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Torture, Rape, and Murder, a timeline in headlines

Wed Nov 30, 2005 at 03:35:48 AM PDT

I often write about energy. This is about the energy of outrage. It's renewable, and I want you to have some too.

There isn't enough outrage about torture, not to my estimation. After all, we only see a few stories about it every month. It's not like it's happening in our country. And the stock market is up, gas prices are falling, the Republicans are on the ropes, and its Christmas shopping season. Perhaps if we saw all those headlines at once...

So I tried the new Guardian search engine this morning. I put in three keywords: torture, Iraq, and US. The results included exactly 911 articles. Is that karma or what? I went through every one of those 911 Guardian articles and selected the highlights. The results are below the fold.


Please excuse that I did not link each article. All can easily be found by searching the Guardian site by date. Bold text is not in the original. Some of the following are from articles, some from editorials, and one from a letter. This diary is very long. But so is a torture session, I imagine.

February 4, 2002
'It's interrogation, not torture'

Yesterday, the row over Camp X-Ray was reignited by pictures of a wounded Afghan being taken for questioning on a trolley. What's wrong with that, says America's leading political commentator

December 1, 2002
No justice in Guantanamo Bay

Two Britons held in Guantanamo Bay will petition the federal appeals court in Washington DC on Tuesday. Our clients are Asif Iqbal and Shafiq Rasul, both from Tipton in the West Midlands. Our proposition sounds a modest one: that they should not be held forever on Cuba without being charged, without a lawyer, without a trial, and without a semblance of due process. Perhaps they should even be allowed to see their mothers once in a blue moon.

April 11, 2003
UK troops 'break law' by hooding Iraqi prisoners

...what we have seen on our screens are pictures of hooded and bound individuals, many of who were obviously terrified by such treatment, being pushed around by British soldiers. Hooding - the placing of a bag or sack over an individual's head and securing it so that it cannot be removed - is a practice with an ugly history. It is not only inhuman and illegal; it is also often the harbinger of further rough treatment.

May 17, 2003
Iraqi PoWs tell Amnesty they were tortured

Former Iraqi prisoners of war have accused British and American troops of torturing them in custody, blindfolding them before kicking and beating them with weapons for long periods.

Investigators for the human rights group Amnesty International said statements taken from 20 former detainees even included one claim, made by a Saudi man, that he had been subjected to electric shocks by his US captors.  

May 31, 2003
Soldier arrested over Iraqi torture photos

Military police are questioning a British soldier about photographs of alleged "torture" of Iraqi prisoners of war, including one gagged and bound, and dangling in netting from a fork-lift truck.

Other photos allegedly show soldiers commiting sex acts in front of captured Iraqis.

July 23, 2003
Amnesty accuses US-led forces of abuses

...The allegations include the shooting of a 12-year-old boy during house-to-house searches by US troops, and reports of Iraqis detained by coalition forces being subjected to torture.

December 3, 2003
People the law forgot

"They would just pick us up and throw us out [of the plane]," says Saghir. "Some people were hurt, some quite badly." Mohammed says: "They kicked us out of the plane and threw us on the ground." -snip-

'If they kept me for 18 months and sent me a letter to certify I'm innocent, then why did they keep me there for 18 months?' asks Shah Mohammed. 'Don't they have any duty or obligation to me?'

January 10, 2004
Guantanamo Bay: a global experiment in inhumanity

Worldwide, the experiment is becoming the norm. It has been estimated that at least 15,000 people are being held without trial under the justification of the "war on terrorism". They include more than 3,000 detained in Iraq after the war, of whom at least 1,000 are still in detention; an estimated further 1,000 to 3,000 detained at Bagram airbase in Afghanistan; and an unknown number being held on the British territory of Diego Garcia.

April 23, 2004
Torture claims mark US media campaign in Iraq

The al-Jazeera cameraman, a 33-year-old father of two, is recounting his tale of incarceration in a soft and matter-of-fact tone...

...he was greeted by US soldiers who sang "Happy Birthday" to him through his tight plastic hood, stripped him naked and addressed him only as "al-Jazeera", "boy" or "bitch". He was forced to stand hooded, bound and naked for 11 hours in the bitter autumn night air; when he fell, soldiers kicked his legs to get him up again.

In the morning, Hassan says, he was made to wear a dirty red jumpsuit that was covered with someone else's fresh vomit and interrogated by two Americans in civilian clothes.

Down the tier from him was an old woman who sobbed incessantly and a mentally deranged 13-year-old girl who would scream and shriek until the American guards released her into the hall, where she would run up and down; exhausted, she would eventually return to her cell voluntarily. Hassan says that all other prisoners in the unit, mostly men, were ordered to remain silent or risk being punished with denial of food, water and light.

April 30, 2004
Blair 'appalled' by Iraq prison torture

No 10 said the behaviour shown - with Iraqis stripped naked and hooded and being tormented by their captors - were in "direct contravention of all policy under which the coalition operates".

April 30, 2004
Bush 'disgusted' at torture of Iraqi prisoners

The US president was asked about a series of photographs, one showing Iraqi prisoners naked except for hoods covering their heads, stacked in a human pyramid, which have led to criminal charges being brought against six US soldiers.

April 30, 2004
US military in torture scandal

Graphic photographs showing the torture and sexual abuse of Iraqi prisoners in a US-run prison outside Baghdad emerged yesterday from a military inquiry which has left six soldiers facing a possible court martial and a general under investigation. -snip-

But this is the first time the privatisation of interrogation and intelligence-gathering has come to light. The investigation names two US contractors, CACI International Inc and the Titan Corporation, for their involvement in the functioning of Abu Ghraib.

April 30, 2004
BBC: 'negligible' reaction to torture images

The BBC said today it had received a "negligible" response from viewers after it decided to broadcast disturbing pictures showing the torture and sexual abuse of Iraqi prisoners in a US-run prison outside Baghdad.

May 1, 2004
British troops in torture scandal

The photographs were given to the Mirror newspaper by serving soldiers from the Queen's Lancashire Regiment, who told the paper that such acts of brutality against prisoners in Iraq were widespread.

May 2, 2004
Warnings of abuse in Iraq's prisons that were ignored

'He was missing teeth. All his mouth was bleeding and his nose was all over the place. He couldn't talk, his jaw was out ... he was on his way to being killed.'

May 2, 2004
Shock new details of torture by US troops

Chilling new evidence of the torture and sexual abuse of Iraqi prisoners by American soldiers emerged last night in a secret report accusing the US army leadership of failings at the highest levels.

Detainees were subjected to 'sadistic, blatant and wanton criminal abuses', according to a military investigation suggesting that last week's photographs of US soldiers humiliating their naked captives may only have been the tip of the iceberg.

May 3, 2004
Torture commonplace, say inmates' families

"He told me: 'Mum, they are taking our clothes off. We are nude all the time. They are getting dogs to smell our arses. They are also beating us with cables.'

May 6, 2004
New Iraq abuse photos published

The Washington Post today published a new batch of photos showing abuse of Iraqi prisoners by the American military, just hours after George Bush appeared on Arab television apologising for previous abuses.

The photos, from the Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad, show naked Iraqi men in a range of humiliating poses, including a naked detainee attached to a leash by a prison guard and a group of naked men lying handcuffed to each other with soldiers standing around them.

May 6, 2004
Pleading prisoners and families outside protest at the horrors of Abu Ghraib jail

"Even Saddam didn't do this," Mohammed Ahmed, 37, said yesterday, as the demonstrators arrived outside Abu Ghraib's main gate, shouting in English: "Down, down, USA".

