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Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 10:02:38 PM PDT

For those of you who hate the ads, you now have the ability to turn them off by buying a subscription.

Once you have purchased a subscription, you can turn the ads on and off at will. Note, there are no other benefits to subscriptions, since I don't want to create two classes of Kossacks -- those with cool features and the riffraff without.

There's no reason to feel compelled to pay for a subscription. I don't need the money. But note that every dime from those subscriptions will be reinvested into making this a cooler and more kickass site.

Update by ct: It was inevitable that there would be a hiccup, but it's ironed out now. The link to turn ads on and off is now working correctly.

Update II by kos: I'm reminded of a promise I once made. Those old-timers who previously contributed to the site in one of those fundraisers back in 2003 get lifetime subscriptions. Please use the Contact page to email me your user name and email address you used when making the contribution.

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  •  so how do I pay for the subscription? (none / 0)

    by Tom Kertes on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 09:48:56 PM PDT

    •  duh - click the link? (none / 0)

      by Tom Kertes on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 09:49:14 PM PDT

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      •  everyone who is able to should donate, but... (none / 0)

        ...turning off the ads is easy.

        first, download and install firefox

        second, right-click on the ads in the sidebar and check the 'block ads from...' option.

        reload the page.  viola.

        that said, everyone should take the time to support the causes that they believe in.  This includes dKos.

        cd

        by creativedissonance on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 10:34:48 PM PDT

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        •  kos has asked us not to do this... (none / 0)

          ...but the procedure is sound for turning off ads on other obnoxious sites like yahoo mail, hotmail, etc.  Yeah, they're 'advertising supported' services, but who doesn't like a free lunch ;-)

          by creativedissonance on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 10:39:40 PM PDT

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          •  Should we click on the ads? (none / 0)

            I know kos gets paid buy the week or month and not per click.  But I was wondering, do the sites keep track of how many click throughs they get?

            by qw3rty on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 10:51:18 PM PDT

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          •  2cents (none / 0)

            I feel that sites that want to maintain a political position - a particulary ethical one or ones, should make a strong effort to support themselves and not take ad revenue.  

            I think Kos should do more fund raisers and have a donate link.  I know for me I am always willing to give money at those times or just donate when I feel I have the money than pay a subscription.  But Kos should use all these tools.

            I also happen to feel, and I think there is a strong arguement to be made that blocking ads is probably a great way to reduce or contain corporate influence of the internet in general.  I block everything everywhere.  But I also donate widely.

            onnyturf.com - Political and Community Coverage of NYC

            by atomicBirdsong on Thu Jan 20, 2005 at 05:27:37 AM PDT

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        •  Firefox+AdBlocker (none / 0)

          I never look at ads or annoying graphics. I've often wondered what the future of BlogAds will be like, considering the popularity of Firefox and AdBlocker.

          I put Google Ads on my site once, but I have them blocked! I should just get rid of them. I'll have to figure out how to do without the 47 cents a month they were generating.

          Tex MacRae

          AntiWar.com and UnFairWitness

          by textextex on Thu Jan 20, 2005 at 07:23:09 AM PDT

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          •  Firefox + AdBlock is a great tool (none / 0)

            With the AdBlock extension you can block not just images, but also flash ads, javascript files, iframes, and all the other nasty tricks third-party advertisers use to make sites unusable.  Don't like doubleclick.net or sitemeter.com knowing where you've been?  AdBlock can do that.

            Of course if you're blocking ads on dKos, you should think about sending some money Kos' way to support the site.

            "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful. And so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people. And neither do we." - W.

            by ckerr on Thu Jan 20, 2005 at 11:33:11 AM PDT

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          •  Indeed. (none / 0)

            I'm rocking this setup right now and haven't seen a blogad since I installed it. It's wierd to see them when I have to use computers with IE.

            by Max2k on Thu Jan 20, 2005 at 05:09:50 PM PDT

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  •  Sounds reasonable. This site I am (none / 0)

    happy to support. And those ads totally suck.  

    by Tom Kertes on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 09:50:32 PM PDT

  •  Very Cool (none / 0)

    I like the idea. The fact that subscribed users don't have extra powers/abilities is a really good idea, and even though I plan to subscribe, I hope you keep it that way.

    by Juppon Gatana on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 09:51:54 PM PDT

  •  Damn, I just noticed the (none / 0)

    "turn ads off" thing.

