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"Towards the end of the segment, Kristol got started, saying, "I hate the criminalization of politics."


This is too funny for words. Bill Kristol enjoyed criminalization of politics during the Clinton administration. He was one of the cheerleaders for impeachment. Now with the possible indictment of GOP officials he has had a change of heart.

Get ready for all the buzz words; "criminalization of politics", "overzealous prosecutors", "politics of personal destruction", "why would anybody go into politics with all these investigations", "witchnunts"...........

Yes folks these are the same people who were screaming "rule of law" during the blowjobgate. Now with treasongate on the horizon they want to "change the tone" and a "kinder and gentler" political climate. How convenient.

Originally posted to Miri on Sun Oct 09, 2005 at 09:40 PM PDT.

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  •  I hate it too. (none)
    That's why the Republicans must go.  The organized crime syndicate they call government is destroying our great nation.

    Support The Troops, Demand The Truth

    by MamaBear on Sun Oct 09, 2005 at 09:39:52 PM PDT

  •  I have to agree with Kristol (4.00)
    How dare they criminalize the outing of a CIA agent. </snark>

    George Bush why did you let our fellow americans die?

    by DriftawayNH on Sun Oct 09, 2005 at 09:44:07 PM PDT

  •  How dumb to they think we are? (none)
    Do Republicans think we have not forgotten how they railroaded Clinton over a trumped up harassment case and a consensual sexual act into grounds for impeachment?  Even with a special prosecutor who looked over everything they did, they could not find a single thing to indict Clinton for.  But you don't even have to look hard in the Bush administration for acts that are outright treasonous!  

    When you are going through hell, keep going! - Winston Churchill

    by flo58 on Sun Oct 09, 2005 at 09:46:53 PM PDT

    •  What goes around comes around (none)
      they opened Pandora's box and now....

      Fitzgerald if I'm not mistaken is a Republican.

      •  I agree (4.00)
        When they came at Bill Clinto with all guns blazing, did they really think that it wouldn't happen to them in kind? But aside from that, Republicans since Nixon have been going out of their way to break laws, which in turn result in investigations. If they don't like being indicted, then they should (gasp) stop breaking laws. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
      •  Fitzgerald is not a Republican (none)
        Once something makes it into the public discourse, it is amazing how long it takes to correct.

        This particular characterization of Fitzgerald is not true.

        Fitzgerald is careful to be apolitical in his targets and his public life alike. He registered to vote as an Independent in New York, only to discover, when he began receiving fundraising calls, that Independent was a political party. He re-registered with no affiliation, as he did later in Chicago.
        "I am not running for an election. I'm not part of a political party," Fitzgerald said at the time.

        I am sure those who will need to defend indictments, if they come down, will try to use this to their advantage.

    •  Start collecting (none)
      It is time to start collecting footage and quotes of all of the pundits and politicians on the right screaming about "rule of law" during zippergate.

      When the indictments come down, be prepared to push these demonstrations of hypocracy on every MSM outlet you can call/write/email/fax.

      "That blood was already on the flag; we just made it visible." - Clare Grady

      by tamman2000 on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 06:45:46 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Bush says (none)
    "so we outed a CIA agent and I lied about WMD's, you can't impeach me till I get a till I get a blow job."

    George Bush why did you let our fellow americans die?

    by DriftawayNH on Sun Oct 09, 2005 at 09:49:48 PM PDT

  •  all the more reason to hit 'em harder (none)
    Hit 'em (figuratively) till they can't speak anymore, until they're all in jail where they belong.
  •  Wonderfully ambiguous (none)
    Apparently he does not hate politicians who are criminals. Just those with the temerity to prosecute them.

    . . . solutions emerge from [our] judicious study of discernible reality.

    by realitybased on Sun Oct 09, 2005 at 09:55:47 PM PDT

  •  Criminals... (none)
    As Katrina hit, Bush received and then acted on Governor Kathleen Blanco's cry for federal disaster aid. What slid by unnoticed was that the government avoided labeling Katrina a "catastrophic event." Such a designation would have signaled an all-out major federal response--with or without state and local approval.

    Events unfolded as follows: On August 30, Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff labeled Katrina "an incident of national significance." In doing so, he set into action the National Response Plan (NRP). Secrecy News, published by the Federation of American Scientists, points out that in a little-noticed maneuver, Chertoff did not designate the hurricane as a "catastrophic event," a special sub-category of emergency situation that entails the expedited deployment of emergency response capabilities. On September 8, Chris Strohm of Government Executive Daily Briefing asked if Chertoff had exercised his catastrophic-incident authority in response to Hurricane Katrina. DHS spokesman Russ Knocke told the reporter that "it was too early to make a determination." FEMA officials continued to dodge the question last week. After repeated phone calls, one FEMA official, who refused to give her name, told the Voice that on August 31 the Department of Homeland Security declared Katrina "an incident of national significance." Asked if the storm ever had been declared a catastrophic event, the woman replied, "Homeland Security did not." In another conversation, Barbara Ellis of FEMA public affairs said, "Katrina rose to the level of 'incident of national significance.' " Asked if it was ever declared a catastrophic event, she repeated that the storm was an "incident of national significance."

