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First, let's clear up something, Bloomberg was the first to actually print that Cheney was the focus.  WaPo followed.  Still have yet to hear from WSJ.  Rawstory had it backwards, they predicted WSJ, Bloomberg, with WaPo to follow.  Maybe they messed up every one's playbook.  Way to go RawStory.

Second, lots of speculation on who flipped.  Here is my completely invented guess: Karl Rove.  Why on the flip.

First, you have to start with the assumption that Rove and Cheney are on the outs.  You've seen it reported, you've seen Cheney be non-existent, its a high probability.  Second, you have to notice that Bush these days is playing the old Clinton triangulation strategy to a tee.  The Miers appointment was designed to push Bush to the center, not the right.  Probably to give him enough distance so that he can change strategy in Iraq.  Who knows the real reason.  Its a fact that he's been moving away from the hard right though.  Third, Rove came back to Fitz on his own!  He wasn't called in.  Fitz sent him a "are you sure, cause I'm not offering a deal" letter when Rove said he wanted to come back.

So here's the theory, Rove decided the only way to get Cheney out of the way was to get him out of the way.  I mean really, aren't you a little surprised Cheney is still there?  Weren't they supposed to put in a "successor" by now?  Now with the fighting from Cheney on Rove's re-working of the ol' Dick Morris strategy, Rove wants the guy out for good, and the guy won't leave.  So Rove decides, instead of letting Scotter talk the fall, which was probably the end game (hey, they'll all get pardons anyway), he'll turn on Cheney and force the guy to be named as an unindicted coconspirator.  A press conference later, they'll ask for Cheney's resignation.  See ya later Dick.  Now they've got two years to fix Iraq, get gas prices down to a reasonable level, and prep the new VP for the presidency.

Again, just a guess, but I really think Rove did it.  Fitz's letter gives it away, I think.  He's telling Rove, I'm offering no deal here, but if you've got a bigger fish for me, I'm interested.

Originally posted to Federalist X on Mon Oct 17, 2005 at 09:16 PM PDT.

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  •  VP (none)
    Who's the new VP?

    "Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." Lewis Carroll (CA-15)

    by kathyp on Mon Oct 17, 2005 at 09:21:01 PM PDT

  •  Remember... (none)
    Cheney's got lots of goods on Rove, too.

    No, the guys at the very top won't turn on each other.

    •  i don't think he does (none)
      i've heard stuff like that before, but basically rove is a fucking nerd.  he's been driving around the south throwing race cards down since he was 18, and now he does the same thing professionally, but has changed to the occasional fag card.  i think what you see is what you get with rove.  a cold, calculating, fat slob who loves to practice hard core lee atwater politics.  he hasn't time to do anything worth outing him on (except perhaps the occasional young boy, but no one will care about that cause the guy is such a shithead to begin with).  i think the king of smear is smear proof.
      •  Let us now pray for Karl Rove (none)
        a cold, calculating, fat slob who loves to practice hard core lee atwater politics.

        Let us now pray that the gods/goddesses/flyingspaghettimonsters/stardust that invented Karma be willing to bless The Honorable Wannabe Atwater with Karma on the same level or more as was bestowed on The Honorable Atwater.

        Amen.

        And no...it's not snark.  Fuck him....and no...that's not an order to anyone on this site....God/Goddess/FSM forbid.

        George W. Bush, Resign NOW.

        by tlh lib on Mon Oct 17, 2005 at 10:28:08 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Heh... (none)
    Spiro Agnew would be so proud.

    If Cheney resigns, doesn't Hastert move up the food chain into the Veep position?

  •  Needlenose is the go to location (none)
    for the ins and outs of L'Affaire Plame.

    The crimes and the players

    and

    Libby and Rove and the "other" leakers

    The only way to ensure a free press is to own one

    by RedDan on Mon Oct 17, 2005 at 09:34:00 PM PDT

  •  Rove and Bush have so much to lose on this.... (4.00)
    ...hard to believe any of the big players would flip...but we'll find out soon enough.

