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WSJ/NBC. 10/8-10. MoE 3.4% (9/9-12 results)

In general, do you approve or disapprove of the job that George W. Bush is doing as president?

Approve 39 (40)
Disapprove 54 (55)

Funny how these under-40 polls are becoming mundane. But here's a bonus:

With the 2006 congressional elections a year away, 48 percent of respondents said they preferred a Democratic-controlled Congress, compared with 39 percent who said they preferred Republican leadership, NBC said.

The 9-point difference was the largest margin between the parties in the 11 years the NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll had been tracking the question, NBC said.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 11:30 PM PDT.

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  •  Well, there was one other new point to be made... (4.00)
    Tim Russert discussed this poll on the news today and mentioned that they also polled African Americans and that only 2% approved of Bush and the GOP Congress!

    Not surprising to me at all!

    •  Yep, was gonna mention that.... (none)
      damn near "shit" my pants when i heard that.  2%?  TWO FUCKING PERCENT?  I've never heard of an ENTIRE racial class being in favor of ANYONE at only 2%.  That has to be statistically damn near impossible but Katrina lives on.  Whew.
      •  They lost ANY hope for cutting into (none)
        the black vote after the Katrina debacle.  Before that, I think they thought they could use the religion card to convert (pardon the expression) them.  Not bloody likely...

        When you are going through hell, keep going! - Winston Churchill

        by flo58 on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 11:51:50 PM PDT

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      •  No kidding.... (none)
        Who could love an administration that constantly shafts you? Kanye West put it best: "George Bush doesn't care about black people".

        48% want Dem leadership. So do I. It's time to take back Congress. It's time to rid the House of Delay and Blunt. In the Senate, let's be the first to show Frist the door and give him a kick as he prepares to exit for his presidential run. Good luck with that SEC subpoena, Mr. Catkiller!

        •  Until 2004.... (none)
          .... the percentage split in the two party vote roughly mirrored the split in representation in the House of Representatives.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._House_election%2C_2002

          Right now the vote splits 48-39. If the undecideds break similarly, that results in a 55-45 split of the two party vote. 55% of 435 is 240.....

          Imagine that; 240 seats in the House! Its time to clean some Republican clocks!

          "When the Nationals took over the NL East lead in early June, Frank Robinson should have declared: MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"

          by crazymoloch on Thu Oct 13, 2005 at 12:16:25 AM PDT

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          •  I like the optimism... (none)
            However, I would caution that envisioning a proportionality between the electorate's preference and the House's actual composition overlooks the fact that we have Republican gerrymandering working against us in many states, including Texas and Pennsylvania.
          •  BPK is right (none)
            We should temper our optimism.

            Being unhappy with "the Republicans in Congress" and being unhappy with "your Republican in Congress" are two separate things.  There's plenty of space for voters to be angry with the president and Republicans without wanting to take that out on his or her particular representative.

            We've got a tough road ahead of us.

            N.  

            •  Exactly (none)
              Most voters I know usually they say they dislike "Congress" as a whole, but then say, "But my rep is OK by me."

              The Dem leadership needs to learn this.  All politics is local.  And they need to tailor a message that resonates on that local level, not just nationally.  Bottom up, not top down.

              The world is made for those who are not cursed with self-awareness. -- Annie Savoy, from "Bull Durham"

              by wmtriallawyer on Thu Oct 13, 2005 at 09:11:30 AM PDT

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        •  The Problems With Polls Like That (none)
          Is that too many respondents who want a Dem controlled Congress will end up voting for their slug of a GOP Congresscritter when it comes time to vote.  Last year while canvassing it was depressing to hear even committed Dem voters talk about what a "nice guy" our incumbent GOPerative was.  

          "L'enfer, c'est les autres." - Jean Paul Sartre, Huis Clos

          "L'enfer, c'est le GOP!" - JJB, from an idea by oratorio

          by JJB on Thu Oct 13, 2005 at 06:18:52 AM PDT

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          •  The problems with polls like that (none)
            There are also the facts that the House is so gerrymandered that it will be very hard to take it, even with the country voting 9% in the aggregate for the Dems, and also that the election is more than a year off, long enough for Katrina to be forgotten and for the upcoming recession to begin to turn around so that people will feel like "things are getting better."
        •  what kayne forgot to add is w doesn't give a damn (none)
          about anyone but his cronies.
      •  No surprise here. (none)
        I was visiting family just after the huricane, three days with my conservative uncle (only black person I know that's an actual registered republican).

