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The DCCC doesn't care what we think

Mon Nov 14, 2005 at 08:34:41 AM PDT

I wasn't sure that we could post information about a single Congressional candidate, but I see that Kos has done it, and even seems to approve of the possible candidacy of someone in the Illinois Sixth, disabled Iraq Veteran Tammy Duckworth, someone many of us would prefer to see run in another district.  DCCC head Rahm Emanuel is asking Duckworth to run, according to Lynn Sweet's current column in the Chicago Sun-Times.

So I guess I can ask you to consider the injustice being done to the woman who came awfully close to beating Henry Hyde in that district in 2004, Christine Cegelis.  The DCCC refused to help Christine.  They didn't believe she could come anywhere close to winning the district.  But with a budget of only $100,000, Christine got 44% OF THE VOTE against HENRY HYDE.  Instead of thanking Christine and asking her how the DCCC can help her this time around, Emanuel has tried consistently to get someone to run against Christine.

Below is a message I've been sending out to my mailing lists, and I hope you will consider doing the same.  It's just not right how the party is treating Christine.

Have you no sense of loyalty, DCCC?

The DCCC is after Christine Cegelis again.

A couple of months ago, I posted and sent to my mailing lists some information about Christine, including the fact that the DCCC was trying to recruit a millionaire for her district, the Illinois 6th.  Never mind that Christine got 44% of the vote AGAINST HENRY HYDE, for God's sake, in 2004.  And with a budget of only $100,000.  The reason for the paltry budget is that she apparently had NO HELP AT ALL from the DCCC or the national party.  They didn't think any Democrat could come so close to winning in that district, so why waste the money?

Christine's success against Hyde may have played a large part in his decision to retire.  And the DCCC expressed its gratitude, not by backing her this time around, but by trying to recruit a "self funder" to run against her in a Democratic primary, meaning someone with a lot of personal wealth.  I, for one, don't want more millionaires in Congress.  I want fewer of them.  They have no idea what most of us have to deal with, living day to day and month to month.

So the DCCC told Christine to raise $150,000.  She raised $160,000.  But now THAT'S not enough, either!  Look at this, from The Hill, published a few days ago:

Democrats are urgently seeking an alternative candidate to Christine Cegelis (D) in Illinois's 6th District, as worries mount that Cegelis doesn't have the money to beat state Sen. Peter Roskam (R) in 2006.

Instead of helping Christine, the DCCC is trying to undermine her.  Again.  Never mind that the Democratic organizations in the district support Christine.  She's been campaigning with them for more than two years.  Never mind that she did what was asked of her.  So what is this REALLY about?  In discussing a potential Democratic rival for Christine, Hotline has this to say, "if she [the rival] runs on a centrist/pro-business economic platform without being reflexively anti-war -- this has the potential to be an interesting candidacy." (Thanks to David Sirota for this tip.)

Do YOU think the only platform that can make for an interesting Democratic candidacy is one that is centrist, pro-business, and not "reflexively" anti-war?

What is "centrist", anyway?  I keep saying that 60 to 80% of Americans agree with us progressives on the most important issues--the ones that affect our liveliehoods.  That makes US the centrists.  BY DEFINITION.
As to the war in Iraq, those of us who are against the war are in the majority now.  Not only that, 57% of Americans believe George Bush misled us to promote his war  It seems to me that anyone who is reflexively NOT anti-war is the one who is out of the mainstream.  Bush and the Republican Party are in serious trouble, and Christine is a candidate who will not hesitate to criticize their anti-ordinary person agenda.  We need more people like Christine in Congress.

I don't work for the Cegelis campaign, but I HATE what's being done to Christine.  If you hate it, too, then please do three things:

  1.  Write a message to Rahm Emanuel (dccc@dccc.org) to tell him what you think of this disloyalty.  Be polite, please, so that your message will have a better chance of being read.  You can also call: 202-863-1500.  If we want to make the Democratic Party democratic, we're going to have to bury them in messages, telling them what we want and what we don't want.

  2.  Contribute to Christine Cegelis' campaign.  If we want to make the Democratic Party democratic, we're going to have to pony up for the candidates we like, and not leave the field to the millionaire "self funders".

  3. Pass this information on to other like-minded folks.
Who runs this party, anyway?

Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com

Tags: dccc, rahm emanuel, IL-06, christine cegelis, tammy duckworth (all tags) :: Previous Tag Versions

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  •  primary (none / 0)

    Cegelis has the name recogntion. Now she needs to raise more money.

