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Steering into the skid: Books for the End of the World.

Thu Oct 20, 2005 at 07:58:26 AM PDT

Preface:
     It is the day after the  2004 election.  I am devastated, and angry and afraid.  I want to move to Canada.  I go to my mother's house during lunch and weep on her shoulder, like I haven't done since I was a child.  Depression sweeps over me. I need to do something to counteract it.   I will read friendly, spiritual books from my childhood like "A Wrinkle in Time" and Narnia.  I will listen to John Denver and only watch funny things on TV.  No more Law and Order SVU for me.
     I doesn't work.
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     Several days later, still depressed and scared, I am at the library I work at and a question comes up about something, that in my research leads to something, which leads to Patty Hearst.  Well, I never really knew much about that story, so I look it up on a grizzly but very well documented website dedicated to serial killers and psychopaths and read the Patty Hearst story.  I am glued to the website throughout the rest of the day. Between reference questions and regular work stuff I  go back and I read all about the Manson family, and Ed Gein, and John Wayne Gacy, and after all of this obsessive, morbid, horrified reading, at the end of the day I feel  . . . better.
     WTF?
     How can reading about the Manson Family make me feel better when listening to John Denver makes me cry?
     What kind of warped person am I?
     Then it hits me.  I am struggling against my negative emotions.  I am fighting them instead of letting them play out.  Reading about evil and horror had allowed some of those emotions to release themselves.  I had steered into the proverbial car skid instead of away from it.
     So, when all these diaries starting popping up about our Collective Fears and the collapse of society via the economy or natural disaster or a government orchestrated terror attack or gas running out, or bird flu, or "Winter is Coming" I found myself picking up "Gone With the Wind," and reading (for the umpteenth time) about the spoiled, pampered Scarlett O'Hara reduced to utter poverty by a war that destroys everything she had, and how she survives by sheer determination, ruthlessness, and a total lack of scruples.  And yes, it has made me feel better.  (Which is probably why I kept reading it over and over in college:  it was a reaction to my fears about facing my post-degree future as an adult.)
     And so, for my First Official Diary I would like to offer the following:

It's the End of the World as We Know It Reading List

The Criteria for the List:

The books have to be fiction.

They have to be about ordinary people.  No James Bonds, no Bourne Identity, no Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

They have to be about survival after war, natural disaster, shipwreck, plane wreck or a societal collapse.

Ideally the characters will be coping without any survival tools.  They are not soldiers, or farmers, or woodsmen, or Ninjas, or MI5 agents, or Linda Hamilton in Terminator 2.

The stories can be historical, futuristic, or present day.  They can be sci-fi as long as they are still about Planet Earth.

Historical Fiction:

Gone With the Wind by Margaret Mitchell   
    The Civil War and Reconstruction in Georgia.  

The Birthday Boys by Beryl Bainbridge
    Captian Scott's doomed Antarctic expedition in 1912

A Prayer for the Dying by Stewart O'Nan
    Post-Civil War diphtheria epidemic in a small town

The Lost Mother by Mary McGarry Morris
Homeless children live in a tent in the woods of Vermont during the Great Depression

The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
    The Dust Bowl.

Aftershocks by Richard Wheeler
    San Fancisco Earthquake of 1906

Futuristic/Sci Fi:

The Stand by Stephen King
Superflu pandemic wipes out most of the population of earth.  Then things get really scary.

Lucifer's Hammer by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
Gigantic comet hits the earth. Total collapse of all civilization.

The Rift by Walter J Williams
New Madrid, Missouri suffers an 8.9 earthquake.

The Third Pandemic by Pierre Ouellette
Deadly virus sweeps from Africa to the rest of the world.

Current Day, Near Future, and/or Allegorical

John Dollar by Marianne Wiggins
Community of British schoolgirls in Burma falls prey to disaster when an earthquake and tidal wave sweep them off a ship anchored near an island.

Lord of the Flies  by William Golding
Group of British schoolboys is stranded on a deserted island during a global war.  (IMHO one of the finest, most beautiful, and most haunting, tragic, horrifying, disturbing and gorgeous novels ever written.)

Into the Forest by Jean Hegland
Two sisters try to survive in a world in which they find themselves suddenly and inexplicably without electricity, water, or communication, and civil order has broken apart.