May 7, 2004
Torture as pornography

Furthermore, the pornography of pain as shown in these images is fundamentally voyeuristic in nature. The abuse is performed for the camera. It is public, theatrical, and elaborately staged. These obscene images have a counterpart in the worst, non-consensual sadomasochistic pornography. The infliction of pain is eroticised.

May 8, 2004
British soldiers accused of beating Basra man to death

An Iraqi who survived the incident, Kifah Taha al-Mutari, alleges in a witness statement that he and others were "beaten, hooded, and our hands were wired".

May 10, 2004
Red Cross report details alleged Iraq abuses

An Iraqi hotel receptionist who died after being beaten by troops in a British-controlled area of Iraq is among the victims of abuse allegations highlighted in a leaked Red Cross report, published in full today.

May 12, 2004
American beheaded in revenge for torture

A US hostage in Iraq was pictured being beheaded by Islamic militants in a video released yesterday that said that the grisly act was revenge for the abuse of Iraqi detainees by US troops.

May 13, 2004
US accused of abusing and beating Afghan detainees

The US military prison torture scandal widened further yesterday as new evidence emerged of beatings and sexual abuse of detainees in army jails in Afghanistan.

May 13, 2004
1,800 new pictures add to US disgust

Images of guard dogs snarling at cowering prisoners and Iraqi women being forced to expose their breasts were among the 1,800 new pictures and video stills depicting abuse at the Abu Ghraib jail shown to members of the US Congress yesterday.  

 

May 14, 2004
US forces were taught torture techniques

They called it "bitch in a box". On a baking hot day last August, a black Mercedes sedan pulled up at the US army base in Ramadi and two US interrogators dragged an Iraqi man out of the boot. He was gasping for air.

May 16, 2004
'They tied me up like a beast and began kicking me'  

'I was in extreme pain and so weak that I could barely stand. It was freezing cold and I was shaking like a washing machine. They questioned me at gunpoint and told me that if I confessed I could go home.

May 19, 2004
Soldiers accused of abusing journalists

The top US general in Iraq, Ricardo Sanchez, was last night facing serious embarrassment after exonerating soldiers who apparently abused and sexually humiliated three staff working for the international news agency Reuters.

May 19, 2004
Abu Ghraib soldier gets one year in jail

A US soldier was today sentenced to one year in prison and discharged from the army in the first court martial relating to events at Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad.

May 20, 2004
The other prisoners

"She was the only woman who would talk about her case. She was crying. She told us she had been raped," Swadi says. "Several American soldiers had raped her She had tried to fight them off and they had hurt her arm. She showed us the stitches. She told us, 'We have daughters and husbands. For God's sake don't tell anyone about this.'"

May 24, 2004
Rape in Iraq

Yet the photos of rape and other sexual torture of women at Abu Ghraib prison have still not been released to the public (The other prisoners, G2, May 20). Evidence of the widespread rape of women soldiers within the US military has similarly been ignored. Yet US National Public Radio mentioned 10 days ago that 100 US women soldiers claim to have been raped by their colleagues in Iraq. Why is this not pursued and reported here?

May 24, 2004
Commander of coalition forces witnessed prisoner abuse, lawyer claims

A military lawyer involved in the investigation into the Abu Ghraib prison scandal testified that the commander of coalition forces in Iraq, General Ricardo Sanchez, was present at some prisoner interrogations at the jail and witnessed some of the abuse, it was reported yesterday.

May 26, 2004
Prisoner abuse 'on wider scale', US report says

An official US army overview of the deaths and alleged abuse of prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan has revealed a wider scale of mistreatment than has so far come to light, it was reported today.

June 8, 2004
Blair urged to protest at 'legalisation' of US torture

Amnesty International today called on Tony Blair to protest against the US administration's "supposed legalisation of torture" when he meets the US president, George Bush, at the G8 summit.

June 13, 2004
Secret world of US jails

In the past three years, thousands of alleged militants have been transferred around the world by American, Arab and Far Eastern security services, often in secret operations that by-pass extradition laws. The astonishing traffic has seen many, including British citizens, sent from the West to countries where they can be tortured to extract information.

June 21, 2004
UK troops accused of mutilating Iraqi bodies

Seven of the certificates state that corpses handed over to hospital authorities by British troops showed signs of "mutilation" and "torture".

June 23, 2004
Afghan detainees routinely tortured and humiliated by US troops

"At the end of my time in Guantánamo, I had to sign a paper saying I had been captured in battle, which was not true," he said. "I was stopped when I was in my taxi with four passengers. But they told me I would have to spend the rest of my life in Guantánamo if I did not sign it, so I did."

July 29, 2004
Iraqi witness tells of torture

Mr Mutari said the detainees had been hooded, deprived of sleep, had freezing water poured over them and became the victims of "soldiers' games", including a version of kickboxing in which troops would compete "as to who could kickbox one of us the furthest". One soldier "asked us to dance like Michael Jackson," he said.

August 25, 2004
Pentagon blamed over jail 'sadism'

"We believe there is institutional and personal responsibility right up the chain of command as far as Washington is concerned," James Schlesinger, a former defence secretary who chaired the panel, told reporters yesterday.

September 10, 2004
Iraqi 'ghost detainees' could number 100

"The number is in the dozens, to perhaps up to 100," General Paul Kern told the senate armed services committee. General George Fay put the figure at "two dozen or so", but both officers said they could not give a precise number because no records were kept on most of the CIA detainees. -snip-
Around 300 allegations of detainee deaths, torture or other mistreatment were uncovered, but neither report found evidence that the abuse had resulted from military policies.

September 13, 2004
Bush team 'knew of abuse' at Guantánamo

Evidence of prisoner abuse and possible war crimes at Guantánamo Bay reached the highest levels of the Bush administration as early as autumn 2002, but Donald Rumsfeld, the defence secretary, chose to do nothing about it, according to a new investigation published exclusively in the Guardian today.

September 14, 2004
US troops face new torture claims

Allegations that American soldiers routinely tortured and maltreated detainees have emerged from a third Iraqi city, renewing fears that abuse similar to that inflicted in Abu Ghraib jail in Baghdad has been systematic and widespread.

American soldiers in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul beat and stripped detainees, threatened sexual abuse and forced them to listen to loud western music, according to statements seen by the Guardian.

November 14, 2004
British guard firm 'abused scared Iraqi shepherd boy'

Pictures obtained by The Observer show two employees of Erinys restraining the 16-year-old Iraqi with six car tyres around his body. The photographs, taken last May, show the boy frozen with fear in a room where the wall appeared to be marked by bullet holes.
This newspaper was told he was left immobile and without food or water for more than 24 hours.

December 21, 2004
US faces new torture claims

The revelations came in US government documents released yesterday by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU). The group got the documents - some dated after the Abu Ghraib prison scandal - as part of a lawsuit accusing the government of being complicit in torture.

FBI agents witnessed prisoners being beaten, choked and having lit cigarettes placed in their ears, the New York Times reported.

January 2, 2005
Guantanamo Briton 'in handcuff torture'

A British detainee at Guantanamo Bay has told his lawyer he was tortured using the 'strappado', a technique common in Latin American dictatorships in which a prisoner is left suspended from a bar with handcuffs until they cut deeply into his wrists.
The reason, the prisoner says, was that he was caught reciting the Koran at a time when talking was banned.