    She can win a primary against Duckworth if she has the funds.

  •  Who runs this party, anyway? (none / 1)

    Republicans.

    Next question?  Go ahead, Jeff.

    Angie and Bill: Colorado's bright future!

    by ubikkibu on Mon Nov 14, 2005 at 08:36:23 AM PDT

  •  loyalty (4.00 / 2)

    I admire Christine Cegelis like crazy for what she did against Hyde last year, but we're trying to retake the House. If she's not the best candidate, then loyalty doesn't make sense. And fundraising does matter, not only in terms of ad buys and all that, but as a sign of legitimacy. If she can't really tap the donors in the area, and someone else can do a better job of it, then doesnt that say something about her candidacy?

    If she is the better candidate, then she should win the primary, and emerge from this stronger, and with proof that she's more legitimate.

    I want to win. You want to beat him, and that's a problem for me, because I want to win. -The West Wing

    by AnnArborBlue on Mon Nov 14, 2005 at 08:37:53 AM PDT

    •  The great paradox (none / 0)

      People around here want us to compete in every district, but they don't want us to be competitive in the districts that matter.
    •  I hear this argument a great deal (none / 0)

      "If she can't tap the donors in the area..."

      First, how do you tap donors when the DCCC is actively undermining your campaign by telling every Democrat within earshot that they are shopping for other candidates? How do you raise funds when everyone wants to sit it out and see who Rahm is going to push? Cegelis has had over 1,200 individual donors so far, more than 3-times the number of donors Roskam has. Her cash on hand and burn rate are similar in comparison to the DNC's burn rate and cash on hand disadvantage to the RNC. Even Sweet calls Rahm on what he's doing:

      Rep. Rahm Emanuel, who chairs the House Democratic political operation, is recruiting Hoffman Estates resident Army Maj. Ladda "Tammy" Duckworth, who lost her legs in Iraq, to run for Congress, undermining a bid by Democrat Christine Cegelis.

      Rahm is recruiting someone to undermine Cegelis. Could that not be clearer?

      Second, what makes a pre-packaged 'war hero' candidate a better candidate? In Sweet's article this potential candidate's views on the war were as follows:

      It's unclear what Duckworth would say about the Iraq war. When I asked her, she would not declare the war right or wrong: "There is good and bad in everything."

      That sure is inspiring. I nice middle of the road vanilla non-answer. With the support for the war falling fast, and DuPage having an active and organized anti-war effort, this type of talk is going to lose the Independents and Democratic base needed to win the district. This is a better candidate?

      So over 2,000 dead US men and women, 15,000 plus injured, tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians killed, $200+ billion dollars drained from domestic programs, and the very real possiblity that the war is based on trumped up intellegence cherry picked by Bush and his Republican administration - and there's good in this?

      Come one.  See this for what this is: Rahm is looking for a DLC type "hawk" to reinforce the GOP stereotype that Dems are weak on defense.

      •  Michael, some questions for background. (none / 0)

        When is the primary?

        What has Christine raised as of last filing period?  COH total?

        How is the Repub doing re: money?

         

        •  Here's a post I did on the Q3 numbers (none / 0)

          Numbers for all candidates.

          Roskam is raising money at a quick pace. This is largely due to his total backing from the state and national GOP, and large ticket DC fundraisers being thrown for him by none other than Tom DeLay.

          Cegelis has raised approx. $160K this year, more than Melissa Bean had by this point in her campaign, with donations largely from small donors (approx. 1,200 donors). Q3 totals dipped in light of rumors of Rahm's continual attempts at recruiting other candidates (he's 0 for 2 or 3 at this point), lack of support for her campaign by the DCCC, and donor fatigue from Katrina etc.

          Primary is in March.

        •  Funds (none / 0)

          Cegelis has raised 160 with only 40k on hand
          Roskam has over 700k on hand

          Intersecting faith and politics from a liberal perspective, Faithfully Liberal

          by Peace to all on Tue Nov 29, 2005 at 12:10:12 PM PDT

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    •  I think cmkay's point is (none / 1)

      that Christine Cegelis actually "tap the donors in the area"--she's raised $160,000--no small amount at this time in the election cycle. Moreover, Rahm is seeking someone to run against her who can "do a better job of...tap[pin] the donors in the area," he's seeking someone with his/her OWN MONEY so they don't have to bother actually raising money in the district or seek and earn the support of the local party and affiliate organizations. Cegelis is a PROVEN candidate! She got 44% against a LEGEND and met the DCCC's "requirement" for support--raising $150,000. Can you say dishonest? How about hypocritical?

