive coverage Rita got.  The anti war rally should have gotten equal time.

          Liberal, Christian, Feminazi, Mom.

          by TeresaInPa on Sun Sep 25, 2005 at 08:50:26 AM PDT

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          •  That statement is comical (3.00)
            His right leanings.


          •  What do my other beliefs have to do with... (2.16)
   opinion on Cindy Sheehan's wreckless dismissal of the victims of Rita?  If we're going to try to save Iraqis from war, why not save Texans and Louisianans from hurricanes?  What makes one group that has been under assault for years take priority over a group of our OWN getting killed at this moment, right now and in need of attention after a recent federal foul-up over Katrina?

            As for the anti-war rally, no one is getting killed or injured over in that protest.  Why should a disaster be silenced over a political demonstration?

            •  Come on ... (4.00)
              One person appears to have died as a direct result of Rita. Meanwhile, yesterday in Iraq the following occurred:

              One US soldier killed by roadside bomb in Baghdad.

              Heavy fighting continues in Ramadi.

              Two Iraqi policemen killed, five wounded in Baghdad car bombing.

              Iraqi Ministry of the Interior assassinated in Baghdad.

              Immigration Ministry official escapes assassination attempt in Baghdad, four guards killed.

              One child killed, two policemen and two civilians killed by car bomb in Musayyib.

              Fighting continues in Dhuluiyah.

              Not that you would know any of that by watching cable network news. I applauded the cable news coverage of Katrina and its aftermath, because that turned out to be a hugely important story. Rita was simply not as important a story. It should have been well covered, of course, but this wall-to-wall coverage in search of a piece of easily digested drama where all you have are some flooded houses, downed power lines, and broken tree limbs is a bit much. It's not just that cable news doesn't cover the anti-war movement. It's that they are lazy and inattentive, and don't cover much at all. Every now and then, as during Katrina, it just so happens that their coverage, by shear accident, turns into real journalism, and cable newsmen turn into real journalists. I just wish that more generally they could cover the real news and not just follow one story at a time, whether it be Rita or the missing Holloway girl.

              •  I think it stems (2.50)
                from the fact that it was a Category 5 relatively soon before its landfall.  It looked like another Katrina story.  News people have to make those calls, so they sent their crews and all teh money down to cover it, then the storm petered out.  

                However, it was still a big storm with a lot of damage, with at least 30 deaths now attributed to it (as per ABC Radio news).  Its a big damned story.

      •  Yes, You Did.... (3.50)
        ...and you needed to.

        Watch your tongue, girlfren'.  Your emotional nature drives you, but it also trips you up.  Tease out the passion and leave the verbal aspect of the smartass behind.

        Do the clown nose thing.  It's silent, speaks volumes and is so in-your-face that the entire world will rise to their feet to support you.

        Rosa Parks AND Abbie Hoffman in the same body.  Tom Hayden was there, too, and I'm sure he'd love the concept art of it all.  Give him something to do...he looks all lonely and left behind by the headlong rush of it all.

        See if you can't come up with an "official" Cindy Sheehan rubber clown nose (with and without glasses) and have it on the shelves by the beginning of the month.  It's something that we ALL can do to show our support for you and raise a little money while we're raising some consciousness.

        Imagine an entire SEA of people behind Shrub all of the sudden putting on their rubber clown noses for the entire country to see!  The joy of it all!!

    •  why don't you explain yourself? (4.00)
      snarky comment with no explanation. What exactly pissed you off and why don't you explain yourself?

      Therefore, this is a troll comment, pure and simple.

      "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." -- Sinclair Lewis

      by Dunbar on Sun Sep 25, 2005 at 07:43:43 AM PDT

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  •  Karl's World (none)
    Karl Rove's quasi-delusional comments reflect his inner wishes. He would prefer that you were a clown because a clown is someone who is not taken seriously. He is unhappy that so many people do take you seriously and find your message to ring true. Better then to deny the existence of these people. How convenient for Karl to be able to shape reality to his liking!
  •  Not a troll (3.50)
    I am sorry for not having a point or explanation and I am upset. The point I guess is I don't like the msm being controlled by government therefore "dumbing down" the public who don't take the initiative to find their on news and just believe what they see on tv. I mainly wanted to convey that I like this site and am a supporter of what Cindy Sheehan is standing up for. You are very offensive when you accuse someone of being something they are not. Yet you claim to want free speech and you rate me on my anger. Well I have the right to be angry about what is going on in this country. Rate me how you want if it makes you feel better.  Once again I apologize for not making a better point.
    •  You weren't troll-rated and you aren't now. (none)
      Thanks for your comments, and your courage in converations.

