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Microcredit: be a Venture Capitalist.

Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 04:16:15 AM PDT

As I write this on Wednesday evening I`m sitting in a comfortable home office, pecking on my laptop, drinking a cold beer, and trying to decide if we should go to eat at the Indian restaurant down the street. My concerns tonight revolve around Fitzmas, some arcane tax issues, and whether or not my wife's new car should be a Prius. She is in the dining room working on our son's Halloween costume; I needed a few minute's break.

But in Uganda, and Bangladesh, and dozens of other countries my counterparts are sitting on dirt floors worried about how they might buy a couple of goats, or what will happen if no one fixes the pump at the village well. My wife's counterpart may be trying to figure out a way to buy a sewing machine to earn enough to feed her children. They may not earn the price of a laptop in a year, or the cost of a Prius during their entire lives.


A small loan could help these people start a home business, or even a store, improve their small plot of land, or fix their well. But what bank will bother with a loan of $25, or $100, or even $1000. And a credit rating is as unlikely for these villagers as a vacation in Tuscany. But there is a way to make tiny loans at low or no interest rates. It's called microcredit. NGOs have been making microcredit loans for years. But a new organization, Kiva allows people like us to offer micro loans. Individual micro loans are the most exciting charitable plan I've heard of in years.

Do Micro loans really work? They are perhaps the most effective way to help the impoverished that's ever been developed. From the New York Times (archive, February 16, 1997):

Anyone who scoffs at the value of 62 cents should talk to Muhammad Yunus. In 1976, the Bangladeshi economics professor tried an experiment. From his pocket, he lent the equivalent of $26 to a group of 42 workers. With that 62 cents per person, they bought the materials for a day's work weaving chairs or making pots. At the end of their first day as independent business owners, they sold their work and soon paid back loan.

Thus began the microcredit movement, which has become the world's hot idea for reducing poverty. This month, microcredit's backers met in Washington to begin to broaden the program's reach and raise money from developed nations and institutions such as the World Bank. Eight million people are now getting microcredit, half of them in Bangladesh. Microcredit proponents want to expand that to 100 million people by 2005.It is a worthy goal that the United States should support.

The first microcredit program was the Grameen Bank, founded by Mr. Yunus. Now almost all its borrowers are women, who tend to be poorer than men, have fewer opportunities and are much more likely to spend new earnings on their children. Grameen requires its borrowers to organize themselves into groups of five. All are cut off if one borrower defaults. They meet every week to make loan payments at commercial interest rates and critique one another's business plans. They also pledge to boil their water, keep their families small and carry out other good health practices. People who repay small and loans on time can take ones. Grameen, which now makes a profit, claims a higher repayment rate than traditional banks. One-third of its two million borrowers have crossed the poverty line and another third are close.

 

You don't need to go back very far to hear of microcredit's success. Try tying `microcredit' into Google news. This is from today's Vietnam News



HCM CITY -- Tran Trung Tam lived hand to mouth for nearly 20 years, helping to feed and house his eight children by doing any odd job he could find. His wife, Tran Bich Lai, worked as a helper for market vendors, carrying food and other items from place to place.

With only a primary school education, the couple thought their lives would never improve. But after receiving a free house in 1999 from their local People's Committee and a VND10 million (US$630) loan from the Bank for the Poor, Tam and Lai, 40, were able to set up a household business making plastic bags, which now earns them at least $250 a month.

There's lots more information on microcredit on the web. But this diary is about just one program that uses the net to match those in need with individuals, rather than banks or NGOs.  Kiva is based in Palo Alto and works in Uganda. Colman over at European Tribute posted a story about KIVA from The Sharpener. After looking over the site and reading some press and blogging about Kiva I came away very impressed with the idea. Instead of sending off a check to some NGO and not knowing what happens to it, Kiva allows individuals to participate in the process. I expect this will offer lenders real motivation.
From the Kiva website

Kiva was born out of Matthew and Jessica Flannery's combined professional interests, experiences, and expertise. In spring 2004, the couple spent several months working in rural Kenya, Tanzania, and Uganda - Jessica as a staff member with Village Enterprise Fund (VEF), and Matthew as a filmmaker. They were struck by the success of hundreds of small businesses started by VEF, the incredible impact of those businesses on their communities, and the vitality and potential of those businesses' entrepreneurs. <snip>

What We Do
Kiva lets you connect with and loan money to unique small businesses in the developing world.

By choosing a business on our website and then lending money online to that enterprise, you can "sponsor a business" and help the world's working poor make great strides towards economic independence. Throughout the course of the loan (usually 6-12 months), you can receive monthly email updates that let you know about the progress being made by the small business you've sponsored. These updates include reports on loan repayment progress, photos of new capital equipment, narratives on business growth and standard of living improvements, and more. As loans are repaid, you will get your original loan money back.

How does the loan process work?
By partnering with existing microfinance organizations and institutions, Kiva finds outstanding entrepreneurs who need loan funding. Our expert in-country staff works with these partner organizations to conduct due diligence on each business, and once approved, post each business' profile on our website. This is where you come in. You can choose loan money online, using your credit card or Paypal, in increments as low as $25 toward the loan needs of a business. With your participation, Kiva gives entrepreneurs access to the capital they need to lift themselves out of poverty.


The Kiva site offers descriptions of business needing loans and of those who have already received them. This one is typical. Geoffrey Obanja Jasu started with a $100 loan, and is now trying to expand his business.



Partner: Village Enterprise Fund
Partner Rep: Moses Onyango
Location: Tororo, Uganda
Entrepreneur: Geoffrey Obanja Jasu
Activity: Produce wholesales
Loan Amount: $500
Loan Use: Buying more produce each time for greater profit
Start Date: April 1, 2005
Loan Repayment Term Range: 6-12 months
Amount Repaid: $400

The following description was written by Moses Onyango, a volunteer with Village Enterprise Fund and partner representative for Kiva in Uganda:

Geoffrey Obanja Jasu is one of the most hard-working beneficiaries in Tororo District.

He got a grant of 100 US dollars form Village Enterprise Fund as a kick start.

He started with baking local bread called Mandazi, Kabalagala (pan cakes) and also Samosa.

After attending training on business skills twice, he got wide knowledge on how to choose and run his businesses effectively.

He then shifted to running a produce business, including the buying and selling of millet, sorghum, rice, groundnuts, peas, beans, green grams and sunflowers.

His business picked up very much and he got enough profit to hire a store for stocking the produce before selling it.

He now moves around the district buying all the produce from the beneficiaries of Village Enterprise Fund.

