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Look, I'm going to make this simple. As simple as I can possibly make it. As simple as the laws of physics allow. I'm going to venture into the madness of the primitive mind, and make it "Dumbass Republican" simple. I'm going to travel to far-off mental realms, and bring back a map to the Fountain of Simplicity. I'm going to board the U.S.S. Really Fucking Simple, and snag you a seat at the captain's table. I'm going to go to the Republic of Simple, and bring you back a T-shirt. I'm going to call up the Home Shopping Network, and buy you a goddamn Clue at the special sale price of one hundred thirty seven dollars, which is a good deal considering that they have less than two hundred cases left at that price.

I am going to journey past the Singularity of Stupid that has lodged itself in the shared cortex of the planet, fighting the demons of Mental Craptitude that seek to bring about the Dumbass Rapture and Moronic Apocalypse, and bring you the most cherished jewel of all: A Functional Goddamned Synapse.

-Ahem-

Despite your breathless and unending discoveries to the contrary, Joseph Wilson having a wife IS NOT THE FUCKING CLASSIFIED PART.

Joseph Wilson having a wife is not a classified secret of the United States.

Joseph Wilson having a wife named Valerie Plame is NOT a classified secret of the United States.

The CLASSIFIED part is that, up until unnamed "senior administration officials" decided otherwise, Valerie Plame, wife of Joseph Wilson, WAS AN UNDERCOVER CIA OPERATIVE.

THAT is the part that the CIA, Wilson, Plame, their children, everyone Plame ever worked with, foreign or domestic, every company Plame ever used as nonofficial cover -- and every American with even the slightest concern over the proliferation of Weapons of Mass Destruction and U.S. efforts to track and curb the same -- thought maybe should stay classified, since, you know, IT WAS CLASSIFIED.

Yes, even if Joseph Wilson was a big meanie. Yes, even if he had the audacity to piss someone in the administration off. Yes, shock of goddamn shocks, even if he proved to be a Democrat.

Despite the urgently proposed Republicans Can Commit Whatever Crimes They Want Act of 2005, sponsored by Tom DeLay, leaking classified information to multiple reporters is still considered a crime, even if you "had a really good reason."

But we are two years into this case, and we still have people suddenly "discovering" that Joseph Wilson previously admitted having a wife! And, like, she ate at dinners! And bought clothing! And had children! And didn't wear a grocery bag whenever she went into public, for fear someone might see her! And guess what? Before "senior administration officials" outed her, she didn't have to, because nobody knew she was an undercover CIA agent.


And just as an aside, to the blogger(s) who are still, two years into the case, "eagerly awaiting" word on "whether Plame was even officially covert", or whether a "crime was even committed" (and damn the devil-soaked trackbacks that lead me to these shipwrecks of mental corruption):

If we can be sure of one thing, over the last two years, I think we can be sure that Plame was covert. We have the implicit word of the CIA, who referred the case for investigation. We have the implicit word of the Justice Department, that appointed a prosecutor to pursue it. But most importantly, we have the implicit word of the judges who had to determine whether or not throwing a reporter into jail for nearly three months constituted a necessary act. Unanimously, and using eight pages of redacted, classified arguments, they asserted it did.

It takes an act of wanton dumbassitude to assert, after the case has been investigated for two years, that maybe Plame wasn't really covert, and they'll get around any day now to figuring that out. Call me an excessive believer in the powers of investigative deduction, but I'm pretty sure that before spending two years of investigation, the CIA figured out whether or not Plame was actually covert.

Yes, this is the intellectual movement that is going to take down the mainstream media with their hard-hitting news analysis. These are the New Pundits, the FactCheckers, the Socket Rientists of Journalism. From the militia members stocking up for the nuclear apocalypse to be caused by Y2K, to the network-busting power of small animated gifs, to the monkey howls of Hillary! Hiiiiiillaryyyyyyy! that accompany the slightest dull thud in the political landscape, these are the members of "Bush's Base".

Lord help us all, we're going to die.

Originally posted to Hunter on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 06:30 PM PDT.

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  •  the message was nice (4.00)
    but wow Hunter. You really need to learn to write better...
  •  My God, you ROCK!!!! (4.00)
    Hunter, fanfuckingtastic.

    I weep in envy of your brilliance.

  •  Your rants are unparalleled. (4.00)
    Thank you, Hunter, for the vicarious catharsis. I feel cleansed.

    Let the great world spin for ever down the ringing grooves of change. - Tennyson

    by bumblebums on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 06:31:31 PM PDT

  •  you're so cute (4.00)
    when you're hot.  or is it the other way around?
    hot when you're being cute?
  •  That was so GOOD, (4.00)
    it was virtually pornographic!  Thanks. Hunter.  I need a cigarette.
  •  thankfully (4.00)
    you will "not go gentle into that good night"

    The sock puppets are extraordinary.

    by Miss Devore on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 06:32:23 PM PDT

  •  " make it 'Dumbass Republican' simple" (3.92)
    HAHA!

    That's the best line of the week.
    Gotta file that one away and use it later.

    --Liberate your radio--

    by Sam Loomis on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 06:32:44 PM PDT

  •  Going straight to the top, dude (4.00)
  •  Wanton dumbassitude (4.00)
    Hmm. That malady seems to have swept over the wingnut territories this year. I think a few batches of indictments will halt the spread of this epidemic.

    Order up!

    -7.38, -5.23 One day we ALL will know the truth about the 2000 presidential election. God help us all.

    by CocoaLove on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 06:33:54 PM PDT

    •  The stupidification of America (4.00)
      ... is too far gone to be reversed by a few indictments.  I smell martyrs.

      Hunter, you are our house god.  We all bow down....

      Now a New Mexican, and much the better for it.

      by Dallasdoc on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 06:57:13 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  That's Stupit with a T (4.00)
         
        I loved Hunter's rant!!!

        When my kids were young, " Stupit with a T"  was the family code for someone  fast approaching  the asymtote of dumbassification.

        Now we use it to refer to the chimporer and his minions.

          That's Bush....Stupit with a T!

        ...and your little dog, too!

        by kastyh on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 08:04:44 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Perfect (none)
      A perfectly Cromulent phrase- Wanton Dumbassitude.

      Massachusetts: 1st in Baseball, 1st in Football, 47th in Support for Public Higher Education

      by mcinma on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 02:09:03 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  hehehe (4.00)
    I blogged about the GOP's apparent confusion on this issue here.

    It has something to do with Superman.

  •  Hunter, dude... (4.00)
    You crack my ass up.

    When I start a newspaper, you're my political editor.

  •  Please, could you tell us (none)
    how you really feel?