    If so, won't Rove/Bush be dead meat to the wingnuts who love Cheney?  and can't Cheney tell an awful lot about how big a total fuckweed bush is?

    •  that's the whole damn ballgame (none)
      there is so much to lose.  which is what rove fucking lives for.  he loves this shit so much that boring beltway politics won't do, he needs them to be positively byzantine.

      seriously, i think there is more for bush to lose if cheney stays.  at least, more for rove to lose.  a right/center-right split will do rove in, as well as his plan for republian majorities as far as the eye  can see. if they can remove cheney, they might save the patient.

      •  well, rove is gone either way... (none)
        ...he can't give up Cheney and walk away...maybe reduced charges, but FItz offered him nothing and doesn't have to accept any bargin if Rove came in and spilled on his own...so either way, Rove is meat...
        •  gone, but not forgotten (none)
          i mean that seriously of course.  he'll get a pardon just before mccain is sworn in in jan. of '09.  and he won't even be convicted of perjury until just before that.  they may not even indict on perjury.  just cause fitz doesn't offer a deal doesn't mean the grand jury won't say: "well, he finally did tell the truth".  who knows.  i think the pardon angle is one everyone forgets.  these guys aren't going to jail, ever.
          •  I don't believe it for a second (none)
            Bush might pardon (please god, as George's best friend, please make him pardon)....

            and fuckin bring it the hell on in that respect....

            ..But...

            There's no way they drag a perjury charge out with this prosecutor for 3 years...no way.

            George W. Bush, Resign NOW.

            by tlh lib on Mon Oct 17, 2005 at 10:30:53 PM PDT

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            •  three years? (3.00)
              well, they have to indict.  that won't happen till 10/28.  then arraignment and all that fun stuff.  that pushes you into '06.  a few venue challenges, executive privilege hearings, some appeals on those rulings, jury selection, '06 is gone.  now you're looking at '07, sure, maybe he gets convicted in '07.  so what, bush pardons him.  big deal.
              •  interesting (none)
                executive privilege hearings

                That's one factor that hadn't entered my mind as I wrote that comment....jesus, that part alone could be the quagmire of quagmires in this whole thing.

                George W. Bush, Resign NOW.

                by tlh lib on Mon Oct 17, 2005 at 10:42:29 PM PDT

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                •  Executive privilege? (none)
                  That trick never works.

                  Anyone who voted against the patriot act is too good for the Senate

                  Feingold for President

                  by Goldfish on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 12:10:28 AM PDT

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                  •  I see a lot of talk about what the Clinton court (none)
                    decisions established on this... (on this site)....

                    Is any of it applicable?   If so, how?

                    George W. Bush, Resign NOW.

                    by tlh lib on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 12:16:41 AM PDT

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                    •  I have no idea (none)
                      if it's applicable. I do seem to remember that Clinton largely backed down on the issue. Nixon took the issue all the way to the SCOTUS and lost on it, and there just haven't been that many other challenges to it.

                      My understanding is that "executive privilege" is a privilege that's existence and scope is largely debatable and undefined. And it seems every time a President tries to use it as a shield it goes badly for them.

                      If Bush is banking on EP, I think it means his back is well and truly against the wall.

                      Anyone who voted against the patriot act is too good for the Senate

                      Feingold for President

                      by Goldfish on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 12:21:25 AM PDT

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                      •  Heh (none)
                        And it seems every time a President tries to use it as a shield it goes badly for them.

                        I was born the year Nixon resigned and I don't really understand law to the degree that I can apply what happened there to what happened here outside of obstruction and conspiracy type things....but still don't have a clue on indicting the top two and how that works.

                        But....I'm craving me some pardons.   This moron might just do it too.

                        2006.....hurry up.....I miss you already.

                        George W. Bush, Resign NOW.

                        by tlh lib on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 12:32:33 AM PDT

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                        •  Pardons (none)
                          Heh, I keep hearing people moaning about how it won't matter if Fitz indicts anyone, Bush will just pardon them, and it's hopeless, utterly hopeless.