    I'll have to think about it.

    But Markos, I worship you for getting rid of the "lipstick on a pig" ad.

    That one fucking SUCKED.  Or snorted.  Or kissed... or... well, anyway.

    Thank you.


    There is only one "bug killer" that will work on "Oil Maggots"-- Hydrogen. -- edscan

    by Plutonium Page on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 09:52:44 PM PDT

    •  Dirty mouth, Pagey! (none / 0)

      Was that the f-bomb?

      I'm shocked and dismayed!

      <wink>

      "Don't worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will bring its own worries. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Matthew 6:34

      by Jonathan4Dean on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 09:56:04 PM PDT

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      •  I often say "fuck", especially (none / 0)

        on the eve of the inauguration of the worst president in U.S. history.

        <grin>


        There is only one "bug killer" that will work on "Oil Maggots"-- Hydrogen. -- edscan

        by Plutonium Page on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 09:58:21 PM PDT

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        •  Oh c'mon (none / 1)

          What about William Henry Harrison? The guy served a month, and he had serious pnemonia through his entire term! What a LOSER!

          George W. Bush is a close "fuckin'" second.

          "Don't worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will bring its own worries. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Matthew 6:34

          by Jonathan4Dean on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 10:28:17 PM PDT

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          •  Ulysses S Grant (none / 0)

            Worst.President.Ever.

            Although the parallels between the two are rather shocking, come to think of it.  Both were cardboard cutouts put up by a political machine, both administrations were marred by obscene graft and corruption, both tried to used a partisan press outlet to control dissent, each ruled with the mandate of a geographically narrow constituency...

            and they were both drunks.

            "Any single man must judge for himself whether circumstances warrant obedience or resistance to the commands of the civil magistrate" John Locke

            by TheGryphon on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 10:58:28 PM PDT

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            •  At least Grant (none / 0)

              was a successful General.

              I don't know what Bush has been successful at, except winning elections by suspect margins.

              "Don't worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will bring its own worries. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Matthew 6:34

              by Jonathan4Dean on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 11:02:20 PM PDT

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            •  no... (none / 0)

              george.  w.  bush.

              worst.  president.  ever.

              skippy the bush kangaroo in blogtopia! and yes! we coined that phrase!

              by skippy on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 11:03:25 PM PDT

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            •  Holy Shit (none / 0)

              No offense, but comparing Bush to Grant is pretty uninformed. Have you ever read his memoirs? Grant was a great man.

              Everybody dies alone.

              by Armando on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 11:04:22 PM PDT

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              •  Grant was a brilliant general (none / 0)

                he was also a drunk, and his memoires are very open about that.  I was also comparing Grant's administration to Bush's, which is not the same thing at all as comparing Grant to Bush.  I would like to point out that all of the things I siad above are true and verifiable and one more thing:  Both men were "damp" drunks who obtained "abstinence " after "embracing" fundamentalist Christianity.  

                Draw your own conclusions.

                "Any single man must judge for himself whether circumstances warrant obedience or resistance to the commands of the civil magistrate" John Locke

                by TheGryphon on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 11:08:54 PM PDT

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              •  It's very informed, Armando (none / 0)

                Grant is ranked by historians as one of the worst PRESIDENTS in American history.

                As a General, he was superb.

                The two aspects of his life have nothing to do with each other.

                "Don't worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will bring its own worries. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Matthew 6:34

                by Jonathan4Dean on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 11:11:41 PM PDT

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                •  I don't give a shit (none / 0)

                  Therswe dsame historian are the ones who made the3 myth of the Lost Cause.

                  Read the recent scholarship and you will see that that is no longer the case.

                  The historiagraphy (sp) that built up Lee and the Lost Cauise necessarily had to knock down his rival Grant. You've been manipulated by politically motivated historians my friend. The recent scholarship does much to correct this false history you have accepted.

                  Everybody dies alone.

                  by Armando on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 11:15:17 PM PDT

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                  •  Er (none / 0)

                    First line was supposed to be  - "these same damn historians created the myth of Lee and the Lost Cause" and the awfulness of Reconstruction.

                    Everybody dies alone.

                    by Armando on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 11:16:37 PM PDT

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                    •  What was Reconstruction (none / 0)

                      a picnic?