      I'm guessing that you mistook the previous number of ratings (1) in your earlier post for the rating itself, which was a (4). Single ratings don't show, to avoid giving one person too much influence.

      If you click on the rating itself, you can see more detail displayed at the bottom of your post.

  •  Common sense and plain speaking (4.00)
    Cindy:  Thanks so much for your plain speaking and clear message.  Thomas Paine couldn't have done better.  If we get a path out of this mess and into a better world it will be the Founding Mothers who lead us there.  It is time for the machismo to be tempered with mercy, and for a mother's love to provide the leadership, rather than the stern fathers.  If we support and love our troops, we will bring them home; if we support and love America as you clearly do we will make our voices heard.  

    Democrats give you the Bill of Rights; Republicans sell you a bill of goods!

    by barbwires on Sun Sep 25, 2005 at 08:53:05 AM PDT

  •  CINDY (none)
  •  You EXIST (none)
    But as a sort of unfocused view through a telescope while looking though the wrong end.

    I hate so say it, but this movement has become an attempts to deal with every issue, everything describes as an injustice and rather than create the conditions for removing troops, sort of fosters the image that conservatives make of progressives as fuzzy headed sorts who get emotional at trimes when clear thinking is needed.

    Conservatives took over this nations ONE ISSUE at a time. Until that had it all.

    Deocrats and Progressives have tro choose ONE issue, unite on the one issue, and go with it. Focus on it with laser like intensity until we cut through ALL arguments againt that issue.

    WE need to do ONE THING AT A TIME, DO IT VERY WELL, and then move on to the next thing.

    In every endevour, this makes the diference between success and failure.

    As in major surgery it takes that sort of action for the patient to either live or die

    In something as critical as the Iraq War, and the deaths  there, it is FAR more critical to focus in this OPERATION and this OPERATION alone.

  •  Keeping the spark alive (none)
     I would like to see a little stronger organization and discipline in the Peace Movement.

     My dream is that someone with a political voice would step up to the podium and start to take some leadership.

    inspire change...don't back down

    by missliberties on Sun Sep 25, 2005 at 09:20:49 AM PDT

  •  The anti-Cindy rally (none)
    Right now on C-Span has a whopping 500-1000.  Cindy, you turned the tide. There's no doubt that a year ago, the numbers at each rally might have been reversed.  It's pitiful to hear them trying to beat up on you under the guise of "supporting the troops." also has video going on right now of the weak rally.

    "Bush should've hired Fed-Ex. They know when it has to be there overnight."

    by MissAnneThrope on Sun Sep 25, 2005 at 09:41:22 AM PDT

  •  asdf (4.00)
    Cindy Sheehan wrote:
    "It is also so incredible to me that Karl thinks that he can wish us away by saying we aren't real."

    Karl has been trying to minimize, marginalize and wish away half of this nation since the 2000 election.

  •  Thanks Cindy, (none)
    I was one of the Daily Kos people who marched near you near the WH; Jesse had one of our kossacks with an American flag march behind you and I was with her.

    Toward the end of the day I asked someone to drop some copies of The Onion at the Camp Casey tent, that had a funny (and I thought very flattering) frontpage article about you. Hope you got those, I brought them with me from Madison, WI.

  •  You ARE the light, Cindy... (none)
    ...and his Roverness is the Prince of Darkest Darkness.  He's a sad, bitter, power-hungry man and if one believes in the power of good over evil, we will prevail.

    God Bless You.