I expect him to do greater business to bring development in the lives of our people who are the poor of the poorest.

Given a loan of 500 US dollars, he will excel very much.

He is capable to handle repay the loan effectively.

The UN General Assembly designated the year 2005 as the International Year of Microcredit, so what better time to look at Kiva's site. It really is a brilliant idea, and the site is very informative.


I know diaries like this one don't get lots of comments; they don't make "the list": and they aren't as much fun as scandals. But this kind of an idea can change not just the country; it can change the world. It reaches those people who would consider the poorest victims of Katrina well off, who don't have the luxury of engaging in politics.  

UPDATE: I just received an e-mail from Matt Flannery at Kiva, and another from one of his colleagues. They seem amazed at the number of dKOS folks who are contributing. Matt says he is “stressed out” trying to qualify and put up new businesses needing loans fast enough. Good work Kossacks.

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  •  Instead of tipping , please click on the link. (4.00 / 63)

    Kiva's

    Thanks.

    Do not feel safe. The poet remembers.
    Czeslaw Milosz

    by Chris Kulczycki on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 04:30:54 AM PDT

    •  Doing both (4.00 / 7)

      And hotlisting for future reference.

      Sig: A rose by any other name would probably be deadly thorn-bearing attack vegetation. I am STILL an Edwards Democrat!

      by RunawayRose on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 04:48:14 AM PDT

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    •  excellent diary (none / 1)

      thank you for posting this!
    •  Jesus, we funded every single loan availible. (4.00 / 10)

      Slashdotting for social justice! Or something like that at least. I just set up an account and there aren't any people left on the site to contribute to. All the loans have been fully funded.

      The power of the net to incite what are essentially benevolent mobs in response to obscure causes still absolutely floors me some days.

      Good diary, should go in the Dkos Hall of Fame if there ever is such a thing.

      "If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers." - Thomas Pynchon

      by Windowdog on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 07:51:33 AM PDT

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      •  just sent them a note (4.00 / 5)

        Pointing them to this thread so they have some clue about what's going on. Maybe we'll hear from them in a day or two. I love this idea, I've been reading about microcredit for years but I had no idea there was a way for ordinary mortals to play.
      •  one still left (none / 0)

        at 8:28 AM Thursday

        http://kiva.org/...

        •  Nope that one is full (none / 1)

          Just hasn't been moved over yet to active. It is listed as needing $0 for completion.

          "If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers." - Thomas Pynchon

          by Windowdog on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 08:47:08 AM PDT

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          •  They've put new ones up now. (4.00 / 2)

            I just donated to a hair salon. Really great idea, hope to christ it's legit :-P.

            "If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers." - Thomas Pynchon

            by Windowdog on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 10:23:15 AM PDT

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            •  that's the thing (4.00 / 5)

              I used to work in nonprofit work and traveled to Africa among other places for my work. The old model of western aid was huge monster projects through the local government. It turned into one big graft machine. The current wave is to fund NGO (non-governmental orgs) which is working out much better as it's easier to disengage if there is a problem and you can pick and choose which orgs to fund based on past performance so it sets up an aid market where the qualified, effective organizations get funded and the graft-riddled ones get weeded out.

              The micro-credit approach is even better. First, most little guys tend not to be very corrupt, in most places, the great majority of people are honest. The beauty of micro-credit is that you're able to reach those folks and bypass the smooth operators. Secondly, even if some of them do turn out to be fraudulent it's easy to cut your losses since your exposure isn't very big with any one individual. Finally, working in small villages, like Kiva is doing, also has advantages for vetting projects - everyone knows everyone else and the scam artists are going to be known to local folks and quickly identified.

    •  Tremendous leap forward ... (4.00 / 9)

      I have been (minimally) involved with microcredit for over 15 years.  While I've donated to some of the involved organizations that I trust / respect, the Kiva approach linking individual donors with specific projects is wonderful.

      I assume / hope that they are taking their management costs from whatever 'profit' / fees (e.g., interest) comes on top of the loan.

      And, for someone like myself, they're creating the option where I can 'roll over' the money from one project to another -- increasing my 'investment' level bit by bit.  Thus, perhaps my coming 'investment' might be $100.  A year from now, if I add another $100, then I'll be able to do a $200 program if the loan's been paid back.  And, bit by bit, I could create a position where I could have enough to really have an impact in a specific town / region in the world with years' worth of reporting on how my little bit has helped changed the environment of the town.  

      And, guess what, everyone who deals with Kiva could do the same thing.  This is GREAT!  

      And, thank you very much for posting this diary -- if you get 25 of us linked up with Kiva, think about the long term impact you've had ...

    •  Nice Diary. (none / 1)

      Thanks for sharing this. I've been getting frustrated just giving to causes and organizations that will help people. This is a direct line to small business owners who are ready to put some investments to good use. I'm checking them out right now.
    •  Stop campaigning for Kinky!!! (none / 0)

      oh.  err. wait.  um wrong diary.
    •  FINCA - women (none / 0)

      Please click to learn more about "Village Banking" from FINCA INTERNATIONAL.

      Not just loans (which are paid back), but community development.  

  •  interesting (4.00 / 2)

    Thanks for posting this.  I had not heard of this and am going to read more on it.
  •  Recommend this diary, please!! (4.00 / 6)

    Here at dKos we tend to focus on things here in America, which is certainly understandable.The truth of it is, though, that we can't have full democracy here while folks are destitute elsewhere, any more than democracy here at home can flourish when CEOs get 400 times what their secretaries earn. This is a concrete way to change things.

    If you are uncomfortable with the idea of a loan and repayment, a group with a similar outcome (economic independence and community development) is the Heifer Project, (second half of the comment).

    •  Heifer International (3.83 / 6)

      http://www.heifer.org/

      This, too, is a strong movement to lift individual families.  Reputation for integrity, verifiable results, clean and efficient administration.

      Personally, I would like to see the Christmas budget of Kossack's families put into either of these projects.  I can talk all I want about being liberal but until I stop buying things we don't need, and put some disposable income into the hands of those who are in need, I am pro-war and anti-peace.  

      Sorry for the early-morning rant.

      I am recommending this great diary.  Thanks for introducing this program.

      "War is the calculated and condoned slaughter of human beings". Harry Patch, age 109, WWI veteran.

      by skwimmer on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 06:07:19 AM PDT

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  •  This is wonderful. (4.00 / 4)

    Thanks for the Diary.

    Recommended, bookmarked, and earmarked for future loose cash.

    Just one thing...  Sally Struthers isn't going to pop in on me, is she?