    "So if dea's a fiya an I call de engine, who'm I double crossin, DA FIYA"? Billie Dawn - Born Yesterday

    by Sassy on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 06:38:15 PM PDT

  •  If Plame weren't undercover (4.00)
    why would the CIA refer the case to the Justice Department?  I mean Goddam, I'm a dumbass and get that....

    "George W. did cocaine as recently as 1992, when he snorted lines off of Rush Limbaugh's tits at Camp David" - The Onion.

    by calipygian on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 06:38:32 PM PDT

  •  Why do I feel (4.00)
    like Tenet is never far away...medal or no medal...

    Last two War Presidents were from Texas... Gore/Clark 2008

    by mattes on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 06:39:32 PM PDT

  •  Oh PLEASE let this be part of the actual cross (4.00)
    ... examination of Rove on trial-TV.

    Call me a strict constructionalist but I think they should actually be cross.
    .

    Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest. - Denis Diderot

    by Peanut on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 06:39:59 PM PDT

  •  We love you Hunter,,,,, (4.00)
    so please make your visits to FR a regular thing, as these posts are just tooooo enjoyable.

    "But your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore"--Prine Pay attention Georgie - 1950+ dead Americans, 100,000+ dead Iraqis, all on your head. WWJS?

    by Miss Blue on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 06:40:08 PM PDT

  •  I dont think you should underestimate the (4.00)
    fact that Joe Wilson is a "big meanie". You seem awfully unconcerned by this, almost flippant and dismissive. Im a little disappointed, frankly.

    Mean people, as you may have heard, suck.

    Reigning Welterweight Female Piefighter since 1998

    by ablington on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 06:42:59 PM PDT

  •  disruptors (4.00)
    only disruptors would still wonder if she were covert. If anyone here is saying that they should be banned. Ban the disruptors.  Ban them now but beat the crap out of them intellectually first.  Don't let them use the lie that reasonable people can disagree....NO REASONABLE PEOPLE CAN'T DISAGREE ON PLAME or some other subjects we are not talking about right now.

    Liberal, Christian, Feminazi, Mom.

    by TeresaInPa on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 06:43:06 PM PDT

    •  Let's Let it Be Told Like it Is (none)
      It might be fun to be disingenuous, but it is more like a combination of mastubatory/willfully ignorant "intellectual" narcisissm--which might not be that harmful, were it not for that fact that it condones treason, amidst all the other crimes.

      Too bad they focus so much on the "liberal" bête noire, rather than on the shadows patting them on the back with the right hand and stabbing them in the heart with the left.

      http://www.crooksandliars.com/stories/2005/07/19/ciaAgentsLetterToUsSenateAndHouse.html

      18 July 2005

      AN OPEN STATEMENT TO THE LEADERS OF THE UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND THE SENATE.

      The Honorable Dennis Hastert, Speaker, U.S. House of Representatives

      The Honorable Nancy Pelosi, Minority Leader, U.S. House of Representatives

      The Honorable Dr. William Frist, Majority Leader of the Senate

      The Honorable Harry Reid, Minority Leader of the Senate

      We, the undersigned former U.S. intelligence officers are concerned with the tone and substance of the public debate over the ongoing Department of Justice investigation into who leaked the name of Valerie Plame, wife of former U.S. Ambassador Joseph Wilson IV, to syndicated columnist Robert Novak and other members of the media, which exposed her status as an undercover CIA officer. The disclosure of Ms. Plame’s name was a shameful event in American history and, in our professional judgment, may have damaged U.S. national security and poses a threat to the ability of U.S. intelligence gathering using human sources. Any breach of the code of confidentiality and cover weakens the overall fabric of intelligence, and, directly or indirectly, jeopardizes the work and safety of intelligence workers and their sources.

      The Republican National Committee has circulated talking points to supporters to use as part of a coordinated strategy to discredit Ambassador Joseph Wilson and his wife. As part of this campaign a common theme is the idea that Ambassador Wilson’s wife, Valerie Plame was not undercover and deserved no protection. The following are four recent examples of this "talking point":

      Michael Medved stated on Larry King Live on July 12, 2005, "And let's be honest about this. Mrs. Plame, Mrs. Wilson, had a desk job at Langley. She went back and forth every single day."

      Victoria Toensing stated on a Fox News program with John Gibson on July 12, 2005 that, "Well, they weren't taking affirmative measures to protect that identity. They gave her a desk job in Langley. You don't really have somebody deep undercover going back and forth to Langley, where people can see them."

      Ed Rodgers, Washington Lobbyist and former Republican official, said on July 13, 2005 on the Newshour with Jim Lehrer, "And also I think it is now a matter of established fact that Mrs. Plame was not a protected covert agent, and I don't think there's any meaningful investigation about that."

      House majority whip Roy Blunt (R, Mo), on Face the Nation, July 17, 2005, "It certainly wouldn't be the first time that the CIA might have been overzealous in sort of maintaining the kind of top-secret definition on things longer than they needed to. You know, this was a job that the ambassador's wife had that she went to every day. It was a desk job. I think many people in Washington understood that her employment was at the CIA, and she went to that office every day."

      These comments reveal an astonishing ignorance of the intelligence community and the role of cover. The fact is that there are thousands of U.S. intelligence officers who "work at a desk" in the Washington, D.C. area every day who are undercover. Some have official cover, and some have non-official cover. Both classes of cover must and should be protected.

      While we are pleased that the U.S. Department of Justice is conducting an investigation and that the U.S. Attorney General has recused himself, we believe that the partisan attacks against Valerie Plame are sending a deeply discouraging message to the men and women who have agreed to work undercover for their nation’s security.

      We are not lawyers and are not qualified to determine whether the leakers technically violated the 1982 Intelligence Identities Protection Act. However, we are confident that Valerie Plame was working in a cover status and that our nation’s leaders, regardless of political party, have a duty to protect all intelligence officers. We believe it is appropriate for the President to move proactively to dismiss from office or administratively punish any official who participated in any way in revealing Valerie Plame's status. Such an act by the President would send an unambiguous message that leaks of this nature will not be tolerated and would be consistent with his duties as the Commander-in-Chief.

      We also believe it is important that Congress speak with one non-partisan voice on this issue. Intelligence officers should not be used as political footballs. In the case of Valerie Plame, she still works for the CIA and is not in a position to publicly defend her reputation and honor. We stand in her stead and ask that Republicans and Democrats honor her service to her country and stop the campaign of disparagement and innuendo aimed at discrediting Mrs. Wilson and her husband.