    "The responsibility of government for the public safety is absolute and requires no mandate." -Winston Churchill

    by hopesprings on Sun Sep 25, 2005 at 11:32:02 AM PDT

  •  right to be angry (none)
    I agree that we all should be sensitive to the sufferings that are going on in this country. There are so many good reasons to be angry about.  Let's turn our anger into actions.  We can, despise some differences, work together for the important goals. Let's not waste our precious energy in fighting occasionally angry but careless comments. Cindy is not a politician (thank goodness) after all and has   no speech writers. She apologized and I accept.
  •  Can someone tell me (none)
    What do these rallies accomplish? Cindy did a great job calling attention to the war by simply stand outside Bush's door and waiting to be invited in. Along with the vigils, it was a fresh, out-of-the-box move that got a lot of attention and may have turned a lot of the public against the way.

    But someone tell me, what on earth does a rally in DC accomplish, when there are rallies in DC every other weekend. Sure, they make for good pictures, but no one pays attention to yet another rally. It seemed like the Peace Movement decided it was time to step back into the box  and try the safe, familiar technique on talking to ourselves. Why did we have to hold it in DC? Why not take it to a red city like Colorado Springs or Charleston, SC. That would get attention. How about progressives of faith holding vigils outside the megachurches of pro-war ministers like Jerry Falwell?

    Gathering in DC and talking to ourselves may feel good, but it's talking to the rest of the coutnry that will win in the end. Cindy, I love you, but these are dire times, we need to stay bold the way you idd during that hot month in Crawford.

    "We must all hang together or assuredly we will all hang seperately." - Ben Franklin

    by RandyMI on Sun Sep 25, 2005 at 12:14:55 PM PDT

  •  The Unasked Question in Media (none)
    See reports below and  ask yourself--"Is the anti-war feeling much stronger than is being reported?" If these numbers are representative of the popular attitude, why aren't the polls reflecting this? Let's say only 100,000 showed up for anti-war and let's say that maybe 5000 people showed up for pro-war; That's still 95% who want the war to stop.  I think the polls are badly constructed.  The best poll numbers I have seen anti-war are about 61%.  Anybody else following this??

    It gets more interesting if we use the numbers reported below, we get 150,000 to 400 -- a 300:1 ratio or 99.99%.  The numbers are reported in obscure  ways (check headlines for pro-war article, way to go AP) with no pickup by mainstream media. When I studied journalism, we were taught to analyze by divining "what was the unasked question?" In this case, I think why did nobody compare the turnouts and ask the question -- once again -- "Is the anti-war feeling much stronger than is being reported?"

    Praise, Anger at Pro-War Rally in D.C.

    By ELISABETH GOODRIDGE,Associated Press Writer

    WASHINGTON (AP) -- Support for U.S. troops fighting abroad mixed with anger toward anti-war demonstrators at home as hundreds of people, far fewer than organizers had expected, rallied Sunday on the National Mall just a day after a massive protest against the war in Iraq.About 400 people gathered near a stage on an eastern segment of the mall, a large photo of an American flag serving as a backdrop. Amid banners and signs proclaiming support for U.S. troops, several speakers hailed the effort to bring democracy to Iraq and Afghanistan and denounced those who protest it.

    September 25, 2005 : National News  

    Big Antiwar Rallies Held in U.S., U.K.
    By Ryan G. Murphy, Emma Vaughn and David Pierson, Times Staff Writers

    Capping a summer of rising discontent with the war in Iraq, tens of thousands of protesters marched through cities across the nation Saturday to demand the immediate withdrawal of U.S. forces.

    Crowds shrugged off chilly rains and breakdowns in public transportation to greet Cindy Sheehan and her traveling antiwar vigil in Washington. In Los Angeles, actors and politicians led a long procession of protesters through downtown. And in San Diego, war veterans were among the thousands who gathered at a peaceful rally at a park. Thousands also protested in London.

    Organizers said more than 200,000 people turned out in Washington for the peaceful event, calling it the largest protest in the capital since the war began in March 2003. D.C. Police Chief Charles Ramsey said the group had probably reached its goal of 100,000. (NOTE: Understandingly, organizers now say over 350,000 showed up; Chief says he thinks maybe 150,0000; nobody knows because budget cuts have stopped Park Service from providing these numbers as they did back in the day.  Permits were issued for minimum of 100,000 for the Saturday event.)


    (Haraz N. Ghanbari / AP)
    September 24

  •  Viva la Cindy! (none)
    Cindy Sheehan you are an inspiration.  Not because of where, or to who, you were born.  Not even because of the tragic circumstances that have brought you to the fore (though I no less admire you for how you've weathered Casey's death).  What I find most inspirational is that despite all the flak that is thrown at you, you continue to have the will to stand up and shout truth to power.