He says he has also been repeatedly shaved against his will. In one such incident, a guard told him: 'This is the part that really gets to you Muslims, isn't it?' *

January 7, 2005
*US doctors accused over Guantánamo abuse

Doctors at Guantánamo Bay and Abu Ghraib used their medical knowledge to help devise coercive interrogation methods for detainees including sleep deprivation, stress positions and other abuse, it was reported yesterday.

An article in the New England Journal of Medicine provides the most authoritative account so far that doctors were active participants in the abuse of prisoners in America's "war on terror".

January 9, 2005
Soldiers accused of abuse in Iraq

According to those who have seen the grainy images, one reveals a soldier standing on an Iraqi who appears to be lying in a pool of blood. Another picture allegedly captures a troop aiming a kick at the head of one Iraqi stretched out on the ground. The roll of 25 pictures taken by Bartlam apparently also features* a gagged Iraqi dangling from a fork lift truck operated by a smiling British squaddie. Later, the same Iraqi prisoner is cut down from the truck, falling heavily to the ground.

January 11, 2005
*Abu Ghraib inmates 'like cheerleaders'.

Iraqi detainees who were stacked naked on top of each other in a now infamous Baghdad jail were no worse off than performing cheerleaders, a US court heard yesterday.
The lawyer defending him at the court martial in Texas, Guy Womack, said: "Don't cheerleaders all over America make pyramids every day?" He added: "It's not torture."

January 17, 2005
US to try 20 more troops for Iraq abuse

The Pentagon plans to put at least 20 more US troops before military courts for abuse of detainees in the wake of last week's high profile trial of the ringleader in the Abu Ghraib scandal, military spokesmen said yesterday.

The various prosecutions of soldiers accused of mistreating and, in some cases, murdering detainees in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantánamo Bay have been in the works for months, but have been largely overshadowed by the trial of the man who became known as the "primary torturer" of the notorious Baghdad prison.

January 25, 2005
Iraqis abusing detainees, says report

Iraqi security forces are committing systematic torture and ill-treatment of detainees who are denied access to their families, lawyers and healthcare, a leading human rights group says today.

"They poured cold water over me and applied electric shocks to my genitals. I was also beaten by several people with cables on my arms and back," said a 21-year-old man arrested in July 2004 and accused of links with the Mahdi Army.

February 18, 2005
Papers reveal Bagram abuse

New evidence has emerged that US forces in Afghanistan engaged in widespread Abu Ghraib-style abuse, taking "trophy photographs" of detainees and carrying out rape and sexual humiliation. -snip-

"After they tied me up in the chair, then they dislocate my both arms. He asked to admit before I kill you then he beat again and again," the prisoner says in his statement. "He asked me: Are you going to report me? You have no evidence. Then he hit me very hard on my nose, and then he stepped on my nose until he broken and I started bleeding."

Wednesday March 2, 2005
US state department slams Iraqi government's human rights record

The US state department has criticised the Iraqi government for serious human rights abuses including extra-judicial killings, torture, rape and illegal detentions, with some of the worst violations committed in Basra.

March 21, 2005

Family's torture fear for Briton held in Iraq

The family of a British man held in a US detention centre in Iraq are calling for him to be handed over to the UK authorities because they fear he is being tortured by American soldiers. -snip-

Mr Muneef has now been in US custody for three and a half months. He was initally taken to Balad military base, briefly transferred to Abu Ghraib for a couple of days before Christmas, and has been in Bucca, a desert detention camp on the Kuwaiti border, ever since. He has had no legal representation, nor any independent medical assessment, and just two visits from British Foreign Office staff.

April 24, 2005
Top US officers cleared of Abu Ghraib abuse

The US army investigation into the torture of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib has cleared four out of five top officers of any responsibility for the scandal that shocked America and the world.

The probe has effectively exonerated Lieutenant-General Ricardo Sanchez, the US senior commander in Iraq at the time of the abuse. It also cleared three of Sanchez's deputies.

May 19, 2005
Fresh claims about abuse of Iraqis by British troops

"Here there is the clearest evidence that the military are incapable of prosecuting and investigating themselves ... Clearly here something has gone badly wrong; officers were involved and a whole lot of people were abused."

The Plaid Cymru MP Adam Price said: "The allegations and evidence are far too numerous and serious to allow the government to get away with the 'a few bad apples' argument." There was a "systematic breakdown in the chain of command".

May 20, 2005
US abuse of Afghan prisoners 'widespread'

US soldiers carried out widespread abuse of detainees at the US-run Bagram prison camp in Afghanistan, according to a confidential US army report revealed today in the New York Times.

Seven soldiers have been charged in connection with abuse at Bagram, where the paper reports that harsh treatment by some interrogators was routine, prisoners were shackled in painful fixed positions, and guards could strike shackled detainees with virtual impunity.

May 26, 2005
Guantánamo is gulag of our time, says Amnesty

As the unrivalled political, military and economic hyper-power, the US sets the tone for governments' behaviour worldwide, said Ms Khan. "When the most powerful country in the world thumbs its nose at the rule of law and human rights, it grants a licence to others to commit abuse with impunity," she said. "From Israel to Uzbekistan, Egypt to Nepal, governments have openly defied human rights and international humanitarian law in the name of national security and 'counter-terrorism'."

July 1, 2005
Italy demands US explanation over kidnapped cleric

taly's relations with the US took a further blow yesterday when Silvio Berlusconi's conservative government said it was summoning the American ambassador in Rome to explain the disappearance of a radical Muslim cleric, who was snatched from a Milan street two years ago.

Links between the traditionally close allies had already been strained by the shooting in March of an Italian intelligence officer by American troops in Iraq.
Last Friday, a judge in Milan ordered the arrest of 13 Americans - purported to be CIA agents - on charges of kidnapping. She was responding to a request from prosecutors who found evidence that the cleric, Hassan Mustafa Osama Nasr, also known as Abu Omar, was sent via two American military bases to his native Egypt for imprisonment and interrogation.

July 3, 2005
Revealed: grim world of new Iraqi torture camps

A little lower are a series of horizontal welts, wrapping around his body and breaking the skin as they turn around his chest, as if he had been beaten with something flexible, perhaps a cable. There are other injuries: a broken nose and smaller wounds that look like cigarette burns.

An arm appears to have been broken and one of the higher vertebrae is pushed inwards. There is a cluster of small, neat circular wounds on both sides of his left knee. At some stage an-Ni'ami seems to have been efficiently knee-capped. It was not done with a gun - the exit wounds are identical in size to the entry wounds, which would not happen with a bullet. Instead* it appears to have been done with something like a drill*.
What actually killed him however were the bullets fired into his chest at close range, probably by someone standing over him as he lay on the ground. The last two hit him in the head.

July 3, 2005
UK aid funds Iraqi torture units

The investigation revealed:

· A 'ghost' network of secret detention centres across the country, inaccessible to human rights organisations, where torture is taking place.

· Compelling evidence of widespread use of violent interrogation methods including hanging by the arms, burnings, beatings, the use of electric shocks and sexual abuse.

· Claims that serious abuse has taken place within the walls of the Iraqi government's own Ministry of the Interior.

· Apparent co-operation between unofficial and official detention facilities, and evidence of extra-judicial executions by the police.

July 13, 2005
Ten Iraqis suffocate in police lorry

Iraq's leading Sunni Muslim groups reacted angrily yesterday to reports that 10 Sunni Arab men suffocated to death in the back of a police lorry in Baghdad's sweltering summer heat.