        Damn near shitted my pants one of those days when I walked inside just in time to hear my uncle screaming about Barbra Bush after she made that dumbassed remark.  Later on my aunt told me he had snapped over things a few months before.  Claimed he was never voting republican again.  :D

        •  my uncle died yesterday morning in a hospital (none)
          here in houston. he lay for 15 damn hours at the airport in midcounty waiting for a plane. perrry fucked that up also. the administrator had to call senator hutchinson to get the planes. he went downhill after that. he was very upset about what happened. now i don't say the wait killed him but it did not help and i personally think hurt quite a bit. my sister had a relative actually die at the airport. so i don't want to hear bush, perry, or any politican pat themselves on the back about what great dudes they are anymore. i want them shut their damn mouths and go to work.
      •  that's a surprising number (none)
        every republican for a long time as always polled aroung 10 to 15 percent of the AA community in elections. that number is really shocking. i hope this will put to rest the diaries claiming that the republicans have sucessfully woo'ed the african american vote. actually, those should have been put to rest with another diary recently that covered the actual stats versus all the "my mama voted republican this time, and she's black" diaries.
        •  Actually it doesn't put to rest those diaries (none)
          As an African American, I can tell you that there is very real unrest and anger at being taken for granted by a growing number of blacks regarding the Dem Party. Were it not the case, the GOP wouldn't have been able to use religion to trick some blacks into voting Republican!

          There IS a problem and Dean is correct. The Dem party needs to treat blacks as a swing vote because a growing number of young blacks aren't willing to vote Dem automatically. Katrina helped stall the GOP effort and remind some young blacks of the validity in the racial and class stereotyping of the GOP. But the Dem party needs to capitalize upon it and develop a committed plan of outreach and inclusion - and go beyond the viewing of blacks as victims.

          •  I am also african american and live in an (none)
            all black neighhood. and grew up in one. the discontent with the Democratic Party has been there forever- so when you say growing I have no idea what you mean. My point was about the diaries that come on here trying to say blacks are discontent because of gays or other such nonsense. Like most African American are such much more homophobic than the White community, and more importantly would change our voting patterns because of it. It's this silliness which annoys me because it covers up real issues of concern for most African Americans- namely, capital, jobs, healthcare, education and rights. Instead of honestly talking about these problems, there are multiple diaries- at least 3 or 4 with a lot of comments, which have proclaimed it's the conservative social issues which drives the issues that African Americans have with the Democrats rather than the bread and butter issues. When I point out that people making these diaries, at least to me, have some agenda other than helping out the people I see around me everyday, my point is ignored. That point being precisely that these issues aren't new, and have nothing to do with the latest demonization of whatever social issues by the Republicans.

            As for my point about the stats, they aren't moving in any event to the Republicans- which is what I heard was happening with the faith based inniatives and their impact on AAs. Okay, if this were true, I would like to see some numerical corraboration. It reminds me of the other small movements in the black community. Remember that black lady who ran with Perot's party? The point here is you have to either prove your position is accurate with the numbers or commission some study to prove your point. Right now, all I am hearing is very thin "what I am seein" stuff, and that's simply in the face of actual numbers not going to cut it.

            Let me give you a quick examples. Many of these diaries about gays took it as fact without proving anything beyond the commone wisdom that blacks were more homophobic than whites. Both at Mydd.com and here diaries of actual stats have been posted, including in the anti marriage amendments to show that blacks were either even or in some cases less homophobic than whites. Only in a few cases were they more so. Moreover, in these exact same states- the black voters split their votes- those for the marriage amendment turned around and voted for Kerry. Indeed, this holds up with my own anecdotal evidence of what I saw working in the election.

            This is why I have a problem with a lot of the anecdotal study people are using. It's not that y'all aren't right about the discontent. But, it's not growing and it's not new. It's been there since forever. Trying to blame it on recent social events or govt programs, seems to me to miss the deeper point of what is occuring.

          •  PS (none)
            And in fact the numbers are not only not moving to the Republicans, but are at a level that are historically the highest they have been against the Republicans. The Republicans could always count on a certain percentage of blacks to vote for them. Even David Duke polled 3 to 6 percent of the black vote as I remember it in LA. The fact that the numbers are so low here is startingly even considering margin of error.
    •  Poor Tim (4.00)
      His face was all twisted.  So NOW does he understand what Americans are thinking?  Pissant hack.  Get with the goddammed program.  I can't believe this hack was ever working class.

      Freaking Vanderbilt stock Anderson Cooper is making the case better than freaking working class Russert.  

