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Science Friday: Winged Demons of the Night

Fri Oct 07, 2005 at 04:33:58 AM PDT

A Ghost story my older friends and siblings used to spin near Halloween relates the tale of a hard drinking sinner and gambler who managed to fool the Devil not once, but twice. The clever man, we'll call him Jocko, eventually left Beelzebub hanging helplessly in midair and wouldn't let him go until the Devil promised that Jocko would never enter Hell.

After death Jocko was rejected from the Pearly Gates and appeared by default at the Hadaean entrance. But the Devil was bound by the promise not to let him in. At which point Jocko pointed out it was a heck of a long walk back to the mortal world in the dark. So Satan went to fetch him a hellish ember, leaving the door unguarded for a bit, and a few winged mini-demons made a break for it before Satan could return. Equipped with a light-source, Jocko took off with his new flying associates swarming around him, doomed to wander the nocturnal world as an eternally damned soul. And this is how bats came to be in the mortal realm.

                                   

You're hiking in the beautiful desert highlands of western Mexico, walking ancient trails winding through hills and high valleys among a scenic mix of cacti and scattered pine trees on a broad Oaxacan plateau. The Sierra Madre Mountains form a distant, majestic background. You make camp under a glorious, velvet canopy of rising stars littering the crystal clear night sky like powdered sugar. It seems a magical paradise ... Until hours later, when your eyes snap open in mid dream and you awaken startled in the darkness. The campfire has burned out, your arm, exposed outside the sleeping bag, is numb with prickly cold. As the cobwebs clear from your mind, you sit up, only to be rewarded by a woozy sensation. You hear something or some things scuttle away softly in the darkness and get a whiff of a foul odor in the air ... The next day you can't seem to get your wind while hiking to the exotic Monte Alban ruins, and you notice a few, small, faint bruises on your hand and arm, each with a tiny scab in the middle. They itch. Absent-mindedly, you scratch your ear and find another bite on the lobe. Locals seeing your marks whisper something about palo de la sangre among themselves, and keep their distance ...

The order of bats, Chiroptera, meaning hand-wing, is divided into two broad suborders: The Megachiroptera and Microchiroptera. More commonly known as fruit bats and insectivorous bats. Of all the mammals, only these creatures can truly fly. Sugar gliders, flying squirrels, and a few other tree dwellers can glide short distances. But bats take to the air like birds on fully functional powered wings, a membranous skin stretched over four elongated finger bones.

Perhaps no other mammal has been so unfairly maligned, so consistently castigated, and so routinely treated with fear and contempt, as bats. But among the mostly harmless order of Chiroptera, there is one Latin American denizen that fully deserves the unsavory reputation all bats are saddled with. This clade has adapted to a diet of a different kind of, shall we say, nector, and the most common species prefers mammals as its prey: The Vampire Bats.

               

Desmodus rotundus, the common vampire bat, is about the size of man's thumb with a wingspan of eight or nine inches. This goblin has heat sensors in that nasty nose to help detect prey

True to their mythological name, these guys stealthily crawl up to sleeping cows or people alike during the dead of night, sometimes by the dozen. They ghoulishly feed on livestock, wild animals, or us by first depositing a little topical anesthetic to deaden the skin before chewing a small hole in it. The bat then laps the blood up, consuming their own body weight in sweet claret, while releasing an anticoagulant in the saliva fittingly called Draculin, until they can hold no more. In order to take flight with all that added mass they must urinate generously on the spot. That urine is loaded up with plenty of homemade ketones and nitrogen rich ammonia: It stinks to high heaven. And, because these little bloodsuckers are exposed to all kinds of disease given their diet, they've evolved considerable resistance to most common blood-borne pathogens; which means they make ideal vectors for everything from rabies to malaria. Interestingly, unlike others of their kind, vampire bats can virtually gallop across the land, moving almost as fast as a large rat ... Tricksy, sneaksy, little batsss.

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A hypothetical, terrestrial vampire bat of the future. How'd you like to have a pack of these guys on your tail?

Given the evolutionary chance, such an agile sanguinous creature might well discard flying like so many birds have, and become large flightless, terrestrial animals. How'd you like to come across a future population of bloodsuckers descended from vampire bats which have grown to the size of coyotes? Hanging in trees like pendulous black fruit by day, hunting for blood by night... Yikes! Now that's a Halloween nightmare I can relate to!

Because of recent fossil finds shedding light on the cetacean evolutionary tree, creationists have switched from using whales as an exemplar of Darwinian ignoratum, to using bats. If the goal is to confuse adoring fundie audiences while subconsciously playing on a repellent mythological sub-theme, bats are an excellent choice. The evolutionary origin of Chiroptera remains a topic of great interest and greater mystery. Adding to the confusion, there is reasonably good evidence, albeit controversial, that megabats and microbats developed flight independently of one another millions of years apart, but both from a recent common ancestral clade. Muddying that picture even further, it turns out that several species of what were previously called microbats actually descend from fruit bats.  