The men are alleged to have died after being arrested by Iraqi anti-terrorist special forces on Sunday as they visited relatives at a hospital in the mainly Shia neighbourhood of Shula in north-western Baghdad.

July 24
Lawyers 'besiege' army over Iraq abuse

One man, Kifah Taha al-Mutari, alleges up to eight soldiers took it in turns to abuse him. 'The soldiers would compete as to who could kickbox one of us the furthest. The idea was to make us crash into the wall,' al-Mutari claims in a sworn testimony.

Shiner is also bringing a case on behalf of nine men who allege they were abused at Camp Breadbasket, the food depot near Basra in southern Iraq which was subjected to looting after the end of the Iraq war. One of the nine claims * he was given a knife and ordered to chop off the finger of another detainee. *

November 3, 2005
East Europe 'has secret CIA jails for al-Qaida'

The CIA has been interrogating al-Qaida prisoners at a Soviet era compound in eastern Europe as part of a covert jail system set up after the September 11 attacks, according to the Washington Post. The secret facility is part of a network of "black sites" spanning eight countries, the existence and locations of which are known only to a handful of US officials and usually only the president and a few top intelligence officers in the host countries.

November 15, 2005

The US used chemical weapons in Iraq - and then lied about it

Did US troops use chemical weapons in Falluja? The answer is yes. The proof is not to be found in the documentary broadcast on Italian TV last week, which has generated gigabytes of hype on the internet. It's a turkey, whose evidence that white phosphorus was fired at Iraqi troops is flimsy and circumstantial. But the bloggers debating it found the smoking gun.
 

November 16, 2005

173 prisoners found beaten and starved in Iraq government bunker

"I've never seen such a situation like this during the past two years in Baghdad. This is the worst," he told CNN. "I saw signs of physical abuse by brutal beating, one or two detainees were paralysed and some had their skin peeled off."

November 18, 2005
More than 80,000 held by US since 9/11 attacks

The US has detained more than 80,000 people in facilities from Afghanistan to Cuba since the attacks on the World Trade Centre four years ago, the Pentagon said yesterday. The disclosure comes at a time of growing unease about Washington's treatment of prisoners in its "war on terror" and Europe's unknowing help in the CIA's practice of rendition.

November 18, 2005
UN official calls for inquiry into Iraq torture

The UN high commissioner for human rights today called for an international investigation into Iraqi detainees who showed signs of torture.

November 19, 2005
Phosphorus and secret flights keep spotlight on Iraq

From secret CIA flights transporting detainees to interrogation centres to the discovery of beaten and starved prisoners in a Baghdad bunker and the row over the use of white phosphorus in Falluja - the fallout from the Iraq war continued to dominate a week which ended with another huge bombing blitz.
Spanish police said they had traced 42 suspected CIA operatives believed to have taken part in secret flights of kidnapped terror suspects that landed in Mallorca in 2003 and 2004 on their way to countries not covered by US human rights rules on torture.

November 20, 2005
This is not the country that I once knew, by Jimmy Carter

Of even greater concern is that the US has repudiated the Geneva accords and supported the use of torture in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo, and secretly through proxy regimes elsewhere with the so-called extraordinary rendition programme. It is embarrassing to see the President and Vice President insisting that the CIA should be free to perpetrate 'cruel, inhumane or degrading treatment or punishment' on people in US custody.

November 20, 2005
Frontline police of new Iraq are waging secret war of vengeance

Baghdad's Medical Forensic Institute - the mortuary - is a low, modern building reached via a narrow street. Most days it is filled with families of the dead. They come here for two reasons. One group, animated and noisy in grief, comes to collect its dead. The other, however, returns day after day to poke through the new cargoes of corpses ferried in by ambulance, looking for a face or clothes they might recognise. They are the relatives and friends of the 'disappeared', searching for their men.
And when the disappeared are finally found, on the streets or in the city's massive rubbish dumps, or in the river, their bodies bear the all-too-telling signs of a savage beating, often with electrical cables, followed by the inevitable bullet to the head.
In a new twist in the ongoing brutality of this country, Iraqi-on-Iraqi violence is escalating dramatically.

November 27, 2005
Abuse worse than under Saddam, says Iraqi leader

Human rights abuses in Iraq are now as bad as they were under Saddam Hussein and are even in danger of eclipsing his record, according to the country's first Prime Minister after the fall of Saddam's regime.
'People are doing the same as [in] Saddam's time and worse,' Ayad Allawi told The Observer. 'It is an appropriate comparison. People are remembering the days of Saddam. These were the precise reasons that we fought Saddam and now we are seeing the same things.'

And there you have it. We have seen the enemy, and it is us.

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  •  I know it's hard to post a comment. (4.00 / 53)

    I tried to write a wise ending, but couldn't. You might try to answer these questions:

    How did we let this happen?

    How did our leaders let this happen?

    Are the soldiers who did this responsible, or ill?

    What can we do about it?

    I think this is important enough that I should for recommends.

    Cross posted and front paged on European Tribune.

    Also Cross posted and front paged on My Left Wing.

    Do not feel safe. The poet remembers.
    Czeslaw Milosz

    by Chris Kulczycki on Wed Nov 30, 2005 at 03:32:31 AM PDT

    •  And front paged (4.00 / 15)

      on Booman Tribune as well.

      That sorry compilation deserves the widest dissemination.

    •  It's like this from a Goss interview... (4.00 / 14)

      with Charles Gibson - and related in a WaPo Froomkin column (yesterday)

      "GIBSON: You know what water-boarding is though, right?

      "GOSS: I know what a lot of things are, but I'm not going to comment.

      "GIBSON: Would that come under the heading? Would that come under the heading of torture?

      "GOSS: I don't know. I have --

      "GIBSON: Well, under your definition that you just gave to me of inflicting pain?

      "GOSS: Let me put it this way, I'm not going to comment on any individual techniques that anybody has brought forward as an allegation, or dreamed up or anything like that. What we do, as I said many times, is professional, it's lawful, it yields good results and it is not torture."

      And so Froomkin sums up Goss's position as:

      So basically: Torture is in the eye of the beholder, and we will be the only ones beholding, thank you. Next question?
    •  How indeed? (4.00 / 11)

      I, too, have been shocked by the lack of outrage over this.  When I find people who claim to be unaware of the problem, after I subject them to a lot of "in your face" evidence, I try to find out how they feel about it once they acknowledge that we are indeed torturing.  

      Sadly, what I find is that most of those people start rationalizing the need for "harsh treatment" since these are "terrorists" who want nothing more than to kill innocent americans.  Again, I'll present them with evidence that 70-90% of those detained and tortured are INNOCENT.  Most will concede at that point that we should be "more careful," that the government has "overreached," yet they still maintain that those guilty deserve no mercy, while reminding me of the fact that we now live in a post 9/11 world.  

      I don't know what the answer is, but I am scared to death of what we've turned into.  I thought opposition to torture was a fundamental core belief of all americans, like freedom of speech and freedom of religion.  It seems to me that on 9/11, even those truths became debatable somehow.  

      God help us all... :(

      •  perhaps the concept of "outrage" (none / 1)

        has died in the US.  Who killed it?  Wasn't there some kind of movement that pushed "the death of outrage" a few years back.  Hmmm.... wonder who would promote such a thing, and what THAT was all about.  Sorry state, this country.  I just can't wait for 2006 and the rays of hope to arrive.