      The world is upside down.

      Kudos to Anderson, for having a heart & being a human.  Feh on Russert, for being a tool.

      History will judge them.

      I'll march with Anderson.

      The future ain't what it used to be. Yogi Berra

      by x on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 11:46:51 PM PDT

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    •  Golly gee, (none)
      and I kept hearing on this site that all blacks were going to vote for Republicans because they hate gays, and that Democrats needed to get rid of the gays if they wanted to win black voters back.
    •  Michael Steele (none)
      Article in today's WashPo Steele for Senate!? pontificates on Steel's ability to split the African-American vote in MD. If I were a Maryland Dem (which I am), I'd be pushing my various party organizations to associate Steel with Bush at every opportunity, starting yesterday.

      Zirc

    •  That two percent being (none)
      Alan Keyes, Bernard Goldberg, and that guy I saw screaming in front of McDonald's with his pants down. He was saying something about taking the fight to the enemy, I don't know, couldn't really make it out.

      They try to hide the poverty, but the poverty can't be hidden

      by spelunking defenestrator on Thu Oct 13, 2005 at 07:23:24 AM PDT

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    •  That 2% = (none)
      margin of error.

      Visit RemoveRepublicans.com and follow every 2006 Senate race.

      by AnthonySF on Thu Oct 13, 2005 at 07:48:08 AM PDT

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  •  Come on (none)
    this is all Bill Clinton's fault
  •  Now (none)
    with the president under 40 percent the number I'm looking for is 60 as in how many disapprove of the president.

    It will be conforting to know that if you round up 10 people and put them in a room, 6 of them will dislike Bush (of it all changes depending on what part of the country you are in)

    NAACP Disaster Relief Fund NAACP.org

    by EMKennedyLucio on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 11:35:13 PM PDT

  •  Good news indeed (none)
    With the 2006 congressional elections a year away, 48 percent of respondents said they preferred a Democratic-controlled Congress, compared with 39 percent who said they preferred Republican leadership, NBC said.

    And, in 2007, with a Democratic congress, all the impeachment talk will indeed be relevent.

    2006 can and should be a referendum on Bush.

  •  Good news but not great news (none)
    Who are these 39% that approve? Seriously, wtf? What does bush have to do to piss these people off. Will a intern giving him a bj do it for them? Is that more important? I don't get it.

    Excuse me while my head asplodes!

    •  Mortgage Interest (4.00)
      Kablooowie!!!!!

      The future ain't what it used to be. Yogi Berra

      by x on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 11:50:00 PM PDT

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    •  Yeah I wonder that too (none)
      That 39 pct cannot be all right wing religious folks. So I am going to venture a guess that the Sheep are a higher percentage than I ever imagine or this p0ll is heavily skewed Republican affluent, corporate, or religious right heavy.  I doubt the hard right as a whike  is a number as high as 39 pct!

      Tom Coburn: There is No crying in Baseball or SCOTUS Hearings. Your brain has been recalled.

      by wishingwell on Thu Oct 13, 2005 at 02:36:07 AM PDT

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    •  4 out of 5 Republicans (none)
      Say close to half the country still admits to being Republican. Close to 80% of those people still say they approve of Bush. They may not be able to identify a single specific that they approve, but party loyalty still tells them they need to support the party's anointed king.
      •  As a former, repentant (none)
        Republican, I can tell you that for many, many people on the right, at least most I personally knew, the connection is as much deeply personal (read:emotional) as it is rational.

        I always felt a tad funny in the GOP, since my allegiance is rationalist - either to right or left - and I just have to admit to being a tad naive - it took control of Congress and the WH to really demonstrate their bona-fides...by Spring of '01, I knew we were screwed.  I had such high hopes for Whitman in the EPA...there, does that example show you how naive?  

        Anyway, when conversing with most fellow GOPers, I always had the sense of the funny looks they gave me, as if they didn't really get what I was saying, or why it would even be relevant to being a 'conservative'.  My point is: a lot of them don't really even get why it is they are 'conservative' - it's not a rational process.  That's why the left has such a hard time understanding them.

        It also goes a long way towards explaining why I feel so at home after the switch, and why the left suffers from endless internal bickering.  The relative who knew me better than I knew myself were right: when forced to pick sides, you (I) will be a democrat.  