    JF

    It ain't called paranoia - when they're really out to get you. 6 points.

    by Jaime Frontero on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 04:46:32 AM PDT

  •  WWJD? (4.00 / 8)

    Too often I think of these so-called "christians" and how they use Jesus as a weapon to bludgeon all of us heathens over the head, and think "if Jesus were here, what would he be doing?"

    Would it be stamping out gay marriage, or helping feed the hungry?  Would it be pushing "moral values" into every nook and cranny of our personal lives, or clothing the naked?  Would he be building mega-churches and lining His own pockets with donated cash, or would He be out among the least of us, helping to heal the pain and suffering inflicted by this world?  To me, this is a way all of us can help to alleviate some of that pain and suffering, and give someone a chance to change their life for the better.  So all these right-wing religio-fascists should put their money not into the collection plate, but into an organization like this, IMHO.

    Here is an example of how we all could help the helpless and make a difference in someone's life, which could in turn perpetuate a chain of karmic shifts and bring us all closer to realizing our true nature as humans: compassion and love for our fellow humans and all creatures of the earth (except cockroaches...need I explain?)

    Thank you for turning me on to this idea. A great way to start the day...and a great way to change a life (mine included).

    Cheers!

    The Meek Shall Inherit NOTHING

    by LickBush on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 04:47:43 AM PDT

    •  Indeed. (3.80 / 5)

      Living on the fringe of the bible belt makes me angry at times. It makes me want to throw up when I see these enormous mega-churches, the size of small shopping malls. Then there are schools on the same roads where the kids have to learn in trailers.
    •  geez, when i think of "Christians..." (4.00 / 4)

      i think of my friend, doing missionary work with Sudanese refugees in Uganda, i think of my friend teaching in innercity Boston, i think of my friend working to end unjust trade policies at Christian Aid, i think of my mother's church, sending relief money to the Pakistani earthquake victims, i even think of Rick Warren, a big-time mega church evangelical, and his new endeavor to help Rwandans get over the trauma of war. I think of Bono's  One Campaign to end poverty. i think of Father Roy and the Catholics trying to shut down the School of Americas.

      are there right wing asinine Christians more obsessed with gays than they are about the larger issues of the day? of course. they're in the White House and in the media. but for everyone one of those folks, i know another one who is seeking to do good, to love justice and mercy, and is serving the least of these, as they are called to by Christ, not ranting and raving on TV. I'm sorry you  haven't met those folks yet, but they are out there.

      •  I agree wholeheartedly (none / 0)

        that there are good Christians out there...hence the quotes around the word "christian".  I was referencing the so-called "christians" who are all talk but no action.

        The thing many forget is that there are plenty of good NON-christians out there too.  Christianity doesn't have a monopoly on good deeds, although the so-called christians would have us believe that.

        I was speaking specifically about they hypocrites who wave Jesus at us all with such bravado, but when it comes to their deeds, they are all hot air.  Sorry if that was not clear.  But thank you for the reminder that generalization is unwise in any discussion of merit.

        The Meek Shall Inherit NOTHING

        by LickBush on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 04:26:34 PM PDT

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    •  Reminds me of something... (none / 0)

      Cordelia: "...D'you know, if you weren't an agnostic, I should ask you for five shillings to buy a black god-daughter?"

      [....]

            "It's a new thing a missionary priest started last term. You send five bob to some nuns in Africa and they christen a baby and name her after you. I've got six black Cordelias already. Isn't it lovely?"

      Accountability moment, my ass!

      by orthogonal on Fri Oct 28, 2005 at 04:35:15 AM PDT

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  •  Kiva claims a 97% payback rate for (3.85 / 7)

    microfinance generally, and 100%, so far, for their operation. This fits with what I have read about other microfinance projects.

    Read carefully. No interest. No tax deduction. Then go for it. Cast your bread on the waters.

    I hope this gets a wide readership. Kiva was new to me. Thank you.

    Please, everyone recommend.

    And CK, please post at Street Prophets.

    What's so hard about Peace, Love, and Truth and Progress?

    by melvin on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 04:49:00 AM PDT

  •  I used to send money to (3.80 / 5)

    a lending organization that worked with women in Africa, and got status reports and letters from the women.  I was happy to do so.  Then, one morning I got a letter from Citybank and seems they got into the mix.  So I was not interested any further.  Once a huge banking institution got involved, seemed to me that the flavor of the endeavor soured.  So I'll check this out.  This is a terrific idea - it gives people dignity - not charity.  I particularly like the idea of each of the borrowers being held liable for the group.  It is surely responsible giving.  Everyone wants to give back (well, except the neocons) if they can -- and the people in these organizations give back - to each other and their communities.  

    Democrats, Make it Work. You have until November to bring your electorate in.

    by xanthe on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 04:53:45 AM PDT

  •  microcredit (4.00 / 2)

    Could microcredit work for U.S. poor?
    •  The amount doesn't mean as much (4.00 / 3)

      to people living in the US...and I'm sure the check cashing places would fight it tooth and nail.

      (-3.63, -3.03): Dkos' rabid right wing
      John McCain. The President lobbyists have been waiting for.

      by someone else on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 05:07:08 AM PDT

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    •  I think there are (4.00 / 3)

      programs in the US but the microfinance amounts would probably have to be considerably higher.  There have been problems in the developing economies with local established banks saying that these foreign-sponsored microlending institutions are competing unfairly but the established banks don't service the poor, just help the criminal rich launder their funds.  So, we have had to fight back the big banks there.  Not sure whether there would be a fight from the big banks in the US but if it meant a fight in that they started servicing the underprivileged, then so much the better.  Let competition start for this sector.

      Give me ten lines from a good man and I'll find something in there to hang him. - Cardinal Richelieu

      by lgrooney on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 05:11:20 AM PDT

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    •  Perhaps... (none / 1)

      mesocredit...except I think most Americans have already tapped out most of this on the credit cards and home equity lines of credit.

      People in Eurasia on the brink of oppression: I hope it's gonna be alright... Pet Shop Boys: Introspective

      by rgilly on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 05:12:58 AM PDT

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    •  community investing (4.00 / 4)

      Microcredit is one form of community investing, and community investing works in the US. The amounts are larger, but the concept is the same -- give a fairly small loan to someone who traditional lenders consider uncreditworthy so he or she can buy a home, start a small business, or otherwise contribute to local economic development. A lot of the CI programs also provide financial counseling, business start-up assistance, or other similar resources to loan recipients, and that helps keep loan repayment rates high.