      Our friends and colleagues have difficult jobs gathering the intelligence, which helps, for example, to prevent terrorist attacks against Americans at home and abroad. They sometimes face great personal risk and must spend long hours away from family and friends. They serve because they love this country and are committed to protecting it from threats from abroad and to defending the principles of liberty and freedom. They do not expect public acknowledgement for their work, but they do expect and deserve their government’s protection of their covert status.

      For the good of our country, we ask you to please stand up for every man and woman who works for the U.S. intelligence community and help protect their ability to live their cover.

      Sincerely yours,

      _____________

      Larry C. Johnson, former Analyst, CIA

      JOINED BY:

      Mr. Brent Cavan, former Analyst, CIA

      Mr. Vince Cannistraro, former Case Officer, CIA

      Mr. Michael Grimaldi, former Analyst, CIA

      Mr. Mel Goodman, former senior Analyst, CIA

      Col. W. Patrick Lang (US Army retired), former Director, Defense Humint Services, DIA

      Mr. David MacMichael, former senior estimates officer, National Intelligence Council, CIA

      Mr. James Marcinkowski, former Case Officer, CIA

      Mr. Ray McGovern, former senior Analyst and PDB Briefer, CIA

      Mr. Jim Smith, former Case Officer, CIA

      Mr. William C. Wagner, former Case Officer, CIA

  •  Every time I think (4.00)
    that people can't get any stupider--they do.

    I have tried to explain this to some of my in-laws to no avail. The one with All But Dissertation STILL doesn't get it....She has her degrees in Gifted Ed; she is also the one who voted for Bush becasue "Gore acted like he KNEW he was so smart...."

    The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

    by irishwitch on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 06:43:29 PM PDT

    •  You are not alone ... (4.00)
      Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.

      -- Frank Zappa

      •  As Lazarus Long said... (none)
        "Never underestimate the power of human stupidity."

        I think it pretty well sums up the GOP, eh?

        "Sometimes I think we're alone. Sometimes I think we're not. In either case, the thought is staggering." - R. Buckminster Fuller

        by Shadan7 on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 08:24:52 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Oh God I hated that (4.00)
      ... "I just can't stand Gore --- he acts so smart."  Well, maybe it's because he IS smart, and anyway, who CARES what kind of personality he has?

      I thought the 2000-era Gore had some annoying aspects to his personality, but for God's sake, we're not electing the Neighbor in Chief, we're electing a PRESIDENT, who is supposed to know something about a few things in the world.

      All the people who voted for Bush because he's the "kind of guy you could have a beer with" --- hey, let me tell you people, you are NEVER going to have a beer with the President of the United States!  That is the stupidest reason to vote for someone I can think of!

      Sorry, a little off topic but this really ticks me off.

      Fabulous diary btw Hunter!

      •  What's more dangerous? (4.00)
        A president who knows he's smart, or a president who has no freaking clue how stupid he is?

        It is a rhetorical question.

        "When the intellectual history of this era is finally written, it will scarcely be believable." -- Noam Chomsky

        by scorponic on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 12:22:09 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  To paraphrase Rumsfeld, (none)
          "There are known knowns; these are things we know that we know.

          "There are known unknowns; these are things we know that we don't know.

          "But -- and this is the important one -- there are unknown unknowns, things we don't know that we don't know."

          Bush's administration lives daily in the realm of the unknown unknowns.  

          They didn't know that they didn't know how to magically transform Iraq into a democracy through force of arms.

          They didn't know that they had no clue about the real values and sympathies of Americans, which lie not with pro-suffering wingnuts obsessed with Terry Schiavo's "right to life," but with those who prefer mercy over mercilessness.

          They didn't know that their mode of "government" -- cronyism, tax cutting, welfare for oil corporations -- was bereft of ideas for how to actually run a country, make sure people have access to medical care, emergency services, y'know, that sort of thing.

          And they didn't know that Bush doesn't know a personally delivered message from God from a note from his Mom.  

          Nothing requires a greater effort of thought than arguments to justify the rule of nonthought. -- Milan Kundera

          by Dale on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 12:37:45 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  They didn't know (none)
            'They didn't know that their mode of "government" -- cronyism, tax cutting, welfare for oil corporations -- was bereft of ideas for how to actually run a country, make sure people have access to medical care, emergency services, y'know, that sort of thing.'

            But great if you and a bunch of your rich friends  retire to a banana republic and want to execute a coup d'etat!  Then you got it made.

            War is not an adventure. It is a disease. It is like typhus. - Antoine De Saint-Exupery

            by Margot on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 03:52:45 PM PDT

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  •  Hunter, it is not Dumbass enough for them... (4.00)
    You also must point out that, no, Wilson being an anti-war critic does not necessarily make him unfit to ever question the Bush administration a priori.  You also should point out that his numerous rebukes of the administration might have something to do with the fact that they ignored his fact finding mission and then outed his wife.  They do have a problem with dates and cause and effect ... such dumbasses.

    "... the Republicans have fucked reality so hard they need a physics professor to straighten them out." -- hamletta

    by manyoso on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 06:45:45 PM PDT

  •  Good donation to The American Ass Hat. (none)
    They got a hat that's upside-down.
    So you can sit on it.
    And give a solid donation.

    Voyager 1: proof that what goes up never comes down.

    by pat bunny on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 06:46:48 PM PDT

  •  Let me get this straight (4.00)
    Hunter, you're claiming that--that Valerie Plame was a top secret undercover CIA operative in WMD? And nobody knew that except her husband? And that some people in the White House deliberately blew her cover to some reporters?

    Did Hillary put you up to this?  It has her fingerprints all over it.

    Why do you hate Armenia?

  •  This should be REQUIRED Reading (4.00)
    It's so damned funny and sadly--so very true. You can't reason with these wingnuts. God knows I've tried.
    •  Left = Funny (4.00)
      Why is it that the Left is way funnier than the Right? I mean, can you name a single comedian on the Right that is even 1/10 as funny as Hunter? LMAO!
      •  This is why the right grasps so (none)
        for comedy standing. They dream of being funny. Racist jokes and saying Clinton and making the "blowjob" coughing sound is only funny after a few high-balls (well the racists jokes really aren't funny but they laugh at them as if they are).

        They wanted to be South Park Conservatives. Dumbass Republicans. Please, they begged, we do enjoy the humors. They missed the part that South Park is not Conservative. It is childish churlish and moronic--that part they get but political...uh who does Satan call when he needs to subvert God's will? Dumbass Republicans.

        Then, they got Dennis Miller. Dumbass Republicans.

        The only funny Republican is the backroom comic who wrote the line about George not knowing he was milking a horses cock. That Barbara Bush... I loved explaining that joke to my 12 year old daughter...see what the first lady meant...why it was funny was...

        Of course a few years from now we will find out the writer was a lefty paid by filthy lucre.