        •  i switched during the clinton impeachment. (none)
          i could plainly see they were no longer the grand ole party(may it rest in peace). i just got off the phone with a far right religeous friend who has medical problems. i don't talk about religeon to her, but today she was quite upset with state of things and started with take care of americans first. well, i think there you will see bush and the repubs downfall. when americans finally figure out they are last on the list, the pitchforks come out.
          •  Yeah...me too. (none)
            ...my conversion started then...I really couldn't stomach that and wrote letters to my congress critter and senators - not that it mattered - Goode is from Southwest/southside VA (Robertson, Falwell and Dobson's heartland), and George "punch my wife" Allen and John Warner weren't about to take a stand against the impeachment.  No, Clinton really shouldn't have taken advantage of her - not that I don't understand the temptation at all - Monica is/was an attractive gal - but people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, and, last I checked, aside from the public humiliation, Monica wasn't exactly an unwilling partner (yes, I know that's a tough call anytime there is a disparate power relationship - there are such things as mitigating factors).

            I just figured it was an aberration - not the script for the next 8 years.  I honestly figured it was the last, extreme hurrah for the religious right.  As you said: Rest in Peace.  The party is now nothing more than big business lobby and real estate developers.  I guess, aside from his drug laws, I really am a Rockefeller Republican - the old northeaster liberal variety - and we always were just a minority.  

            I know the DLC is much hated in these parts, for sometimes good reasons.  I just have to say: they moved the party in a fiscal direction I could support.  Al Gore's 'efficient' smaller government - government that works for you - and Welfare reform, went a long , long way to making me comfortable with the Dems.  There was a real attempt to reform the quasi-corrupt largess of the dem. pork machine.  And I say this as someone who's worked in public service sector (public school teacher and community service board).  

    •  Heating bills this winter (none)
      Kablooowie!!!!!
  •  A Response to Republicans (4.00)
    Next time a Republican decries the Democrats as "the party of NO", we ought to counter with:

    Well, don't you usually say "NO" to a Rapist?

    They have totally Raped this Once Great Country and Bush's poll numbers is a reflection of that fact.

  •  How much is too much? (none)
    You have to wonder how much bad news one party has to take before the voting public gets pissed off enough to dump them from power.

    Will it all just be "mundane," to use Kos' word, by November 2006? Will the majority accept the mundane (read: corrupt, incompetent, inflexible, wrong-headed) leadership?

    I'm hopeful that grassroots efforts and new media will at least have some small impact.

    A fella's gotta be optimistic, right?

    •  Keep the faith, baby (none)
      Just keep your dukes up & keep on mashing 'em.

      We can do it. They deserve it.

      The future ain't what it used to be. Yogi Berra

      by x on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 11:54:41 PM PDT

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    •  I thought the high gas prices would do it but no.. (none)
      A cold winter with the price of home heating oil? Inflation? I dunno. It's depressing. Why does America hate America.

      /last time i play the hate america card.

    •  I know, it's weird. (none)
      If we're serious in 2006, I want to see national party attention...well in advance of the election...of attacking whatever referendums, state constitutional amendments, etc., that the Republicans will use to bring out their base...or what's left of it.

      Question for all:  is there a site out there which identifies any and all referendums and the like in all 50 states?

      Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it.

      by gavodotcom on Thu Oct 13, 2005 at 12:46:30 AM PDT

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    •  if kos doesn't see how serious the mood of the (none)
      country is, then he missed the boat on that one bigtime.
  •  11 years? (none)
    The biggest in 11 years, you say?  As in, bigger than right before the 1994 elections?  I mean, I know 2006 is a year away, but how many seats switched parties in 1994?
    •  I think... (none)
      the Dems had a 56-44 lead in the senate before 1994.  Which means they lost at least 7 seats in the senate.  

      Even though gaining 7 seats this time around may be overly optimistic, there is potential for a gain of 3-7 seats.  As we all know by now, those hot seats are 1. Rhode Island, 2. Penn, 3. Ohio 4. Missouri, 5. Montana, 6. Arizona, 7. Tenn, -and with a Dem mandate and a referendum on Bush- 8. Nevada, 9. Maine.  How sweet that would be.  

      •  Pennsylvania will NOT elect Santorum again (none)
        Was just up there visiting my parents.  He wrote his book and all you have to do is read it.  Even Pennsylvania Republicans are turned off.  Expect that there will be little incentive for Republicans to go to the polls in PA.

        JESUS SAVES! Republicans run up the debt.

        by DCArchitect on Thu Oct 13, 2005 at 06:12:56 AM PDT

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  •  Nine points and counting (none)
    At the rate the White House is imploding, the number of people preferring a Democratic Congress will continually grow.  Especially so if the religious conservatives decide to stay home -- which is entirely possible...