      Co-op America has written a lot on the subject:

      www.coopamerica.org/go/communityinvest

      •  Co-op America really helpful (none / 1)

        I just joined Co-op America and am impressed by the extent of information they have on microinvesting.  What a great idea it is.

        Maybe if mothers (and men with a mother's heart) ran the world, we would stop killing so many people.

        by chichagof on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 07:31:54 AM PDT

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    •  There is a big microcredit movement in the US. (4.00 / 4)

      They usually lend to very small businesses owned by the poor. The amounts are more like $1000 to $25,000. That's micro in the US, but it could rebuild a whole village in some countries. Most of us can't afford to lend that much. Still it's a wonderful idea. Google it and you'll find lots of info.
      This reminds me of something from my childhood. We had recently emmigrated to the US. My Mom, who grew up in wartime Poland, said, "The US is the only country in the world where the poor drive cars to the aid office."

      Do not feel safe. The poet remembers.
      Czeslaw Milosz

      by Chris Kulczycki on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 05:34:37 AM PDT

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      •  My wife used the UMLF in Salt Lake for equipment (4.00 / 2)

        The Utah Microenterprise Loan Fund provided a loan for ski tuning machinery. She would have never been loaned the money by a bank.

        "In the end we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends." MLK, changed to this during the 2008 FISA fight

        by bewert on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 07:38:47 AM PDT

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    •  It Might Work for Me (none / 1)

      Having been aged out of tech employment, and left with 40 years of time to kill in the economy, I'm making things in a growing home craft business.

      True micro-loans in the hundreds wouldn't help, but "mini" loans in small numbers of thousands could.

      A thousand dollars will buy an entry level metal lathe, or a combination of several other small machines such as a bandsaw, tool grinder, belt sander and drill press setup. A $1000 mini-loan would go a long way towards setting up a home whitecollar office startup.

      This kind of money could be important money in ghetto situations, and I've had personal knowledge of such off-the-books community loaning on this scale in a number of different ethnic or immigrant groups going back into the 60's.

      The other use of a very small mini loan would be for a short apprenticeship or internship. A couple of weeks' working at very low pay for some established operation could be sufficient job training for many people, especially those at the real bottom who are profoundly lacking in experience & connections into the world of work.

      And this brings us to the point of considering setting up entire alternative noncorporate community economies for everyone.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 07:33:22 AM PDT

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    •  There are some programs (4.00 / 3)

      I have a friend who belongs to a "lending circle."   Small business owners are belong and can borrow from $500 - $2000. Each circle has about 8-10 people who meet weekly to track one anothers progress. Each person contributes $10/week to the loan fund. When a loan is repaid, the next person by seniority gets to borrow.

      It has been very successful for her. She has borrowed several times for things like paying for business cards, upgrading her phone system, hiring temporary help, etc.

      She is African American as is the rest of the group and says she has known of this system in African American communities all of her life.

      •  another great idea (4.00 / 2)

        I'm starting a landscape business and have gotten loans from family. Within my family, we have a trust fund from when my grandfather died and it's been used several times to fund things like this.
    •  and it doesn't have to be cash (none / 1)

      There is a Guatemalan-American fellow in town who wanted to start a side business in lawn and yard work. He's a pretty fair small engine mechanic, so we gave him an old lawnmower--working but nothing spectacular. One of the neighbors gave him one their gas powered lawn trimmers, another person tossed in some new line for it. Another family provided some new plastic trash barrels, and so it went.  It didn't take long before he had all the basic equipment. The next steps were his. He contacted several elderly people in town, some two/three job families, and some who just flat hate yard work, and now during the summer months he has a sideline business of his own. This is entreprenuership--good old fashioned American work ethic and imagination! It didn't take tax cuts for the upper 2% of the country to create this business...it just took some generous members of the community.
  •  As Someone Who Has Been Involved (4.00 / 7)

    in microfinance, let me say simply, "It really works."  The most interesting finding in microfinance is that it pulls up women who are extremely underprivileged even among the underprivileged.  Why does it help women more?  Because they are the most responsible borrowers with a payoff rate well over 90%.  For men, the figure, last I checked, was around 70%.  So, the microfinance institutions understand that they will get paid back by lending to women.  This is an interesting idea that we can participate as individuals.  Not sure what the return is for us, if one is looking at it as an investment, but one can safely know that the money will be spent to actually help people.

    Give me ten lines from a good man and I'll find something in there to hang him. - Cardinal Richelieu

    by lgrooney on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 05:07:23 AM PDT

  •  first learned of microcredit at U of M (4.00 / 3)

    during a wonderful Executive Education program in 2000.  Of all of the amazing things I learned there, the Grameen Bank case study was the most profound, and its lessons have stuck with me the longest.

    Energize America: Demand Energy Security by 2020!

    by Doolittle Sothere on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 05:23:30 AM PDT

  •  Micro-credit (4.00 / 6)

    is one of the most important tools in lifting people out of poverty.
    •  Come on let's not exaggerate (4.00 / 2)

      Tax Policy, trade policy, education, fair credit laws, labor laws etc., all are huge parts of the puzzle of which micro-credit is just one piece.

      "The more they spoke of honor, the more I checked my wallet."

      by bankbane on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 07:05:52 AM PDT

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      •  no shit (none / 1)

        that is why Sterling said is ONE of the most important tools
        •  I object to "one of the most important" (none / 0)

          Because that modifier is so divorced from the reality of what actually controls economic development in Third World countries. This is emblematic of a historical problem with progressive action in this country. Instead of dirtying our hands by effectively working to change, regulate, control and harness existing institutions, we have people with short attention spans, unwilling to study the history of an issue, who develop new "pure" organizations that for the most part remain marginalized and marginally effective except for the few which succeed and are soon deemed to be tainted and sell-outs by the new generation of "progressives" who have the "new" great ideas.

          Kiva may be a very good organization and it may be doing good things but the fact is that few if any of the people who have been proclaiming this the greatest thing since sliced bread know shit about the organization. For all we know they could be just another version of the Nigerian Prince scam artist emailers.

          If someone were to post a diary here asking for help to increase the Community Development Financial Institutions funding in the FY06 budget this year from $54 million to $80 million (Money that by and large goes to provide micro-lending in this country) they would get a yawn and a dozen comments if they were lucky, because that would be nitty-gritty, ambiguous get-your-hands-dirty political lobbying of politicians who have been declared corrupt and sell-outs because they didn't vote the way we wanted them to vote a few times.

          Let me tell you how I really feel!