                      "Don't worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will bring its own worries. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Matthew 6:34

                      by Jonathan4Dean on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 11:25:08 PM PDT

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                      •  No, A Policy (none / 0)

                        Those poor white folks. The KKK had a point didn't they?

                        Everybody dies alone.

                        by Armando on Thu Jan 20, 2005 at 07:09:46 AM PDT

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                        •  You know what? (none / 0)

                          I oppose decent people being harmed, regardless of their racial or social situation, their gender, or their sexuality.

                          Women and children, and even pro-Union Southerner men, were harmed by Sherman's march to the sea and the Reconstruction period that followed.

                          "Don't worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will bring its own worries. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Matthew 6:34

                          by Jonathan4Dean on Thu Jan 20, 2005 at 12:14:49 PM PDT

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                    •  Um (none / 0)

                      whos a revisionist now?  Reconstruction was terrible.  It had to be.  Ruthless supression was the only alternative for the union.  I say this as  a proud Southerner.  What the Union did in the south during reconstruction was almost as terrible, in its way, as the way we have treated the Native Americans.  It was an ugly period of our history.  To deny that is to deny all scholarship up to the modern day.  I don't just mean the Sothern apologists...if possible, I despise them more than you yankees.  

                      "Any single man must judge for himself whether circumstances warrant obedience or resistance to the commands of the civil magistrate" John Locke

                      by TheGryphon on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 11:36:26 PM PDT

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                      •  High five to Gryphon (none / 0)

                        We Southerners have to stick together.

                        Most people don't realize that we've had the Civil War soaked into our bloodstreams from birth.

                        Just about every history class I took tediously went over the reasons for the war, the South's mistakes, the South's victories, Reconstruction, the horrors of slavery, post-war Presidents, etc.

                         

                        "Don't worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will bring its own worries. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Matthew 6:34

                        by Jonathan4Dean on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 11:55:25 PM PDT

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                        •  WTF? (none / 0)

                          Tediously went over the reasons - and you absorbed not one goddamn lesson.

                          Yes those tedious reasons for the war -like SLAVERY. Proud of that tradition?

                          I said it before and I'll say it now -until Southerners learn to be ASHAMED of their racial legacy, we can't win in the South.

                          Everybody dies alone.

                          by Armando on Thu Jan 20, 2005 at 07:08:56 AM PDT

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                          •  You my friend... (none / 0)

                            are over-reacting.

                            Chill out.

                            If you can point to some substantial things that Grant did as President, let us know.

                            If you can marginalize the scandals, let us know.

                            And finally, the history curriculum in the South OVEREMPHASIZES the civil war. It does. A million years of history happened before the Civil War and 200 years have happened since.

                            I'm not saying I don't cringe at slavery, racism, and segregation. If you believe that I do, then you don't know me at all.

                            You're just throwing accusations around to draw attention to yourself.

                            "Don't worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will bring its own worries. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Matthew 6:34

                            by Jonathan4Dean on Thu Jan 20, 2005 at 12:02:53 PM PDT

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                      •  Terrible to who? (none / 0)

                        Not to the African-Americans.

                        You say what you say as a Lost Cause adherent and blind worshiper of Lee.  You're honest though, I'll give you that.

                        Everybody dies alone.

                        by Armando on Thu Jan 20, 2005 at 07:06:56 AM PDT

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                  •  Which recent scholarship? (none / 0)

                    I'm not trying to start a fight, but can you site some of this recent scholarship?  Does it refute his  alcoholism?  The corruption scandals in his administration?  

                    I don't deny he was great general.  He was Lee's (who was certainly less than perfect) perfect foil.  He was ruthless and logical...willing to spend men to win.  This is the combination that made him a great general.  He also gave his subordinates great latitude to take operational control and change the rules of engagement as necessary (unavoidable in a war on such a large scale without modern communications).  This was a personality trait that did not serve him well in the White House.  If there is legitimate evidence to the contrary, I would love to hear it.

                    "Any single man must judge for himself whether circumstances warrant obedience or resistance to the commands of the civil magistrate" John Locke

                    by TheGryphon on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 11:33:23 PM PDT

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                    •  Churchill was an alcoholic (none / 0)

                      Is that the sum of the man.