      •  Why Funnier? (none)
        We have a lot better material, and if we don't joke about it, we'll go insane. Wish I could be wittier, but it's the truth.
      •  I think it has to do with the religious thing. (none)
        Fundamentalists seem to me to be incapable of pleasure, and they sure as hell don't want anybody else having pleasure either.  I believe this is called "anhedonia."  Seriously.  Also, I think a lot of wingers are insecure (males, particularly) and if you are insecure about your manhood, you certainly aren't going to joke about your beliefs or question them in any way.

        In other words, most of those people are just no damn fun.

  •  I thought about doing a diary on that site. . . (4.00)
    This one is almost as f***ing idiotic. It refers to Valerie Plame as an "aspiring spy."

    http://www.therealitycheck.org/GuestColumnist/isterrett072805.htm

    Reality check. . .give me a break. Where do they get this nonsense?I guess it's an alternative reality.

  •  Thanks for the tour de force! n/t (none)
  •  And then . . . (none)
    . . . an Internets blogger known to that world as "Hunter" kissed the desktop, seizing his chest.

    [The Administration] has just proved that it cannot save its citizens from a biological weapon called standing water. ~Olberman

    by GOTV on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 06:53:34 PM PDT

  •  Hunter (4.00)
    Somewhere in the great beyond, Hunter S. Thompson has found you to be worthy and is passing the torch to you.  
  •  If Valerie Plame was not "covert" (4.00)
    does that mean she was "overt"??  Excuse me for asking, but how can one be an OVERT spy?  Don't other governments get a little weird if you show up and tell them you're there to spy on them?

    Just asking.

  •  Knee-slappin' and eye-wipin' (4.00)
    "I'm going to go to the Republic of Simple, and bring you back a T-shirt. I'm going to call up the Home Shopping Network, and buy you a goddamn Clue"

    Man, I feel so much less alone and cold in the world in these moments..

  •  I officially love you (4.00)
    for your passion and clarity on this. i mean, love in the nicest sense, not scary-stranger-clown love.

    thanks for all of your thoughts and research... they're always good, but this one is stellar.

    Recommended!

  •  Good summation (none)
    send it to S.P. Fitzgerald, but I think he's got things in check anyway.

    Listen all of y'all it's a Sabotage! - Beastie Boys

    by See you out there on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 07:00:12 PM PDT

  •  The Song Remains the Same (none)
    Dumb and Dumberer but still in power.

    "...And we talked about some old times and we drank ourselves some beers, still pillaging after all these years, oh..."

  •  Why Does the GOP Hate Valerie Plame? (4.00)
    Answer:  Because she was competent!

    Before "senior administration officials" outed her, she didn't have to, because nobody knew she was an undercover CIA agent.
  •  Whichever wingnut (4.00)
    you might have been talking to today that prompted this, PLEASE talk to him some more, he has set to fire in you the dry kindling of the rage and anger that always tries to fight its way through the bickering and kowtowing here to be heard, but never is, being drowned out by the collective noise of wonks and the deeply resonant, but mind numbing hum of groupthink.

    Keep the fire burning, brother.

    Break Out!

    Whoooohoooo! Lovin it!

  •  geez (4.00)
    anybody who believes Fitzgerald's GJ is investigating whether or not Wilson has a wife is just
    a special kind of stupid

    "People seem not to see that their opinion of the world is also a confession of their character."--Ralph Waldo Emerson

    by rioduran on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 07:03:27 PM PDT

  •  HUNTERRIFIC!!! (4.00)
    What's a Socket Rientist?

    The future ain't what it used to be. Yogi Berra

    by x on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 07:05:00 PM PDT

  •  Dear Kos... (none)
    Re:Decent into Utter Freeper Darkness

    I love the tags already.

    Sincerely,
    Faux

    In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for. As for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican.

    by faux on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 07:07:58 PM PDT

    •  The clever tags (none)
      are being scrubbed.  Have your fun while you can.  It's gonna be more librarian style.  

      The future ain't what it used to be. Yogi Berra

      by x on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 08:18:12 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Well, thanks... I think (none)
        but by the time I got my fingers in gear, someone had already tagged <rant>, so, in the spirit of GBCW, I went with Hunters closing line: LHUAWGTD, Lord help us all, we're going to die. Guess saner minds prevailed.

        WARNING: When not being directly observed, this post may cease to exist or exist only in a vague and undetermined state.

        by Democarp on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 09:47:52 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  One a Related Note (4.00)
    These fockers still goin' at it.

    From P. Krugman's editorial today:

    I'm not sure why the news media haven't made more of the White House role in stalling a bipartisan bill that would have extended Medicaid coverage to all low-income hurricane victims - some of whom, according to surveys, can't afford needed medicine. The White House has also insisted that disaster loans to local governments, many of which no longer have a tax base, be made with the cruel and unusual provision that these loans cannot be forgiven.
    Since the administration is already nickel-and-diming Katrina's victims, it's a good bet that it will do the same with reconstruction - that is, if reconstruction ever gets started.

  •  dumbassitude (none)
    fucking genius
  •  I love it when Hunter cusses (4.00)
  •  On behalf of dumbasses everywhere.... (none)
    ...thank you.  

    Now...please explain the importance of this whole "undercover" term you keep using.

  •  Hunter... (none)
    ...sure doesn't leave much to say, does he?

    Except, perhaps, "You are right.  We ARE all going to die."

  •  This rant ALMOST (none)
    deserves to be frontpaged.

    Give me Liberty or give me death!

    by guyermo on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 07:15:13 PM PDT

    •  Why are we recommending it? (none)
      I mean, apart from it being one of the top ten posts ever in Left Blogistan...is this "Hunter" trying to prove something by showing he can compete with us diarists that rely only on recommends to get our missives read? I'm saying, he's encroaching on our turf.

      Oh, and it's Dumassitude.

      The dark at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming age.

      by peeder on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 11:45:31 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Best. Fucking. Intro. Ever. (4.00)
    Wanton Dumbassitude: The epitaph on the headstone of the current incarnation of the GOP and their supporters.
  •  Mambo Italiano and Plame Gate (4.00)
    Per ex-CIA Larry Johnson over at Booman Tribune (I hope this isn't the 3rd or 4th post of this):  

    "One of those who frequently attended these affairs, Robert Maginnis, published an op-ed on January 15, 2003 subsequent to one of the briefings. In writing about the case for attacking Iraq, Maginnis affirmed that Saddam, "failed to explain why Iraq manufactures fuels suited only for a class of missile that it does not admit to having and why it sought to procure uranium from the African nation of Niger."

    Attribution Mr. Maginnis?  How did your testimony to the grand jury go?  He better have testified Mr. Fitz.