      This situation with the DCCC reeks of carpetbagging.

      This is something I'm passionate about because the same thing is being pulled on my local candidate--Jim Brandt in CA-46.

  •  Couple of Notes (none / 1)

    Here is how I understand things to be:

    1. You can post absolutely anything you want, from advocating single issues to advocating single candidates for any election that you wish.  You can also post diary entries about gardening, your children, your faith, whatever.  Go for it!

    2. I intend to fund Ms. Cegelis again this next year, as I did last year, but I don't fault the DCCC for recruiting another candidate whom they feel has better chances to win.  This really isn't about betrayal to me.  It's about options.  Ms. Cegelis has put herself forth as an option and, apparently, the DCCC has provided another option for us.

    So, I don't know ...

    I'm not sure that the situation regarding this race is as dire as this diary entry makes out.  Please continue cheerleading for Ms. Cegelis here and elsewhere, though.  This should be a really interesting race and I look forward to hearing both her and Ms. Duckworth speak on the issues.

    "Truck Stop Women," a New Film By Phil Gramm and John McCain.

    by bink on Mon Nov 14, 2005 at 08:42:31 AM PDT

  •  44% is not 'awfully close' (none / 0)

    How much of the 44% was Cegelis's campaign and Cegelis herself? How much of that was an anti-Hyde vote? How much of that was pure demographic changes? What was Cegelis's name ID Election Day 04? What is it now?

    Are there problems with Cegelis's candidacy and campaign that we don't hear about in the blogosphere? I keep reading diaries with the same essential underlying message: Cegelis versus big bad DCCC. I don't see very much (aside from requests for votes at DFA) on what Cegelis can improve on and what she might need to do to make herself a stronger candidate.

    Let's not overstate how well she did and how good of a candidate she may be.

    If she's been running for more than two years (as she's said before) and has support from Dems in her district, why isn't her fundraising any better?

    She took on Henry Hyde and DCCC thanked her. DCCC has no obligation to back her again in 06. If they're not giving her enough guidance, then, they maybe they should cut her a break and give her some more advice or whatever (and see how she does  then).  However, DCCC's job is to find the best candidates to run in as many districts it can, not to necessarily just support whoever ran last time.

    I have no idea whether Duckworth will be a good candidate, and I don't know if Cegelis is the best candidate either. But a steady stream of "DCCC isn't supporting Cegelis" diaries isn't letting anyone know what they can do to help figure out what she needs to do to improve her campaign.

    "The way the loser loses will determine whether the winner wins in November." -- Rahm Emanuel

    by Newsie8200 on Mon Nov 14, 2005 at 08:43:17 AM PDT

    •  exactly (none / 0)

      if there really is a ton of in-district support for Cegelis, and she really has built up this grassroots network that people are talking about, then isn't the best move to convey that to the DCCC? Wouldn't a lot of letters from people inside the district saying how much they support Christine Cegelis send a 10,000 times stronger message to Rahm and the rest of the crew than a bunch of DCCC bashing?

      I want to win. You want to beat him, and that's a problem for me, because I want to win. -The West Wing

      by AnnArborBlue on Mon Nov 14, 2005 at 08:49:09 AM PDT

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      •  That would work (none / 0)

        Just like sending a lot of letters to President Bush to end the war would get the job done.

        Christine is not of the DLC mold that Rahm wants. That's the bottom line here. He's more interested in a package he can sell to the voters. A 'war hero' candidate will gain a great deal of attentention, and with DCCC backing, will generate fundrasing buzz. But will the "there's good and bad in everything" message work? I'm in district and I don't see that type of answer flying at all.

        •  look that's a perfectly valid opinion (none / 0)

          but writing letters to Rahm saying "you guys are bastards, how dare you not support this candidate, here's what I think of you...", well that's not gonna do a damn bit of good.

          It's been my experience that people are more persuadable when you say "this is why you're a genius if you agree with me", as opposed to "you're an idiot if you don't".

          I want to win. You want to beat him, and that's a problem for me, because I want to win. -The West Wing

          by AnnArborBlue on Mon Nov 14, 2005 at 11:08:51 AM PDT

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    •  It depends on what "close" is (none / 1)

      I'd really like to know your definition of "close".  44% is very close to 50.1% in my book.  Would anyone have imagined in 2002 that a Democrat could have gotten that many votes in such a supposedly Republican district, and against such a venerable opponent?  No, that's why the DCCC ignored the race altogether.