                          And here you are wishing for them. That's finesse if I ever saw it.

                          Anyone who voted against the patriot act is too good for the Senate

                          Feingold for President

                          by Goldfish on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 12:49:53 AM PDT

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                          •  LOL (none)
                            There's no fuckin way to spin it that will appeal to a 39% approving public....

                            your administration is fucking over our national security for politics?

                            and you pardon the fucks who did it? (of course YOU did it and were part of it but we'll turn our heads)...

                            heh..

                            ya goddamned straight i'm lookin at pardons with a smile ;-)

                            George W. Bush, Resign NOW.

                            by tlh lib on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 12:55:52 AM PDT

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                          •  My Pardon Meme (none)
                            Bush pardons the leaders, and we get control of government for the next twenty years.

                            Sounds good to me.

                            Anyone who voted against the patriot act is too good for the Senate

                            Feingold for President

                            by Goldfish on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 01:03:51 AM PDT

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                          •  That should be "leakers" (none)
                            Not leaders. That was a weird Freudian slip.

                            Anyone who voted against the patriot act is too good for the Senate

                            Feingold for President

                            by Goldfish on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 03:19:38 AM PDT

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  •  It'll be Condi (none)
    Think of that resume...national security advisor, State, VP and the President.....
    •  By the way I don't hope she becomes President (none)
      But I can see Bush and Rove pulling for her.
    •  no way (none)
      not in a million years.  and even if it was, it would seal here fate... she'll have to make it through a primary in '08 just like everyone else.  and this time, the dirty politics won't all be on her side.  mccain makes them look serious again, fresh face, "i've told vp mccain to head up a full review of iraqi war stratergical document things. and he will do it."   which leads to mccain changing course, get on the winning side, and plan for a withdrawal which the wal-mart crowd can live with.
  •  I'm with you on the One Man Standing theory (none)
    Bush wouldn't tolerate dissent in the White House. He needs the public to know that all the smart people he keeps around him came to the exact conclusion he did, what with all the super-secret stuff he's told.  Stuff that he couldn't possibly explain to you because of national security, and even if he did, you wouldn't understand anyway.  This is what's given him a pass on Iraq.  He supposedly 'knew' a whole lotta stuff you couldn't even possibly fathom, and this information makes him 100% absolutely right.  

    Therefore, anyone who has access to the same information that might disagree needs to be gotten rid of, pronto.

    I just don't think it's Rove.  I think he's dumb enough to believe that he won't go to jail if he hands in extra credit at the last minute, but I don't think he's dumb enough to remain loyal up to and including the point of continuing to do the President's bidding up until he's indicted.  If Rove flips, its for his lumpy ass's benefit.  I think Rove's just trying to show he doesn't have anything to hide, since he didn't volunteer "Plame is in the CIA."  Given all the information we already know about who asked for the Plame information, and who received it, I think if Fitz is after Cheney, he's already got him.  I don't think Rove's testimony against Cheney would be that valuable.

    It wouldn't surprise me, then, to find numerous people under investigation who end up flipping on the administration.  One of the most commonly-shared attributes of people in the administration is that they're from the corporate world.  And there's one thing that corporatists do best, it's trying to weasel out of trouble once they've driven their corporations into the ground.

    One thing that's bothered me about all of this is that it doesn't smell right to have Libby and Rove solely responsible for the decision.  It doesn't smell right that all of this was concocted by the Vice President's office.  I don't think it'd be Cheney's personality.  I think Cheney's a mean sumbitch, but I don't think he's stupid enough to come up with this.

    This has to be a Bush ol' timey Texas politicin' shit slingin', with Rove as the guy who covers the leak up, Cheney with the stealthy access to the CIA, and Rice with the ability to invent the best spin on the Wilson information.

    Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it.

    by gavodotcom on Mon Oct 17, 2005 at 09:56:38 PM PDT

    •  he isn't going to jail (none)
      I think he's dumb enough to believe that he won't go to jail if he hands in extra credit at the last minute, but I don't think he's dumb enough to remain loyal up to and including the point of continuing to do the President's bidding up until he's indicted.  

      see you're analyzing this like he has some risk here.  he has none.  he'll be pardoned no matter what, as will libby, as will anyone else (except judy of course).  and the trial wouldn't even wrap up till very near the end of bush's term.  so whats a few weeks in the federal pen?

      martha stewart did that and got a tv show.  not a very good one, but a tv show.

      as for who was stupid enough to come up with outing plame, again i think you're misapprehending the real target here, it was B-J assoc., not plame, not even wilson.  joe was stupid enough to offer up B-J by writing his article.  once he did, they jumped at the chance to remove the company charged with following WMD.

      remember, tenet and bush had a big falling out.  started yelling.  tenet resigned THAT NIGHT.  first nighttime resignation of a cabinet level official, in well, a long fucking time.  you think tenet resigned over plame?  nah.... he resigned cause an entire operation was revealed, an operation whose mission was to track WMD proliferation.

      the next day, tenet spends a little quality time with fitz.  the day after that story breaks, bush lawyers up.  now, you think that's all coincidence?  maybe, but i bet maybe not.

      remember, none of these bastards are gonna go to jail (though there's still a case against wilson, i hope fitz doesn't take that route, and i don't think he will) cause they are ALL gonna be pardoned.  i think it is as important to rove to make sure bush can pick a new vp as it is as important to cheney to run iraq.

  •  Hmmmm... (none)
    What is also interesting here is that Rove went in for an hour's testimony and stayed for four and a half.  4 1/2 hours after already testifying three times and stating that he had told everything he knows.  What was he yakkin' about for all that time?  If he flipped under pressure, say, a half hour in, and started spilling the beans, then he would have been made to stay and answer a lot of questions.  

    Hmmmm...

    "Conservatism makes no poetry, breathes no prayer, has no invention; it is all memory." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

    by reef the dog on Mon Oct 17, 2005 at 10:16:19 PM PDT

  •  In Raw Story's defense...... (none)
    Raw Story Mea Culpa :
    I do want to personally apologize for any over-hyped stories in recent days. When word got out that a senior Cheney aide had left the country just as an investigation into Cheney's chief of staff was wrapping up, I got excited. Later digging revealed that Cheney's spokesman had no known ties to the scandal. Having made additional inquiries, I now feel the proper context of the piece lies in the fact that Cheney's office has become increasingly distanced from the Bush camp -- and that Cheney's spokesman's departure may be the product of a diminishing role for Cheney's coterie in the Bush White House.

    Raw Story, like any news organization, also makes mistakes, which we endeavor to correct as quickly as possible. But I think too that it's important to take a step back and remember that nearly all major media outlets reported that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Any mistake a reporter makes should be examined in context, corrected and questioned.

    We extend a special thanks to the hundreds of readers who have dispatched praise and criticism for our work in the past weeks. We take your feedback seriously and will continue to respond personally to as many emails as possible.

    And as always, we have exciting stories in the works. Stay tuned.

    Posted by editor

    Although it would be a helluva lot better indicator of integrity if that mea culpa had been posted AT rawstory.com......but it's posted nonetheless.

    George W. Bush, Resign NOW.

    by tlh lib on Mon Oct 17, 2005 at 10:33:35 PM PDT

  •  Keep in mind (none)
    This is the same Federalist X who has railed against DailyKos hardcore on his blog.   He's no friend of mine, no friend of this site, and no friend of the left.

    I'm just fuckin sayin.

    George W. Bush, Resign NOW.

    by tlh lib on Mon Oct 17, 2005 at 11:24:09 PM PDT

    •  I was just rereading (none)
      That whinny "Help! Help! I'm being opressed!" diary he wrote awhile back. A 400+ comment train-wreck that one was.

      So bad in fact, that a couple of other people went crazy and started picking fights at random and settling old grudges.

      A Kos Klassic that one was.

      Anyone who voted against the patriot act is too good for the Senate

      Feingold for President

      by Goldfish on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 12:13:24 AM PDT

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      •  Gimme (none)
        I went to google and searched his blog for "dailykos."