    Thank you Larry.  VERY much.  You just put a variety of people's feet to the fire, which likely will somewhat counter the pressure from Bushco and the Kool Aid brigade ("National Intelligence Council were willing to drink the neo-con kool-aid." -- HA!  Double HA!)  

    Oh and MSM:  you can kiss my ass.  

    We all know that you won't say a peep about what is brought to light by Larry... maybe, MAYBE WaPo, but they may get pressured by the corporate masters NOT to...

    VILE complicity.  VILE.

    Better watch it MSM.  You might get judged by the public and get thrown out with the crooks in the White House.  NY Times?  Hhm hm HMMM.

  •  Wonderful But (none)
    I'm going to call up the Home Shopping Network, and buy you a goddamn Clue at the special sale price of one hundred thirty seven dollars, which is a good deal considering that they have less than two hundred cases left at that price.

    This kind of shows Hunter's obvious disregard of fact checking.  Everybody knows that Clues don't come in cases.  You buy Clues by the peck.  Come on, man.

    Seriously funny though.  Internation Clue Measuring Standards aside.

    "Have you no sense of decency, sir. At long last, have you left no sense of decency?" -- Boston Attorney Joe Welch, taking down Sen. Joe McCarthy.

    by BostonJoe on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 07:18:48 PM PDT

  •  wow (none)
    Hunter...man...you write some awesome rants. Keep it up buddy....and take care of yourself. Somedays you just gotta turn off the gasbag asshole pundits and take a walk in the fresh air :)
  •  It's diaries such as this ... (4.00)
    ... that make me glad that Wing Nuts exist.

    I need to laugh to keep from crying.

  •  Bravo, Hunter! (4.00)
    In the holy pantheon of undumbassitude, you are truly one of the gods, hurling your mighty bolts of snark and rage upon the cowering motals below. Bitchin'!

    Tilting at windmills, with the proper armor and enough firepower, can be a productive effort. http://www.43rdstateblues.com

    by Serephin on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 07:26:35 PM PDT

  •  A functional synapse, (4.00)
    goddamned or not, might well qualify as torture for the target population.  The sheer firing off of one cognitive synapase (I assume you mean cognitive, as opposed to, say, motor control and reflexes) could be sufficiently horrifying as to be tantamount to terrorism, psyops style.

    Aren't we supposed to be better than that?  Just wondering...

    Ignorance can be cured. Stupidity is forever, like diamonds.

    by USexpat Ukraine on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 07:27:08 PM PDT

  •  And the Hunter Classics keep a-coming. (none)
    Tag: Classic Hunter Rant

    Thanks. I even read it out loud for the better half. He sends kudos too.

    "As you get older, you get less willing to buy the latest version of reality." Leonard Cohen

    by mentaldebris on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 07:28:04 PM PDT

  •  Yeah (none)
    But was she really covert. Did she have the spy-vs-spy gear? I mean, she was a wife of Joe Wilson. How could she be under cover?</snark>

    Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind. Albert Einstein

    by DrSpike on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 07:30:43 PM PDT

  •  Some of those primitive minded (none)
    "dumbass republicans" are going to be over here threatening civil war again.  Just you wait and see, Hunter.  That's what happens when you write Right Wing Blogging for Dummies, diaries.
  •  CNN (4.00)
    As we speak, CNN has been reporting on this about every half hour since I got home from work at 3:00 p.m; it's now 7:30 p.m.  I have observed some spittle on their mouths, as in salivating.  Somehow I get the idea that the press doesn't really like Rove.  Also a little beauty tip from Judy:  "Girls will be girls.  Rub your finger on a red M&M and rub it on your lips."  I am so tempted to forward Hunter's Diary to every news agency as an example of excelllent "gonzo journalism."  
  •  The encouraging thing (none)
    about this is that no matter how hysterical we bloggers get, eventually the rule of law applies, not popular opinion.

    Nothing said on the right or the left is going to change the outcome of a grand jury.

  •  wow, reading this just made my day! n/t (none)
  •  Since it been almost a year... (none)
    ...I suppose your tenure as a front page poster is coming to an end.  If it is, it will be a damn shame.

    You should put this on the front page while you still can.

    "Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth." -- Franklin D. Roosevelt

    by sgilman on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 07:54:32 PM PDT

  •  This is the kind of rant I love..... (4.00)
    smart ranting, passionate ranting, but focused and smart from beginning to end.  Nobody does it like you, Hunter.

    "For the Mardi Gras
    Neo-con domestic shock and awe.."--Rep. Major Owens

    by Cathy on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 07:55:02 PM PDT

  •  The day the indictments come down (4.00)
    is a day a hard rain's gonna fall.  Those guys in the 'base' are working very, very hard to keep believing against all evidence that they are defending a real American hero, and not the leader of an criminal conspiracy that is destroying this country brick by brick.

    When the scales fall off those eyes, expect some major depression.  It'll be worse than Buzz Lightyear learning he's really a toy.

    If Bush were President when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, he would have invaded Mexico.-- Cervantes

    by jem6x on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 07:58:46 PM PDT

  •  Great diary - as usual (4.00)
    but, but, but Plame was working at a desk and therefore couldn't have been undercover.  Covert operatives NEVER have desk jobs.

    Cheney died a natural death - on the phone with Halliburton.

    by annefrank on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 08:08:26 PM PDT

  •  Hunter... (none)
    ...you had me at, "Dear Whoever..."
  •  Thank you... (none)
    ...that was just too...god damn...thank you!
  •  We're not worthy! We're not worthy! (none)
    You took the words right out of my heart!  I was watching Washington Journal on C-Span this morning and the moderator (Pedro, I think) read from a newspaper article something to the effect that "Ms. Plame was not actually a covert CIA agent" and I almost puked.  

    Fortunately the guest from the LATimes did put the truth out there in response but, you know, the right just doesn't get it!  

    I wish Hunter could get his missive published as an OpEd in whatever rags those people read - if they read...

    I'll say/rant no more!

    (-5.63,-6.10) "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." - Edmund Burke

    by CyberDem on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 08:12:31 PM PDT

  •  A rant, (4.00)
    properly done, is sheer poetry. Anything less is just a lot
    of vulgar cussing and stomping.

    That was beautifully done.  

  •  Passion!!!! (none)
    passion waits for no mans grammar. the great thought is always in the fast lane. THANKS, for the great post!
  •  Does anyone get the idea (none)
    That our Hunter may be just a little bit pissed today?

    Way to go Hunter.