      Christine had the foresight to see the possibility.  She fought for it, and in my mind the DCCC should now HELP her, not fight her.  If loyalty doesn't mean anything, then I'm in the wrong party.

      Why is it only up to the candidate?  Why doesn't the party help?  They do on the other side.  And they've been winning more than we have.

      Caro

  •  Didn't you get the memo? (none / 0)

    Most of us don't live and work in Washington and we don't bounce around from campaign to Congressional office to campaign. Therefore, we know nothing about politics.

    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."- Thomas Jefferson

    by RandyMI on Mon Nov 14, 2005 at 08:49:56 AM PDT

    •  God Forbid (none / 0)

      People with actual experience in running/working campaigns are entitiled to believe they know more about it than those who dabble in it.  Because they do.

      Just because I have a small online ticket broker business, doesn't mean I am ready to run the season ticket program for the Cubs.

  •  I've said it before (4.00 / 2)

    And I think it may have been in response to a diary about the same race a while ago (perhaps you posted that one, too)--people around here get upset when the party crowns a nominee and discourages any primary competition (e.g. Casey/Pennachio situation). But when the likely nominee is someone we like, we bitch about the party not getting behind that person 100%.  We either want a democratic (small d) primary process or we want the party to crown a winner. We can't have it both ways. I think primaries are great, as long as the candidates don't run negative campaigns that end up hurting the party's chances to win the general election (for example, I wish Pennachio would attack Santorum with as much passion as he attacks Casey).
    •  Agree (none / 0)

      But with a caveot:
      Primaries are great if the field is level. As I wrote the other day:

      For Duckworth to show she hasn't been anoited and the DCCC to show they aren't manipulating local races, Duckworth would have to fundraise on her own, set up her campaign team on her own, recruit volunteers on her own, and get the signatures needed to get her on the ballot on her own - something she has precious little time to do at this point. Cegelis and Scott did all these things on their own. Instead, should this be done for Duckworth, then she is the candidate getting the free ride, not Cegelis.

      The national party dwarfs what a local candidate can do on their own. With the DCCC's backing, even below the radar, the resources available make a primary less Democratic and more stacked to political and money connections.

  •  An outside view (4.00 / 2)

    Before bashing the the Democratic Party leadership lets look at the facts.

    1. Cegelis wasn't exactly that close to winning in 2004

    2. Her fundraising could best be described as lackluster.

    3. The DCCC's responsibility is to win elections not prove "loyalty" to a politician that hasn't proved she can EITHER win or raise the money to be competitive.

    4. The burden of proof needs to be placed with Cegelis NOT the DCCC. If she is a credible candidate then she should raise money like a credible candidate. The fact that she has run before should be helping her. The fundraising seems to imply that her "experience" isn't exacty helping her.

    I think before people bother calling the DCCC they should contact the Cegelis campaign and find out what they plan to do on the fundraising front and how they plan to make this a race they are better suited to win.
  •  while they agree with you on the issues (none / 0)

    they refuse to indentify with progressives.

    which is why, for the most part, 30% thinks they're conservative.  30% thinks they're liberal.  and 40% thinks they're .... moderate.

    or centrists.

    I want Lamont to win, but I won't cry when he doesn't.

    by BiminiCat on Mon Nov 14, 2005 at 09:08:57 AM PDT

  •  It's not too late. (none / 0)

    Christine has time to join the marines.  Then Rahm will back her, wholeheartedly.  (That seems to be one of his primary criteria for `06.  He's hardcore DLC and I guess he believes that having military or ex-military candidates negates what the DLC considers to be the Dem's Achilles Heel: defense and national security.  Don't know whay military folks are necessarily better candidates but the Rahmster is recruiting them all over the country.)
  •  Turned Off (none / 0)

    I received a phone call from the DCCC not that long ago, soliciting donations.  Being that I don't have an abundance of extra money, I'm very selective about who I donate cash to.  If it's a cause or a person that I believe in, if I can't donate money, I volunteer my time.

    I offered my time and services to the DCCC and they flat out refused me, saying that they only needed money.

    That turned me off COMPLETELY.