                      Are we discussing whose Administration was the most corrupt? Grant's Adminsitration is in the running then. Harding wins though. Bush's comes in the top 3. But there are others. Nixon certainly.

                      The whole picture is not that.  The Lost Cause would have it so.  Grant was a corrupt drunk.  Lee a pure noble saint and patriot. It is bullshit.

                      Everybody dies alone.

                      by Armando on Thu Jan 20, 2005 at 07:05:38 AM PDT

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                •  More than you think, actually... (none / 0)

                  the traits that made him a brilliant general were those that made him a terrible Presidnt.  He was BOLD and Decisive (didn't listen to dissenting positions), and TRUSTED HIS SUBORDINATES (so they screwed him in the presidency).  He was also very much the prisioner of the Railroad companies and other great unregulated monopolists of the era so far as policy was concerned.  There is much that is cautionary about Grant's administration...if only children were taught ACTUAL history in American Propoganda, er, History.

                  "Any single man must judge for himself whether circumstances warrant obedience or resistance to the commands of the civil magistrate" John Locke

                  by TheGryphon on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 11:18:46 PM PDT

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                  •  Heh (none / 0)

                    Think you are a bit of a prisoneer of the Lost Cause historians' propaganda my friend.

                    Everybody dies alone.

                    by Armando on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 11:22:19 PM PDT

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                    •  Actually Armondo (none / 0)

                      I don't assume that just because he kept the union together (much moreso than Lincoln, actually) that he was made of marble.  The thing to understand about history is that it is the story of people.  Flawed humans who did their best...which was sometimes not too good, even when they were heros.  

                      "Any single man must judge for himself whether circumstances warrant obedience or resistance to the commands of the civil magistrate" John Locke

                      by TheGryphon on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 11:25:33 PM PDT

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                      •  Opinions and Facts (none / 0)

                        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulysses_Grant

                        "Grant's presidency was plagued with the suspicion of scandal, especially the Whiskey Ring fraud in which over $3 million in taxes were taken from the federal government. Orville E. Babcock, the private secretary to the President, was indicted as a member of the ring and escaped conviction only because of a presidential pardon. After the Whiskey ring, Grant's Secretary of War William W. Belknap was involved in an investigation which revealed that he had taken bribes in exchange for the sale of Native American trading posts. Although there is no evidence that Grant himself profited from corruption among his subordinates, he did not take a firm stance against malefactors and failed to react strongly even after their guilt was established.

                        Grant was peripherally involved in the matter of Edgardo Mortara, sending a plea to Pope Pius IX to allow the boy to return to his parents.

                        Grant was known to visit the Willard Hotel to escape the stress of the White House. He referred to the people who approached him in the lobby as "those damn lobbyists," possibly giving rise to the modern term lobbyist.

                        "Don't worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will bring its own worries. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Matthew 6:34

                        by Jonathan4Dean on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 11:27:44 PM PDT

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                      •  Much more so than Lincoln? (none / 0)

                        So the guy who led the Army of the Traitors was the True Patriot?  Nice to meet you Mr. Southall Freeman.

                        You gotta be kidding me.

                        Everybody dies alone.

                        by Armando on Thu Jan 20, 2005 at 07:01:58 AM PDT

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              •  I'd be a great man (none / 0)

                too, if I wrote my own memoirs.  I can just see the opening sentance: " A star appeared in the East, one February morning...."  

                I would take what historical figures write about themseleves with a great deal of skepticism.

                Grant's Civil War exploits can be catagorized by slow start, flashes of brilliance, and at the end he was riding the crest of the inevitablility wave of Union success.  Grant's Presidency was almost parallel to GWB.  Two terms based on some reputation from a previous job.  Installation of cronies and party hacks into key administrative jobs, and complete compliance to the neo-cons of his day.

                But, I think Lyndon Johnson was a great man..selling out his heritage to further civil rights thus costing his Party the support of the majority in most of the South for a generation or two.  So, greatness must be a matter of opinion.

                "I do think it is kind of sad when everybody who owns a laptop thinks they are Thomas Paine" Redlief take on Helen Thomas, 2008

                by redlief on Thu Jan 20, 2005 at 05:45:24 AM PDT

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                •  Bwahaha (none / 0)

                  Geez that's a stupid thing to write. You can write your own memoirs. In fact, no one else can write your memoirs.