    Don't blame me, I am still trying to figure out what is on the Blue dress :) eaglecries

    by eaglecries on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 08:26:55 PM PDT

  •  But Hunter (none)
    If Valerie Plame Wilson really wanted to preserve her covert status, wouldn't she have worn a burka (or Harry Potter's invisibility cloak) and driven an unmarked car to CIA headquarters everyday?  Because anybody who wanted to know whether she worked at CIA could've just tailed her to the parking lot. In fact, its quite possible that Karl or Scooter did so themselves, they're so manly. So really, she has only herself to blame.

    "Our enemy is innovative and resourceful and so are we. Our enemy never stops thinking of new ways to harm us and our country, and neither do we." G.W. Bush

    by litigatormom on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 08:57:59 PM PDT

  •  Hunter, I read this diary out loud to a friend. (none)
    It was determined immediately that you are quite insane. Keep up the good work.

    "Yes, but you Libs never mention that Valerie herself is a Democrat, too! Ha! Gotcha!"

    Sir, I am a professional. Do you want fries with that?

    by John West on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 09:00:41 PM PDT

  •  Cleansing rant (none)
    Maybe I shouldn't say this but if you ever have constipation, all you have to do is read a Hunter rant and...let's just say...that'll get things moving, if you know what I mean.
  •  Positively, gloriously (none)
    Gonzo.

    "Never think you've seen the last of anything." --Eudora Welty

    by gazingoffsouthward on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 09:06:58 PM PDT

  •  "wanton dumbassitude" is brilliant! (none)
    And the content of this diary ain't bad either.
  •  and on this noted diary, I will retire (none)
    to bed. Thank you, Hunter. Good night and Good luck? <g>
  •  In-hale...... (none)
    Brilliant rant. Let us not lose sight (through the Rove smoke-screen) that this may ultimately be about a forged document, and not just a blown cover. Magic is all about misdirection.

    "It's a good thing Buddhism teaches freedom from desire, because I've got the desire to kick your ass!" Richard Gere on The Simpsons

    by snowho on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 09:09:14 PM PDT

  •  Hunter (4.00)
    Best writer on Kos, possibly in all of Left Blogistan.
  •  I survived the dinner (none)
    without discussing politics. Miracles do happen.

    The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

    by irishwitch on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 09:28:12 PM PDT

  •  At the risk of repeating myself (4.00)
    Here's "the list" of excuses, updated up to yesterday (2 more excuses today still to add: Blame game and Fitz is in it for fame and fortune)

    Karl didn't do anything wrong.
    And even if he did, Valerie Plame wasn't a spy.
    And even if she was, she wasn't undercover.
    And even if she was, Wilson told everyone
    And even if he didn't, everyone knew who she was anyway.
    And even if they didn't, she had not done anything secret on the last 5 years.
    And even if she did, outing her wasn't a crime
    And even if it was, outing her did not ruin a 20 year CIA operation and their front company Brewster & Jennings
    And even if it did, outing her did not endanger her and her family
    And even if it did, outing her did not endanger other CIA agents who worked for her
    And even if it did, they deserved it because her CIA group was out to get Bush

    ...

    Complete list at
    Daily Kos: Rove's defense , a Summary, Version 3.3

  •  This hits like a Run-DMC concert. (none)
    Back around the first two albums.

    King of Rock, indeed.

  •  I was listening to Washington Journal (none)
    this morning on the way to class. It took three phonecalls for me to quickly click the BB King button.

    First caller...some weirdness about Stalinist Commies being lined up to protect Clinton from Freeh. Must've been the book she was discussing. But I lost track.

    Second caller...According to the newspapers he's reading <???>, Valerie Plame was not a covert agent and she was stationed in Cuba. Ummm...WTF?

    Response...Plame was (insert information here)

    Third caller..."Are you sure she had covert status? I'd heard that she'd been out of the CIA for 9 years. This is the most ridiculous investigation ever..."

    Response...Plame was a covert agent with unofficial status...

    I think that the Chicago Trib reporter was being particularly technical with his responses. Not sure why. Could've been that he was trying to be accurate...was frustrating as I grumbled at the radio.

    Click...BB King is better...

    "Computer. End holographic program...Computer? Computer?"

    by kredwyn on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 09:57:52 PM PDT

  •  NPR too (none)
    i heard it just the other day, for probably the dozenth time, on what i used to think was the one place to get smart reporting.

    but like they always seems to do, NPR's latest report mentioned - nay, highlighted - the utterly irrelevant fact that neither rove nor libby gave reporters plame's (totally unclassified and easily googled) name.

    or so they claim.

    ug.

    "The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity" -Yeats

    by jethropalerobber on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 10:17:50 PM PDT

  •  Somehow, I think the dumbasses are still not..... (none)
    ...going to understand it.  

    Somehow, their dumbassitude will win out, as they will likely respond with the following:

    "It's Clinton's fault!"

  •  Please sir, may I have your baby? (none)
    Instinctively I read this aloud a la Sandra Tsing Lo. Much too much fun in such a short time :o)

    THANKS!

    •  Sandra Tsing Lo and David Sedaris... (none)
      two of the best things about listening to NPR.

      WARNING: When not being directly observed, this post may cease to exist or exist only in a vague and undetermined state.

      by Democarp on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 11:20:34 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Like many others here ... (none)
    ... I bow before another Classic Hunter Rant.

    Might I add only one other Favorite Wingnut Avoidance Technique in this matter?  That, since she, gasp, went to Langley, that she could only be a "desk jockey," not possibly covert.  (Debunked in the middle of this old Media Matters column, among other places.)

    And another point is that the "desk jockey" myth, like so many of the other "discoveries" that you talk preach in a Way Most Fine and Righteous about are, like so much else, needless to say, reported by our fair and square media guradians as One Side of a story that must by necessity have Two Sides, and therefore we can't possibly know which side is right.

    I can't tell how many times I've seen/heard over the past two years references in the media (both print and broadcast) to how Fitzgerald was investigating whether a crime had been committed.  Okay, sure, in a technical sense we've gotta wait at least for some indictments:  but the question is not, of couse whether, but who did the dirty deed.  (Although I would note, and perhaps this is a sign of what is now known by the Kool Kidz in the Club of 500 about the likelihood of upcoming indictments, that more recent articles seem to speak of the truth of her outing as, gasp, a fact.)

    Or, put another way, if a body was found with a knife in its back, the Bush propaganda machine would spend the next two years debating whether it was an accident or, perhaps, a suicide, with the SCLM occasionally timidly noting how some folks believe that a crime has been committed, but that this was still uncertain ...

    -- Stu

  •  Would you believe she had a phone in her pumps? (4.00)
    THAT decided it once and for all.

    Man would I like to be a fly on the Cone of Silence. I missed my chance by... that much.