    No tears to cry. No feelings left. This species has amused itself to death. ~ Roger Waters

    by Kevin in Long Beach on Mon Nov 14, 2005 at 09:35:29 AM PDT

    •  Then I hope you'll donate to... (none / 0)

      ...Christine's campaign instead ;-)

      Caro

    •  What would the DCCC do with your time? (none / 0)

      A campaign could use it. But what would the DCCC do with your time? Open a Long Beach branch office?
      •  Don't Know (none / 0)

        But do you think it is the right message to send to people to simply blow off their offers of volunteer service and simply say that all they want is your money?

        No tears to cry. No feelings left. This species has amused itself to death. ~ Roger Waters

        by Kevin in Long Beach on Mon Nov 14, 2005 at 10:32:19 AM PDT

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        •  If all they do is collect money, sure. (none / 0)

          They don't traffic in volunteers. They might have directed you to a local campaign, of course. But chances are you were talking to a call center, where the person on the other end of the phone has a script that they have to stick to or they won't get paid.

          They don't have the capacity or the flexibility to put you on hold and then go do the research for you to find out where to direct the resources you're willing to give, as opposed to the resources they're instructed to ask you for.

          What do you think they would have done if you had offered to donate, but only in Kuwaiti dinars? Do you think they should taken them to the airport and exchanged them?

          The point is, they asked you for a certain kind of help and you didn't want to or couldn't give it. The people you spoke to aren't trained to deal with anything outside of a yes or no answer. And rather than address that, you're going to punish candidates who need financial help, but have no idea that you're willing to give other kinds of help. All because you equate the employees at the outsourced call center with "DC Democrats."

          •  disagree (none / 0)

            I have the distinct pleasure of working for a telemarketer in college (note the sarcasm here).

            The script you are given to work from normally has alternatives for every eventuality that is reasonable to expect.

            Either this phone banker was a total idiot, or the script didn't ever consider someone who had time to give and not money.

            At the least, the script should have had an alternate action directing the recipient to a website where they could find volunteer opportunities. This would take seconds to do with little impact.

            If this was not considered in the script, this sends a poor message, as noted by the original comment.

            •  We don't actually know what was said... (none / 0)

              for one thing.

              For another, we don't know about the script. Or how well it was followed, for that matter.

              It could well be that the phone banker was a total idiot. It could be that the script was poor.

              The question is, should candidates who need help suffer for it when a potential volunteer feels he hasn't been properly massaged? Do we need better handholders, or tougher volunteers?

              •  Good question (none / 0)

                I think at the least you subscribe to typical business standards. You don't turn away customers as act rudely to them.

                Like you said, we don't exactly what was said, so I take the comment at face value and leave the possiblity wide open that it was a poor phone banker.

                But volunteers are fragile to begin with. They want to help, and instant rejection may make many double think the idea. It's not about being tougher, it's about being appreicated.

                Basic customer relations is all the hand holding needed for the majority of volunteers, and what seemed to be lacking on this call commented on.

                •  Basic customer relations. (none / 0)

                  Yes, it would be nice if the DCCC had been sweeter. And yes, basic customer relations is sorely needed, at the DCCC and everywhere.

                  And if the DCCC were in the market for volunteers, it would have been very unwise indeed to permit such poor customer relations. But they're in the market for cash donations. This prospect wasn't offering any. Instead, he offered something completely different. Not being in the market for what was offered, and not being in a position to create a market for what was offered, the offer was rejected.

                  I don't see any mistakes in the theory here. There may or may not have been mistakes made in the presentation. We still don't know what was said, and I'm not entirely sure it matters. "No, thank you very much for your offer, though. We're really looking for financial support with this pledge drive, as opposed to volunteers" is still a flat out refusal.

                  Volunteers should be appreciated. Ideally by someone actually looking for them.

              •  That's Not It (none / 0)

                The question is, should candidates who need help suffer for it when a potential volunteer feels he hasn't been properly massaged?

                It's not a matter of being "properly massged."  It's a matter of respect.  This person that I spoke to was flat out rude when I told them that I had time but not money to donate at that time.  

                So I ask you, why should I donate my hard earned money to a group of people that are willing to treat me that way?  Why should I not instead find people and organizations to donate to that are willing to treat those they are soliciting for their hard earned money with a modicum of respect?

                No tears to cry. No feelings left. This species has amused itself to death. ~ Roger Waters

                by Kevin in Long Beach on Mon Nov 14, 2005 at 02:36:26 PM PDT

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                •  Here's why. (none / 0)

                  Why should you donate your hard earned money to a group of people that are willing to treat you that way?

                  Because you're not donating money to them. You're donating money to Democratic Congressional candidates who need that money to change the things you want to see changed in Congress, rude telephone operators notwithstanding.