The Cage by Audrey Schulman
Near Churchill, Manitoba, a nature photographer's expedition goes disastrously wrong.

Disclaimer:  I have NOT read all the books on this list and cannot vouch for them all personally.  These were recommendations from co-workers and some library web sites which I cross-referenced at Amazon to make sure they fit my criteria and had decent reviews.   So if you read one and it sucks, its not my fault.

ENJOY!  

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  •  Kurt Vonnegut's (none / 0)

    Cat's Cradle

    Ice Nine
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  •  Gravity's Rainbow... (none / 0)

    has a nice apocalyptic air to it, is a fun and educational read...and could be very worth it, particularly if you can work a bet with Fate that forestalls the End Days until you are done reading it.

    "We're all working for the Pharaoh" - Richard Thompson

    by mayan on Thu Oct 20, 2005 at 08:03:19 AM PDT

  •  While I applaud your fiction choices ... (none / 0)

    I'm planning on interspersing my motivational uplift fiction with heavy doses of non-fiction in the next year.

    You know, boring stuff like ... How to Garden, How to Can, How to Make Practical Things from Crap Around Your Yard and House, Guide to Edible Wild Plants, How to Chop Wood Effeciently, etc.

    I think it's time for all of us to get practical. While we may never have to use any skills we learn from these hands-on books, it's nice to be prepared. It's also nice to get reconnected (or connected in the first place) with practical handcrafts and practical survival techniques that our grandparents and great-grandparents knew. We all need to get out of our heads a little bit anyway as the storm clouds darken, and feeling like we've learned some skills can help us feel more in control and better prepared if there's any sort of societal collapse is a good thing for people who live in their heads and on the internet.

    I have NO practical survival skills whatsoever (beyond good endurance because of exercise) and it's feeling pretty crappy right now.

    •  great idea (none / 1)

      I think we should all be doing this.  Please let us know if you find a particularly good book or publisher.
      •  oldie but goodie (none / 0)

        "Stalking the Wild Asparagus" by Euell Gibbons - you know, the odd old guy who used to do the Grape-Nuts commercials where he's ready to eat a chair or a tree or some such thing.  The book actually goes into a lot of useful info, including preparation suggestions that in some cases make things palatable and in some cases make them safe to eat at all.

        And there's another one called "How to Stay Alive in The Woods" by Bradford Angier - got more outright survival info in there, too.  Things liek shelters in the wild.

        What's a city kid like me doing with those???

    •  & if the apocalypse doesn't happen (none / 0)

      you can write a novel & have characters that know how to can. & stuff. ;-)
      s.

      the best lack all conviction while the worst are full of passionate intensity --w.b.yeats the second coming

      by synth on Thu Oct 20, 2005 at 08:14:09 AM PDT

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    •  I've dug out (none / 0)

      all my old Mother Earth mags with just this in mind.  Got into horticulture as a profession 10 years ago. Not much money in it, but I at least feel I will be able to feed my family when the compost hits the fan.

      -7.63 -6.72 "A lot of people are waiting for MLK, Gandhi to come back. They are gone. We are it. It's up to us. It's up to you." Edelman

      by ZaphodsSister on Thu Oct 20, 2005 at 09:13:25 AM PDT

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    •  SusanG (none / 0)

      email me at soonergrunt@cox.net, please.  Thanks.

      "I don't belong to an organized political party. I'm a democrat."--Will Rogers

      by soonergrunt on Thu Oct 20, 2005 at 02:34:57 PM PDT

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  •  Alas, Babylon (4.00 / 2)

    Always loved "Alas, Babylon" by Pat Frank, dealing with the post-nuke day-to-day world.

    Whenever I feel like I need a kick in the pants, I watch "G.I. Jane" and shout with the heroine, "SUCK MY **, MASTER SARGENT SIR!!!"

    And when I get down and out about the machine, I watch "The Matrix".  Damn, I want to be Trinity; I want to kick ass, take names, and have a reason to believe.

  •  Hey! (none / 0)

    Steer into the Fishtail is the working title of the post-apocolyptic novel I've been meaning to write... one of these days.  I've been getting thrown off because my plots keep happening before I can finish.