                  You a great man?  Didn't think so.

                  A non-snarky point,who were  the neocons of Grant's day? Other non-snarky point - wave of inevitability? When did that wave came up?

                  Let me guess, Lee was the greatest American ever, the South is misunderstood.  The Lost Cause. Sheesh. You must be a descendant of Jubal Early.

                  Everybody dies alone.

                  by Armando on Thu Jan 20, 2005 at 07:00:26 AM PDT

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                  •  Thinks for the reply (none / 0)

                    I always wonder what people think about my comments, so I welcome your response.

                    My point wasn't if I could write my own memoirs. I took issue with your statement in the original post that you consider Grant to be a great man, because of what you read in his memoirs.  A person like Grant, writing about himself, might be tempted to put himself in the best light.

                    Now, if I thought your original post was brilliant or stupid or a measure in between, I make no such claim.  This blog has always prided itself on an elevated level of discourse.

                    Some of the neo-cons of Grant's days were Senator H. Wilson, his vice president and a Know-nothing hold over and supporter of Thadeus Stevens' Radical Republicans post war.  William Buckingham, Aaron Cragin, Zachariah Chandler.  Many of Grant's cabinet appointee's  were defeated Senators like Chandler.

                    The wave of inevitablity came at Gettysburg and the fall of Vicksburg.  Grant was in charge of the seige of Vicksburg, his primary duties being denying Vicksburg a source of food and insuring his own source of bourbon.

                    As to Lee, I believe him to be a traitor to his country, and I would have executed him.

                    Maybe you should write your memoirs.  Your writing skills far exceed your reading abilities.

                    "I do think it is kind of sad when everybody who owns a laptop thinks they are Thomas Paine" Redlief take on Helen Thomas, 2008

                    by redlief on Fri Jan 21, 2005 at 06:03:22 PM PDT

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          •  9 days (none / 0)

            he served.

            Everybody dies alone.

            by Armando on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 11:05:34 PM PDT

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        •  Too fucking right. (none / 0)

          It fucking sucks that we fucking re-elected that fucking stupid, evil motherfuck of a fuckstick!

          Whew. That was good for me.  

          by Kimberly Stone on Thu Jan 20, 2005 at 09:23:28 AM PDT

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      •  Don't you know?! (none / 0)

        America is the "greatest fucking country in the world!" Says so, right on the label.

        [snark, OFF]

        BUSH: Like a rock...but dumber.
        Stewart/Olberman 2008!

        by mugsimo on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 11:58:43 PM PDT

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    •  I thought it was funny (none / 0)

      and it was, by far, the most successful ad in the history of the site. By a factor of four.

      by kos on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 09:59:37 PM PDT

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  •  would we get (none / 1)

    replies back in the hotlist box? Heh. I know this really isn't what you want to hear, but I don't even look at the ads. Particularly since I got Firefox, and figured out how to block out that horrible lipstick thing.

    "There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty." - John Adams.

    by mcjoan on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 09:52:50 PM PDT

  •  I don't mind donating to the cause... (none / 0)

    but I actually like the ads. They are news too.

    by VirginiaDem on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 09:53:00 PM PDT

  •  Oh Kos (none / 0)

    taking money from Dean AND poor bloggers, and pocketing it in your secret Swiss bank account?

    Tsk tsk.

    (Please read this with maximum facetiousness)

    "Don't worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will bring its own worries. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Matthew 6:34

    by Jonathan4Dean on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 09:54:59 PM PDT

  •  Here's an idea (none / 0)

    Subscribe to the thing, and you get a free "Cheers and Jeers" t-shirt!  Or how about a "My mojo total is bigger than yours" bumper sticker?  

    Just kidding, of course.

    by chi mai on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 09:56:17 PM PDT

  •  Would the pages load faster? (none / 0)

    sometimes it waits for "images" from blogads.

    by Coldblue Steele on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 09:56:33 PM PDT

    •  It's not waiting for blogads (none / 0)

      At least I've never noticed that. What you wait for is sitemeter when the sitemeter servers get really doggy (which is pretty often).

      If you see your browser waiting on some 1,117 byte image hit stop and the rest of the page will load.

      by fly on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 10:06:11 PM PDT

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  •  It's a good thing (none / 0)

    ... that we don't have to look at Lipstick-On-A-Shrub anymore.  Eeeeeeeeeeeesh.