        "There's been a little complication with my complication"

        by dash888 on Wed Nov 30, 2005 at 09:32:06 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Answers... (4.00 / 5)

      How did we let this happen?

      By believeing "it couldn't happen here".  With the undercurrent that this is America.  Americans are special nd just don't do such things so they can't really have happend or are being exagerated.

      How did our leaders let this happen?

      They are pschopaths they feel no empathy and do not feel the pain of others.  Thus they only care in so much as it affects them or their standing.

      Are the soldiers who did this responsible, or ill?

      Both.  They have a responsibility for their actions despite the fact that they were urged into them either explicitky or by peer and cultural pressure.  Many of them will never heal unless they confront and accept their guilt and make at least some token amends.

      What can we do about it

      I am not an American.  Itis not my place to suggest what is needed although in my mind it is clear.

      But above all your country should not stint at paying the full price to repair your share of the damage (and nor should mine).

      Truckle the Uncivil, Nullus Anxietas Sanguinae. Economic Left/Right: -3.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.00

      by Truckle on Wed Nov 30, 2005 at 07:15:17 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  And from this morning's NYT (4.00 / 16)


    U.S. to Respond to Inquiries Over Detentions in Europe

    Administration officials said this week that they were taken aback by the intensity of the European reaction to the reports. They acknowledged that the furor had been fed by two years of disclosures about American treatment of detainees at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, and in Afghanistan.

    The uproar has been especially strong in Spain, Germany, Italy, Romania and Poland. Although the British press has covered the issue extensively, the government there has not been critical of the American position.


    Do not feel safe. The poet remembers.
    Czeslaw Milosz

    by Chris Kulczycki on Wed Nov 30, 2005 at 03:45:05 AM PDT

    •  Taken aback, huh? They really are (4.00 / 10)

      so self centered that outrage at their actions surprises them?

      Remember- when the Republicans start accusing others of doing something they consider awful, it is because they are doing it and trying to cover it.

      by maybeeso in michigan on Wed Nov 30, 2005 at 04:35:32 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  So steeped in delusion (none / 1)

        they are truly "righteous."

        We must keep asking:

        How many?

        How many camps? How many redition flights? How many tortured?

        The jihad to ride the world of terrorists has made the administration into prime terrorists.

        NO MORE SILENCE!

        Against silence, which is slavery. -- Czeslaw Milosz

        by Caneel on Wed Nov 30, 2005 at 10:42:45 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  amazing diary. thank you. (4.00 / 7)

    I always read your diaries and was a bit taken aback by this one....thank you.

    The soldiers are neither ill nor responsible. The people who sent them; Our Congress and Our President and the bigggest unindicted co conspirator of all time- public opinion - are responsible.

    We need to collectively pull a Duke-stir style apology to the World and get out of Iraq. Surrender our worldy possesions ( $$$$ ) and make every effort to repair the damage. And ask for forgiveness.

    Sorry I can't come up with a more uplifting answer.

    One of these days, the people are going to demand peace of the government, and the government is going to have to give it to them. - Dwight Eisenhower

    by bostonjay on Wed Nov 30, 2005 at 04:05:58 AM PDT

  •  We can't repair the damage. I'm not sure that (4.00 / 6)

    it can be repaired.  The next best thing is to get out of the way and let it settle wherever it will.

    Thanks Chris.  Pogo was always wise.

    Remember- when the Republicans start accusing others of doing something they consider awful, it is because they are doing it and trying to cover it.

    by maybeeso in michigan on Wed Nov 30, 2005 at 04:33:22 AM PDT

    •  You can, and should, make amends (4.00 / 9)

      First and foremost, for anything to begin it's journey back to normal, you should deliver BushCo to the Hague.

      Restore Democracy! Denounce the GOP (Georgie's Orwellian Party)!

      by high5 on Wed Nov 30, 2005 at 05:46:41 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Poison in the well (4.00 / 10)

      Making amends...cleaning up the mess...detoxifying the communal well (or our society, take your pick), however you want to put it is going to take a generation.  BushCo has so squandered any goodwill the US had that there's little chance any single act of repetance will be sufficient.  We've got to dig out of the moral hole he's put us in, first.

      Read or *listen to* my SF novel for free. (-7.13/-7.33)

      by Shadan7 on Wed Nov 30, 2005 at 05:51:02 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  What is the status (4.00 / 3)

    on the ordered release of torture pictures, detailing rapes and killings of young boys? Why is the entire media apparatus pretending that these materials don't exist and that they haven't been ordered by a federal judge to be made publicly available?
    •  Orwell's 1984 and more (4.00 / 6)

      Bush is living out the novel, he has controlled the tame press for so long that they have forgotten how to do their job.  Notice how the WaPo and NYT have a few belated, half-baked apologies for their role in the drumbeat for war, but still have done nothing to find out what Woodward knows, and when he knew it.

      Look at the war with Eastasia (Iraq).  Bush claims that they are our enemy, and have always been our enemy, yet we have photos of Rumsfeld with Saddam- they sure look chummy.  And who supplied Saddam with the materials for poison gas and all sorts of weapons?  Why Cheney's Halliburton and others, what a bunch of lying hypocrits we have running the show.

  •  I'd like to think of this ... (4.00 / 9)

     ... incomplete list as an open letter to the broad world, in which Torture of any kind is condemned.  I'm adding this comment as my signature, and I encourage everyone who agrees to do so as well.

    In life there are often situations which can't be manipulated into the often ridiculous "Win-Win" corporate trainers rant about.  This is sad, and real.  It can not be undone.  It is, simply, a "lose-lose" situation, and it is ours.  Yet there are actions to be taken.  We must work to stop it.  And we must bear witness.  Thank you for the diary -- we need more like it:  compilations of photographs, videos (they are out there), testimony from soldiers and civilians involved.  We need to front page them -- to, in the words of an ancient writer, bear them of frontlets between our eyes.

    I commit myself to ending the US practice of torturing prisoners and "detainees".

    Two war crimes make 'the right', not 'a right'. Defeat the liar John McCain.

    by Yellow Canary on Wed Nov 30, 2005 at 05:28:56 AM PDT

    •  Here is a link to some gruesome photos (4.00 / 7)

      from Alive in Baghdad. Jerome a Paris posted this link on ET last night.

      Do not feel safe. The poet remembers.
      Czeslaw Milosz

      by Chris Kulczycki on Wed Nov 30, 2005 at 05:42:04 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  We need visual and emotional tools (none / 1)

        Horrible as the photos are, we also have to find a way to let people understand the experience of torture.  Pinter has a play, One for the Road, that makes it real.  

        The Bellevue/NYU Program for Survivors of Torture can tell us plenty about what torture is, for those who remain flippant about it:

        Types of Torture

        The types of torture perpetrated around the world are many and range from overt physical assaults to insidious psychological terrorization. Among our patients, the most commonly reported forms of physical torture, in order of frequency from highest to lowest, are beatings, prolonged deprivation of food or water, blows to the head, restraint in painful positions, rape, and electrocution. The most commonly reported forms of psychological torture, in order of frequency, are imprisonment under cruel inhuman conditions, threats/verbal abuse/humiliation, and being forced to witness the torture of others.

        Some modern torturers are becoming increasingly sophisticated in their methods so as not to leave permanent scars that can be readily documented. Nonetheless, their victims are not spared continued physical and psychological suffering that often lasts well beyond their imprisonment and abuse.