        Dial-up is a bitch....I'm poor...sue me....wait...probably trolls who would if they could find my name so I take that back.

        Google results for "dailykos" @ Fed's blog....yes he loves DailyKos...yes oh yes he does :-) .

        They don't include the screed he posted obliterating this entire site though.   That one will take time away from my productivity at work tomorrow (where I  have my highspeed...god I hate dialup but I'm thankful I have anything right now).....but only a few minutes.   If you or anyone has it (if he hasn't deleted it) post a link.   FedEx went the fuck off on this site like there was no tomorrow and it was well documented here but it's been awhile now....a few months.

        Glad someone else remembered though :-) .   How am I not surprised that it's you lol.

        In the bad news segment of this post....I was stupid enough to use cheat codes on GTA (ps2) and being the ignorant fuck I am...didn't realize that they would all stick and I haven't saved the game.

        Just had to add that in because I'm pissed lol....well...laughing but I swear I'm pissed lol. :p  

        Peace.

        George W. Bush, Resign NOW.

        by tlh lib on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 12:28:20 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  You know me (none)
          I have a mental encyclopedia of trolls and other miscreants.

          Actually, I didn't remember FedX's history right away. I just knew his name was somehow linked in my mind with hilarity. I had to pull his comment history to remember the rest.

          Here's his magnum opus on Kos. Not a GBCW, but it'll do.

          I wish I could give you advice as to your GTA problem, but I havan't really played console games in awhile. I basicly gave my PS2 to my little brother, who's mostly in to sports games which hold very little interest for me.

          Anyone who voted against the patriot act is too good for the Senate

          Feingold for President

          by Goldfish on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 12:59:51 AM PDT

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          •  Normally I'd think it crass (none)
            But that would be if it were a Kossack's diary I were posting this to...

            It's not...

            It's FedEx.

            federalist-x.dailykos.com :

            Cognitive Dissonance at Daily Kos
            by Federalist X [Subscribe]
            Mon Sep 12, 2005 at 07:51:17 AM EST

            Late last night, under the cover of darkness, someone decided to zero rate virtually all of my comments in a particular thread, over and over and over again.  This was done after I replied, in a somewhat offensive and inappropriate manner (I concede) to some rather offensive comments.  I asked the person zero rating me to email me.  S/he never did.  Unfortunately, the faceless censor removed some of my better comments also, without so much as a letter of explanation.  Since it seems impossible to get my words out without them being burned by "trusted" users, I will diary the replies here.

                * Federalist X's diary :: ::
            *

            First, PASTORDAN.  In this comment, you attribute to Aquinas the view that pre-emption can never be a JUST war.  This is poppycock, and your assertion draws into question either your memory, or sincerity.  Aquinas makes clear there are three elements required for a so-called just war (or war which is not sinful).

            Pls see, The Summa Theologica; Part II, Question 40 (Benziger Bros., 1947) for a fuller explanation, but herein are the elements with a brief description:

            1) the authority of the sovereign by whose command the war is to be waged.

            i.e., in america, that would be the people as represented by Congress]

            2) a just cause

            [i.e., as he quotes augustine: "A just war is wont to be described as one that avenges wrongs, when a nation or state has to be punished, for refusing to make amends for the wrongs inflicted by its subjects, or to restore what it has seized unjustly.""

            3) belligerents should have a rightful intention

            [i.e., again, quoting augustine for explanation: "True religion looks upon as peaceful those wars that are waged not for motives of aggrandizement, or cruelty, but with the object of securing peace, of punishing evil-doers, and of uplifting the good."]

            it is quite easily possible to have all three of these elements PRIOR to being attacked.  therefore, aquinas is CLEARLY NOT advocating the position you attribute to him.

            does this change your view?

            SECONDLY

            i had replied to leeroy, and it was deleted, 7 times consecutively.  leeroy, on the other hand, saw fit to reply, quite sanely, to the now invisible or censored reply i had made.  leeroy should be commended, and i do commend him/her now.