          "The more they spoke of honor, the more I checked my wallet."

          by bankbane on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 02:17:41 PM PDT

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          •  Oh look! A parade! (4.00 / 2)

            Guess I better rain on it...

            Fool me once, I'll punch you in the fucking head.

            by HollywoodOz on Fri Oct 28, 2005 at 01:47:22 AM PDT

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            •  I don't rain on Mardi Gras (none / 0)

              Just on Mardi Gras pretending to be progressive activism

              "The more they spoke of honor, the more I checked my wallet."

              by bankbane on Fri Oct 28, 2005 at 08:10:45 PM PDT

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              •  Riiiight. (none / 0)

                Because loaning money to a guy in Uganda who wants to start a fishmonger business so he can feed his children is SUCH a phony baloney thing to do.

                What an ass.

                Fool me once, I'll punch you in the fucking head.

                by HollywoodOz on Fri Oct 28, 2005 at 11:03:43 PM PDT

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                •  As someone who works for an organization (none / 0)

                  that provides micro loans in the US and has spent over twenty years working on making credit available for the underserved, I would laugh off your comments and move on, if they didn't illustrate a big problem that we progressives have in the blogosphere.  

                  If you follow my comments through this diary you will see that I support the idea of micro-lending; what I objected to was the exaggeration and gullibility about what was being portrayed as a  new idea. About 30 years ago Grameen Bank pioneered the concepts that Kiva seems to be building on. Almost 4 million of Bangladesh's 150 million people are active borrowers from Grameen Bank. 95% of those borrowers are women and they represent the most rural, poorest people in Bangladesh.

                  Yet I doubt that few of even the most passionate supporters of Grameen would claim that microlending is one of the most important economic forces in Bangladesh, when compared to education, trade policies and other macroeconomic forces. Grameen has done excellent sustained work that has reached a significant portion of the country's population and yet Bangladesh remains one of the poorest countries in the world.

                  In contrast to Grameen with a proven track record, an independent board of directors, audited financials statements that any one can look at, Kiva is not yet incorporated, nor does it have 501 (c) 3 status, or any indication of who the board of directors are; just a good web site and some compelling stories. In addition Kiva's tweak on the Grameen model raises questions about whether this is really a sustainable effort, or one that will quickly fade away once they stop being able to attact new donor/lenders.  That's OK because everybody has to start somewhere and innovation helps us learn.

                  But we're in serious trouble if the comments on this diary are a fair representation of the blogger world's knowledge base on these issues, their historical sense and their ability to do critical thinking. Then we're doomed to watch bloggers with the attention span of rabbits lurch around chasing the latest fads instead of building and developing a solid movement with real historically rooted political and economic skills.

                  "The more they spoke of honor, the more I checked my wallet."

                  by bankbane on Sat Oct 29, 2005 at 06:11:47 AM PDT

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  •  one more (4.00 / 3)

    good organization that does this is FINCA.  The village groups also run the banks, so the community is invested in the loans & the bank as a business.

    They work in Africa, Central America and countries that were in the former soviet union.

    www.villagebanking.org

    Thanks for posting on this.  Microcredit really works.

    although it's getting late, you still have plenty of time

    by maracuja on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 05:42:37 AM PDT

    •  didn't link right (none / 1)

      it's here

      although it's getting late, you still have plenty of time

      by maracuja on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 05:43:49 AM PDT

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      •  Holy Crap!!! (4.00 / 4)

        http://www.villagebanking.org/...

        From Begging for Bubbles to Running Her Own Business

        When she was 13 years old, Nayima Umaru was married and two years later gave birth to her first child. She had seven more children with her first husband before he became ill and died, leaving her pregnant with twins and no way to make a living. Her neighbors shunned her because she was an unmarried woman with many children, and had no one to provide for her.

        Mrs. Umaru moved to a single room with her children. They had nothing to eat; Mrs. Umaru couldn't even afford a piece of soap. She would sweet-talk whomever was doing laundry, asking them to give her their used bubbles so she could wash her childrens clothes. Because they were so poor, all the children were forced to drop out of school. Mrs. Umaru's family members only called on her when their maids were away and they had chores to be done. She obliged them willingly, however, because she knew her children would have a full meal from the leftovers.

        Mrs. Umaru began selling bananas and fried cassava by the roadsides, but still her life didnt change much. Then her friend introduced her to her village banking group so she could expand her banana business. At first, the group members shunned her because she was considered half-caste - her father was not Ugandan. They believed she would run away with the money, and they would be responsible for paying her loan. But her friend pleaded with them to accept Mrs. Umaru; they consented on condition that the friend would repay Mrs. Umaru's loan if she defaulted.

        Mrs. Umaru's first loan was 100,000 Uganda shillings (US$50). Her dream was to operate her own small business and improve the lives of her children, so she saved a portion of each loan and, today, after eight years as a village bank member, she runs a small restaurant and a catering business. Two of her daughters are now married and work at the restaurant; four of her children are still in school; and one son works at a petrol station. She has remarried for companionship, and plans to complete her four-bedroom house this year.

        Mrs. Umaru is grateful that her friend sponsored her in their village bank group, and thankful that FINCA Uganda has been there for her as she has fulfilled her dream.

  •  Isn't this what Credit Unions used to be? (none / 1)

  •  Damn! (4.00 / 3)

    This is an amazing idea!

    Here we are outsourcing jobs to the rest of the world precisely because the value of a dollar goes so much further, and we've been missing out on the fact that sending capital rather than jobs can be profitable for exactly the same reason!

    More profitable, even, considering that it doesn't require the movement or construction of a physical plant in order to cash in on the relative advantage of low wages and cost of resources. Plus, the dollar amounts needed are so low as a result of those factors, that investors of relatively modest means can actually participate, unlike in the U.S.

    This is fantastic!

    I guess it could be thought of as a little bit exploitative, but it's a hell of a lot better than leaving all that potential on the table for the multinationals to gobble up.

    I'm definitely gonna look into it! As an investor here in the U.S., I'm a pipsqueak. Nobody wants to talk to me and my little stash. So I'll do what the corporations do: essentially "save" money by doing business abroad!

    •  This post confuses my sensors (none / 1)

      Half of it seems sincere, and half snark.

      With the low-to-no interest on the microloans, it's not something one should look at as a profit-making mechanism (with a weakening dollar, your return may even be negative).

      (-3.63, -3.03): Dkos' rabid right wing
      John McCain. The President lobbyists have been waiting for.

      by someone else on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 06:14:47 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Well, it's serious. (4.00 / 2)

        Kiva may or may not be the program to deliver it, but the potential is there for an actual for-profit investment vehicle, just as I explained it.