    "The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool." -- William Shakespeare, As You Like It

    by Eloi Scientist on Mon Oct 10, 2005 at 11:06:01 PM PDT

  •  Dear Hunter, (none)
    I'm going to make this simple. Well done sir and I love your diaries.
  •  Nice open mike riff... (none)
    It was fun to read in my jammies! (Want some cocoa? I have the good chocolate.)  :o)
  •  It's that they don't get that (none)
    it's that they don't care.
  •  next time, don't hold back (none)
    let yourself go. tell us what's really on your mind....

    heh heh

     "Socket Rientists of Journalism"

    Partially translated from the French:
    Rien-tist = Nothing-ist

  •  What do you expect (none)
    when they are still [this stupid? http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm] "Do you think Saddam Hussein was personally involved in the September 11th, 2001, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon?" . Yes No Unsure % % % ALL adults 33 55 12 Republicans 44 41 15 Democrats 25 67 8 Independents 32 55 13
    •  Sorry about formatting (none)
      "Do you think Saddam Hussein was personally involved in the September 11th, 2001, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the  Pentagon?"

      .
              Yes     No     Unsure        
              %     %     %        
          ALL adults     33     55     12        
            Republicans     44     41     15        
            Democrats     25     67     8        
            Independents     32     55     13        

      link

  •  Stupendously funny (none)
    and at the same time so TRUE.  This should be syndicated in papers across the country.
  •  "The American Thinker" (none)
    that site is called.

    The degree to which that name is perfectly appropriate is too depressing to contemplate.

    Remember that the only person you can count on is
    yourself, and even that only sometimes. -Tristan Bernard

    by timelad on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 03:02:15 AM PDT

  •  Damn you (none)
    You made it too simple... ;)
  •  Hunter is my hero (none)
    I heart Hunter.

    Great stuff as always.

  •  not only that (none)
    but Valerie had a vagina!

    Probably still does!

    "Every act of becoming conscious is an unnatural act." - Adrienne Rich

    by marjo on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 04:47:45 AM PDT

  •  What I don't get is how these traitors can (none)
    still be cleared for access to secure information, after they have demonstrated so clearly that they cannot be trusted iwth it.

    If I was in charge of some company's or some agency's security, the leakers and the participating journalists would be permanently banned from my building!

    "It is no longer possible to ignore the strangeness of our public discourse." - Al Gore

    by klevenstein on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 04:57:41 AM PDT

  •  Wilson was a Republican UNTIL (none)
    this administration screwed things up to the point that he felt he had to help save the country by joining the Kerry campaign.  I think that is very important.  Also Bush I appointed him to his position in Iraq in the first round with Saddam - AND he served with distinction.  Another important point for the dombasses on the right to remember.
  •  They Still Won't Get It (none)
    A lot of people think Saddam attacked the U.S. on 9/11.

    This is CLASS WAR, and the other side is winning.

    by Mr X on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 05:58:30 AM PDT

  •  Applause, applause, (standing) applause, (none)
    applause, applause, applause, applause, applause, applause, applause, applause, applause, applause, applause, applause, applause, applause, applause, applause, applause, applause, applause, applause, applause, applause, applause, applause, applause, applause, applause, applause, applause, applause, applause, applause, applause, applause, applause, applause!!!!!!!
  •  Good rant but... (none)
    I do think he overdid it just a little bit in the first paragraph, I think it went on a bit too long.
  •  Intelligent Design: (none)
    Two words that prove these people have no use for "investigative deduction".
  •  Hunter (none)
    I grovel in the presence of your creative insults.  I don't know if I'll ever be able to stop laughing at "wanton dumbassitude".  Thanks for making this morning cheerier.

    There is hardly a political question in the United States which does not sooner or later turn into a judicial one.

    by wolverinethad on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 08:27:04 AM PDT

  •  great work (none)
    The pathetic part is that there are some people out there who, despite the simplicity of your case, would read this and still not get it.

    Thankfully the group of right-wingnuts that I contend with regularly have moved passed the "maybe she wasn't covert" stage - unfortunately they're still stuck in the "Rove/Libby/Cheney/The White Man didn't know she was covert, therefore no crime was committed" train of logic.

    They're still working on the importance of those documents that these guys signed which say it it's their active responsibility to do the legwork and find out if what they reveal is secret or not.

    Good work, though - every once in a while a new wingnut arrives who isn't yet caught up on these sorts of nuances. This will be useful for them. Hell, I've got one right now who insists that, some day, somewhere, we'll find the missing WMD in Iraq or Syria or Iran or.... anywhere.

    Good work Hunter!

  •  The CIA doesn't determine whether someone.. (none)

    ...is covert or not.  The law does.  As the law is written, it is highly unlikely that she was a covert agent.  People keep repeating this "because the CIA wants a prosecution, she must have been covert" crap despite the fact it doesn't imply any such thing.


    The Joe Wilson affair made the entire CIA look like a bunch of idiots.  Of course they demanded an investigation, hell, if only as tit-for-tat for that.  Even if Fitzgerald folds without a single charge,  the whole media-drenched mess certainly cost Bush.  That alone is reason enough for the CIA, many of whom never liked Bush and resent Goss, to want to pursue it.

    •  Really? (none)
      So why did the Ashcroft DOJ agree, and the judges who have been involved with the case?

      Why was it necessary to roll up an operation, and agents and contacts endangered, upon Valerie Plame's exposure?

      You might want to consider that many details about Valerie Plame's career with the CIA remain classified, and that the people who have access to this information, including the CIA, DoJ, and judges with those eight pages of redacted text, know more than you do.

      •  Really. (none)

        Ashcroft agreed to investigate because sitting on it would have been more politically dangerous than appointing a special council.


        The supposed roll up and endangered contacts all comes from speculation from ex-CIA officials.  There's no evidence that any such thing actually did happen.


        There's no way that Valerie was legally undercover according to the statute.  She'd been based in the US for over 6 years, and her husband has repeatedly dodged the question of whether she had travelled by hiding behind the same "CIA brought charges, it must apply" fallacy displayed here earlier.


        If she had qualified as an undercover agent, this would have been over ages ago, and her husband would have been the first one to verify it.  There's a reason no one has been speculating about Fitzgerald bringing IIPA charges, it's because almost everyone is certain she wasn't really "undercover" in the legal sense.

        •  Did it occur to you (none)
          that maybe what Valerie has been doing for the CIA for the last six years cannot be talked about yet, and perhaps ever?  She at one point had non-official cover; for all we know, she still did at the time of her exposure.

          And that are other things that determine why the CIA considers her a covert agent?  For instance, however much you want to handwave, they had to roll up that operation upon her exposure, which hints at, oh, that her identity really did need to remain secret.