        Victims of Torture

        Clients seen in our program present with significant physical and psychological symptoms and conditions as a result of their torture. Physical manifestations include broken bones, joint and muscle pain, headaches, dizziness, burns, neurological damage, hearing loss and loss of sensation. Several individuals seen in our program have required treatment for tuberculosis, which was likely caused or exacerbated by the inhuman prison conditions to which they were subjected.

        Psychological and emotional sequelae (sic) of abuse that our clients have reported include cognitive symptoms such as memory disturbance and difficulty concentrating, lack of energy, sexual dysfunction, emotional irritability, social withdrawal and loss of trust in the world, insomnia, flashbacks, nightmares, phobias, and difficulty feeling or expressing emotions.  Specific mental health disorders suffered by survivors of torture cared for in our program include various depressive and anxiety disorders and Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.

        I want Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and every complicit yesman in this administration prosecuted.  

        Are we still routinely torturing helpless prisoners, and if so, does it feel right that we as American citizens are not outraged by the practice? -Al Gore

        by soyinkafan on Wed Nov 30, 2005 at 09:57:36 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Even sadder, (4.00 / 9)

    Millions of Americans don't think this is wrong and refuse to learn more about what has happened.  

    They don't read the Guardian, they watch Fox; that's if they are interested in the news at all.  

    Bush's numbers are low but nothing has been done to remove him from office.

    Just got my alumni magazine from The University of Dallas, a respected, small, conservative Roman Catholic institution.  They are proudly competing to get the Bush Presidential Library.  He's the first Born-Again Christian president, you know, and they want to represent his legacy. (I feel a diary coming on...)

    This diary represents his legacy, IMHO.

    "War is the calculated and condoned slaughter of human beings". Harry Patch, age 109, WWI veteran.

    by skwimmer on Wed Nov 30, 2005 at 05:32:52 AM PDT

    •  Jimmy Carter... (4.00 / 6)

      was the first "born-again Christian" as far as I remember.

      I hope the good Christians at The University of Dallas plan to offer extra space for the torture exhibit. It might require a whole wing.

      "I was so easy to defeat, I was so easy to control, I didn't even know there was a war." -9.75, -8.41

      by RonV on Wed Nov 30, 2005 at 05:42:17 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Liberals, as well as torture, (4.00 / 3)

        are taboo.  Ask any Koolaid Rethuglican if GWB is the first born-again Christian president...  Hell, they think he's the first President we ever had!

        "War is the calculated and condoned slaughter of human beings". Harry Patch, age 109, WWI veteran.

        by skwimmer on Wed Nov 30, 2005 at 06:05:24 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Oh man, small world (none / 0)

      my family went to UD. I didn't go, but I'm very familiar with the campus, since I grew up there and some of my siblings went back to it.

      Yeah, there's some people there who aren't total koolaid drinkers, but it is (or was) a hotbed of Franco-worship. It was alumni of UD who went off to revitalize Steubenville and then to work with Monaghan on Ave Maria College/University (which is imploding in the way that CEO-run non-business enterprises do particularly when clueless CEOs are also ideologues.)

      "Don't be a janitor on the Death Star!" - Grey Lady Bast (change @ for AT to email)

      by bellatrys on Wed Nov 30, 2005 at 06:55:17 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Chris a monumental effort (4.00 / 4)

    A difficult one for you, but much appreciated. A sorry and shameful one for all Americans. I hope someone in the mainstream press takes note of this compilation. 911 stories is truly ironic.

    "I just had the basic view of the American public -- it can't be that bad out there." Marine Travis Williams after 11 members of his squad were killed.

    by Steven D on Wed Nov 30, 2005 at 05:40:05 AM PDT

  •  And let us not forget... (4.00 / 9)

    ...how the right-wing noise machine responded to all this. No better example than the foul mouth of Limbaugh.

    "This is no different than what happens at the Skull and Bones initiation and we're going to ruin people's lives over it and we're going to hamper our military effort, and then we are going to really hammer them because they had a good time. You know, these people are being fired at every day. I'm talking about people having a good time, these people, you ever heard of emotional release? You ever heard of need to blow some steam off?

    "You know, if you look at -- if you, really, if you look at these pictures, I mean, I don't know if it's just me, but it looks just like anything you'd see Madonna, or Britney Spears do on stage. Maybe I'm -- yeah. And get an NEA grant for something like this. I mean, this is something that you can see on stage at Lincoln Center from an NEA grant, maybe on Sex in the City -- the movie. I mean, I don't -- it's just me.

    "And these American prisoners of war -- have you people noticed who the torturers are? Women! The babes! The babes are meting out the torture.

    "All right, so we're at war with these people. And they're in a prison where they're being softened up for interrogation. And we hear that the most humiliating thing you can do is make one Arab male disrobe in front of another. Sounds to me like it's pretty thoughtful. Sounds to me in the context of war this is pretty good intimidation -- and especially if you put a woman in front of them and then spread those pictures around the Arab world. And we're sitting here, "Oh my God, they're gonna hate us! Oh no! What are they gonna think of us?" I think maybe the other perspective needs to be at least considered. Maybe they're gonna think we are serious. Maybe they're gonna think we mean it this time. Maybe they're gonna think we're not gonna kowtow to them. Maybe the people who ordered this are pretty smart. Maybe the people who executed this pulled off a brilliant maneuver. Nobody got hurt. Nobody got physically injured. But boy there was a lot of humiliation of people who are trying to kill us -- in ways they hold dear. Sounds pretty effective to me if you look at us in the right context.

    "The thing though that continually amazes -- here we have these pictures of homoeroticism that look like standard good old American pornography, the Britney Spears or Madonna concerts or whatever, and yet the Libs upset about the mistreatment of these prisoners thought nothing of sitting back while mass graves were being filled with three to 500,000 Iraqis during the Saddam Hussein regime.

    "I think a lot of the American culture is being feminized. I think the reaction to the stupid torture is an example of the feminization of this country."

    Source

    Other source

    "I was so easy to defeat, I was so easy to control, I didn't even know there was a war." -9.75, -8.41

    by RonV on Wed Nov 30, 2005 at 06:13:39 AM PDT

  •  libby involved in setting policy? (4.00 / 3)

    fact: Libby published one of the ugliest little fictions I've ever learned of - the Apprentice - which involves sexual torture, including two children forced to have sex with a bear.

    fact - evidently: a diarist posted yesterday about how Libby had been working as an assistant to Bush too, where Libby surely helped make policy for Cheney, probably would have for Bush.

    fact: Seymour Hersh, who broke the Abu Ghraib sexual torture story, has reported that the Bush White House authorized videotapes of the rape of Iraqi boys.

    AND YOU'RE SEEING THE REST ABOVE.

    Coincidence? I think Libby had more than a hand in this policy, with Cheney's blessing.

  •  24 (none / 0)

    I think one of the most effective ways of combatting America's perception of terrorism is to be critical of the television show 24:

    For 24's producers, in their fourth season of constructing a save-the-world scenario that must be completed in one day, the use of torture is about "real-time" drama, not politics.

    "It goes with the 24 conceit that we need information and don't have days to break this person. Sometimes we don't even have hours," executive producer Howard Gordon says.

    24's writers aren't taking a political stand, but they know that the real-world debate, with its pros and cons, is in the public consciousness, Gordon says. The substance of an upcoming episode will hinge on whether the president allows a suspect's torture, he says."