        It won't necessarily be the vehicle of choice for those seeking to maximize their profits, but it has real potential as a "micro" program on the investor side. I don't have huge chunks of cash lying around to invest in mainstream vehicles here in the U.S. But I could certainly consider participating on a micro scale in projects overseas.

        I don't need a huge profit. Savings accounts, CDs, money market funds, etc. aren't returning a whole hell of a lot as it is. And nobody in real need benefits from those investments anyway, as far as I know. So if there was a way to get even the same relatively low returns out of a program of microloans that I get now, I'd actually be excited about participating.

        But yeah, there'd have to be a profit in it to make me pay close attention and commit significant resources. I don't think that's inappropriate to say. I can't afford to give the money away, and if I'm going to put time and effort into parceling out what little I've got to invest, then I'd like it to be worth something as well as be somewhat socially responsible.

        Ultimately, I find that to be the biggest potential motivator for expanding participation. And it shouldn't be any secret as to why.

        But I'm absolutely serious about my interest in the way it leverages relative advantage for small investors. Why should that arbitrage value be left on the table for multinational corporations to take, and for God knows what purpose? Why not take some for yourself, and help someone else while you're at it? Do what you want with the profits, but there's no shame in there being any.

        •  right, and what's unique about Kiva (4.00 / 3)

          Is that it is truly person-to-person. The other programs that people have brought up in comments so far seem to only accept donations, or have loan programs for accredited investors only. (For those who don't know, for an individual to be an accredited investor means you have a net worth of $1M or more, or consistent income for several years of $200K or more.) With Kiva it's person-to-person and you can take your money back out. That's very cool.

          But ... I'm not sure that there is any sort of way to get even a modest personal profit out of something like this just yet. The reason Kiva doesn't provide interest is to avoid a lot of extra regulatory rigmarole. The instant it starts returning profits to investors, there's a LOT more paperwork involved.

          It does seem like it'd be possible for something like Kiva (or Kiva itself, after several years of growth beyond its current infancy) to be created that would allow for some sort of profit-taking. There are a lot of logistical problems, though. Paperwork and regulatory filings are one.

          Then you have the problem of limiting it to your target market of ordinary investors -- if the investment looks safe enough that some big corporation decides to drop a measly (to them) $10M into it, well, that turns it into a substantially different operation. You need a way to make sure that doesn't happen and that it stays in the "micro" realm.

          I don't know. It just seems like there's a high risk of power (money) corrupting. Kiva can work because it's small and socially-oriented, not profit-oriented. Once you start bringing in profits, it seems like it might have difficulties. But if you manage to find or start something like that, let me know.

          The world won't get no better if we just let it be.

          by drewthaler on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 07:41:18 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Yeah, I see that now. (none / 1)

            But boy, would I be excited about a program that was set up for profit. Not so much because I demand a return on my investment, but because it could potentially bring in so much more money to the program, from fence-sitters. And being Internet-based, it leverages the same pooling power of small donors investors that "netroots" politics can -- that is, a reach so wide it makes small dollars worthwhile to collate.
          •  So how about it? (none / 1)

            Do we have anyone with the experience to tell us whether this is possible? How about to actually do it?

            Bonddad?

        •  Bigger individual lenders do get interest (none / 1)

          Individuals who make more significant investments in microloans get interest. I don't know what the minimum level is, but I expect it's probably around $25K or $50K. If a philanthropist invests that much, she does get a return on her money, but it's of course not as much as she'd get with a more traditional investment. Some philanthropists just think of the difference as a donation.
        •  I respect that (none / 1)

          I guess my snarkometer needs recalibrated.  I'm thinking it was the !'s that threw it off.

          (-3.63, -3.03): Dkos' rabid right wing
          John McCain. The President lobbyists have been waiting for.

          by someone else on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 08:30:12 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  A way to leverage your contribution (4.00 / 7)

        While you can ask to get from one to three percent interest from microlending, I see it as more a way to leverage my contributions.  If I put $1000 into a microlending bank and say I don't want interest, it is costing me from $10 to $40 a year compared to what I would get in a bank. At the end of the time (hopefully more than 1 year) I take back my $1000.  That money has had much more impact that my $30 contribution would have. I was a venture capitalist - but my added capital was hope.

        Maybe if mothers (and men with a mother's heart) ran the world, we would stop killing so many people.

        by chichagof on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 07:37:11 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  I'm hugely excited by this idea... (4.00 / 7)

    I'm going back to work next week after a nearly four month layoff, (luckily the layoff was expected and I had saved up for it) I'll get my first paycheck in mid-November and this program is definitely going to get some of it. Thanks for posting this!

    Alito. Kennedy. Roberts. Scalia. Thomas.
    More important than ever: ERA NOW!

    by greeseyparrot on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 05:50:01 AM PDT

  •  Just Joined KIVA (4.00 / 4)

    and loaned some money. This is going to be interesting, fun and a much better use for the money than almost anything I can think of offhand. Good idea for a diary.  Also liked your diary on cute little cars.

    "Great works are performed not by strength, but by perseverance." Samuel Johnson

    by Rona on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 05:50:23 AM PDT

  •  Accion International (4.00 / 3)

    Here is another one that  focuses on Central America, the Carribean and Africa.
  •  Just one technical question (none / 1)

    Wow - this is a great idea. I would like to participate. I just have one technical question. Does anyone know what are the US tax implications of this system? (I'm referring to my personal income tax.) Do I need to report anything when I contribute? Do I need to report anything when I get repaid (if I take it as a repayment?) If I don't accept the repayment, is it considered a tax deductible charitable donation at that point?

    I beg to dream and differ from the hollow lies..

    by lesliet on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 05:59:33 AM PDT

    •  from the FAQ (none / 1)

      http://www.kiva.org/...

      What is my loan considered, financially speaking? Is it a tax-deductible donation? Is it an investment? Is it something else?

      When you "sponsor a business" you are lending money with the intention of being paid back. This is not a donation, so it is not considered tax-deductible.

      Because we do not repay our lenders with interest, the SEC does not consider a Kiva loan a security. If we did offer interest, the SEC would consider Kiva loans to be securities that could be heavily regulated, which would be prohibitive for Kiva, for lenders, and for sponsored businesses.

      We believe Kiva's charitable loan program encompasses the best of many worlds. It is a new financial product best suited for someone who isn't concerned about getting a tax deduction, likes the idea of getting their money back, and is interested in having a customized, high-engagement experience learning about a small business enabled by their microloan in East Africa.