    "Patriotism is not short, frenzied outbursts of emotion, but the tranquil and steady dedication of a lifetime." -- Adlai E. Stevenson

    by eebee on Thu Oct 20, 2005 at 08:07:04 AM PDT

  •  Earth Abides, by George Stewart (none / 0)

    Post-apocalyptic vision of how small communities can survive. What do they survive? A mysterious and deadly pandemic flu-like illness.
  •  future imperfect (4.00 / 2)

    Oryx and Crake - Margaret Atwood
    The Handmaid's Tale - Margaret Atwood
    The Elementary Particles - Michel Houllebecq
  •  The Mysterious Island (none / 0)

    by Jules Verne.  Best survival book ever IMO.

    I'm not just saying that because the hero is an engineer.  Honest.

    Big Joe Helton: "I pay Plenty."
    Chico Marx: "Well, then we're Plenty Tough."

    by Caelian on Thu Oct 20, 2005 at 08:12:32 AM PDT

  •  Earth Abides & Always Coming Home (4.00 / 3)

    "Earth Abides" was written in the 50s by ___ Stewart -- it's the story of a guy that comes back from a backpacking trip and finds everyone gone, dead from a pandemic.  The writing style is a little out of date, its gender depictions are definitely out of date, but overall, a great read, in a "what would you do if it happened to you?" sort of way.

    "Always Coming Home" by Ursula K. Le Guin, takes place in the San Francisco Bay area well into the future after our current civilization has collapsed and the "primitive" one that immediately followed ours has "advanced" again, though in a more sustainable fashion -- kind of like a Renaissance Florentine looking back at ancient Egypt, only the book looks back at us.

    Both are well worth a place on your list.

    Visualize Impeachment

    by tomu on Thu Oct 20, 2005 at 08:13:52 AM PDT

  •  The Greenlanders, by Jane Smiley (none / 1)

    It was the end of their world, and they just kept on living in it.  Great book.

    "Republicans are poor losers and worse winners." - My grandmother, sometime in the early 1960s

    by escapee on Thu Oct 20, 2005 at 08:21:22 AM PDT

  •  I been down so long it looks like up to me (none / 0)

    Read everything McLuhan, you will start to see that the world is working in its own way, and that is a good thing mostly. Then read Conquer the Crash, by Bob Prechter, for some tips on ways to stay out of that inevitable stampede of naked, screaming people who run ahead of the tanks while they roll down the main street of your town, shooting everyone in sight. if all else fails read the man mentioned in the footnotes.

    "Everything is chrome in the future..." Sponge Bob Square Pants

    by agent double o soul on Thu Oct 20, 2005 at 08:23:46 AM PDT

  •  This will get you read for Avian Bird Flu (none / 0)

    The Plague by Camus
  •  Another SF read (none / 0)

    Octavia Butler's Parable of the Sower and Parable of the Talents--how a girl rebuilds a collapsed civilazation.

    "Zen: Infinite respect for all things past; infinite service to all things present; infinite responsibility for all things future."--Huston Smith

    by Maggie Pax on Thu Oct 20, 2005 at 08:25:42 AM PDT

  •  Robert McCammon (none / 0)

    "Swan Song" -- nature marks good and evil among survivors of nuclear holocaust.

    The time for action is past. Now is the time for senseless bickering -- My T-Shirt

    by Frankenoid on Thu Oct 20, 2005 at 08:27:02 AM PDT

  •  With a GREAT handle like that... (none / 0)

    I HAVE to respond...  (Don't care if he's a Christian, C.S. Lewis ROCKS...)

    I'd go with...

    Farnham's Freehold, by Robert Heinlein.

    Goes a little goofy, involving some time travel, but the first part of the book is eking out in a survival situation after a nuclear war.

    I must break the rules a little here,  and go with earth's near neighbor, the moon...

    A fall of Moondust by Arthur C. Clarke.

    Science is dated, but deals with a tourist vehicle sinking under the dust of the moon.  Very fun story about the attempt to rescue them as everything goes to hell.

    Flare Time by Larry Niven.

    A short story about a moon so bright that it's like daylight in California.  What people do when they realize the sun is flaring and the earth is about to be incinerated...

    Aaaand my only realistic one...

    Love of Life by Jack London

    A miner survives after his partner abandons him.