    When you are going through hell, keep going! - Winston Churchill

    by flo58 on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 11:48:11 PM PDT

  •  Losing popularity, losing the people's trust. (4.00)
    David Frum at the (very conservative) National Review interprets the significance of Laura Bush's new role in salvaging the Miers nomination.

    By asking the first lady to defend the nomination, the White House is implicitly admitting that the president's word alone has failed to carry the day: That, in other words, when he said, "Trust me," conservatives said "No." The first lady's appearance was a dangerous confession of personal and political weakness by the president - one that will be noticed and exploited by the president's Democratic opponents.

    Alright, that's our cue.

    "You can't talk to the ignorant about lies, since they have no criteria." --Ezra Pound

    by machopicasso on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 11:48:24 PM PDT

  •  Letterman is slaying Bush tonight (none)

    "The concentration [of the legislative, executive and judicial powers] in the same hands is precisely the definition of despotic government." - Jefferson

    by El Payo on Wed Oct 12, 2005 at 11:59:25 PM PDT

  •  Interesting bumper sticker (none)
    I saw it this evening.

    "Bill Clinton is no longer the worst president in history"

    What's the demographic for a bumpersticker like that? Who thinks there's a buck to be made making bumperstickers like that?

    Bush seems to be falling through the floor previously set for him. I think this is evidence of that.

    --- My opinions are my own and not my employer's.

    by Aexia on Thu Oct 13, 2005 at 12:00:06 AM PDT

    •  It is rather interesting (none)
      That I keep running into people who disliked Clinton but have deep anger and dislike for Bush.

      Tom Coburn: There is No crying in Baseball or SCOTUS Hearings. Your brain has been recalled.

      by wishingwell on Thu Oct 13, 2005 at 02:38:49 AM PDT

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    •  Clinton no longer worst (none)
      I never thought he was. But I have Republican friends who almost literally think BC is the Antichrist. And you know something? I have f___in' had it with such people. I've had little discussions with Pubs who simply smirk and scoff when I give them my opinion of Oedipal Tex and His blessed war and what it's costing. I can just hear them thinking, "Oh, there he goes with the LIB talking points." My ex-pastor became my ex-pastor after telling us 2 weeks before the election that God would get anybody who didn't vote pro-life. He's so tenderly concerned about the "pre-born" and doesnt' appear to give a damn about 19-yr-olds coming home without eyes, legs, faces, etc. Oh, yes, that BLOWJOB was the end of morality and decency in the universe. Bush's war? Best thing since sliced bread.
  •  Bush under 40%, YAWN...but let me blog about it! (none)
    Apparently it's not mundane enough not to qualify as a front page entry.

    The people of New Orleans got left behind

    by diplomatic on Thu Oct 13, 2005 at 12:10:36 AM PDT

  •  President's rating is most important (none)
    Remember that when Clinton had low approval ratings, Republicans took Congress. When Reagan had low approval ratings, Democrats took back the senate. In 2002 Bush was the main reason some of these hacks got elected. In 2004 he was still somewhat of a plus or at least a neutral. It's important to keep him a liability instead of shrugging him off, because with all the gerrymandering and the media control, the GOP still have a big advantage. Bush is a liability.
    •  i say we hang this bastard (none)
      around every moderate republican's neck like a fucking albatross. time to complete the ideological shift that began in the south in '94 by taking all of the rockefeller republicans in the northeast, midwest and west.

      actually, if southern blacks are pissed off enough and turn out in high enough numbers at the same point when conservatives start staying home, parts of the south that we've written off entirely may start tipping our way.

      crimson gates reek with meat and wine/while on the streets, bones of the frozen dead -du fu (712-770)

      by wu ming on Thu Oct 13, 2005 at 12:48:02 AM PDT

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      •  They should be slain (none)
        by these poor numbers but many moderates seem to think their "old school" Republican principles are protected from this widespread disapproval.
        •  There's some truth to this. (none)
          First, most people like their congressman.  "Those Republican rats down in Washington are so corrupt.  Glad [insert your state here] can still find honorable men to represent us."

          For example, in Pennsylvania, if it was Specter running for reelection, he'd have absolutely no trouble being reelected.  Santorum can't play the moderate, but Specter can.  Of course Arlen has some bona fides to back it up.  In a moderate state like PA, moderate Republicans (and moderate Democrats) tend to do well.  In deep red states, I imagine that   claiming "old school" Republican values would be even easier.