      It's a loan, not a donation, and therefore is not tax-deductible.

      But since it earns no interest, there is no income to report from it and so there's nothing to do tax-wise.

      I suppose if you don't get repaid, you might be able to write off the loss, but you'd have to ask an accountant about that. Personally I would be inclined to just look at it as a better form of donation: I will only donate money that I can afford to lose, and if/when it gets paid back turn around and put that money back into the system.

      The world won't get no better if we just let it be.

      by drewthaler on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 06:33:16 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Thanks, that's what I thought (none / 1)

        But it's always good to be sure about these things.

        I beg to dream and differ from the hollow lies..

        by lesliet on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 07:01:35 AM PDT

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      •  I don't remember where I heard this, (none / 1)

        but I thought if you loaned someone an amount above a certain amount, the government wants to tax you on it as though you earned interest, even if interest wasn't part of the agreement.

        I think I either read it or saw it on one of those small-claims court shows, so I'm not sure if it applies here.  [Even if it did, I can't imagine this is one of the IRS's biggest priorities]

        (-3.63, -3.03): Dkos' rabid right wing
        John McCain. The President lobbyists have been waiting for.

        by someone else on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 08:33:20 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  If you want to make a donation (none / 0)

      The Kiva site is no longer taking loans (dKos folk covered them all!) so they are recommending a tax-deductable donation to a group that works in the same area building infrastructure. That could be a wonderful complimentary action to the Kiva loans. Maybe you want to do that?
  •  great (4.00 / 2)

    link.  I've done this before, but it was through another organization, I don't recall the name.  For like $200, my family gave the gift of two sheep to a family somewhere in northern africa, I don't recall the country...it was when I was maybe 16, so about 13 years ago.
  •  Great diary (4.00 / 2)

    the meek shall inherit the earth

    by Howaboutthetruth on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 06:02:40 AM PDT

  •  My dad, RIP, made microloans for years. (4.00 / 23)

    My dad, who died 7 months ago, came from the Philippines in the early-1930s and served in the Coast Guard. He retired in 1958 and chose to return to the Philippines after he retired. Although his retirement pay would have been a pittance here, there it was a small fortune - no way he could spend it all if he lived sensibly.

    Over the years, he loaned lot's of people money to start small businesses - fish farms, buy fishing boats, start small neighborhood in home stores, buy pedal powered cabs, sewing machines, tools, etc. The loans were in the $5-1000 range (pre-inflation)

    Never charged any interest. (But fisherman used to drop off fish after netting them, seamstresses would sew us costumes for school plays, pedi-cabs would pick us up as we were walking to school and give us free rides, etc.)

    Always got paid back (some took longer than others to pay him back).

    At his funeral in April, the main street of the small town he lived in was closed down and the line of people who walked from the church to the cemetary was over a mile long.

    I cried a lot - not out of sadness, but because so many people who I did not know came up to offer their condolences and every one said that he had helped them. Many asked if they should make their payments to me now. I was so proud.

    Now, I go to the Philippines at least 4 times a year (I made some investments there that I need to look after). Each trip, someone always comes to talk to me and ask for a loan. If they make sense, I always give it. When I get payments, I put them aside to use again. My total portfolio to date is less than $4000 and there are currently 26 people on my creditor's list.

    The foolish and the dead alone never change their opinions. James Russell Lowell

    by Serendipity on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 06:05:15 AM PDT

  •  I didn't even know... (4.00 / 2)

    ...such a thing existed.

    I'm sure there are many like me, who have always wished that there was something I could do to address the issue of global poverty, but who thought that the issue could only really be addressed on a macro level by governments and worldwide organizations.

    I've also been generally distrustful of organizations that put infomercials on TV asking for 79 cents a day to feed a child in need. I don't know that the money is realy going where they say it will, and it does little to address the underlying problems that caused that child to live in desperate poverty in the first place.

    Kiva presents ordinary people with an opportunity to actually make an impact on improving the root causes of third-world poverty.

    I can't thank you enough for posting this diary. I can't wait to make my first microloan.

    We have our nominee. Now it's time to drink John McCain's milkshake.

    by Devin on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 06:14:14 AM PDT

  •  I don't know anything about Kiva, (4.00 / 2)

    Kiva is apparently a new organization, since they say on their website that their tax-exempt application is still pending.  That doesn't mean it's not a very good one, but a more established one is Oikocredit, the U.S. affiliate of which has board members representing religious organizations including the National Council of Churches, Presbyterian Church (USA), and United Church of Christ.  For more information, see:
    http://www.oikocredit.org/... and http://www.oikocredit.org/...

    Heifer International is also a great organization that does similar things focused especially on livestock for rural families.  My wife and I went on a study tour of some of their projects in Mexico several years ago, and they make a real difference in people's lives.

    "Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither liberty nor security." -Ben Franklin

    by leevank on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 06:29:29 AM PDT

    •  what was the study tour like? (none / 1)

      how many places did you visit?  I've been curious about those.

      although it's getting late, you still have plenty of time

      by maracuja on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 06:39:12 AM PDT

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      •  Study tour (4.00 / 2)

        We visited about a half dozen projects, from Durango State in the north to Puebla State in the south.  At just about every village we visited, they fed us (and no, nobody got sick), and at two of them, there was a big fiesta (although the fiesta was planned for one of them, since it was what's called Three Kings Day in Mexico (Epiphany here, or the 12th day of Christmas), which is when children in Latin America traditionally get gifts.  We were the first North Americans who had ever visited most of the villages.

        We saw everything from very new projects, to long-established ones, to a large orphanage that had become largely self-supporting through the manufacture and sale of goat cheese that resulted from a gift of goats many years ago.  You learn a lot about how the various communities organize themselves.  In one of them, the women had a co-op that made cheese, most of which they sold at a small restaurant operated in the village (which was patronized largely by truckers hauling logs down from the mountains).

        In addition, as is typical of many of their study tours, there was a day or so given over to more typical "tourist" things, including a visit to the anthropology museum and other sites in Mexico City.  Hotels tend to be basic, but clean and safe.

        The main attraction of one of these tours is the people, who were so generous with feeding us, giving us gifts (cheeses and local produce), and thanking us, that we all ended up feeling very inadequate in expressing our thanks.  You also learn about how important the concept of "passing on the gift" is in helping people feel that they aren't simply charity recipients, but are being enabled to help their neighbors just as they've been helped.  As one man said, whose cow hadn't yet had a heifer calf and whose turn to pass on the gift hadn't yet arrived, "I just wish I could split my cow in two, so that I could pass on the gift right now."