                  I guess I'm just puzzled by the people who have little or no difficulty overlooking one or two actual policy positions they disagree with a candidate on but will still vote for her, but would withhold donations that would help those candidates because they're unwilling to overlook a less than pleasant experience with an outsourced telephone solicitor.

                  A matter of scale, I guess. But something I think the thicker-skinned among us would overlook. At least until we found a better excuse not to give.

                  •  Wrong (none / 0)

                    but would withhold donations that would help those candidates because they're unwilling to overlook a less than pleasant experience with an outsourced telephone solicitor.

                    Oh, I'm not withholding.  I'll just dontate my time, money and energies to somebody who appreciates it and doesn't treat me with such a lack of respect.  I've got plenty of local Democratic candidates that need just as much money as the people being run by the DCCC.

                    But something I think the thicker-skinned among us would overlook. At least until we found a better excuse not to give.

                    LOL... It's not a matter of being thick-skinned.  And I think to write me off as thin skinned is absolutely ridiculous.  

                    I'm unwilling to be treated as a rubber stamp or a blank check.  I demand accountability and responsibility from my party and from my elected officials. And one way of ensuring that is with my vote and with my donations.

                    No tears to cry. No feelings left. This species has amused itself to death. ~ Roger Waters

                    by Kevin in Long Beach on Tue Nov 15, 2005 at 09:20:21 AM PDT

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          •  Well Said (none / 0)

            The people you spoke to aren't trained to deal with anything outside of a yes or no answer.

            Then I think that this is a problem.  If all they are is a collection plate, that's fine, I don't have a problem with that.  But when I say that I don't have the extra money at the moment, but I'm willing to volunteer, the last thing I'd expect is a rude reply.

            I think that the message that they're sending when they have people working for them who are that rude is that they don't want our input, they don't want our time, all they want is our money.  And I'm sorry, but I think that's bullshit.  My money and my time will be better spend on people and organizations that are willing to show me that they deserve it.  

            They don't have the capacity or the flexibility to put you on hold and then go do the research for you to find out where to direct the resources you're willing to give

            Then perhaps the higher ups should provide this information to the people working the phones.  Perhaps they should be trained to engage the people they're calling instead of coming off like this person I spoke to.

            And if all I have to give is Kuwaiti dinars, then you bet your ass they should go exhange them.  This is about meeting us, the people, halfway.  This is about engaging us as a part of the dialogue and not simply a source of blank checks.  This is about treating us with a little respect.

            No tears to cry. No feelings left. This species has amused itself to death. ~ Roger Waters

            by Kevin in Long Beach on Mon Nov 14, 2005 at 02:29:20 PM PDT

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            •  The people working the phones. (none / 0)

              The higher ups may not be able to provide this information to the people working the phones, because the people working the phones may not even be in the same time zone as the higher ups.

              It's highly unlikely that the call you got came from the very nerve center of Democratic Headquarters.

              As for your Kuwaiti dinars, I disagree, unless you have several thousand of them. It's not about meeting people halfway. They're asking you to give them money. That's not a cooperative act. You either give it or you don't.

              Not giving is a perfectly reasonable thing to do. But so is asking for money, and nothing else.

              •  Uh Huh (none / 0)

                The higher ups may not be able to provide this information to the people working the phones, because the people working the phones may not even be in the same time zone as the higher ups.

                It's amazing what can be done with email, faxes, even phone meetings between people in different time zones.  

                Not giving is a perfectly reasonable thing to do. But so is asking for money, and nothing else.

                I agree with both of these points. But to treat somebody you're asking for money with scorn when they offer to volunteer their time and energy to help is just ridiculous.  If they aren't interested in volunteers, just say "no thanks" and be done with it.  There's no need to be rude.

                No tears to cry. No feelings left. This species has amused itself to death. ~ Roger Waters

                by Kevin in Long Beach on Tue Nov 15, 2005 at 09:04:27 AM PDT

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    •  This is something not reflected (none / 0)

      in bottom line thinking.

      Cegelis has a large contingent of volunteers who, like you, have more time than money to give. This doesn't show up on an FEC report, but it does ring door bells and GOTV.

  •  I heard (none / 0)

    That DLC controls funding now and they want only centrists since that will "work" again.

    A small group of thoughtful people could change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has. - Margaret Mead

    by Tux on Mon Nov 14, 2005 at 10:11:06 AM PDT

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