As pets, bats are not for everyone. They require special care and knowledge. And most folks perceive them as a tad revolting, such as this hanging microbat on the left. But not all bats are superficially unappealing. Center: An Australian flying fox warily shields her newly weaned pup from the intrusive camera-man. While "Spencer", the photogenic megabat hamming it up on the right, gets along fine with his human owners; he was permanently injured as a youngster and saved from certain death by a kind researcher

At first glance, bats most resemble pro-simian primates such as lemurs. But genetic analysis places them closer to shrews, hedgehogs, and moles. Another close relative, the colugo from southeast Asia, is the only candidate cousin which has wing surfaces: Colugos in fact have the best developed proto-wings of any mammal outside of bats themselves. But the exact origin of bats is murky. The most likely ancestor being something like a tree-shrew (Both shrews and moles are also thought to use echolocation, although neither clade has developed it to the degree found in some microbats). The fossil record so far has been of little help in clearing up the early phylogeny: The oldest bat pops up in the fossil record about 50 million years ago, in the Eocene Epoch. And is in the words of creationists, "fully formed".


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The earliest confirmed bat in the fossil record. The Microchiropteran Icaronycteris at 50 MYA already shows specialization of the auditory region of the skull, suggesting this bat could echolocate

Why the lack of transitional forms? Well, if we looked at bat evo the same way we look at dino-to-bird evo we could legitimately say we have loads of transitional forms just in small placental mammals such as shrews, rodents, or primitive insectivores. Early Chiropterans and their inferred ancestors would be fragile creatures, lightly built, which likely lived in forests and jungles where lots of predators and scavengers picked the remains clean. And the acidic soil discouraged fossilization. Moreover, given that birds were widespread and one of the most successful vertebrates on earth during the period in question, bat ancestors probably only took to flight in a geographically limited area further restricting the potential fossil record. Lastly, it's almost impossible to distinguish a mere gliding critter like a flying squirrel from a run of the mill non-glider using only fossil scraps: Soft tissue such as skin folds rarely preserves.

A couple of key morphological features which separate bats from mere gliders, and from birds for that matter, is the extension of the wing past the wrist and the ability to control those flying surfaces with great precision. Bats are incredibly maneuverable, rivaling the agility of a humming bird with the swiftness of a small hawk. Both the fine control and the extra extension is a product of the bat hand, four long fingers, which frames that portion of the lifting surface. These fingers were plausibly already quite powerful and dexterous if bats descend from climbers. Now greatly elongated and serving as framework for the wing, they activate the equivalent of ailerons, flaps, and elevator.  

And a recent genetic discovery indicates that bats may have evolved that specific wing anatomy relatively rapidly from a gliding/climbing mammal; relatively meaning over a few hundred thousand years or so as opposed to millions. A single gene which turns growth plates off and on in the finger bones is unusually plastic in bats. This would give the owners a huge degree of variability in the length of their finger bones. When applied to a creature with gliding membranes supported by outstretched limbs, that would be just the evolutionary engine needed to further refine their aerodynamic repertoire. (For a photo essay featuring this digit to wing development in fascinating detail inside mommy's batcave, see this post of bat fetal development; very much worth a quick look.)

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So here's a plausible thumbnail sketch of a hypothetical evolutionary lineage for bats, stipulating the two suborders did indeed acquire flight separately from the same ancestral family: Left, a tree-dwelling shrew-like critter develops keen hearing and rudimentary echolocation during the reign of the dinosaurs around 70 MYA and grows larger between 65 MYA and 60 MYA; after the K-T Boundary. Center: A descendent of the echolocating shrew develops folds of skin to aid in gliding, similar to the Colugo around 60 - 55 MYA. Right, the glider acquires the gene for finger bone plasticity and further extends and refines the wing giving rise to powered flight, and we have a microbat at 55 - 50 MYA, consistent with the fossil evidence. Then, 50 - 40 MYA a descendant of that same glider gives rise to a second clade which also develops flight producing the first mega or fruit bat. Both suborders of Chiroptera radiate into various eco-niches assuming a wide range of sizes confusing the phylogeny of micro Vs mega bats. Viola!

Is that how it happened? No one knows for sure, it's overly simplistic, and it raises a lot of other questions. But it's a reasonable starting point. It's consistent with what we do know or can reasonably infer.

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(In the interests of balance I'm honor bound--and likely soon to be legally required in several backassward states-- to present the competing creationist hypothesis)

Left: The Bat Kind, or Baramin, is created ex nihilo by a lightning bolt from an 'unknown' Intelligent Designer, as companions for another 'unknown' being, let's call that one Satan, roughly 6,000 years ago along with the earth, sun, and universe. Center: Some Bats get loose from Hell when Satan is preoccupied, date uncertain. Right: Bats are invited on a big boat to escape a magic flood about four or five thousand years ago. After landfall they subsequently micro evolve at a hitherto unheard of breakneck pace for three or four thousand years into one-thousand species: But only within the Bat Baramin of course. This hyper-evolution suddenly comes to a complete stop between one-thousand and five-hundred years ago, because humans start paying attention. Note: The bats are not pictured in the last illustration because it's daytime and they're sleeping. We can however confidently infer at least one breeding pair is onboard using inerrant Old Testament data.