          And why, hmmm, otherwise did the infamous Air Force One memo have a classified designation on each page of it, with her CIA status specifically marked as classified?

          Unless you've seen the CIA damage report, which I really doubt since you need some serious top-level clearance for that, your claims have no weight.

          •  Then all the CIA has to do... (none)

            that maybe what Valerie has been doing for the CIA for the last six years cannot be talked about yet, and perhaps ever?  She at one point had non-official cover; for all we know, she still did at the time of her exposure.


            All the CIA has to do is produce her higher-ups who testify that she did indeed travel overseas to meet the legal requirement.  Does anyone actually believe they're going to make the CIA produce ticket stubs in court?  They could just hide behind national security.  So why won't they, other than fear of perjury?  Why won't even her husband say that's the case if it's true?


            And that are other things that determine why the CIA considers her a covert agent?  For instance, however much you want to handwave, they had to roll up that operation upon her exposure, which hints at, oh, that her identity really did need to remain secret.


            There was no "operation" to roll up.  The only source for that is an ex-CIA guy who wasn't with the agency at the time saying they hypothetically would have roll up any operations she was in.


            And why, hmmm, otherwise did the infamous Air Force One memo have a classified designation on each page of it, with her CIA status specifically marked as classified?


            Her CIA status was not marked as classified!  Only the entire section where her name was mentioned was.  Almost any documents discussing foreign affairs are marked classified.  What's more, having your name mentioned in classified documents doesn't in any way your actual identity is classified, only the topic of discussion.


            Unless you've seen the CIA damage report, which I really doubt since you need some serious top-level clearance for that, your claims have no weight.


            The burden of proof is (properly) on the CIA to prove that national security was damaged by this revelation.  Considering that Fitzgerald is still fishing for unrelated charges at this point, I'm pretty confident that they aren't going to be able to prove any such thing.


  •  This is strategy (none)
    Oh fuck, we have a really Bad Story coming at us.  What can we do?

    Well, basically, we mix up the words as much as possible and throw them out in different perambulations.  Next week it will probably be "Democrats claim that the CIA has classified the term "wife", but clearly this is untrue.  Therefore, Fitzgerald is a partisan hack..."

    It's easy and fun!  Try it with these other neat phrases:

    John Kerry Vietnam wound

    Saddam war Howard Dean safe

    Al Gore internet internal comubstion engine, etc, etc, etc...

    It's the refrigerator magnet school of rhetoric.

    "It's like we got Merrill Lynched"- Kanye West

    by ChicagoDem on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 10:30:42 AM PDT

  •  Wilson Plame (none)
    Thank you, somebody had to say it!
  •  Hunter Stars (none)
    Ignore the Mind Parasites!

    Hunter's post simply on target.

    Stupid is as Stupid does - some you can hit with a 2x4 and you will simply end up with toothpicks.

  •  all true, but consider this (none)
    in politics, as in most things, every time a new low is acheived it merely sets the starting point for the future. And when reminded of their transgressions, those that cross the line and set the new standard always blame precedent.

    Oj WAS guilty.
    This in my memory seems to have been the first time that a major portion of the population suspended disbelief in support of a political idea. Or at least they claimed to.

    Clinton WAS NOT about a blow job.
    We as progressives have to give up on this one if we want credibility about logic and truth. I mean really...does anyone remember the crap that Chuck Shumer spewed?, he was awful.
    Yes, it was a partisan witch hunt, a game of gotcha...umm, welcome to the bigs. but out of hubris he lied under oath and gave them all the evidence they needed for impeachment. Let it go,he was guilty. Lets move on. We wont even talk about the pardons.

    This administration has taken suspension of disbelief in politics to a new level, Karl Rove is a master of it. For a most part I dont believe that it is because the republican electorate are genuinely stupid. It is because they are believers in the cause and all they really need is a plausible story that they can use to defend their "team". We were guilty of it with Clinton...and we'll be guilty of it in the future unless we own up to it and recognize it for what it is.

  •  Who's fooling Who? (none)
      The ruling class must really think that the people of this county believe that Bush was really elected, that it's ok to reveal a CIA agent, that the Downing  Steet Memos meang nothing, that Cheney can operate a shadow government, that main stream media gives the whole story, that responsible people are placed in positions of authority, that qualified persons are nominated to the supreme court, that dismissed warnings of 9/11 and the result is forgotten, that the president can lie to congress to start a war,that it doesn't matter that 45 million live in poverty and  37 million don't have health care, that   just to say something makes it believable.
      Time to cancel this farce of show and admit that Bush and his cronies are incompetent failures and phonies. Impeach Bush and start over.
  •  Hunter, I assume (none)
    you have sent this to all the major news outlets.

    You may need to send them a phonetic guide to pronunciation as well.

    Excellent diary, as always.

  •  I knew that! Well said, Hunter (none)
    Woo hoo.
    There goes my dumbassitude ranking.

    So, now can you please write a diary about how the part where Bennet said that all black people are inherently criminal is the offensive part? Please? (I'd do it, but it wouldn't get as much traction)

    What do members of the Repub. leadership say when they bump into Pres. Bush? "Pardon me."

    by mungley on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 11:31:27 AM PDT

    •  Funny (none)
      you should bring that up today.  I got an e-mail this morning from the Salem Radio Network in response to the complaint I'd sent them back when this first broke.  Only took them over a week to reply...about a page of babbling about how I had clearly not read the full transcript, was unaware of the context, was relying on the evil librul media coverage that misrepresented Bennett, missed Bennett's apology, etc.

      I wrote back and told them they were missing the point and explained at great length what was offensive about Bennett's comments.  Not that I think they'll listen.

  •  Oh, Hunter! May I call you Hunter? (none)
    That was beautiful.  I have been trying to make those same points to my dear sainted rabidly republican 81 year old daddy.  You have articulated my inner feelings and now I will make him read this and say "See?  See?"  Thank you...
  •  Could you break that down for me Hunter? (none)
    Sort of a-b-c it for me???

    We're off to see the liberal the wizardly liberal D-kos we hear he is a lib-er-al wiz if ever a liberal blogged

    by phelander on Tue Oct 11, 2005 at 01:03:55 PM PDT

  •  Looks like they need more help (none)
    Help us please!

    LOL  Anyone want to post a link to this there?

  •  /amen (none)
    "I'm going to board the U.S.S. Really Fucking Simple, and snag you a seat at the captain's table."

    an instant classic.

  •  GREAT DIARY (none)
    You're imaginative and very funny.  I feel the same way.  

    I think many people have always been red-neck ignorant in the U.S., but the present time seems the worst.

    Keep writing.

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