    I'm NOT in Detroit. Unless you count mentally, in which case I'm also 1000 years in the future.

    by detroitmechworks on Thu Oct 20, 2005 at 08:28:25 AM PDT

  •  SciFi: Octavia Butler (none / 0)

    Parable of the Sower:
    ...by 2025, global warming, pollution, racial and ethnic tensions and other ills have precipitated a worldwide decline. In the Los Angeles area, small beleaguered communities of the still-employed hide behind makeshift walls from hordes of desperate homeless scavengers and violent pyromaniac addicts known as ``paints'' who, with water and work growing scarcer, have become increasingly aggressive. Lauren Olamina, a young black woman, flees when the paints overrun her community, heading north with thousands of other refugees seeking a better life. Lauren suffers from `hyperempathy,'' a genetic condition that causes her to experience the pain of others as viscerally as her own--a heavy liability in this future world of cruelty and hunger. But she dreams of a better world, and with her philosophy/religion, Earthseed, she hopes to found an enclave which will weather the tough times and which may one day help carry humans to the stars.

    Parable of the Talents:

    In 2032, five years after losing her family and setting out on a quest to find peace in a chaotic land, Lauren Oya Olamina has gathered more than 60 people in the self-sufficient community called Acorn. Olamina, an African-American hyper-empath (a person who can feel others' pain so intensely it is often incapacitating), is the creator and prophet for the new religion called Earthseed. "God is Change" is Earthseed's basic belief; the religion teaches personal harmony and the hope of one day reaching the stars. To that end, the verses in Olamina's "Books of the Living" give understanding to a perpetually shifting world of mistrust, slavery, disorder, and government sanctioned witch-hunts.

    After years of separation, Olamina discovers that her teenage brother, Marcus, has also survived; she immediately welcomes him to Acorn. As an unseasoned Christian preacher, Marcus is suspicious of the cultlike aspects of Earthseed and grows more and more distant from its ideals. Now that Olamina is newly pregnant, Bankole, Olamina's much older physician husband, wishes to find a more established township in which to practice medicine and protect his family.

    However, soon a fundamentalist Christian named Jarret is elected president of the United States, and his insistence on burning non-Christian churches and murdering those of other faiths becomes very popular. Acorn is attacked, the women raped, the men killed, and all survivors are enslaved. But Olamina eventually escapes and sets out to recover her friends and family and rebuild Earthseed.

  •  First & foremost, I'll ignore your rules (none / 0)

    and start with a non-fiction title.

    Distant Mirror by Barbara Tuchman
    Read it a couple of years ago.  About the 14th Century (1300s), in France.  But also surrounding and affected areas, like England, the split of the two Popes, Crusades and so on.  Population of Europe declined 2/3 in a century, mostly due to the plague.  "Companies" running rampant throughout the country, wars invented in the Mid-East to send them off, too, and thus minimize their depradations at home.  Kinda puts it all in perspective.

    The rest are fiction:

    The Postman by David Brin
    I really loved this book, which I read as witty & satirical.  Kevin Costner did it no favors with his film interpretation.  Post-apocalyptic tale about a destitute guy who steals a sack of mail and uniform from a "retired" postman.  Gets himself out of a bind by happening to have a letter addressed to someone in a hostile survivalist compound, inventing a story about the reconstituted US Government that doesn't really exist.  A whole postal network springs up, based on that fiction.

    Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
    Dismal tale, saved from being too depressing by being framed as an anthropological study of a time when things have improved.  After some apocalyptic event, most women are rendered sterile.  The few fertile ones have a rather difficult existence.

    Ramona by Helen Hunt Jackson
    Continuously in print since its publication in the 1800s.  Film (not on video to my knowledge) starring Loretta Young as the title character inspired a whole bunch of mixed blood Native American girl babies to be named Ramona in a certain time.  How southern California got transformed from colonial backwash in the wake of the Mexican American War & Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo.  Not about the Gold Rush.

    Daughter of Fortune by Isabelle Allende
    About the various desperations which drew people to the Calfornia Gold Rush, and the chaos and difficulties there.  Principals are Chilean and Chinese, both of which countries we spend some time in.

    Seven Serpents and Seven Moons by Demetrio Aguilera-Malta
    A man buys the water rights to everything that falls on the roofs of his village neighbors, then makes a pact with the devil that all the rain will only fall on the roofs.  Spreads much misery around, but there is eventual redemption.