All bats are either nocturnal or crepuscular--meaning they hunt and forage at night or in the twilight of dusk and dawn. Their vision ranges widely from good to poor depending on species, they're not blind contrary to what many believe. Echolocating bats have refined their acoustical 'sight' to an amazing degree. The common microbat can pluck a struggling gnat from a spider web without becoming entangled, or detect a hair floating on the surface of a rippling pond, using sound alone!  We cannot be certain how a bat 'sees' the world. But the auditory data is probably processed by the visual cortex, providing in all likelihood an acoustically enhanced overlay of traditional vision: Bats can peer through objects using the biological equivalent of ultrasound! Fruit bats, which lack the highly developed sense of echolocation, depend on their keen hearing, smell, and eyesight.

Because of their nocturnal predilections, even completely harmless bats are understandably associated with all manner of dark foreboding mythical creatures and folk legends. Some Native Americans cultures considered the bat a trickster spirit, a sort of anti-eagle. Medieval societies associated them with plague, decay, witchcraft, and death; which incidentally may stem from the bats descending on just such afflicted communities to gobble up the hordes of flies and other insects arising from piles of corpses. Literary works include The Legend of Dracula in which the vampiric immortal could shape shift into a giant bat-like creature. In our modern times we have batman, batwoman, and Kenneth Oppel's Silverwing Series, just to name a few. The familiar bat silhouette adorns Halloween products, sports team icons, and various genres of rock and roll. Bats are sometimes good, but usually portrayed as a dark evil portent.

Bats are often said to carry rabies in some unusual concentration. But aside from the aforementioned vampire bats, even in areas where rabies is common only perhaps half of one percent are infected. They have the good sense to be wary of people, hey they're not stupid. Indeed; many bat owners claim their unconventional pets are as smart as a cat or a dog. You are thousands of times more likely to contract a dangerous disease from a mosquito or other insect pest, the preferred prey of many bats, as you are from bats themselves.

Usually, only bats suffering from debilitating illness or brain trauma will make an appearance in a well lit area amid the hustle and bustle of human society. There the poor creature will often flail around wildly and clumsily in the grip of fatal delirium, giving rise to our erroneous perception that all these animals are demented; at best confused, at worst wickedly insane. Thus we talk of someone gone batty, who has bats in the belfry, and is therefore batshit crazy.

But Chiroptera are not crazy, or even particularly dangerous: They simply do not deserve their reputation as evil or threatening; quite the opposite in fact. They're mostly small, the majority of common species weigh only a few ounces, and they consume prodigious quantities of insects, especially relishing flies and mosquitos, thus protecting our crops, our livestock, and ourselves. They are shy, perfectly happy to avoid the limelight, and stay clear of people, choosing to silently go about their business when we are asleep. We rarely even notice them, unless we're specifically looking. Bats are a splendid living laboratory of evolutionary biology: They remain the only naturalized mammalian ambassador to the sky.

           

[Enlarge Photo] Every evening from March to early November, 1.5 million Mexican free-tailed bats emerge from their roosts under the Congress Avenue Bridge in Austin, Texas. The exodus lasts for a full hour. Learn more about this amazing phenomena and the creatures behind it by clicking here.

There really are few vertebrate creatures more useful to our basic interests and less visible in our everyday lives, than these winged creatures of the night. Even the revolting vampire species have given us hints for amazing new drugs.

Back to Jocko, the damned soul cursed to wander the night for all eternity surrounded by flying demons. This ghost story scared the shit out of me, in a delicious way, when I was young. I'd duck under the blanket from time to time, you know, to stay 'safe', during the telling of the more frightening parts. It probably didn't help that older kids would cloak themselves in a blanket pretending to be giant bats and come after us youngsters hissing and moaning ... "Jockoooo, wheeere'sss Jockooo ..." I'll probably be working that one out in therapy at some point.

                                   

Anyway, my childhood tormentors may have been adding the part about bats to elicit screams of terror from me as a sadistic counterpoint harmony for their peals of laughter. Most forms of the actual Irish folk story do not include the bat portion. But in every version Jocko, sometimes called Jack or Jacko, has to find his way back out of the dark realm of the netherworld, his nocturnal haunts forever lit only by Satan's gift of the burning coal. Unwilling to carry the fiery ember in his hand, he places it in an old, hollowed out turnip he happened to have with him forming a sort of ad hoc lantern. The turnip was eventually replaced with a winter gourd, or a pumpkin, with holes carved in the sides to allow the light out. And that of course is how the modern Jack-o'-lantern, along with the colors of fiery orange and black night, became a symbol of lost souls and the one time they can roam freely every year; All Hallows Eve.

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  •  DarkSyde (4.00 / 3)

    is really Batman.

    Awesome diary, DS!


    Blind faith in your leaders, or in anything, will get you killed. -- Bruce Springsteen

    by Plutonium Page on Fri Oct 07, 2005 at 04:46:21 AM PDT

  •  You left out one important evolved form (none / 1)

    The Bat-Man

    (Sorry, couldn't help myself)

    Great diary as always.

    "I just had the basic view of the American public -- it can't be that bad out there." Marine Travis Williams after 11 members of his squad were killed.

    by Steven D on Fri Oct 07, 2005 at 04:46:28 AM PDT

  •  You omitted the Flying Spaghetti Monster hypothesi (none / 1)

    s, otherwise outstanding!
  •  I only believe (4.00 / 4)

    the part about Satan. Everything else is just a theory... ;-)

    "My own mind is my own church." Tom Paine

    by Snoutboy on Fri Oct 07, 2005 at 04:50:26 AM PDT

  •  How could you forget... (4.00 / 5)

    The goal is not to bring your adversaries to their knees but to their senses. -- Mahatma Gandhi

    by kingubu on Fri Oct 07, 2005 at 05:27:38 AM PDT

    •  Batboy (4.00 / 2)

      The "discoverer" of Batboy, Leskie J. Pinson, died recently after a lengthy bout with cancer.