          JESUS SAVES! Republicans run up the debt.

          by DCArchitect on Thu Oct 13, 2005 at 06:22:33 AM PDT

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      •  That's the problem (none)
        Will they be inspired to show up? Will Democrats inspire them? Maybe the best we can hope for is that a lot of Republicans stay home. I'm just worried because 2006 elections are still so far away, plenty of time for the GOP to divert attention onto divisive issues yet again.
  •  Bush has been in trouble for awhile now, (none)
    I yawn right along with you, Kos.

    What's next?

    Democrats-Not just for welfare anymore!

    by kvillegas on Thu Oct 13, 2005 at 12:21:14 AM PDT

  •  John McCain: Our long national nightmare is over (none)
    Top Republic leaders are being attacked now, and what this means is that there REALLY HAS been a good, but seriously misled America out there all along, people who had simply decided to give Bush a chance to prove himself. Once it became clear Bush was wrong for America anxious prosecutors began to react to the new anti-Bush pressures. Polls showing Bush under 40% tell the entire story. In that other 60% exist
    the people who matter most, America's upper-middle class. Tax cuts are no longer enough to justify sitting by watching the nation collapse. We have all just heard the rich say WHOOPS! We'll soon see Bush gone. He won't have the strength to resist. McCain is the only Repub left America will accept. He'll soon be saying 'My fellow Americans, our long national nightmare is over'.
    •  Yes (none)
      I can see him saying that and that is what we need to prepare for. MCCain or Rudy will start campaigning as Saviours of the Party and the Country. We cannot let another Republican swoop in and try to blame it all on Bushco and try to keep the dirt off themselves by turning on Bush.

      Democrats have to be prepared to offer a clear and convincing alternative.

      Tom Coburn: There is No crying in Baseball or SCOTUS Hearings. Your brain has been recalled.

      by wishingwell on Thu Oct 13, 2005 at 02:44:13 AM PDT

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      •  Bob Woodward (none)
        came and spoke at my college a while back, and he said that the Reps love old warhorse candidates (Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush, Dole).  Who is the head old warhorse candidate of the Rep party?  Dick Cheney.  Woodward said he asked Cheney if he was running and Woodward said that it was the most disbelievable 'No' answer he's ever seen.  I really really hope Cheney runs.  It would be a gift from God for the Dems.  If not him, the best thing for the Dems would be for one of the wingnuts like Frist or Santorum to win the Rep nomination.  
      •  Rudy is a Twit (none)
        he had his moment, it's over. He could never withstand the kind of scrutiny that a president candidate must endure. McCain, on the other hand, is dangerous. He has great political instincts and a large number of people think of him as honest...we can only hope that his battles with the Republican leadership keep him down.
    •  We will have to remind America (none)
      of that fond embrace between McCain and Bush in the campaign 2004.  And remember the campaign plane appearance.  John McCain is just a continuation of the nightmare.  
  •  GO DUBYA GO, GO, GO! (none)
    Just a few more foul-ups and he could break the 30's.  

    Go Bush!

  •   Oh boy. Bush has just shot both of his feet off. (none)
    Estate tax, heating costs, fuel prices, the pseudo carpenter bit, to mention just a few. And now the proposed rescinding of the mortgage deduction.

    Bush will be truly a lame duck.

    •  The mortgage deduction thing (none)
      is just a trial balloon--even "W" isn't that stupid. His people put it out, he reassures everyone it won't happen, uses it to try and get regular folks to identify with rich people who want to keep their tax cuts. Maybe it won't work this time...we can hope.
  •  Can the Dems keep it up until 2006? (none)
    Or down as the case may be...

    I really wish we had Democrats proposing some changes vocally.

    If 1.3 million people fell into poverty in 2004, that's 3,561 people per day. That's more people than most people will know in their lifetime.

    If poor people do not have coverage for medication they need to combat mental illness, how are we going to deal with the outcome of that?

    How can we reduce the 2 million+ prison population. Is it possible that if this prison population is increasing at a very high rate every year, the current policies of punitive judicial action are not working? It's taboo, but it's true.

    Consider: America spends 50% more incarcerating 1.2 million non-violent offenders than the entire $16.6 billion the federal government is currently spending on welfare programs that serve 8.5 million people;

    (source: here)

    Complaining about the current state of things only goes so far. To demonstrate that government can be a solution to a country's problems, we need to propose some solutions.

    •  Heh (none)
      I just noticed how hypocritical it was to say that complaining about the current state of things only goes so far when my post only complains about the current state of things.

      I'll admit I don't know how to solve the few problems I mentioned.