    The Law of Love by Laura Esquivel
    Author of "Like Water for Chocolate".  In this one, set in not-too-distant future Mexico City, society has universally accepted reincarnation as fact.  Those running for office are evaluated for their ten past lives, not just the current one.  So, for a crooked candidate, there's a lot more to cover up.

    Stormy Weather by Carl Hiaasen
    Twisted, warped, hilarious sense of humor.  About cons and fly-by-nighters and foolish innocents rushing in, all in the wake of a disastrous hurricane in south Florida.  Inspired by Hurricane Andrew.

    In general, whodunnits are good escape.  Of particular interest: Tony Hillerman, James Lee Burke (with extra nostalgia now, being set in New Orleans), and Donald Westlake (who is hilarious, and twisted).  And other Hiaasen books.

    That's enough.  Cheerio!

    "You can't depend on your judgment when your imagination is out of focus."
    . . . . . . . . . Mark Twain

    by Land of Enchantment on Thu Oct 20, 2005 at 08:42:06 AM PDT

  •  Wendell Berry: "What are People For?" (none / 1)

    A gem of a collection of short pieces, very good on sustainable living. At least, read the first two essays, "Damage" and "Healing," and the title essay, "What are People For?"

    Then, go on to other Berry non-fiction, poetry, fiction.

  •  An oldie- The Yellow Wallpaper (none / 0)

    It's Charlotte Perkins Gilman's not-quite fictional short story about regressive treatment of depression.  A 1911 interview piece about why she wrote the story is here. There's nothing quite like 19th century feminist fiction to shake you up.

    "I'm not a humanitarian. I'm a hell-raiser." Mother Jones

    by histopresto on Thu Oct 20, 2005 at 08:46:38 AM PDT

  •  By the Waters of Babylon (none / 0)

    Short story by Stephen Vincent Benet

    Post Apocalyptic for sure.  Made the most impact on me in junior high school.

    Reminds you of New Orleans post Katrina or Iraq post US invasion

  •  Sheri Tepper (none / 0)

    The Gate to Women's Country -- about what happens when women work methodically to stop war

    and

    The Fresco -- which I was reading during the election of 2000, and it made me laugh so hard I couldn't breathe. Aliens land outside ABQ and let us know that a) we aren't alone, and b) if we don't clean up our act so that we can join their consortium, the predator planets get to have their way with us.

    •  Read that book... (none / 0)

      Gotta disagree about Gate...

      Struck me as a rather depressing book about a horrid future, for both men and women.  (Way too much passive/aggressive behavior among the women and too much really aggressive behavior among the men...)

      Just my opinion of course...

      I'm NOT in Detroit. Unless you count mentally, in which case I'm also 1000 years in the future.

      by detroitmechworks on Thu Oct 20, 2005 at 09:31:36 AM PDT

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  •  Y: The Last Man (none / 0)

    One day in the summer of 2002, every mammal with a Y chromosone inexplicably, and instantaneously dies. That is, all except for twentysomething schlub and would-be magician Yorick Brown, and his pet monkey, Ampersand. Yorick and Ampersand are found by a secretive government agent and a bitter geneticist and they trek across a much-changed USA and world to figure out what happened and whether Yorick is, indeed, the last man on Earth.

    While the premise sounds kinda ooky and sophomoric, it really is very, very well done. Once you get past the deus ex machina of the killer event itself, the world without men portrayed is gritty and real, with some interesting surprises. The Israeli military effectively takes over the middle east with little opposition. The Australian navy rules the seas. The Democrats run the federal government, but are opposed by GOP congressional wives, and so on. Society is split between those who mourn the men and those who celebrate their demise. Very little of the kind of masculine fantasy you might imagine such a concept would warrant (Yorick's only had sex twice in 38 issues!).

    It's also an ongoing comic book, from Vertigo, and I suppose that might bend your rules a bit, but like I said, it's very well done. The trade editions (collecting story arcs) are generally available in most book and comic stores.

    The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views.

    by DFWDem on Thu Oct 20, 2005 at 09:16:00 AM PDT

  •  Doris Lessing (none / 0)

    Memoirs of a Survivor

    Societal breakdown in the city -- particularly interesting at the beginning where people who recognize that everything has changed still live side by side with people who are pretending everything is still the same.  A story of a woman and young girl who adapt and cope.  I'm not doing it justice, but it fits the diarist's criteria perfectly.