      As editor of the Weekly World News, a newspaper with higher credibility than The New York Times, Pinson wrote of Batboy's exploits and other stories with a wonderful sense of humor and flair.

      In the obit, it described Pinson as a man who could not drive past lost dogs without stopping to help them. It also he authored the popular desk calendar "Dads: Funny and True Tales of Fatherhood," after being diagnosed with colon cancer in July 2003.

      I posted about his life on my blog, The Mystery of the Haunted Vampire..

      Check out the transcript from On The Media where Pinson talked about Batboy with tongue firmly planted in cheek:

      BILL SLOAN: I think that the people at, at Weekly World News are really excited about this because even though Bat Boy [sic] is a made up character, it still lends an aura of respectability to the paper.
      MAN: Bat Boy is not made up, according to Weekly World News managing editor Leskie Pinson.
      LESKIE PINSON: Why would we want to do that? The verisimilitude of 47 pages would be thrown away if we tried to run some kind of a crazy phony story on one page, so it's not worth it for us.
      BILL SLOAN: I know that's not true. I know that Bat Boy is a creation.
      MAN: Cynics like Bill Sloan don't rattle Pinson. He insists that his paper's coverage of Bat Boy is very real and very expensive!
      LESKIE PINSON: You know we're a little bit different than some news organizations. They say they never pay for their stories. "We would never pay for a story!" some of 'em say. We know, but hey -- when it's a big special like the space alien shaking hands with the presidential candidate or the Bat with Al Gore, we're not afraid to go sometimes 6 figures, maybe 8 figures if you count both sides of the decimal point for a photograph like that.

      "...6 figures, maybe 8 figures if you count both sides of the decimal point...."

      I can only dream of making up lines that funny.

      His widow found my blog posts about her husband through google. She sent me a lovely email that I saved.

      All I can say is, Batboy is still out there some where, mourning the man who helped bring him to life.

      There is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact. S. Holmes

      by Carnacki on Fri Oct 07, 2005 at 11:34:39 AM PDT

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      •  A great loss, indeed... (none / 1)

        In my 20s, I used to get a lot of sideways glances from certain intellectually puckered friends and cow-orkers for being a regular Weekly World News reader. It was just so damn funny, though. I finally stopped trying to convince them that the humor and absurdity were intentional and began to feign credulity, "What do you mean the face of Satan can't appear in a volcanic plume?? There's a picture right here that proves it!" Ah, youth...

        Sad to hear that the Bat Boy's creator passed on. He was indeed a comic master.

        The goal is not to bring your adversaries to their knees but to their senses. -- Mahatma Gandhi

        by kingubu on Fri Oct 07, 2005 at 03:30:16 PM PDT

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  •  If they indeed evolved... (none / 1)

    with such extraordinary rapidity (hundreds of thousands versus millions of years), that would seem likely to be another factor in the paucity of transitional fossils. IMHO

    Alito. Kennedy. Roberts. Scalia. Thomas.
    More important than ever: ERA NOW!

    by greeseyparrot on Fri Oct 07, 2005 at 05:30:19 AM PDT

  •  Bathouse Advice (none / 1)

    I've been wanting to set up a bat house, due to the recurrent risks of West Nile and EEE here. What guidlines are there for placing the little domicile as far as height, directional facing, etc.  I'd think that they'd roast on the west side of the house. Hell, I won't stand next to the outside west wall of my house in the summer afternoon if I don't have to.

    FREEDOM AND JUSTICE FOR ALL!* some restrictions apply. See Patriot Act for details.

    by Rat on Fri Oct 07, 2005 at 05:58:25 AM PDT

    •  Northside of house (none / 1)

      Away from lights would be my advice.
    •  Shaded during the day, then evening sun (4.00 / 3)

      Definitely keep them in the shade during the day, then have the roosting area exposed to the West so that they can warm up with the setting sun.  We have experimented with placing our bat houses in different places, they like to be on trees for the day time shade.

      Scatter the houses around so that they will survive predators.  Simple boxes with 1/2 to 3/8" space between rough-sawn boards work fine.  Include top and bottom ventilation.

      •  Awesome! (none / 0)

        Thanks for the advice!  I've been meaning to set up a couple of bat houses too.  We used to have bats flying overhead on summer evenings, and hardly any mosquitos to speak of, until they built a new development behind us.  Now, no bats, plenty of mosquitos.  It may be too late, but I'm hoping if we build it, they'll come back.

        It's as if we had gone to war with starfish, and decided the way to win was slice off their arms and toss them back into the ocean. - Devilstower

        by Austin in PA on Fri Oct 07, 2005 at 07:06:22 AM PDT

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        •  We had a bat house about 20 feet up (none / 0)

          On the side of a sequoia in our front yard.  Never had any bats, but after about three years the woodpeckers had made mincemeat out of the bat house.