    •  Official "poverty rate" is absurd anyway (4.00)
      Note: The US government set the poverty threshold for a family of four in 2004 at $19,307 per year.  For individuals it was $9,645 per year.  What bozo thinks you can even exist on that?

      Look at how far this goes even if a single person lives an ridiculously frugal life:

      Food...say you can get by on $4.00/day which is only possible if you eat nothing but beans and rice, pasta and water every day (forget meat, fish or even a green vegetable or fruit... or ever getting so much as 1 Burger King meal a month).  That alone is $1460 a year.  Assume a ridiculously low housing cost of $400 a month = $4,800 / year.  Add bare-bones basic utilities (e.g. basic phone, electric, water, heat (keep the thermostat at 55) = $100 a month, or $1,200 / year. Add extremely low transportation costs of $4.40 a day (about a single round trip local bus fare in Philly)= $1,606/yr.  Forget health insurance, since millions don't even have that luxury. You are ALREADY up to $9,066 / year.  You now have $579 a YEAR ($48.25 a month or $12.06 a WEEK)for EVERYTHING else...you know, for luxuries such clothing, medicines, toilet paper, soap, light bulbs, occassional trip to the emergency room since you can't go to a doctor regularly, car repairs (not that you'd have a car)...

      As dumbya would say (if he ever gave it a single thought)....poverty in America is greatly misunderestimated.  Whatever.  More tax cuts anyone?

      If the official poverty rate were set at anywhere remotely at a reasonable figure, the amount of poverty in America would shock most of us (except for Barbara Bush who would assume that living frugally works out well for "them").  

      •  Thanks (I think)... (none)
        ...for the cold, hard numbers. Ye gods. But don't impugn Our Golden Warrior Prince. It's not His fault--it's Clinton's! Yes, even today, the Clenis(TM) continues radiating evil and corrupting the fabric of the universe.
  •  Even Rasmusen (none)
    When I get overly excited by low Bush numbers, I like to take myself down a notch by looking at Rasmussen who can almost always be counted on to be above or close to 50% approval.

    But Rasmussen's been running at 43% lately. Holy crap! Now I'm excited.

  •  Another poll question: Right/wrong direction (none)
    The "is the country headed in the right direction question" of this latest poll also gives us a shocker:

    Only 28% answered "right direction."

    When was the last time the country was so united in concern about its direction?

    •  I often wonder (none)
      the impact of the Right Direction/Wrong Direction Survey questions. As remember this past Election, Wrong Direction was winning out in the polls taken yet Bush won the election. I often wonder how this question translates as wrong direction seems to be the answer given on a lot of poll questions. But does it translate into votes for Democrats is my biggest question? Of course, if the Presidential election were held in November 2005 instead of 2004, I think we would be looking at an entirely different outcome..maybe.

      Tom Coburn: There is No crying in Baseball or SCOTUS Hearings. Your brain has been recalled.

      by wishingwell on Thu Oct 13, 2005 at 03:34:20 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Good question. My two guesses are... (none)
        1. Still need to present a good alternative. We didn't in 2004, letting a HUGE opportunity slip away.

        2. The presence of us Kossaks is the reason for the "wrong direction" responses from some folks. That is, there are some Bushies and NeoCons and Norquislings out there who think -- get this -- WE have too much power. So a "wrong direction" response could be a vote for the status quo.
      •  Don't forget (none)
        There are a lot of people who vote Republican because America is headed in the wrong direction.

        "To many gay people walking around out in the open.  They're on TV for Christ sake!  And evolution!  We need to have prayer back in school now or there will be another terrorist attack" kinda people.  To them America is headed in the wrong direction, but they'll still vote Republican.

        What you're getting is people responding with the same answer for precisely opposite reasons.

        JESUS SAVES! Republicans run up the debt.

        by DCArchitect on Thu Oct 13, 2005 at 06:32:55 AM PDT

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  •  If this keeps up, (4.00)
    the media may someday have to stop referring to him as popular.

    Somewhere around 2001, Mr. Spock grew a beard.

    by Olds88 on Thu Oct 13, 2005 at 04:11:12 AM PDT

    •  But don't you get it (none)
      you're supposed to like him. You're supposed to be enamored of that goofy imbeclic smirking wit and want to invite him out for a beer.

      No American would dislike someone like that. Just because people do dislike him, doesn't mean they would.

      (theft credits to TDS)

      "Mediocre artists borrow, great artists steal" -Picasso

  •  Before we get too excited here (none)
    we need to know a few more things about this poll, such as who was polled.

