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Let's get the press corps to push Bush for a promise: No Presidential Pardon for Rove, Scooter, or anyone else guilty (or even facing trial) for criminal activity in his cabinet.

You'll recall that his father pardoned the Iran-Contra criminals before he left office.
http://www.nytimes.com/books/97/06/29/reviews/iran-pardon.html
'Mr. Walsh bitterly condemned the President's action, charging that "the Iran-contra cover-up, which has continued for more than six years, has now been completed."'

This is all in keeping with Bush Jr.  We need to make him promise NOW not to cover up his administration's crimes.  

Although it is uncommon to pardon the unconvicted, as Bush I did, it had a precedent with Ford's pardon of Nixon.  

As Bob Woodward recorded it in SHADOW, p. 14, Ford carried around in his wallet a quote from Burdick v. United States: "The justices found that a pardon 'carries imputation of guilt, acceptance, a confession of it.'"  

We don't care about JUST an admission of guilt. We want to finally see some justice!  

Can we get reporters to start putting this question to the press secretary?

Originally posted to Doyle on Fri Oct 14, 2005 at 01:18 PM PDT.

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  •  If (none)
    "a pardon 'carries imputation of guilt, acceptance, a confession of it'", why the hell did so many of those Reagan and Bush I slimebags end up back in this administration?  Gerald Ford may not have been the brightest bulb on the tree, but he was an honorable man. These bastards of history wouldn't know honor if it saddled them and rode them twenty miles.

    "Never mind the trick, what the hell's the point?" Joseph Heller, Catch-22

    by wozzle on Fri Oct 14, 2005 at 01:29:09 PM PDT

  •  good point (4.00)
    & i think that its a really good idea to get this out ahead of any [possible] indictments. that will put bush in the position of either supporting his cronies or breaking a promise & not doing what he says to paraphrase the republican he says what he does & does what he says slogan.

    recommended.
    s.

    the best lack all conviction while the worst are full of passionate intensity --w.b.yeats the second coming

    by synth on Fri Oct 14, 2005 at 01:30:30 PM PDT

  •  Governor Ernie Fletcher (R) did exactly the same (4.00)
    thing in Kentucky only a few months ago, pardoned 9 members of his staff who had been indicted for illegally trying to hire cronies and firing and demoting others due to their political beliefs.

    Not only that, those 9 continued on the job for weeks after they were pardoned.  Eventually, under pressure he fired them all.  Ironically, some may have only been guilty of following the directions given by Fletcher himself, in some intances under protest and might have made an argument they were not guilty.  So in effect, they were "convicted" without a trial - they never had the chance to clear their name because someone didn't want to hear what might come out at trial.

  •  There's no way (none)
    you'll be able to corner Bush into promissing no pardons. The press can hound them all they want and he'll duck the issue. I think the best that we can hope for is that he will waffle and then we can keep on saying that Bush refuses to say that he won't pardon anyone, so he is sure that someone in his admin is guilty.
  •  Good mileage depending on how it's phrased (none)
    How about:

    If it is discovered that a criminal conspiracy is being run from the White House, would it be against Republican party principles to pardon the perpetrators? (But try to ask it without sounding like Yosemite Sam)

    Followup: With the risk of prosecution lifted, would your presidential memos be released to historians more quickly than your father's?

    Why is there a Confederate Flag flying in Afghanistan?

    by chimpy on Fri Oct 14, 2005 at 01:49:33 PM PDT

    •  Answer (none)
      Scotty:  We do not comment on ongoing investigations.  This is an ongoing investigation and as such we won't comment as long as this is an ongoing investigation which it is so therefore there can be no comment ongoing investigation ongoing investigation ongoing investigation ongoing investigation....

      George W. Bush, Resign NOW.

      by tlh lib on Fri Oct 14, 2005 at 03:19:57 PM PDT

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  •  Rove wrote the powerpoint presentation (none)
    and pardons extinguish 5th amendment protections against self incrimination

    If george pardons Karl, and Karl gets called by the lowliest prosecutor, Karl has to answer the fucking questions

    george can't afford to pardon Karl cause Karl wrote and used the January-2002 powerpoint presentation that said the repuglicans should run on waging war in 2002

    the powerpoint presentation is the first piece of evidence to prove that george waged war for political gain, and the repuglican party went along with the plan

    george doesn't want Karl answering questions about the scam to invade Iraq, so a pardon would have to parse the subject too fine in a pardon, and would be liable to expose the whole crime agfainst humanity

  •  The Certainty of Pardons Was Part of This From Go (none)
    C'mon, these people go into this game wanting to be untouchables, and expectig to play the game right up to the limit. They know the risks they run, and expect to abuse power leaving office the same way the abbuse it going in.

    They will all get pardoned.

  •  I expect pardons (none)
    I expect Bush to pardon everyone before trial for all of the same reasons I expect the county to explode with indignation and outrage.    Bush will want to pardon everyone in advance of trial in order to prevent public trials.    The timing will be interesting though as if it is done before the 06 election we will win a landslide similar to the first post watergate election (1974).

    We will not be able to get a pledge from Bush not to pardon but we should be able to get a pledge from our Democratic congressional candidates that they will hold public investigatory hearings once they win control of congress and have subpoena power.

  •  I'm not sure why any of them would care (none)
    if they had to admit guilt, as long as they got the pardons. It's not as if they are living on minimum wage and will need to run out and get another job next week. And if anyone wants to bring up anything about them wanting to protect their good names, I can only say, "Oh, pulease!"

    I'm a devout believer in irreverence. - JW -

    by John West on Fri Oct 14, 2005 at 03:27:31 PM PDT

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