            FINALLY

            the fact i need to do this is evidence of a severe cognitive disfunction here at Daily Kos.  it is sad because there are a great many good minds here, minds which could use learning from one another.  it also is a direct attack on the principles some of the front page posters explicitly advocate: openness, willingness to hear criticism, big tent, listenting to all points of view.  i hope daily kos, as a community, figures out how to handle this problem.  i'll be back when it is gone.

            and from the FedEx Blog:

            amendmentnine.blogspot.com :

            Friday, September 09, 2005
            Kos Krazy
            [UPDATE: I don't want to detract from the Chriss, Mitya, Sharpie debate on Katrina's economic impact. Good stuff. Chriss's macro view is here, Sharpie's Asian view is here, and Mitya says he'll have the distressed view over the weekend, posted at VC, but cross-linked on this blog as well.]

            Its a new style, its called Kos Krazy, and it doesn't much care for principles, logic, or silly things like that. Kos Krazy is coming straight at you! Kos Krazy is orange. Kos Krazy is white. Kos Krazy ain't no average blogger, Kos Krazy is the real deal, dude.

            Kos Krazy is also, just that, CRAZY! And it doesn'tseem to matter who writes on the front page over there, they just go bananas at certain times. The latest is this simple assertion:

                Oh, and Joe Lieberman was second-most at fault for Brown (after Bush).

                Chew this puppy up and spit it out.

            If you read the TPM piece, as it appears Kos did not, the writer is a bit more universal in his condemnation than Kos is in his. Lieberman was "second-most at fault"? Is that even a logical possibility? Isn't fault binary? Or is Kos inventing some new comparative negligence standard for his favorite, or least favorite, politicians? If so, he should read his Constitution. The Senate gives advice, the Senate consents, I think Kos and his cronies made a big stink about how UN-Constitutional it was for the Senate to just rubber stamp things a little while back. But here he is now saying that the President should bear the "most" responsibility for an unqualified candidate, and the Democratic Chairman (who Kos has actively campaigned against) of the Committee reviewing the candidate is "second-most". I may sound a little right wing here, but frankly, I don't care. Kos is far over the line, to the point where I think his credibility is jeopardized (what little of it remained).

            Here's a little civics lesson to the next person over there infected with the Kos Krazies, all Senators, all 100 of them at that time, are as responsible for Brown being Director of FEMA as President Bush is. Each vote, equally weighted (for instance, Lieberman's doesn't count anymore than Frist's), can register disapproval. Unfortunately for the Kos Krazies, there is no pyramid of fault here. The Senate is a check to the President, and here they completely abdicated that responsibility. I hope any Senator running for the Presidential nomination in '08 will be required to answer why they didn't review Brown's resume a little more closely. Apparently Kos thinks they don't have to, only the Chair needs to do that, but I'd like a little more accountability from my Senators than that. Democrats don't get a free pass when they failed to do their job. Unless of course, you're a Kos Krazy.
            Quite frankly, I'm sick of this. This sorta scorched earth rhetoric has turned a large portion of the Democratic party into what looks like a writhing mass of brainwashed, cult-like worshippers of a graven image. Somebody needs to stop them before they permanently wreck the chances of a once proud party with equally proud principles.

            posted by Federalist X

             

            George W. Bush, Resign NOW.

            by tlh lib on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 01:22:07 AM PDT

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      •  Nevermind (none)
        Here it is.

        Kos Crazy by Federalist X.

        Good stuff.

        Fuck off, FedEx.

        George W. Bush, Resign NOW.

        by tlh lib on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 12:51:03 AM PDT

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        •  Heheh (none)
          I love how he uses one person to paint every member of this site... and then still posts diaries here.

          Does he honestly think we're not going to find out what he said about us? He's got the link to his freak'n blog in his sig-line.

          Not the sharpest tool in the drawer it would seem.