    General public?  Registered voters?  Likely voters?

    It's going to make a huge difference.

  •  This is not cause for celebration (none)
    Think about it, it means that 4 in 10 American's STILL think that Bush is OK. WTF does it take to get through to the 40% stupid, the 40% insane, the 40% sadists the 40% immoral etc., etc......

    This may bode well for a change at the next general election but it shows that only the symptom is being addressed and not the disease.

    'Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it'. - GBS

    by stevej on Thu Oct 13, 2005 at 05:13:55 AM PDT

    •  honestly (none)
      George Bush could get caught watching kiddie porn with Michael Jackson and he'd still have 35% - 40% support. That's why it's called his base. As long as they keep listening to Limbaugh, Hannity, FOX News, etc., they won't ever be in touch with reality, and they'll just blame everything on those nasty old libruls who just hate, hate, hate everything.

      On the flip side, if we had a truly great president in office, the polar opposite of Bush, who actually did his job and did it well, he'd probably still only have 60% - 65% approval or so, for the same reasons above.

      Thus, the problem with having a biased media.

      "This...this is the fault of that Clinton Penis! And that powermongering wife of his!"

      by CaptUnderpants on Thu Oct 13, 2005 at 05:40:47 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Fox vs. reality (none)
        You just reminded me of an experience I had last summer, in a doctor's waiting room with the TV on Fox news--(I was stuck there for over an hour while my husband underwent a medical procedure that involved partial anethesia)--it was like bizarro world. The war in Iraq was going great, the Justice Dept busted some terrorist masterminds, plus (this was really painful) they had an EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW with everybody's hero GEORGE W. BUSH! which was a total hand-job, of course. It was so weird, though, that I went home and got online and checked the MSM sites and CNN to see if the world had turned upside down...nope...Fox News is a whole 'nother dimension.
      •  It is an education problem - (none)
        If critical thinking/analysis was properly taught in schools Fox and their ilk would have no market.

        'Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it'. - GBS

        by stevej on Thu Oct 13, 2005 at 06:45:21 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  so (none)
    I notice there wasn't a noticeable drop due to the Harriet Miers nomination -- from 40% to 39%. I would have expected at least a few percentage points from his base to fall away. Hmm.

    "This...this is the fault of that Clinton Penis! And that powermongering wife of his!"

    by CaptUnderpants on Thu Oct 13, 2005 at 05:36:24 AM PDT

  •  39% approve = mercury in the water supply? (none)

    My signature lines have been awful recently.

    by alkland on Thu Oct 13, 2005 at 05:42:56 AM PDT

  •  Americans waking up (none)
    I think Bushco's latest "terror" scare backfire and it could be all the political capital he gained from 9/11 is all used up and he won't be able to drum up support by invoking the magic mantra "trust me to protect you".
  •  OK Press people.....you can do it. (none)
    Let's see those headlines:

    "The Deeply Unpopular President Bush Today....."

    "Bush, The Most Unpopular President in History....."

    "The Worst President in American History Today....."

    Come on pretty Press boys and girls! You can do it.  It's the truth, so go ahead and print it!  We are waiting......

    Geonomist - Charge for privileges; abolish taxes on production.

    by Geonomist on Thu Oct 13, 2005 at 06:40:45 AM PDT

  •  And yet (none)
    With the 2006 congressional elections a year away, 48 percent of respondents said they preferred a Democratic-controlled Congress, compared with 39 percent who said they preferred Republican leadership, NBC said.

    The 9-point difference was the largest margin between the parties in the 11 years the NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll had been tracking the question, NBC said.

    And yet I predict that we will continue hearing how Republicans represent the silent majority.

  •  It will continue to slide. (none)
    It's at 39%, and Rove and company have not even been charged yet.  Just wait until that noodle hits the fan for Bushco.  

    And, this fool has not even served one year of his second term.  I have heard of buyers remorse, but this seems incredible.

  •  I'll bet anything (none)
    that Bush is praying for another terrorist attack.  They hate this country and are in love with power and greed.
  •  Someone please explain this to me (none)
    Bushie has a 39% approval rating
    51% of the electorate voted him in
    why are those people now complaining that he isnt doing a good job
    he has given them EVERYTHING that he promised he would

    War
    High Defecits
    Less Freedom
    A shitty economy
    Fear mongering
    2 Brownshirts newly appointed to the SC
    Fly by the seat of your pants gut reaction planning to major catastrophes

    I just dont get what they are complaining about

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