    I wish I could have met you at the March on Saturday.  You passed within a few feet of me near the White House, but being that close to you helped lift my heart, and gave me more courage to march on.

    Keep up the fight.  We'll be with you.

    When I must guard my thoughts, feelings and words, lest I be unpatriotic...then my country is lost

    by crimsonscare on Sun Sep 25, 2005 at 01:02:20 PM PDT

  •  Don't Stop! (none)
    Amazing! It seems that you are really getting somewhere. When a person such as Karl Rove calls you a "Clown" you know you are anthing but a "Clown".

    His best option would have been to shut his big mouth. But what else can you expect of scum of his caliber. Take it as a compliment and the sign that you are on the right track.

    Don't Stop! You've score a number of direct hits that even thier monster media machine is having a hard time dismissing as "insignificant".

    Hard facts and evidence will break the death grip these people have on America, but the names they call you can never hurt you. (old saying paraphrased about sticks and stones.)

    "We drew the line in the sand, and like the fools they are, they stepped into the abyss." HMSJO

    by hmsjo on Sun Sep 25, 2005 at 01:40:56 PM PDT

  •  Rove (none)
    Don't even get excited about anything Karl says.  He is sick of looking at his own clown in the mirror.  Mr. No-neck Turdblossom, has spun his last web if lies.  He will screw himself over Katrina because he just thinks he is better than everyone else.  That attitude will get him.  God will get the lying bastard.Snark snark
  •  Cindy... (none)
    you are the face of the silent American majority. Please keep up the patriotic work.

    "The problem in defense is how far you can go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without." Dwight D. Eisenhower

    by RichardG on Sun Sep 25, 2005 at 02:22:38 PM PDT

  •  Nelson Mandela, Cindy Sheehan, Jon Stewart... (none)
    ... you are my living heroes. I am so proud of you.
  •  Photo's From Washington 9/24/2005 (none)
    Camp Casey Washington, WWII Memorial, Lisa-- Myself and Harry Belafonte, Cindy's & Gold Star Mom's Press Conferance 9/23/2005

    See the photos here:

    Candle Lite Vigil and Procession to 'The Wall' on Friday Night 9/23/2005 Washington DC, from Camp Casey Washington!! [These, because of night are Dark,the Little Lights you see in Complete darkness were some 300 to 400 People in Silent Procession for some 5 blocks to the Vietnam Memorial on Friday Night!!

    James Starowicz USN '67-'71 GMG3 Vietnam In-Country '70-'71 COMNAVFORV Member: Veterans For Peace

    See the photos here:

    Washington Rally 9/24/2005 Album1

    See the photos here:

    Washington Rally 9/24/2005 Album2

    See the photos here:


    Mankind must put an end to war, or war will put an end to mankind...War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today."

    John F. Kennedy



    James Starowicz
    VFP 'Declaration Of Impeachment'
    Sign On and Pass Link To Others
    USN '67-'71 GMG3 Vietnam In-Country'70-'71 COMNAVFORV
    Member: Veterans For Peace

    "We, having dutifully served our nation, do hereby
    affirm our greater responsibility to serve the cause
    of world peace by applying the concept of engaging
    conflict peacefully, without violence."  

  •  Crawford (none)

    What's happening in Crawford since you left?  I heard that the county government has banned parking near the ranch but that camping was still allowed.  Is anyone holding the fort?

    Thank you for your brave patriotism.

  •  Just Remember What We Talked About... (none)
    ...because they will make you feel like a martyr when you really aren't.

    You've simply reached the end of your rope and have nothing left to lose.  It's not martyrdom unless you're giving up something worthy of value.  What Bush has left us all with is vomit.

    These rich elitists really don't know how to deal with people who fight because they have nothing left to lose, nothing left to value and plenty of life left to live.

    Everyone needs to prepare themselves to sell out as Cindy has done here.  It's fourth down and 1, and we're inside the 1 yard line looking to score a big one for the human species, not to mention the US of A.

    Raise hell until it cinges the little curly hairs on the butts of these monsters.  Every last one of them.

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