    So what kinds of features do you have in mind, Markos, to make this "a cooler and more kickass site"?  How about  Oh, never mind, I've already had one incident today started by a snarky comment of mine.  That's enough.

    So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.

    by MJB on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 09:58:16 PM PDT

  •  thanks (none / 0)

    Thanks for keeping this optional for poor (financially challenged) kossacks like me.

    "I have lived with several Zen masters -- all of them cats." - Eckhart Tolle

    by catnip on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 09:59:43 PM PDT

  •  Sounds good to me (none / 0)

    But I'm demanding my money back if you ever decide to create two classes of Kossack based on subscription.

    I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day
    Neither is California High Speed Rail

    by eugene on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 09:59:53 PM PDT

  •  Aw C'mon (none / 0)

    You gotta throw in more than that. I think everybody who buys a lifetime subscription should get a personal phone call from Markos. Like Lou Ferrigno.

    I rock knobs!

    by Jumbo on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 10:03:32 PM PDT

  •  A little slow, perhaps? (none / 0)

    Am I the only one who never even noticed the ads before now?  My filter is getting pretty good, I guess.  

    ( Do the RSS feeds have any ads?  Maybe that's it. )

    by DaveMack on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 10:16:38 PM PDT

  •  You don't need the money? (none / 0)

    I think you might want to reconsider. Especially since your Subscription page says this:
    You can now subscribe to Daily Kos and help mainain the web's top political community.

    Maybe you could hire a proof reader.

    Seriously, this is one site I'd consider paying for. On the other hand, this is one site where I've actually encountered useful ads. Quite a conundrum.

    • • Get Your John McCain - NOPE T-Shirts & Stickers
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    by KingOneEye on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 10:17:48 PM PDT

  •  kos is trollin' for money again! (none / 0)

    Heh-heh.  Just thought I'd post it before the kos-haters do.

    Or did they do it already upthread?

    by Bob Johnson on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 10:19:06 PM PDT

  •  Norton Internet Security (none / 0)

    blocks all ads.

    "Lash those traitors and conservatives with the pen of gall and wormwood. Let them feel -- no temporising!" - Andrew Jackson to Francis Preston Blair, 1835

    by Ivan on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 10:20:05 PM PDT

    •  etiquette (none / 0)

      So folks, there is a general social rule - not just with dailykos - to NOT turn off ads. They're the life support for many of the cool sites we know and love and online etiquette is to respect that and not destroy their revenue stream by promoting anti-ad software. That said, I've turned off pop-ups on general principle but do be thoughtful about when and where you turn off ads as it costs the sites you visit when you do so.

      Call it as you will, there's not a huge issue here, but I wanted people reading this to at least know that there are reasons to allow ads.

      by storme on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 11:34:39 PM PDT

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      •  Mere mention is not promotion (none / 0)

        online etiquette is to respect that and not destroy their revenue stream by promoting anti-ad software.

        I'm pro-choice, and in the privacy of my own home I will turn off all ads. What people do in the privacy of their own homes is their own business.

        "Lash those traitors and conservatives with the pen of gall and wormwood. Let them feel -- no temporising!" - Andrew Jackson to Francis Preston Blair, 1835

        by Ivan on Thu Jan 20, 2005 at 08:32:40 AM PDT

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  •  What's the problem with a few ads? (none / 0)

    The only ad that bothered me was the W ketchup ad, that seemed out of place but was as silly as our local movie store putting Fahrenhyped 9/11 right beside Fahrenheit 9/11.

    The annoying one was the sucker punched mule, it seemed to run forever and ever!

    The one I liked was "I want Your Ideas"  that was pretty good.

    Today, 7/6/08, 4114 Americans, and untold Iraqis are dead, tens of thousands more maimed. Bush lied, how soon before your family pays the price for that?

    by boilerman10 on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 10:22:54 PM PDT

  •  heh heh... (none / 0)

    and if you don't like it here....

    "Click to buy PayPal's Money Back Guarantee for $2.45 USD. Ensure satisfaction or your money back"

    by krankitup on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 10:24:31 PM PDT

  •  Making a living (none / 0)

    The ads don't bother me, certainly not enough to pay money to block them (especially since money is real tight for me). In fact, I like having the ads -- it gives me a glimpse into what's going on, and of course it's good for the advertisers, who are usually progressive candidates, causes, etc.