    In short, the government made sure it would not invoke laws setting into motion an expensive federal response. Instead, the feds blamed Blanco for the slipshod handling of the affair, explaining that they were prohibited by law from acting as a first responder. Rather, the federal government must serve as the coordinator and backup for the states and localities. In his testimony last week before the special House committee set up by Republican leaders to investigate the hurricane, the disgraced Michael Brown said, "My biggest mistake was not recognizing by Saturday that Louisiana was dysfunctional." He added, "I very strongly personally regret that I was unable to persuade Governor Blanco and Mayor Nagin to sit down, get over their differences, and work together. I just couldn't pull that off." When committee chair Tom Davis of Virginia pressed Brown to say what should have been done to evacuate New Orleans, restore order, and re-establish communications, the former FEMA head replied, "Those are not FEMA roles. FEMA doesn't evacuate communities. FEMA does not do law enforcement. FEMA does not do communications."

    This is a political PR game of smoke and mirrors. The most effective first responder in New Orleans was the U.S. Coast Guard, currently an adjunct of the dysfunctional Department of Homeland Security. It rescued thousands of people before, during, and after the hurricane, acting quickly, with competence and bravery. Another federal agency acting in the capacity of "first responder" is the Army Corps of Engineers, which is attempting to prepare and repair the dikes and levees it had been building in New Orleans and elsewhere along the lower Mississippi for over 100 years.

    After the hurricane, Bush promised swift assistance for its victims. The key ingredient here was health care for the sick. After 9-11 the government temporarily expanded Medicaid to all persons affected by the attacks. The same thing should have been done for that storm's victims. But Bush refused to do so. He at first prevaricated, and last week he came out against the extension of Medicaid. In a scarcely believable performance, the Bush government forthrightly attacked a bipartisan Senate bill aimed at offering temporary Medicaid coverage to victims of the storm. The legislation was sponsored by Republican Charles Grassley of Iowa and Democrat Max Baucus of Montana. It had the support of the National Governors Association, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, and Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid. It had the support of the American Medical Association, the American Hospital Association, and the Red Cross. Even with this overwhelming, bipartisan show of support for swift action, Grassley and Baucus could not get the bill onto the Senate floor. It became clear that Bush administration lobbyists were working behind the scenes to kill the legislation Last week Health and Human Services Secretary Michael Leavitt sent a letter to congressional leaders opposing it. As anguished health workers in Mississippi and Louisiana described how they had to turn away storm victims because they didn't meet current Medicaid requirements, Bush took the position that the legislation was not necessary.

    I'll look for the link.

    Last two War Presidents were from Texas... Gore/Clark 2008

    by mattes on Sun Oct 09, 2005 at 10:09:27 PM PDT

  •  like Judd said (none)
    Like Judd said on ThinkProgress, "The best way to stop the criminalization of politics is to get the criminals out of politics."

    Lets start with The Choker- Don Sherwood in PA 10th.

    Carney for Congress -Take Back the House!

  •  Fuck it (none)
    hang 'em all.
  •  Criminilizing Politics Is A Problem... (none)
    when behavior in the distant past is explored more than current behavior. It was obvious with Clinton in that Republican tactic was to pressure him legally as well as politically. It was done by drumming up charges on real estate ventures more than a decade old. It was done by having a bogus sexual harassment suit launched against him so his sexual history could legally be explored. If the democrats were asking that Bush's and Delays business dealings be explored before they became politicians, that would be criminilizing politics or practicing "the politics of personal destruction"

    Limbaugh might have been the first to use that term after the first DeLay indictment. It is alarming that their ethical compass is so off that building up a political machine with illegal acts doesn't seem to phase them.

  •  Billy Billy Billy my Man (none)
    Easy solution to the problem.  Tell your friends to stop breaking the law.
  •  this same diary exists (none)
    right below yours.  please delete?
  •  Stock Democratic response (none)
    "I hate it too. I wish the GOP would stop running criminals."

    Learn more about Lowell Weicker, Connecticut's next Senator.

    by joejoejoe on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 12:33:47 AM PDT

  •  Great heads-up on new 'spin' terms. (none)
    You should reference Stirling Newberry's diary "Words to Live By", which did a phenomenal job of redefining spin terms. The terms you identify, if added to the list in that diary, could make a great dKosopedia section of "unspun terminology".
  •  I misunderstood (none)
    I thought what Kristol hates is what Delay, Rove, Abramhoff, etc. are doing: criminalizing politics.
  •  Bill Kristol - Grinning Queen Termite (none)
    Kristol is the queen of the colony.

    I'm talking about the culture of corruption that is housed in Washington D.C.

    Bill Kristol's jaded and cynical language and ideas are eating the heart out of our system of government.

    He is an idealogical termite - He is gnawing away at the infrastructure, weakening it, and then whining as it crumbles.

    No one should listen to Bill Kristol.

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