          I think they liked the drum-like sound it made when they hammered at it.  Probably made them seem more macho during mating season, I suppose.

      •  South Florida here (none / 0)

        It's more a matter of "not cooking them in the long afternoon sun" than "warming them up," I'm afraid. I guess I'll have to experiment with placement that still hides it from the fascist homeowner association.

        FREEDOM AND JUSTICE FOR ALL!* some restrictions apply. See Patriot Act for details.

        by Rat on Fri Oct 07, 2005 at 07:27:09 AM PDT

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        •  Speaking of South Florida (none / 0)

          Should I build one a certain size? (I don't have $100+ to buy one of those at batcon.org.) The ones I've seen around here don't get close enough or sit still for me to figure out how big they are.

          Should I ask my county extension office?

          FREEDOM AND JUSTICE FOR ALL!* some restrictions apply. See Patriot Act for details.

          by Rat on Fri Oct 07, 2005 at 07:37:32 AM PDT

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    •  A bat house (none / 1)

      is a great idea to help support these fascinating creatures.  I've typically read that the recommended minimum height for a bat house is for the bottom of the house to 12 feet above the ground--15 feet is better.  Doing some research at Bat Consevation International is a good way to find what color and configuration is best for your area (bats like it warm).  They're in Austin and have a great bat house project.

      I put up my first bat house just outside Austin this July.  Still no bats, but it sometimes takes a while for them to find a new house.

      •  put some bat dirt in or near the new house (none / 0)

        Since we already had some bats inside a shed, we built bathouses and moved them out.  Starting with old boards helps, we also added some bat dirt near the new houses.  In any case, they moved in within a  few weeks.

        They like 8 to 12 feet up, we just put them where we can reach with an 8' ladder.

        •  Batshit is fantastic stuff, (none / 0)

          and it really helps lure bats - I bought mine from the bat lovers' group here near San Antonio for my antique roses.  Then I put up a bat house about 15 feet up in a big wide-spreading oak over those roses, facing, actually, south.  It wasn't until I put in a fountain that the bats came, though.  I guess we have about 50 during the summer months.  It is amazing how many fit in the houses.

          Bats live all over this area under bridges, in caves, etc - enough to harvest and sell the guano.  I do take care and not inhale the fine, powdery stuff, and use disposeable gloves when I handle it.

          I first met bats at Woodhaven Girl Scout camp in 1960.  I had a terrible case of poison oak and couldn't go on the overnight hike with my group, so I spent the night with the nurse and the day in the open air dining hall, reading Nancy Drew.  I bumped against the huge bulletin board on the one wall, and out came a bunch of bats who I had disturbed.  They were so tiny and so unhappy with me, I felt terrible, and sort of guarded that dang bulletin board the rest of the time I was at camp, not telling a soul they were there.

    •  I have read (none / 0)

      to stay away from commercially available bat houses that can be found in some nurseries and bird food stores.  Apparently they are not wide enough...

      Stop violence against women!

      by AndyT on Fri Oct 07, 2005 at 07:23:31 AM PDT

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    •  What? (none / 0)

      You want to HARBOR these scary little sonsabitches?  What part of

      They ghoulishly feed on livestock, wild animals, or us by first depositing a little topical anesthetic to deaden the skin before chewing a small hole in it. The bat then laps the blood up, consuming their own body weight in sweet claret, while releasing an anticoagulant in the saliva fittingly called Draculin, until they can hold no more. In order to take flight with all that added mass they must urinate generously on the spot. That urine is loaded up with plenty of homemade ketones and nitrogen rich ammonia: It stinks to high heaven. And, because these little bloodsuckers are exposed to all kinds of disease given their diet, they've evolved considerable resistance to most common blood-borne pathogens; which means they make ideal vectors for everything from rabies to malaria. Interestingly, unlike others of their kind, vampire bats can virtually gallop across the land, moving almost as fast as a large rat ... Tricksy, sneaksy, little batsss.

      did you not understand?  :)

  •  I remember in my spelunking days (4.00 / 4)

    My girlfriend and I had our first "geology" outing many years ago crawling for a few hours through a relatively small, privately-owned cave in southern Indiana.  

    I remember one stretch where we were scooting along in a low passage -- maybe two feet high -- and were marveling at the pink dolomite crystals on the roof, when the lead member of our group spoke out: "Bats!"

    As we passed the point where he said that, we could see 10 to 15 little dark brown bundles clutching to the roof, about 10 inches from our noses.

    We didn't bother them.

    And they didn't bother us.

    That she went out with me after that, and eventually became my wife of 24 years, still amazes me to that day.

  •  Oh Yea! (none / 1)

    Another great one! I sure do love reading these. As an Austin-ite I do like bats. A dusk trip to the bat bridge is a must for anybody in town. There's usually hundreds of people waiting by the bridge for the bats to leave on any given Summer night.
    •  Downtown (none / 0)

      And the one thing that always fascinates visitors to Austin who see the bats is that the Congress Avenue bridge where these bats roost is right in the middle of downtown Austin.  It's within walking distance of the State Capital.  If you come to Austin in the summertime, it's an easy must-see before you go out on the town.