    Disability Rights Advocates -- Fighting for justice for disabled veterans

    by mwk on Thu Oct 20, 2005 at 09:21:31 AM PDT

  •  All time favorites (none / 1)

    Earth Abides  by George Stewart

    The Fifth Sacred Thing by Starwhawk

    •  Uhm... (none / 0)

      BLEAH!  BLEAH!!!!!!

      Sorry, just Hated Fifth Sacred Thing...

      Far too much gender feminist rhetoric.  (Equality Feminist here...)  Altogether it felt like a feminist version of "Left Behind"  (WHich I also hated...)

      I'm NOT in Detroit. Unless you count mentally, in which case I'm also 1000 years in the future.

      by detroitmechworks on Thu Oct 20, 2005 at 09:39:26 AM PDT

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  •  Lots of pages... (none / 0)

    My first recommendation is a historical fiction trilogy, each book weighing in around 900+ pages.

    Neal Stephenson's "Baroque Trilogy" - All takes place at that peculiar time in history when Europe seemed always at war, plagues were common, true science and the Age of Reason were born, London burned, colonies were established in North America, the first stock markets and corporations were created, and paper currency was created.  Add to this real characters like Isaac Newton and things take off.  I'm not sure if "Half-cocked" Jack Shaftoe is a super hero/spy type . . . but he is a wonderful creation nonetheless.  A marvelous undertaking!

    Second recommend is "Shadow of the Wind" by Carlos Ruiz Zafon.  Think Barcelona after WWII (and, of course, the Spanish Civil War) and living in Franco's Spain.  But it is really a mystery, a love story and a love letter to literature as well.  It made me go out and read some history of the Spanish Civil War too ... a time with disturbing parallels to the US today.

    When a whole nation is roaring Patriotism at the top of its voice, I am fain to explore the cleanness of its hands and the purity of its heart. - Emerson

    by foolrex on Thu Oct 20, 2005 at 09:28:50 AM PDT

  •  The world ends every night.... (none / 0)

    When I go to sleep.
  •  Two authors (none / 0)

    Russell Hoban - "Riddley Walker" - if you can get past the vaguely Jamaican-patois first person narration, it's well worth the time.

    John Brunner - "Stand on Zanzibar" and "The Sheep Look Up" are scary-prescient.

  •  The Chrysalids (none / 0)

    by John Wyndham.
  •  Connie Willis (none / 0)

    Doomsday Book - Graduate student in the near future, post pandemic, goes back in time to the middle ages. While she is gone a virus braks out forcing a quarantine and affecting those who are supposed to be managing the trip and bringing her safely home. Lots of acadamic infighting in the "present", interesting characters the student lives with in the "past". Of course parallel views of how societies deal with contagion.

    Passage - Lead characters researching near death experiences and are able to chemically mimic them. There is a consistent "setting" that one character continually returns to and a search for what in her past might have caused her to choose this imagery. While reading the book it felt like one of those dreams where you are running down halls and passages very fast to either get to something or get away from something,you aren't sure which but you just have to keep running.

    "My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right." Sen Carl Schurz 1872

    by Catte Nappe on Thu Oct 20, 2005 at 10:18:35 AM PDT

    •  Absolutely! (none / 0)

      I was gonna suggest Doomsday Book. It's one of those "If I were marooned on a desert island," type of books. I read it in one sitting -- about 600 pages, but I couldn't put it down. It is really a heartbreaking book, and yet ... there's still hope.

      But if you really want to bawl your eyes out, read Connie Willis' short story "The Last of the Winnebagos." It's in her collection Impossible Things. It's about the way the important things in the world end not with a bang but a whimper, and without us even noticing until it's too late.

      No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible. -- Voltaire

      by Hastur on Thu Oct 20, 2005 at 10:58:48 AM PDT

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  •  Hi Susan! (none / 0)

    Awesome that you're Reepicheep.

    --Eri (Erika)

    PS I've linked to the Daily Kos on my blog (which isn't too political)(well not until recently).
    http://zwords.blogspot.com

    "YOPP!" --Horton Hears a Who

    by Reepicheep on Wed Oct 26, 2005 at 06:16:00 PM PDT

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