    If we spend time debating framing, the process by which ideas are understood by metaphors, patterns, and stories, 24 seems to be the largest proliferator of this story format. Plus it's on Fox!

  •  typical for the bush white house (4.00 / 3)

    I suggest that the personal sickness of various members of the White House is directly related to sexual torture of Iraqis.

    It's not so far-fetched for the Bush Camp.  In 1989 the first Bush was involved in a publicized pedophilia scandal whereby juvenile callboys were brought into the White House (see headlines).  Known as the Franklin scandal, most of the key witnesses ended up dead.

    Surely you have heard about Gannongate, where a male prostitute was constantly visiting the White House...  on nights that only Bush was staying there?  Gannon was introduced to Bush et al by the White House Entertainment guy R. Gregory Stephens (recently died of mysterious causes).  

    Representatives Conyers and Slaughter sued under the Freedom of Information Act to demand Secret Service records of Gannon's access to the White house, and they received these records from the Secret Service via Homeland Security, and here is Congresswoman Louise Slaughter's letter to McClellan demanding further information on the association of Bush/White House with Gannon.  Hmmm... Ashcroft was run out of his job in Washington D.C. about the time this request of information was honored by Homeland Security right out from under his nose?

    Do we see a pattern here?  Something to hide?

    •  Those links are truly scary (none / 0)

      I can't believe this wasn't a bigger story. But then, considering how many people around it ended up dead, I guess I can...

      "In the end we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends." MLK, changed to this during the 2008 FISA fight

      by bewert on Wed Nov 30, 2005 at 11:12:53 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  saw on Euro trib - recommended and a 4 (4.00 / 2)

    Our sense of values as a nation is horribly askew.  Keeping this "live in everyone's mind" is a must.
  •  thanks for posting this (4.00 / 3)

    My Republican apologist dad scoffed at the idea that we're doing anything that's really bad to the Iraqis. "Torture?!" he said. "That stuffs not torture. It's like college pranks, nothing like what Saddam did."

    I've been collecting some links and plan to print out and send him some of the stories to show him how bad it really was. This will aid immensely. I've discovered recently that giving him articles on what's really happening is opening his eyes, because he's been getting all his "news" from Faux.

    Here's the saddest, most horrible story I've found to date--the story of the torture and death of an innocent cab driver named Dilawar: here . . . and here

  •  This is really painful stuff. (4.00 / 2)

    Ultimately, these acts of torture will do FAR more damage to the US than the 9/11 attacks. Stupid, ignorant, self-destructive.

    One very scary issue, apart from the sheer brutality of the acts themselves, is that the torture used is totally ineffective in "extracting information." Much of the primary goal here is to break the will of the prisoner such that they can be programmed by their keepers, i.e., provide prescripted testimony when appearing before a tribunal or manufacturing an informant who will provide "humint" from "the field."

    Painful, scary stuff.

    -4.38, -7.64 Voyager 1: proof that what goes up never comes down.

    by pat bunny on Wed Nov 30, 2005 at 07:18:56 AM PDT

  •  Maybe it's time for a Bush-regime torture museum. (4.00 / 4)

    I know that this is out of left-field, but I just read this powerful piece by Kevin Sites on a museum that the Kurds have set up on Saddam-era torture.  I can  well imagine that the museum must be an overwhelming experience.  I would love to see the same sort of thing done for the Bush era.

    Chris Kulczyki is right: We should be trying to overwhelm people with the enormity of the horrors that our government has unleashed.

    Kingman, Barstow, San Bernardino!

    by jem6x on Wed Nov 30, 2005 at 07:20:54 AM PDT

  •  outrage (4.00 / 5)

    For me, this outrage trumps all others.

    There is no lower moral plane to which we can fall. Each action on this plane that emerges is a fresh wound on my spirit.

    Before Abu Ghraib I was furious with Bu$hitCo. There is no need to recap the abuses suffered by America and the rest of the world since 2000. However, since Abu Ghraib I have felt a deep pain that only deepens, like a festering wound.

    I don't have words to express my disgust.

    To help end torture, support Amnesty International, and never stop making noise about this. Do not let this issue remain below the top level of news.

  •  link needed (none / 0)

    Does anyone have a link to the story of the U.S. soldier who volunteered to pretend he was an Iraqi for training purposes and wound up being brutally killed by his fellow soldiers?

    I need that one to print out and send my dad too.

  •  Light is the only antidote... (none / 0)

    for our present darkness.
    Thanks for posting.
  •  Editorial in German Paper (4.00 / 2)

    Die Zeit is one of the most influential papers in Germany.  Today, its publisher Michael Naumann - himself quite influential in Germany - has an editorial Folterstaat Amerika (trans. Torture Nation America). It is quite devastating.

    But even more alarming are the readers' comments. Some of the commenters are saying that the US is no longer a democracy. And nearly all ask: why isn't there a public outcry in the US about these atrocities?

    Dialog macht Sinn / Dialogue makes sense

    by DowneastDem on Wed Nov 30, 2005 at 08:10:07 AM PDT

  •  One sad piece of polling data: (4.00 / 2)

    Can be found here under: Polling/Politics

    MAY 14-23, 2004: COALITION PROVISIONAL AUTHORITY (CPA) POLL

    PRISONERS ABUSE AT ABU GHRAIB: 14-23 MAY, 2004
    Question  Findings  

    Were you surprised when you saw the abuse of
    prisoner's at Abu Ghraib?

    Yes: 71% No: 22%
    Don't know/No answer: 7%

    Do you believe that the abuse of prisoners at Abu
    Ghraib represents fewer than 100 people or that
    all Americans behave this way?

    All Americans are like this: 54%
    Fewer than 100 people: 38%
    Don't know/No answer: 8%

    Do you believe anyone will be punished for what
    happened at Abu Ghraib?

    No: 61% Yes: 29%
    Don't know/No answer: 10%

    And this is a CPA poll.
    Sad.

    -4.38, -7.64 Voyager 1: proof that what goes up never comes down.

    by pat bunny on Wed Nov 30, 2005 at 08:33:11 AM PDT

    •  The wisdom of the majority (none / 1)

      1. They were right about no one being punished.

      2. Juding from the persistent lack of interest in the US and the active suppression of dialogue about torture, not just by the govt and the press, but by individuals as well, it would appear they are right in averring that "All Americans are like this."

      When I sent pictures of a tortured dead Iraqi to my father (a retired Colonel who forwards me wingnut email about how cruel and powerhungry "Islam" is) he replied, by email, "What's your point?"  And made a smug remark about the Shiites getting back at the Sunnis. I thought of telling him I sent the email to see if he thought torture was bad only when people we don't like do it - and decided not to.  It was too painful and disgusting.
  •  A few other links... (4.00 / 2)

    These are from diaries here at dKos, but they link to real stories:

    Sadly, there's plenty more where that came from...  (I'll try to post more here soon when I get time.)

    Social advance depends as much upon the process through which it is secured as upon the result itself. --Jane Addams

    by shock on Wed Nov 30, 2005 at 08:49:08 AM PDT

    •  Krauthammer on Torture (none / 1)

      It's sickening to read, but I did a diary on Charles Krauthammer and his justification of torture.  What really bothered me was that he was speaking on a nationally broadcast radio program and this was treated as a normal issue that deserved to be debated.

      Dialog macht Sinn / Dialogue makes sense

      by DowneastDem on Wed Nov 30, 2005 at 08:57:12 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  what can I do (none / 0)

    to be of more support here?