      Chairman Conyers, you may call your first witness.

      by rabel on Fri Oct 07, 2005 at 10:54:27 AM PDT

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  •  But I'm confused (4.00 / 3)

    am I supposed to make some kind of donation, here;you've put up a helluva lot of bats!

    Thanks for putting a lot of effort into the one of the most informative diaries I've read since I've been here.

    A big reccomend.

    Al Qeada is a faith-based initiative.

    by drewfromct on Fri Oct 07, 2005 at 06:35:11 AM PDT

  •  OT but worthwhile request (none / 0)

    Can you do a piece about Lysenko-ism and it's paralells to science in America today?

    See you at the debate, bitches!

    by calipygian on Fri Oct 07, 2005 at 06:37:11 AM PDT

  •  Craziest in June and August, right? (none / 1)

    I once lived in an old house in Connecticut that had bats.  Sometimes in June (mating season) or August (season for bearing young) one or two would end up in the house, usually at night, usually with wildly comic stumbling-around-in-the-dark-not-quite-sure-what-to-do effect.  At those times I never thought it was the bats that were crazy; I was pretty sure it was me.
  •  oooh, batty-bats (4.00 / 2)

    We get them all the time in my apt.

    It's 150-year-old loft in the Old Port area of Montreal. There are tons of them in the summer evnings and they sometimes come in the windows (which have no screens). I still remember the first time, coming home late one night, drunk, and all the lights out. The 2 cats were swarming us to be fed and as i stepped forward to turn on a light i glanced towards the front windows and saw something sillohetted as it flew in front of them. As it circled around i was amazed that the cats weren't going completely apeshit (the light being on now and so the bat clearly visible). While i tried to snare it in my shirt the cats were in the kitchen wailing and howling by their dishes. Of course, they'd probably spent a few hours eyeing it but realised that an easier way of getting dinner had finally come home. Anyway, it was very amusing at the time.

    All of our bats have been carefully and safely helped outside, btw.

    Thanks DarkSyde! Another excellent diary. I can't wait to see your Fall schedule.

    "They're telling us something we don't understand"
    General Charles de Gaulle, Mai '68

    by subtropolis on Fri Oct 07, 2005 at 07:06:32 AM PDT

    •  bats and cats (none / 0)

      My sister and brother-in-law once lived in a house that was, for whatever reason, not bat-resistant.  Every once in a while, one would get in.

      Their insane ex-farm cat, "Fluffy" (I am not making this up!) would catch them on the wing.  Fluffy also used to walk along their shelves, and seemed to have a knack for throwing only the most breakable objects on them to the floor, and also regularly attacked my younger niece when she returned home from school.

      Interesting cat...

      •  catching them on the wing (none / 0)

        I think the thing that saves them here is the really high ceiling so the bats have a lot of room to fly around. We also had one sleeping in one of the hanging plants. So far the cats have never grabbed any of them.

        Bats (the ones around here) are incredibly adept at sneaking into the smallest places. I don't know if all of the bats we get are coming in through the windows. There was one time when we hadn't had them open for a while and there are plenty of mysterious gaps in the ceilings and walls.

        "They're telling us something we don't understand"
        General Charles de Gaulle, Mai '68

        by subtropolis on Fri Oct 07, 2005 at 01:52:42 PM PDT

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  •  Keep on spinning! (none / 0)

    Excellent post DS. Entertaining, informative and well written. The only question now is, are you grown up enough for Granny Goose?

    Somebody PLEASE K.O. this Administration!

    by onp67 on Fri Oct 07, 2005 at 07:14:14 AM PDT

  •  Great Diary DarkSyde! (none / 1)

    I only wish you had mentioned how many insects bats consume. Not only are they misunderstood, they are a highly desirable animal to have; their consumtion of insects is very helpful. Especially in areas affected by West Nile Virus.

    Stop violence against women!

    by AndyT on Fri Oct 07, 2005 at 07:25:35 AM PDT

  •  bats rule!.. support BCI (none / 0)

    I strongly urge folks to support Bat Conservation International, which has (almost singlehandedly) been responsible for a complete turnaround in public attitudes to bats.

    They are always looking for smart effective ways to save bats and build wonderful partnerships with private/state/federal governments:  their bat/mine entrance project and bat/bridge projects are just two fabulous examples

    http://www.batcon.org/projects/index.html

    Of all conservation organizations, they are one of the few that can point to specific, positive results

    And they have cute bats, too...
    http://www.batcon.org/bcibats/index.html

  •  Thought this had something to do with Rove (none / 1)

    And all the other bat-shit crazies ruining our country.
  •  In China, bats aren't seen as spooky. (none / 0)

    They're symbols of good luck.

    I'm not sure what that tells us. Probably that a language filled with homonyms strongly encourages people to think of words that sound alike as having some sort of meaning in common. And that language is overridingly important to humans.

    Folly is fractal: the closer you look at it, the more of it there is.

    by Canadian Reader on Fri Oct 07, 2005 at 07:58:27 AM PDT

  •  Bat houses and recycling (none / 0)

    I am always looking for interesting items to make from recycled redwood fencing.  Looks like a bat house is an ideal thing to make from this wonderful resource that often ends up in landfills.

    They have a program to get your products certified which is also very cool!

    Thanks for the great post!

    Want to watch Republican economic theories in action? Look at Iraq.

    by Michaelpb on Fri Oct 07, 2005 at 08:37:03 AM PDT

  •  Children of the night (none / 0)

    How sweetly they sing.