          Anyone who voted against the patriot act is too good for the Senate

          Feingold for President

          by Goldfish on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 01:02:39 AM PDT

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  •  Rove Flip? (none)
    I can only imagine this happening if it involved a deal whereby Rove gets off scott free.  But we know Fitz didn't strike a deal with Rove, so Rove going in to his 4th grand jury appearance would be a gamble.  I can't see how Rove saying all the sudden that "Big Daddy Dick did it" now would prevent Fitz from slapping perjury or obstruct of justice on him at minimum for one might ask "why didn't you say that from the start?"  No, turdbastard is getting slapped with a little indictment lovin, me thinks.

    sumbuddy else flipped...

  •  Anyone else wondering (none)
    what would have happened if the terrorists on plane #3 had a good map of DC and could find the White House?

    OK, W was out of town but the rest of the crew was around.....

    just a random thought.......

    What would W have done without Dick, Karl et. al.?  Anyone else get the feeling Iraq might never have happened?

  •  Federalist X can kiss my fucking ass (none)
    Federalist X hates Kossacks....

    Federalist X posts here with something agreeable after slamming almost every member of this site....odd that he would post this diary trying to agree with people after calling us "crazy"....lovely stuff

    :-)

    His blog :

    Amendment Nine

    Amendment IX - The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. [Ratified: December 15, 1791]

    Friday, September 09, 2005

    Kos Krazy

    [UPDATE: I don't want to detract from the Chriss, Mitya, Sharpie debate on Katrina's economic impact. Good stuff. Chriss's macro view is here, Sharpie's Asian view is here, and Mitya says he'll have the distressed view over the weekend, posted at VC, but cross-linked on this blog as well.]

    Its a new style, its called Kos Krazy, and it doesn't much care for principles, logic, or silly things like that. Kos Krazy is coming straight at you! Kos Krazy is orange. Kos Krazy is white. Kos Krazy ain't no average blogger, Kos Krazy is the real deal, dude.

    Kos Krazy is also, just that, CRAZY! And it doesn'tseem to matter who writes on the front page over there, they just go bananas at certain times. The latest is this simple assertion:

        Oh, and Joe Lieberman was second-most at fault for Brown (after Bush).

        Chew this puppy up and spit it out.

    If you read the TPM piece, as it appears Kos did not, the writer is a bit more universal in his condemnation than Kos is in his. Lieberman was "second-most at fault"? Is that even a logical possibility? Isn't fault binary? Or is Kos inventing some new comparative negligence standard for his favorite, or least favorite, politicians? If so, he should read his Constitution. The Senate gives advice, the Senate consents, I think Kos and his cronies made a big stink about how UN-Constitutional it was for the Senate to just rubber stamp things a little while back. But here he is now saying that the President should bear the "most" responsibility for an unqualified candidate, and the Democratic Chairman (who Kos has actively campaigned against) of the Committee reviewing the candidate is "second-most". I may sound a little right wing here, but frankly, I don't care. Kos is far over the line, to the point where I think his credibility is jeopardized (what little of it remained).

    Here's a little civics lesson to the next person over there infected with the Kos Krazies, all Senators, all 100 of them at that time, are as responsible for Brown being Director of FEMA as President Bush is. Each vote, equally weighted (for instance, Lieberman's doesn't count anymore than Frist's), can register disapproval. Unfortunately for the Kos Krazies, there is no pyramid of fault here. The Senate is a check to the President, and here they completely abdicated that responsibility. I hope any Senator running for the Presidential nomination in '08 will be required to answer why they didn't review Brown's resume a little more closely. Apparently Kos thinks they don't have to, only the Chair needs to do that, but I'd like a little more accountability from my Senators than that. Democrats don't get a free pass when they failed to do their job. Unless of course, you're a Kos Krazy.

    Quite frankly, I'm sick of this. This sorta scorched earth rhetoric has turned a large portion of the Democratic party into what looks like a writhing mass of brainwashed, cult-like worshippers of a graven image. Somebody needs to stop them before they permanently wreck the chances of a once proud party with equally proud principles.

    Know who you're talking to ;-)

    George W. Bush, Resign NOW.

    by tlh lib on Tue Oct 18, 2005 at 12:46:00 AM PDT

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