    But if you need money to support this terrific site, just say so.  Don't be shy (not that anyone here could be accused of that!). This site rocks!

    In loving memory: Sophie, June 1, 1993-January 17, 2005. My huckleberry friend.

    by Paul in Berkeley on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 10:24:44 PM PDT

    •  Na (none / 0)

      I'm okay. I'm making a good living, I can afford to cover costs. I spent a shitload on servers in Aug-Oct of last year, so I'm pretty set on hardware for at least the next year.

      There's always things I can spend money on to improve the site, but it's not a necessity. And unless I have a necessity, I'd rather hold off on fundraising until we have a good progressive cause or candidate to promote.

      by kos on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 10:35:47 PM PDT

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      •  How about this? (none / 0)

        "I'd rather hold off on fundraising until we have a good progressive cause or candidate to promote."

        This website fits the description. Keep up the great work.

        In loving memory: Sophie, June 1, 1993-January 17, 2005. My huckleberry friend.

        by Paul in Berkeley on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 10:36:53 PM PDT

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  •  In my opinion (none / 0)

    Paying subscribers should get something extra. Perhaps a really cool icon that displays with their comments, just to show that, you know, they're special:

    --
    Gimme back my broken night
    my mirrored room, my secret life     --Leonard Cohen, The Future

    by Tenuous Leemployed on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 10:40:10 PM PDT

  •  actually, (none / 0)

    i like the ads

    http://blueempire.blogspot.com for Blueniks inside and outside of New York

    by theshelldog on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 10:46:17 PM PDT

  •  Not sure if I'm missing something... (none / 0)

    ...but I've subscribed, and it says so on my user page, but the ads are still there. The "turn ads off" link only takes one back to the subscription page, which doesn't do any good...and I've looked at the display prefs and such.

    I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day
    Neither is California High Speed Rail

    by eugene on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 10:46:33 PM PDT

  •  "reinvested into this site" (none / 0)

    I'm definitely most into THIS idea. I'm happy to donate for the amount of time that I spend here and enjoy this site, but I'm most into the idea of more to come (even more of the same is pretty good).

    I'm curious what some of the suggestions for the money are. Not asking for a commitment, but more of a brainstorm.

    And I totally don't care about the ads. That's just me.

    It's not a campaign. It's a movement. Will you stand up?

    by danthrax on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 10:56:53 PM PDT

  •  legacy link (none / 0)

    A hopefully helpful reminder, Kos...  

    Back when some of the "Legacy Kossites" were donating to help keep the site going, you mentioned that you were planning to host ads, and also offer memberships.  You also mentioned that as an appreciation for those who'd donated, you'd allow them to block ads/become members without paying anything additional.

    I don't mention this for myself much, 'cuz I like seeing the ads, and I occasionally click on them.  But maybe some of the contributors from back then would like to go ad-free, and mayhaps some are not in a financial position currently to pay for a membership.  Also, could some of them be blocked from your email list?  If so, maybe it's worth setting up some separate email address for any such folk to reach you and request the "membership benefit."

    Civil society is our collective creation. It's an honorable source of growth, mutual satisfaction and fulfillment. It's yours and mine to nurture, or nix.

    by Civil Sibyl on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 11:19:48 PM PDT

  •  Gift subscription? (none / 0)

    I'm not too crazy about blocking the ads since I think they're informative.  I'm on DSL so they don't slow down page loading, and they don't bother me.

    I think you should ad a "printer-friendly link" to diaries and extended stories, but that's about it.

    As for subscriptions, I wouldn't mind paying for one, but I like to just go by my handle and not reveal personal info, which is what would result from making a paypal payment.  

    Can you set up to sell gift subscriptions?  Then I can get one of my friends to buy me one.  Other Kossacks might in turn like buying them for their friends.  Heck, if I weren't anonymous I'd think about buying them for my favorite diarists.  That's even better than mojo.

    Hawkish on impeachment.

    by clyde on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 11:28:38 PM PDT

  •  I dont mind the Ads (none / 0)

    Most of them are to progessive sites and issues. If they were ads for Mc