    You can have 'em.

  •  Fabulous (none / 0)

    I so enjoy Fridays. Thanks.

    "Science is a differential equation. Religion is a boundary condition." -- Alan Turing

    by Hibernian on Fri Oct 07, 2005 at 08:43:38 AM PDT

  •  battastic as usual (none / 0)

    R for Reverse, D for Drive

    by leftwords on Fri Oct 07, 2005 at 08:53:51 AM PDT

  •  Very informative! (none / 0)

    I've always liked animals that other don't.

    I sort of take the Baudelaire approach to life...finding beauty in what others would call ugliness.

    So, I tend to like the animals that others don't because of bad reputations. Bats are definitely in that category...so are many snakes...and possoms, etc. etc.

    That doesn't mean I think I'd be a very good mom to a bat....I doubt I would. But they sure do eat a lot of mosquitos...and there's nothing ugly about that!

    Halloween is also my favorite holiday...so bats are usually a part of that celebration!

  •  Flying Dogs (none / 0)

    The most impressive bat colony I have ever seen was one of fruit bats on the Indonesian island of Sulawesi. The guide had been showing us traditional architecture in the villages all day, and then announced toward the end, in English, "now we will see the flying dogs." And I thought, WTF? So I asked him in bahasa Indonesia, what he meant, and he said "anjing terbang." Literally, the workd for fruit bats (what we call, generally, "flying foxes"), is "flying dog."

    And they were impressive, and huge, and really, really loud, thousands of them in a single huge tree. And if you imagine it, they do look a bit like chihuahuas with wings.

  •  Carlsbad Caverns (none / 0)

    One of the coolest things about visiting the Carlsbad Caverns in New Mexico is the nightly exit of bats from the caverns.  

    Flying into the night by the thousands (millions?) the sight and the sound (not to mention the smell) is awesome.  

    If you go to the Caverns, remember to spend the night and plan to experience this wonderful nightly event Nature has in store for you!  The park includes an amphitheatre-like strucure where you can sit, visit and listen to the bat-lecture...good bat paraphenalia (sp? =stuff) in the gift shop, too.

    Enjoy!

    Support the Netroots Candidates! A VETO-PROOF majority in 2008!!!

    by InquisitiveRaven on Fri Oct 07, 2005 at 09:04:32 AM PDT

  •  Verrry Scaaarrryyyy!!! (none / 0)

    That was my Count Floyd impression.

    2 thoughts. What about the recent discoveries of bats being the vector for SARS. That should go in the section about their ability to withstand diseases and act as carriers.

    Also I hope you are planning something on the recent theories regarding the extinction of the large mammals by bombardment from a nearby Supernova. I'm sure you would amplify the content in many illuminating ways. Thanks for another great Science Friday.

  •  Hold on! (none / 0)

    That future vampire bat, I've got one of those!  All this time I thought she was a scangly old alley cat I found.  That explains why her "kitty biscuits" hurt so damn much.  Those aren't biscuits!  

    No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices. - Edward R. Murrow

    by CrazyHorse on Fri Oct 07, 2005 at 09:14:11 AM PDT

  •  Flying wallet (none / 0)

    One evening I grabbed my old Harris tweed coat & a leathery object flew out of the  sleeve.
       My city friends ducked & cringed.
       I gave them colanders to protect their heads.
       A couple of my cats perfected the art of bat
    snatching while leaping 5'.

       On the subject of drumming woodpeckers:
    I live near some huge, hollow redwood snags.
    A few of my neighbors are Pileated woodpeckers...
    tall as framing hammers.

  •  Bats! (none / 0)

    I like bats. Fascinating critters.

    There's a certain time in the evening, right about dusk, when we can see the bats leaving the trees behind my parents' house. They have a very distinctive and somewhat erratic, jerky-looking flying pattern, so they're easy to distinguish from birds.

    I love Science Fridays... :-)  

  •  Another excellent entry (none / 0)

    DarkSyde, to be e-mailed to Eldest Son's science teacher.

    I discovered we had bats in our neighborhood this summer -- first time I'd seen them.  And we had a lot fewer mosquitos and flies around this year.  A bat house is planned within the next year or two.

    The time for action is past. Now is the time for senseless bickering -- My T-Shirt

    by Frankenoid on Fri Oct 07, 2005 at 09:30:11 AM PDT

  •  Catholic Church says Bible not exact!!! (none / 0)

    Catholic Church no longer swears by truth of the Bible - says it may be scientifically innacurate

      Catholic Church no longer swears by truth of the Bible - says it may be scientifically innacurate

    Wow, how did THAT get past Ratzinger ?? Maybe I'll stick with my Catholic Church after all... -- law

    Catholic Church no longer swears by truth of the Bible
    By Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent

    THE hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church has published a teaching document instructing the faithful that some parts of the Bible are not actually true.

    The Catholic bishops of England, Wales and Scotland are warning their five million worshippers, as well as any others drawn to the study of scripture, that they should not expect "total accuracy" from the Bible.

    The Permanent Republican Majority lasted about as long as The Thousand Year Reich

    by lawnorder on Fri Oct 07, 2005 at 09:46:07 AM PDT

  •  Your diaries (none / 0)

    are something I really look forward to.