    Is someone asleep at the wheel in the editor's department?

    Why are there disappointingly few comments now?  

    Is DKos an index of this country, and if so, is this country asleep on its feet or what?

    Seriously, let me know what's "legal" on Dkos to be of support - email, develop side posts, whatever.  Thank you Chris for your excellent work here.

  •  sickening but valuable (none / 1)

    Superb work. Can this be set up to build, revise, add links for every item? I have a few items to add that come to mind. Here's one:

    Sept 16, 2005. Captain Ian Fishback writes to Senator John McCain suggesting that ``confusion'' about legality led to abuses including ``death threats, beatings, broken bones, murder, exposure to elements, extreme forced physical exertion, hostage-taking, stripping, sleep deprivation and degrading treatment.''

     

    deepblade cutting through the machinations of the u.s. empire

    by deepblade on Wed Nov 30, 2005 at 09:05:11 AM PDT

  •  The word 'thanks' is not adequate... (none / 0)

    ...for what you've done.

    There they are, each and every dot, along with the connections.

  •  What else is there to say? (none / 0)

    Maybe that is the reason for little comment here.  This is a very thorough resource I'v marked to return to easily.  Thanks for your work.

    Did anybody catch Rumsfeld's comments that "insurgents" was too polite a word to use about the Iraqi insurgency?  Now he suggests calling them "enemies of the ligitimate government of Iraq."  (Are there any existing Iraqi Freedom Fighters?)

    Of course, I still think the people who most want to terrorize and kill citizens happen to mostly live in Washington,D.C., but that's just me, right?

    ...do the elites...actually believe that society can be destroyed by anyone except those who lead them? - John Ralston Saul -

    by Silverbird on Wed Nov 30, 2005 at 09:45:39 AM PDT

  •  This morning Bush said (none / 1)

    that freedom is on the march.  If this is what happens when freedom marches, I don't want it anywhere near me.

    The disconnect from reality as the rest of the world sees it and they way the Bushites see it is quite frightening.  From the "man" who said that accountability and ethics were on their way back into the WH with Pres. Clinton leaving, the above is a disgusting display of his kind of values... values we'd all be better off without.

    Excellent diary.  It shames me as an American it has to exist.

  •  Thank you, Chris (4.00 / 2)

    I can't believe the lack of outrage either.  Mark Twain's United States of Lyncherdom says it best:

     

    It must be that the increase comes of the inborn human instinct to imitate--that and man's commonest weakness, his aversion to being unpleasantly conspicuous, pointed at, shunned, as being on the unpopular side. Its other name is Moral Cowardice, and is the commanding feature of the make-up of 9,999 men in the 10,000. I am not offering this as a discovery; privately the dullest of us knows it to be true. History will not allow us to forget or ignore this supreme trait of our character. It persistently and sardonically reminds us that from the beginning of the world no revolt against a public infamy or oppression has ever been begun but by the one daring man in the 10,000, the rest timidly waiting, and slowly and reluctantly joining, under the influence of that man and his fellows from the other ten thousands. The abolitionists remember. Privately the public feeling was with them early, but each man was afraid to speak out until he got some hint that his neighbor was privately feeling as he privately felt himself. Then the boom followed. It always does.

    This diary will help some Americans with their courage, I think.

    Are we still routinely torturing helpless prisoners, and if so, does it feel right that we as American citizens are not outraged by the practice? -Al Gore

    by soyinkafan on Wed Nov 30, 2005 at 10:11:09 AM PDT

  •  No one has any answers . (none / 1)

    Questions:

    How did we let this happen?
    It happened because the Supreme Court imposed Bush and his cronies on the U.S. and the Empire. People already knew he was a disturbed person (if not plain crazy) when he was the governor of Texas. Is it correct to think we let it happen? I can't say. It had already happened before anyone apart from the regime insiders knew about it. But Americans are not averse to violence. They're not the only ones.

    How did our leaders let this happen?
    Our leaders did not let this happen: they made it happen. This includes the Democrats who gave Bush the go ahead. Can you imagine, leading senators like Kerry and Clinton still cannot get their head around the idea that they've been screwed and that they're still screwing everyone else. They make it keep happening. I will never vote for a Democrat who supported the war.

    Are the soldiers who did this responsible, or ill?
    All the soldiers who did this bear differeng degrees of reponsibility, like all Americans and, I might add, the governments and citizens of the 'coalition of the willing' who made it possible for the U.S. regime to invade and occupy Iraq, especially the United Kingdom and its leader Mr Bliar. Some of the torturers are ill, like many of their leaders; some of them were simply afraid to disobey. Nevertheless no one can escape responsibility.

    What can we do about it?
    Keep fighting and publicizing the horror.

    The U.S. is fucked. That's the only conclusion I can come to when I see some one like John McCain, a man who underwent torture himself and publicly disavows the practice, suck up to Bush with his eye on the succession in 2008. Yes folks, that's what's going on. The Republican don't have bad motives and policies, they only had the misfortune of chosing a flawed candidate for president. President McCain will definitely do better. That's  the bill of goods we'll be sold by the WaPo, Dirty Gray Lady, Faux News and all the rest of the slime machine. Maybe by that that time Mrs. Greenspan will have decided to have plastic surgey on her brain. I won't count on it.

  •  In-your-face imagery is what counts (none / 1)

    The most effective part of the demo in front of the White House back in September, from my perspective as one of the arrestees, was the three guys dressed in orange jumpsuits with black hoods, tied to the White House fence.  

    Of course the US media did not show it. But anyone who saw it was changed.

  •  Awesome work. Even more links: (none / 1)

    Every citizen of the U.S. - no, the world - should see it.  Thank you.

    You might well want to add the references to credible torture confirmations from soldiers Ian Fishback, Greg Ford, and Tony Lagouranis, which can all be found in this diary from Monday.

    levity defies gravity

    by Levity on Wed Nov 30, 2005 at 10:45:27 AM PDT

  •  May, 2004 (4.00 / 3)

    In May of 2004, out of outrage and disgust, I collected a bunch of links about torture and sent them to my then-Republican mom as part of my ongoing attempts to persuade her not to vote for Bush.  (The title of my email was "A Few Bad Apples?")

    Your post reminded me of these.  Many of the links are expired, but I left them in because I know that there are ways to retrieve them from web archives.  What amazed me then, and continues to amaze me now, is how much stuff is out there on this topic if we look.  After all, these are what I collected on my own in less than a month of paying attention.  



    You're right.  There's not enough outrage about this!

    Social advance depends as much upon the process through which it is secured as upon the result itself. --Jane Addams

    by shock on Wed Nov 30, 2005 at 11:22:52 AM PDT

  •  The President ... (4.00 / 2)

    ...said we don't torture. End of story.

    I am an anti-imperialist. I am opposed to having the eagle put its talons on any other land. -- Mark Twain

    by Meteor Blades on Wed Nov 30, 2005 at 12:18:45 PM PDT

  •  it increasingly appears (none / 0)

    freedom means liberation from the strictures of conscience, in these guys' book;

    oh yes, and to get  up on their hind legs and moralise to the proles who..............pinch me....................suck it up.

    while they get royally screwed to boot.

    collective psychosis, dressed up as a mission from god.

    what god i don't even want to know, but he sure likes the taste of blood.

    how low o lord?

    why? just kos..... *just cause*

    by melo on Wed Nov 30, 2005 at 04:43:37 PM PDT

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