        At least in the villages we visited, there was a big desire to develop economic opportunities in the village, so that young people (especially young men) wouldn't have to go to the big cities in Mexico (or the United States) in order to find work.  One wish that I've had ever since he got on his big kick about immigration is that Lou Dobbs could have been on the tour, since it might have opened his eyes to what drives undocumented workers to come here.

        I don't know anybody who has ever been on one of the study tours who hasn't described it as a truly life-changing experience.

        "Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither liberty nor security." -Ben Franklin

        by leevank on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 11:07:54 AM PDT

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  •  Microcredit a major focus of Dick Gephardt's ... (4.00 / 2)

    ... formative Institute for Public Service, which will capitalize on two underutilized resource groups:

    1. Students at US (and eventually global) universtities, beginning at Washington U. in St. Louis.

    2. Early/affluent/averge boomer retirees.

    The Great Obama might saw the lady in half, but he won't make the elephant disappear. The Confluence

    by RonK Seattle on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 06:31:30 AM PDT

  •  Great diary Chris! (none / 1)

    Thank you for this information.  Most of us here didn't know this existed.  I will be passing this info along to all my friends.

    If the people lead, the leaders will follow.

    by Mz Kleen on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 06:32:00 AM PDT

  •  Very exciting (none / 1)

    Thanks for posting!
  •  Teach a man to fish (none / 1)

    This seems like a great way to reach many people with the same $100. Lend it, it's paid back. lend it again, it's paid back. lend it again....

    It's money that doesn't disappear into an institution and doesn't have to be replaced to help someone else.

    It also leaves the lendee with dignity.

    Today's problems are yesterday's solutions. Don Beck

    by Sherri in TX on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 06:43:35 AM PDT

  •  Sports Illustrated (none / 0)

    did an article on this years and years ago because some baseball players had engaged in making micro loans... I have often wondered if this type of practice was still going on... I'm so happy to hear that it does... I would like to be involved... I'll check out your link...thanks

    If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison, fourth US president (1751-1836)

    by crkrjx on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 06:43:46 AM PDT

  •  basic technologies (4.00 / 5)

    Quite a while ago I read a Wired magazine article about a company who'd come up with a small, pedal-powered irrigation pump that cost $38 and allowed a family to irrigate 1.5 acres per day.  The pump is credited for increasing Kenya's GDP by 0.5% and increasing family income by $1,400/year on average.

    The same company (now called KickStart) came up with a large drum with a handle that allowed it to be pushed along, rolling on its side.  This is used to transport large quantities of water, and often increases female school attendance because mothers no longer need their daughters to help carry water.

    These things are manufactured in Africa by local workers, and are often given to families on credit, since retailers know the money will easily come back to them.  Governments have little to no role in any of this, which means nothing is sacrificed to bureaucracy or corruption.

    And here is another excellent way to help individuals directly-- bravo!  Thanks so much for the diary.  I'm heading off to the Kiva site now.

    I have never let my schooling interfere with my education. -- Mark Twain

    by vinifera on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 06:44:49 AM PDT

  •  thanks for the info (none / 0)

    I didn't know stuff like this existed either. I signed up as well, but it looks like everyone else beat me to the few remaining in-need businesses. :-) I will have to wait for the next round.

    I very much like the idea of people helping people like this. And when the money comes back in, it's easy to just turn it around for another loan! I think they're absolutely right that it will keep people in the loop and make each single "donation" turn into several. Very cool idea, and I love the person-to-person concept behind it.

    The world won't get no better if we just let it be.

    by drewthaler on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 06:44:53 AM PDT

    •  Click "businesses" (none / 1)

      and then "In Need" along the left side of the page. There are about four available. I chose the woman who is starting a restaurant because my husband's family has been in the restaurant business...and because I love to eat! What a fun way to "invest".

      tragically un-hip
      ..- .... --..-- / --- -.- .-.-.-

      -5.88, -6.82

      by Debby on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 09:34:25 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  they seem to be changing (none / 0)

        They were all gone when I looked, but then I looked again and some new ones were up. Perhaps they noticed an influx of new traffic from DKos and have been busy working on promoting investment opportunities from their pool of potentials? That'd be pretty cool if so. As 2004 showed, we do have a lot of weight to throw around for good causes...

        The world won't get no better if we just let it be.

        by drewthaler on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 10:19:41 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  I just got an e-mail from Matt at Kiva (4.00 / 3)

          He seems amazed at the number of dKOS folks who are contributing and is "stressed out" trying to put up new businesses needing loans fast enough.

          Do not feel safe. The poet remembers.
          Czeslaw Milosz

          by Chris Kulczycki on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 11:01:37 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  good! (none / 0)

            Of all the kinds of stress, having a lot of people signing up for your service all at once has to be one of the nicest. :-)

            Three cheers to Kiva for rising to the challenge! As I write this, there are now four businesses in the "in need" section:

            • Mot Mot - has $425 of $500 needed
            • Kuro Chiki Hotel - has $500 of $500 needed
            • Fur Ber Fish - has $150 of $300 needed
            • Awasi Goat Keepers - has $350 of $500 needed

            I'm pretty sure all of them were added within the last eight hours or so, after this diary hit the recommended list. They weren't there when I looked earlier.

            The world won't get no better if we just let it be.

            by drewthaler on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 01:30:59 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Hurray! (none / 0)

              My restaurant lady has gone through! I wanted to donate to the goat people as well, because I love goats, but it looks like everyone has been covered!

              Maybe the diary could be updated with links to some of the other businesses like this that folks have posted about. And there's always Heifer!

              tragically un-hip
              ..- .... --..-- / --- -.- .-.-.-

              -5.88, -6.82

              by Debby on Thu Oct 27, 2005 at 08:03:26 PM PDT

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  •  yes yes yes yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (4.00 / 2)

    This is exactly the type of thing progressives should be doing.  You can change the world even if you're not running the government. I'm not saying to not try and do that, just saying that this is real change that can happen anywhere in the world.
  •  Thanks Chris (none / 0)

    Great diary- I wish there was a new one like this every day on the rec' list.  It's practical, active, affordable, features close contact between the person taking action and the person being helped.  Great stuff.  

    One note -  my office's web filter blocked the kiva site.  Not sure what that's all about, but just so folks are duly warned.

    Chris - you've been hotlisted for a week or two now.  Great stuff.

    It's as if we had gone to war with starfish, and decided the way to win was slice off their arms and toss them back into the ocean. - Devilstower

    by Austin in PA o