    And bats...some of my favorite creatures...very enjoyable read...thanks!

    Fear is the mind killer

    by trinityfly on Fri Oct 07, 2005 at 09:52:46 AM PDT

  •  hahaha (none / 0)

    Left: The Bat Kind, or Baramin, is created ex nihilo by a lightning bolt from an 'unknown' Intelligent Designer, as companions for another 'unknown' being, let's call that one Satan, roughly 6,000 years ago along with the earth, sun, and universe. Center: Some Bats get loose from Hell when Satan is preoccupied, date uncertain. Right: Bats are invited on a big boat to escape a magic flood about four or five thousand years ago. After landfall they subsequently micro evolve at a hitherto unheard of breakneck pace for three or four thousand years into one-thousand species: But only within the Bat Baramin of course. This hyper-evolution suddenly comes to a complete stop between one-thousand and five-hundred years ago, because humans start paying attention. Note: The bats are not pictured in the last illustration because it's daytime and they're sleeping. We can however confidently infer at least one breeding pair is onboard using inerrant Old Testament data.

    LOL...ROFLOL...great stuff DS! :)

  •  Darwin versus the Mummy (none / 0)

    Daily Kos: Darwin's Evolution vs Pedro the Mountain Mummy

    The mummy
        He was found in 1932 by 2 gold prospectors sitting cross-legged on a ledge in a small cave in a granite mountain 60 miles southwest of Casper, Wyoming. His hands were folded in his lap, in the timeless attitude of a Buddha. He appeared to be middle-aged. His skin was brown and wrinkled, his nose flat, the forehead low, the mouth broad and thin-lipped. And he was 14 inches tall

    The legend
        Adding to the Pedro Mountain Mummy enigma is the fact that he is proportioned much more like an adult than an infant. If Pedro was an adult at the time of his death it could mean he was one of the "little people" -- a mythical tribe of savage pygmies who haunted Wyoming's mountains, according to Arapaho and Shoshone tales...

    Bibleland vs Darwin
    The mummy vanished in 1950. On February 2005 Bibleland's owner offered $10,000 for the mummy. Why ? Read their homepage:

        At Bibleland Studios, we believe the truth of man's origins can be found written in the book of Genesis.. We believe that 6,000 years ago we were created by God..

    The attack on Darwin
    The mummy would be a "fossil proof" of that legend.. A fossil that, according to Bibleland,  didn't fit in Darwin's Evolution "Theory"..

    The lie: Small humans don't belong in Darwin's evolution tree
    Bibleland's insinuated that Dr. Shapiro's identification of the mummy as an infant was to avoid the job of placing him in an evolutionary family tree that has little room for such a creature Well, as a matter of fact researchers HAVE discovered small humanoids and HAVE placed them under the "evolutionary family tree" with little fuss. Bert Roberts an anthropologist at the University of Wollongong in New South Wales, Australia is the co-author of a study about the find of 3ft tall hominids published in the journal "Nature." on 2004
    http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=198867&page=1

    The Permanent Republican Majority lasted about as long as The Thousand Year Reich

    by lawnorder on Fri Oct 07, 2005 at 10:17:44 AM PDT

  •  DarkSyde (none / 1)

    Please compile all of these wonderful essays into a book (with illustrations, if it's not too much trouble to license them).  I print and save these things, but they deserve a more elegant presentation.  What a wonderful writer you are.

    BTW I love bats.  I think they're exquisite.

    "The survival value of intelligence is that it allows us to extinct a bad idea, before the idea extincts us." -- Karl Popper

    by eyeswideopen on Fri Oct 07, 2005 at 10:30:49 AM PDT

  •  A Whole Bat Diary on dKos... (none / 0)

    ...and no mention of moonbats?

    This nicely summarizes what's wrong with American political life today. (Source)

    by GreenSooner on Fri Oct 07, 2005 at 10:33:51 AM PDT

  •  Fascinating! (none / 0)

    Thanks! enjoyed reading this very much... I am a Draculaphile and very interested in bats... you had lots of facts I have never run across before.

    Very "fair & balanced" of you to give the ID people equal time... interesting contrast!

  •  I am bats about bats (none / 0)

    All kinds of bats.
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    Louisville Slugger Museum

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    Giant Bat Attacks Building!

  •  I would posit that... (none / 0)

    Bats developed superior echolocation as a result of being able to fly and think there probably was a period where they were gliders first, as you suggest. Let's face it, a shrew doesn't need excellent echoloaction to avoid flying into objects and breaking it's neck. It would seem to me that when they first took to the air, the ones that didn't have a responsive/accurate echolocation capability didn't fare very well.

    Great diary!

    The sleep of reason produces monsters.

    by Alumbrados on Fri Oct 07, 2005 at 11:12:38 AM PDT

  •  I took this pic in Honduras (none / 0)


    I used to stand in the middle of them at dusk and dawn trying to test the myth that bats get tangled in your hair. They don't but they occasionally collide with each other and squeak.

    Highly Scientific Experiments Inc ;)

    Great work as always DarkSyde.

    Avoiding Theocracy at Home and Neo Cons Abroad

    by UniC on Fri Oct 07, 2005 at 11:44:43 AM PDT

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